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By the way, we should we should point this out here, Dan, Yeah, please tell the kind folks listening wherever they are, Oh my gosh about your bath setup for the little man.
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out of. And now it has been retired and it is now I guess the solid baby taking very Patriot League back.
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Welcome back to the show. We've been doing Q and A shows the last three weeks. So the first time we did it in the month of May was you asked me, then me asking you with a weird sort of role playing Ben too wonderful. And then last week we had questions from the verboler hood out there today, Well, we're doing is going back to an old concept and by old I mean a year old. We did it once previously.
Can we change the name?
We can absolutely change the name, But let me give some parent text for where we're headed with this. Last year the show that we did it may have been the first week of June. If I recall we called it, Are we sure that dot dot dot? And the whole premise behind it is you and I are going to take some college football topics, ones that really play into
conventional wisdom, and we're going to challenge those beliefs. We're going to stress test them a little bit and see if for sure it is something that we are sure of or not. Now, the show last year was titled are We Sure That? And you expressed an interest a couple days ago and now again just a few seconds ago to change the name to something else.
Is it's apparently like a Bill Simmons phrase, And I mean he uses it. He didn't invent it, for sure.
There are other people who have used that.
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, we could pump the brakes, pump the brakes. It could be college football ish with after further review or upon further consideration, or I kind of like pumping the brakes.
I love pump the brakes. I use that four times a day.
And we can. Yeah, you probably are PhD level with your corporate lingo.
Oh yeah, buddy, you are.
What was the one you told me yesterday? Blocking and tackling, Blocking and tackling?
What is that? It refers to the mundane elements of corporate life, the busy work, the seat work, if you will.
So paperwork, calls, conference calls, meetings blocking you have to be through. Never heard it. I had to ask somebody the first time I heard brass tacks. Let's get down to brass tacks, like, I don't where are we going.
We can go offline, we can go soup to nuts, we can go thirty thousand foot view whatever you want to do?
Should we do an entire episode? Like right before we begin, I don't know how we're going to preview this year. I think we should mix it up. Should we just preview the big ten as if we are in a Monday morning meeting?
I could absolutely do that.
Okay, so let's pump some brakes and actually determine whether or not we should just hit the gas. You know, perhaps righting the brakes is not the move. It's the off season, so there's a lot of stop and start. You have news, you have spring ball, you have recruiting and signing day, and coaches moving around, so there is there is action, but then there's no action, so there's a lot of break pumping. Anyway, orb myyer announces he's
the coach and waiting at us. See, there's all of those stories coming and going, So I like pump the brakes. So here's the only issue with this. Yeah, and we should explain what this actually is. We will explain what this is.
I had my hypothetical sound all cute up and ready to go. I don't know if you can get me a break screeching sound while I'm doing some of our setup here on tonight's podcast. If you could put that in the little bit just box.
Hold in the in the back of your mind thing to yourself. Should we be pumping the brakes?
No, I'm saying I need Oh you want audio element? Okay, tonight's show. If you could find that, put it in the folder. I'll see if I can spin it up. Need it in a wave, though.
Dan, you need it in a wave? Okay.
Here is what we are doing this evening again to rehash. We are taking college football conventional wisdom for the coming twenty nineteen season, and we are stress testing it. We're going to look at some things that we have come to accept as fact, for better or worse, and deciding should we pump the brakes, should we go pedal to the metal on these ideas? Are we willing to accept those under the big tent? That is a Soliverble podcast.
Roll through the stop sign no breaks.
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Why don't you Yes, let me explain this work up our first topic.
So over the course of the offseason, there's just a ton of college football conventional wisdom, like, for instance, saturdays are amazing. I don't think I can question that that is something that we have accepted as fact or near fact. What we're doing today with today's exercise is saying, is this true though, this is what we've sort of accepted to be the universal college football truth narrative wise, player wise, program wise, But should we take a moment and question it?
As the college football scientists we are. Isn't it true that if you're supposed to get a PhD you have to defend your dissertation, right, mm hmm. You submit it and then it's questioned by your peers and you have to defend it. Or if you're doing some sort of experiment, it has to be blind, you know, double blind. Whatever it is, there has to be an element of challenging.
I probably used the blind determine correctly, but there has to be you know, you have to redo your experiment to see if you can get the same results over and over again. So there's an element of questioning things. That's what we're doing here today as college football scientists. Does the sound load and is it good to go?
I've got it. So the very first topic we have here, Yeah, do we want to pump the brakes? That's pretty good, right, that's good. I like it.
Yeah.
On the idea that Manny diaz Oh was the right hire for the Miami Hurricanes, Now, okay, this was a pretty big story. Give me the case for this is a pretty big story. So the case for many das is that he's got a familiarity with the area, right, He's he's from absolutely. Miami didn't go to Miami, went to Florida State, but he's a Miami guy. He was coaching the very recently. Is a defensive coordinator under Mark Richt. Was actually hired to be a head coach at Temple.
Only had that chod for about three weeks before Mark Richt retired from Miami and the Canes hired him back. He's got a ton of experience as a defensive coordinator, has been a DC for about thirteen years. Has had a bunch of stops along the ways Missippi State. Sure, so people know many Diaz. He's long been thought of as a very bright young mind in the sport of college football, has got a lot of passion, is seen as a very good recruiter. There's a lot to like there.
That is the case for. The case against is that he's never been a head coach before, and the case against is certainly that Many Diaz is stepping into a situation where Miami. I know we've joked about losing the swagger, but Miami is not what Miami used to be, and.
That might go number one overall fantasy things wise, Miami losing swagger. If you are Ty Kuiper, Junior or Ty McShay. And you are projecting out Miami trying to find its lost swagger or swag? Are you? Is it a top four pick so one of our first two picks each. Do you think it's more of a reach because whatever happens during the season happens, and that adjusts the storyline of trying to recapture the swag. It might be more
of an off season fantasy thing. I love that so much, Oh my god, because and well, we'll put this online. We'll put it on Twitter. Our dear, dear friend Bruce Felbn wrote a story about Manny Diaz trying to recapture the lost Miami swag. And I did the research, and you could argue that Miami has been swagless more often than it has been swag full. And you can look if you look up Al Golden or Randy Shannon or Mark Richt or Butch Dave. You just keep going back.
They're all trying to capture the swag.
And you look and interviews with recruits and it's just like, we're going to bring that swag back. There is more attempting to bring swag back in Coral Gables than there is than there are days filled with swag, right and by limited research. By the way, that's what I have.
When we say swag, we mean swagger for the people out there who will call us on it. But you get the gist of what we're saying. That is the case both for and against Manny Diaz. Dan, how do you? How do you feel about this hire? Just from a thirty thousand foot you if you will.
I haven't thought about it a lot. But it's an interesting time for Miami since Florida is still undergoing changes Florida state, you know, not a super hot start to Willie Taggart in terms of raising the profile of the brand in the state of Florida. Uh, the ACC has one clear major power. So it is a good time to not be, you know, in a c full of really destructive forces. And so I like the timing. I like Manny Diaz. I think he's bright, I think he'll
recruit pretty well. I'm curious to see what happens in the short term at quarterback. I don't think Tate Martell is going to be necessarily the answer, and that has really been what has dogged Miami recently is getting two three good games from somebody whoever it is Malik Rogier most recently, and then it going sideways. And so quarterback to me is a huge deal. And I know it's more difficult to find really good quarterbacks in Florida because
of the level of defensive competition in high school. Hard to develop in Florida. So that's why Miami has gone. You know, Brad Kaye is from like right by where my parents are in southern California. That's why they have to go out of state. So I think there are challenges with that job that are not obvious and people just think, oh, South Florida, they'll load up with talent, it'll be great. Maybe it's a for sure winnable division
given where those teams are at. But my only real question is is he in the back of his mind orized on a daily, hourly, every minute basis, you know, knowing what's going on in the program, having a vision Because to me, saying he's from Miami, he gets it.
Ye see, That's that's where I was gonna go with this. That's why I'm pumping the brakes on this.
You know, it feels too much sister USC schoolish to me at that I'm worried about that angle, which doesn't necessarily mean he will fail, but it means he has to outgrow that angle, getting.
The guy who knows the culture. The whole welcome home thing that I know we've had fun with in the past.
Mark Rick just was welcomed home, and it was just welcoming home, and Scott Frost was welcomed home, and they tried to welcome Harbor.
Yeah, Jeff Bram home to live like. I get the angle. I understand why bringing Jim Harbaugh home to Michigan's a big deal and that Super Bowl coach different to the alumni, right, I get that whole angle. There is definitely a place for it. But I think it's overrated. I realized why really overrated. I didn't used to feel that way, but then I did the show for twelve years, and now I really feel like it's an overrated quality that a lot of fans latch onto when it comes to head
football coach. I like Mandy Diaz. I think he's forward thinking. He's certainly not rooted to any like old school mentality when it comes to coaching the football team, but we still don't really know what he is. He's very much an unknown quantity. Some of his stops as a defensive coordinator have gone better than others, so his stock has sort of risen and fallen over the course of time here, over like the last decade or so. I'm pumping the brakes on this just because we don't know a lot
about what that team is going to look like. We don't know if he's going to be able to bring that swagger back. We know he's got a passion for that area of Florida and certainly for the school that is Miami. I think his father was the mayor of my or something like that. There's a lot of familiarity there.
But that, by the way, I believe, and I'm confirming this as we speak. I believe both Butch Davis and Jimmy Johnson went to Arkansas. Yeah, so it's are like their coaching careers, a lot of it took place in Texas and Oklahoma, and they're.
On rushmore in quarrel rifles, So you don't need to be from there. Miami Building winner Dennis Erickson definitely isn't. Yeah, let's pump the brake on many das. I hope it works. College football is more interesting when Miami is interesting and I would love, truly if somebody could bring the swagger back, but he's just so much of an unknown quantity at
this point. I think. Given here's what I will say, Given the fact that it broke down with Mark Richt as late as it did in the coaching carousel, the fact that they were able to go out and get Manny Diaz away from Temple was a coup in that sense. It was absolutely the correct, the right move. Who else are you going to get at that juncture. It's a tough spot to put any program in.
Here's the other thing that I think can be both over and understated. Miami just hired a new Temple coach. Like if you get rid of the connections, right, they don't pipeline. No, no, no, I'm not referring to al Gold. That's not what I'm talking about. Oh okay, Think about a group of five school who has had some success and they hire a new coach whatever. Like I don't know what example I could give right now, Like, who is a decent group of five school that just hired
an up and comer that has had decent success. I'll give it some thought, or you can give it some thought. As I'm talking, it was plain a day that Manny Diaz has worked up to the point where, yes, he should be given a shot as a head coach on a somewhat major college football level. And it made sense. Oh, Temple, Holde, Temple hired Manny Diaz. He is that made sense to everybody. He was a new Temple level head coach who has suddenly without coaching, jumped up a pretty significant deal.
Yeah.
Right, And so that to me is curious that this might be too big a leap too quickly, and that we might look back and maybe he'll have a great if he doesn't work out in Miami, he'll have a great you know, second stage of his career, and he'll look back and say, you know what, I don't know if I was ready for it in that moment, Like it would have been nice to get two three years of reps at a group of five, So thin Eli Drinkwitz kind of thing, Yes, yes, and I don't know.
I mean many Diaz has been a little bit more high profile at Texas and Mississippi State in Miami, so he has higher level experience. Yeah, but yes, if Eli Drinkwitz was hired at app State, and then all of the sudden Washington State, if Mike Leach had left with like, oh we really want Eli Drinkwitz like oh wow, that's but okay, hop hop and that that might be something that comes into play.
All right, let's move on. Let's go over to another one.
I'm not pumping brakes, but I am going through the yellow cautiously.
Are we pumping the brakes on Jalen Hurts fitting in at Oklahoma? Now, Okay, if we must rehash this for the kind folks, the smart folks that certainly listen to the show, Jalen Hurts is transferring over from Alabama. He went twenty six and two in an Alabama uniform as starting quarterback, albeit running a much much different offense. Certainly, as we saw with Kyler Murray last year, and as we saw that Oklahoma program ramp up on offense under
Lincoln Riley, there's no shortage of playmakers. The question for them will be along the line this year they lose a bunch of guys, right, we did ask I believe in this very same show, virtually the same question about Kyler Murray in twenty eighteen, sort of that we're asking about Jalen Hurts now at Oklahoma, the fit is it worth the emotional energy? Where do you come down on Jalen Hurts?
So I can very clearly see a world in which he succeeds pretty electrically. But the nagging thing to me is Kyler Murray, who we had in this position last year. Kyler Murray had time years plural in Lincoln Riley's system, mental reps, practices, film whatever, Baker Mayfield years and it was already at Texas Tech in a very not similar but you know, there are similarities system, whereas what Jalen Hurts is used to doing offensively can be pretty different
than what Oklahoma has done. Not to say Oklahoma won't fit their offense to take advantage of his dual threat strengths, but that has me curious since the record is not great of quarterbacks immediately jumping into a system as a grad transfer and succeeding. Now, there aren't always quarterbacks who have been as successful as Jalen Hurts making that move.
So I understand that and the fact that Oklahoma's a Heisman factory, but the lack of time, the lack of comforts, it is worrisome because there were certain advantages that Jalen Hurts enjoyed with Alabama's defense and didn't have to score a ton of points to put together a twenty six and two record, right. No, Oklahoma's defense got to score a little more than what the threshold is at Alabama, and he will have playmakers, as you have noted. But I am far less sure. And I was not terrifically
sure of Kyler Murray last year. I'm far less sure about Jalen Hurts because of what we saw him do in the biggest games for Alabama. Even when he won, it was not always the prettiest thing. And I have it up right here. Jalen Hurts was the twenty ninth best quarterback in twenty seventeen against ranked teams with yards per attempt, if that's a metric you care about, in
twenty sixth against ranked teams ratings, so statistically fine. I just he had so many advantages at Alabama, and as soon as a better thrower came along, he looked twenty times better through the air.
Yeah. The good news. The good news for Jalen Hurts His regular season schedule is a much lighter lift at Oklahoma than it ever was at Alabama. As I look through it here, it's a while before you get to a notable defense. It's probably, in all reality, not until we get to the Red River shootout in middle of October against Texas, until we're talking about this team playing what I would consider a real defense. Okay, the Big
twelve has this reputation. It's not so much a defensive conference like the SEC, and that will bode well for Jalen Hurts if only to get his feet wet in the first half of the season, and I think that will help him along. That learning curve point, though, was very valid. He has not had the mental reps, the practice reps of Kyler Murray from a year.
Right garbage time Kyler Murray a couple of years ago. Yeah.
I do like the fact that he's very mobile and that should help him. We certainly got playmakers around him, but the line's going to be a little sketchy to start until it jels. I think Lincoln Riley will find a way to bring it all together. I think they will find a way to make him fit in. He may not fit in a heisman sense like we saw with Kyler Murray. He may not fit in a Heisman
sense like we saw with Baker Mayfield. But there's certainly enough talent around him, and I think Lincoln Riley is bright enough of a college football mind that he can tailor a system. He's had all off season to think about this. He can tailor an offensive system that will work for Jalen Hurts and will emphasize what he does well. My bigger question about Oklahoma is what Alex Grinch does
on the defensive side. That's not the question here right as we move forward now into preview season, That's the question I'm going to be asking more. I'm going to ask about that offensive line, sure, but my first question is whether or not Alex Grinch can bring along that defense the way he's brought defenses like Washington stayed along in the past.
I think Texas Tech will be a good measuring stick at the end of September for Jalen Hurts because that defense has come a long way and now I think it's being run by the old ASU defensive coordinator Keith Patterson. It's come a long way and it is probably okay, and that I think will give us He should have a good game, not a great game, but he should have a good game against Texas Tech. I'm curious to see that as a measuring stick because Houston South Dakota
UCLA you see on the road kind of interesting. The defense has been kind of in shambles the last couple of years. Those two games UCLA on the road in Texas Tech, I think will be quite interesting to see what the potential bar is for Jalen Hurts. But yeah, the Texas game by mid October will be huge.
That'll be the measuring stick. All right, where do you want to go next? Dan, Let's go to Okay. I like this one, and I think that there's a lot to talk about. An unpack here are we? Can we pump brakes? Are we positive? Are we sure that whatever? After further consideration, can ed Orzron provide something tangible for LSU that less Miles couldn't? Okay, get that sound in there, Go ahead.
Please, This is the because LSU fans are very quick too, like what what?
What?
Huh?
What?
No? What? What? No? I like ed Orzron. I like ed Oorzron a lot. Near the end of his tenure, less Miles was losing three games a year, and he had and it was it was doing so in confusing manner at times. The late game situations were pretty problematic,
and that culminated with the Auburn situation. I want to say twenty sixteen, then at Oorzron becomes the interim and I think a lot of people have rallied behind him, and they were a ridiculous game away from winning ten regular season games last year, that crazy overtimes game against Texas A and M So tangibly speaking, right now, Edorzron is not necessarily getting great passing. It's fine. I don't think it's anything demonstrably better or worse than where less
Miles was and inconsistent passing games. He's lost three games he has there, I don't think elsus. This is my correction from before they've scored a touchdown in Baton Rouge against Alabama since twenty fourteen, a single touchdown and that was in the first quarter in twenty fourteen, so it's been a while. I think it's been eleven quarters if
my math holds up. So that is worrisome, and so tangibly speaking, I think Edorsron needs to take LSU to ten regular season wins and until that happens, is is he like Barrel chested less, Miles Baryl just In just in turn terms of bottom line, I understand the organization. I understand that coaches may have more confidence in him running the program day to day, that he has evolved into this very impressive head coach. But when do they get their news, Zach Mettenberger. When do they get that
one year JaMarcus Russell? When do they get above average quarterback play at the same time as great defense, great recruiting, confidence from the coaching staff, confidence from the administration and boosters. Is is there anything else other than ten wins that would provide a tangible improvement light shining on at oriz Ron. That is such a good question, Dan, And here's the sub question, Ty, and you can answer that one first, But what is the biggest perception change with one win?
Like is it going from five and seven to six and six? You're like, oh my god, this is a totally new improved team because all of a sudden they're going to the minu Key car Care Bowl. Or is it going from nine to ten? Is it going from eleven to twelve, which obviously undefeated before a potential conference championship. Is it going from seven barely Bowl eligible to eight comfortable. Where to you is the biggest perception shift with one win?
So I answered the first question first, and then the second.
Okay, so first things first, I'm gonna talk about something that took me by surprise a year ago, and that was Joe Burrow. Now, when Edward Jeran took over at LSU, I remember distinctly you and I talking about the perception problem that we had with LSU, and it was that the offense hadn't matured or hadn't evolved to a point where it was good enough to get to the heights that lc fans wanted it to get to. Right, they brought in Joe Burrow. Now, I'm not saying Joe Burrow
is Peyton Manning. I'm not even saying Joe Burrow is Cooper Cooper Manning, Cooper Manning. Okay, but Joe Burrow was pretty good. And the stats, it's fine. The stats aren't reflective of how big he came up in some really key spots throughout the course of this LSU season.
LSU finished, and this is a metric. I think we both like thirty fourth nationally in offensive points per drive. So that's a pace adjusted stat that's pretty.
Good, So that's an improvement. I think the fact that they've got him back now that will help solidify the offense hopefully move it forward. But that's that's the biggest issue I have fifty the year before I had let's say, with LSU under ed Orgeron, can he give them something tangible that Les Miles did. Now, if you are using one win to get to ten regular season wins as
your bottom line barometer, it's been a while. It's been since twenty twelve since LSU won ten games in the regular season, I think it helps to get to double digit wins in the regular season, no doubt. I also don't think that that's the proper measuring stick. I think the SEC West constantly measures itself against Alabama constantly.
That's the unfortunate thing.
That's the unfortunate thing. If ed Orgeron is winning ten games almost anywhere else, he's a saint. The problem is that they're in the same conference, in the same side of the same conference as the Alabama Crimson tied and oh, by the way, pretty much every other team on that side of the conference has also gotten a lot better. They've also found ways to upgrade their program I'm looking at U Texas A and M. I don't know if that ten win mark means as much as it used to,
and that's unfortunate for Ordron. He has steadied the ship. He's won nine games each of the last two years in the regular season. I think that's a good step in the right direction. But can he give them something tangible that Les Miles didn't. I'm looking at Les miles career record right now. Granted he was at LSU a long time, but he did win a national championship and he lost another.
What I wonder is and we'll never know, but we've seen this in other divisions, other conferences, whether it's you know, Texas Oklahoma, whether it's you know, Mac Brown is you know, the best modern coach Texas has had, and Bob Stoops happens to also be the best coach Oklahoma has had and it just all happened at the same time. Or Jim Harbaugh taking Stanford to these crazy heights, but Chip
Kelly having Oregon a little bit better. And that's this constant thing, although those are much shorter lasting, is what does the SEC West look like if Alabama is merely great and not all time elite excellent, Like what happens if it's just a year over year ten and two ish Alabama program, Like it's at a Blake Simms Alabama program, all due respect to Blake Simms or Jake Cochery, you know those kind of like that's you're not getting top
top quarterback level and maybe there's defensive lapses like they had against you know, it was twenty ten South Carolina or or you know something like that Ole miss those past couple of years where that just happens a couple times a year, and what what is that? How does that change the less Miles career arc? How does that
change things with Kevin Sumlin? How does that change things with I mean Dan Mullin was going to leave for Florida whenever he possibly could leave for Florida, and Hugh Freeze has nothing, you know, his departure doesn't really have anything to do with Alabama. But how does that change things around the SEC? If Alabama is merely oh, they're a great program. Well man, we've talked about this before.
How many teams in the SEC, like pretty much all of them have experienced some kind of coaching turnover in the span that Saban has been at Alabama, He's driven.
He's driven the SEC. He's driven all of college football crazy. Everyone's trying to get better than him, and nowhere more so than perhaps at LSU, who for so long has been that natural rival, at least in the SEC West to the Crimson tide. I like ed Orgron. I like the fact that I know, I just talked about how it's overrated, and it still is overrated. But I like the fact that he is sort of like the hometown guy that everyone's rooting for. I like the fact that
he wanted the job more than virtually anyone else. I like the fact that we sometimes question how many screws he has loose. I like the fact that he brings that edge to LSU and there I think the screws are tightened, the screws might be tightened, they're still a little bit loose. And you always had that component with less Miles there, the mad hatter at LSC. There was always that edge that made ls very interesting to watch from the outside, and I.
Think people just got tired of it and just like, Okay, we get what late late stage less Miles is.
He needed new material rights. That's what it amounted to and perhaps the upgraded version or the different version of less Miles can be at Orgeron. Less had a lot of good years at LSU. If ed Orgeron can put together a better offense, if he can get things going in a better direction offensively, I think the talent is there. I have confidence that he can build a defense. I think he can get LSU back to a point where winning ten games is something they can do in the
regular season. The question for LSU people is can they beat Alabama? Can they win the SEC West? Can they win the SEC? I don't know the answer to that right now. The answer doesn't look like it's a yes.
Which are you more sympathetic to asterisk wise LSU? And I don't even know if ls do. People say this, this is me projecting, but well, I mean they're this seven overtime, They're like seventeen pulled Hammies away from winning that you know, seven overtime game. You know ed Orgron was doused in gatorade. They were so confident the game was going to end when it did. Or are you
more confident in using the asterisk? When we just over and over made fun of Mike Gundy for saying, well, the Central Mission games really a win our records really because of the bad hail Mary call. I think I'm still giving the edge to more sympathy for LSU because Oblo mis State had an opportunity to win that game and they didn't LSU. That was like a way out of character game that I don't think Texas A and
M definitively can lay claim to. So I think they're they're pretty close to it a ten win team.
They're very close. They're very close. The question is almost unfair to edwors You're on. Can he provide something tangible that Les Miles couldn't. Les Miles provided a great deal, he won a national championship. Edworgs are on, though, I think can get them back to that level, which is encouraging.
If I gave you odds right now of double digit points scored by LSU against Alabama.
No, I don't want it.
If I might give you plus two point fifty two.
And a half to one, no I need more.
If I gave you plus four hundred, I would take four to one. Four to one odds of LSU getting into double digits after being shut out two of the last three years.
Okay, double digits is ten points. I would take four to one. I'm not sure about two and a half.
Okay, all right, what is your next break, Pumper?
Well, I have a very important question, and that is how often do you think about your socks every single day? We've been talking about it forever on the show.
I'm mister no show now. By the way, Oh really, that's how I live with pants without pants? Yep?
Is that a dad moved in?
I don't know if it's a dad move. It might be more of a I like to wear pants to the office space I go to, but I don't care if anybody sees my ankles or my shins.
Yeah.
I want it to breathe as we enter into summer. So that's what I'm doing.
Well, we've been talking about the merits.
I don't cuff yet, if that's what you're asking.
Okay, that's good. Thank you. Okay, thank you for clarifying.
I'm not ruling it out, but I do not do it yet.
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All right, Dan? I don't know.
You want to do the big dog? Do you want to do a conference?
Let's coach, Let's save the big dog for later. Okay, I think we both know what the big dog is here on this list. Let's go to up and coming coach. Okay, pump the brakes, pedal to the medal, whichever way you want to play it. Jeff Brahm, did he or did he not do a good thing by staying at Purdue even with all of that cash that was being offered from Louisville?
Yeah? And well and Purdue. Yeah, did he do a.
Good thing staying where he's at? You pump in the brakes, you go and pedal to the medal on that?
Did he miss a window to maximize his value in a very volatile profession?
Yeah, so.
We've sort of talked about. I mean, I will give my opinion. I won't speak for you, but he's going to make upwards of what five and a half six million dollars either this year or eventually with his new deal. And you know that sets the market for him. If you know, Purdue goes eight and four, nine and three, and he gets a job at some huge blue blood after he's done at Purdue, he will make yes, seven
eight million dollars whatever, which is just crazy. My question is the sindularity is the wagon to which he is hitching. Elijah Sindelar had an extraordinary Bowl game as quarterback two years agogainst Arizona. I think that was in the Bay Area. That was Foster Farms or whatever it's called that bowl game, and then last season didn't really play. They lose to Eastern Michigan, I want to say, And he had kind of a bad game and really has not proven himself over the long term to be like I am the
dude at least that even David Blau was. And is Purdue in a place now with winnable games for sure, with talent especially on offense, and taking a pretty enormous step back on defense last year culminating in that game against Auburn. Is Jeff Brohm hurting his long term potential by staying at Purdue, which probably has a pretty defined ceiling. And I don't think Louisville has that same ceiling in the ACC. I don't think anywhere else really in most
other conferences have the ceiling that Purdue does. And I just I don't know if I love the place Purdue is in to fully showcase Jeff bram and I think it might hurt him.
Okay, I disagree. Wow, I disagree, And here's why I disagree. You were right to point out that the defense took a significant step back, but you're also slightly blind to the fact that it took a huge step forward in year one under Jeff Brahm. I remember a lot of upperclassmen there alright, a lot of upperclassmen. But when he took over. I remember looking at Purdue in advance of I guess what the twenty seventeen season, and you and I talked to each other, like, this defense is gonna
be an issue. Rough, this is gonna be a problem for the boy had done a good job going in. Yeah and lo and behold. The defense ended up sort of being the talk of that team. Now last season, not so much. They dropped pretty significantly. If you look at what Purdue did on offense over that two year span, it was sort of the opposite first year not so good down in like the nineties. I want to say, in terms of how many points they're putting up per game.
Last year took a pretty significant step forward up intol like the fifties. They were in the top half of college football. So I think what I'm trying to say is that this is a guy who could coach now, it's going to take a while to try and assemble the pieces. He's only been there two years. He needs to get his guys in there. He needs to establish a culture, needs to establish a system, needs to get
some of those things he has at this point. He has need to get those underclass been programmed accordingly to do what he wants them to do. But look, he's already going to be making a lot of money. It depends on your definition of maximizing your value. I think if he can get things going in a good direction, all the ships rowing in the same direction at Purdue and at least make them plucky, which he seemingly has done,
that in and of itself will make him marketable. We have already wanted him after just like two seasons out.
They had a connection to him. They had a connection.
They had a connection. But they are not the only school that was interested in Jeff Brohm. I can assure you, and moving forward, they will not be the last. So I am not worried at all about Jeff Brohm's marketability. He is at some point going to cash in in a very big way. He is one of the few up and coming coaches who can bide his time at Purdue, wait for the right job to come along, and then cash in at a later day. I don't think this hurts him at all. I think it's good for college football.
It's certainly good for the Big Ten. That he decided to stick around at Purdue. He's going to be just fine.
So the phrasing I always like though, is at a certain point, can he just go six and six every year and maintain the market value that he currently has.
Cliff Kingsbury is now the head football coach at Arizona.
I get that, But he can point to specific quarterbacks that he helped to develop that I don't think.
The Arizona Cardinals, not the University of Arizona.
I get you. I think that's more of a reflection on the Arizona Cardinals than it is the general model. Also be true. I would just be worried that if he goes six and six, five and seven, seven and five in perpetuity, next two, three, four years in perpetuity obviously means forever. So I miss using that word. I just I think it's going to I think his attraction is going to plateau.
Well that's look, it's certainly possible. But you and I both know there are plenty of coaches around college football who develop a reputation as being a forward thinker, or an up and comer, or you name it. Manny Diaz could be one of those, by the way, and certainly they remain marketable, perhaps longer than they should be. Now, I don't want to want Manny Diaz quite into that, but you get my point here. I think Jeff Brohm's
going to be fine. I think he is viewed by enough people as an up and comer, a bright young college football mind. He will remain marketable for a good long time. This isn't going to hurt him even if Perdue Bottom's out, which I don't think they will, because he's a good coach. He's going to.
Be just fine. I would like to point out that the twenty eighteen per Due boiler Makers gave up twenty three points to the Michigan State offense.
Okay, okay, let's.
Move on with their backup quarterback.
Let's move on. I want to get your take on something here. Now. I had written another PAC twelve ish question, but you put something here that I think is an interesting topic for discussion. Yeah, are we pumping the brakes? Are we not pumping the brakes? Did the PAC twelve do the right thing by not taking ESPN's offer to distribute? Now you're gonna have to network in the lactic game. Yeah, you're gonna have to explain for the for ballerhood here what exactly transpired.
So it's pretty straightforward. The PAC twelve has been big on owning itself outright, and that includes you know, they have these deals with Fox and ESPN to show games, but they own the PAC twelve network outright. They like the ownership element of the network, and I understand that in general, big picture, you want to own everything you possibly can. You have more control, you make more money
if it's successful, et cetera, et cetera. The problem with the PAC twelve is, as we've talked about many times here before, there are certain built in disadvantages that the PAC twelve have, be it schools without long term traditional success or the fact that it's on West coast child schools, or most of its schools are on West Coast times, so some of the bigger games are into the night, and not a lot of people on the East coast or southeast, you know, central time are able to see
all this big action, and they haven't had teams in the playoffs. They've been close since, you know, they've had Washington, they've had Oregon, but they haven't had major, major success since. I suppose both Chip Kelly's run at Oregon and Pete Carroll at USC with this nice little Washington blip, but not necessarily on a national level. So the PAC twelve
is struggling with branding. The PAC twelve is struggling with, you know, garnering attention for some of its better stories, some of its more interesting team, some of its more interesting coaches, and not that you're buried on the PAC twelve network, because plenty of people can see the PAC twelve network. I think that's a little bit overstated, a
little overwrought. But I think the PAC twelve has a perception issue that can be overcome with some more thoughtful exposure that they are not necessarily willing to buy into. And ESPN made them an offer to help distribute the PAC twelve network because ESPN has leverage with cable and satellite providers in exchange for extending ESPN's existing deal with the PAC twelve, presumably at probably a sweetheart rate for ESPN in exchange. So yes, I understand the PAC twelve
wants to make the best deal for itself. But again, I'm at a certain point kind of talker and thinker, right or wrong. At a certain point, when does the PAC twelve say, yeah, we could need we could use a hand, right that doesn't involve private equity investing money, So the PAC twelve can still maintain whatever level of
control they want. And as somebody who loves and adores PAC twelve football, I really wish and you know, let's say ESPN comes in and they say, okay, we're going to create like a hard knock style show showcasing chip Kell and UCLA or Justin Wilcox and cal will put it on ESPN. Plut like they're doing things to raise the profile of certain things or well, you know, attach cameras to ASU and herm Edwards And now I guess what's his name the Bengals coach that just joined up,
Marvin Marvin Lesis Marvin Lewis. I can't keep track that they were willing to do things to go above and beyond to help with the brand of the PAC twelve, and the conference just said thanks, but no thanks, And I don't think the conventional wisdom is that the PAC twelve did the right thing. But I just like to revisit it and say, what are we doing? Well, here's doing? Come on, here's what's interesting about As.
The s CHN is preparing to launch the ACC network, right, here's what's interesting about this. On this show last year, we also had a question about the PAC twelve, and that question was does the PAC twelve know what it's doing? Essentially, are we sure that the PAC twelve knows what it's doing that has somebody in charge? Again, we're asking a question, a business question, about how the PAC twelve is conducting its distribution. I don't really have a problem with this.
I don't, and it's for a couple of reasons. First off, granted, the media landscape is changing, but it's sort of an open secret that live sports are very marketable and they tend to retain their value. So even if you don't cash in from ESPN now in five years, when the current deal with Fox and ESPN expires in twenty twenty four, what's to say that ESPN isn't going to come back and also try to try to get their hands on the PAC twelve, then I think ESPN would still probably
be in the bidding. I'm not a business guy, but it stands to reason that if they were interested now they're probably going to be interested.
Then can I throw something out as well?
Sure?
I have a theory that we are in a streaming bubble, okay, that that streaming has gotten to the point where okay, you're subscribing to Hulu and Netflix and whatever. What's Disney Plus, that's what's coming soon, and Warner Brothers is going to do a thing, and you have Amazon, you have you have all of these different entities, and ESPN is ESPN Plus, and Fox says, I don't know if it's Fox Sports
go still or just Fox Sports. You have all of these different entities that you need to shuffle between, and it's almost like, hey, if we could have, even with how evil all of them are, if we could have one overarching system to watch everything we wanted to watch, say with a cable hooked up to you like a bundle, like some sort of bundle, that might work out well.
And I just think getting in well with cable companies who have the distribution modeled down pat and not saying well, we're gonna put our games on YouTube and everybody's gonna watch it, because that's how everybody's gonna be watching TV in twenty twenty three. I'm pumping the brakes on that thought.
How about that, Well, that that's fair and we could take that offline. Yeah, if you'd like to talk more about.
I mean, you're a YouTube TV subscriber and I have because of Jody with and I I don't know I've reconnected the cord because when she was on maternity leave, She's like, no, I'm not dealing with any of that crap, right, give me, give me channels.
And that's all fair. I just I don't think that there's a whole lot that could happen between now and five years from now that's gonna make the packful of any less valuable. I don't necessarily disagree with the fact that we're in a bit of a streaming bubble. I also think that it's somewhat wise to wait around and at least explore other options, not take the first deal. In this respect, can.
I tell you what I think might make the PAC twelve less valuable by twenty twenty four?
Yeah?
Sick?
Was it?
Five six straight years nineteen twenty one, two, three, four, six straight years of every team going somewhere between four and eight and ten and two okay, and not appearing in the playoff, not showing out well in huge games in early September or in early January, and not necessarily having big time systems or coaches or huge national wins year over year over year. I think that could diminish the value of the PAC twelve.
Well, we'll see, we'll see. I am skeptical that there's a whole lot that could happen that would make live sports rights, at least in that sense, less valuable. And I don't really have a problem with it. The PAC twelve has been poorly run. We've had a lot of question before. Yeah, it's been poorly run. At this point, you've already got a deal. It's not like your games won't be distributed. Why not wait a year or two, see what your options are, see if there's anything new
that develops. I think that's okay. Pump me some breaks? Yeah, okay, fair enough, Daniel.
Yeah, do you want to finish with one big one? You want a couple more? What do you want to do?
Are we pumping the breaks? Uh?
Oh?
On Clemson being a dynasty with no end in sight.
Okay, lot to unpack, A.
Lot to unpack here, So I did a show. I did a show. Gosh, I guess it was some at some point in December. Maybe it was before the National Championship game, before the playoffs with our friend Larry Williams from Tiger Illustrated, like the foremost authority on Clemson football all three of his books here on my bookshelf, an incredible resource, knows everything about Clemson football. He is impossibly
bullish on the Clemson football program moving forward. It is certainly buoyed by the fact that they've got all world everything. Trevor Lawrence as their starting quarterback, had an incredible true freshman campaign. DJ Yuia Galle Yeah, I mean they're putting together maybe the best recruiting class of all time is coming recruiting cycle. So Clemson is in a very good spot. It's clearly a program that has reached critical mass. Larry's
high on them. I don't think there's any college football fan out there who isn't high on Clemson as well. This is not a program that is going to experience any kind of dip anytimes They're not going to dip down eight and four. It's just not going to happen. I don't see any chance of that. Hard that's happening, right, But when you start talking about a dynasty, a dynasty's a different word. Over the next five years, the future looks very bright for Clemson.
They've won two and three, right.
Yes, two and three. But over the next ten years, where will Dablosweeney have this program? Is it a dynasty with no end in sight? The way Alabama has seemingly been a dynasty with no end insight? Yean right?
So well? I mean USC won a couple in three years early on in Pete Carroll's tenure, much to the chagrin I guess still of LSU fans, and that lasted a long time, USC being really good, but they weren't appearing in national championships the back half of you know,
after the Oklahoma game and after the Texas game. Then did they appear in a national championship or in that national championship conversation, they were Rose Bowl good year over year, but they slowed down, and a lot of that had to do with attrition, and then of course Pete Carroll leaves. I don't know, what is the specific thing that could slow this momentum. Yeah, Brent Venables seems like he's very happy there. I still think he'll eventually leave, but he's
waiting for the perfect job. Probably maybe I'm wrong. I'm wrong, certainly often enough, I'm the surest thing in college football picking. But the only real thing I could see that could transform Clemson from eleven to one, twelve to zero into nine and three, ten and two is attrition among coaches. Dabo flirting with an NFL job or something like that.
I don't fully see that right now, and just making a dut of a hire and having and this is any program like two quarterback duds in a row, recruiting wise, just misevaluation, didn't work out because of injury, system whatever. This is not really a hypothetic. It's a hypothetical. Does this dynasty continue given if the talent is, you know, still coming at this pace and developing at this pace. The position coaches are the same, offensive staff is the same,
defensive staff is the same except for one guy. Is Clemson a national title contender in twenty nineteen like they are right now? If you replaced Brent Venables with Brian van Gorder. I ask you this, I, well, because that's what it is. It's going to be a like and that's sort of what happened with Auburn after they won the national championship. Just a couple of dud hires and take it easy. Gene chiswick right.
I When I did the show with Larry I asked him pretty much the same question, what would it take to slow down this momentum? And it's not an easy answer, of course. It's it's all a bunch of hypotheticals. You could have a team that doesn't come together, you know, the bad chemistry.
That's all hypotheticals, but it's really not it's really like, that's what happens when this is what seems slow down. It's just replacing either players or coaches with misevaluated personnel.
It's something doesn't mesh. You could have bad chemistry among players, among coaches. You could have a guy like a Venables leaving. Certainly if Dabbo leaves, that could that could have a downstream effect as well. But there's no easy answer. He didn't really have a good answer. I think you look at the talent coming in, it's hard to see a situation like that taking shape anytime in the near future.
But to your question specifically, Brian Van gordersteps in the schedule to me, is still easy enough that they could get by even if they're not winning the national champions They're getting to the playoff game. They've still got a ton of talent on the offensive side of the ball. This has got Trevor Lawrence in the short term in twenty nineteen, absolutely still a playoff, still a title content
with BVG. Absolutely absolutely. Now they might get to the playoff and give up forty points, but are they getting to that playoff game? Sure? Absolutely, Look at the rest of the ACC, I think they're fine.
How many teams in the ACC need to be legitimately good, legitimately eight nine win threats before you look at the conference and say, wow, this is now a deep enough ACC that I am legitimately worried about Clemson losing twice or three times and not even maybe still making the a SEC Championship, but not penciling them in like they
are now, Like who is the team? So we know Florida State has a capability, we know Miami have the capability just because of talent availability, And I just recent history, you know, says that these could be double digit winning teams. And Florida State's won a recent national championship. That's not a huge stretch. Who is the team that, like, okay, we're now down to If Virginia Tech is year over year nine and three, is it Louisville in their own division?
If Scott Saderfield gets the Cardinals to a point where they're nine and three every year with a lights out defense like they've had under him at app State, are you suddenly saying okay now that Clemson, Syracuse, NC State, Louisville, Miami are all maybe even pitt are all eight ish win threats. I don't think Clemson has an easy road anymore. Do you need more teams than that? Fewer teams?
Well, they had like ten bowl teams this past I.
Don't care about that. They know, but legit like eight they play eight conference games. It's not the hardest thing to get.
It's got to be at least who needs to be good?
What is this specific? I think it's Louisville, Louisville, Yeah, Louisville, Georgia Tech maybe yeah, potentially, Yeah, they have a high talent ceiling being where they are. Yeah, if it gets all the way down to Georgia Tech, the most obvious improvers are Florida State, Miami, Virginia Tech, Louisville. So if it gets down to Georgia Tech improving to eight nine wins a year, yeah, yeah, I could see that, all right, But that's we're years from your situation in the ACC.
I'm not pumping the brakes on now. I don't think I am either the Clemson dynasty. Let's close out with this one. Okay, okay, it's a bigger picture thing. I already know we disagree. It'll be a fun conversation to close out the show with. Are you ready?
I'm ready.
Are you pumping the brakes on the college football playoff as a good thing or just pumping the breaks on a college football playoff? Are you pumping the breaks in the collegeotball playoffs? Yeah? You are. I am not explain your point. I will explain mine.
It feels forced at this point, feels whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. That's your point. Well, that's the opening salvo of my point.
We went eons with a bowl system. I know that was essentially a beauty pageant and you're telling me a playoff system is forced. Ty, Did you ever have a crush on on a young lady when you were in elementary school or middle young last high school?
Yeah, I'm sure you did. Sure I did as well. And I don't have a specific story about this, but I have a friend who has a specific story who pined after a young lady for years and years and just consumed all on the healthy level. He was not sitting in trees or anything like that, and eventually in high school he took her to a dance, and it's like, this is the culmination. Oh my god, I can't believe we are final, Like this is my dream, It's being realized.
I've been wanting this for so many years. And then it was just disappointing. Okay, it was just disappointing. And I have reached the point where it whether it's you know, Jimmy Kimmel singing trying to get people interested in New Year's Eve, I am reaching the point where we are seeing the same games and we're seeing the same teams and we're supposed to talk about the sport as if that's not going to happen in perpetuity. Where it is just becoming tiring. And I just and we've talked about that.
This is not me breaking any new ground on the show. I just want Week ten. I am just the playoff is just not getting me hot and bottle wow. First off, Dan, I want the Rose Bowl. Maybe it's because I'm a dad now and I am just feeling old fashioned and dadish.
But you were. You were of this mind long before you were a father.
That is true. First wheels returning, First off.
How dare you? How dare you be smirched the good name of this song? I know you know I have this at already at all times.
It's just you have when you have to start employing a PR firm, and not my favorite.
It depends on what your objective is for a college football season as a fan of a team, as the fan of a sport. This is where we differ you for whatever reason, and I will never ever be on the same page as you. Okay, you believe that you can go to a bowl game. You believe that some of our good friends in sports media can vote on who their favorite is, and even if you're not the national champion, that's still good enough. It was a good year. It was a good run. He had a great bowl experience,
a great regular season. Let's move on to the next year. I'm at be realistic. You're fine with that. I am not.
I only what nine to three and winning the Alamo Bowl great.
If you are going to play, why not play to win? Why not play to win the whole friggin thing? Who cares about the Alamo Bowl?
I care, and the fine people along the river walk would like to have a word. I am not huffy taco enthusiasts.
I am not of this mindset that everyone should get the ribbon and be happy with it. I want the trophy, Give me the trophy. I don't think it's fair to start with.
The playoff touchdown. Ty start start easy.
I don't think it's school. I don't think it's cool that places like UCF don't get a realistic chance to play for the crown. They play a lot of the same teams, but they can't play for the crown. I think if you're going to be in that a lot, I don't know if you're going to be an FBS, they should find some way to give everyone a realistic chance to win that one big prize.
But there is one big Prize baseball coach for five years.
A high school baseball coach once said it was the only smart thing he ever said. Only one team should go home happy at the end of the year, and I subscribe to that. That's the way all pretty much all the rest of the speak.
It's such a different setup high school baseball and college football. It doesn't have apples apples one team. One team is your champion. That's what we should be playing four.
I don't like the fact that old school college football was like figure skating. We left it in the hands of judges.
It's content.
I want his content. We are in a content business. You're not wrong about that.
Yeah.
As a fan, though, I want to see it happen on the field. I want it to be determined on the field. If you are champion, I want you to earn it. I don't want it to be voted upon earn it.
If Alabama and Clemson trade off national championships the next five years, will you feel the same way?
Absolutely? Really absolutely.
I could see myself softening on the stance if we get like Penn State, Texas Tech. Uh. I won't say Oregon, but I'll say an interesting Pac twelve team I don't know. Utah is out of nowhere with Andy Ludwig, a team with an amazing offense, and Miami this year wild roller coaster of Butmani Diaz opening year and we get those teams in the playoff also, I definitely will soften.
Let me ask you, let me ask you this, then, okay, let me spin it back around on you.
Yeah.
Your question is if it's the same teams in the National Championship, will I feel differently? What if it were the same situation but we still had the old school bowl system. I'm not talking BCS, but I'm talking old school bowl system. Let's say both Alabama and Clemson remain dominant. They're locked into whatever bowl game they're going to, whatever bowl agreement their conference has, and they're just playing different teams year and in year out. We are still having
this debate about which one is better. Do you think that's fair? Both are presumably in the midst of great dynasties in a college football sense. Yeah, and instead of them playing it out on the field.
Well, they might play it out at the Orange Bowl. Maybe we have an sec ACC game.
All right, Maybe we don't, though, Maybe we're back in this old school dilemma of arguing it out who should be the best team, who should be determined as a number one team? You're cool. I love it.
I want everybody to be a national champion. Yeah, I'm fine with it, I really am. I want January one, I want like twelve enormous bowl games, and I want to have to sort it out on this show for the next eight months.
It would be good content. I'm fine with the content element of this, but as a fan, as a fan, I disagree. I want to see it on the field.
As it stands now, we have one hundred and twenty six teams who are supposed to feel disappointed at the end of the year because they didn't make the playoff. I think that's the wrong way of looking at it.
I don't know, man, I don't know. I am right in tweet us solid verbogmail dot com is the email we're on. We're gonna get like fifty thousand messages about this, Okay, we are. We've done it before. It's gonna happen again.
Ty, here's my final question about this topic. What if it's not about the trophy but the friends we've made a lot. What if I told you I just want I want more days with multiple football games, and this limits things in a way that I don't love what I'm selfishly looking at this from both a content and from a day's worth of enjoyment perspective. Ever, the businessman, because mine's just a TV event. If you want the one true champion, go to sixteen.
I'm fine with that too.
Do it, go to sixteen, go to college campuses. We can have a conversation.
My dogument Dan is that when you pick four teams, you have a better chance of picking the one true champion.
That's fine too. I just don't care about the one true champion, and that could be Oregon, and I don't care. I'd rather have and I've said this to people, Ty, this is how serious I feel about it. I'd rather have three seasons of Oregon winning Rose Bowls with an exciting offense, you know, beating Wisconsin, beating Michigan, beating whoever, Ohio State, Minnesota, Michigan State, you name it, big ten team.
I'd rather have three years of that than one season of Oregon putting it together and winning a national championship and having to deal with the expectations and what the program will have to go through as suddenly a national championship program. I'd rather have the Rose Bull crowns than the National Championship.
Would you rather listen to a podcast with terrible audio quality recorded entirely with blue yetties or usage of blue yetties because some people do it right you?
Okay? Would you rather watch I don't know what show is only okay? Would you rather watch all of the seasons of Alias in eight k or watch the Wire in four y three?
They only shot the wire in four by three? That was okay, four K?
Okay, So we're still talking about the wire or not? Fine, not the Wire but something else recently that's that's been excellent, Veep or Barry or any of those shows, Silicon Valley, I don't know whatever. I'm just naming HBO shows at this point. Brooklyn nine nine, I love all sorts of shows four by three not a great picture, occasional lines adjusting things, or just what was what was the show after loss? That was like a lost rip off that
they tried to do. There's a show on right now where a plane disappeared for five years on ABC.
And Mike Tarico and Doug Flutie were talking it up during the noted in game.
Yes, that is in Manka eleven by one, Dolby whatever, just the most immersive futuristic experience. You get to watch that, you get to watch the Blacklist with that, or you get to watch Sopranos the Wires.
Conversations over Dan.
Four by three exactly, ty exactly, conversation's over. My gavel has been banged.
We're just gonna have to agree to disagree.
I'd say start slow, all right, score a touchdown in the playoff.
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