The Big Brew & A: Part 1

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us since twenty two thousand and eight. Yeah. I know many of you listening are as well, so thank you for your tireless support. Our first question, our first questions come to us Curtis EJ and Brad via Patreon over averballers dot com. EJ wants to know what is Wisconsin's ceiling with Luke Fikele and Brad wants to know what made Luke Fickle the right choice at Wisconsin over Jim Leonard. This felt like Leonard's to lose. I'm not convinced he

did anything during his interim time to lose it. So two questions there bundled together with respect to Luke Fickle. Of course, Luke Fickle announced as the next head football coach at Wisconsin. It's a big deal. It's a big hire.

I'm not going to say it's a shock higher. But we had been led to believe for a good long time that there were only a handful of schools Luke Fickle might leave Cincinnati four, one being obviously Ohio State, another maybe Notre Dame, but all within that big ten footprint, right, That was sort of what we came away believing after the turmoil of last last season in the coach in carousel world. So Luke Fickle has now decided to take

this job, Dan, what makes him the right choice? And what's his ceiling?

years with his success at Cincinnati. I thought about Chris Peterson right waiting for the right place, you know, had talked to usc that was interesting, Ucla, Stanford, all over the place, the SEC, and he wanted something that fit him, and so he ends up at Washington, and so I think his recruiting ceiling probably isn't as high as Chris Peterson and what he was able to accomplish at Washington because there's just a limited number of recruiting powers out west,

and so Washington was able to take advantage. What Luke Fickle brings to Wisconsin should be better recruiting than where they were under Paul Christ. Probably similar defensive ceiling, which is to say excellent, full on excellent. The difference being Cincinnati seemed to be more of a transferred destination for Big Ten schools for guys who didn't work out for

whatever reason. Obviously we saw Jerome four coming from Alabama, and the other difference is the best of Desmond Ritter can be attributed to whatever extent to being developed to a playoff caliber quarterback, something we haven't seen from Wisconsin.

So I think of it is my opinion that Luke Fickle is a more modern head coach than Paul Christ was, for better or worse, because there were a lot of old school things that you know, we can sort of harangue about if that's the correct There's a lot of very old school things in terms of keeping roster together, in terms of you know, not playing players until they were ready, and it really showed with success that Wisconsin had under Paul Christ in the trenches for a long time.

What I think Luke Fickle will do and what I think his ceiling is is sort of I think what it was for Mark d Antonio at Michigan State right place, right time, right defense, if I've Michigan or Penn State or Ohio State is sort of floundering a bit. And so that's where we were with Penn State when Mark Dantonio was there, and to a lesser extent, Michigan when Jim Harbaugh was relatively new, or when it was Brady

Hope Michigan Right place, right time. Wisconsin can go from a ceiling of Big Ten championship game, but we're now going divisionless, which makes it a little trickier for a school like Wisconsin. I think he can get Wisconsin right place, right time, to a every so often lightning in a bottle late season playoff conversation. If things break right, we're

talking about a playoff coach. We're talking about a coach who has used lesser talent to beat Notre Dame on the road, who has developed high level NFL talent, and with the recruiting connections he has in the Midwest. I do not think it's unfair for Wisconsin fans to expect competing for the Big ten crown every so often and being a double digit program, doubled win program right more often than not.

So with so many pieces already in place, the programs, I think at a relatively good spot, it helps to have the bones of a good defense, which they do have now as a starting point somewhat not as much, but not as much as before, but still it's not starting from scratch here. I think he makes them competitive more competitive right away. It may take some time to get the right skill guys in place, but I think this is a slam dunk higher over the long haul.

And to the question that Brad was asking, why not Jim Leonard, I think that is the that is the point there. Yeah, Luke Fickle's done this for a while. Luke Fickle has I've got his record here. Has been very successful, to say the least, fifty seven in eighteen as a head football coach. But eight of those losses came in year one when he was starting over, right when he was basically starting over. So this is a guy who's proven that he can build a program, that

he can do it over the long haul. Jim Leonard will probably could probably do that for somebody else, but Luke Fickle is much more of a known quantity at this.

at Cincinnati. And so, what I expect for Wisconsin on the recruiting trail is for Luke Fickele to be tireless in the state of Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, wherever talent is in the Midwestern footprint and continue to you know, you know, Wisconsin has had success. You know, Graham Mertz is from Kansas. I believe they've gone outside of the

Midwestern footprint to recruits somewhat. But if there was a criticism of Paul Christ near the end that didn't have to do with the offense and lack of improvement and development of receivers, et cetera, et cetera, It was that recruiting was not taken as seriously as the teams Wisconsin positions itself against in Madison. And so I think that has already changed. That changed the second Luke Fickle and that plane touchdown in Madison. Yeah, I mean, let's forget

about the ceiling for a second. If I could, at a minimum, I don't think you have to.

With Luke Fickley's that kind of coach. You will absolutely see that improvement on offense as well, because Fickle has shown in his time at Cincinnati that he can adapt to the personnel. We saw him do it this season right immense turnover on offense. They it wasn't as good of an offense, but it was still very very reputable and still very very solid, and still very much of

the conversation for the best group of five team. I don't think it bears repeating, but part of the problem with the Paul Christ offense is that it was very rigid and pretty stubborn. So just marginal improvements on that front on offense make Wisconsin a much much better team, certainly within the Big Ten West. Now as it stands, I know that's going away, but Fickle will improve that side of the ball ever so gradually, and I think that's what will ultimately raise that floor, make the ceiling

more attainable for the Wisconsin Badgers. I also think, and we didn't mention this, this strikes the perfect balance between one needing new blood and two not sacrificing your identity

to get it. I agree. Luke Fickle feels to me like he's that happy medium where it's more of a firmware upgrade as opposed to a full on new operating system, which is really what you want when you're going after a new head coach, someone that feels like your program but isn't going to go so drastically in a different direction that it's going to be new and different and it's going to take a while to actually see the results of it. So I love the hire. I think it's a slam dunk, as do I.

has been this run of coaches. I guess Gary Anderson exempted, I forget, but I don't think he was at Wisconsin on any level, meaningful level before, you know, jumping from

Utah State to Wisconsin. But obviously Brett Bielham as a defensive coordinator at Wisconsin, Paul crist As an offensive coordinator at Wisconsin that the romantic Wisconsin guy move would be to elevate Jim Leonard, and I don't think Wisconsin was against it, but I think they probably needed to be told no by Luke Fickle and maybe somebody else before saying, okay, let's roll the dice. This guy understands, you know, what works, what doesn't work, the culture whatever at Wisconsin. But if

you are the Badgers. Not to say Jim Leonard would have been settling because he got to audition for the role, and I'm sure he ingratiated himself really well to those in power there. But if you if you see yourself as a team competing for Rose Bulls, which Wisconsin should you owe it to go for the biggest names who will listen and sit in a room with you. You owe it to the fan base, you owe it to the program. And I think it's going to work.

I feel about Hugh Freeze? So this is a different conversation altogether when we talk about Hugh Freeze, much like this episode, there are football elements and non football elements that we need to consider here. On the football field, Hugh Freeze has gone eighty three and forty three and ten seasons. It's pretty good. Notably, he's had one losing season out of those ten. I believe his last season when he was in Oxford before things fell apart at

Old Miss. He's a pretty good football coach. I don't view this as something that makes Auburn as a sudden threat in the SEC SEC West because the West is a lot harder now than it was when he left. But he's a good football coach. He's a good football coach. The numbers would bear that out off the field. Off the field, Look, I can't tell you how to feel there. Right, he was run out of Ole Miss for recruiting violation.

to his social media account before accepting the job. They also needed to consult with a pr person before making the higher, So of course, again there's a duality there. There's two things going on at once. There is the on field stuff, which for sure has been successful. There's

the off field stuff, which is definite baggage. Personally, if we're talking about the low risk nature of the Luke Fickle higher, personally, I don't think the Hugh Freeze risk is worth taking because Auburn has had two years of relative instability now preceded by what three years of more

instability in a sense of uncertainty. Let's say when they finally got rid of Gus Valson, they knew they wanted to get rid of them, but it's the will they won't They think that took forever until it finally came to fruition. Now they're high and a guy who they're obviously banking on him cleaning up his act, but they did have to hire the PR person to tell them how to feel first and what to do in light

of the announcement. On some level, there is the Taylor Swift Jake Gillenhall knowing somebody is trouble before they walk in. And I'm not saying people don't deserve second chances, Dan, but I'm just saying that Auburn does not feel like the program, given where it's been lately, that should take that risk at this moment. So, Kelsey, I can't tell you how to feel, but if it were me, I wouldn't be pleased.

they'd win ten or eleven games every year. Yeah, and so that's the deal you make because you know, Urban Meyer is that good of a college football coach, or at least we believe that to still be the case.

of those things. But off the field, and the fact remains that Auburn I'll reiterate this with the social media stuff, with whatever, It's clear that Hugh Freeze does not have a command in a daily sense of being a grown up. And this is already a place that has difficulties behind the scenes with power struggles and with who's making decisions and paying attention to perhaps the wrong boosters to make big decisions or have sway. And now you're throwing this

little cherry bomb into the mix. Yeah, I know that Laane Kiffen was their first choice. And it's very clear that Auburn is not a place a lot of good coaches want to continue their career and continue to build. That much is clear, and that much has come to pass over these past few years where they have to go so far outside of you know, the SEC universe and hiring Brian Harson and Jean Chizy all these guys, Gus finally made sense for them.

come back to what you said for Hugh Freeze. It's one thing of it's Urban Meyer, right, Hugh Freeze. We're gonna We're gonna do this for Hugh Freeze.

cachet in Iowa City. I don't think Matt Rule is if, like if Penn State opens up in a year or two, because that's the thing that everybody's pointing to, that that's the dream job, that's the dream gig.

jump after a year or two to Penn State. Maybe four or five years, sure, But I think it's more likely that Matt Rule has given such a long leash and such an opportunity to rebuild the roster and rebuild the culture that I'm a believer in that Nebraska is such a believer given that deal, that I would say it's likely or because I don't even Matt Rule is getting any NFL attention anytime soon, No, that it's a Kirk Farren's retirement before me believes Lincoln.

longer than five years. I think Matt Rule will have an opportunity if he wants to to leave for State College. The Kirk Farens thing. You know, maybe I just live too long through the Joe Paterno era, right, if we separate out sort of the scandalous aspects of Paterno and how he eventually departed Penn State, there was a good long time even before that, when you had this this

fissure in a sense within the Penn State community. The people who loved Joe Paterno and didn't want him to ever leave, and then the people who were like enough of this already. We're running up the middle. Every play. The offense is the same as it's been for the last twenty years. Something's gotta change. Also, in that instance, we had what, at least on the surface, for a brief moment in a time, looked like a succession plan handing it off to his son, which again went bust.

That did not work with Jay Paterno. So there's a lot of similarity again on a on one level, right one very specific level, between Ference and the way things went down at at Penn State with Paterno right in the late stages of his career. I just think that Farence is so much the honorary governor of the state that he's only going to leave on his terms whenever he sees fit. It's going to be really hard to

push him out. And knowing that there is already this track record with Matt rule not staying in one place for too long, I think it's one hundred percent Matt rule is the answer here, one hundred percent Matt rule. Howl is Kirk Farence. I don't know. He's not thirty, he's not thirty.

But here's what I'd say about Matt Rule. If we're looking at track record, the track record for Rule has been that he's been terrible in each of his previous two college jobs. In the first season m h and then he followed it up with a five hundred campaign, and then he followed it up with ten wins or more. So it's pretty quick turnaround. He's definitely got this track record for doing a really good job within three years. The difference, I think is that Nebraska's in a much

better place than both Temple and Baylor. Baylor was decimated after Art Briles, and Temple sucked all the time, all the time. With the estion who did he take over for? Did he take over for? Al Goldie? Who did he jump in for I don't recall the exact state of affairs, but he was like one and eleven his first year right at Temple. It was a really bad season. So my only point here with this is that Nebraska is not Temple, It's not Bailor. There is more talent here.

I took a look at the schedule in twenty twenty three. They could go six and six with that, they go seven and five, but I think it's gettable and there's a lot of things that needs to fill in and improve in very short order. But he can absolutely go five hundred with that schedule next year. So I think it's doable. I don't think they're going to go two

and ten. I think it's doable Keston. But you know, obviously it's it's very early days here in the rural era at Nebraska, and you know, we need to see who's playing quarterback. We need to see what he's what he's going to bring to bear with respect to coordinators and so on and so forth. Well, okay, so first of all, it was Steve A. Dazio for two years.

of three years of portals. But we're already seeing big names, are already big name rumors, so I can only imagine the medium names and the little names are going to be vast as well. Nebraska needs to be a player in the portal every year for a while, and so depending on you know, we got to see who you mentioned quarterback, but the staff looks like and how active they are and filling in gaps. You know a lot

of teams and I even know my team. I think took two defensive linemen from Nebraska last year and their defensive line coach. It's it's going to be different because, as we're seeing everywhere, with so much coach movement comes even more portal movement. And that doesn't always happen right away. Sometimes a lot of that roster will give the new guy a year and say all right, this isn't the

place for me. This guy didn't recruit me whatever. So I almost think year one might be better than the year two, that there's going to be so much, so much change. But no, I think if you can build a defense and you can build a little bit of depth through the portal, Nebraska should be bowling. If not, you're one year two.

The portal era is relatively new. You know, at least this much activity in the portal is only like two years old, right. This has not been a thing that's been with us all that long. I gotta say, as a fan of a program that we know going into next season is going to need a quarterback, all of these announcements about guys entering the portal are very, very exciting. I've never been more excited about the transfer portal than

I am right now as a Notre Dame fan. And that's a change for me because for so long, you know, it's been you kind of know who the next guy up is going to be. And even the Jack Cone thing, I'd be moaned Jack Cone, but Jack Cone is pretty good in retrospect. Hm, I gotta say, I'm very excited about all of these possibilities. I hope they can shoot higher than Kid McNamara.

sixty yards in Audston Stadium. It's exciting from a national perspective when you don't root for a team who loses or gains somebody important, right if you if you happen to root for a team whose roster is consistently gutted or at least the top of your roster is gutted or is almost gutted. It kind of sucks.

administrative perspective things are dealt with with the portal. Everybody sort of rushed to be pro player and say, well, of course they can play right away. They should have the freedom to move, coaches move. That's all all reasonable, that's all but and I don't want to say guard rails because I just think it's difficult to institute a

one rule applies to all type thing. But I wonder if we're going to see more and more conversations about, yes, all of this is good, you can transfer, but here's how that's going to work moving forward, right And be more specific, and I know you know that that conversation has come to nil and you know just how everything how the gears and pulleys should operate in a way that's beneficial to as many people as possible.

don't know. Here's my zag. Here's my zag. With the portal, I'm very excited to see who enters the transfer portal and where everything goes, where players go, where you know, who's the new coach that recruits super well out of the portal and or who's the guy that loses, you know, and a fifth of their roster to the portal something

like that. What if this is maybe a third bake, it's not even half baked, ty, What if we said yes, you can transfer, and you can go and you can play immediately, and you enter the portal and it's a more organized structure. What if it were one and done.

It's a little bit haul passy. And so then you're saying if you want to transfer after your freshman year, good luck, because then you're just gonna have to train for a year if you think your NFL quality, and maybe there's exceptions if your coach leaves or something like that. I think, but that to me is interesting, not punishing players for transferring on the front end, but just saying

here is what your eligibility window now looks like. Yeah, I mean I want to transfer with immediate, immediate eligibility.

Power five level. And it sucks, right, and you know, we don't have to have to bemoan that more than we have to. But that's just that's where things are headed. And so make sure you your bases if you like the sport, is what I'm saying. Yeah, look, maybe it's two years. Maybe you get two years, maybe you get one year. I don't know though. Man, all right, let's go over to Adam on Twitter. Did Dabo try and

fail to outdo Shane at Beamer Ball? A couple unusual for Clemson special teams plays that backfired see a kickoff return huddle fumble and the EJ. Pochkick touchback came off as arrogant and helped South Carolina win the game. So was Dabo trying to be too cute in that thirty one to thirty loss in the Palmetto Bowl against South Carolina. Dan, I don't know. I think part of it is you save trick plays for big games. Yeah right.

don't look at it as arrogant. I just look at it as failed. Right that if that little huddle you know who has the ball hot potato thing works on the kickoff return, we're looking at it as genius. And so there are some plays that you can look at on the face like that does seem kind of silly, even if it worked, And maybe that qualifies for that. But also, and I've been consistent with this, I like aggression,

I like risks, I like thinking differently. You know, take a swing if it ends up looking weird and not working out, which that didn't. But it was because of a fumble, not because of that actual I think formation so be it, take swings, fail, be wrong, look foolish. It's better than being an eyeway here him.

You you didn't have to do that. You could have done something else and still want That would be the question I would ask, right, did he really have to do that to beat South Carolina? You don't have to do anything. You don't have to do anything. I get that, But that I think is the spirit of the question, did you really have to do that? I don't think

it's arrogant. I think it's probably more along the lines of what you're describing, which is we've got these trick plays, they've been in the quiver all year, we're saving them for a big spot in a rival game. Now we're going to roll them out there. So I get that. Also, the hidden benefit, not just of what you see on the field, is if a trick play works, even if it doesn't go for a big play, those are the tens. Those are the types of things that tend to build

within the ranks within your program. Sure players look forward to seeing those plays rolled out there in the wild on game day, so there is added benefit to doing it. Just didn't work here, and I don't think they needed do it when they did, but it certainly wasn't arrogant. Yeah, I don't think.

But also context matters, and Ohio State should have been aggressive in that big moment, in those big moments against Michigan and Michigan team who was not going away, who was giving Ohio State everything it could handle, And in the context of Dan Lanning going for it from his own twenty nine One, they've been very good on fourth down this year. Two couldn't stop anybody for the last

four or five weeks other than Utah, I guess. And three their punter just dropped the ball on their own goal line and so he went into the season as backup or third string punter or something like that. So they didn't have a lot of confidence in Oregon being able to flip the field. So I don't look at risky maneuvers in terms of the results. I was like, I look at risky maneuvers as like, Okay, you're going for it on fourth down, what's the intention with this play?

What's the creativity involved? In this play, are you doing something that has never worked and it seems riskier than you need to be in the way that you're doing things. So maybe you say, Okay, that Clemson return huddle thing was risky in that I love it. The return huddle thing is risky in that, no, I don't think anybody has really done it, at least recently successfully, and whatever. I'm just not going to criticize them for being aggressive

and trying. Now you say, okay, let's do like the fake handoff as a guy's swinging behind, you know, the fake end around thing, kick return or laying down in the end zone. There are any number of things you can do. I always enjoy the like two punt returners back and one guy gives like the fake one him right and it's caught elsewhere on the field and totally fools the the punt team. But I'm not results oriented with this. Okay, I'm manner oriented, but I'm proaggression and I'm good with it.

have numbers. I'm sure Bill Connolly has numbers that would back this up one way or the other. That said, this is like my favorite thing to look at the off season. Yeah, I go by this is what I go by. I'll go by this going into bowl season. I think it's very useful as a tool for picking confidence pools, which we will be doing over after bowlers dot Com. But I really believe in momentum and I think it's a thing that you can use as an effective tool to gauge how a program's going to do

in the following season. South Carolina actually is a very good example of it. This season. South Carolina finished eight and four this year. Great season. They closed out in dramatically impressive fashion, beating two top ten teams. What did they do at the end of last season, Well, they were lucky to get into a bowl game. They went to the Duke's Mayo Bowl. They won. Shane Biemer had the vat of you know, almost got a concussion getting the mayo dumped on his head, but nonetheless they were

able to hold up the Duke's Mayo Bowl trophy. They took that momentum into the off season. They were aggressive in the portal, which of course helped. But it all built to a point where now they're eight and four, they're going to go to a good bowl game. They had two really impressive wins here to close out the season, and it feels as if it is just building on itself.

I think that's important. You heard me talk about it at nauseum in the early days of Brian Kelly at Notre Dame, some of those early teams, Right the momentum that they took with them into a bowl game throughout the latter half of a season, it built into the beginning part of the next season. Eventually they got that flywheel going. Not to sound too marketing, but you know, I think it helps. I think it all builds on itself. So I would much rather be South Carolina going into

twenty twenty three than I would say Miami. It's a state of Miami right now, right there was just a thing you sent me. They couldn't even get stued to hop on the bus to come to the stadium for Miami games. So that would be the opposite of positive momentum. It might take a while for Mario to build it up, and I believe still that he will, okay, but it'd much rather be South Carolina with the just two different circumstances, two different in terms of my second year coach. Yeah, yeah,

much much different. But the trajectory of one does not necessarily equal that of the other.

going to continue to be. Now, if there is relative stability within your program and you bring a good chunk of players, you bring back a good chunk of coaches, and you add guys who fit in well in the locker room and the culture. I think you're probably largely right. It's easier to win when you're happy than it is to win when you're dysfunctional. And it seems like if things are somewhat consistent within the program and you win near the end of a year, you at least go

into the next season in a good place. But also, guys just get hurt, right, Guys just fumble the ball at an opportune times, and so all of the pieces can be there, and then the universe says like, well, you won that game twenty eight twenty seven last year, you're losing it twenty eight twenty seven this year. And so there's too much with football that's up in the air,

and there's too small a sample size to me. Whereas, like you look at the NBA with eighty two games, if a team finishes really really well in their last twenty even if they don't make the playoffs or something like that, and that team coming back the next year, and that coaching staff is coming back the next year, I would generally feel better about an NBA team finishing strong than a college football team, just because there's so many moving pieces that even if there's harmony in the

locker room, even if everybody's.

They beat a top tier team in front of everybody in a medium to large size bowl game. I forget which one it was exactly. You know, they send Traylon Burks, He's one of the best three receivers in the country to the NFL. I think he's good in the NFL. Like there's so much positive about Arkansas Moving into twenty twenty two, kJ Jefferson gets hurt. Defense falls apart. They lose an all's sec caliber safety early on, and the

season is just kind of a mess. They have the text A and M opportunity and they don't get to lose like all of the good juju that was happening in Fayetteville, no kind of quickly evaporated through just football things. And so that's why. And that's an example. That's not an exception that proves anything, but that's what I would go back to when I think about momentum heading into an off season.

we're gonna give aj very quickly, rapid fire. We're not going to go into like deep seated analytical stuff on any of these games, but we're gonna give him very quickly the results on who wins that challenge between the SEC and the Big Ten.

I guess we'll go just in terms of what I'm seeing here, I guess Auburn, Okay, at thirteen sure against home wreckers, I think so, I think it would have to be. Yeah, I would take Auburn.

Wisconsin is what what I think we decided on. Yeah, so Florida, Florida Wisconsin. I think I.

play this game tomorrow. Yeah, Penn State, I Michael Penn State with the current state of the Tennessee defense.

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or something like that. If you got a bunch of crispy potatoes, eggs, and if you want turkey, if you don't want turkey, stuffing, all of that would be great in a hash, like some sort of scrambly hash. I'm just into because you just it's that old.

it with whatever else. You can throw turkey out of pizza of course.

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