Hey, Karen, remember back in the eighties when everyone was talking about how some of those rock and roll albums, if you played them backwards, they'd reveal hidden messages. Yes, and I totally tried that or did you? Yeah, I did it wrong. I don't know. It just sounded like I scratched the which I ended up doing so well, apparently that is actually a real thing. Oh and today we have the absolute expert in the field. He actually founded h I don't know whether they call it a foundation or
a company that actually dives into this stuff. And we're going to dive into just what these messages are, how they were discovered, what, if anything these reverse messages are trying to tell us. He's even going to share some sound bite examples with us that are absolutely going to below your mind. Wow. It's called reverse speech, and this phenomenon of hidden backward messages and speech is what this episode is all about. My name is Will and I'm gar
and unlike Boulder and Scully, both want to believe. So we've embarked on a journey of discovery. Welcome to Skeptic Medicians Classic. You are listening to Classic Skeptic metaphysicians. Welcome to our version of a walkdown Memory Lane as we present classics from the Skeptic Metaphysician Library. Warts and all. Hey everyone, welcome back to the Skeptic Metaphysicians. I'm Will and we are the hosts for the show today. I want to introduce David Oates, who describes reverse speech
as another form of human communication. He actually feels that language is by level, it's forward and reverse, and as our brains construct the sounds of speech, it actually forms those sounds in such a way that two messages are delivered at the same time, totally without us realized it. One message forwards, which is a conscious mind speaking, and the other in reverse, which is the unconscious mind speaking. David, I can't wait to dive into these soundbites.
Welcome to the show. Thank you very much for having me. That was a very good introduction. By the way we reverse speech actually is, I couldn't have said it better myself. Thank you. Kearn I finally nailed one. I think no. I actually rearranged some of this off you wrote and put it into my paraphrase. Well, David, we're super excited. I know. I tried to describe it the best I could, but give
us a rundown of exactly how you see reverse speech. Okay, well look, okay, you started off for talking about those backward messages in music back in the eighties. That's where most people heard about it. The fundamentous Christians are on the bandwagon, and I was saying that these are all satanic, and you Saitan speaking for the mind of mind of singers. And of course many of us, as you said, got their turntables back in those days,
and then wound it backwards, ruined our records, that's right. So I got involved in it at that level. And back in eighty three, I was running half a half for three kids, and I've been playing their records backwards, and said, well, what do you think about all of this? So anyway, I went home and I got out, I got out a record and ran it backwards, and yeah, I could hear what
was there. I was quite intrigued. And you know, the fundamentals claim that it was all satanic, but gee was I was finding a whole bunch of stuff that wasn't satanic. Let me let me play a message in music that is not satanic at all. So this is the Credent's clear water revival backwards it says I believe in my cool and I played it twice there, so, you know, so I started finding these type of messages and I
going, well, this isn't satanic, what are they talking about? And then in eighty seven I started a serious research project in it because I was quite really fascinated by it. And then I accidentally stumbled across the phenomenon normal human speech, and purely by a mistake, and that sort of put a whole different twist on it altogether. You know, it's sort of one thing to play records back and say, oh yeah, listen, that sounds cool.
That sounds cool, but it's something here in speech it's like, oh wow, jeez. This puts a whole different, whole different spin on it. And so I started diving into speech and I found these backward messages once every twenty or thirty seconds of speech, and I was I was stunned, and I was sure that had to be some work on it somewhere. So I went to my local This was for the days of the internet, of course. I went to my local library look through psychology and linguistic books,
and there was no mention of this phenomenon. Anywhere and sorry except for a couple of fundamentals claiming it was all the devil's work, and those, of course you can find them anywhere. So it just sort of dawned on me. I had a whole new sort of phenomenon on my hand that no one had ever discovered before. Let me play you an example in normal everyday speech. Okay, so this is just from a casual room conversation. It's a
run it forwards. This is just one of many, many lifetimes where we are here to develop the soul basically, and when that is achieved, the soul will ascend. I can play a small clip backwards and you're hearing say, yeah, I love each day, I love you to day, and once more, sah, let's play. It gives you goosebumps. Yeah it does. It's so clear. I thought it would be like it kind of kind of sounds like it, you know, And that was the thing about it. When I heard him on the other show, I was amazed,
like, these are absolutely clear message. And he's got samples of presidential speeches and all kinds of things that actually show very deliberate messages that the subconscious mind is giving to us now David, you mentioned you stumbled on these things. How does someone go about stumbling, because Karen tried and she ruined her records crash. Well, I actually how I stumbled across it was I actually got
a track of already a broadcast. I was looking for some songs from the twenties and thirties, you know, to see if I could find it back there. And I was playing this whole thing backwards. And you know, this is the very first one I found, a famous speech and I plied this track forwards. I recognize that because we all know those famous words, and the backwards a whole different message. Man will space walk. So that's the first one I found in speech, and so that's how I accidentally stumbled
across it, you know. And then I started running speech backwards and I wrote my theory. I came up with a name reverse speech in April of eighty seven, and I wrote my theory, which you so eloquently explained, that language is bi level forwards as well as backwards. This is not a spiritual or a Celtic phenomenon. It's not demons, it's not angels, it's not ets. I mean, I've heard all of them over the years.
You know, it just simply is a natural form of language, just just as we just as body language expresses our feelings and who we really are, well, reverse speech does that too. It enabled us to see who we are on the deepest level. Do you think we we are communicating with each other on that level too? So? Oh yeah, sure hearing it? Yeah, I found entire conversations play backwards. You know where you're here. You'll get to you know, I would like a cup of coffee or what?
What would you like to struggle with it? Yes? Please not quite now you did not let me play you. Oh see, conversations a little bit longer to play. But let me play you a reversal. That is obviously a question, whereas this obviously request here it is Okay, this is a reporter, another report. This is a man talking to a reporter who suspected of sending his wife a threatening letter. Okay, i'll play the swords. Well, she says, it was in your handwriting. Well, then
she should produce that letter, and let's let's have the letter. Yes, do you want to see it? Yes? Okay, so she says, do you want to see it? But just before she says, I want to see it? Do you want to see it? He says backwards, I want to see that letter? That clear? Now, what's this? I'll play the whole track for us, listen to this. Well, she says it was in your handwriting. Well, then she should produce that letter, and let's let's have a letter. This is where the reversal occurs,
and then she says, do you want to see it? So she responds to his reverse message, I want to see that. Oh, do you want to see it? And that happens all the time in conversation. You know, you might be just about to say something, or say, oh, would you like a couple of coffee places? Yeah, I was just thinking that, And many cases we are actually communicating in reverse. It's the
other hidden part of conversation that we don't see or here consciously. So subconsciously we're hearing these reverse messages each giving to each other, and we respond to those messages consciously without even realizing that we're doing that. Exactly correct. It gives a scientific explanation to what we think is intuition or that hidden knowing this is happening through the second form of human communication. Wow, wow, I see you guys, got it. Look, I think it's amazing discovery.
It's a revolutionary discovery. Once it's accepted, it's going to change society's approach to us so many different things. I mean, we're going to have to be honest for the first time ever, and that's going to be tough. I'll tell you. Do you have any examples of where someone's saying something and then you plant in reverse and they're lying like yeah, interesting, even to Karen, show me the good stuff, and even all right, all right,
look, okay, look, I'm not making any political statements. Okay, I'm just playing examples of reverse speech. Here's Hillary Clipton on the campaign trail. And you know what, it also matters when he makes fun of people with disabilities, calls women pigs, and she says, and I'll scam you, and I'll scam you and I'll scam you. Hice n't clear. I'm sure you'd agree. And let's listen. Just let's just not do Hillary. Let's do Trump as well, for the sake of fairness. Where's the
one I'm Trump I'm looking for. I don't know this one. Okay, here's Trump talking about Mexico is going to pay for the wall. What's the difference. I want to get the wall started. I don't want to wait a year and a half until I make my deal with Mexico and we probably will have to deal san But what Mexico has been so nice, but he says backwards, they will not deal with us. We were hearing that one. Okay, so it was nine when he said Mexico is going to pay
for the wall. He knows, well, no, they're not really going to do that. And of course, as we know, Mexico did not pay for the wall. So the reversals turned out to be quite true. So you heard it here. Trump knew that they were not going to pay for the wall. Fainly it's revealed. So do you think the person has to be like thinking this other thing or is it just like something like did he maybe subconsciously he knew they were going to pay for but he really consciously
thought that they might. Yeah. Look, some of the reversals you get people are aware of having those thoughts at the time of speaking. Yes, so it can reveal unconscious thoughts. I'm sorry, unconscious thoughts. But that's only like, is maybe twenty percent of all the reversals. Most of them are coming from the unconscious. We're not aware what we're saying or what we're feeling. And that's where the real scary thing about reverse speech can come out.
I mean you'll start to get personality behaviors come out in reverse that you consciously are not aware of, and then it gets quite threatening. I was working with a client the other day. This is how I make my living. I use reverse speech in therapy. I've got quite an active therapy in practice. And I was working with a client the other day and she had reversals. Said, I am a narcissist and I found out. I going, oh my god, I got a play of this. I played a
t and she went into immediate denial. But a couple of weeks later we had another session and she said, you know what, I've been thinking about that, and I can see those tendencies in me. Yeah. It can reveal parts of us that we don't want to know, that we don't want to see. So police could use this for interrogations. Oh sure, sure. I worked with a police on not many cases, a matter half a dozen. Let me play you an example that illustrates this. This is this
is the Scott Peterson if you can remember the case. Back in the early two thousand, Scott Peterson was accused of murdering his wife, who went missing, and he was subsequently found guilty. Here he is before the trial being interviewed by a reporter who says, did you murder your wife? Did you murder your wife? No? No, So he's denying it. No, no, I did not, running backwards and he says, neck, I hit hard, and when they found his wife's body, she was decapitated.
So as he's denying it, he's flashing back in his mind and remembering, yeah, I hit a hard on the back of the net. So yeah, So the use of place in terrogaction work very very exciting. Okay, So I worked with an Australian place actually liked where the murder weapon was, and the reverse was it's in the cellar, and the place got a search war and right of the house and found it hidden in the cellar. Wow.
Okay, so you look a little bit stunned. But here's here's where where my skeptical mind comes in, right, because yes, they all sound fairly distinct. I mean I heard everything that you said, that they said backwards, I heard it. I certainly did. But could this not just be straight coincidence that the gibberish kind of arranges itself into a rate of speech that could perhaps have could we could read something into it? I mean,
there's a knife was in the cellar. Well, but there's hundreds of thousands of hours of speeches. You're bound to run into a couple that that will inevitably say something backwards. Now, yeah, look, that's a very common criticism, ironically when I first went public, the skeptic where well, these things don't exist. We're just imagining it. Now at least saying that they exist. We can hear it. So that's good. But let's look at
coincidence. I mean, what are the odds of running and tape backwards and twenty or thirty seconds finding a grammatly correct sentence that directly relates to the forward dialogue? I mean, that's the odds of that occurring at such a regular interview is stunning. Here, let me play you. Let me play you an example that is so stunning. There's no way this can be coincidence. Let me play this this. This is Donald Trump talking to Hillary Clinton about
Hillary clinton theme emails. Okay, so we'll run it forwards. When he gave up that email thing. He said, here, Hillary, and you know what that was orchestrated by the Democratic Party. Okay, so two words significant. He says Hillary and email. We run up backwards and he says, Hillary, let's see this email. So one of the odds of hearing Hillary and email both forwards and backwards in a grammatically correct sentence that's directly related
to the Fords. You tell me, I'm sure it's astronomical. And I will say that the fact that, like for example, the state of Oregon is starting to use it in criminal investigations, but they don't take it as sight unseen. They correlate DNA evidence with these reverse messages and things of that. So there is something, for sure, something there. It just blows your mind when you think about the fact that these are people who are just
speaking and somehow subconsciously these messages are coming out. So maybe all those religious people back in the eighties were right. Maybe kiss was the knights in service of Satan. I have no comment on that. I stick clear messages. Some things you don't want to hear. There is so much more to dive into with the reverse speech, including examples of premonitions discovered in backwards speeches, as well as what it sounds like when a baby's speech is reversed. You
don't want to miss those. I promise they will send shivers down your spine. We need to take a quick break, but we'll be right back with more amazing conversation on the skeptic metaphysicians. And now back to the skeptic metaphysicians. How can you find these messages? I mean we heard early on that Karen ruined her record collection trying to find these things going backwards. Do you just spend your days with records and playing them backwards? Or do you have
a machine? How does it work? Well? We have software now that finds that we have video software too, which is fantastic to actually see the video clips run backwards and the lips movements mouth out the reversals. It's absolutely stunning to see. Anyway, now I forgot the question, just how do you how do you? Right? Okay, Back in the early days, I did modify Cassett players. You know, I would open the set players up, modify it and to play forwards and backwards with a little variable speak
control. It was very very amaterition modification. But we're for twenty years now we've had software. It's available from our website where you just go in and download the software. It'll play the track forwards and backwards and at very very variable speeds. We also have video software that runs video backwards, and that adds a whole new dimension to the phenomenon. When you see when you actually see the lip movement's mouth out, the reversal, and the body language seeing
what's happening at the same time, it's stunning. It takes your breath away, I can only imagine. So you're seeing that these software pieces of software are on your site, people can download it and actually try it for themselves. Correct, Yes, go to my site at reverse speech dot com. Also, while I'm advertising my site, I may management decision last week to give all of my ten reverse Speech books away for free in PDA format. So if you go to my site and go to the product sections of the
page, you can get all ten of my books. That's fantastic. Yeah, we're going to put a link a direct link in our show notes for you, so if you're interested in his books or the software, you can go directly to our website. Skepticmantaposition dot com and go to his episode page and you'll see the link directly lead in there. But we're not going to let you off quite so easily. I understand that this reverse speech isn't just
in the English language too, write this is another language as well. So far, we've looked at three different languages, German, French, and Spanish. We're found in each one of those languages. If someone is bilingual, you can get reversals in both languages. Sometimes a sentence will start out in one day, we'll just switch halfway through into another one. So the assumption is if it's a natural form of language, then we should find it in
all languages. But we've only looked at three so far. Yeah, I know what to tell you. It's such an amazing, incredible, fantastic phenomenon. You know, I've been doing it for forty years and I love it
as much today as when I first started. Now, if I were to verbeat and repeat what someone is saying, like the teaps that you just plead of Hillary Clinton, for example, or Trump, if I were to see the exact same thing that she said or he said, when you reversed my speech, would I see the scene several ways to answer that question, We've obviously tried that many times. If you can reproduce his voice, tone and intonation exactly the same way he said it, you will get something similar backwards.
But if two people were to say exactly the same sentence, as as like in both of you two said the same sentence and you said it differently, as we all do in conversation, then no, you might get it on one but not the other. So it's really to do with the very unique, intricate sounds of speech that create the reversals. And like I said, two people can say the same sentence and you get completely different reversals. But if you can duplicate it exactly the same way it was, so you
can get something close. Yeah, and you said you use this in therapy. So would this be a good or maybe bad tool for couples therapy? Oh? Boy, for a couple of therapies. Yeah, he said this one. What did he really mean? That is not chidding, but is he really now? Yeah, I took this in the therapeutic area because I was. I was a therapist before of her speech, so you know, I used to work with kids or the youth counselor back in my early days, and so it was sort of very natural for me just to take it
into taken into that area. So excuse my cat here, But yeah, I've got a very busy practice. You know, I'm currently working with about twenty five clients right right now, and I work with all sorts of issues from oh gee, where working with a young man now with autism and getting some fantastic results with him. See, reversals will tell us exactly what's caused it and in many cases tell us how to fix it. He and then we just put my cat down for see, And I'll play you a quick
example in therapy that shows you how powerful this is. In the therapeutic situation, The one I'm looking for is, well, where is it? Where is it? Here? It is? This is the one one with money problems and she's talking to me about her money issues. She and I need to work this issue out. But it started to bring up all my money fears and stuff. And the thing is is, if I know I started sourcing fear again, I'm gonna go back what she says, work on my
grief. So the reversal's telling us exactly what we need to do to work with her money problems, work on her grief. Now, usually regular therapy, it might have taken several sessions to get to the fact that she had grief issues that was causing her money problems. But reverse fits can tell me in just one simple recording, So there's no way to hide this reverse speech then, right, Like, it's scary, the scary thing that we're broadcasting
our innermost thoughts to people without realizing it as we're talking. So it makes me not want to say anything. Karen take over the show. I'm thinking about Alexa in the living room, listening to the conversations. Who knows what she's doing. Well, until we get a lot more analysts out there than just me and the few handful of train you're all pretty safe. It's the one that it's the one. What's we're looking for down down for down?
This thank you? Is the immense time it takes to analyze recordings. I mean, for half an hour political speech, I'll be spending three or four hours analyzing the whole tape. So it's a very time intensive process. You've got to be really patient and dedicated, and you know, I think we could probably get speech record training speech recognition to find it for us. We approached Microsoft at one stage to see if they were interested in going into the
project with us, but they weren't. So currently it's just a lack of funds. That's because Bill Gates doesn't want his secrets out out there every where. You right, Well, I'm absolutely floored. Could this be? I know a lot of people that listen to the show are probably going to think, well, that's that's your higher self sending messages. It is, Yeah, it is, it is. Yeah, it digitaligh self. Well it's a look okay, look I say it's the voice of the unconscious, but
really it's the voice of the spirit talking to us. Let me let me play one. Have I got time for one more reversal? Yeah? Absolutely, we love these? Please me? All right? This is this is obviously spirit talking. I've got a very persistent chat. He doesn't want to go off my table. All right, So here's analyst talking to his tape player. He's right about my money problems. Does it further for us to put more energy and money and effort backwards? He says, you're frightened?
Lean on me, right, lean on me? Wowow, I think that's backwards. That might sir it okay, yeah, that might be one of the clearest ones you please so far. Yeah, well, it's the spirit talking to him saying, look, I know you're frightened, I know you're upset. Just lean on me. And there is so many messages from spirit in reverse speech. When I work with clients, you know, I'll find a half a dozen direct messages from spirit to the conscious mind saying do this,
do that. I mean, look, we all know that still small voices within. We hear it ourselves sometimes, you know, we can feel it. And what I'm saying is nothing new. I'm not saying anything we don't already know. We know that voice is there. But what I am saying is now we can hear it consciously. We can actually tap into that inner spiritual self. And wow, it's just incredible. That's a really good point because my next question was going to be, well, how would you
if this mechanism is there, what's the use of it? If we you and I just sitting here talking, we're not consciously aware of the messages that we're giving and receiving in reverse speech, So what's the point of it? But I guess in some subconscious way we do get those messages. Oh well, yeah, that's sort of a philosophical question more than anything else. Look, I think as human beings, we are designed. As human beings,
our true innate nature is to be honest with ourselves. To be honest, we have learned to be dishonest, and so the body has many mechanisms to correct that. Body language, reverse speech, the other gee. Whereas you can use in so many areas of therapy, why is a person really got this problems and issues? Police work? I have business clients I've talked to me before they're about to embark on a major business project to see what they're
in A self says about it a lot. The list is endless. I can get into advertise and why do some adverts not work because the reversals are contrary to the advert advertisements and its inter ded job. Karen and I do work in television. So from now on, any of our average that we put out there, we're going to play backwards to make sure that we're not
seeing the wrong messages out there. Secondly, I propose that anyone running for office has to go through this process before we can actually qualify to be elected. Anywhere, because I bui things they played were incredible. And that's just a handful I've got. I've got forty years at work in my computer.
I've got millions of reversals. I mean, I've looked at everything from JFK to the Moonwalk to nine one one to oh RFK, Martin Luther King, all the all the big conspiracy theories over the years, all of my computer and all the answers. Then is there one? Is there one? It's really shocked. You were surprised. You that's just really stuck in your mind. Yeah, there is. Actually this was this, this was I'm about to play you now put me a whole new, whole new area of research.
Quite shocking. Actually, oh no, not shocking. I'm stunning. This is a j f K is inaugural address in nineteen sixty one. Listen to this, the small one. I'm dooing all those human rights which this nation has always been committed and of which we are committed today at home and around the world. Okay, and backwards, he says, head is hitting the car. Yeah, yeah, and again. Oh what I know, freaky. I just got shivers down my spine. He was foreshadowing his own
death. He had a premonition of his own death. Yeah, wow, and I'm going to feel Yeah, but that reversal sent me off in a whole new field. I go. When I found that, I oh my god, I can't believe that. It was shocking. We're not shocked. Down's stunning stunning. I think it's both stunning and shocking, and I am shocked. I mean that is wow. Holy smokes. When you're analyzing these, do you have to slow them down? Yeah? Well you're listening to
them in reverse, and that's why it takes a while. Yeah, reversals run faster than normal human speech, and they're about twenty percent faster. That's because the syllable count nearly always increases. If you've got three syllable fours, you'll have five or six backwards. There's reasons for that, which I don't have time to get into. So so it gives the So the reverse will actually run faster. I'd listen at about eighty five percent of normal speed.
New students will listen at seventy to seventy five percent of normal speed. So yeah, yeah, so I always slow it down. So where do you go from here? You've discovered these this reverse speech, and you're starting to implement it with law enforcement agencies and things like that. But where do you hope it goes from here? Oh? Dear me, boy. Look, I think it's such significant and of such importance that its existence impacts everything.
It's revolutionary. It's a whole new paradigm shift once it's accepted. Look, you know, my prime emphasis at the last forty years has to been to get it accepted. It's been a tough road. I had trouble with Well, see, I'm not an academic. You know, I only got through high school and that's about it. So I don't have the PhD after my name. So that's unfortunately shut me off from a lot of academics, which
is a shame. Monus University in Australia did a test, did test on it twenty years ago and they found that versals did exist, but they did no further testing, which I was very disappointed about. I've lectured to the FBI and the CIA. If actually, if you google reverse speech CIA, you'll see my work up on the sea A website. So I've taken to the government. I've taken the business where is it almost needs to have a ground swell movement, I think to get it accepted. I don't think the
authorities wanted because it's the red herring. I mean, it's a huge red hearring to be great for like interviewing teachers or people that work with children, interview just to make sure that they're not sketchy, all right, But there's no guarantees right that that the reverse speech message will come out when you do things like that, So I wonder that's the reason you can't really rely on getting the messages. So maybe it's not as Yeah, look, they're not
always there. It really depends on the type of conversation. In a very lax, casual conversation, you get a whole lot of them. But if someone's very left brain and structured in there thinking, they'll drop off quite substantially. Yeah, And there is no guarantee you'll find them right at the point you want it right right right, And we're no really conspiracy theory show. But one might say that maybe the powers that be don't want it out there
because they're afraid of what it might reveal about what they are thinking. Well, I have my own personal beliefs on that, which should fall along the lines of what you're saying. But if I start talking about them, I'll sound like another internet not so they will leave it quiet, totally understand and respect your wishes. We also towe that line very carefully ourselves. Well, I mean, what you're doing is absolutely fascinating and astounding. You're giving away
your books, alternate your books on your site. We're going to add those links to the show notes. As we mentioned before, we'll add all the links to people to get hold of you. But if someone wanted to get involved with the reverse speech, are you currently taking on people? I am yeah. I have classes every year. My next class intakers in July, so that's like six weeks away. There's a whole age on my site all about the training programs. So yes, I am active actively right at this
current time looking for new students to take my July class. So yes, and then once they tigue your class, still be able to discover these and on their own and use the software to find Yes. Yes, yes, that's the whole gourpense class, to teach people how to find it, to recognize what is imagination, to find what is genuine. It's it's a bit of a difficult skill to teach. But but I get on there, so I would imagine that would be hard. Am I really hearing this? Or
is that? Am I just right? It's deciphering that. And yet I will see that some of the clips that he's played are absolutely distinct. There's no mistique in it. I don't think that's what I'm say. That's what I tell the skeptics. These are clear. I'm not having You're not having to sort of really try and say, yeah, I can sort of hear that. You know, You're just like, these are writ in your face. They all are. They're all right in your face. They're all stunningly
clear. Yeah, well, I think we have we're running out of time, but I'm curious, do you have one more that you absolutely you've got to share with us before the show ends? All right, let me play you one of my favorite reversals of old time. This is this is my own daughter and she's in a bathtub and she's trying to pick up a cup. She can't pick it up, so she reaches out to me for help. This is force she can speak forwards. She says, David, which is my name, David, help me? You know that one? Oh
my god, that. Wow, that's sounded like it was it. Well, it's in a bathroom and it's echoing, so it gives that sort of eerie yes, oh my god. Wow. So this is a girl that didn't know how to speak yet, and yet reverse messages was very distinct where she said, David help, Well, part of my theory is that children to speak backwards before the two forwards. I've got kids speaking in reverse single words at four months of age. Then they get into sentences around about twelve
months of age. But that's a whole other show. David, this has been absolutely wonderful. Thank you so much for coming on and sharing of your expertise with our audience. I'm going to download your software and I'm gonna Karen, I know, get ready, your speech is here. I'm going to go back. I'm gonna go back to all of our shows and I'm going to play every single one of them. I'm gonna secrets. I don't want you to hear what I say, but I'm going to hear what you say
all the time. Well, David, thanks so much for coming on me. I appreciate and best of luck for you to you in the future. All right, but I can say, and a huge thank you to you. We hope you've enjoyed this conversation as much as we have. I'd love for you to contribute by sending us a voicemail or an email from our website, or leave us a review on Apple Podcasts or any other podcasting platform supports that. Karen and I love hearing from those that are moved to message us.
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