The World Is On Fire!

Hey! Are you listening? Good. Now that we have your attention, welcome to... Drumroll, please. The Snap! A podcast by me, your host, Katie. And me, your host, Ainsley. Just two girls in their 20s here to bring you a female-centric girl math tone to the Bitcoin, Noster, and value-for-value music space. As artists living in Nashville, we got tired of screaming into the void and tiptoeing around a broken music industry. Looking for a new way forward, we came across this space.

And thought, why not give it a try? In this podcast, we'll deconstruct what traditional success in the music industry has looked like so far. How that definition is changing. And where the space comes in. We'll break down all of the big happenings in both the music and Bitcoin worlds, how they mix. We'll fangirl over our favorite music in the value-verse, as well as prop up amazing voices that have yet to be heard. We're so glad you're here. So let's get to it.

Hello. Hello, everyone. We're back. We're back. You almost us. I know you did. I'm like the three people listen to us that aren't our moms. Shout out, you guys. We love you very much. Shout out. Shout out, you guys. What was your week? My week was good. A little bit eventful. I've been working a lot. And then because of working a lot and kind of just doing a lot of things, spreading myself a tiny bit too thin, I got sick.

um and i i haven't been that sick in a while like i'm the type of person that gets very sick once or twice a year and like i'll have allergies but otherwise nothing really puts me out yeah um this time i was on the couch for like three days real which yowzas and then nobody could cover my shift and so I tried to go in got sent home early um it wasn't as easy as that but here we are um and then I am moving into a new place so exciting yeah it's beautiful so I've been moving

boxes and I got all of my clothes put in trash bags and got it all over there so like hot pink trash bags too I want to see these trash bags that you keep talking about you know um it looked like I was taking out like just a huge pile of trash and um to my car that I was lugging in my Uline little dolly um wagon uh thing that I've had since freshman year of college that has lasted no she she really comes in handy oh my gosh um yeah so I got all those trash bags very hot thing

trash bags on that load I was very much trying to get the wagon out of my door so I live in an apartment complex and my wagon is as wide as my door and my hallway is just a little bit wider so getting the wagon full out of my door into the hallway turned to go to the elevator is a feat six point turn it is it is a six point sometimes ten point turn it is it's a fun one and in that process I was very consumed with getting it out the door that I got out the door yay no keys

that'll do it um so because my apartment system works with a fob and not like a regular key i have to leave my dolly full of clothes in front of my apartment door and walk well ride the elevator all the way down to the bottom get somebody and say hey I locked myself out could you please unlock the door for me and then ride the elevator up I get let in get my keys and then I can bring all my stuff to my car that adds like a whole 10 minutes to this process to which I'm already like annoyed with

I would be annoyed too and because I've been moving that whole day and there's a different thing with getting into the new place and so all in all the joys of moving and that's really the thing that has consumed me for the past few days exactly have you ever been locked out before yes I've been locked out it's happened once or twice kind of same sort of thing I was carrying

in groceries and I went down to get another load got down there and realized that I didn't have my keys it's like and not only do i not have my apartment key or my car key because they're all on the same key chain um so then i have to go back down and go back up to my apartment get my keys for my car go back down to my car to get the next load yeah so it's always a time yeah and like there's been another time where i got locked out on the way back from work and it

is like 11 p.m and technically they're supposed to charge you if it's after like 8 p.m like 100 bucks we're getting locked out yeah because then you've quote unquote technically lost your key or it's like a let in fee oh um but i've always been pretty chill with the guys downstairs so i'm like hey so we're talking me how's it going what's up team you know the girl that gives you a slider every once in a while can I can I ring those in I saw this video um the other day I was talking

about how it was a video of like a couple of oh you remember how 90s kids used to get locked out of their houses and you had to like slide in through some weird little crevice I was like that wasn't even 90s kids yeah I remember one time I walked home from school when I was in middle school and okay to a couple of different facets to this I had gotten locked out and I don't even really remember how I did it but I had to climb onto the roof go and nobody was home I had to

climb onto the roof sneak over the balcony and go in through my parents balcony door that like I kind of forgotten that this happened to me until I saw that video the other day I was like oh but the thing is I felt so cool and crazy because I was so not allowed to go on the roof I did it anyways that was literally the only rebellious thing I ever did in my life and the only reason it was like really rebellious was because at the time my dad was in fall protection he was like you

are not going up there without a harness I'm like watch me I need to get back in I really have to go to the I did I really had to go to the bathroom and I was like I my parents aren't gonna be home for a while the front door is locked the back door is locked the studio is locked I am getting up like I think what I did was we had a wooden door fence that went from our house to like the next door neighbors.

So I think I climbed up on the tiny little ledge of the fence and then went all the way around and, you know, snuck in. Oh, my gosh. So, yeah. But I haven't gotten locked up. The adventures. You didn't have like an extra key under a rock or? I don't think so. Gotcha. And I think it was before it was, I think it was right around when we'd moved into that house. And so we hadn't gotten it changed to the electric ones where it was the number where you could just get in.

I think that's why I had to, I had to get in. Yeah. That's, that was like in the deep recesses of my memory. Like, you know how you get those memories sometimes and you're like, oh, I haven't thought about that in years. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Oh my. I was talking to my mom. We were, cause we've had different landlines growing up.

You still have landlines? So, technically, yes. My parents' house in Vermont still has a landline phone. Love. And the only way that I can get in touch with them when they're in Vermont is the landline phone. Or I call, because... Do their cell phones not work when they're there? Their cell phones work, but... Bad reception. Cell reception is few and far between. And it's just not reliable at the house. So it's not, it's just way easier to call on a landline.

And whenever they go back to Vermont, it's normally because they're going back to go to the company that they used to work for in and around to like answer questions if there's a big job, like all of that sort of things.

and so I know when they go back they're either in one of two places they're at home or they're at work yeah and because I've been calling there since I was seven years old I just call the number and I go like whoever answers I'm like hey can I talk to Brian is Sandra in the office can I speak to the manager well and every now and then somebody knew would answer the phone oh really and I would say hi can I speak to blank and they'd say well no they're busy right now and

I was like well they're not going to be busy for me and they would be like well no they're they're pretty busy and I was like okay can I talk to and I would say like a different manager they'd say well how do you know them and I was like can I just can I just talk to them please and and I would finally get through to them and then they would patch me to my parents and they the person would never get in trouble obviously because they don't know that i'm their daughter like and how would

you expect them to know like that's such a 2000s boss ass movie thing and so then i would go in and i would recognize the name and see that person and i'd be like hi hello and just wave it's me um but on the subject of landlines that my adhd is wild right now guys i'm so sorry um i'm entertained by it but i'm glad somebody else oh i'm here i'm here for the side tangents but on the subject of landlines that was i've had landlines memorized from a very young age i've had my parents

numbers memorized from a very young age yeah my parents numbers are the only two numbers besides my own that i know off the top of my head right but i still i still have my childhood friends landline number memorized because we called each other on landlines oh that's so cute yeah and we and it was always the same number like the pattern is stuck in my head yeah but be a good like bank password right I mean and my my old school's lunch number from you do that too yeah I have my in

Florida we called it the end numbers so I have my end number that and my pin number that I still remember which like I'm not telling any y'all what that is no I'm like that that thing is old yeah old as old as me public school in vermont bad thing has been with me for a while yeah um but i remember the rhythm of mine too because it was always just so easy to remember like

yeah yeah so i mean we always had to memorize numbers um all of that is to come to my boss child i was talking to her and i was like you don have your parents numbers memorized and she was like no they were just added as a contact that is gonna get you in trouble somewhere rewind pause also your parents never made you memorize their phone number yeah how are you gonna get in touch with them well they've had a phone since they were five true but what happens when the apocalypse happens

or if your phone dies there's no nope then you're on your own like survival skills of a cucumber like i i don't what so that's something that i'm seeing lately with a lot of younger kids is like they don't know their parents numbers they've been added as a contact since they were three four or five years old yeah they've never had to memorize that yeah I should ask my my cousins that my cousins are um like they're kind of they're in middle school um like 12 13 so like

significantly younger than I am right now and they've had you know phones since they were however young and I'm gonna see them in a couple weeks I'm gonna ask them that I'm like do you know what your mother's phone number is yeah that's because that is that's gonna give me existential dread when people say well huh right scary what yeah like what do you mean you don't huh i think that's also potentially because it's only child the only child right so those are our people our

only people in the world right that's why you memorize those right so it could also be that we didn't have a sibling that was picking us up from school yeah or a sibling that went to the same school as us or did the same sports or was doing the same sort of extracurriculars so there wasn't somebody close to our age that we could just kind of run to or grab yeah so therefore we always had to have our parents numbers memorized so i mean that's also something to think about

absolutely no and it makes a ton of sense weird but we had a crazy week in the world

yeah this week i mean speaking of memes and different things there are so many things this week that i saw that i was so confident were ai yeah until i looked it up and i was like oh shit which that's another thing that like makes me kind of fearful for like the future of technology right now because up until this point we've been able to kind of like tell our parents or our grandparents no that's ai yeah and now it's getting to the point that we can't

even recognize what ai is sometimes that's scary the theory that i love what if we could never tell in the first place and ai was put out to kind of oh we're getting better scary scary terrifying um i don't know just those oddball things but which like nepal yeah crazy what's going on there in four days in four days did people our age overthrow a government make sure that his disabled wife was taken to a hospital cleared the streets elected a new official over discord

and a female official by the way and reinstituted the country in four days are you what and we can't even get our shit together over here like four days yeah that's wild also the videos have you seen the video of a tourist bus going through a tourist bus going through nepal no i haven't so there was a video of i don't want to say what type of nationality because i don't want to be wrong um but there was a tourist group going through nepal that

was literally driving by as they're writing the capitol building and the protester whoa the protesters stopped let the bus pass as the bus is passing the tourists are giving all the protesters thumbs up the protesters let the bus pass fold right back in behind it and go back about the business but they stopped while the tourist bus was going through to let it pass safely i know i didn't see that wow isn't that crazy that's wild because it's like we don't have any

problems with you we don't have any qualms with what y'all are doing yeah we have problems with them and i just thought that was such a good metaphor also like like the world right now um trump being in britain oh my and all nobody gives a single truck about the windsor castle merch crazy did you see that they projected an entire like a whole picture of them together did you see that they put that same picture out on the front lawn they're my heroes they are my

actual heroes like oh like truly i love a comment that i saw because i've seen those videos too a comment that i saw and it was like thank you so much for having our back sorry about the tea no tea's on us next time like whoa the history nerd yeah crazy crazy um or like the paul revere beams of everything that's going on yeah sound the alarms yeah um what else there's so much going on france having a no confidence vote having a government collapse like is every government ever like on the verge

collapse right now um meetings in doha because israel keeps on striking everyone not just palestine anymore venezuela declaring war on the u.s yeah like it's exhausting to be a human and see all of this bad shit happening and the worst part is we're such an unserious generation yeah that when talking about it like the venezuela war quote unquote the comments that i'm seeing are like guys read the room this isn't the time right now or um or come on really or

pinky flick like bro i mean i get humor as a coping mechanism like the red like the next person does but or i mean speaking of memes how a famous political figure was shot and one of the bullet casings read if you read this you're gay lmao crazy like god like this is what type of simulation is this i i had a thought the other day and this is a hot take and people aren't gonna like this one if jesus comes back that is my confirmation that it's a simulation because

i'm walking because walk with me here as somebody who didn't grow up religious i'm walking with and we could cut this because this could be a little bit too out there but because in in what in what way are we told from a young age oh my gosh beware of the rapture blah blah blah like all these things and then grow up in such a polarizing world with all these different ideals and then all of these things happen and everything always gonna come always gonna come

how did we just happen to be the generation that all of this is happening around yeah happening to

i have this big existential question that i ask a lot of the time i've asked it in therapy i've asked it to my parents like are we truly living through unprecedented times or has the world always been like this and we are now just waking up as a generation and understanding that the world is like this it's probably a mix of both i mean mix of both it's the theory of like there wasn't if a tree falls in the woods and nobody saw it happen did it fall in the woods

yeah like that the principle of if there was nobody there to cover it did it happen so like i can see like because i've heard the same thing yeah but i don't know i mean historically it's not uncommon to go to war it's not uncommon to have differences I'm not saying it's right just fair or good I'm just saying that it historically has happened multiple times when a generation of 17 to you know 25 year olds is at this critical time in

their lives where their frontal lobes are not developed and they are seeing all of these massive things about the country and the world I mean really I feel like I'm really losing my mind sometimes I because I can't tell am I just overreacting to all of this this is like affecting me in ways that I can't just like shake off right well and yeah how do you go about documenting this in a way that is accurate to what's going on is true to what you feel and isn't biased to what

you grow up with or thought you knew so i feel like everybody's learning how to deal with that in their own way yeah um but it doesn't feel like this type of polarization is normal no very much not and i mean historically the pattern that i see is like this type of polarization was in the 1960s yeah in the 50s the tension between civil war era between all of the different things like men and women the equality white and black equality all of those different things

happening yeah coming to a head it seems like we're going through a similar pattern right now yeah and it scary because like we always think good guys win but yeah the ones who win write the history books so were they actually good yeah exactly like so and how do you talk about these things in a way that you know unbiased and isn going to offend anyone because definitely we live in a world today where it seems like even just talking about pure facts about what's

happening can offend someone right and it's just exhausting like I walked in here I'm not going to like tell you guys what Katie and I were talking about earlier but I walked in here I had to ask Katie her opinion on something because I was like I don't I can't tell am I crazy am I overthinking this or is this something that like maybe I should be worried about and she was like you're overthinking it it's good to be aware and conscious of it and also this is a symptom of the time that

we live in um and yeah it's just like as a young woman who just grew up and like wants to play music on a stage in front of people and you know with the week we had last week you know we had a major world event happen on a wednesday and i had a show later that night and i was really affected that whole day and I was like oh okay I'm gonna I'm gonna go get up on stage and sing about the things that I believe in and and also we live in Tennessee oh here let me tell you something so

I remember the day that um Roe v. Wade got overturned I had a show that day in rural Tennessee

and I remember being like this is this is a place where you know I I don't necessarily feel safe like saying hey I believe in abortion right hey I believe in all of the beliefs that I believe in um and I remember I wore these little blue um feminist sparkly icon earrings because I was like if nothing else today this is what I can do to you know say I hate this but I'm with everybody who's affected by this and I remember my mom and I had like a big long conversation and I was it

was a three-hour cover gig this wasn't like me playing to a stadium of people who were going to critique my every mood or everything but my mom and I had a serious conversation about whether or not I should wear the feminist icon earrings to a cover gig and that was three years ago four years ago and look at where we are now like I remember I had a show um on election day and my mom and I had a conversation about whether I should sing change your mind or not yeah there's

yeah so anyways it's such a it's such an interesting world that we live in let's talk about some yeah i'm like i don't i don't know what words to say to that truly so let me piggyback off of so a minute ago we were talking about oh we're getting to a point now where you know our generation is having a hard time distinguishing between what's ai and real

so over our break i collected some some headlines about the music industry and the bitcoin world and I want to read some of them to you just kind of you know get your opinion Daniel Ek spends 600 million dollars investing in an AI military company called Helsing what do you think about that I've got lots of opinions holy wow okay um presumably this is a good chunk of money that came from his share of Spotify, which is famous for not paying artists and songwriters?

Um, first off, I want my 0.00000001% of that 600 million.

yes please um but not jokes aside i mean that's wild that he had 600 million dollars to donate first off just laying around um because who has 600 million dollars that they can give away and if you give said money away what your first jump is military and also i think it's an ai military defense company so and that's also just disturbing yeah so ai military so that would mean sorry i'm just at a loss so you're gonna have ai and all of that potentially

manning tanks doing everything i don't know what that would mean for military but all i know is 600 million that's gonna make dance monkey dance yeah so that's gonna from spotify that's crazy so here are my thoughts number one 600 million dollars that do you know how much aid that could bring to the gaza strip right now i mean yeah do you know how many homeless people in america we could feed with that money i mean not even like yeah

with all the different humanitarian aid so that's one thing but now if we get back really into the more like thing that makes like my music business degree struggling artist hat just like right burn i think this is so hypocritical and let me just say this with my whole chest i am daniel x biggest hater if daniel like has no haters then i'm dead sorry um it is so hypocritical that he donated 600 million dollars to an ai military defense company when he is cracking down on small artist

songs getting put onto automated ai playlists and then shutting those artists down saying you can't put songs on spotify anymore you will not see any money from this when a lot of the time artists don't control what playlist plural their music gets put on and then also the fact that spotify is letting ai artists like velvet sundown which was a big thing do you remember that over the the summer no oh it was an ai band that got a shit ton of traction um and you could hear it

like it was ai automated ai written when bands and ai artists like velvet sundown are taking a big revenue chunk because of course people it's like um clickbait or rage bait oh i don't like ai artists so i'm gonna click on this and then you get a million people who click on it it makes a shit ton of money and then so cracking down on small artists well donating donating money for the military yeah i i didn't know the piece about cracking down on artists for ai i hadn't read that

yet and like and it's not even that artists are getting put onto ai playlists it's more of like bot activity like and how ai is now becoming kind of synonymous with the word bot and how you know when artists put songs out we sign up for playlisting companies where we're like hey small indie music blog will you put my my song on your playlist and then you know it gets streamed amount of times and then spotify goes these aren't real goodbye we're not taking this song

and then also here's another thing over the break i was like i don't i think i was getting ready for a show or something and i you know just put my music on shuffle and it wasn't velvet sundown band um it was another ai artist where like the artist was literally called like ai tunes or something oh my gosh and there wasn't even a way that you could report it and say this is ai i don't want to listen to music made by a robot that's crazy so i mean spotify you have some explaining

to do there's a lot of companies and a lot of different industries that need to catch up with ai like and i think they're the music industry specifically i can speak to that because i know it I know that there's a lot of companies that are behind on working with AI because they're trying to figure out how to best use it to their advantage. Obviously, that's what every business is going to do.

Duh. But in trying to use it to their best advantage, they're allowing all of these things to happen before because there's nothing set in place. There's no precedent. There's no laws.

there's nothing that's stopping all these things from happening before they've gotten their shit together yeah so in doing their due diligence waiting to make sure this is what's best for that company or different industry blah blah you're allowing all of these things to happen before and i don't know what that's going to mean in the next few years because i don't know how fast people are going to respond but it's crazy going back to like how this started it's crazy that

somebody isn't going to be such a hypocrite and on such a large stage and if we really wanted to get you know really into the weeds about it artists could make the claim and make the argument that that 600 million dollars that he's investing is our money yeah that we never got paid out for and i mean i saw that there were some people like um i think i need to like look this up real quick but i think there's this band called um king gizzard and the lizard wizard which like great

name by the way yeah um i think they in response to something like that they were pulling their music off spotify yeah here's a here's a headline from vice king gizzard and the lizard wizard leaving spotify frontman student mckenzie says they don't expect danielek to pay attention like no artist is happy with spotify right now except for maybe their top performers right

All day and all night I guess I've always been this way my whole life Worrying from sundown to sunrise I function like a halogen light burning up inside I stumble through the day blacking out sometimes worrying is hijacking my mind We are now at the end of the road We are now at Masougatville, right away from the railroaduto statement of Ayodongu intersection with a V начинаic High speed chases where I am both criminal and cop I run myself in circles around what I'm not

Worrying about problems that I've got Cause I love you take the wheel Then you drive me crazy, made me feel the way you feel Now I'm all mixed up and stranded And I don't know what's real And I'm worried about if I'm gonna heal Am I gonna heal? Am I gonna heal? Cause I let you take the wheel Then you drove me crazy, made me feel the way you feel Now I'm all mixed up and stranded And I don't know what's real And I'm worried about if I'm gonna heal Am I gonna heal? Am I gonna heal?

Am I gonna heal? Time for tea So here's another Spotify headline, which I didn't know.

i was just kind of researching i would have you know said oh we should talk about this when we first started the podcast of like february or something spotify hosted made a hundred and fifty thousand dollar donation to the ceremony while apple and amazon each donated a million dollars to the inauguration i knew that apple and amazon had donated I didn't know that Spotify had. Yikes. Yeah. Again, more of our money being used to platform a wannabe dictator, an authoritarian, like... Right.

I mean, we shouldn't even give him airspace.

but that's crazy to me because spotify you've gotten so many different bad headlines and bad raps for how many years and how many years are people still using spotify like ridiculous absolutely ridiculous um not to be that person but i've always been an apple music person hey love which i mean apple music does pay for that they do pay artists slightly better slightly but not great so i mean it's like the azkab bmi yeah exactly and so i mean i think when

we talk about spotify in these kind of segments where we talk about like big music industry stuff i think we could even kind of use spotify as an overarching like streaming platforms in general kind of using it interchangeably with all of the the big ones um okay I've got some other things that I would like to run past you real quick this one okay so there's this thing called bundle gate

that I think Spotify is is doing I need to like read over this really quickly because this was a I saw this maybe a month or so ago. Hold on. Okay, so I'm going to quote this article from Song Sleuth. By, quote, changes, they were referring to their reclassification of their premium tiers from a standalone music subscription to a bundle due to the fact that they are now including 15 hours of audiobooks as part of the premium subscribers plans, an estimated 85% of

total Spotify subscribers. This new classification means that Spotify will be able to pay a lower, lower than it already is, mechanical royalty rate to songwriters. How much lower, you may ask? Well, according to Billboard, this semantic issue could mean between $150 million to $180 million less dollars to songwriters and publishers in the first year alone. And I quoted that directly from Song Sleuth. So you're telling me. I want to know more about the CEO. Is he new to Spotify?

danielek yeah no danielek is like the main founder he created it in a basement somewhere because to me this gives somebody came in like a mergers and acquisitions type and said your company has not had a profitable year in how long yeah they've only had like two or three profitable quarters in their whole 20 plus year existence. Yes. It sounds like acquisitions came in and said, you haven't had a profitable quarter. This is what you need to do.

You need to do X, Y, and Z and you will be profitable. Yeah. And he said, okay, cool. And just instituted it. Like that's to me what it gives is that he just kind of, not blindly, but essentially just took a plan and ran with it. Because when you do something like that, like when you're looking for a loophole, it's because you're not making money. Yeah. And you can't afford to lose more money than you're already losing. Mm-hmm. So I don't know what else other than he's not doing well.

Yeah. So karma is obviously getting them in one way. But there needs to be a better way to stop CEOs from doing things like that. Yeah. Where the company has had no profitable quarter, but somehow you have $600 million lying around. Yeah. How does that make sense? Where's the IRS? Yeah. Where? so on that level of things i mean there's a new girl that's in charge of monopolies and she's cracking them down girl what's her name i don't i don't know um i don't know if i know who

you're talking about um is it a government person yes there's a new girl that's gone directly against um apple or microsoft um i think her name lena khan maybe yes i haven't heard about her tell me is an american legal scholar who was the chair of the who was the federal chair of the federal trade commission from 2021 to 2025 she was an associate professor at columbia law school

She was a student at Yale Law School and became known for her work in antitrust and competition laws in the United States after publishing the essay Amazon's Antitrust Paradox. She went after Amazon. Yeah. And won. Yeah. That's exciting.

she was nominated by Joe Biden in 2021 after a confirmation and she was the youngest FDC chair even in June of 2021 that's women in STEM right there can we get her to go after Spotify she I mean it sounds like she was funny enough like a lot of things in politics and are good in the world right now she fired was fired january 20th of 2025 for what oh never mind yep i get it right yep yep yep um so anybody who was fired by the

trump administration i'm automatically like can we be friends right i'm like hey um i'm trying to see if she was fired or if she left um because it says it was until january 20th 2025 yeah she won against microsoft as well that is awesome women in stem um and she stepped in between kroger and albertson's merger which two big grocery stores yeah it would have been a monopoly Oh wait, no, that's Kroger and Fred Meyer are kind of the same.

Ooh, she went again, Lockheed Martin's attempt of the acquisition of Aerojet, two big military sponsors merging that would have become a different monopoly. Yeah. So Lena, if you want to come on the podcast, we'd love to have you.

Despite early bipartisan support of her continuing in her role as chairman under President Donald Trump, including positive comments in 2024 from Republican Vice President candidate J.D. Vance and former Trump advisor Steve Fannin, Ken was replaced by Andrew N. Ferguson. in 2025. So she was fired and replaced by, you guessed it, a white man.

Sure you make me cry but you give one hell of a high I would give all of my base for one more night I'm feeling myself the way you're feeling on my body My body, uh-uh So good as criminal, you going down like John Gotti You got me, uh-uh I will take the pain The screaming fights to go and am I I'm crying while dancing Cause I love to be your collateral damage You're supplying serotonin to my brain But when I'm coming down I feel insane You got me staying up, you got me losing me

You got me losing hope that you'll be what I need You got me on the edge, you got me on my knees You're so convincing I slam the door but I can't stay away I block your number every other day And you always know just what to say You're so conflicted Sure you make me cry but you give one hell of a high I would give all of my pace for one more night I'm feeling myself through where you're feeling on my body My body So good as screaming, I know you're going down like John Gotti You got me

I will take the pain The screaming fights to go in M.I.A. But I'm crying while dancing Cause I love to be your collateral damage Do I deserve it? All this hurting? Or am I flirting with the enemy? Does he deserve me? Or feel me dirty? Should I worry? I mean, I know my worth, but sometimes I go on sale.

I'm feeling myself the way you're feeling on my body My body So good as criminal, you're going down like John God You got me I will take the pain The screaming fights get going Am I I'm crying while dancing Cause I love to be Your collateral damage So yeah

I've got one other headline that I would like to read to you before we maybe move on to something that plays into, you know, all of this. So there was an article that came out in March or so that was talking about the term streaming 2.0 and, you know, potentially what it is. And so my notes on this article were that Streaming 2.0 at its basic core is basically creating yet another tier of exclusivity.

It's creating or it's going to create more work and content creation for artists and more money for the labels and services and thus, quote, adapting monetization rates for artists based on their popularity.

so you know in layman's terms the smallest artists if you know this really goes into effect and becomes a bigger thing the smallest artists if i don't know if this is going to be based on you know popularity alone or whatever but it does look like all streaming companies are going to be switching to the model of only paying after a thousand streams yet another thing that spotify is just leading the charge on which like not a great thing that the smallest artists aren't

going to get paid anything which like it's not a huge change because already small artists don't get paid anything but then the biggest artists are going to continue to get paid more but indie artists make up 26 percent of an estimated 11 million artists on spotify and only 37.5 million songs out of about 100 million meet the requirements to make any money at all i mean to put it in perspective a thousand streams is not even one cent yeah so

i can understand from the company's perspective bro that's not even one cent what do you mean that's still our money that is still something that somebody should pay to access yeah absolutely and for you the company that's this big i don't know that has enough money to go and go go and donate right what's not even one cent to you yeah if there's a thousand of those oh my god you spent a dollar whoop-de-doo like i don't i can understand it just seems like right now we're so much working

into a phase of like shaving everything off we're going into a recession and i mean for me the other thing like with streaming 2.0 is that the way i basically read it is it would be sort of a patreon type of platform within a streaming platform which is creating more work for the artists yeah on top of all of the stuff that we already do on top of the artists who already use patreon now you're saying that that's for a patreon type service now you're

saying we would have to implement that into streaming like right and then also you know going back to you know daniel x spending 600 million dollars on ai that's also coming from the man who said that the cost of and i quote like but and rightly so a bunch of people on twitter went after him for this this is coming from the man who said that the cost of making good content is close to zero when that is just not the case yeah it's that's like somebody saying

well it only takes 20 minutes to make cookies sure but that's a hard 20 minutes like there's so much shit that goes into the cookies well right it takes 20 minutes to make the cookies but it takes a half hour in gas money to get the groceries yeah it takes working a stable job so that you have a house overhead so that you have the time to make those cookies exactly so and those are just cookies yeah so just i you know me i love using logic to compare logic yes

but that how I view it when somebody says something like that No that a great way to look at it because you absolutely right I mean I don know I just feel upset and disgusted by Spotify a lot of the time and you know all these other streaming companies that are switching to the model of only paying after a thousand streams it's like you're following the most popular thing to do even if when it's not the right thing to do like where is the morality where is the moral ground that we're standing on

which I think the answer is like there is you know solid ground right now in literally everything the music industry in politics in world events yeah yeah so those were the Spotify headlines I wanted to talk to you about because I was researching and I was just like what the actual hell is going on here yeah i mean news in general yeah like if we move over to like bitcoin news um i was looking up kind of just what's happening right now and it seems like a lot of

whales is what they call them yeah people who have a shit ton of bitcoin that are just kind of hiding in the deep sea right yeah um these whales are starting to surface yeah they're starting to move some money out of these really old accounts into new wallets into different wallets yeah and people are starting to kind of go did they know something we don't yeah outside of the old like antiquated tradition of traditional banking yeah so i'm curious to see what's going on

what the fed decides um and see how people respond to that yeah and you said something right before we started recording as well about potentially the stock market yeah being token yeah that's the right word i don't know if it's if it's the right word either this is the word that you know came up a bunch when i was researching this so there's a piece of news in the past couple of days that the stock market might start running on a tokenized

basis, which I think would technically mean, and again, I'm not the technical person behind Bitcoin.

Y'all know me. This is just my understanding of it, which means that I think the blockchain or the stock market would technically run on blockchain technology, which would mean that all of those transactions would be instant and frictionless and kind of um you know nullify the the antiquated outdated but would also in a way be public yeah if it's yeah depending on if it's on or off train could you okay work with me here yeah could you imagine if there were

if insider trading was essentially made obsolete because you know that a company's stocks is gonna go through the roof yeah you buy some of it but now that's publicly out there which i think trades are public knowledge but they're not as accessible yeah because i think they take two to three days in a traditional system to you know but over the blockchain you would see x goes to x at this time yeah and even though it's i mean you could have like a username yeah you would still have your

npub which is keyed directly to you yeah so solving crime finding crime for insider trading white collar crime with any sort of monetary value oof you're out of a job my guy yeah which is interesting because then imagine the stock market would change a bit yeah because if you're no longer able to readily predict the market like you were used to or like you could manipulate it like you used to yeah yikes yeah yeah so here's a um a quote that i found on um rooters or Rudders.com? I don't know.

It was, I don't know how to pronounce it, but it was from Ruders. Quote, if approved, the move would mark the first instance of tokenized securities being allowed to trade on a major U.S. stock exchange and also signify the most ambitious attempt yet by an exchange operator to bring blockchain-based settlement into the national market system.

The filing comes days after the SEC unveiled its rulemaking agenda, which included a potential amendment of its rules to allow for crypto to be traded on national securities exchanges and alternative trading systems. Efficiency and automating the processes when, you know, the traditional banking system is so antiquated. And yeah, I just thought that was really interesting. It is. I think right now there's a lot of change.

there's a lot of chaos there's a lot of unknown and it's cool and scary to be able to have a mic in front of us at this time yeah absolutely take it with a lot of responsibility like hey kids yeah no like when I saw this piece of news the other day I was at first I was like oh I don't know if that's a good thing or not and then I thought about it a little bit more and I'm like maybe maybe that could be cool and interesting well okay the the problem that you and i both have

is we both are very liberal women yes we very much are and when you read bitcoin news it's like oh my god who which frat brother wrote this yeah i'm just trying to get to see if this will benefit at me or if this yeah well not i don't i don't want to know about all that different hubbub yeah just want to know just let me know this is good yeah truly and so reading through bitcoin news as somebody who's not also maga yes is incredibly infuriating because i don't i don't want to read

about fox news stuff i just want to know if bitcoin is going up yay i want to know if these policies are going to affect what i have in my wallet i don't care about the politics behind it don't give me that technology in this technology should be neutral yes like which and that goes to um another thing that i thought would be interesting um but also just kind of like my last thing on the stock market thing i think the thing with that is like the word tokenizing has such a

weird connotation because token is like oh me you're downloading a jpeg as an nft okay what does that mean and so like i think if i had read that and it was like um oh the stock market would just be technically block chainified i would have been like oh interesting and i wouldn't have been so like, I guess, turned off by it when I first read it. So, yeah. And when, like, all these little nicknames, like, token, crypto. Yeah. Satoshi. Uh-huh. It sounds like a Mario Kart game.

Yeah. It's very gamified. It sounds like a Nintendo Oh my gosh I just made some Satoshis Let me go throw a lemon peel Like I get it Money cha-ching sound. Money cha-ching. So, yeah. If there's any listeners that has a good resource of news that I don't even care if it swings biased.

i just want actual news in it yeah you know information information unbiased information um okay so going off of what you said a minute ago so a couple weeks ago i got to go see the unbanked film at the bitcoin museum in nashville which was so cool mr sky bravo and i uh may have

potentially premiered um the my episode of going and playing on top of his certain pink bus which will be coming out sometime soon um but it was really cool night like we got to premiere that and then we got to watch the unbanked film which oh my gosh the unbanked film was so inspiring and it was not left-wing it was not right-wing it had a lot of great perspectives from a lot of different people who probably disagree on a lot of like the main political stuff but

oh my gosh do yourself a favor and go watch the unbanked film I was reading a little bit more about it last night um and Lauren Seekman the director of it which also love that it was like directed by a woman yeah which when I went to the Bitcoin conference let me tell you how excited I was when I met so many like smart and beautiful and elegant and sophisticated women who were like yeah Bitcoin I was like yes it's not just the finance bros it's not just MAGA guys no literally

oh my god like what oh my gosh let me tell you i met no tino shit oh i met um the wonderful um ella huff who like if you're in the bitcoin world you probably know um who she is she founded the cornell bitcoin club and then she um just announced that she got a job at strategy which is sailor's bitcoin company nice um like doing bitcoin advocacy and i got to meet her for the first time and she was just so lovely and i met her mom too me and my mom and her and her mom we

had a good thing going on oh yeah like good vibes in the studio mother daughter uh duo is trying to like bring bitcoin to the the zeitgeist um so yeah there were so many like smart takes on bitcoin and the thing that i was going with it being directed by a woman was i love that it um it had a different a different feel and an air to it i saw a quote she said about it we didn't make this film to like for lack of a better term um and this is me paraphrasing we didn't make this film to like

evangelize you to go buy bitcoin we wanted it to pique your interest so you go and do more research on it and so when it comes back to what you were saying a few minutes ago with like oh some of these guys who are trying to do insider trading that might be out of a job if this thing happens um so one of the um the takes that one of the guys i don't remember who it was in the unbanked film said was and I'm going to use this anytime somebody you know tries to argue with me like

oh Bitcoin is just like all black market bad stuff he said yeah criminals use Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies but you know what else criminals use cars and cell phones and they drink water and eat food does that make all of those things inherently bad and I was like oh that is a great argument no absolutely like it's technology it's the big question behind technology is the technology itself the bad thing or is it the people who use it who influence it for better or for worse the

problem which yeah interesting interesting stuff going on in the house of bitcoin in the house of commons and then one other of my big takeaways um from you know watching the unbanked film was like how good if harnessed correctly bitcoin mining could be for the environment and for sustainability i did a little bit more research into it this but i remember watching that part of the documentary and it's been a couple weeks so i don't remember anything but like go and watch the unbanked film

everybody this isn't sponsored I promise please just watch the unbanked film it was awesome um I remember watching the part where they were talking about how to um you know harness

unused energy to buy bitcoin and I remember thinking oh my gosh my best friend who goes

to school for like environmental studies and is like saving the uh planet which also shout out the eco mind collective run by my bestie Anya y'all go check that out had to do a quick plug I was like if she saw this she would get it she would be like oh my gosh absolutely bitcoin so there's an awesome Forbes article about how why bitcoin mining might actually be great for sustainability and here I am quoting again mining soaks up excess energy to prevent from

overloading a power grid companies are finding ways to capture vented methane on landfills and then turning that methane into electricity. They then use that electricity to mine Bitcoin. This practice both reduces carbon emissions and monetizes stranded energy by taking toxic fumes and converting them into digital gold. If the process can be scaled, it could forever change the way that landfills operate.

Bitcoin miners can tap into any energy source, anytime, anywhere in the world, and they are in constant search of low-cost energy, which they increasingly find in underutilized renewable sources such as hydro wind geothermal and solar so it's like so cool to see how like mining bitcoin might be able to pay off climate debt like what yeah that's really cool it was so cool and like this is also coming from someone which like y'all know me you if you've listened to this podcast y'all

know i'm an anxious girly i'm anxious about everything i'm anxious about people politics the world climate change um and this is coming from like the daughter of somebody who got who went back to school to get his MBA in sustainability and also my parents owned an organics company my mom says it was hello fresh before it was hello fresh so like and we had this conversation a couple months ago on the podcast about is it ethical and sustainable to be a pop star that

you know is emitting you know fuel and making shit tons amount of merch like just reading that was so cool so go check out that um Forbes article let me see who was written by it was written by Sam Lyman. That was a couple years ago, but I still thought it was so interesting to bring up. No, that was very interesting. That would be really, really cool. I mean, have you seen the guy that's trying to make fuel out of plastic? No, but I'm really encouraged by that.

You figured out a way to literally shred up the plastic from like plastic bottles, distill it, and then make it into an oil and then from that oil like make it into a gasoline but he has this whole machine that he's made and it worked that's incredible he made a car run and like i've been secretly watching it on tiktok for like years because i saw this guy like a few years ago say i can make gasoline for plastic and he held up like this little

but renewable things like that where you could tie the making of gas to the making of energy and bitcoin that insane and that brings so much hope to the future yeah um The thing is scaling that and people giving money to that and believing in that right now when their dollar is worth less than it was 10 years ago. Even probably five years ago. Five years ago. A year ago. It's going to be hard. I mean, everything right now is just such a paradox.

Yeah, absolutely. But that, you know, that kid, you know, making plastic into fuel, that gives me hope. It's funny. It's kind of a side tangent, but kind of plays into it. My mom and I went to Big Lots yesterday, which like haven't been to Big Lots in a long time. But whenever I walk into one of those kinds of stores, I get so much dread about how much plastic there is. And like this piece of plastic is going to outlive me by hundreds of years.

It's going to be on the planet far longer than I will be. And we're, you know, creating all of this, these issues that are affecting climate change for the worse. And I feel so helpless sometimes when I see that because I'm like, I don't I don't need all this plastic. Why does everybody need all this plastic? Why do we all need these things? And so, I don't know, as a Pacific Northwestern hippie who really believes in reduce, reuse, and recycle, I was just really encouraged by that.

And I'm encouraged by this kid who's making plastic fuel. That's awesome. Yeah. Some good news when we started pretty, you know, out there today. Right. I mean, it's always good to think about positive things when everything is going crazy. Yeah. Well, should we wrap it up by saying like a fun little positive thing? Yeah. I don't know what that would be, but. What's going on around Nashville that's crazy? Or something that, oh, I saw this video this morning.

And it was of like a spirit week for school. Uh-huh.

and did you ever play that game where you're sitting on a chair you have a balloon in your lap and then somebody's like trying to pop it and they're like sitting on you or like just trying to pop a balloon so i remember they played this at high school and it was always funny because they would always have like siblings or like teammates play it because the goal is that teammate is just trying to pop the balloon whatever way possible yeah and in this video

you see this girl wearing a wig sitting on this chair has a balloon in her lap and this guy just absolutely trucks her body slam like off the chair body slam onto her back she gets up without a wig and gets a new balloon and the second time and she's already on the ground at this point second time like jumps on her while she's on the ground and then runs away again and the third time she's like still on the ground jumps on her again by the fourth time she's like up

and as her arms up to like stop him and she's like no no wait and you just and there's two point of views and it flashes to the other point of view and you just see him like absolutely through and it just reminded me of like a simpler time in high school for spirit week and like all of these things that you would witness and just laugh at on unbeknownst to you about all the different things that were going on in the world but i sent that video to my dad

yes because my dad and i are weird and we send weird videos to each other like whenever whenever i see a video like that like i'll just send it to him because i know it'll make him laugh and he he responds and he goes you're not normal you can say a lot about high schoolers but you cannot say that they don't go hard no literally okay let me tell you about um before we wrap up the the weird thing that I've been

sending my dad recently like my dad and I's TikTok DMs are just full of like exactly what you signed up for you know yeah 15 years ago when you know hey this internet thing sounds cool it's just the most random wacky shit you can ever imagine I've been sending him and like my dad and I are both musicians so like there's a lot of musical humor in the things that we send to each other and so I've been sending him these videos of the Wii Sports Resort like um characters or like the

um avatars playing the trumpet out of tune to popular songs oh my god let me wait I need to see if I can find an example of it and I've been sending them back and forth and I think they are so funny let's see oh wait where did it go yes oh god it's supposed to be the trombone and um so we just send each other a bunch of stupid shit like that and it's so fun oh yeah i sent my dad charlie the unicorn that that recircled on my um um on my on my for you page oh my god so yeah

i'll play the video that i sent my dad yeah and i i want to see if you guys you can hear it like just with the classical music absolutely trucks her i mean second time she's on the ground oh oh into the other people oh okay other point of view i just love the classical music she's she's on her stomach and the guy literally just jumps on her back. Double opposite. And then she gets up. She's like... Okay. Okay, this one, it's the last one. She's like, no, don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do it.

Completely just checks her. She goes off the mat.

and what i love is that you can see like the football coach in the back just go oh like you didn't train him to do that sir where did that come from how is that on the field right right where did that come up for for a game yeah come on well we had many a conversation today about many a topic and there's nobody I would rather do it with so there's nobody I would rather be here with yeah so this has been the snap with me your host Ainsley and me your host Katie we'll catch you next time