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get through. Also, of note, we put out the call earlier that we wanted to take your questions again. It's August.
We generally do one or two of these shows, these Q and A type shows per month, and now that we are getting seemingly closer to a season, it's time for us to do previews. Mister Rubinstein, Yeah, we are approaching.
I was gonna say that time, but it's not an annual time that we do this, So yeah, it appears that it's time for us to do so. I'm very excited to dive in the Big twelve is where we're
starting in the Big twelve. As we're recording this later in the week we were recording this early on, they're going to announce more schedule specifics, so we'll be armed with more data to talk about what Brock Purdy has in front of him, or what Sam Ellinger has in front of him, or Keyante Ingram is running into stuff like that. So I'm excited. I am too.
It feels good to actually go in and do a deep dive on some of these teams, so I'm excited. That'll be on Friday that show drops, We're going to start previews, and each of the next what four or five shows after that will also be previews as we build towards again, whatever format this season takes on, we will be with you, cheering loudly, hoping that.
It stays safe and that it's fun. Voice is going up. Got to raise the register here, Dan. It's been a long off season and still an uncertain one at that. Yeah, and I'm excited because obviously timing is pretty variable. We are going to have opportunities as we increase the rate
with which we record to maybe update some previews. A quarterback wins the job, somebody gets hurt, a coach gets fired, another schedule adjustment happens, So we're leaving ourselves some wiggle room given the revised scheduling as it stands August third, today's a third word.
This is going to drop on the fifth, so they could call the whole damn thing off by the time the show drops.
Yeah. I think it's actually good that we make that clear because a lot of news drops every hour right now, be it with players uniting and taking stands and asking a conference for a us min's to how student athletes quote unquote are treated, or with how schedules are revised, or anything coaches made all that they should be. Come on, come on, come on, it's just clear that we're recording
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Oh man, all right, let's get to the actual news here. So you mentioned this at the top, but some news towards the latter half of the week last week and then materialized a little bit more over the weekend. PAC twelve football players are showing unity. They are listing demands in a letter to the conference. The group from multiple
schools they pend a letter. It showed up in the player's tribune, threatening to opt out of fall camp and game participation unless their demands for fair treatment, safety regulations, and concerns over racial justice for college athletes are met
by the conference. The letter is signed by players of the PAC twelve that uses the hashtag we are united to explain their concerns, saying quote, because NCAA exploits college athletes physically, economically, academically, and also disproportionately harms black college athletes hashtag we are you and I had dis garnered a lot of attention over the last few days. Very interested to see where this all goes to what end the PAC twelve and member schools are able to meet
some of these demands. I will say that they waited for the right time to cash in their bargaining chip because right now, with things as uncertain as they are in and around the world of college football, if you've got a workforce quote unquote workforce that just decides, ah, we're good, that would really put things in a bind. So I admire the timing of this for sure.
Oh absolutely no, the organization, the timing, the messaging in large part, and one of the things I think gets overlooked a little bit, this is a negotiation. The grander group of college athletes as a whole don't have representation, so they've banded together in the way that I guess Packed twelve football players can, and that I think it started on Group me, started with some Cal football players
and branched out from there. A lot of pretty well known Packed twelve players were on board with this and shared the messaging yesterday on social media, so it certainly garnered a lot of attention. But yeah, between the health stuff, which all made sense, all of the concerns about safety protocols and health insurance after playing, nothing really all that unreasonable.
Just a tricky situation. Perhaps with some of the revenue ass I think there was an ask for about fifty percent of revenue to be distributed to players and dipping into endowments, which is more complicated since endowments are earmarked for specific things by the people giving the money to save. And we saw Stanford cancel a number of Olympic sports. The social justice, the racial justice stuff all was it
just seemed like a no brainer. Let's listen to pe, Let's create scholarships for low income people more, let's have a more open conversation, more due process. All of these things from a human level all seem like very reasonable, thoughtful asks. One of the I wouldn't say problems is just the revenue thing is tough because college football is built on not handling revenue all that responsibly as it relates to other similar professionalized sports. And so the understanding
I have is it's the beginning of a negotiation. How can we help to distribute revenue with those who help to generate it. And I think that is a reasonable conversation, a reasonable ask, And the hope is that things evolve from a human perspective. You see a lot of people and this is the straw man argument, come out, whether they're in the media, whether they're fans in general. And I don't necessarily think it's a bad faith place I think people like the sport for different reasons, and they
see say, scholarships and room and board as well. I didn't get that they should be lucky that they get that. I don't know if I want to open the can of worms thing about what college ball players do and don't have, but it's clear this season is largely happening for revenue purposes. And the revenue right even a question that football helps to generate and helps to garner. So if that's the case, these players have even more leverage than usual. And we saw I think it was a
top Washington corner Elijah Molden. He shared something and I thought it was very thoughtful. And then Trevor Lawrence, who might be the highest profile college football player on the planet right now, he shared what Elijah Molden had to say. So it seems like you're never going to really get change without a ton of buy in from big names with big platforms, and that's what we're seeing more and more.
So I found it to be fascinating. I really hope for their sake because and this is I think I can speak for you, but I can definitely speak for myself. My favorite thing about college football is watching college football players play college football. So anything that is college football player forward, I'm in favor of. That's my favorite. It's
my literal favorite part, with grilled Mexican food coming shortly thereafter. Yeah, and truly it is the next frontier, Yeah, in college football, the players finding their collective voice about this or something else. We saw it with the nil legislation, which at some point will dive a little bit more into. Yeah, this is the next frontier. Where do you see this going realistically? And is it something that you could see getting worked out or having a like a beta agreement before? I
think it's fall Camp. I think it's the beta agreement.
One of their specific asks was for some sort of task force to help with some of the racial injustice topics that were voice in this letter. That strikes me as a quick win, something that can be organized very quickly and can have great effect. There are other things here that are more systemic, right, Like the whole financial model here is a big deal, right, Yeah, that's a
system upon which the entire sport is built. It's going to take a while to work through the details on that front, but I think if we can get some sort of buy in from member institutions that they're going to work with this group of players. That's where I would expect this to go next.
Yeah, no, absolutely, And there are a number of smart people you can follow on this on social media. I saw Michael Felder, who's terrific. I think he's I don't know if he's Michael Felder in the bleachers on Twitter, but we've been following him forever. He played defensive back at North Carolina and mentioned the facilities thing. Why do exorbitant and beautiful facilities exist. Well, it's sort of a
recruiting arms race. It's to keep players in the facility, watching film, being around other players, buying in and not necessarily becoming full college students. And it's even more recruiting. It's even more recruiting. And so one of the things that the players in the PAC twelve United statement made was we're spending so much money on everything but the
people on the field. And so that's the interesting thing to me is how this changes the bottom line and the spreadsheets across the sport, Because what a Texas spreadsheet, what an Ohio State spreadsheet looks like, is not what a Mountain Union spreadsheet looks like. Is not what a Texas track and field spreadsheet looks like. So it's fascinating to see if this gets at least there's an incremental change that happens in the next month or so before the season starts.
All right, So to pivot off of that, Washington State head football coach Nick Rolovich tells wide receiver Cassidy Woods that joining the Unity group, the one we just discussed, would create now quote an issue. Now, Cassidy Woods called to inform Nick Rolovich that he was going to opt out of the season. He's got sickle cell trade. He would be at an enhanced risk obviously for the coronavirus. No big deal on that front, right, Rolovich told Woods,
No big deal, no problem there. What he would have a problem with is if he opted to be part of the Unity movement, the group that we just discussed, the ones that are threatening to opt out this season. If the PAC twelve does not meet a series of demands. Quote, that's going to be an issue if you align with them. As far as future stuff, Rolovich said, according to the Dallas Morning News, quote the COVID stuff is one thing,
but joining this group, it's going to be different. If you say I'm opting out because of COVID and health and safety. I'm good, but this group is going to change how things go in the future for everybody, at least at our school.
End quote.
That's a really bad look there. Perhaps there is more context that will come out that will make it look better, but call on its face, I'm trying to give folks the benefit of the doubt, but it's hard on its face. That is certainly not a good look for the new head football coach at Washington State.
Mister Rolovic. Yeah, I'm trying to look at this from all perspectives. But the call was recorded. There is a transcript to the call. It's not a terrific look for Nick Rolovich, especially since he hasn't coached a single game or a full spring practice session or full fall camp. He is brand new, and the most important thing if you if you asked any coach about is what is the most important thing when you become a new coach. It's generally you got to win over the locker room
and get buy in. You got to get everybody believing in you, believing in your vision, believing in you as a human and how you are going to day to day. Take this program from A to B and ah, it's rough. It is absolutely rough to start your tenure. Oh and not in Nikrolovitch's defense, but I can see that Nikrolovich is saying, Okay, I need buying. If somebody's opting out, I don't want them at practices. I don't want them
in the locker room. If they're opting out for health reasons, it's for the best that they're not there, perhaps distracting or just sort of on the sidelines.
By the way, Nicole our back our friend, shortly after some of this news broke on Twitter that no, no, this is because of him opting out. He has to leave, he can't practice. That's part of the rules. And more came out after that, the transcript, the recording of the call, etc. And that sort of puts us where we're at right now.
It seems like when we hear about coaches sort of making fools of themselves or the optics are that a coach has made a fool of himself, it seems like he is not there for his players and he's there for him and he's there to be a football coach. And even if that is more true than not, it seems like the best coaches in this situation, and I've
heard about conversations that have happened on multiple campuses. It seems like the best coaches say to their players, Hey, I really I'm interested by the stuff you put out. I just want to let you know I have your back and anything that I can do to clarify anything to be there for you, Send me a text, give me a call. Here's my number. Nick Rolovitch saying we may need you to clear out your locker. It probably could have been handled. It definitely could have been handled better.
And it's and I think it was Beaumonti Jones who said this that Washington State's already a very difficult place to recruit too. It is not a traditional college and college football program that recruits top level talent. It is
not near any big high school talent bases. And so for Nick Rolovich, without having coached a game, to give himself this to self inflict this sort of reputation about not having his players backs and not being able to convey what he's trying to convey in a mature, leadery way, I don't know. I don't know what his long term future looks like. Because it's got to convince parents on the road that you're there for your sucks, bad luck. And how many people knew buck? How many people knew
his name before yesterday? I know how many? I know how many West Virginia fans, how many Miami fans, how many Texas Tech fans? How many Wisconsin fans knew Nick rolovich name before yesterday? And now they know his name? Okay? Staying with the PAC twelve been a busy news cycle out West. They approved on Friday a ten game conference only slate for football. We don't have to spend a whole lot of time on this one. We do have a bunch of questions that we want to get to.
But ten game schedule, conference only beginning on September the twenty sixth, with quote a lot of built in flexibility. Each team's going to play five home, five road games. The PAC twelve championship will be played at one of
the home sites. It's not going to be played in Vegas the higher ranked Yeah, the higher ranked home team either on December eighteenth or nineteenth, they worked out some sort of deal where they're going to start the Vegas game next year, and then games that can't be played on their scheduled dates are going to be made up in one of the bye weeks or in Week twelve, which is the December the twelfth. So you know, whether they could pull it off or not is the operative question.
And as we speak, as I think you said at the top, the Big twelve, trying to work towards their own model, trying to get some agreement there. There's also one yeah, yeah, there's also a big NCAA Board of Governors meeting that's going to drop on Tuesday. So perhaps a lot of this stuff will be irrelevant by the time folks listen on Wednesday morning. But that is a
state of play right now. The only other thing that I'll add here this is just a follow up to a story that we discussed on the last show about Caleb Farley from Virginia Tech the prize defensive back opting out going to focus on the draft. Remember lost a parent two years ago, didn't want to run that risk with another. He also adds that because of Virginia Tech's rudimentary and or non existent health and safety protocols that contributed to his decision as well. Quote this year at
Virginia Tech at our workouts. I started having deep concerns about staying healthy. Guys are going home, going to Myrtle Beach, coming back up to campus. We weren't getting tested. We're all together, working out close to each other. One day I looked around. We were like one hundred deep in our indoor facility, no masks. My concern grew more and more. Yeah, and I don't fault players. I mean, I don't faull Caleb Farley. I don't even fault players for being in
a large group without mass. I mean, yes, they're at fault, But it's the responsibility of the grown ups in the room to be very clear about protocol, to be very clear, like we're not wearing masks, we're not working out. If we're not working out, we're not playing. It's very strange
to me. I think I just came into this with the assumption that, like, oh, all of these major college football programs have the means to convey protocol that anytime you're inside, you wearing a mask, anytime you're practicing, this is what we're doing anytime. This is how we clean up after practice, is how we're dealing with footballs and goalposts or whatever. I guess we're not really touching goalposts
all that much. But for a place like Virginia Tech, if this is true, which I have no reason to believe, it isn't kind of shocking. No, I can understand a tiny school really having trouble keeping up with whether it's a money thing, whether it's a supply thing, a testing thing, whatever. Virginia Tech makes a lot of money, They're an ACC school, They've played in recent huge Bowl games. And if they're not able to get their messaging to their players, I
imagine they're not the only school. I hope they are, because that's extremely worrisome if they are, but or if they're not. But man, this is this is rough. This is this is a I totally get where Caleb Farley's coming from.
We'll see if there are other players, we'll see which direction this al goes. But adding a little bit more insight to his decision, that's all we have for now. There could be more news by the time this breaks. That is sort of the way it goes in the world of podcasting.
We did get a bunch of questions. Would you like to get to those? Yeah, let's get to those. Congratulations, Skippy, you've got mail. You've got mail on the solid verubal generally speaking to about once a month. M hmm. We like to pay homage.
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I don't know however, you get the stuff to us, We do our best to read it good. We received a fantastic question here from Eric. He writes in the email and says, guys, I was wondering if you can help settle a bet something we've done in the past. End Oh, I've seen any reason we can't do it. Here. In twenty sixteen, a friend and I made a little wager basically, will Notre Dame join a football conference before twenty twenty six? We were no more specific. That's more
or less the exact wording. We obviously did not anticipate this situation. So should Notre Dame quote unquote joining the ACC for this season count? That is? Americ Dan, how do you feel? I don'ts bet? Would you count it? I don't know the language that they used. If it's simply will Notre Dame football join a conference before twenty twenty six? Notre Dame has joined the ACC before twenty twenty six. If the wording of the bet is not, will Notre Dame become a full time memory of a conference?
Might be different? That's semantics, right, But the fact is Notre Dame is playing an ACC schedule, is eligible for the ACC Championship game? And how many non ACC opponents is Notre Dame going to play this year? Uh? Maybe one? If things think well, I think I think probably zero maybe one, which is no different than any other ACC team. So I think Notre Dame's an ACC team. I think Notre Dame is an ACC team if there is say full time membership.
Yeah, if there is no legally binding contract containing specific language. If you're being very vague and broad, right, Eric, I think you got to pay out the bet. I don't know which side of this bet you took, mind you, but I think it counts. I think it has to count, right.
Oh yeah? Do you think we got a question on Instagram? Do you think it's you know, more likely that Notre Dame and other independent school's army by you are our big notable ones? You know? Is aremy going to join the American if they ask them to is b why you're going to join the Big twelve or are they going to go back to the Mountain West if they're asked to. Do you think this unique earth situation makes it such that that could happen? I don't know what the output is. I don't know.
I could certainly make a case for it. Here's what I do think. I do think that the sport is fundamentally going to be changed moving forward. Yeah, in many ways that we probably can't predict. But Notre Dame getting this exposure hopping into the acc if only out of necessity for one football season, one shortened football season. There will be some output from that experience that they will find valuable. The whole thing still may not outweigh.
You're such an it guy. There's going to be output, Well, there will be. There will be something that comes to Wait, I was thinking outcomes, but yeah, an outcome, sure, outputs and outcomes. Yeah, there will be some thing that comes from this that I wholeheartedly expect they will be very happy about. Will it be enough to sway them from independence a culture that has permeated Notre Dame for decades?
You know, probably not in the short term. I think what I do think though, I hate when I get permeated by culture.
Are you listen, If you're not making Front of the Globe tomatoes, you're making fun of the permeation.
It's a culture that has permeated Notre Dame for decades. Okay, sorry, scoundrel.
Okay, Well back back to the serious topic of this man, if I could for a second.
I talked about how we're recording this on a Monday. There's a board of governors meeting on Tuesday in the NCAA. I don't know how it relates to Notre Dame or BYU or army.
But if the Board of Governors decides that they're going to cancel the fall Championships, but the Power five somehow finds some way to weasel a season out of the twenty twenty calendar year, that to me would be the first like major major schism between the Power Five the nc DOUBLEA, and it could signify maybe cracks in the foundation, maybe point a little bit more towards that break with one from the other that we talked about with Richard Johnson,
Like could the Power five decide that it's sort of quasi going to break away from the NCAA and run football on its own.
Yeah, it already sort of does. The NCAA is just there for enforcement and eligibility stuff. But in terms of a postseason, in terms of TV deals and exposure, and the conferences aligning to sort of govern everything else, they already kind of had. And I saw people talking about this.
The NCUBLEA answers to its member schools, so anything new that Power five schools would form would be an entity that answers to Power five schools, which is not all that different from the nc DOUBLEA just has a shiny new polish. The way that the college Football Playoff is run by Hutai BCS people, it is indeed Bill is
indeed Bill right. So yes, I could see in regard to this Instagram question, I could see these schools becoming parts of conferences, but only because I think a lot's going to change with the sport in the next year or two, because of whatever it is, PAC twelve players, whatever it is, players becoming more vocal and revenues becoming more obviously in need of a little bit more redistribution.
I think things are going to change now. Notre Dame has the cachet to go about things independently because they are that quote unquote national brand. I'm not doubting it. I just like quoting national brand, and then they can negotiate a TV dealer on their own. I don't think there's a national TV deal available for BYU and Army in the same way on network TV that there is
for Notre Dame. But I think it's interesting. I think it's interesting because we're going to see at some point, whenever it is, TV contracts come up in various conferences. I think gradual reorganization around the reality that college football has in a lot of ways outgrown college. Yeah, and look no further than our current situation to really highlight the weakness in the system, right yeah, yeah.
Jason writes in if the college football season does not happen at all this year, which teams benefit the most, which suffer the most? Consider players in coming outgoing lost momentum, coaches aging, coaches getting another year when maybe they don't deserve it, et cetera, et cetera. Show your work.
I like the end of that. This is this is a Clayhilton question, right, yes, this is the cla This is how Clay Hilton stays at USC until twenty twenty five. What is your answer? Obviously, Clay Helton is a short term winner. He doesn't have to play Alabama. He's given more time to sort of get the USC program in order. From a coaching in personnel and general infrastructure standpoint, and coaches like Clay Hilton, who you know, have been hanging
on whoever that coach is, whoever. You know, a coach maybe coming off of an uncharacteristic bad twenty nineteen that's going to go farther and farther into the rear view mirror, you know, like a Dino Babers at Syracuse, somebody who followed up a pretty exciting year with a disappointing one, you know, not all that challenging conference that. You know, Pat Fitzgerald probably a big winner, you know that even though Northwestern isn't a huge, huge national name, Northwestern had
a pretty terrible year. David Shaw pretty big winner. We're not, you know, thinking about Stanford's disappointing twenty nineteen as much so from an optics standpoint, teams like that from a coach's aging further, I don't know if there's an obvious answer there. I mean, there's no reason to think Nick Saban's retiring because of age. At this point, there's you know,
now Alabama's still getting it done momentum wise. Maybe, I think schools that have a lot of obvious first round, second round picks who are either not going to play because the season isn't happening, or opt out because they don't want to take that chance. High State, Clemson schools like that that I think have a lot like, you know.
If there is no season and you know, I don't know what that means for players like ian Book or in ian Book's type of situation.
It puts schools like.
Notre Dame in a bind where you've got maybe that returning quarterback and who knows what the eligibility thing is, Maybe he wants to take a run at the NFL for so, I mean, who knows you're in Book?
Yeah, of course it strikes me as but you're really coming at me today, You're just is my presence permeating your takes? The snarkiness is permeating the show. Sorry.
I feel for the group of five schools. I think they're the big losers, certainly in the Power five. It's uh going to put you in a bit of a state of financial ruin. That's the oppositor to me.
Schools who have recruited really really well recent and can absorb the loss of newly eligible to the NFL for the NFL Draft players, Your traditional powers, you know, may perhaps coaches in year two who have put together their first real recruiting cycle and so they have their players in the system and have more time to get to know their players and you know, strengths and weaknesses if
there's able to be practiced in some way. I also think big losers are new coaches, because new coaches are desperate to see what they have with their players and to see what the new school is like, and just to to get out on the field and make sense of everything in either a year zero or a year one situation. Those are, you know, Mike Norvell at Florida State.
I was going to say, yeah, yeah, let yeah, all these guys, those are those are big losers who are and it's champing at the bed I learned, But you can also say chomping at the bed to just know what they have, know what it's like to be a head coach for these guys. Those are those are some pretty big losers there This is a fun question.
It's from Dan, and then beneath Dan is one from Dave. So we've got Dan and Dave coming back to back here.
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If there is spring football, how will we designate the twenty twenty one spring and fall seasons? Twenty one A and twenty one B, twenty twenty one and twenty twenty one Dash two Judgment season twenty one A New Hope in twenty one, the season Strikes Back twenty twenty one, Excellent Adventure in twenty twenty one Bogus Journey.
This is a fantic question. Yeah, it's I mean, it's just going to be Spring twenty one, Fall twenty one. It's just gonna be a semester type thing I would imagine, So I would say twenty twenty one spring semester, Fall semester.
But let's get creative with this, Dan, you know, like you've done the acc fatlantic m hmm. We've come up with great names like Duke of Hazzard, Alan Wizard. Right, there's a creative outfit here.
Spring forward fall back. I was thinking something like that, got to incorporate the spring in the fall. Yeah, I think daylight savings is a sham. We've all watched VEEP. We know. Sure. Okay, so you're talking spring and fall seasons and how we go about I mean spring break. What is a good idiom with fall? By the way, if we have a season, you're in this fall break too. Yeah, there is a fall break. But if we have a season in the spring and it ends after six weeks,
that's a spring break. B R A k E. Because pcast tie right, I'll give it some more thought. You can let us know how. It's weird. It's hard to imagine they'd have a spring, a full spring, and a full fall season. It's hard to imagine they would say, yeah, we're gonna need you to play to some teams. I don't twenty eight games, twenty nine games in twenty that's a lot to ask. That's a lot to ask guys to just take a summer off and not have a
full offseason. And what that does to recruiting and official visits and signing classes. I don't know. I think it's if anything is going to happen. I think it'll be an attempted fall season. If it doesn't happen, it doesn't happen, and then they're going to try again in August of next year if they really feel good about like a Banger's only five game schedule in April May, I can understand having five and then a full season in the fall.
Beyond that it's too far to ass Then you're going to see a lot more PAC twelve Players United, ACC Players United, Mountain West Players United. All that's going to start up to really come into play. I mean, we saw what happened when what the NFL tried to add one more game and what the players union push back on. So and I understand why they didn't want her two more games. Whatever, I think it's gonna get pretty dicey, all right, So we don't I'll think on names till
got to think on this. We'll put this out there, maybe on social media. That'd be a good one. Dave, staying with the subject of playing games in the spring, could we get a non traditional champion if they even have a playoff or BCS style champion. This is an interesting question to me.
Dan, you know it's not likely it's the same teams playing most of the same teams, right, they're just confining it a little bit more to conference. But I'll harken back to something I said on the last show. Without the non conference games, typically you would use those just to get a check on where teams are relative to one another. It's much tougher to compare conferences if you
don't have the non conference games. So without that, in lieu of that, again, it is Barry Alvarez or people like Barry Alvarez in a room arguing about it, and that to me seems like a great recipe for some weird stuff to happen. Now, it is going to be tough to leave the big guns out, the Clemsons and the Ohio States and certainly the Oklahomas, right.
But it stands to reason.
I think if it were going to happen at all, and if we were going to have a weird like odd ball team that works their way into the playoff, this would sort of be the year that it would happen because everything that we'll have to go on will be much more of a limited sample size.
What if hear me out, what if we in the way that there are different cups right in European Soccer.
There are different tournaments and even though you didn't win the Champions League, you won euro or FA or what right, So what if any way that we've ever determined a national champion is brought back, And especially if there's no college football playoff and the season just ends after conference championship games and we have three ten and zero teams and two nine and one teams, and then in the G five level we've got a couple undefeated teams and it's like wow, I mean, this is the American was
really tough this year. This you know, Houston has to be given consideration. ECU has to be considered given consideration. Whatever I think we have a BCS champion, I think we have we don't have a college Yeah, let's call it a college football national College fotball playoff national champion. That's just determined by the playoff committee. There's no actual playoff. It's just a playoff committee champion. There is a college coalition champ. So whoever would have won the Orange Bowl
or something that year. There is every single way that you know, there's an AP champion, there's a coaches champion, every single way. Everything has to be fully transparent, and we just have like seven national champions. Seven national champions. Wow, yeah,
all right, why not? I mean, it's it's such a weird, like to just say, Okay, Alabama or Georgia or Ohio State went undefeated and they had the best margin of victory and it was clear that, you know, they were a class above in a way that no other team was a class above. They're the national champion as boring, Ty, I don't like that. I don't like that at all. So I I'd like it to be uh, sort of
more up in the air. I think that's the way to go, because it's such an up in the air season, you might as well make the national champion.
Weird Patrick, Who are your top five running backs going into the twenty twenty season?
Hm? Question? I did some resun for this, Ty, so did I.
Travis Etn is my alpha. A close second is Chewba Hubbard. After that, I have a little bit more trouble. After that, I start looking at guys like Kennedy Brooks.
I start looking at your boys. CJ. Verdell, my boy, Jerny Brown's the name I wrote down, Yeah, Kylon Hill, I have Hawkins from He's pretty good. I have Najie Harris, I have Kante Ingram performed well against good teams, Jerry and eally Ole miss now So certainly wasn't a workhorse last year. But the best of Jerry and Eely was really strong. It's a good I mean, I don't like putting freshmen on this level yet. We'll see what happens. At Georgia was Amir White, who's finally hopefully healthy. Man.
This will be I feel like I'm generally more excited about a returning CJ. Verdell was good and had some really nice long runs, but also some more inconsistent play earlier on in the season. Mostly I think Stanford and Auburn were not great. But yeah, I don't feel like I'm as excited about the running back class going into the season as I normally am. I don't know, Maybe I'm just I'm forgetting a lot of guys. We'll see Trace sarmon Ohio State, Yep, yep, Arbone.
I am not that excited about the quarterback class. To be honest with you, I'm okay with the quarterback class. We had Justin Fields and Trevor Lawrence.
There. It all starts with Chase Garber's for you.
Sure, then after Justin Fields and Trevor Lawrence, who's like your third best quarterback in college football?
Oh? McHale, obviously, what are you talking about.
That's a question, who's your third best quarterback? Mckail Cunningham, that's your answer? It might be I like mckail cunningham. Excuse me, nothing but really good?
No. I think it's a fascinating here. So okay, here's why it's fascinating. So we've seen a lot of very very good sam Ellinger and seen some unfortunate sam Ellinger. But we know him, We're familiar with him. We know what the Sam Ellinger experience is about, and I'm happy to have another year with it. Maybe not all Texas fans are with some of his not his fun game. I think he's underrated. Spencer Ratler is exciting to me
because he should. We've seen Oklahoma track record. He should have a good year.
Okay, hold on, mister permeation, Wait a set. Okay, the question was about top five running backsh and.
I shifted it to like top whatever quarter I'm Spencer Rattler in that I'm not saying I'm saying I'm more excited about the quarterbacks in the twenty twenty season. I'm not saying these are my top five, but I'm saying, as a general rule, the running backs that we know about and potentially we're going to see step into a bigger role. It's there are some years where quarterbacks are not that interesting. I think with what's happening at big school.
So you have Mac Jones and Bryce Young at Alabama, so a more veteran, steady hand and then the promising freshman. We've seen that situation with Alabama before. Recently, Clemson's all set, Ohio State's all set. But Oregon Joe Morehead, Tyler Shuck I think is interesting. Washington is wide open. Chase Garber's I mean, everybody on the West Coast that talks about back twelve football will say, well, he's never lost a
game that he played all of in twenty nineteen. The city, you know, Keaton Slovas I think is probably worthy of top five quarterbacks in the country consideration. I think so, Yeah, I would agree with that. Yeah, I think across the sport there's I think there's more intrigue than there is proven and reliable. But it's interesting to me and in normally yours in normal years, when you've got that kind of uncertainty at the quarterback position, you get some wild results. Yeah, truely absolutely.
Yeah, I don't know, and so I I sort of share your curiosity around the quarterback position. But in terms of like guys that we could really hang our hat on outside of Justin Fields and Trevor Lawrence, maybe Sam Howell and Keaton Slovas Sam Ellinger, like outside of a very small select group, there really is a lot of uncertainty there.
Hat hanging is overrated. Wild cards, Tie, wild that's underrated. All right, give me some non football. We got time for like three or four? Uh wow, Okay, So this I'm gonna be selfish about this one, both because I think there's people are either in their homes and they're just really making the most of their time at home during this time, or perhaps there's some movement happening, you know, you're moving closer to family during this time or whatever.
So Tie, specifically, this is a question from Tyler, and it's probably for you. Tips for moving to a new house beyond hydrating and stretching, which are both very important, I would say maybe maybe take Adville ahead of time before you move pieces of heavy furniture. Ty, I'm about to move into a rental house. Yeah, you recently purchased a house and moved in from not that far away.
If you had to give everybody listening tips about what to do when moving into a new house, both the physical move and what you should do once you're already settled, what would they be As for the physical move?
If you can afford to get movers. Oh yeah, if you can afford to get movers, that's a pro.
Tip right there. Okay, I appreciate that we have. You do have movers. We do excellent.
So that's a huge relief right there. The second thing that I would say moving into a new house is get intimately familiar with some of the di y YouTube tutorials.
Oh good, call.
I have learned more about amateur plumbing odds and ends around the house. Have really tried to stay away from the electrical, but most other stuff. YouTube has been a godsend.
What did you have to buy the most of because you moved in from like a townhouse situation to a full on house an foa I did? Yeah, what were the big purchases early on? Well, the big purchases.
Is that we we needed we we didn't we didn't have enough furniture because we moved into a bigger place and uh, you know, yeah, we we had some empty rooms here, so trying to figure out what goes where and how some of our old stuff would fit in with the new place. That that led to a lot of furniture purchases.
Your big arm R guy me huge arm or guy. You know that about everybody knows that. About timebody knows that, pa, and it's on my Twitter bio.
Yeah, I I The furniture thing kind of caught me off guard, and so yeah, I would say if you do the movers, do the movers. Otherwise, get get familiar with the YouTube DIY section and uh, you know, be prepared to try out some new stuff. Don't do anything crazy like try to fix your own garage door. I tried that and almost killed my stone.
Don't do that. That sounds dumb.
Don't don't try that. There's a lot of tension there. Please don't try that. But as for things like amateur.
Plumbing and you know, just play it by your and don't overextend yourself if it looks too difficult. Do you have like a checklist of when, especially because I'm living in cold weather, which like when valves need to be looked at, making sure water hasn't gone into a basement, making sure pipes don't freeze. Do you have a checklist? You're like, Oh, it's getting a little cold. I have to do like a a once over of the old house,
ARU and stuff like that. Well, we have the heating and cooling guy who comes twice a year, okay, and that's on a schedule as long as you pay your bill, right, Okay, No big deal there. Most of the other stuff is sort of as you need it, okay, and sometimes it's not always apparent when you need it. That's something that I think you'll learn as to you as you get a house. But I got to get a grill that ideally has a gas line hook up. I don't know if you have a recommendation. And I'm speaking to both
of you and anybody listening. I don't need a huge grill. It's just me and solid wife Jody with an eye. Sorry, Kate's solid wife. It's just me Jody with an eye and the solid a toddler. But don't need a huge one. Don't need a smoker, but it'd be nice to have a quality one that that gets hot, can can make all sorts of meats and vegetables on it. That'd be great. Got some patio furniture coming, Yeah, we could talk. We can talk about this, all right. I was excited. I
need a Pellett girl, tie, What do I need? Pellet grill? Gotta get gotta get a gas grill. Man. Well, I guess if I'm getting natural gas line girl, I don't need a pellet girl. But yeah, all right, I figure that out. So yeah, I'm gonna pre Advil. I think that's big Advil. Not a sponsor, but heavy usage. Next question, James says, when you close your eyes and say the phrase college football Saturday, Yeah, college football Saturday, what do
you visualize? Uh? Right now? Is how you're interpreting this. I guess so more missed moments bea of child care, which is fine, love the solid toddler, but that's different. And I suppose more room because I'll be in a house college football Saturday. When I close my eyes, I feel that Crisp bear. Did you mount your TVs? By the way, No, I didn't have you ever mounted a TV?
I have?
Yeah, I could help you with that. Did you do it? So? I'm not worried about the actual process. I have a sixty five inch TV. I don't know, it's probably ways forty pounds or so. Did you do it solo? Did you do it with the help of a friend? Did you hire somebody to do it for you? No? I did it with the help of a friend. Okay, that's what that's my gut. Yeah. Yeah, but you could do it with Jody with it eye, you just know a
couple pro tips for how to get that thing mounted. Okay, the brackets are already there, so that that part's that You're fine? Oh okay, then you're fine. Done? All right, Dan, Where do we want to go next? Give me a question, Well, you didn't technically to the truffle oil or Cajun seasoning and tots or fries question, I'll go tots or fries. So which one? If you'd rather eat truffle oil, Cajun seasoning solo or tots and fries. Would you prefer a truffle oil on a tot or fry cajun?
I don't even know what a truffle oil is, So you know what truffle oil is I have no idea Cajun seasoning.
Truffles are similar to mushrooms. I know that, but I've never had truffle oil. I think you have. So you're saying Cajun season what fries are tots? I'll do tots same. I'm right there with you. Okay, let's go to another question. Got at we got actually have a bunch of good ones. You want to go to Brandon Cavanaugh? Sure, I'm gonna I'm going to revise his question because I don't know enough college football players personally and about their personalities as much.
Let's say a documentary is being put together about how college football players are training, slash live their lives during the pandemic. Name five current players you'd like to see profiled in a documentary. I'm going to revise this tie. If you could pick any one position to have a different player playing that position at five different schools profiled. What position on the football you know you want five quarterbacks? Do you want a documentary following around quarterbacks? I feel
like that's been done so many times. I say definitely not. Yeah, quarterbacks are going to self aware largely, and they're trying to just have good pr about them.
Give me wide receivers. Wide receivers, you get a pretty good spectrum. You'll get the short like jitterbug types like ron Dale.
Moore who can do everything. You'll get the big dogs. Yeah, but is he a good documentary fodder? Is he funny dishes? Is he funny friends? I don't know that about any of these guys, do you right? You know, I think these guys wide receivers. I think there's a natural confidence to a lot of wide receivers. Sure, and you have to have a self assured nature you're going across the middle,
So yeah, I think that's right. I think my answer is probably going to be either offensive tackle or defensive tackle, because those dudes they're both valued because they play incredibly important positions. So there's going to be a certain degree of confidence and self assuredness to them as well. But also they're navigating a world that they're not necessarily built
to because they're huge. You know, the college apartments aren't necessarily built for huge dudes, and so I think a lot of them have to develop a sense of humor about themselves. So I'm going to go with with the large men here. A lot of eating I think I think that's the way to go. Ty, I'll go wide out.
Give me ron Dale Moore, Tyland Wallace for show Bateman, I'm on rass Saint Brown.
And Chris Olave. I have no idea if that would be interesting, but thank you. I'm just going large dudes, Large dudes. Two more questions here from the non I mean I liked watching Marvin Wilson. I think Marvin Wilson be my list. You see Martin Wilson be fun? Yeah, he'd be fun. Any other question? Oh, this one. I thought it's it's a football question, but I thought it was fascinating. Ty, we can end with a football question.
Surprise on topic question from the Rexologist. Then, if you saw via Twitter, I believe on sports Wars shout out sports Wars available via Wondering, you spoke about how one of Oklahoma's biggest moments in the Texas Oklahoma rivalry was when they started getting recruits from Texas for other cross state rivalries. What does a more quote program foundation event look like? And this person says the bias would be Minnesota, Wisconsin with any is good? So what what do you
just in general? What to you has swung shifted program success level. What are those big moments that you know, Oklahoma recruiting Texas players and building in roads in Texas is going to be huge. What to you and I don't you don't need to be specific, but what sorts of events permeate successfully growing programs.
Non conference matchups something that we will likely be without this year, that exposure.
But do you think, like one, yeah, I guess in the case of Boise State, that's true that they raise their profile to such a crazy degree with you know, Georgia and Virginia Tech and Oregon.
I think non conference matchups can play a part. I certainly think the postseason can play a part as well, even though those games maybe don't mean as much if you're not in the playoff for one of the big Bowl games. But you know, you're really ultimately talking about exposure. What can get you exposure, what can put you on the map, And if you take down a giant, I think, I think that's a seminal moment, that's an important thing.
So I would throw that in there as well. I would also add, you know, I know it's probably not totally applicable for a school like an LSU or an Oregon because they are already among the most prominent college football programs. But if you can get like a sweet news hit about facilities or uniforms, just something that's novel and new and potentially very interesting to incoming recruits, I think that's interesting.
That's a moment.
Yeah, that's a pr hit as opposed to like something that's earth shattering. But it's a tiny little moments like that that can eventually add up and make your program I think more appealing to some of.
Those those top level recruits. Yeah, I think all those are right. I think systems become really important in terms of defining programs and raising profiles. We saw what happened with you know, Florida under Steve Spurrier, or you know the military academies running the option, and you know, it establishes a reputation, it establishes an identity. You know, if I'm going to use an Oregon example, it's having a miracle season the way that Oregon did in nineteen ninety
four where they go to the Rose Bowl. They eventually get spanked by Penn State, but that raised Oregon's profile and it got the attention of Phil Knight, built them an indoor practice facility after Mike Blotti was like, okay, what can we do? And then Nike became more involved with Oregon, and obviously the branding of the uniforms and the flashy style and the coaching hires that becomes big.
I think continuity with coaches. You know, we still associate Kansas State with Bill Snyder, right because he's recruiting junior college players. They're beating teams with more resources and it's just scrappy Little Manhattan, Kansas, Kansas State, you know, beating Giants, beating Oklahoma, beating Texas, and it's the continuity of a
Bill Snyder program. We saw it with Bobby Bowden at Florida State and Joe Paterno at Penn State, where it's just like, Okay, the identity is tied to these coaches, and you know what you're getting when you watch a Penn State team from the sixties, seventies, eighties, nineties or a Florida State team in the nineties. I think conference membership becomes a pretty huge change for teams. You know what.
You know, Utah was considered to be and TCU was considered to be in West Virginia, and you know this movement around conferences I think is a pretty huge deal in terms of perception and identity and success in general, and so force of personality among coaches I think is big. You know, Minnesota I think was in need probably of a reboot, and PJ. Fleck has done it so far. Really interesting, fascinating, successful job in Minneapolis. So I think there are a lot of a lot of it goes
to coaches, but having those magical seasons. I think if you think about Northwestern football and what they did in the what mid nineties really has still to this day set the tone of Northwestern as like a scrappy, winning, well put together program, I think that's I think it's you know, a lot is tied back to coaches, But when you have those singular events, like you talked about that big win, that big moment that you know, we're still talking about Boise State in two thousand and seven,
We're still talking about, you know, the giant Killers and the trick plays of Boise State, those become seminal foundational moments that define a program sort of almost in perpetuity.
Yeah, Well, the Statue of Liberty play, I mean we went back, we we talked about that.
Game right, and it was ultimately a big old exhibition game. But Boise had been building to that moment for years and look, it was a great game. If it weren't such a great game, maybe we're not talking about it, maybe it doesn't have that kind of outsized impact all these years later. But fun game to watch and it definitely helped put Boise on the map. Final question here, I got one more question. Yeah, this is from Cody. Next year, my wife and I will celebrate ten years
of marriage. In the early days, we hash out a contract that allowed each person full control of what's on the TV during a certain part of the season. Obviously, I negotiated for college football season. This was a loose agreement early on, but became more formalized as the years had passed. It includes addendums for bowl season, if my team reaches the playoffs, and the off season things like
the draft, National Signing Day, et cetera. During the season, I'm able to watch whatever games I want, knowing that in the off season I get no say. With lots of reality TV during her time, I've learned about this tie continue with the season starting later and still possibly on the brink of being canceled altogether. What suggestions do you have for what I should do slash watch during my time? Should I ask for an addendum because of
the pandemic and if so, what would that be? Any other thoughts or suggestions, Cody, this is a hell of a question, sir. First off, congratulations on ten years or oh yeah, coming anniversary? I want marriage suggestions from the man who said maybe be passive aggressive about the dog sleeping in your bad as your big power tip. Much to our friend Andy Wall's horror.
Again, the snarkiness permeates that side of the conversation.
It's the new Chicago. Would you like to tell me all the answers here? Or do I get a say? No? You know why, sir, let's hear what you got. Okay, So, if you're claiming saturdays during the college football season, you're claiming fifteen saturdays. You know, perhaps you're only really watching TV at night and on weekends. That's my assumption. Not a lot of people spend all day watching TV on a random Thursday. So if the full season is canceled, I say you just keep those saturdays to watch what
you want to watch. And if there's if you can't think of anything that fills out your complete fall run of Saturdays. Just take some my ouse, just say, you know what, I'm going to take half of these for shows I want to watch, and then I'm going to take half of these. We I'm going to take a quarter of these for shows I want to watch, and then I'm going to pull these forward to the spring. I'm going to defer, and you know I'm not going to take I'm not going to make the decision at
opening kickoff. I'm going to defer till the spring. I think that's an option you have. I would say, do a lot of research about shows that you've heard are good. Maybe you watch the pilots yourself. You're like, I've always heard Fargo is good. I've always heard The Wire is good. I've always heard, you know, Breaking Bad is good, Insecure
or whatever. Always heard these shows are great. What about watching all of or some of the pilot and it's like, you know what, I'm not going to waste my pick on this show because it turns out I'm not into it at all. And so that's the way you go. You got to do your own scouting, is what I'm saying. You got a pilot Scout pilot Scout, Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. I mean, I'm sure you have shows. Ty, do you
have a show right now? You're like, I'd really like to watch that, but I'm not sure about the old Kate taste.
Kate's not into not into billions. I've gotten into billions, not into billions, Succession. I haven't gotten into Succession yet. Now do you think she would like to know anything about Succession?
Really about it? Ty bars on the floor, Ty, you need to watch Succession, even if it's does she go to bed earlier than you sometimes not all the time? Take a take a late time night and watch the pilot of Succession. There's only two seasons. I think there's only ten episodes in each season.
I would tell this gentleman here on the floor. I would tell this gentleman here that, uh, if you can defer to springtime, you know, provided there is no season, that's got to be your first move. And you know, I say that with the recognition of the fact that it could overlap some of the reality TV stuff, Like I don't know what the state of production is in the reality TV universe, but my guess is it's not doing great at the moment, so.
Well, I think there's a backlog problem.
Whether it's a bad I don't know what the deal is there, But my only point is that you could have some overlap and that could make things interesting if you push it off to the spring. I would probably just go on like Netflix right now and just find stuff that you're both into and just stick with that.
That's the problem, though, That's that's the tough one. Yeah, Like I want to watch an episode about Wahawk and street food of some food show on Netflix and Jody with and I wants to watch Lennox Hill and people like die of brain surgery and the emotions that go along with that. That's not how I want to spend my time, but I do it sometimes, and it's it's
what was the last show? I won't I won't tell her ty, what was the last show that you watched that you weren't into but you watched it because you're part of a partnership. I mean, that's most of the shows, Dan, I'm not gonna lie. Just give me the show. I'm not going to say anything. I'm not sensing it that loud. It's most of the shows. Okay, what which one was? Was truly pulling teeth.
I forget the name of this movie, Dan, but it was about like a weird cult in Norway and they were cannibals. And Kate was like, oh, I heard this is really good. It was like something summer I forget s O M M. I R very strange movie.
Not for me. She thought it was terrific. I was like, A, I don't know about this. What I think is going to happen. By the way, is I think a lot of shows that were too bad to get picked up and purchased and they're just sitting on a shelf somewhere. Netflix is like floor is Lava? Okay, summer summer mid s O M mar excuse me? Okay, yeah, mine was probably lenox l weird flick just didn't want to watch.
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