Unlocking Your Ancestral Code: Irigenics Eye Reading

today has cracked the code on your ancestral blueprint, and it's hidden in your eyes. See she's the founder of Erogenics ancestral eye reading. And if you think your DNA holds secrets, wait until you find out what your irises have been trying to tell you. Oh boy, She's helped thousands unlocked the missing chapters of their story, gathered eighty authors to share their wisdom and the ancestors within and get this, She's about to launch her own app to

let you read your own eyes. That is awesome, very your ancestors have been waiting for this moment, and so have we. Buckle up, because today we're looking deep, literally into the windows of your soul. The skeptic benevosition starts now. My name is Will and I'm Karen, and unlike Boulder and Scully, both want to believe. So we've embarked in a journey of discovery.

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and our guest today. While she's a pioneer in the field of ancestral exploration, using a truly unique and fascinating approach, the reading of the eyes, Amy Gillespie Dockerty I'm sorry if I messed up your name is a founder of Erogenics Ancestral eye reading, a system that reveals deep seated ancestral patterns and epigenetic influences through the intricate details of

the iris. With the passion for helping people uncover the untold stories woven into their lineage, Amy has directly guided thousands to a greater understanding of their personal and inherited narratives. She's also the visionary behind The Ancestors Within, an award winning book series that brought together eighty authors and artists to explore the profound ways that our ancestors shape our

present lives. And now she's taken this transformative work to the next level with the launch of a ground Briak you can mobile app, allowing individuals to explore their own eye patterns and unlock ancestral insights like never before. It is an absolute pleasure to welcome to the show, Amy Doherty. Amy, how you doing today.

I stumbled into about fifteen years ago now, and it is the aspect of looking at your iris and seeing epigenetic pattern, gifts, talents, abilities, unresolved traumas as well as what your ancestors loaded you up to become.

little bit more. But it would appear to be your birth blueprint.

class on conscious language. People who say I never win, I can't find love. They kind of project their future in front of themselves. And he was doing something called biooptic holography, looking at the seven layers of the iris, and I thought, well, that's the coolest thing ever. And he actually had come from the background of iridology, so he'd come from the world of our eyes change all the time, they change in the moment, they changed now, now, now,

But he didn't really have any photographs of it. So I thought, well, I just want to study a little further. So I studied with him, and then I went as far as I really could with his training, and I thought, there's no pictures of this change. So now I studied with another person doing behavioral eraldology, how we have some of the attitudes of our grandparents and great grandparents. And I studied with him and he said, no, there's very few things in the eyes that change that that's now

known in iudology because of newer cameras and lighting. And at the same time he said, you know, so these marketings are here from the time you're born. Well, I'm thinking, no, no, wait a minute, how can I have a marketing in my eye for sibling rivalry with girls when I'm the oldest child. I don't have any siblings, So if it doesn't change, then how does that work? There was just

so many questions that I kept pushing. So I trained with two or three more people on different ways of rereading the eyes, and finally I got to a gentleman who was working with birth order and with ancestors grandparents to grandparents, grandparents two to four generations back, and the light bulb went off. That's what I've been seeing. I've been seeing my ancestors aspect of a female competitive environment. Whether I get sisters or not, girls are going to

come and throw some caddy jealousy thing at me. How come Amy gets this? How come Amy gets that? Or creative competition or any of those things that are associated with the right brain.

for the show, I've been looking at my eye all the time. I don't see anything in my eye at all, and yet I've followed you have done some research on to you and you have pictures on your site of what people should be looking for and things like that. I don't see any of that in my eye. So it could it be that I'm just an orphan. And my ancestor says, nope, I'm out of here. You're on your own, bud.

that was a complete stumbling. I would look at an eye and say, that looks kind of like a dog, or that looks kind of like a priest or or a nurse, And then I had people start saying to me, don't you see don't you see that nurse in my eye? Don't you see that nune? And so finally I had to say, okay, God, all right, God, if this is supposed to go, then just keep guiding me. And I went back to pictures i'd take and in my very earliest years, and the images were always there. I just

didn't recognize them. So will You're not an orphan, you're not a step child. You have amazing information in your eyes. People who have what I call blanket eye texture, where it looks almost like you're looking at a piece of cloth with maybe just light kind of wrinkle lines or fold lines in there. Those people have a more difficult time seeing images. It has to do with the density

of the eyes. People who have openings where it's almost like you're looking into Swiss cheese, like there's openings that are like like holes, like lightholes. Those people see images more readily. But people like yourself, who don't see images readily, once somebody kind of ovals them or highlights them, then all of a sudden you can be like, you know what, I see that, or I don't see what you're looking up? But what about that one over there?

The thing is, it's like looking if you looked at an old newspaper photograph, let's say, from World War two. So it wasn't a terrific quality to start with, right, And you see there's five people on the deck of a ship, and maybe one person's shoulder is blocking the other person's hat. Is blocking the other person's so you're only seeing partial You're not seeing a single silhouette, right.

And as you're looking at that, what you find is if you go in with a magnifying glass and you try to get really close and look at it really big, it'll eventually pick laid out. It'll get so where you can't identify anything. So sometimes keeping it smaller looking at your images on your cell phone will always be the better way. The high resolution screen and the tininess of the images, and then you can really super expand on

that high resolution. And so if you're having trouble, especially on a big screen, when people look at these on a sixty inch screen, I'm like, well, good luck, they're really stretched. That photo is made so big that sometimes you lose those tiny images.

the pupil, or in the moisture across the eye. Those are like you say, like looking into a river or a pool, a pool of water, and every time you take your pictures, you'll wind up with different images in there. So very much like masaro emotives work where he freezes the crystals, introduces a word, it's like that there's kind of a change in each time you take a look.

kind of I said that wrong. If your pupil is like pinpoint, like you're out in the sunlight and your pupils really really small, they'll be as big as they're going to get. But if you then take a picture inside and your pupils much bigger, then the iris is shorter, loaller, so then your image will be shorter. So you sometimes can find a perfect point where it's like there, I really see it. When I'm taking those photos, that's what I see. I'll see images almost moving around when I'm

trying to take the picture. And then when I see like something so crystal, that's when I snap it because we want to capture that so the person can go looking later.

of popping in there energetically? Now, I trained a couple of people how to do eerogenics ancestral iye reading, and we've been at shows together and we've been like, what do you think could there be a ghost in the building?

a study. So for me right now, part of the reason I'm making the app is because I want to get back behind the research end of it a little bit more again. So there's a gift for writing at six o'clock in the eyes. In the right eyes it's tech writing, business, organized writing, legal, that kind of thing. The left eye is the creative, it's the spiritual writing, it's the poetry or music, children's writing. So if those gifts are at six o'clock, all gifts are in the eyes. It's a matter of mapping.

talks about the eye. So first, ladies, first, we're looking at Karen's eye first and foremost. So okay, Amy, what.

on it a little more. Now, what's interesting about you have a number of interesting things you have Where we look at what we would call seven o'clock in your right eye. So, yep, you've got a pointer perfect. So you see it's that darkish spot there, yes, that darkest coloration. Now and above that's another darker spot. That darkish coloration is called a postage stamp, which means it's an ancestral pattern that's almost done as long as it's not really

re energized. So what that means is it was an issue your ancestors struggled with that should be kind of done with the times. So let's tell you what it's about. That spot there between seven seven thirty is kind of on the border of two things. One, the smaller, darker spot is actually kind of in the line of your father's experience of their pregnancy with you. Now, interesting enough that parental line shows up whether the man knows he's father to child or not. So somehow there's like an

energetic connection between the fetus and the father. But basically the pupil is at conception and when we go all the way out to where we meet the white the sclera, that's birth. So in there somewhere about three and a half four months in, your father had some kind of high energy I'm gonna call it a trauma, but some kind of high energy moment. Now that doesn't mean it's about you. It can be about you, like your mother being told, oh, you're gonna have to go on bed rest.

You know, Dad's gonna have to take everything. There's there's you know, you're not gonna be able to work that kind of thing. But it can also be if he has a best friend in a car accident, that will also show up in that spot. What's unusual about it is, for whatever reason, when it comes to the right eye, when it comes to the right eye, the timing will follow in your life, like you're trying to start a new business and then at about three and a half

to four months something locks up. So you can find this in your relationships. You can find it in like buying a house or selling a house and the contract's just about done and then it falls through. You're starting a new business and all of a sudden, the legal documents aren't working out. But for some reason, with that right eye, it feeds in that way. But that postage

stamp right next to it is what they call identity inheritance. Now, identity inheritance is when someone's been cut out of the will or so the boys inherit because they're boys, but the girls don't because they're girls. Right, And remember I said this is an ancestral postage stamp, so it means it's a it's an ancestral pattern that's kind of going away. It's kind of should be watering out with the times because now you can leave money to daughters and sons.

And if you don't have a daughter, she doesn't have to get married, so you can leave it to her husband, right, that kind of thing. But identity inheritance can also be like being one of the Jackson five who doesn't inherit the gift of dance. They go to dance lessons, they go to everything, and everybody else in the family can do it, but they can't. They got cut out on

the family gift or the family name. Kind of thing. Now, just above three o'clock in this eye, Now, the right eye tells us about identity as well as vocational in business aspects, shows your beautiful gift for expression and interpretation. You have a unique way of taking information in and bringing it back to the world. But also that gift of expression is the ability to create from a feeling.

So you decide you want to make something and you want it to feel like this, and everything you do it's that feeling that doesn't feel right, that doesn't feel right. You have the sensitive eye structure, so you physically feel things, and you have what's known as the shaman or the tribal texture, which means that you have an almost telepathic ability to pick up other people's thoughts as well as

synchronized movement. So you may find yourself at the same time, at the same place with somebody that you haven't talked to all week, but there you are bumping into each other. You just have that synchronized clocking that works with your tribe, whoever you deem to be your tribe people. No, there's one interesting thing here that that comes a little bit after the beginning. You see that kind of squiggly line around your pupil, So you have your pupil, and then

there's that little bit of a squiggly line. That's the autonomic nerve wreath, and that's supposed to be there. Usually it would be fairly round Yours is a little bit squared, almost like you could set a ruler on it. Can you see that? Usually that happens when somebody's been through a tough time in their life. They've been through some point in their life where they've felt like I can't live this way. This isn't working for me. Anymore. I need out, I need a chance. We call it the

resiliency square. Years ago we used to call it the suicide square, and then JOHNS. Hopkins said, don't call it that, amy, but it's not completely incorrect. It's where someone's been through a tougher time in their life and they're kind of fighting their way through a fun marking in your eye four o'clock. You see that little crease there with a little spot at the end. Yeah, that one that's born to become. We call it the JK. Rowling mark. This

means that here's Karen. She's on this life trajectory. She's got this path laid out in front of her, and she's cruising along. Everybody knows Karen's going to grow up and do this. Karen's going to grow up and do that. But at some point your life makes a major change to something completely unexpected.

let's just go. Let's just go swimming right in me. You have I would say, there's three images above that man that we saw towards eight o'clock. Yep, just above that, you got your pointer, just about on the back of a boy. Down below just a bit, there's the top of his head circle around. Yeah, So there's his head, and below that we're seeing his left side. He's got almost like a like a light white shirt on or even maybe pajama top on, and he's so where Will was.

We had his head, and then we're seeing his back yep, and his left shoulder coming down, and there's a facial image almost right where Will is again coming in from the sclera.

it's someone unknown somewhere. There's somebody missing in your family line. Could be someone who was raised by a grandparent, someone who is a foundling. It can be where the record's building has burned down and there's simply no trace of this person, no way to connect to them. But you could have somebody come to you from twenty three and meters or from ancestry dot com and say we're related, but I can't find it. Wow, you may not be

able to find it. There's a few missing people. That's when we get that silhouette, like somebody walking away from us from behind. You did a brilliant job with these pictures.

you button one more button? You know, they just get that pointing at them all the time, all the time. And this is how ancestral patterns work. If you engage a pattern, like let's say you're in a situation where it's between you and your brother who's going to get grandma's car, and some reason you get beat out and your brother gets it, and you're like, but Grandma taught me how to drive in that car. That was my car.

It was always going to be in my car. When you're engaging, the dynamics of what happened to you will match the dynamics of what happened to your ancestor. For them, it might have been a horse and carriage for you as a car, But the words that come out of you are their words coming out in English, even if at their time it was in Spanish, or it was in Latvian, or it was in whatever language it may have been in. It's like those words that's not right,

that's not fair, that should have been mine. It's like you're redeclaring and you're saying, yes, this is still a trauma for us. This still causes drama and trauma. This situation needs to continue to imprint in our epigenetics. Wow, that's why the postage stamps are so great, because it means whatever situation your ancestors had, you're clearing it. It could be that they were kings that had to leave the kingdom to the prince and you're not in there anymore. Yeah.

And just inside that spot at about two forty five where we were talking about that gift for interpretation, there's like a young man. Yeah, there's a young man just right outside of that, towards the white sclera again. So we see the shadow, we see the hairline. Now, we

see we got too close to the ship and we took it just a bit. We see the face, we see the know, the straight across haircut like boys get in the seventh grade, and his shoulders and that's it. He's just a bust. He's just a bust figure there.

but it's actually markings in your eye too that bring up a lot of information about the person whose i you're studying. That's incredible. We need to take a quick pause, but would be right back right up to these messages and now back to the skeptic metaphysicians.

being trapped or feeling like you needed to escape, yes, even especially like in family stuff or in promises, that's an ancestral pattern just rearing its head again. So the name of the game is resolve when that moment comes and you found yourself in a promise that you're like, oh, why did I say I do this? Just take a moment and go, oh, this is so ancestral.

I'm telling you, when you put some love on your ancestors, over these old patterns and just decide to let them water out instead of engaging them as you might have in the past, either headbutting with someone else or that internal chatter in front of the mirror. Right when you get to the point that you can let those go and de energize them, you can watch all kinds of things just suddenly be available, be free, like show up out of nowhere. It's just really quite amazing when you

start working with them. We think of our ancestors as just a name on a family tree if we didn't know them. But we're all carrying up to or carry about eighty ancestors in our DNA. But it comes from pool of eleven generations which is four thousand. So none of us actually knows who all were related to. So when we're sure, we're always going to be broke because all our ancestors were broke. We don't know all our ancestors. There is some rich dudes back there.

sharp line there. That's in identity. Those people who can't ever get your name right now, it's also identity in whatever respective identity, being identified as Asian or Native American or African American. It's labeling, right, it's identity. Interesting enough, you have markings in altruism just outside of that at eleven o'clock. Now, Altruism is when we give or do

something for somebody and it goes wrong. So have you ever had somebody say to you, well, will I didn't ask you to do that?

Now that also could be that placing a child for adoption or rehoming for the child's own good but the child will never know how you suffered for giving them away. So if you ever had a situation of having to give away a beloved pet, that's often the altruism mark because it's not so common to have to give away a child, but to have to give up your cat or dog is sometimes the way that it reenacts in American world today. If that makes sense, it.

well JK. Rowling, of course your books, But if you think of David Pelzer, a boy called it how he wasn't horrible abuse as a child, but then it became a book and a vocation right, it became a vocational aspect, so you're born to become at least a good deal of it is going to be in in your effective of your vocation. Now, masculine competitive environments, well, so if we look at about eight, there's a little bit of there's like a very light area and then a dark spot.

See that darkish to the right, just a little bit low.

So that is masculine competitive environments. It's sibling rivalry with brothers. It doesn't mean you get brothers, but this is legal competitiveness, business competitiveness. It can be board games and sports. It's any masculine or left brain competitive area. So left brain competitive can be chess, physics, geometry, those kinds of things. But it's where your ancestors had trouble with a masculine

competitive environment. Now they could have been in the military, they could have just been brothers, they could have been business people. This is where when you have two uncles who are partners and then the partnership takes a dive. This is where you'll find that kind of marking. But it also shows your competitiveness, your ability to beat the clock. You have a bit of marketing in clever rebellion, so you know the workaround your ancestor did you guys talk

before holy cow amy, Oh my gosh. Now I can't

tell without looking at your left eye, but I would lean towards. Did you have a high trauma incident before you were two or three? It's something somebody would have had to tell you about, not something you would remember.

It's pre conscious, like you don't remember having your diaper changed, you don't remember your first steps, so you don't make a form thought of I think going to be killed, but you would have been screaming. And it can be something simple like a doctor coming at you with a mask or holding you down to give you a shot, or as simple as tumbling out of the crib. One minute everything's fine to everything is not fine.

That for you would make that imprint because you don't know what happened. You just know somebody was in your face and they were screaming and yelling and whatnot. So when it shows up in both eyes, it means both genders were involved, like two parents. You know, it could be one parent holding a child and the two of them are screaming at each other. But again, it can be a tornado situation where everyone in the room is screaming. When you get both eyes literal, it can very well

be that what it did is it shifted you. So your birth personality is what we call the sensitive, which is someone who is physically sensitive to everything. When it comes to sports, it's any sport that powers up in stillness, golf, darts, pool, anything where you process the movement first and then move right. And this moves you from that original what's called the

sensitive eye structure to what's called the performer. And performers perform, whether it's in sports or whether it's in business, or whether it's how they show up. If you're not going to finish first, you will finish memorable. People will know that was there. That a lot I explain so much, there'll be a flair to it. As to images, everybody has images now on dark browns. You want to zoom in, So let's go in and take a little closer look. Okay, so I see the shadow of a boy. Well, actually

I see the shadow of a ship. Could be both coming down here between five o'clock and six o'clock. The face would be yep, right there, right there is base. You're just coming around the right ear of that young child, and we don't really make them out so well, but I see that child's face. But when I back away from it, it looks very much like a ship, like a large ship, the kind that would have had like sails, the bounty, right, the bounty kind of ship.

little bit of a thicker cut. So what often works and what works the best oftentimes are you MAC users or HP mas Okay, So what often works with the Mac is, well, you could send the pictures to me and I could circle and point to everybody. But what often works with that is there's tools annotate loop. That's where you can really custom zoom in and out and control the size of the area. But there's also tools

annotate oval. So once we put the oval around like that woman in the white dress, then they're really easy to see. That's what you saw on my website in the gallery, Like, here's the person circled, because before you circle them sometimes they're not so easy to pick out. But once you got them framed, people will be like, oh my gosh, there's people in there.

shows up in the eyes. I'll also be doing some episodes with those who've maybe come through some really wild traumatic stories, Department of Corrections, those who've been incarcerated, those kind of people, well, not in those kinds, but that group of people. Also adoptees, those who've met their birth families, those who have never met their birth families. Talking about, you know, kind of the different aspects of how your genetics weave in with your environmental experience and your ancestors

how they play out. And so if you had sibling rivalry with girls in your genetic line, you will likely drop into the perfect house for you to resolve that pattern, right in your adopted home. And so there'll be some different kind of pillars going on in the series. And then, as you said, the shorts show people how to take eyephotos.

Because I want everybody to look at their eyes and start seeing what's in there and start experiencing, you know, some of the amazing using detail and information that we can that we can learn from looking at our blueprint.

they're going through an ancestral pattern. Their ancestor may have been in World War Two and couldn't get stockings to get a job, and eventually one of their children gets sick, and because they don't have a job, they wind up losing their child. And it's all blamed on that moment they walked in the store and they saw somebody leaving with the last pair of stockings. Right, you know those people who are almost like sealing toilet paper out of carts at Walmart. Ye, we bought up a day so

you can. I mean, we have this B fifty two bomber that flies over our house all the time, spring the crops, and we're like, that is so wasted on us. We don't have that ancestral pattern, but maybe our neighbor's next door do, because we're just like there he goes again, right, and that's the resolved. So yes, if we know somebody's story, I could just start drawing their eyes, right. If I know what they've had an issue with over and over and over again, I could just start drawing it out.

Okay over here in my career. So working it out is all about resolving. It's all about saying, what do I have that my ancestors didn't. We have legal ease, we have online we have passports. If our loved one gets sick in Japan, we can get on a plane and fly to Japan. You know, it's we have new tools that they didn't. We have clean water, ambulances, all

these things. So their traumas usually show up in our world as more of an annoyance than a really life or death scenario usually and hopefully most of all the time. So working through that pattern it's something one can do on their own. They can do with me, but they can also go to a therapist and say, I think this is an ancestral pattern. I think I'm getting triggered by something my ancestors had to real or deal with, or in the moment they can stop and say this

is so ancestral. I don't know whose this was. But I'm so sorry you went through this, because in twenty twenty five it stinks. In your time, it must have really been bad. But you know what, We're in a new world. We have news at our fingertips, we have nine to one one, we have all these things, and I'm not going to engage this today. I'm just going to let this energy out. I'm going to breathe through it. I'm going to wake up tomorrow and think about what

I want to do with it in twenty twenty five. Right.

known better. It's my fault. Oftentimes something happened during the pregnancy where the parents trajectory changed. Maybe someone was about to go to school, maybe someone was about to leave the relationship, but something changed the trajectory, and it just gives them this imprint that they can't seem to shake of. It's my fault. By the same token, you'll run into kids who will say, I don't know what's wrong with me,

what's the matter with me? There may be something wrong with the baby during the pregnancy, and it didn't even have to be wrong. It could just be them being told ooh, your babies could be born with this, or your baby could be that, or you know the last your sister just lost her baby to this, you know what I mean. And so when you run into people, adults or children who have that really prevalent fault or something wrong with me, oftentimes it goes back to that

inutero time, and nobody did anything wrong. People feel what they feel. You know, the doctor tells you who that baby could have a birth defect, what are you going to do except be tied up in some fear about it? But once they know the rest of the story. So my real strong impetus push in this work was I was at a show in Pennsylvania and this Navy admiral came up, retired Navy admiral and asked me what I

was doing. And I explained it to him, and I explained to him about you know how sometimes you know, kids will have this. It's my fault, you know, it's I did this. It's my fault. And I explained to him how this can come up in the inutero pattern, and he said, Amy, you have to continue doing this work. This was our story. We went to therapy with our son for five years and we lost him to suicide. He could not hear I love you from me. I was in the Navy. His mom got pregnant. I blew up,

you can't be pregnant. I've got to be on active duty. I've got to go. I can't be here. And that child was born with the imprint of I'm not wanted. No matter what his dad said, this man could not hear I love you from his dad. And so you know this man is he's retired, accomplished admiral. And he said, I know, he said, in five years of therapy, this conversation never happened. Never, he said, I know, I just

heard it. If this had been mentioned one time, I truly believe our son would still be here.

If you think it's tied to the pregnancy, just stick with it for ten months worth it and that's usually enough to just really water out that pattern.

of his death, or somebody killed that person. I had a gal who had the altruism marketing doing something they regretted, and her mom was on the last boat leaving England during the war because of the torpedoing of ships, and she was pregnant, and there was a lady there was another lady who was pregnant more pregnant, and she said, you know, you go first, So the lady went up.

They got torpedoed. The woman grabbed the sun, threw him up to the pregnant woman on the other ship, and her ship went down, but the other one got away. And that was that altruistic act. Oh my gosh, she turned into such a great disaster. Right, And so we don't think about these things think it's me. We think, oh, it's them, they got this problem. But especially if someone's got a pattern that they just can't hang up, then oftentimes it's in that cellular memory, right, It's in that

cellular memory from something. And women are born with their ovaries intact. So your daughter's been through your life and your mother's life, so that adds to the epigenetic pattern. It's just like a little extra magnetism, but just understanding and being able to kind of walk through it and figure it out and be like, you know, this is

probably an ancestral pattern. Maybe we should just try some silly little thing like taking a pottery class, you know what I mean, experiment with it, get a little creative, and remind her of every time she has do something new that went fantastic. But she's always going to have that trigger. That trigger's going to hit her. People who never finish their thesis. They have this challenge with where an ancestor signs something they regretted. Signature agreements is a

big one. I see all the time. Why did I join that? Why didn't I? Wait? Yeah, why didn't I read it? The dynamics, the dynamics of how you got in that spot are the way to unlock it.

to learn more about their eye or reach out and get your interpretation, what's the best way for someone to get ahold of you?

your ancestors. And if you get pictures as good as Will and Karen, did you got a fat space?