Karen, Yes, do you think a person can use their mind, just their mind to free themselves from chronic pain? Actually? I do? You do? I do? Well? Then wonder if I told you that you could be done in under twenty eight minutes? What no? I mean? Please? Because I have I believe people can do it, I don't believe
I can do it. Well, then, once again, Karen, you are in luck because today's guest is pioneering new breakthrough research and achieving incredible healing results that are capturing the attention of researchers, doctors, and scientists worldwide. Twenty eight minutes. Okay, hang on, before this episode is done, we're going to learn just what this new research is, what the actual results
were, and how she was able to achieve these mind blowing results. If you're looking for a way to relieve yourself from chronic pain fast, than this might just be the episode for you. Here we go, Welcome to the Skeptic Metaphysicians. My name is Will and I'm Karen. Unlike Boulder and Scully, we both want to believe. So we've embarked in a journey of discovery. We've talked to people deeply entrenched in the spiritual and metaphysical world. We've
thrown ourselves into weird and wonderful experiences. I even joined a coven of witches and wait, you joined a coven? Yep, all the interest of finding something, anything, that will prove that there's something beyond this physical, three dimensional world we all live in. This is the skeptic metaphysicians. Hey there,
I will. And it may seem physically impossible to relieve chronic pain in minutes using only the mind, but our guest today has been able to consistently demonstrate how to do this, and she's even filmed and documented these results under medical thermal imaging, so you know it's right up my alley. Wow R, this is Perfection incarnate. Due to these groundbreaking discs, Govery's her work has been featured in the Health Medical Journal, She's been invited to deliver a
TEDx talk, and even appeared in a bunch of documentaries. And her new book, Master Your Mind and Energy to Heal Your Body, she shares the key to unlocking these results, providing readers with profound clarity and understanding of self healing. That is, mind expanding and even fills into gaps so that mind body healing can make logical sense. Are you hearing a pattern emerge? Here?
I'm hearing a pattern and oh well hang on. In fact, her book has been given rave reviews by people you definitely recognize like Sharon Stone huh and Jack Canfield from The Chicken Too for the Soul series, and the forward to her book was written by none other than renowned neurologist doctor David Pearlmot, who's a five time New York Times bestseller. Wow, we know this person
is legit. We're definitely among one of the great in the field. And it gives me great pleasure to be able to introduce Brandy Gilmour to the show. Brandy, Holy crap, I am I excited about this conversation? Yeah, oh my god, you guys are so much fun. I can hang out with you guys all day. Well, we're gonna hold you to that, cause you know we can go a long time and even more pain free.
All right, Well, we have a lot to talk about because looking at you, and if you're only listening to the show, you should probably go to our YouTube page and check her out because she looks incredibly She's a beautiful woman. She's incredibly saturesque. You would never know that not long ago you suffered from a debilitating accident that actually laid you out in a very big way. All right, Yeah, yeah, I was quite a mess.
And if somebody had told me that I could release my pain in twenty eight minutes or even less where any of that, I would have probably on a initially taken offense to it, I would have thought, they don't understand that I have physical injuries, right. I would have thought that it was impossible.
And I think, you know, one of the breakthrough things during my injury that really opened my eyes was the awareness of multiple personality disorder, that a person could literally have one illness, pain or ailment in one personality and a completely different illness or pain or ailment in a different personality, you know, but the same physical body. And I thought, how is this even
possible? And there was even this research study of a woman who was blind in some personalities medically blind confirmed ag I know, in some personalities but not other, And I thought, I need a healthy personality. You just go
through your rolodexs and go boom. This one today kind of reminds me of you hear about phantom limbs yes, yea to feel that limb, but your mind is like I actually I read that discouraging information for which at the time I was a bit cynical, and I thought, okay, great, because you know people with amputees they have eighty to ninety percent chance of still having
pain. And as I was researching all of this, I thought at the time, as I was reaching researching, I thought, great, so I could amputate my body and there's still an eighty to ninety percent chance I still have pains. Multiple personality disorder. I was a bit more excited, and I do have absolute compassion on a serious note for anybody who has it.
But that's my truth. I mean I was when doctors said that they couldn't heal me, and then I started looking at the plus eibo and the no cibo and then multiple personality disorder, I mean that was it, really and then energy of the body. I mean it literally just started unfolding as and
everything was pointing at the mind is having the answer. Yeah, But before we go there, because that you're to put the cart before the horse, right, I wanted to I want to really kind of lay down exactly how it was for you, because there were times you couldn't even get up out of bed. You use wheelchairs and walkers. I mean, you were in really, really bad shape. So the pain you were experiencing was something I can completely understand why you'd be offended with someone say, oh you can just
it's you know, just cleared up with your mind, right. Someone had always say that, right, absolutely, so to walk us through from the moment you realized that you were living with this chronic pain that was gonna be with you for a while, to the point where you found your way to who you are now, because you certainly don't look like someone who's suffering from chronic pain now, thank god, I've been out of pain for a lot of years, fourteen years now. So my accident was back in three and
so basically a long story short. I used to do network engineering and operations and at that time I had an accident, and technically two accidents. I had a car accident and then a fall and I fell just wrong, just right, however you want to say it. But I literally went from living a full life to being wheelchair walker, cane, having a neurological disorder. Doctors telling me I had, you know, all kinds of issues, final endplay fractures CRPS, which is COMMS regional pain syndrome. Yeah, I was
a mess and my whole life turned upside down. I mean, on a good day, I could get out get around with my wheelchair walker or cane. On a bad day, I didn't make it out of bed. I had a lot of bad days. It was a morphine for over six and a half years. I mean, I was an absolute mess. And basically when they told me there was nothing that they could do, and they were doing you know, nerve oblasions and infusions and injections and all of that.
But you know, I tried the traditional route of then the supplements and the diet and that wasn't working, and the accupy like all of the this and the that, and you know, all of the things, and it wasn't working. And I just started looking further and further outside of the box.
And I was doing the meditation and the visualization and the believing. I was already healed because I thought initially that it was all about the power of belief and what was that was fascinating because I thought, you know, okay, well, I see the placebo, I see everything pointing to the mind, and I thought, well, I just have to believe, and I was trying and visualizing and all of the things, and it wasn't working for like
years. And then I found something called the open label placebo, which is where both the doctor and the patient both know it's fake. So it's open label. They both know and it still works. And I thought, we'll wait a second, what I know? I know? So I was like, I felt like duped. I was sitting here believing all this time and it wasn't working. No wonder why it wasn't working. It was more than belief. And that's what led me to say, Okay, look, I
just need to understand the medical journals. And I started tearing through every single medical journal I could find is trying to figure out how to heal. Okay, so wait to say, are you telling me that the way that you were able to get beyond pain, and in fact, the way that you recommend people get beyond pain within twenty eight minutes, is just to have you and your doctor believe that the pill you're taking, which is just a sugar pill, is going to do the trick. No, that's what I'm saying.
It didn't work like these okay, okay, good good, No, no, no, no no. What I'm saying is I thought it was all about belief, and so I was trying to believe and believe and believe and believe and believe, and it wasn't working. Okay, And then I found something called the open label placebo, which is exactly like it sounds. It is a placebo that is open label that both the doctor and the patient both know it's a fake pill and it still can work. So it's not
all about belief. And that opened my eyes to say, I have to understand more. Does that okay? So Brandy, I have to understand more. I believe it, and I think, but everybody needs to understand more because I think that there were certain pivotal awarenesses, if you will, that really opened my eyes that it is beyond meditation, It is beyond just believing. It is to create a real change, we really do have to rewire our subconscious mind at a deeper level. And that's the key. Don't look
now, but it looks like there's a raccoon behind you. I did not to say he decides heems like doing the bunny years to you. If I don't pet him, he decides he's going to pet himself with me. He's just he believes that you're petting him. I totally understand and relate to the cat because I'm the same way with Karen all the time. But it ast me so annoying. You guys are so cute. I just love how you guys just beautiful couple. Thank you, thank you so much. You are
as well, and we were having such a great time. We can tell right away as soon as you've logged on this is gonna be fun. We're excited absolutely, So I don't mind my tail. Sorry about that. I usually closed the office doors and yeah, it's okay. We are a pet friendly perfect. So this part of the breakthrough was I had been doing all of the meditation and the positive thinking and the things, and it wasn't working.
And so when I started to really dive in to the medical journals and I said, okay, let me figure out what it is, because I think there was pivotal moments. And one other pivotal moment for me was this was that one of my friends, her aunt, was dying from lung cancer during this whole process of my injury, and she called me up and said, well, you know, do you want to come say goodbye? She's
you know, she's passing. And so she called me. She came and picked me up and I went and as I saw her, she was, you know, in hospice, and she was in and out of consciousness and she had been that way for a few months, you know, in and out of consciousness a lot, and in this just deep, you know state, and she had been doing all the positive thinking and the meditations and all of the things also, and it hit me as I said bye, I said, you know, it just it made me realize, you know,
that's kind of what I looked like, because I was laying there in meditation and visualization and positive like just trying to you know, data state, just trying to get my body to heal itself. And it made me just think, you know, I have to understand this, and so I started simplifying everything and there were key breakthroughs and one of them was this. It was looking at the awareness that we've all heard, you know, stress effects the
physical body. We've heard that, we all know that, but if I looked at it objectively, I could also see that there were people who are very stressed, even had PTSD and trauma who weren't sick, and there were also people who were retired who could be very sick. And what I began to then figure out was it was a certain combination of emotions was the key. And so that was pivotal and it was like an easy way to think about it is, you know, if somebody wants to make cake and you
have flour, you can't make cake. But if you have flower and you mix it with other ingredients, then you can have cake. And if you mix different ingredients, then you have different recipes. And so that was key and understanding also the different emotions affect the body differently, just simplifying and saying,
okay, well, if somebody's embarrassed, their face turns red. We know that emojis, know that on our cell phones, we've got that, you know, a panic attack, racing heart, shortness of breath, sexual thoughts, sexual physical response, and so we can see different emotions affect the body differently, and so it was really about putting that combination together and understanding that there are combinations of emotions and then the specific emotions, and that was
the key to creating radical results. So the emotions is what makes it makes a difference. You can that he's getting emotional about cake. Now, I mean I was getting excited. Honestly, you talk about cake and I am all in. That's all I'm saying. Is good for your health also, and so it was optimism and so I didn't know the cake part. How could you're not? Do you not see me? Look at me? I
do not look like a guy that loves cake. Well, okay, so we have actually heard that that the emotions are the trigger to a lot of things, and belief by itself doesn't necessarily initiate change, but perhaps belief with emotions connected might actually be Ian were talking manifest manifestation. The emotions are the key that makes it, the triggers to bring it to you, right, is that when you're going well yeah, I mean, but we could look
with so much with emotions because emotions there's a biochemical response. Also, emotions shift are energy, and prior to my research, I thought energy was just a woo woo thing. Turns out the person who medically discovered energy was actually nominated for a Nobel prize eleven times and one in Russia. And most people don't realize it, and they still think that energy is just woo woo. Yeah, really really, well, okay, we're going to talk off flanks
and they know who this person is and waiting. We'll look into it. But anyway, so, yes, I can hear that. A lot of pragmatists believe that. I mean, it's been shown in many different research experiments that that energy is is real. But I think what you're talking about is the energy that can heal. That is a little woo okay, So but I mean it's maybe all the same thing. I mean, not like I mean, obviously there's like an ATP type of energy, like a carb up
type of energy, but energy. So it's like this, so light energy from the body. So Alexander Gerswich medical scientists one hundred years ago nineteen twenties discovered that our bodies emit biophotons light energy. Now technically speaking, at the time he referred to it as mitogenetic radiation. We could geek out and call that, but either way, it's biophotons. And a simple way to think about it is, if we think about a light bulb, it emits particles
of light, which are photons. The sun emits particles of light photons, Our bodies or any biological organism emits biophotons, so little particles of light, and they're very faint, but the emit particles of light. Now what's really cool about these particles of light if we geek out a little bit, one of the cool things is that they can influence cellular proliferation and so like cell
growth and division. And a simple way to think about cell growth and division is if we think about dish soap and we pour water on dish soap and the bubbles it deliberates, so cell growth division. So this light energy can influence that. Or even the fact that research has shown that different illnesses emit different biophotons. Now what's also cool is this there is a database. So fast forward, so Alexander Gerswitz was nineteen twenties, fast forward to current day.
There is a database that is under the NASA agreement that is maintained by the Smithsonian and Harvard so ads astro Physicist Database Astrophysics database that is maintained by Harvard and the Smithsonian and has current day research studies on biophotons is recent as last couple of weeks, so we know these biophotons have been proven. There's research and So what's amazing is that they I mean, so many things I could geek out on them forever, But one thing is really cool, is
it. Research suggests that they communicate homeostasis. Research also shows that suggests they communicate information throughout the body. Now, some people might say, wait a second, how does light and energy communicate information throughout the body? And then if we look at Wi Fi fiber optics, there's all light energy that's exactly where it's going to go exactly. You get your cable TV right now with light with fiber optic cables. So yeah, it carries a lot of information,
there's no doubt about that. To put that into the framework of a body, a human body, however, that's a lot more difficult to wrap your head around because it's a bio product. It's not necessarily a I don't know, I'm just second guessing myself. Because it is in natural occurrence, is light and the bodies. That is an organic organism, so that would
make sense. Just sometimes it's so hard to think about these things occurring naturally, you know, because we're so used to everything being fed to as this was created, this was made, This is from this computer lab, This is from this, So that's easy to believe. But when you think about it occurring naturally or something within your body just for some reason, now it's like, oh really, how's that possible? Okay, all right, so
we follow you wait a second. Okay, so but auras like, if we think about light energy, so I mean that's energy from the light energy, so, or if we think about halos. So the amazing thing is is this is all kind of shown throughout history angels with the halos, and
so yeah, we emit light energy. And by the way, like I've been in these, to test them, you have to go into a completely dark room because the light energy is so faint, so it looks like going into a freezer or a vault, like a huge vault lower they shut and you go into this completely pitch black room and then they can test biophotons that come up with your body. Okay, that's kind of cool. That is kind of cool, all right, yes, cool? Okay, So biophotons
and how does that relate to easing pain? In twenty eight minutes? Okay, so well you were we were talking about photon emotions. We were talking about emotions and how emotions can create all kinds of changes. Well, they can change our biochemistry, but they can also change our biophotons. So there's research studies that show like, if somebody is experiencing anger, then they can increase biophoton emissions. Or visualizing white light, it can create increased biophotons out
of the right side of the head, but not the left. So there's all of these things. So our minds, there's a direct correlation between EEG and biophoton emissions. Our minds, our emotions change the emissions. That it's incredible. And so the problem is, of course, there is a lot of medical research is done on cadavers which don't emit any like as in fact that you might like absorb the light. Have you seen them cadaver? I have not actually seen a good never And you know, I somehow miss lack
the desire to see a cadaver. So like, what if it's like a loved one in a casket that considered that's a cadaver. That is a cadapor. This whole conversation went darkhot. That was not me this time, that was not me. I feel like it was will it was extra We talked about this. You will not gang up on will very smart, very smart. He is very smart, and I think we figured out it was well, okay, so this is not fair. I don't like this at all. All right, hang on, just for that, we're going to take
a break. Right We're going to continue the conversation on the other side of this break because we've got a lot more I still need to understand exactly how this works. So stay with us because you don't want to miss the end of this conversation, because Brandy is going to tell us exactly how this works right after these messages stick around. Guess what time it is. Yep,
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Gilmour, who is absolutely blowing our mind in so many different ways. But we're mad at her because she is mad. Yes, she's sticking with you to make you're mad. Not where there's weed. Well, I'm a gemini, so I qualify as a way, and we were I thought you just wanted me to call you like the royal We we are mad at Brandy. I mean I wouldn't be against that either. It's not happening, all right,
listen, So I want to talk about what Brandy does. She's actually here to talk to us about how she was able to get beyond the chronic pain after a horrific accident that she had, and she has now proven or shown research that has shown that you can actually relieve chronic pain in twenty eight minutes or less. And I am so excited to learn about this because I have been in pain for how many years now, like four maybe at least
at least four. So okay, and I don't expect you to give away all the secrets, because we do want people to pick up your book to get most of those. However, I really need to know. Okay. We were talking about biophotons and how we emit light and how you're going to connect that with emotions in belief, and how does you're mixing this wonderful cocktail. But now now I need to take a sip, so go ahead, okay, So I have a question, Uh, oh, do you want
me to show you? Do you want to would you like to do that? We could do that, I mean, or we could not. I don't want to put you on the spot. No, put me on the spot. I will be on the spot spot. Okay, great, let's do it, all right, let's do it. So we don't we don't have twenty eight minutes, can you do it? No? No, we can do a lot faster than that of pain. Now, and there was somebody else in the study. There's only twenty two minutes. But no,
I I I've been achiever under five. I think we could do it under five. All right, all right, I'm looking forward to seeing this. Let's go, let's do it, all right. So where's your pain? It's hips, hips and back? Okay, so binger, all right, so give me one second, all right. So I'm just going to check into your energy real quick. All right, So give me one second,
give me one second, all right? So binga, bing okay, So if I ask you, if I ask you to notice, can you find the feeling of feeling like if everybody else isn't happy already, that you have a hard time being happy or doing things for yourself? Bingo? Is that what you said? Bingo? A little bit of an mpath? Okay? So, uh, bingo. All right, So if I ask you, so there's a bingo. Okay, so zero to ten, how much can you find the feeling of guilt for doing things for yourself? Zero to ten?
How much can you find that feeling? About forty three? To go with twelve? But years was bingo? So go ahead and ask you to breathe. Okay, So, and I'm gonna push a little bit. Okay, wouldn't it be great if your daughter grew up feeling that way too, like guilty for doing things for herself? That would be terrible. Okay, that would be terrible. Quick, let's not do that. So instead, how would you want her to feel? I want her to feel exactly as perfect as she is. Great. So if I ask you right now,
by the way, zero to ten, what's your level of pain? That's about a two. It's about a two. So I gon ask you just for a moment to breathe, and I'm gonna ask you what it would feel like to be able to do things for yourself without any guilt? Like? What would that even feel like? What would it feel like to be able to not only do things for yourself but role model for your daughter? That?
Hey, yet you can do things for yourself and and for the family, like and you can do things for yourself and you really can without feeling guilt. Okay, after I stop crying, I will tell you, Oh, that seems impossible to not fact. So I'm going to ask you to breathe. Okay and so bingo. So I want you to think about exactly that and doing things for yourself. No guilt, no, none at all, none at all. That you actually you're role modeling that you feel great
about that it's an amazing feeling. So I'm gonna ask you to breathe zero at a ten. What's your level of pain? Still about two? Okay? Bina? Okay. There's also this feeling of uh, there's a trigger to the word selfish. Are you familiar with that, like, if you do, it'll be selfish? Can you find that feeling? And if not, that's okay? Yeah, I guess I've never I don't really think of the word selfish. I just think of like, for example, my daughter
is more important. Okay, your sleep is more important than mine. Okay, yes, everybody is more that makes sense. Everybody is more important than you. And it's gonna be so great when your daughter grows up and models that thing with your family, right, I mean I kind of fake it in front of her a little bit. Okay, that thinks she realizes. I mean, I don't know. Okay. So I'm gonna ask you just
for a moment to breath. Be terrible inside inside, no guilt at all, no feeling bad about doing things for yourself at all, Bina, And I'm gonna ask you to breathe. I came untteached. Yeah check check hello hello. Okay, see that's how guilty. I feel like I ripped the micace. Reinforce it though, don't reinforce it. I know it's a joke, but you can't. It'll it'll, it'll undo the direction of it. Okay, Bingo. So if I ask you, are you allowed to be
happy? Yes? Sam, one hundred percent. Yeah. No guilt for being happy? Now great? And are you allowed to do things for yourself? I'm allowed? Great. So if I ask you to breathe and zero to ten, bingo, how much you have a belief in self sacrifice? What would you say? Okay, are you willing to change that? I saw your eyes very big, So now, okay, are you willing to change that? Bingo? So I'm gonna ask you, just for a moment, to breathe. Are you willing to change? Honestly, like real change?
I would like to ask you to breathe. So are you willing to? Are you willing to? Are you willing to? So I'm gonna ask you to breathe. Are you willing to? Are you willing to feel supported? Are you willing to feel supported too? So you guys are supporting each other, and you're willing to feel supported? And I know it wills already supports you. But taking in that feeling that you don't have to sacrifice yourself, just the feeling, even if it's just a feeling shift bingo. And
I'm gonna ask you to breathe. Bingo. And I want you to notice the level of pain here to ten? What's your level? Go about a one bingo? That's what I say, is about a bingo? That's what I have, is about a one point one right there? And uh bingo. So I'm gonna ask you to breathe. And I'm gonna ask you to see yourself walking around feeling like you're important. Of course, your husband's important, of course, your daughter is important. And I'm gonna ask you to
breathe, and you don't feel any guilt. You don't feel any guilt for feeling happy, You don't feel any guilt for doing things for yourself and doing things for them. You feel supported, you feel great, You're supporting them, they're supporting you. It feels like just this power family and couple and
it's incredible. And I'm gonna ask you to breathe, and you feel very very very supported and you feel happy, bingo, And I'm gonna ask you to breathe, and notice your level of pains here at a ten, like maybe a half. That's what I would say, is about a being. That's what I have is about a point six. And so that's ultimately what you want to do is just bring that. So that's what the connector is, is not feeling guilt and all of that. So that was incredible to
watch and here and listen to. And I have insight. I mean, I've always known that you are, but so can you connect a dots with me with the biophotons and what you just did, because I can tell what you're trying to manipulate, not manipulating, but you are revealing emotions that are trapped inside of her that maybe she was aware of but wasn't completely in touch with. You brought them to the surface and tried to get them to be released. But how does that What does that have to do with biophotons?
Okay, so a few things. Okay, So what does that have to do with the biophoto Okay? So it depends on how simple or complex you want to make it. But I would say this, I would Okay, so I'll always try to simplify everything. So I think the let's go with the first first way to unpack this, it would maybe be this would be noticed there was a combination of emotions, so there was a couple different pieces, the guilt, the emotion. So I would say that. I would
say that our bodies, our biophotons are communicating information throughout the body. So I would say that everything is communicated throughout the body. That's another thing I would say. There's also this A simpler way to put it is like this is if we think about if we think about the brain body connection and we just think about somebody. Let's say there's somebody who has a stroke. A
right brain stroke can affect the body on the left side. A left brain stroke can affect a body on the right side, right, And so I would say that any emotional activity that we feel in the mind, not only can it generate activity, biophoton emissions, all of that, but I would say that there's the brain body connection and ultimately to create healing in the body,
that we need to transform that. Now, that's the simple way to put it, because there's a communication that goes throughout our body too, And a simple way to look at and observe the communication is like this is if we think that to the placebo. One person can take the fake pill and they're told that it's going to help their blood pressure, and it can. And another person can take the fake same fake pill, a different one but the same type, but not the same one. That would be weird,
but the babybird, and then it would be nice. So not the baby bird, but they can take the same bill and told that it's going to help their symptoms with IBS, and it can. And so if you think about it, clearly there's a communication going on. And that was something that I had wondered during my injuries. How is this communicating information? And not only that, but then I was able to check in with her body through
a form of communication, so getting information. So that's a whole other thing too, right, And that was something that was not expecting for you. I totally thought you were totally in the sci scientific realm, and you are, but you're also way beyond that, and that's freaking amazing to right, And it was a complete surprise to me. So it made it even better. So I love that I did. I did kind of mention that I
channeled information, but I think you probably thought I was joking. I didn't think you were joking at thought you were just channeling information in a different way. Okay, I get it, I get it, I get it. And that's the thing. Like, so I went from like network engineering and operations and all of the technical stuff, so medical journals were all my thing, and then I healed myself and then my brain opened up with this whole
thing, and that was a whole and then the biophotons things. I mean, that's kind of where the thermal imaging comes in, because you have actually shown this to be absolutely without a shadow of a doubt by thermal imaging. What did you find when you captured that those images? Absolutely? And so I would say a simple way to think about thermal imaging, because this is what happens is to kind of put a nuts put it all in a nutshell. After I yield myself, I thought people are going to think this is
crazy. So then I started showing them how to release pain, and then I would and then I thought, well, I have to show it under medical equipment because people are going to think somebody like Karen is faking it. You look at Karen, think she's go or just she can't be in pain. She looks fantastic and she's you know. And then so I started taking volunteers from the audience and that's but that's what I would do. And I thought people are gonna think, oh, I have neck pain, like they're
faking it or something. So I had to show it under medical equipment, especially because I was world's biggest skeptic, and so I would think personally, if somebody said, oh wow, my pain is gone, that it's not real. So medical thermal imaging a simple way to understand it is like this is, if we have an infection or sprained ankle or an injury, it emits heat from the body and so we can feel sometimes if we put our hand over some type of injury, you can feel heat radiating from it,
and medical thermal imaging detects that at a very advanced level. And so what I've been able to do with that is I'll take somebody who has maybe neck pain, and then under the skin you'll see or hip in, back pain or whatever type of pain, and you'll be able to see on the scan all the heat generating from that illness or pain. And then I'll show people how to use their mind to release it, and you'll see the scin in
real time turn green. And do I do want to say, though it is, it's incredible, but I do want to say, you know, obviously we did some with yours, you really need to follow through all of the way. And so I always tell people with the disclaimer I make it
look ridiculously easy. It does take a real transformation, I'm sure. And that was going to be my next question, but I'm going to let you ask the question I was going to ask, so something like that, is it something that you have to continually do now for you or is your pain gone, You've changed your I don't know, mindset belief and you're done, or do you have to kind of give yourch itself a refresher every once in a while, I am a different person, Like I haven't had to refresh
or fix my mind programming for fourteen years. Now, Wow, how do you? How did you learn to do this? I geeked out on all of the did at first? I did all of the wrong things, and then started from that doing the right things. I think understanding that the combination of emotions was key. That was something understanding also, so we want to go deeper into patterns. Also, so understanding the consciousness of emotions, understanding
the emotions have patterns to them and also control our consciousness. And so it was also you know, thinking about like if we look at we know that
patterns breed more of the same. We could look at repetition, compulsion or law of attraction or reenactments or attachment theory or revictimization, whatever we want to call it, we can see in psychology we can see that our patterns breed more of the same, or another way to put it is kind of like this is we've all heard, simply unfortunately that a woman may have an abusive father and leave him and find the abusive boyfriend, boss, spouse, et
cetera, et cetera. So not only do we have emotional patterns, but we can also have patterns of manifesting and so basic what I began to do is look at different combination of emotions, understand them, understand how they worked, and then understand what I needed to do to heal myself. And then this all opened up. That's fantastic, and it's just so true how much
your emotions can affect you. Like sometimes so I'd love to laugh, have a lot of fun, and sometimes I couldn't know right, I'll be driving in the car and I'll just write that, well, oh, and I'll just just say I want to feel joy, and I'll fixate on just feeling joy, and to the point where I can feel it under my skin. I feel the hairs on the top of it's like bubbles. My whole body will start to feel like bubbles. Like I just, yeah, I just
never thought about actually using that and kind of harnessing that power. That's exactly it. And when you think about it for a moment, we've all heard stress effects the physical body, but when we really think about it, you know, if we look at individual research, I mean, there's studies from Harvard to suggests that stress can even cause autoimmune conditions, or even if we think about optimism, the simple awareness of optimism. Yeah yeah, in this
space he already talks about gratitude and hope. Gratitude is a little tricky. Oh well, that's not what we've heard, Brandy. So let's not burst our bubble. Okay, I want to hear. Okay, go ahead, burst it a little bit, but just a little bit. Let's pretend like somebody has a pattern of guilt for doing things for themselves and then they bring in a bunch of gratitude. Does it help them or does it trigger them? Helps them? I just wanted to answer first. I don't know.
I think it helps Like I guess I could go either way, but I think it helps me. Well, I see Brandon's point, because then you're
being grateful for something that you aren't enjoying or living full. No, but it's like if you feel like you should be punished, if you feel like you're guilty, if you feel like you don't deserve is it had to say Sometimes I'm grateful that things aren't worse, Like with my back aches, I'm like I got on my limbs, you know, like I actually think that is that sometimes sometimes gratitude can be a slippery slope because if a person is
feeling guilty or undeserving or bad about receiving, it can actually be force. Think about it logically, if we just were to think about it logically. I mean, let's say somebody's feeling guilty for doing things for themselves and they're feeling bad and that is their core, and then they go, Okay, well I'm so grateful for this. I'm so grateful for this. Does it help her as a trigger? And my experience it can trigger. Oh,
that's an interesting perspective that we've not heard before. So that's that's I mean, it makes perfect sense. It makes sense. But it obviously does not stay away from gratitude. It means feel deserving, it means get rid of guilt. It doesn't like we and and so I mean even in my TED talk, I talk about bringing feelings of gratitude, but then afterwards I follow it. I carefully did follow it with confidence because if people feel confidence,
usually there's a sense of deserving with that. So I combine those two on purpose. So people go, I said, you know, feel a sense of confidence, feeling good, about yourself because then there's that that helps. So so it's not don't feel gratitude, it's just become aware of we have to be real with what's real. And I think everybody tries to put like a band aid on something and they say, well, just think positive and just do And there's just more to it in my experience for healing, and
the mind works a little bit different sometimes than people might think. But but you mentioned joy and that, but that's exactly it. We want to bring in joy and that's part of the process that I teach is exactly that is
that that punishment patterns can mess us up. Or even another emotional ingredient, if you will, is if somebody has been ill for a long period of time or has a parent who's ill, then in their self image, they can see themselves as being an ill person and then their body will want to create, recreate. And so there's when I said there's an emotion likes cake, I mean a disappointed will here we're not talking about real cake, but
I'll take pie. Okay, Okay, I like pie better than Yeah, we could do that, okay, but yeah, so it's the combination is key. So yeah, it's and then ultimately getting rid of the pattern itself. So the pattern is really key. Okay, yeah, those patterns, man, they will, yeah, they will, Yeah, they will. So like if let's say, maybe this feeling of self sacrifice or guilt or putting somebody last. Let's say, for example, let's say for with Karen, Let's say it started at age eight. Oh, dang, I thought
that you are scary. Scary, We'll go with your seven. But yeah, right in there, right, so yep, So that then it becomes a pattern. Now part of what I had from my own injury. I had a feeling a pattern of survivors guilt, and that was part of my ingredients from nine to eleven. The events of nine to eleven kind of messed me up, but I didn't realize it because I didn't even know. When I worked in technology, I had no idea I even had emotions. You
were you there? No, But I was on the phone with people. So that's exactly what I thought. I would have never thought, because that's what I would have said. I wasn't even there. But I worked in network engineering operations at the time, and my shift in California was five to two, so I was five am to two pm. So I was on the phone and then I had a colleague, you know, yelling like help
me and help me out. Oh my god. You know, that's really interesting you mentioned that because I was I work in television and at the time of the Towers, I actually was in a control room for a newscast as an assistant director as the plans were hitting, and I was privy to a lot of footage that was never released because it was too graphic of people taking
things into their own hands, let's just put it that way. And it was really difficult and I had never connected that with anything, but maybe I need to look at it, because at the time it was very It impacted me in a big way. At the time, I wasn't even there. I was in Florida, but still I was privy to a lot of stuff that I wasn't happy about. So that's an interesting interestant connection. So interesting connection on top of that is that in connection with that is that that's exactly
so in telecommunications, we had to no current events. So I sat at my desk and even after the colleagues had helped me, help me, and then the phone went dead and it was like I just wanted to help. But then after that all we had televisions on every pillar in the the uh in around my desk, So then I was watching the footage over and over
and over out of the out of my peripheral vision. And then not only that, but then I don't know if you remember, like there was like the red and the orange zone and all of that on if we're in terest, And so my brain linked up that we were going to die, and I had the survivor's guilt and all this, and I didn't even know I had emotions about it. I and me. I wanted to die to save others, and I was more concerned about others, But that all got linked
up in my head. That's that's amazing how our mind does things like that for you. But we are like, I don't want to I don't want to stop talking to you. You are so much fun to talk to and I think we could talk to you for days. But I definitely want to make sure we talk about your book, because to put the connect the dots here, we not everybody who reads your book is going to be able to have you here to do what you did with Karen just now, So does
your book teach someone how to do what you just did it. I mean, not the being go part, but maybe because the thing of it is this. I didn't say, hey, I want to play bingo with myself all day like that did not. Actually when this started coming through, I really said, Okay, this is weird. But I guess at least it's not yatzi. That's what happened. I mean, bingo yatzi is all the same, but you just yell it out when you win. Yees. So I'm like winning all day but that but that, yeah, it does.
It helps people to create radical changes, even like people on reviews have already been saying, oh my gosh, I'm getting out of a pain cycle. Now I understand how to do it. So what's really fun about my book is that it outlines the science behind it and you just look at it and it makes sense. Like so, one thing is really great is you know, I've had people that have been trying to study and heal themselves for ten, twenty thirty years, forty years, and they read it and they go,
oh my gosh, mind body healing. Now it makes logical sense. So that's part one, and then part two is the Gift Method and it's exactly it's how to work with your mind and heal your body, and it takes somebody step by step through the process. Wow. Well, I'm obviously good to buy the book because this is fascinating and it's so far right up my alley. As a pragmatist, I've always you always find try to find ways to wrap your head around the esoteric. And what you're talking about,
I think is that's key. I mean, that's that sounds like it's like I'm clicking for you totally. I mean it's clicking, but it's clicking in a way that makes me want to know more. Yeah. So if someone wanted to reach out to you or to get your book, what's the best way for someone to do that. My book is in bookstores or Amazon or Barnes and Noble anywhere books are sold, and on my website Brandy Gilmore dot
com. The fun thing is there's also a video under thermal imaging where it says, see live heal and you can see me actually working with somebody. I saw that when I was researching you. I saw that it was really actually very cool. Your ted targ is also there, which is really cool. And we're going to add a link in our show notes to your website and to the book that it's called Master Your Mind and Energy to Heal Your
Body. And I cannot wait to get my hands on it. Your website has so much information on it. I get to read it first, though, because I have the pain. But no, I called it first. I called it first. It's like I called shotgun. I'm sorry, Mother's Day is coming up, But that's not that you can't pull the Mother's Day card. That's so wrong. That's so wrong. Oh all right, we need to get two copies. You know, he was sitting here being so
sweet and nice. I was literally thinking to myself, I thought we were supposed to gang up on him, and he's making it hard. He's just being all nice. But now, but after the Mother's Day comments, I feel right. I feel like he kind of opened the door a little bit there. Oh good lord. I don't want one step forward two steps back. All right. I got to end this interview because I cannot. I
cannot be gained up instead of just visiting. All right, once again, Randy, your book is called Master Your Mind and an Interview to Heal your Body. We're going to add a link directly to your book and to your website on a show notes. So all you need to do is go to skepticmantaposition dot com and find your episode. You will see the links direct laid indirectly there. So it's super easy to get in touch. Brandy, you and I and caring we're going to be talking a lot more because we got
a lot more conversations to go beyond that. Definitely, I look forward to it. Cool. All right, Well, thanks so much for coming and sharing of your expertise, and thank you, please please please stay in touch absolutely, thank you so much for having me. You guys are so much fun. It's been such a pleasure. Likewise, thank you very much and a huge thank you to you. We know that there are tons of options out there, and having you decide to come along on our journey of just
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