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on this episode of the Skeptic Metaphysicians. My name is Will and I'm Karen, and unlike moulderin Scully, want to believe. So we've embarked in a journey of discovery. We've talked to people deeply entrenched in the spiritual and metaphysical world. We've thrown ourselves into weird and wonderful experiences. I even joined a coven of witches and wait, you joined a coven? Yep, all in the interest of finding something, anything, that will prove that there's something beyond
this physical, three dimensional world we all live in. This is the Skeptic Metaphysicians. Welcome to another eye opening episode of the Skeptic Metaphysicians. I'm Will and I'm Sarious, and today we've got the pleasure of being accompanied by a spiritual mentor, an author who's dedicated to guiding individuals to deep metaphysical journeys.
I'm talking deeps. Yes, he way deeper than that. He deals in advanced techniques and mentorship programs for folks that are looking for genuine spiritual growth and the focusing on integrating metaphysical concepts into their daily life. Wow. Yeah, that's a mouthful. I know, I don't even know what that means.
Well, listen up, because his courses like Keys Success and Dream Interpretation Masterclass provide essential tools for spiritual progression and emphasizes a balanced approach combining ancient wisdom with modern insights for holistic spirituality. I don't want to talk anymore. Welcome to the show, Taraku day. How are you doing today? Thank you, thank you. I'm doing wonderful. I'm doing wonderful. It's a beautiful day. He is a beautiful day. Every day, every day that we're here
is a beautiful day. This sile of the frost line is a good place
to be, no questions. All right, well then let's let's just get right down into it, because is we tease a lot in the show intro and no pressure, but we're looking for a lot of answers here, right, Okay, So you are you have an extensive repertoire of tools that you use as a spiritual mentor Absolutely the biggest question though, because people who are listening to the show have heard a lot of spiritual mentors talk about what the best path forward is not kind of stuff, but some of us are still
no matter how many times we listen to someone, there's the common hurdles that we face on this path to enlightenment. So how what would you say are the most common hurdles and how can you personally guide people through those. Yeah, I mean, I would say the most common hurdle is probably one, I mean willpower, someone having the willpower to actually do the work, because it's very easy to listen to podcasts and watch videos and read books and things.
But to then take time out and carve out time, a lot of time to really put things into practice and to stick with it for extended periods of time enough to really see results, it's probably the biggest. And then with that, definitely concentration. Concentration, I feel is one of the biggest tools that is so lacking in people's spiritual practice, and it's so simple to build. It might easy. When I first got into meditation, it was
all about concentration, and I was a master at it once. I mean I was like after a while, I was like I was I could concentrate like people could be watching TV and I'm reading a book and I'm like zoned in, like nothing, nothing distracting me. But since I had a weird work thing happened about a year or so ago and it threw me completely. And since my meditations have been spotty at best, in my concentration is crap. So that's something that you can lose. I didn't realize that you can
lose that skill of concentrating. Yeah. Well, it's a mental muscle. So just like your physical muscles, you can something can happen where you tear a muscle and you need time for lot of heal and rebuild, or you don't use it and the muscle gets weak. You just have to slowly practice and build it up. Gotcha. So let's say I tore my brain, not that I don't use my brain. Mine just has a little sprain. How do you do mental exercise? I mean when you say that, I'm
like, oh, you just do a bunch of math problems. I can do that, But this is a different type of mental exercise. What does that mean? Yeah? Well, I mean just about any kind of spiritual practice is going to help build your willpower and concentration regularly. I'm sure anybody who's practiced meditation might have had a tough time at first, but anybody who's done it for a while, at least like three months or more would probably
notice that their concentration is actually getting better. Is your willpower is actually getting better in things? But when you have a specific exercise just for the will power or just for concentration. Then that's how you really exercise that muscle.
And for example, what I teach is that Tataka concentration exercise where you just place your attention on a candle flame and hold your attention there, and as soon as you realize you're distracted, you acknowledge that with a little tick mark on a piece of paper, bring your attention back and hold it there. And you just repeat that over and over for ten minutes every single day, and do it for ten minutes once a day every day for the rest of
your life. It's start in ninety days. Yeah, there's a lot of candles, but then you got to carry a candle around you all the time whenever you want to concentrate. So how do you goeah, I mean you can. You don't necessarily need a candle. You can use your tip, your finger, you can use a blade of grass, you can use a drop of water. In the Keys of Success course, I teach this and
I do throw a candle out there. But I also you can because one thing you can do is because like a fingertip and a blade of grass and a drop of water are still difficult because the nature of the mind is motion, and so that's very still, so it's gonna be like going to the gym and hey, bench press this two twenty right here. Well, start me out with something light. Yeah, So that's why like a candle flame
is nice because there's a little motion to it. You know. So if you if you're out traveling or something, just spend ten minutes in a park looking at a cloud or or one leaf blowing in the wind a little bit,
there's a little bit of motion to that. Or if you can just go to the fauset and drip a little bit of water, Just get a little tiny water drip, maybe one every two or three seconds, so you have time to watch the drop form and watch the water drop actually drop, and so there's a little bit of motion to it, but there's also some stillness to it. So you can do all types of things like that,
or the second hand on a clock. I mean most people use digital clocks now, but yeah, or like say you use app right right up, A candle flame and that water drop thing is cool, except you know how expensive water bills are these days. I don't know. Maybe all right, So that's a cool way is to strengthen your concentration. But you said something that struck my attention. You said that you had exercises that would increase your willpower. Is that yeah? Yeah, absolutely, Now that is what I
need. I need the concentration too, but I need the willpower more so I can be concentrated. Yeah, yeah, concentrated. Yes, it makes perfect sense. I mean they go hand in hand. So like, for what I would start out with is first just understanding what willpower is making a conscious choice on something and then following through with it with continuous, relentless action
until your ideal is achieved, until the goal is reached. And so like things look at first, look at like things that break down your will? What ways are you making choices in your life and going against that choice? And it can be something simple hit the snooze button. That's a big one that a lot of people do that breaks down your will. I made a choice to get up at six am, but I hit this news three times and got up at six thirty. So so let me just instead make a
con That's a small shift you can do. Okay, let me make a conscious choice and really actually get up out of bed at six or set my alarm for six thirty and then get up at six thirty. You can do small things like just say out loud what you're gonna do before you go to do it. I will go brush my teeth. Let's just go brush. I will do these dishes. I will clock in the doughnut. Yeah,
I will eat the doughnut. That works. But if but how if you've already previously said I will eat better, then that's then going against that major choice in your mind. So that's some small things. But here's one exercise that I would an actual exercise like the candle flame, which is also a huge exercise for getting in control of your ego and mastering your ego and making it your slave versus you being a slave to it. And I love this
exercise. I got this from Stuart Wilde. He has a book which I listened to it on audio tape on YouTube at least once a year called The Little Money Bible, and it's he would do it with rocks in his backyard. But I just tell people, get a dollar's worth of pennies or nickels
or whatever, and put get two bowls. You can put them on one side of your house and one one bowl on the other side, and put all the pennies into one bowl, and every single morning before you get your day started, or every night, last thing you do before you go to bed, just walk back and forth and take one penny out of one bowl and walk all the way to the side and put it in the empty bowl.
And then just keep going back and forth picking up a penny and placing it down, picking up a penny and placing it down, and you will you will come across a lot of battles with your ego along the way, and that of what am I doing? Why am I doing this? What? You look silly like? There's nobody in here. You still look silly? So are you doing all the pennies one day? Or one penny a day? Yeah? No, all the pennies, all the pennies in one day's do that is ouse? How the weird stairs? Our house has so
many weird stairs. So you don't have to do one hundred. Maybe start out with fifty. Start out with something small. If it seems extreme or seems too much for you, take it, take it easy on yourself. A lot of people when they jump into things, they're like they take it real hard on themselves. With people with meditation all the time, I can't do it. I can't meditate. Well, how long are you meditating? I'm trying to meditate for twenty minutes a day? Okay, Well start with
five maybe you'll get a little more success. Start start with twenty pennies if that's easier for you. So, how does this help you increase your willpower? What is the end result? You said, it's like a humbling thing. But what how does what are the mechanics? How does that work?
Yeah, well, it just helps to create. It helps Your mind is meant to be programmed, So it's starting to program your mind to listen to your direction, whatever whatever, regardless of any like cues from your body that you're getting, regardless of any cues from your ego that you're getting, regardless of any other cue use from any other programs that have been installed within your
mind that you're getting. It's it'll come up, especially if you do this every day for you know, ninety days, the stuff will come up. After you do it for thirty days, then you'll start to battle like, oh, I don't need to do it anymore. I've seen results. I'm getting better with my willpower. And then you stop doing it, and then it slowly fades off, or unless unless you find some other kind of exercise
to help build it up. But when it wouldn't be that the time to tell yourself, when you're about to say, Okay, I can stop now because I got success, is not the time to actually continue to push yourself through. Yeah, exactly it, I'm getting it. I'm getting it, or at the very least transition it to a different exercise. So then maybe now you are ready to carry it forward to Okay, now it's the gym instead of these pennies. Let me do the gym every morning and replace these
pennies with the gym. Or now I can start with this eating habits and things and make some shifts in my life with it. And I think I'm going to try that, but I don't think I'm gonna do the gym thing. Something else to do the pennies. I'll go with you. I need to go to the gym. Well we all do, all right? All right, Well that's that's super helpful. Thank you. That goes a long
way. So let's shift gears in and talk about that dreaded e word that everybody is so you hear it from both sides, right, this they say the ego is something you're supposed to kill, and other folks are saying, the ego is definitely absolutely not something you're supposed to kill it. It's actually something you're supposed to come to terms with, understand and embrace and move forward
with. What's your take on that? Yeah, I would pose a question anyone who says that the ego is there to kill, or that they have said that they have killed their ego, I would ask them a question about their relationship with their ego six months from then and see, because as long as you have a conscious mind, the ego is going to be there. There is, there is no destroying it when you do people do now, people do have very real experiences of you know, killing their ego. But
death in the universal languge of the mind is all about transformation. So it's not that the ego ceases to exist, but that form and that shape and that relationship that they had with their ego is completely transformed. And then that's why I said wait six months, because a new relationship is building and it'll come it'll come out. So, oh, I realize I'm the person who's out here saying there is no ego there is no ego. I've killed it
and then now that's my ego. That's because ego is just your identity. It's how you identify. I was going to back it up and ask what is what is an ego for you? Like, what how can you recognize it? Yeah, well, it's just how you identify. The ego is it's it's your motivating factor, it's your motivating force. It's what motivates us to do things. How I want to be seen by others, how I want to be seen in this world, the type of person that I want
to be seen as, the way I want to be identified. All of those things motivate us in our actions and choices and what we what we want to do, who we want to talk to, who we want to have a relationship, where we want to be, where we want to live.
It shapes and motivates all of those choices and decisions, and so when you understand that relationship, then it's a lot easier to identify moments when your ego's more in control, because that's really that's really the main thing is Like people, it's not that they have to kill their ego, they just have to learn how to master their ego. Instead of the ego being a master of them and being in control of their decisions, you won't be able to ever
do this. Oh I'll show you. Yeah, I hear that very clearly every day. Well, it's so interesting because we think of the we think of the ego as like a negative thing. But you know, if you believe in the whole soul contract, then you chose your life that you're living right now, which involves that ego. So you chose that ego to go through this experience to learn some things. So essentially, your ego is your teacher. Hold up, hold up, hold up? Since when do you
believe in soul contracts? I didn't say that. I said if you said if I believe, I don't tell you everything. Okay. I thought that was a pretty good question. It was a great question that just surprised it came from you. I don't even know how to just because you don't believe, you've said many times, and so you don't know about soul contracts. You have a hard time about soul contracts. Okay, Well, let's ask
the expert. What do you think contract? Well, this is a good this is a good question because you guys use two words a lot, and I always like to bring this up. You talked about what you believe, and you talk about what you know. And she said, I don't know. If I didn't say I believed it, I don't know. And so that's a very big distinction that a lot of us need to really pay attention
to. Well, not I mean you guys, anybody can do what they want, but I need to really pay attention to is making a clear distinction in my mind on what I actually believe, what is a belief, and what do I actually know? So I always say all the time, don't believe a word you hear me say on about this whole podcast, not a single one. But instead find ways to incorporate different concepts into your own life, to create experiences for yourself so that you can know what's true and what's
not, because experience is that difference maker between belief and knowledge. And as far as soul contracts, yeah, I have one hundred percent belief in soul contracts, but not necessarily like a contract with AT and T for my cell phone bill and I'm signing at the dotted line six different places, but just agreements. Yeah, Like I married my wife me and her made a commitment in this lifetime. There's other commitments that I have made with different people within
my soul group before this lifetime. Okay, I will am probably one with her. Hey, I'll find you, you find me. We have a lot of learning to do together, and let's help each other out with it. It's just agreements. So that's that's maybe a better way for people to receive and understand a more accurate picture of the of the relationship or of the of that versus like soul contracts. Feeling like you're bound to something no matter
what. Right. But but yeah, the ego is it is new every single lifetime, and so it is formed from how your conscious mind was shaped, the environment that you grew up in the family, the school, the other television programs and music you listen to and things, and so your ego is shaped by that. But yeah, it's it's not bad at all. Like in the Holy Bible, the ego is represented by the snake in the beginning, it evolves into Satan or the devil, and then it also evolves
into the dragon. And so one of the key points that I like to point out with the ego in the Bible is like with Jesus. He before he got crucified, he was like meditating for forty days, and the devil came and tented him and was like, hey, look at all this stuff that's yours. We can rule it together. And Jesus could have saved us all some trouble if all of that's true, and just killed the devil, got rid of all the evil. And he didn't even have to get on
the cross. We're done, We're all good. No, but he did. He didn't tell him to leave, you know, he didn't even say get out of here. Man, I'm doing something. I'm busy, I'm trying. I got something going on. Don't you know what's about to happen. I gotta get my stuff together. I gotta get prepared for this. All he said was get behind me, Satan. And that's because Satan represents the ego, and it needs to be in the back, pushing us forward
and motivating with us out front, in the lead. And so we have to learn how to be in control of the ego and motivate ourselves whenever we have an ego reaction instead of just reacting to it. Take having a still mind to be able to properly respond in a proper way and make more of a conscious choice on how we're going to move about through whatever came up with that ego reaction. So when somebody says, oh, you can't do this, I can then stop and make a choice and decide whether it is something
or not, like when I was. It makes me think of when I was younger. I was a knucklehead. I'm a tourist bull. So before I started meditating everything, I was very confrontational and things. So so I'd be like, oh, you're a bee. I don't know what we can say on here. But I would ego be like, man to rock, you're a bitch, and I'd be like, oh, you're going to prove
that to me right now. I didn't. I didn't consciously choose to get into an altercation with this person, but my ego reared its head and said you're gonna do this. You need to respond to this, Whereas now I would probably just laugh at it. I know who I am. I don't care what you think. Right right, Well, that's all well and good, but now we need to turn to the expert, and now we know we got to get the ego behind us. How how do you do that?
Because man, just you, we think we got it beaten, this behind us, and also you turn around and go, what how'd you get here? Right? The ego is always in front of us for some reason. We got to figure out how does how do you maintain that focus to keep it in check. It's a constant relationship. It's a constant relationship that you have to because it's always evolving. The more that you evolve with it, the more it will evolve. The more work that you do. I'll
I practiced a lot of concentration and will power and meditation. I'm lucid dreaming now and working through things and changing things within myself through my dreams. And now I'm I'm trakou Day, this metaphysical master, and I'm on this podcast. And so now I've killed off my ego and now I have no ego to deal with. It's just me. I'm so supreme and superior. But now there's the new relationship with the ego. That's my new identity. So
now I have a new So it's just constant work. And the main thing that I would suggest is just awareness and observation, which will come through more concentration having more awareness of your thoughts, understanding the mechanics of your thoughts, the mechanics of your mind, how a thought comes into your mind, the difference between a conscious thought, a subconscious thought, an intuitive thought, and
the difference between an a thought from the ego. And so the more attention that you can place on these things, then the easier it is to identify when it is an ego thought, when it is an ego reaction popping up in your mind, so that you can then take it. Okay, hold on, whatever I end up doing, let me at least take a minute. This guy's confronting me, if I sock him in the face, let me at least make a choice about it first, before it is four buddies
walk around the corner, right yeah, yeah, yeah. So and with practice building, that's that's where the purpose of building these different skills comes in because then it allows you it to be easier when these different ego reactions come up, when these different difficulties in life come up and you have to then
respond to things, then your ability to respond your responsibility. And so that's that's what I would say, is how you do it, because it's going to be different as the relationship evolves, and so if early on you're going to have it may be stronger as the ego start. Because the dragon and all dragon movies, that's talking about the ego and the relationship with the ego.
But the dragon never is always there to help some feeble little kid, but it never destroys them, but it's always there to help, willing to help them for some reason. And so as the relationship gets stronger, then it's easier to tell the ego what to do, it's easier to motivate.
You understand how the ego works, and so it's easier to set up your life to where one thing that I always do is I have multiple goals to where as soon as I do reach a goal, I already have five more that I've been working at and working on to where once it's all it's there, it's a celebration. Okay, great, but I still have a lot of things going on and so and so that's one thing where you can understand how the ego works and understand how to navigate and avoid certain certain ego reactions
at different times. That's awesome. I would imagine that sometimes you might need an ego reaction like when you're in the hall with those guys and there's four around the corner and you're like, oh, I should be kind of damn like I could take them. That's what I mean. I mean, if you have, if you're in the dead end, you got to do something. Yeah, well you know what, I'm sure Lebron James or Michael Jordan or Tom Brady would have never achieved what they did if they didn't have those
egos would be known as the greatest. That's how I want to identify Tom Brady wouln't have played until he was forty four. I still think he's coming back too. But he like Jimmy Crickett, Yeah, yeah, a little cage Jimmy Cricket becomes like some giant thing on your shoulder after a while, that ego, I mean, it's actual Jimmy Crickett. Really I missed that part of the story I was taking back to I was like, when did
he go? What happened? That? It's a metaphor. People come on metaphor, but you know, I actually I think I figured out a way to keep your ego in check. Every time I get myself up and again, and all of a sudden get all my ego. I know I've got the sure fire away to keep it in check. I got married. I
got married that, but I'm go need to go defend myself. So we're gonna take a quick break, and when we come back, we just literally just scratching the surface, not even scratching the surface with the wisdom that you've got to share with us. When we come back, we're going to talk much deeper. We're gonna talk karma, We're gonna talk about spiritual enlightenment.
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ancient metaphysical techniques but applied in a new modern way. So it's been in a really exciting conversation because you give us like actual practical tips on how to strengthen these these things, these practices that we all need. I love that too, because now these people can now these people now are lovely listeners, can hear these people help, These people are amazing listeners, can actually take
these these tips, these exercises and apply them to their own life. Instead of thinking, well that would be nice, but I can't do that. Now they can't. I was thinking more about my I can put it. I'm just thinking about you too. I love our audience, but yeah, I mean I'm selfish these I we talk to these people for us, and it's cool that you're coming along for the ride. But this is this is a pure selfish reason we were doing these things. But we can here,
we need help. We too. We just talked about the ego. Did we front and center? Maybe? Okay? All right now. One question that we tackled before the before we went to break and it's something that I've been really struggling with for three years now, maybe more, and that is maintaining that spiritual track, the spiritual path while you're stuck in this three D world. Right we are in the in the throes of creating a new platform, a new venture for us, and it has taken so much of us
into this thing to get it going. That is difficult to keep your thoughts, keep that that eye on the ball right. And I thought it would be just like riding the bike, like the same thing I could. I had gotten into meditation, and I remember at the airport just dropping in and there's chaos and everything that I had my moment. But now I'm like, I'm sitting in total stillness and I'm struggling. Yeah, it's not like riding a bike. Yeah, we're having a hard time sleeping because we're dreaming about
the stuff we're doing. We can't admits our brains are not stopping. How someone balance spiritual attainment and materialistic pursuits in your estimation, well by incorporating it into their life. That's the number one thing that I would suggest. So try this into what you just said. Describe to me what your meditation practice looks like. Just run through that. I stare into a candle flame and I was like, oh, okay, but I am going to try that
though. That's really cool. That's a really good idea. So I'm a Gemini, right, So I can't do one single meditation ever because I get super bored. Right, So one day it'll be a silent meditation, another day will be meditation music. Another day will be binar ro beats, another
day will be a guided meditation. They're all different. I've tried mantras, and mantras do nothing for me like I And not only do they do nothing for me, but they stop me from dropping in because I'm constantly I gotta focus, I gotta focus, I gotta focus on that that doesn't doesn't allow me to in, which is weird because everyone loves like change and double meditation.
Everyone's like swears by it, but it don't work for me. So if if if we don't get back to it at the very afterwards, I'll I'll at least at the very least email you something on mantras that will completely elevate that for you. All right, deal, thank you, that's all. Or if we get around to it in this in this conversation, even better, Okay, yeah it would be. And then what about what about you? What's your meditation practice lately? It doesn't look like much it was.
I mean, just whenever you do, like just well, usually we meditate together, and but we have pretty different styles. So sometimes I'll listen to guided meditations, but to me, I'm like, just stop talking because it distracts me. So what works better for me is just like certain music can help. But yeah, and then once once that's over and you open
your eyes, then what do you do? Well, if it's if I'm like really in it, It'll take me a while to open my eyes because then I start seeing the colors going on in my head and then I don't want to leave. But then I'm like, I got gotta go to work. So it's just basically get up, take a moment, and then just
go back to the regular stuff. And that's a great question. Truk because because those moments when I do drop in and it's been a great meditation and I get up out of it within twelve seconds, I am it's all like I could never I didn't meditate at all, because it just because you try to take it fourth into the world, into your life as you go, but in that voice, in that way you talk to with the hand move only way to get it there, right, So it's hard to maintain that
that mindset right when the emails start coming in, the phone starts ringing, and then that's immedia for us right away. So well, so one thing that I've I've learned and then I've created thousands of experiences of us. So now I know it is that from what you two describe, I will say that from your own words, you only meditate for either a moment or twelve seconds, because meditation is not an activity, and meditation isn't like something to
do. Meditation is a state of being a resonance, and so your meditation doesn't ever begin until you until you open your eyes. Then all the whole activity is to put us into that state. So that feeling that you feel at the end of the meditation that is when you are meditating, and so the the key there is to then see how long use your willpower, to see how long and how far into your day you can stretch that out. We really suck at it, But I mean, have you ever actively like
tried to do that. I thought the meditation was when you're there and you're like, you're relaxing and you're just like feeling the breeze, and I didn't realize it was Well, but what does that do for you? Because when you're in the airport and everything's going on, and you're getting a phone call and an email and there's lady at the counters asking you stuff, I mean what and you're now scattered? But what good does the meditation earlier that morning
do for you in that moment? Now, yeah, you can get really good at carrying it forward. Okay, I made it to the kitchen table today. Okay, I was able to maintain a piece of that all the way standing up. Okay. Now I made it to the front door. Okay, I made it to the car. Here I am three months later, and I can actually make it on a whole trip and actually have a conversation with someone before it fades away and so just practice and that's really living
meditatively right. How how realistic is that? I mean? Because when I when I when I okay, when I thought was meditations right, when I was when I'm like, oh, like I am like zen master will right, I'm deeply in this thing. I come out and if I'm in the world, people are going to be like, what is wrong with this guy? Who's this guy? This weird? Yeah? What I would suggest for you will, especially with the Gemini nature, is see which of those techniques
do work the best, and then of those see why they work. And next time you do practice that and you know you're practicing one that really does get you there, then just observe and watch the mechanics of your mind and how you get into that state. So because then you can find other ways that isn't so walking through the grocery store all you know, do you know where the are? You see? That is hilarious? Okay, So here's the problem for Gemini mind. Like me, something's in the really gang bust
one day. The next day it works not at all. It's terrible because my mind, my geminine flips and it's like, oh nope, this is Gemini. This is a twin that doesn't go down with this. That's the problem with me. Maybe you're just setting your ways. Maybe you think that that's what's happening, so you let it happen. I'm absolutely not setting my
way, absolutely well. The Gemini is the radio thinker. If they can master that or distract it, and so the that that trataca candle exercise will transform your life if you stick with it, if you stick away with it for ninety days, I'm certain that you'll notice. But I guarantee she'll notice, and it will have enough especially for because a Gemini, I mean, our our astrological influences are just that, their influences, So they don't control
our life. They don't command our life, but they are strong influences, like the wind in a sail. The wind's blow in one way, but I can still master it and maneuver and go anywhere on the ocean if I knew how to do that, or I might keep part of that. Yeah, yeah, but for you, the lifelong learning for most Geminis is concentration. That's like the main lesson in life. Like for tauruses, it's very
much self. Value for cancers is more like strength and having their own inner strength because they need the shell because it's so sensitive out in the world. But having that inner a surety versus having the outer world influence so much. That is spot on. I'm married to a cancer my wife. I knew it was either that one. It was either that or you need to love a Gemini that one of the other. Between which one. Yeah. But
so what I'm saying is it's not absolute, you know. So it's it's something that you have designed to want to be influenced in a way to push you to learn these things, to learn how to control your attention so that it can then go from scattered attention to more radial thinking. You can see things from many different perspectives very rapidly, versus being distracted by many different things very rapidly. And so another thing in regards to what you were asking is
I don't really teach. I do have a still mind meditation where you sit down and steal your mind, but a lot of the meditations I teach are more like active meditations and finding ways to live meditatively. And so one thing
that you can do is work with the breath. I'm sure you all have learned plenty of breathing exercises, and so that's one simple thing that we all already do that we can do at any moment, no matter where we're at, that will help us to get into a meditative state like the long breath. The long breath is amazing because scientifically, no negative emotion can remain if you're breathing the long breath, which is just long, slow. The breaths
breathing deeper and deeper, longer and longer, slower and slower. I mean, if it's a very intense emotion, it may take five minutes breathing like that start to alleviate it. But you can alleviate any emotion, and that can really help you get more centered. When you're in the middle of the airport or in the middle of the grocery store and without really causing a scene or anything having people wonder what you're doing. You had me meditating right there
where you were doing that longer, longer. I was like, ooh, I'm in, I'm dropped in, I'm in, I'm nothing else. Remember when you were So when we were going through COVID and he was really having a lot of anxiety, we started making bread together. And when you would need that bread, you were just like I would. I think you should
make more. Oh wow, that's hilarious because earlier when you were describing things before, right, I instead shifted into like a Gemini that But I wanted to ask, what's an activity that you do where you feel very centered and just not really engross but just every sense of your being, not just site, is fully connected with what you're doing. When I'm interviewing someone for a podcast. Yeah, well that's a good active meditation, so in those moments.
But like the needing of the bread is probably a good one because it can free up your mind enough to observe, whereas in here you're mostly observing the conversation and seeing how to navigate and interact with that. Where needing the bread you can observe your mind and watch how you get into that state to where you can slowly over time, I mean it does take time. It's not like all of these things that I'm sharing to people is just gonna be
a magic pill and eradicate things. But over years you'll get into a practice where you can just put yourself in that state without any activity. Right. It's actually interesting because there are two things that they've recognized that gets me there, and one of the woman never expected it to be. First the adult coloring books. When I'm when I'm coloring, I when I drop in my zone, I mean I really enjoy it, and I never do it.
I need to get invested in a few of them. But then the one thing I actually found it through COVID when when we got those lego things for Siena, and I was the one putting them together. The act of putting these things together, following the step by stepped instructions, I'm putting the iron Man head together and things like that. That was really really cool and I didn't even think about that just now. Yeah, maybe you should replace your
mantras with the legos. And I always say that I think I was probably a factory work in a past life because any little things I do with my hands, whether if you have a bunch of chains and they get k nodded together that or I love to cook and just chopping doing that, or cooking those color books with all those little spaces that stressful, Like those could be anxiety. Like I could do big colors and spaces, but like the little
ones in my class, a lot of work. No, I like if I'm like and doing stuff that's just like nice nice, Right, Yeah, there's observe different things in your life where you already are naturally getting into a meditative state. Yeah right. You are fascinating to me because you are, I mean truly you, You're you're talking, You're giving specific ways for people to do certain things, and that's that's that's exactly what we look for on a daily basis. I'm really curious, how did you You don't you don't
look like you're that old. You look like a very young man. How did you gain all this wisdom? How did you come across all these things? You said you were a knucklehead? How did you go from knucklehead into willpower? Lots of will power? Actually too, I'm actually two hundred and twenty eight. I was born in sixteen not yeah, no, I'm not. I'm not even for the Egyptian deity behind you. So I can see how although immortality is a subject that fascinates me, but I just lots of
So how it really came about was what I was going to school. I was like twenty five, twenty six years old, so pretty much I was about to get into my solo return. Yeah. I was like twenty six. I went back to college. I was going to school. I had two jobs, and there was suddenly a day where I didn't have any job to go to or any class to go to. It was like first time in like four months, and I thought of all these When I woke up and realized that, I was like, wait, what do I have?
All these things I wanted to do? And then next thing, I know, the sun's going down outside of my window and I never really even got off the couch, and I was like, man, I have no energy. I needed to learn about energy. And I remember my dad used to teach me about Chi taichi when I was a little kid. My parents said pray when I was eight, So most our relationships since then was mostly like over the phone and talking a lot. So I called him up and I
asked him. I was like, man, I want to learn more about chi and energy, and he said he gave me. He pretty much just said, okay, go look up Chi gong and then see what you find and then come back to me. And so it went to like four in the morning that night. I was like googling because it was a desktop computer. Our smartphones weren't really that smart at the time, and I was like just looking into chigong and then that came to chakras, and then I was
just learning and then and then it just unfolded like that. From then on, I met some lady who gave me this book on hand chakras, and that was only like one chapter of this book, and I only saw I never saw that lady again. It was just really weird. I don't even I don't even remember who she was or anything. I just remember the lady gave me this book and I learned about hand chakras and how to heal yourself.
And at the time, I had this serious heart issue going on for like the last two years, the serious like growth on the back of my head. I didn't know what it was, but it was getting bigger and bigger every day, until the size of a nickel. So I was like, Okay, if these hand chokras are really a thing, let's put it to the practice and find out. And so I did, and I did the technique that it said, and third days later I didn't even do anything
with the heart. But you have to open your heart to be able to open your healing energy and so I just wanted to get the growth on my head because I was really concerned about that. But both within thirty days. I've never had a symptom since that was over a decade ago, and so then it was like at that point, like I was kind of serious. But at that point, it was like nothing else in my life matters anymore except for understanding this. And so I sold my TV because I didn't use
it anymore except to watch like videos, like YouTube videos and things. I would buy a book. I remember going to a bookstore and I looked at every single book in the metaphysics and spirituality section, and I only came away with two. One I didn't even end up reading. I think it was The Four Agreements, which a lot of people read. I got five pages into it, and I'm like, no, I want like serious stuff more than yeah, I need the other book. Yeah, actually the other book.
Oh, it's in my bedroom. But it's called The Book of Secrets, and it is by far my number one recommended book to anybody, is my favorite book of all time. One hundred and twelve different centering techniques in there, ancient tantrik techniques. Tantra just means technique so not like that. A lot of people get it like sex tantra, but those are just sex specific here not judging. There's only like two of those out of one hundred
and twelve. The rest are like tons of other things outside of the bedroom. But I mean, you know, I would read something and then that would inspire me to want to learn about something else, and so I would go and order a book or something to then read after this. But most the main thing was I was not just reading these things, but I was
putting them to practice immediately, like the handchock or a book. Also, at the last chapter talked about astral projection, and it said, hey, you can charge a glass of water with your hands and create a positive charge on there, and then it'll create a positive charge. Your body is negatively charged and your soul is positively charged. That's how it's so bound together. And then when you drink the water real fast, then it'll positively charge your
body and help put ship out or out. Wait wait, wait, wait wait he has wanted to astro project for ever. That's the whole this podcast. Oh you can do it in two weeks. The Book of Secrets, well, the Book of Secrets, I don't know if that one really. If you want to astra project, here's a great book for you. Actually, I think that's also in my bedroom. It's by Robert at Dynamics. Oh yeah, oh yeah. I mean these are books that I've had for a long time. I reread them all the time. But astro Dynamics by
Robert Bruce. Read that book. It will, I mean you, it may take a little longer because it does take a lot of concentration and willpower. So being a Gemini, you're you're kind a little more to get over and get past. But yeah, I'll tell you. I'll send you a couple of links to some of my videos and things on the astral projection with you, and if you have any questions or anything, definitely reach out, no problem. And Karen and so help me if you ask the project before
me, I will words. Yeah. But I mean if if she does, then she may be able to then help also assist you out in getting out right. She's never been interestd no no, no in natural projection and and and but the same thing, the same thing with the meditation. I meditated for a long time. She couldn't do could do it. The minute she started boom immediately it's like God, So no, you know that's another story. Come on, well, also, I mean women are more naturally
receptive. A cancer, whether you're a man or a woman, is more naturally receptive. Men are naturally more aggressive, geminis, whether you're a man or a woman, is naturally more aggressive, and a lot of these things. The success is determined by how well you can put yourself off into a receptive state. So it's no surprise that she can just try a couple of times in boom, see some success, see some results, and you have a little bit more work to put in for it. Okay, how was
that fair? I don't know your your soul could have could have waited like three more weeks, and not even that to two more weeks. One all right, so I drink drink of glasswater really fast, and that's going to make me Yeah. I mean, well that's what the book said. And I didn't like when I because I was coming off of twenty five years of like strong Christian indoctrination. You know my mom, I mean I've witnessed my mom like exercising demons, like our whole family is like in the church.
Like when I first got into this. One of my cousins wanted to have an intervention for me just because it was like not of Jesus the things that was. But anyways, so when I read that part, I was like, I don't know about that one. Let me I'll do the hand Chokkras, but that one I'm put to the side. Like three months later, I was like, okay, I'm ready for this. I want to have this experience. And so I did it. It was like two in the morning, and I charged the water and I drank it really fast, and
I laid down on my couch. I didn't want to lay in my bed, and maybe five six minutes in, maybe it was ten, I don't know. This was twelve years ago, but my feet started lifting off of the couch. And in that moment, I thought to myself, oh, I I don't know how to get back. If I want to come back, I don't know how to get back. And I read that whole book, in that whole chapter. I read that chapter twice actually, and it doesn't say anything about how to get back. And so then I like jumped
up off the couch. I just kept myself awake all night until the water wore off. You know, I don't know if the water actually works because I never tried it again. I had other techniques that I've done since then, but yeah, maybe I should try that water technique again one time. But so it was the name of the book again, the Fresh Projection, Robert Bruce astro dynamics. Astro dynamics, Yeah projection, it's actual dynamics. Yeah. Yeah. So when I came, when I woke up from there,
I was like, I need a teacher. And so the Book of Secrets written by Oshow was like still the number one book for me. And I was like, Okay, let me find this guy. I'm sure he has like an ashrom somewhere. I'm gonna learn from this guy. And it was like, oh, he died in like ninety six. So then I was like, oh, okay, what do I do. I need to find a teacher. And then a friend of mine told me about this place school Metaphysics, and I went there. That's where I learned about dream interpretation.
That's where I learned a lot of discipline in practices and things. And then after that I also learned astral projection there and I had some success with the techniques that they taught, but it wasn't until four or five years later, after I left and was learning other things, I did the same thing that I did at the bookstore. I went to half price Books this time and I was just driving down the street half Prize Books. I was like,
you know what, just something intuitively just made me pull in. And I scoured every single book again, and I only came away with one book, Astrodynamics by Robert Bruce, and I was like, it didn't even really seem that interesting, but I was like, it was the only thing that kind of piqued my interest, and I went and read it, and the
techniques and his whole approach is totally different. It was exactly what I needed, and it works for tons of people, just because instead of a visual scent using your visual sense, you're using your sense of feeling and your tactile
sense to actually get out of the body. And then also he really described the different I call him checkpoints that you have to go through to get out of your body, which I was already aware of because even before the school of metaphysics, I was practicing lucid dreaming just on my own and practicing putting my body to sleep and remaining awake, which is actually one of the techniques. So I guess, yeah, that's in the Book of Secrets with Osha,
that's one of the one hundred and twelve. But he doesn't really the way he describes it, it's you just have to practice it on your own and discover the technique on your own to have success. But anyways, the experience that I would have whenever I would have success with the Lucid dreams was described like in very good detail with astro Dynamics and Robert Bruce. Here's this checkpoint, and here's why it is. Here's this checkpoint, here's why it
is. I'm like, oh, yeah, exactly, I experienced that every single time. You know, I'd have a sense of what I'm doing, but now it's much more clear and exactly the hurdles I need to overcome and then through my own And so yeah, there's a lot of there's a lot of good stuff in that book, definitely, And he's the one who claims in that book you'll be able to do it in two weeks, and he
talks about different people who do that had a lot of practice. Well before that book, I always had a lot of success with that, not not necessarily with astral projection up until that point, but lucid dreaming, which is astral projection up until that point. I had a ton of success with that. So we've heard that when you astro project, it feels more real than real. It's not like you feel like you're imagining, imagining things. It's
actually you're you're truly experiencing things. Is that how you experience it? Oh? Yeah, well for me. So there's four levels within the subconscious mind. Not to go too deep, but most of the time when you're dreaming, if you're dreaming in black and white, you're in the emotional level, which is the very first level in If you're dreaming in like regular color, which most people's color dreams, are in the lower astral level, and then
the upper astral level is like very vivid, vibrant colors. And whenever I dream there, that's that's when I wake up, and it was like that was more real than real life, like life, like everything I look at seems a little more dull because of what I just experienced and how vivid and more real it felt. But yeah, the astral project because you're out in the dream it's it's not like a dream, it's you're there, experience in
it with these astral senses. So if you come back with a strong enough memory of it, yeah, it's gonna feel much more real than a regular dream. You're gonna be like this, there's something to this. There's no denying it, because there's something to this. We have talked for almost an hour or it's a felt like fifteen minutes. You are fascinating and so much fun. Absolutely, I appreciate it. I love that we didn't even get
a chance to talk about structure of the mind. Right, it's your book that you wrote to give us a give us a synopsis of what the book's about. Yeah, I mean the book is about pretty much what I'm starting to talk about, like the four different levels the conscious mind, the subconscous mind, is superconscious mind. The conscious mind is the mind that your physical
body uses within this physical reality. The subconscious mind is the mind that your conscious uses, or that your soul uses within the fourth dimension, which is time. And the super conscious mind is the mind that your spirit uses within the fifth dimension, which is space. And so it pretty much outlines all of those things. The purpose of each mind the duty and job that it has the power of each mind and outlines all of the levels within the mind
and really just outlines the structure of your mind. Because if we can understand the mechanics of our mind, then it's a lot easier to understand how our mind works and have more control over our mind instead of our mind controlling us, a lot more understanding of these different spiritual experiences and what is really happening
and how it's happening and why. And so I think that that is that I wrote this book because I started to write a book on lucid dreaming and this book was just the first chapter, and so I was like, hold on, and I was realizing every other book that I write is going to want to talk about this and lay it out in the very beginning as a foundation. So let me just put this out as a book and then just reference it or just make it the first chapter of every book who knows moving
forward. So yeah, I mean, it's it's under because because understanding the mechanics of it is what's going to help people. And there's also different exercises in here, the candle concentration exercises in here, there's an imagination exercise and
a memory exercise to improve your memory. Very cool. You are like the mentor that I always thought people needed by you actually give practical advice, practical exercises, how to get I mean, do you This has been wonderful if someone wanted to either buy the book or reach out to you to become a mentee or to have you help help you guide them through the spiritual journey.
What's best way for someone to reach out to you? Awaken within dot us, Awaken within dot us, any all of my social medias will lead you to where you need to go. I have the in order to access the Mentor Program, you have to join the Metaphysical Mastery Community. And that's free. The Metaphysical Mastery Community is free. Almost the majority of the things that you would think you would get in the Mentor program is free in the Mastery
Community. So yeah, yeah it's and so like all the resources, all the techniques, the only thing in the Mentor program is a monthly live stream, which which will It's like a monthly Q and a to more have be more personable and and interacting and guiding the Mentor mentees. And I'm trying to get that built up to where it'll be easy to become like weekly and then multi weekly. But also there's different lessons like bi weekly lessons in there and
something all the other's like a specific chat just for all the mentees. There's a chat for everybody else. Also, what is that one for the mensies? So there is, it's more it's more for people who are like they've already done all of the stuff in the first section, or they or they just want more like they're very serious versus just curious and serious, but someone who's very serious. And the mentor program is only like five bucks a month, so even if you did join that, I mean, you're still so
very metaphysical. Mastery is for those who are just testing it, and the mentorship is for those who have already worked through their willpower issues. Got it understood? Yeah, I guess all right. So this has been wonderful. It has been an absolute pleasure. I know this is not gonna be the first the last time we talked, because I just love our interaction and everything get you shared with us. So thank you so much for coming on the
show and sharing of your expertise with us. Can't It's been an honor. Yeah, thank you. The honor has been hours and really can't can't stress enough how cool it's been to talk to you. So if you're listening to this and you want to reach out to him, all you need to do is go to Skeptic menephysician dot com go to his episode page. You'll see the links tract related into the show notes, so it makes it super easy to be connected. So Trac, once again, thank you so much for
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