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Welcome to the Song Saloon I'm Jordan Smith Reynolds. Each episode I sit down with an artist and we talk about one of their songs. Today's guest is Taylor Sackson. Taylor sackson is an LA based artist with powerhouse vocals that cut her teeth in the greater Phoenix area. Welcome Taylor.
Hello. Thank you for having me.
Yes. Thanks so much for being here. And tell us a little bit about Liz, the song he brought on today.
Uh, so. Loaded question already, but Liz is a, uh, a song that I actually co-wrote with my aunt. Uh, we both lost some of our best friends, like way too young, a pretty close in, in time. And, um, I had been grieving the loss of my best friend for a very long time, and couldn't find the words for my grief. And my aunt just like sent me this poem that she wrote, it was like everything that I had, like needed to say and feel and resonate with.
I turned it into a song within probably like 15 minutes of getting it. And actually the recording of Liz is exactly what the demos sound like. It's the most like authentic song I've ever made because it was so not thought out. It was just word vomiting. Uh, and so just to be able to collaborate with family, which is so important to me, um, I just have a lot of love for this song, so I.
Wow, that's cool. And your aunt is a poet or.
She is a poet. Yeah. And, uh, she's never had her poems turned into a song, and I've never turned someone else's poetry into a song either. Um, so it was like a, a really cool learning experience for both of us.
Yeah. Is your aunt musical or do you have a lot of music in your family as well?
I actually don't, no. I mean, I have just, I grew up around a lot of music. I'm sure every musician says that. Um, but my, my dad took me to concerts every single week as a kid. Um, I grew up in Minneapolis and there was a thing called, uh, concerts in the park out there, and my dad would take me every single week to go see some type of different Genre of music.
So, um, no one in my family like plays an instrument or like really sings, but it's just been like the absolute core of like how I've bonded with my family throughout my whole life. So yeah.
Amazing. There's, there's a few Minneapolis artists out here in LA I know like Sonja Midtune, I think she's from that area and
Yeah, and I honestly don't know a lot of the names, but I've met a lot of people from there. But I, I'm from a lot of places. It's kind of like a running joke at this point. Like I was born in the up of Michigan. I dunno if you've ever heard of that. It's like the smallest little northern town. It's like about as north in the countries you can get. So I was born there, grew up in Minneapolis for a while, and then I actually lived in Phoenix until two years ago for like a large chunk of my life.
So I really like take ownership over a lot of those cities and states and um, it kind of is like collectively turned me into the person that I am. So yeah, I've been very lucky to like, feel like a lot of places are home and even LA I've only lived here for two years, but it absolutely has like turned into my home so, So, yeah, I feel, I feel just as raised by like the cities that I've been able to live in as I do like the people and the cultures and stuff.
Wow. With the, with the different places you've lived in what was the reason for moving around so much?
My, both of my parents and all of their families are just from like the north, northern parts of the US and my parents always wanted to come out to California. That was like their dream. And so moving to Arizona from Minnesota was like a stepping stone to get out there. And then The recession happened and it unfortunately didn't happen for my parents, but now that I'm out here they drive out to as many shows as they can and it's, it's been really cool.
I actually just moved to Glendale like two days ago from Long Beach and,
Oh, you're in Long Beach.
me. I was in
I'm there right now.
You're no way.
have done this there.
to drop your address, but Yeah. But I, yeah, I lived in downtown Long Beach for a few years and so, um, my parents came out and helped me move over here, and they're just like the most supportive humans ever. They're a huge part of. My story, I don't know. And a lot of people, I mean, I don't really think as much out here, but a lot of people like get embarrassed to have their parents with them places, and I think it's fucking awesome. So I'm very lucky.
So as you can tell, family is incredibly important to me. So
Yeah. That's great. And Phoenix is where they're at right now. You said your family is kind of based
my whole family is kind of spread out throughout the whole country. But my immediate family's in Phoenix,
Cool. We just had Jules LaMontia on the show her episode should come out Before this she goes by Btchcraft for her artist's name? She plays in Phoenix every once in a while. She's kind of living both in Phoenix and LA right now.
Cool. Yeah. Very cool. I love, I love playing in Phoenix. I think I just, Phoenix was awesome and it served its purpose in my life. And I was ready for. Just a fresh start, you know, I, I started my music career in Phoenix and I played with just about every musician in Phoenix, and it was a great time. And it was also like the hardest time of my whole life. I was in a band with like a rigid five people did the whole, you know, band thing under a band name and all that.
And, um, as a woman working with only men and one group in, you know, a very different mindset type town like Phoenix. I just, I love Phoenix because it taught me everything I know about the music business.
But I also, um, was very excited to start fresh out in la and it's, you know, everything just like totally served it's purpose trying to be as PC as possible, but, um, but yeah, so it's, it's just been really cool to just go back to Phoenix and visit and play a show for the people that have always supported me. You know, and then come home after.
Yeah. going from a band to a live, like to your own solo performance stuff, I imagine that was quite a transition.
when I was in a band under a different band name, other than just mine, I was still doing all of the work and other people were reaping the benefits of the weight that I pulled. And the organization that I did, you know, and, now like I get the credit for everything I'm doing, and I also have control over the songwriting, you know, which is really important to me. And I love to collaborate with people. But the key word there is like collaborating, you know?
Was definitely not the best situation for me. It was not the healthiest situation of personalities and stuff like that. And so I've sort of come out here and I've just been like rebelling against what I grew up with and it's been so fun to just meet somebody at a show, like someone like you and you know, and then just be like, Hey, like let's do this together. And it's a very like, easygoing. Thing, you know?
And so, like, even, I don't dunno if you've heard of like Silver Lake Jams but that's something I did like this time last year. And I met James the eighth, who's a fantastic singer songwriter, but he actually like, plays lead guitar for me at like all of my shows now, you know? And so I, yeah, I just, I love to meet people at shows and just be like, I have a a little bit of extra money. Can I hire you to play for me at the, at the mint next week?
Or, you know, and, and so that's been really, really freeing and awesome for me to just like, play with people. 'cause we're all excited about it and not because we feel like we have to, if that makes any sense. But it also is incredibly expensive that way, as I'm sure you know, is also, you know, a, an artist. It's pulling all of the weight is like really exhausting, but it also is like quadruple the amount of rewarding. So it always works out.
But I'm, I'm still learning how to be a solo artist, so.
Yeah, I mean, obviously yeah, the control is the best part of it. 'cause you can control every aspect of your artistry and that is
It's also the worst part because there are some times where you're just like, I would love if someone else talked to the owner of this venue. Like I would love if someone else would like tell everybody what we should wear. I don't fucking know what we should wear to the show. I don't know. Like, you know, and so there, there's times, Most of the time I'm thrilled to pull all of that weight. But there are times of course, that I'm like, I don't love to do everything I do have a manager.
And that has been a godsend. It's kind of like the same thing. It's like someone who cares just as much about your art and is not trying to take away from your ideas and just wants to like, nurture your artistry, you know, and like help you. Build its platform. So that's been nice. I can be like, can you please help me? This, sound guy's being a dick.
Can you please help me go talk to, you know, so especially as a woman, like having a male manager that is extremely respectful of like me and my craft has been just a lifesaver.
And who's your manager?
his name is Ollie.
Shout out to
a good, he's a good boy. Yeah. Yeah. I think, and, and again, sorry to derail this here, but it's a bummer to sometimes have to like literally get a man to go express your needs for you 'cause people aren't listening. But also amazing to just like have somebody in your corner that also isn't taking away from the work that you've put in. Do you get what I'm saying?
Yeah. I.
It's like having a band member. But they're not telling you how to write a poem, so, so, yeah.
Yeah, I've been thinking a lot more about the team around the music. And that's something that I, I definitely wanna work on developing as well, because I'm feeling pretty stretched thin on, on all those different things, so
Totally. And honestly, having a manager has quadrupled my workload in a good way because it's like somebody who's like finding things that maybe I couldn't find on my own, you know? So it's, I'm still doing way more than I was two years ago, but just knowing that if I really needed help, they're there, you know, and they can, like, we can bounce ideas off of each other and things like that, so I can't recommend it enough.
And, You seem like a very hardworking person, so I'm sure that you would be down for extra work if it means you're getting to do what you love and things feel like they're progressing, you know?
Yeah. Yeah. I think most of it is just not knowing exactly what would be the best step next, you know? 'cause you have finite amount of time and figuring out how to spend that. It's so much help. More helpful when you have someone in your corner, like you were saying, that is able to help kind of point you in those directions.
And how to navigate too. Like what to prioritize, you know, like, do I really need PR for this release or should I really focus that money on like touring two, two to three cities? You know, like just sort of like I. Bouncing off, like how to spend money is the big one because I don't have money. So when I have an extra $20, I'm like, should this go towards this cable or should I put this towards the tour pot? You know?
So yeah, I, I, I just, I love having the control of all of my creativity, but getting to release some of the control to somebody that I trust. So that's been life changing for sure.
That's awesome. And I know we kind of went past the song I want to bring it back now. Um, yes, we have a live performance that we actually prerecorded for this. Yes, let's go ahead and jump to that now and we'll we'll talk about it after.
Great. Thank you.
Awesome. Thanks so much for that. That was great. Tell us, so you mentioned your aunt had written this poem for this song. How much of this is the poem?
The whole thing. I
The whole thing? Whoa.
nothing. There was no stands as I deleted, that's what I'm saying, like she sent me the poem via like a notes screenshot, maybe something like that, some sort of file. I opened it and I instantly heard the melody in my head and things like that. Don't always happen to me. I don't know about you, but I am like very much like a black and white. I either have full writer's block for weeks or I pump songs out. Like I'm like, I'm a fucking unicorn. And there's no in between.
And honestly, the writer's block, like it can be a lot longer than weeks. There's some times like months where I haven't written a song and. Learning to feel normal and okay with that. But when she sent me that poem, I was, I just instantly heard the song in my head and I made a voice memo of it while I was actually driving went home and figured out the chords for it. And yeah, I didn't, I, I did not change anything from the day that I wrote it.
Wow. It seems so well built for music. Was was there stuff that you didn't like flip anything around or anything? The lines, it was just,
No,
Wow.
that's exactly how it was sent. Yeah, it was. It was a very magical little time. And my aunt and I have been very close ever since. So it's not, it's not something I would always do because I love to figure out through my own poetry how I'm feeling. This was a really specific thing that I could not figure out how to verbalize. 'cause there's nothing. In the world, like a best friend dying, there's just no way to explain it. Like everyone's parent is going to die. Everyone's going to die.
But when you're young and somebody that like is so important to you and like should be limitless and infinite, like you, you know, is no longer around, there's just no way to explain it. Especially, I lost my best friend when I was 17 and um, When her friend also had passed, unfortunately was also a woman. she had written this within like a few months. And so it was just a really cool way to be validated in how I felt.
And as soon as I read the poem, I was like, I think more people than we know feel this way because it could be about. A sibling, it could be about anybody. Like we all have experienced loss in some capacity on some sort of spectrum, and it's a very complex and difficult thing. So, so yeah, I was very, I was very, I just felt very inspired as soon as I read her poem,
the melody is, is so great for the chorus especially. I think just sitting up there on that top, And I think the idea of who's gonna hold me accountable now as kind of like the, the call for that. Yeah.
It, it hurts. It totally hurts. Yeah. And 'cause it's things like that, it's like little tasks in your life that somebody else picks up. You know? Like whether you're a codependent person or not. Like we rely on our community in some capacity, you know? And our community is like, what keeps us in check, whether you're. You know, intending on that or not, you know, like everybody's going to this show on Friday. It's like, you know what? I should probably go show face.
But like if the people that you normally do that with all of a sudden are not there, it's like, what? Why are you getting outta bed? Like, what's the reason? You know? I just don't think people realize, even if you're the most introverted human alive, like how reliant on collaboration we are, if that makes any sense.
True. I also really love the buried that bone in the yard with my vow. It's just such a great image, man. Yeah, I love it.
I, she's crazy. She is a very, very, very talented poet and yeah.
And you said there's, um, there's artistry in your family, less music, but there's more kind of poetry kind of stuff, or what, what else have you seen in your family?
Yeah. In my family on both sides, no matter how. Related or unrelated, we are, if you understand what I'm saying, you have like second cousins that you see all the time and you love 'em, but like you're not really that related. Um, but, but like every single person that I am related to is a fucking character. Like they're the most specific niche. Interesting. Could be a movie about the person. And I love it so much.
And so I think that's kind of what I mean by that, where like maybe they don't play an instrument but they are the funniest person on the planet, or they really, really love this like one specific niche thing and that's like their personality, you know? So I think that like, I think that they all have that artist mindset, if that makes sense. Because they're just such individuals, which is really cool. nobody, yeah, and I don't really know why, like, or how that happened.
But they're just very, very authentic people, which I am so grateful to have grown up around.
Yeah,
yeah.
yeah. That is really unique. That's awesome.
I don't know how to explain it. And I've never really like verbalized that before, so I don't think I'm doing a good job. But if you met, like if you just sat around a table with my family on any holiday, you'd be like, yeah, I would watch a show about that person. Like tomorrow, no problem. Like, just for just Weirdies. And I, I don't know. So I think I just have kind of taken things from all of them and just turned into like a little collection of all of them.
Yeah, so I don't really know where specifically like my musicianship comes from, but I think it's just so happens to be my thing and my family, my niche thing in my family. So,
Yeah. I also really love that you kind of instinctively conflated, like being an artist with being honest and like living in an honest
Yeah.
That's, that's really cool.
it's like, like I have a cousin who just like loves sharks so much, could tell you anything about sharks and it's like that. I don't, I don't know why, but I just think like that's just cool. You just like, I. You know what you like and you're rigid in it in a good way. And yeah, they're just very, very authentic people. So yeah, I strive to be like them.
Mm-hmm. Yeah, and I strongly believe that's what makes great art, you know, is, is living in that way. That's really cool.
Thank you.
Yeah. So with Minneapolis, did you spend much time in the music scene there, or is it mostly Phoenix that you,
No, I left Minneapolis when I was about six or seven, so I don't, I, I have a lot of memories from there 'cause I remember way too much of my childhood. But I feel so connected to there because I. That's where like we would go escape and like spend all of our extra time that we could, we would go visit family out there. So I have a lot of like really good memories up there. But Phoenix is where I like really developed as a person. And grew up and learned everything about music.
In Phoenix, I again was in a band for how way too long and There's a thing called, um, Alice Cooper's Proof is in the pudding out there. It's like a battle, battle of the bands. And I got affiliated with that group and ended up like opening for Alice a lot and like singing with him and stuff like that. So I really actually credit a lot of my knowledge and appreciation and admiration for this industry from like Alice. And just like watching how he.
Always supported everybody, whether they were above him or below him, which he would never say they are. He just like wanted there to be like such a vast and like healthy community around him, where everybody felt safe. And so I think that like, that's something I've taken with me to LA is, you know, you could be the best singer on the planet or you could be the best songwriter on the planet. And it does not matter if you're not a good hang and you don't make people feel something, you know?
And so I always try out here to just like build a community as much as I can, you know? It's another reason I was really excited to move a little closer to the city just to keep building that community. I think LA is like a really amazing place if you reap the benefits of. Building a healthy community, you know? So, yeah, I don't know if that makes any sense, but everything I learned in Phoenix was really through Alice Cooper.
As weird as that sounds, and I'm just trying to take what I've learned from him and build a mu on a much smaller scale, build something like that out here. You know, where it doesn't matter how many fucking followers you have, like. Let's be friends, let's help each other, you know? 'cause my success has absolutely nothing to do with anybody else. And vice versa, you know? And a lot of us are transplants. Most people are not born and raised in LA that are musicians out here, you
Sure.
So we need each other, you know, if your car fucking breaks down, like, I will help you. 'cause your mom probably doesn't live here and you can't borrow her car. You know? And then if I ever. Need help 'cause my bass player canceled last minute. Like, you can come, maybe we can exchange those things, you know, like we just like have to nurture each other out here. Or it's a not as pleasant experience, I think.
Absolutely. Yeah. Community is huge and I think that's so important to foster with that like, Especially with the musicians in the community. What I wanna ask you is what, what success as an artist looks like to you? Because I think Silver Lake Jams is a great example. These great artist communities like House Concert series and things where I've started developing a nice network of artists and friends.
And then if you're looking at success as like a financial thing that's hard to do when all your friends are broke musicians, right? So what do you think about that? Where's the balance? And what does success look like? So there's kind of two, two questions.
Yeah. No, I love that question because I actually like reflect on that all the time. I have learned the best thing for me is to define my own success by setting one goal at a time. Instead of being like, I need to win a Grammy. Like, whatever, we all fucking want a Grammy duh, you know? But instead minus like, you know, I really wanna go on a tour of some sort, just my music, and I'll see what I wanna do after that.
And so for like a year, I've just been like working really hard on developing the finances and also the mean, like the reason to go on a tour and to figure out and learn everything about that. And I'm finally going on tour this year on my own. It's a indie tour. It's, you know, it's a lot of work. And I feel really super proud of myself and very satisfied by that, you know, and I'm gonna sit in that and be happy with that. 'cause I worked so hard to get here.
And if you would've told me that 10 years ago, I wouldn't have believed you. And when I get back from tour, I'm gonna figure out what the next thing was. You know, when I first moved here, all I wanted to do was to just like play the Troubadour. I was like, if I could just play the Troubadour someday, I think I could die happy. I don't care, you know? And I got to play the Troubadour last year and then after that I was like, I think I wanna go on my own tour.
And a year later, you know, it happened. I really. I think that manifestation is so real. You set intention for what you want, you put it out there, it will happen, but you have to be very slow and graceful with it. And so I, to answer your question, what I've noticed successes is just coming to terms with like what is tangible for you, even with a lot of hard work. Just being proud of yourself. Like, all I want is to just be proud of myself, you know?
I'm not gonna ever be a TikTok star 'cause I don't fucking want to, I'm not gonna be an overnight success 'cause I don't want to. So I am instead defining my success by figuring out what my steps are to get to where I want to go. And honestly, I dunno where I want to go with music. And I don't have a plan and I don't care. I would love. Of course to not have to also work full-time on top of doing music full-time.
I would love to insure my band, that's like my biggest dream is to like get a band on a big tour and give them all health insurance, because that's my dream, you know? And so it's like, I don't know, I think the dreams are crushed by yourself, purely by putting pressure on them and setting an expectation.
Follow up question to that. What do you do when you're in between steps? So when you feel like you, you haven't quite figured out that next step to go to. So I think, you know, Troubadour, then tour, those are some really great solidly defined steps.
Like how do you choose the steps?
Yeah, how do you choose the steps? 'cause I think a lot of artists get really overwhelmed and, uh, discouraged when they can't define what that next thing is, that they need to be working for.
I think mine have always been gut feelings, but I, I think I were to like quantify it. I would say to look at someone who has maybe like 50% more of a following than you, right. Of like real authentic. Followers and people who are like, not, you know, fucking Adele level, but like people who are making the right moves and just not, not climbing up to that, but to just sort of be inspired, but like by how they got there.
So even if it wasn't the same venue, it's like maybe the same venue size, even if it's not like the same tour stopped, it's maybe the same tour length, you know, like just like. Again, we are nothing without the people around us. Like it. You can be the most individual person on the planet, but you have to like come to terms with like taking inspiration from other people and like I think that that maybe really could be the root of what I do.
It's like, oh, that would make sense to be the next thing because this person slowly built their way up and that's what they did. So for me, I think like after I go on my own tour, I actually really would love to be signed. And that's something I've never wanted before. But I think I could use the extra help and I think I would love to go on a tour with someone who has a similar following and, you know, fan base is like, I could develop someday.
So, I dunno if that makes sense, but I think that that's just like the clearest thing for me is just like picking like something that's just 10% more conventionally successful than what I'm currently doing and making sure it actually sounds fun to me. Like I have no desire, again, to be this like amazing recording artist or this social media star. Like none of my goals are in those capacities. All of mine are pretty much live performance based. 'cause it's like my favorite thing on the planet.
So like, as you'll see the pattern, I wanted to play the Troubadour and then I want to go on a little tour and then I want to get signed so I can go on a little bit of a bigger tour, but also pay for it, you know? So I don't, I guess I don't know how to like, again, quantify that, but it makes sense to me.
Yeah, no, thank you. That's, it's a really hard process to define is obviously gonna be individual for each artist. But I
Yeah, your, your path shouldn't look like someone else's, but it's probably gonna have to be a little similar, you know? So take inspiration from other people, but don't copy other people,
Right. Yeah. So, and I think you bringing up that you're very live performance based is really helpful because other artists listening to this might think, you know, that's not really their path. They're more of the recording person, and so you can make something very similar down that
You shouldn't need to spend the only little money you have on a tour if you don't love to perform live. You should spend that money on PR and get, or a music video, you know, and like say I wanna have next year my own high budget music video. Or I wanna, hi, and this time next year I wanna release an N EP and be able to pay for like a PR team for that, you know? And so just pick like what kind of a category of an artist you are and then take inspiration from that is probably what I would say. We
Wonderful.
have to know, again, you have to know yourself like nothing and will work ever if you do not know yourself through and through. And that. That isn't even music related. You gotta go to fucking therapy and you have to do the inner work, and you have to know like who you are without goals attached to that at all. You know, like, are you doing this because there's, because you love like the attention of it, you know? And like, that's how you feel that is valid. You know?
So maybe social media is like a great thing for you. Same with live performing. Like what kind of like, Attention seeking benefits you in this industry? You know, is it like, do you love it on this tangible phone or do you love the feeling of an audience or do you love the feeling of like, vibing with, you know, a producer, like all of us are attention seeking, all of us, whether we can admit it or not. So like how, where, where do you feel the best and why? And how did you get there?
And when you were a kid, is this what you saw yourself doing? If not, Is this really what you want? You know, there's just so many, there's just so many little things, and I think it all takes inner work.
Yeah.
I don't think I'd be where I was if I didn't know myself as well as I do. Um, and that's a pretty recent thing. That is, that is not an overnight thing at all. So,
Good. So plug for therapy. There you go.
Yes. Yes.
to know yourself.
you see all of these like artists that like are just broken people and they're miserable and they finally made it and they don't love it. And that's because they were not mentally ready for success. You have to make sure, 'cause this is, you know, this is not This is a huge sacrifice. You know, like my parents, my grandparents, my family's all getting older seven hours away in another state. I'm choosing to be away from them intentionally because I love this more than I love anyone or anything.
And I'm sorry to say it, but it's the truth. There's nothing more important to me than music. It's why I'm on the this planet. I, first of all, my family knows me very well. That doesn't hurt their feelings, but it's like you have to figure out why you're on the planet. And if music is not why you were on this planet, you should probably pick something else. 'cause it is fucking draining.
If not, you know, like, so I think that's kind of where I'm going with that is just like, when you know yourself, you'll know what, you'll have that intuition of what your little steps should be, you know?
Thank you. I think it's really important for, for an artist to hear in any category, songwriting, you know any, any
I think we can admit too that like it's okay to say that you love this more than anything and I think a lot of people are like, I don't know. I really love like my significant other, and I really, I love my boyfriend. More than I've ever loved a person in my whole life, but I choose this over anything. You know? And like, that's hard and that's hard for the people around me. And that's hard for me. And it makes things like emotionally impossible.
But you know, it's, I, I think a lot of people just have to come to terms with like, How important this is to you and like how serious to take it, you know? And if you don't love this more than other things, like that also is okay. You know? But again, it's just inner work.
That's awesome. So where can we find you like on, on social media and all that? You said not TikTok, are you on TikTok? You just don't care about
You know, I had, I have a TikTok and I very, very nonchalantly made a TikTok, making fun of the Kardashians and it went very viral. So I don't put anything else on there and um, oh my God. And so pretty much all I use is Instagram. I. Fucking hate social media. And so Instagram is the one that I'm like in the routine of using. And so that's just like where I'm the most reliable.
It's not that I have anything against other platforms, it's just I'm, I have terrible A D H D. So Instagram is definitely the best place to find me.
Awesome.
and yeah.
Cool. What can we be looking for from you in the, in the future? I know you mentioned a tour you'll be on probably in the middle of this being released.
Yeah. So I'll have toured in July. Throughout the country. I went to Indianapolis and Nashville and Phoenix and just drove across the country. And then coming up, I'm actually playing in Minneapolis and Fargo with Jessica Vines. Who is someone that you've interviewed before. The luckiest guy ever. She's the sweetest so her and I are like, Picking up some tour dates together actually up there, which will be really fun 'cause we both have family in both of those places.
It'll be good to go play a city I've never played before. Um,
right. She's from Fargo.
Yeah, she's from Jessica's from here, but she lived in Fargo for a long time and so. And so I have family that has lived there forever, that has been dying to see a show because I'm again, so lucky that they give a shit. And then I have family and friends in Minneapolis and there's a few people for some reason, like I have people who stream some of my songs up there, so I just thought it'd be cool to go meet those people. so,
yeah.
yeah.
I love that. Well, thank you so much for being on the show today and for sharing Liz. I think it's a really special song and, loved hearing the story behind it.
Thank you. It's, this has been so fun. I appreciate your patience with me and uh, thanks for reading the poem of Liz and actually like reading it and analyzing it and caring, so I am very grateful.
Of course. Yeah. Thanks. I'm, I'm excited to follow your music too. So this was, it was great to meet you.
Likewise. Thank you so much.
All right. Thanks. We'll see ya. Bye.