Karen, I think we finally made it. I'm excited. Well, I mean, when you have a celebrity with the cred that our next guest has, you know, that's when you finally made it. I know, this is so awesome, right. So, you've seen her on the smash hit show Ghost Adventures, which is Travel Channel and Discovery Plus's number one paranormal show. And if that wasn't enough, you've also seen her on any of a dozen other shows, from Master Chef to Wipe Out to America's Got Talent,
a bunch of podcasts, radio and video shows. She's worked with legends like Emma Stone, John Voyd, Josh Damel, Chevy Chase, Gregory Hines, and she's conducted seances on radio, film and TV. And that's not even coming close to any any of it. Did I mention we finally made it? I know? I feel like you know, this is charity for her, so talking to us, and we will gladly accept it. Thank you so much. My name is Will and I'm Karen, and unlike Boulder and
Scully, both want to believe. So we've embarked in a journey of discovery. Welcome to skeptic politicians. Classics. You are listening to the classic Skeptic Metaphysicians. Welcome to classic and skepticis Welcome to our version of a walkdown memory Lane as we present classics from the Skeptic met Physician Library. Warts and all, Welcome to the Skeptic Metaphysicians. I'm Will and we are the host for
this particular journey of discovery. We are excited if you couldn't tell by now, because we get to talk to psychic medium and good Witch of Hollywood. Aside from all the other stuff I mentioned, she's also an international best selling author. She's worked with massive influencers, YouTubers, crossover talents like Lily Singh, Good Mythical Morning, and Awesomeness TV, and she's been featured on the number one paranormal show on YouTube, tfil with Elton Caste. She's graced numerous
magazine covers. She's contributed to over twenty books. She has a popular weekly podcast called The Witching Hour, and if that wasn't busy enough, she's also just launched her second weekly podcast, Patty Nagri's Haunted Journal and Yes there's an Aunt. She's also a partner and vice president of paraflix dot com streaming service, and she's a partner and educator at University MAGICUS, an online spirituality school. I think that at least they've scratched the surface. But let's welcome to
the show. Patty. Thank you so much for coming on, and you are so welcome. You guys are so cute. Thank you for having me on. You said my name perfectly, Negree, Patty Negri because I always go in rhymes with nothing, my entire life decades going Negrie rhymes with nothing. And it's a weird name that people get. How do I say that name right? I used to was able to say Begley rhymes of Ed Begley, who's an actor and an activist. But people don't know who he is
anymore. But that means nothing. I certainly do. Who doesn't know who iss A. He's a big name. I'm surprised we didn't put his name on the creds those dark kids, I guess, I guess because it sounds like that, but no, so you said it right. Well, you're gonna be a lot of fun to talk to. I can already tell you are our type of people. This is going to be so much fun.
So I'm a little overwhelmed because I don't know where to start right. One of the things that when that I do when I bring a guest on is I do a little bit of research on them, and I found that there is just so much about you that I think we need a these four shows so you can come close to covering it. But one thing that strikes my curiosity because on your website you really talk about the fact that you conduct seances,
and that's not something that we've talked to on the show before. Because when you think about seances, when you think about that Madame Xanadu where the table's moving and you get the crystal ball in the center and people holding hands and there's someone in the other room kind of making room. So what does a typical seance with Patty Negret look like? It looks like a lot of
different things. I've literally been doing them since I was seven or eight, if you read my bio on that, I've always been kind of I've always been able to talk to the other side, and I've always been obsessed with the dead, and never in a darker morbid way, you know, like most people are nice, most ghosts are and I so I literally went in my little suburban hallway, closed all the doors, realized I didn't know dead people came up with a way because the way I see energy, that's wart.
I lift the enclose a veil, so I'm Marilyn Monroe and John whoever I knew at age seven or eight, filled with orbs and lights, and I went running out and jumping up and down at the same time, going this is real. So I've spent my entire life studying science, a cult, science, a religion, philosophy, metaphysics and all sorts, and take it down to the energy that I do see, and it's pretty great.
So my style of seance I work as a little bit of the old fashioned spiritualist turn in the last story, give me a nice table and give me a crystal ball, gret. I don't have anybody in the other room going woo, not even on TV. But there's this gentle way to it. It's funny because my real siance is we're going to talk to you or deceiased loved ones. We're going to call in grandma and uncle and the kid that
died when you were in school, and they're so happy to come. And the way I lift the veil that everybody, whether it's a you know, you know at thirteen people around on my dining room table, or it's a hall with six hundred people in a mediumship, everybody gets more psychic than everybody. Wow, I could kind of kind of see my dad. I can kind of feel it because it's like peeking in, and that's just something I was innately born with. It's interesting because again, they are these sweet,
empowering things. If you see me doing it on television, not necessarily so, because TV doesn't want to talk to Grandma. They want to talk to the serial killer and the Saint Asylum who start fourteen people and I get to channel that person. You know, Grandma loves you, so they can go any which way as I work elementally, so I don't try to offend anybody
religion wise or philosophy wise in how I open and how I close. As a reformed TV news producer, I understand if it bleeds, it leads, So I get why people would want to talk to serial killers and all that kind of stuff. But so you you've actually performed seances on television, in radio shows, you've actually worked, I mean, you were known as the good witch of Hollywood. Right, So you work with big, big names to do things. And I know that we all live in an MDA world,
so we can't talk specifics about stuff, which I get. But when celebrities come to you the most part, because you are a psychic medium and you're a good witch and you offer spell castings as well as seances and all that kind of stuff. What's the most things that when celebrities come to you they ask for And it doesn't have to be a celebrity, it could be
the secretary next door. First always is love. It just love. Relationships are important to us humans, whether they're wanting relationship or they're wanting to better their relationship or whatever their lung lost love relationship and love is almost always first. Then it's going into career and family second, and then it's going into health and all that stuff like that. Third, and it's across the board.
I don't care if your a list, Academy award winning whoever, whoever, or again the person who just got off the bus trying to make it for themselves. That's the human thing we want to look at stuff. And again, the spell working I do, the good witch, I don't like white witch versus black witch, because too many connotations. I work good. I'm not going to do anything that's negative or hurt anybody else. But what I see, and since i've as a kid, is that we have away
our power way too much. It's like and if a spell working is a way to do that, it's not hard to have money, it's not hard to find the love. Let's see. I literally in my even my spell working take the mystery out. It's mind, body, spirit, that philosophical idea that twenty thousand books are written about, from psychology to self help to spirituality and witchcraft and spellcasting, creation, working, dispatch. You have to create what you want need. You have to know you believe you deserve it,
believe you can have it. Then you're going to do the working. Then you're going to whether you're grinding a candle or a mortar and pestle, or you're you know, you're tying knots together and chanting over a fire or writing out a schedule, creating a thing. And then the spirit is the magic that makes it happen. So again, whether you can go sit in your psychologist's office and talk about vision boards and affirmations, and New Age stuff. You go to church, you go to temple, and your prayer,
it all fits the same. It's science as much as anything else. It's however you dress it. And I just show people how to be really good at this because take our power back. We are these amazing beings. We are divine beings. I believe whatever your idea of divine is. And we have free will. That free will thing is are like get out of jail free card, and to create the life you want. And people so often
give it away, They give away their power. So figure out who or what you gave it away to and take it back, you know, whether it's fear other people or limiting belief systems. So that's what I do, whether we're sitting here talking to your dead dad or you know whatever else. And I have so many questions. I know, I know that I kind of want to start at the beginning. I just need to know. You said you had these power since you were seven or eight. What was that
like for a kid that young to be in touch with dead people? Was as scary? Did you feel safe? Was it exciting? How did they come to you? So many questions. I just thought everybody could and no, it started at four, probably when you could talk. The fish I do seance is started at seven or eight. In my little suburban house. Four or five, I just knew that those so called imaginary friends little kids have, we're not all imaginary. I could get real information, what's going
to happen tomorrow, what Uncle Bob's middle name really was. That I wouldn't stuff like that, And like I said, most spirits and I think kids do. It's just in our modern society, our western society, our non mystical society. We said, everything into logic and the left right, that's your imagineary friends. We've even take the magic and mysticism even out of religion and stuff. It's like, and we need it. We need it. Take art out of schools, their math scores go down. So I just
thought everybody could talk to them. And I still think kids can until it gets taught out. And it just didn't get taught out of me. And even on the witchy side of things, I would be in my little suburban backyard in making these weird concoctions of rosemary and mint and mixing them up and stuffing him in my mom's wallet, knowing that would bring her more money. She didn't quite get it all the time, like what are you doing? Why are you putting all these plans into It's like, no, it's money.
No it's not money. Yes it is money. This will give you money. And I just knew it. And then years later you study herbs and magic and apothecary and it's like, yeah, I was right. It just knew it. We know things, we just forget and we don't tap into it. Whether you want to call it instinct or intuition. What animals have it, humans have it too. We just forget. And was your family supportive? Did they think you were kind of crazy? Did they have
it in them as well? How was that dynamics? Yeah, always supportive of My mom was always like oh yeah, grandma did that too, Grandma howies would know when somebody's gonna die because her mother would come down at the end of the bed. So that was good. And I think also it was kind of lucky about me, is that I was not It was never evil or bad. I wasn't raised with some kind of religion that told me that was bad because you talked to dead people. My mom would have been
a good old Southern Protestant of whatever. My dad father came over from Turkey. It would have been a nice Sephardic Jew. But my grandfather was this very famous psychoanalyst, philosopher atheists, practically evangelical atheist, thinking anything religion or spirituality was a weakness and would not have any of it in our family.
So we would go by, we'd I dread by a church or a temple, or a mosque or a park, and I'd see the energy and I'd see the energy people going in and out, and I want to go in. And I wanted to go in, but it's like that God word's a dirty word. I don't say that. So I think I was thirteen years old and there was this really cute Christian rock band playing at my friend's local church, and I just wanted to go see the really cute Christian rock band. And I was so scared to ask my mom if I could go to
church. I mean, I would might have fell seafer. Can I go to a rave? Can I go to somewhere? But it's like can I? And then my mom goes, you could do whatever you want, you could do anything, And I'm like, So I became a seeker I started going. I went to church, Okay, I like this, I don't like. I went to temple, I went to a mon I went to Buddhism, Tibetan, Buddham this that new and then the New Age thing, ooh that's pretty cool, Shirley McLean and all that. And then it's like,
oh, but that's a little squeaky ken. That's a little pasteli for me. I like a little I'm an earthy girl. And then I discovered like a pagan path. It's just been this little led by spirit, led by spirit all the way along. Gosh, so many questions and so many questions. But before we get too far out of it, you just mentioned stuffing all those urgent things in your mom's purse. Do you feel it's the actual material that's the magic or is it the intention behind the material that makes
it happen? Because we've heard both sides that of that equation, yes and yes, yes, yes you know what I knew. You going to say that I knew it. Yeah, And aspirin is gonna work whether you believe in it or not. And herbs, why does people think it's so weird or oils or sense? This is what we make medicine out of So why mugwork is an enhancer, rosebery is protective, all these things. I don't know why even people think that's odd, because it's what we make medicine,
it's what we make electronics, everything out of. Yes, the intent, we have to have intent. If you were going to go deep and you're going to create something, you do, but it's gonna work no matter what. It'll just work even better if you if you know what you're doing, because it fits into that mind body, mind, body spirit or creation working
dispatch, you know. And so yeah, both completely both. Yeah, No, I understand you're talking to someone that has a crystal in his hand as he does every show, so ah, matching, So I totally understand it. But to me, it's more of a it's more of a tool to help me focus like that. Yeah, And we don't need any tools, but they're nice to have. You don't need a dishwasher, but if you just served a five course dinner to twenty people, it's nice to have
one. I do believe we don't. We have everything. We have the receiving hand of a giving hand. We have our breath, which is our new min it's our life force. We have the moisture in our Our moisture is our free will. That's why some cultures spit like, ah, pretty baby, you don't. But we have free will, we have life force, we have breath, we have air, we have sight, we have we have it all. So if we have nothing, we could still do
magic again. But if we have tools, it's nice. Absolutely. So what is it like catering to the Hollywood crowd as a as a witch or as a psychic medium. It's great, It's it's again. People are people are people, but people who get to a certain level of success there's something that got them there. Yes, good lucks matter, Yes, talent matters, because not having the talent you won't stay or whatever. But they have this energy about them, they have this life force about them. They have
to have a drive about them. You have to have a determination. I mean most of the time, yes, somebody could be born into something. So these are high vibration, life force people. And also usually to be into the creative, especially if it's Hollywood creative. There are people who really I talk a lot left brain, right brain. You're your left reasoning,
rational, logical brain. Got to have that to get through life, but that right creative, intuitive, spiritual, artistic side, and people who get there, they really know how to dance between the two without us shutting each other down. Regular people have an intuitive thought, but oh that can't be true. They're shut it to the other down. They know how to dance
between it. So it's nice working with that. Plus it's nice, I mean, I mean funniest thing, Like you know, a house clearing at the little you know, the little the little track house down the street is fun. When your house clearing at the Aaron Spelling Mansion, it's like wild, this house has got nine hundred and twelve rooms. Or you're clearing it's like, wow, this is the biggest thing I've ever seen. Or you're having to clear out the phil Spector Castle. It's like, ooh, we
gotta go dark. This needs clearing. Stuff like that. So it's all great. But other than that, they're these beautiful people. They have the sact same fears and doubts and insecurities and pride and desires. It's just they get to it, gets get dressed up a little, you know, literally like that brought up and walked on red conference. It's pretty cool. Yeah, now, Patty you were voted number one psychic medium, trance medium, trow reader, which magical practitioner whatever in the world. Yeah. Crazy,
huh Yeah, in a competition by Times Square Press. How was it that you got voted number one? I have no idea. No, it was a vote, an international vote. It was like basically like a people's choice. How even the Times Square Press thing happened is like years and years and years ago. Somebody called me up and it was some magazine and done by Time Square Press, and they said, we are interviewing the ten you know, top psychic mediums and the I don't know nation in the world. I'm
like, great, why are you calling me? Even at that time, I hadn't been doing that much TV stuff because I used to keep that very separate, very separate until the big economic crash. But I'm like, they go, no, we don't mean the richest, and we don't mean the most famous. We mean the ones with the reputation and for the best and
whatever. Okay. And the guy who did that, who was the publisher or an editor of the magazine, he kind of fell in love with these ten people that he interviewed, and at that time he said, you guys need a professional organization for what. He goes, Plumbers have them, doctors have them, lawyers have them. Because it's true. There is not a worse profession, or more shysters, or more fakes, or more everything you want to do than this profession. You know, not that many neurosurgeons are,
you know, fake their thing. So he goes, if anybody needs a legitimacy, you guys do. So he started the American Federation of Certified Psychics and Mediums, where then people would start applying from all over the world. And you had to be tested. Oh did you have to be tested? If you say you're a crystal person, you better know everything about crystals, you say astrology, you know everything you say. You're a psychic.
You are tested and tested and tested and tested to give this legitimacy. You've never got in trouble for like upselling or telling somebody they have a deminute test or guild curse. So he started this thing, and then somewhere along the line he said, well, if all the best of the best are trying to do this, there should be a contest. And there it came, I don't know, so I don't that's all I know very cool. So of all of these different modalities that you practice, which one do you prefer?
Which one are you the best at or what works best for you? Oh? I think I think what I'm best at. Again, I think I'm I'm probably what I'm not good at. It is not because I'm not good. Is that my which side trumps my psychics? I'm a dang good medium. I'm going to be able to talk to most everybody. I'm a dang good psychic. But the witch that free will thing takes over me. So I'm not if I don't want to take somebody else's power away, because
nothing's written in stone, there's that. It's like, I'm not going to go you're going to get hit by a bus on Tuesday because I'm seeing it. Because because if I said that, that person's gonna we we live into that, they're gonna go out and get hit by a bus. I'm gonna go be really careful on Tuesday. You know you don't want to cross you don't want to do this, You want to do this, stay home,
do whatever, don't cross any streets. So they don't do that. So if people want prediction psychic, like somebody when I was a little kid, and this is probably partly why I didn't even ask for a reading. See I don't think you read anybody without asking, without permission. But somebody grabbed my hand. My mom was singing at an old folks home and said, you're gonna have three husbands. You're gonna have fertility problems. You're gonna have oh baby, Oh but they're dead babies. All of a sudden, I
hit sixteen. There's these fertility problems. Oh, if you got pregnant, you'd have to take the fertility drug. Oh but your view dos can't care. Oh there's dead baby. I'm living into all this. She should never have said. And yes, I am on my third husband, third times a charm, but it's like it should be. What how I would work with somebody saying, Okay, you could have three husbands, and the reason
that the first two you married wrong is because this isn't right. You're marrying your daddy, or you don't have enough of sense of who you are. So give the sense of who you are, and you don't have to have threes. You don't have to do this. So I would say, if somebody's looking for a fortune teller, I'm not good at that because I'm not going to give you my power. Even if I see on Tuesday you're going to hit by a bus, I'm going to say, let's not get hit
by a bus on Tuesday, because we are powerful beings. What I really like in my I like doing something different every day. Where I am clearing your house, where I'm new working one on one clients. I like. I like to see a light bulb. I like teaching, so whether I'm on Bad Girls Club, teaching the Little Girl fighty girls on the Goofy TV show how to not beat each other up, to going okay, let's make this column. Listen, this is your power, you know, light bulbs.
That's why my group keeps getting younger and younger. I started with the forty something Zax and then the twenty something TFILS, and then I started Awesomeness the teen set. Now I've got these like thirteen and fourteen year old YouTubers. It's like, let's go I'm waiting for my kindergartener show. And that's why I started the school. It's about letting people go, oh wow, I can create the life I want. I don't have to have physical illness.
I don't have to have money issues. I don't have to feel lonely or lack of love. I don't think we any of us do. Yes, there is some fate. Yes, there is some destiny. We can't control everything where we're born, this or that, but we completely control what we do with it. And that's the everything. That's the everything. If I didn't believe in all this, I would have been dead years ago.
Years ago, I was told because of those weird female problems. By the time I was thirty, they said, if you make it to fifty, which you probably won't make it to fifty, you will be in a wheelchair because you have to burn your head fresh. And I just kind of went, no, no, I'm not going to buy this prognosis. I'll do the right things. I'll take the medicine, I'll work out to exercise. So at fifty instead of being dead or in a wheelchair, I hadn't been
sick in twenty years, and I'm like, screw this. How powerful are we? I'm going to try out for I'm a Hollywood Girl. I'm a try out for wipeout the World's Hardest obstacle course. So I beat one hundred thousand people, not the most physical one of there, and I got on wipeout and using magic, spell working good magic. You don't have to do naked mag you don't have to go. I hope that person's brains are ankle.
I go. You do good, and you do good, and you do good, and what you put out you get back and then shines out. And then I'm on. Then I'm doing the most painful, hard, scary thing I've ever done, but it's empowering. And then again same thing, and then I'm like, Okay, wow, that's fun. What else can I not do? Show people that the power we have, whether you want to call the spell worker. Okay, they won't let me in the kitchen. I can't cook. I got kicked out of I'm going to cook
for Gordon Ramsey. Next thing I know, I beat another one hundred thousand people, and I'm on Master Chef three, cooking for Gordon Ramsey and Joe BOSCIANAJ and Graham didn't last long because I really don't know what boiled water means, but I get that with positive magic, the same thing, and then I'm going, oh my god, we are so powerful. And then not because I it's just everybody needs a hobby, and I'm like, Okay, what am I really not right for? Besides wipe out and besides master Chef
America's Got Talent, I have no talent. I'm a dancer, but not backing a dancer. Danced with Gregor Hines, right, yes I did. I'm a good tapper. I'm a good talent. But next thing I know, I am rolling around on the floor with Howie Mandel at the Dolby Theater on America's Got Talent. It wasn't hard, and I have no more talented. I am no more gifted. I really picked things I was bad at to see what we can do. That's what I like best. Showing people
how powerful they are. That's fantastic. Whether it's on a TV show, a cool TV show, a silly TV show, whether I'm zoom teaching my students in school world, or I'm with a bunch of you know, preteen kids on YouTube. That's what I like best. And talking to your deceased loved one. So yeah, it's okay. Granny says she was glad you weren't there when she died. She didn't want you there. She waited until
you know, people to get so confused. We need to take a quick break, but we'll be right back with more amazing conversation on the skeptic metaphysicians. And now back to the skeptic metaphysicians. So that earlier you mentioned something about the fact that sometimes people don't allow things to come into their lives. You're talking about doing all these things and you had them happen because of the
magic that you that create the intentions. I'm a student of the law of attraction in a big way, and I'm trying to attract certain things to me and all that kind of stuff. But it's taking a long time for things to manifest, right, And all the books are saying, right, I'm reading all the Abraham Mixed books and all that stuff, and they're all saying that maybe I'm just not allowing them to come to me. So how does someone let go of the need or the or the non allowing it to come,
because darn it, I want it. The word you've said is trying, got it? Trying? Trying? I mean trying if trying is a positive word for you, but it isn't. Trying means it's hard. Trying can mean it's hard or it may not work. Just be just do just That's what allow means. B do live as if step into it. We do that with spell working too, and if if, and don't start too big. If you have to get to that, like I'm really good with
money spells, really good. But if so, if you believe, if you go I want to win seventy five million dollars, you have to believe that you can win seventy five million dollars, that you're worthy of seventy five million dollars, and that you can do that. If you don't, you're not going to get it because you don't really believe you're trying to get it, and you're going to struggle. Start out with one thousand dollars, I'm going to manifest I'm going to do money spell that I'm gonna get a thousand
dollars. It's gonna come like that. Maybe next time I'm gonna do five thousand and then ten stairstep. Just like you learn how to dance or ride a bike, so are you doing either something that breaks the laws of physics, like fly without an airplane. We'll be able to do that soon but not yet. But you know, start within your belief system because you'll never the psychological part of it, the creation, working dispatch, the mind,
body spirit. We know we will never ever surpass our blowne belief Systemio. Okay, so Karen, that is why we don't have a million downloads per episodes yet so far, because I don't think that the show is good enough for it yet. See the second, the second you believe it is good enough, that it will be good enough, and then you'll get it. So then how do you handle a perfectionist? Because right, because I've I've been fighting with that my higher life. Right, I'm a perfectionist at heart,
but I'm trying to let go of it. So I'm always going to be with the shows. It could always be better. The show could always be better. So how do you fight that perfectionism inside you? You I'm not big on fighting. You Just change your perspective, yeah, because fighting is good of an energy into this, just like change your perspective of what o perfection is? Look at things that that is like art? Is there a perfect painting? Van Go more perfect than a whoever? Like? You
know? So it's changing what is perfection? And your idea of perfection may be very imperfect and then you might wing to embrace that. So if you're for something to be perfect, you're always going to believe it's not. Yeah, that's what I've been fighting. I mean, our show is really good, right, people love it, We have a lot of fun. I'm just well, I mean that the information is not quite exactly where it needs to be. Are the polish isn't quite there, It's got to be.
The guests aren't perfect. Me. I'm constantly criticizing what we're doing, and when everyone around me is telling me, no, the show is really good and I appreciate that, but I'm like, oh, that's nice, thanks for the kind words. Okay, but haven't you noticed that some of your the biggest foibles or the goofy things or the things people like the best? Yes, yes, yes, So there goes your perfection out the window. If somebody if I if you're on Facebook and you have your pretty picture,
people will like it. You're crazy picture. People will love it. You'll get ten times the likes. Put some more importance on the humanity part, the unexpected part, the unknown part. We really don't want this perfect world. We would all look the same, we would all be the same, we would all think the same. Again, it's a perspective change. It doesn't have to mean any one thing, but just change that. Perfection is
the unknown. Perfection is imperfection. Perfection is because I mean, just practice that with a a dumb picture and a good picture, which one gets to like picture. Go back and look at your shows where you guys had some goofy thing that happened, that you got flustered, or you've got whatever.
People love it because shows you're human too. And I'm being an incredible hypocrite right now because my messaging to my daughter has always been the beauty is in the imperfections, right, Beauty is in the flaws, and I do I believe that wholeheartedly when it comes to everybody else. Of course, were human, that's that's that's were these humans are the most amazing beings. But we are silly creatures, so silly, and I think that's what makes our show
so much fun is that we don't take it seriously. We just have fun. So, speaking of fun, can you share with us one of your experiences that has been super impactful, you know, without obviously without sharing names or anything, but just something that has just you've seen in the tangible, life changing moment. Yeah, I think the craziest thing that happened to me and I can talk about this one is and I have talked about this one. It's but it's crazy, it's really wild. Is. I was at
a house again Big in Life, Big in Death. Zach I was talking about it's fun to work with, you know, famous or successful people because they have so much life for us. When they die, they're bigger ghosts. That's why. That's why partly they want to go talk to the serial killer ghost. But I like hanging out at the Hollywood Roosevelt where they're swinging from the chandeliers because they can or they want to get out of new words there. But Big in Life, Big in Death. So there was we
were doing a documentary as a film for camerast in my neighborhood. I live in the Hollywood Hills, right into the Hollywood Sign old nineteen twenties movie enclave, the first one there. So there'd be a little writer's bungalow next to
a movie sharman next to a writer's bungalow. And this house had been built by Charlie Chaplin for one of his many girlfriends, Mary Astor and a silent movie star, and it was a party house and party house and whenever you had drugs or alcohol involved, you can get some weird stuff in just saying stuff. And it was a party house, party house. And then Rolling Stones manager was Rolling Stoning Stones manager moved in and the Stones lived there or
stayed there. The mom was and papa's graand parson, all these creative chaotic people. And then they moved out. And then the person who invented the real life sex doll moved in and house was. He talked about the energy in this house, and then he moved out. And then my neighbor for seven years, Marilyn Bannson, moved in and he recorded there in the basement. So the house really does attract this creative, talented chaotics, sometimes dark,
sometimes whatever people. So this house and it looks like it was built by almost like Mace, a Masonic temple. Sacred. There's literally is a compass drawn in the floor, the wood floor as you come in this four level round stoke ooh spirits like that, this leaded glass thing almost like oh God, sacred geometry everywhere. So we were doing a seance with young people. Young people have big life for us. So that's why poltergeisty happens those
teen years. And this was a group of young people around it, and this one kid got disrespectful. So that's my one rule. Whatever I'm doing is I believe, don't believe, be a little skeptical. It's okay, try to be open, but whether you believe it or not, be respectful because it is real and nobody likes to be disrespected, from you to anybody else. Two spirits. This one kid get a little out of hand, a little more than a little out of hand. And first cool things were
happening. The French doors flew open. Everybody's screaming, and the producer aside of me is like, wow, that's good, and I mean, I would never fake anything life. And then that happened again. And then the speakers, you know, old school speakers on the floor, How bigod you? They came on a white noise. They sounded just like a spirit box. We look later they weren't plugged, and that happened again. But this tension was building and I'm feeling it coming in and I'm trying to keep hold
on the room, trying to keep hold on the room. We were working with a Wuiji board, which again I've used safely since I was seven or eight. It's just how you use it. But all of a sudden he said something really stupid, and not him, but the cameraman facing him burst into flames. What what like a V up his back like angel wings of fire up his back. Two cameras cut four cameras. Two cameras caught it.
One camera started filming the ceiling or the floor. You know you're gonna test the metal of a camera person by a small room with a lot of people bursting into flames y. His camera, of course, is facing the opposite way, going like this. He's wondering why is everybody screaming and pointing at it? As his shirt full of burns off him like it was a synthetic. It's a cott and it should not have burned off like that. It's like, oh, and a cool medium, which Patty becomes medic Patty,
which I am. I'm emt like drop and roll. I'm calling in my guardians to shut it down, drawing what we're done. I don't care what we're filming. Nobody burst into flames on my watch. This is not all right. This is really not all right, ha. So but the guy who caught on fire, who was a super skeptic, he was like, oh my god, I spontaneously combusted. This is I'm okay, I'm okay. It's like you're not okay. I'm watching the blush you go. I'm okay, okay, I have a sweater tick off that burnt shirt.
I knew the kid that caused all that was not going to be a problem. He became the choir boy in the corner. No, some of it exists. But what happened even crazy, I know on Tummas, I'll talk really about. He showed me his back three weeks later and where the blistering was, and it looked like he went and got a tattoo of a dragon, open mouth, sharp teeth, winged body into the shape of the serpent. That is the exact energy I called in to shut down the sands.
I work dragon energy, dragon magic, crossroads magic. I'm looking at him, I'm like, oh my god, you have a tramp stamp of a dragon on your back. That is like the coolest thing. I then he thought so too. He actually ended up writing a horror film script about this TV second medium who did every TV shop me. Basically, I hope somebody fabulous plays me, and then and then a portal opens, and then it becomes a horror film, one of those scary fun anyones that I like.
He wrote it with Stephen Norrington, the guy who wrote Late League of Extraordinary Gentlemen in the Paid series. Yeah, and so, I mean, they haven't done it yet. I hope they do do it. But I did sit down with them for five hours. I go, you can't say that on camera. He goes, but you said, I go, I know those words will sound to do something. You don't want to be one of
those cursed horror films. To you, it happens all the time. A spirit and energy whateveryone call it does not know the difference of an actor reading office scripla versus. So I changed all the words that it won't be all the actors die at twenty seven or anything. But that was That was the wildest spontaneous combined. I'm married to a drummer. I've seen spinal tap. It's like, oh, so, yeah, that was the wildest. But I've had a million of them. Okayally can so when Karen asked that question,
that was not the answer. I was expecting no. I just thought that the table was going to wobble around or something. But now, do you consider yourself a trance media? Were you a conscious medium? Or how do you trans medium? I will go into trans state. There's evidential medium, which like Cydy Kays. I love her madly. She's on tools, her files and a lot she's I've worked with her a lot here and she's like details, No, you're wearing purple underwear and green socks and your grandma
said that I'm not that good in that. But I am a trans medium. I will let people channel through me. I will become Grandma or whoever. The weirdest time. And this is one of the crazy places, the Cecil Hotel. We've all heard of the Cecil Hotel. You know, the Lissa Lamb in the water tower, people drinking her. Richard Ramirez lived there. I've done probably more than a lot of people. I've spent two nights there with Ghost Adventure Zach and the Guys, one night there with my tfil
boys. Just finished the CW show. But that do you start walking half a block away from that house. The depression and the depression you want to kill yourself hopeless. I almost jumped out the window. I led them right, I had my choice of seven hundred rooms. I led them to a room where somebody jumped out. I didn't know it. And I'm opening the window and I'm wondering why Zach's yelling at me to shut the windows. I can never yells at me. I'm in a trance state. That place is
crazy. But the one thing and lots of crazy stuff happened with but with my tfil guys, I thought I was channeling. I thought it was trans medium, and I thought I was talking because it's like a dream mistake, and I thought I was talking. I rock, I do rock and rocking back so hard that somebody had to put their hands so I didn't give myself a concussion. And I thought I was talking. All they heard was gibberish.
All they heard was gibberish. And I've been working with these young guys and Corey goes, we should play that backwards, because I'm like, they played it backwards and I was speaking English backwards. Wow Wow that I mean, I can't even do my alphabet backwards because I've got one of those mind who can't. If you've got pulled over for drinking. I've been drinking and they say, do your alphabet backwards. I'm I'm arrested, x y z x y T. I can't do it. I was talking backwards. They
played it backwards and I would then I speak in English. That's crazy. That's a trans medium. That is crazy. Yeah, that is a true trans medium that I've not experienced anything like that before. So I think we're gonna have to talk after this show. That sounds really super interesting, though,
I don't think we've even scratched the surface with you now. I'm wondering if maybe in the future, when you're not so busy, you can come back again and talk some more with us, because I'm absolutely in awe and I could talk to you for weeks. I would love to come back. You guys are great, You're a fabulous show. You should have a billion followers. Actually I believe it, that's you Doo. But yeah, I would love to come back. And I'm sure we did not take any of
the paths you were going to take. No, not not even a little bit. I've got I've got twelve questions lined up right here, and I think we touched on two. That's it. Before we go, I really want to make sure we talk about your book, because old world magic for the modern world that sounds really cool. What talk is is this is because again I see energy, and I'm elemental, and I live in la and I don't have any time, so how I see things. We're out of
balance. We're all out of balance. That's COVID, all of it. We're out of balance. And so if I take all these theories of if you put your body into the elements, air and fire and water on earth, and who you are your earth is, who you are, your fire, your passion is what drives you. Where we get off balance is emotions and thoughts. Thoughts and emotions, ask west and east, and what do we need more than anything else? Air and water? Air and water.
So it is it is great to let's go meditate for an hour. I don't have an hour. I have thirty seconds to pull it together. I've got to walk on stage. I gotta walk. So I came up with these things. I was just channel by spirit going well, if you advind that mind, body, spirit a creation working dispatch. If you okay, it's my emotions, ask water, I'm going to run my hands underwater. For thirty seconds. Guess what, howeverthing goes away. That's my air element.
I'm overthinking. Oh wait, I'm not breathing and good No one breathes well anymore. Three deeps add some valves, chatter stops, fog, lives clarity. I need grounding. Hug a tree. If you can't hug a tree, touch anything wood, it still has the spirit of the tree. Grab a pencil. I came up with all these things. So this whole
book is hacks literal. How to keep your house clear, how to talk to the dead if you want to, how to find love, how to keep healthy, how to lose weight, how to from go sex to everything for anybody. You don't have to be a psychic or a medium or a witch. You don't have to be anything. It's little life hacks that make you know car dollar signs in your soap. Now you're taking a money bath every day. You know, stuff like that, A little bit of salt
in your toilet. All your lower chakras are open when you go to the bathroom. That's a great big old water cauldron. It's going away. It goes all the right direction, release angs, release inside. So that's what it is. And so I wrote it because I got tired of saying it. You are inspiring the psychic meta come out, because I'm getting a feeling that that book is going to be in my bookcase in your future. You can get on Amazon. You can get an ebook or audiobook or print.
The ebook and audiobook is six dollars The Princess twelve or thirteen. On my website, you can get an imprint, but it's easy and some stores, but that's it's easier Amazon or my website. Okay, well, we're going to put links, direct links to the Amazon Store into your website and all that kind of stuff on our show notes. So if you're interested in contacting Patty or following her on social media or getting her book or anything like that,
she does take clients. She books people for readings and seances and all kinds of things. If you want to reach out to her, and now you strongly recommend that you do, like we are going to, then please just go to Skeptic Metaphysician dot com and go to her episode page. You'll find the direct links in the show notes makes it super easy for you to connect Patty. I am so grateful we got a chance to talk today.
Thank you for sharing your expertise with our audience. Now really really look forward to I hope we get a chance to keep in contact because you are amazing. I am in awe. This has been fantastic. Absolutely, I would love to I would love to so thank you guys for having me on. Thank you. You guys are great hosts, really good fun. Thank you so much, and a huge thank you to you. We know that there are tons of options out there, and having you decide to come along on
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