Is Microdosing the Missing Link in Your Spiritual Awakening?

All right, Karenes pop quiz. Oh boy, today's guest is diving into a topic that we have never covered on the show before. What I guess?

No, you don't guess any more?

Hint, Just show me a guess. So we've never covered before.

That's the thing. Okay, Well, I always learned about things we didn't know existed, So how can I guess?

I'll give you a hint. It's not crystal grids. Okay, Yeah, it's not galactic soul origins either. Okay, No, and no, we're not decoding ancient Lemurian light coodes this week either.

All right, those none of those were my guess.

No, I'm shocked. All right, try this. What if something is small as a speck of dust could open the doors to emotional healing, spiritual alignment, and divine connection.

Oh that's just reminded me of The Little Prince. Remember that movie.

It's actually a book that I used to love when I was a kid. Yeah, yeah, well, okay, that would be cool though. Okay, ready, here, here's a lot of dust in the house. Well here's a bigger hint. Right, it involves mush rooms. Okay, but not the kind you sawtey with garlic.

Okay, you know I didn't think.

So we are finally talking about microducing tiny amounts of psychedelics that can lead to big breakthroughs in healing, self discovery, and maybe even less road rates during that pesky mercury retrogade thing that comes on. Right, These are tiny doses of earth grown psychedelics that are helping people remember who they truly are.

Wow.

Yeah, our guest is the founder of microdosing for healing, and she's built an entire global community to help people ease into this powerful practice without the need for ty die or starting a drum circle.

Do you think they'd help you remember.

To take the treash out? We can ask you that. Okay, guys, get ready, because your spirit guides might just be whispering.

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Oh, I'm so happy to be here. Thanks for having me.

Well, we're happy to have you here.

I'm especially excited because this is a topic that really wanted to dive into for a long time, but we've not had the opportunity. We've not found the right person to talk through it with you. So with you on the show now, we have the opportunity. Because truth be told, we are clueless about this. Right. We know about silo sybon, we know about adiahasca, we know about all that kind of stuff, but microdosing is a world that we've been

Absolutely, and first of all, you are my people.

I would you.

Everybody I work with is like, do I have to trip? I'm kind of curious and I'm drawn, but I'm afraid to go on a psychedelic journey. So absolutely so. Microdosing is the taking the small sub perceptual dose. It's usually about one tenth the dose of what a high dose journey would be. And so while you're going to feel definite benefits and effects, you're not going to feel altered and trippy in any way. That's the number one thing.

So you're not losing control at all, like with alcohol or any other type of drug. It's actually giving you more control. Yes, because you're more connected.

You're more connected, you're more intuitive, you're more articulate, you're more focused, you're almost better at most things.

So you're not having any of that like throwing up and just blacking out or anything like that.

No, no hangover the next day, Nope. Okay, most people, the vast majority I have worked with, had stopped drinking some altogether.

Oh why, I mean, because I didn't need it to sound like that. That sounded really weird. That's not a bad noe. I'm just saying that true. Like we when we go out for a drink, it's a social thing. How would microdosing replace that?

Great question? As soon as I started during twenty twenty twenty twenty one, it was I was in California at the time. We were locked down for ages. There a lot of people in my initial groups were coming with the intention they said, you know, I have been kind of hitting the wine a little too hard here in lockdown.

So now are they replacing the alcohol with the microdosing or is it just your microdose for a little while and then stop and never really care for alcoholic.

Yeah, well, it's interesting they lose, it's just kind of effortless. But when there is a friction. Alcohol was such a part of their social life. It's so strange to be out in a dinner cocktail party and walk around with my sparkling water. They don't find the need to have a social lubricant anymore. The social conditioning of dating and not drinking or going to the drinking exactly.

Why you're not drinking exactly alcohol.

Yeah.

In fact, minds me. When we first met, you were on a new alcohol kick for a while. Oh and I was like, oh, red flag, red flag.

That's funny, isn't it.

Yeah?

So, but I guess what I'm asking is, is alcohol replaced with mushrooms? Do you have to continually do the microdosing?

Great question. Yes, this is another big thing that it's very mind bending for people to get their head arounds because we're so steeped in pharmaceutical culture. A lot of people think that if they're odd medications on their microdoceine to say, going off their antidepressants and then in the micro dose instead. It bends people's minds because the goal of microdocene is to not need to microdose anymore. You only do it for as long as you feel is appropriate.

They never came back.

Oh, and so micro dosing, it's not the mushrooms that are doing something to you. The mushrooms are tapping into your innate healing potential, helping you reset your nervous system and so a whole host of symptoms heal and you don't need to keep relying on the mushrooms to maintain.

Did you do it every day? You microdosed every day for how long?

Yes? When I was first starting out, I didn't know anybody that was doing it other than the person that introduced me to it, and so we were just kind of linging it. There was one book that mentioned it briefly, oh On, doctor James Fadoman and mentioned it in his book Psychedelic Explorers Died. There was a little bit about microdoscene. I was practicing five days a week, so I would dose five days a week and take two days off. And so that's a really common one for our community.

Gotcha, And then for how many weeks would you say you did it?

We start for six weeks. And it's interesting, like some people have so many benefits come in the first six weeks that have an amazing, incredible transformative experience in the first six weeks. Other people it takes longer, and it'll take three to four months to get connected with the medicine field. Benefits that's about the standard, and we reassessed, take a break and see if they want to continue or not.

So we're not talking years, we're talking months. That's amazing.

Oh wow. So you talk about how it taps you into your own healing. Could this help with symptoms of perimenopause or menopause?

That is the most popular question right now. I need that so many times a week because so many women are talking about it more. You know, it's very in right now, and more people feel comfortable talking about it, and so they're coming and saying, I'm having all of these symptoms. What is hormones and what can mushrooms help? Where do I need hormone therapy? And where can mushrooms help. So there's a whole host of things, particularly mood and inflammation.

Mood swings too, the meds aren't that's the that's the only thing that my friend No complained about that mood. So, but everything else.

Right, body ache, fatigue, muscle.

Aches and aside I think the reason it's so popular now it's because the women that are currently going through gen xers and we were loud, still loud now, I.

Was just gonna say, still loud. I don't have fomo at all. So let's talk about men's stuff like perfect example, if a man has prostate is shoes asking for a friend, right, could something like this be a benefit to the high blood pressure? Things like that.

I would say the number one thing I hear from men is men sleep better. That's the big one because.

A lot of as your friend, right.

Friend, a lot of men don't feel anxiety the way women feel anxiety. It just manifest differently. For a lot of men. They're very anxious, but they're not aware of it because it comes out in their sleep. They can't get deep sleep, rim sleep, they don't dream, and they're also waking up through the night. When you start microdosing, it resets your nervous system. All of a sudden, they're like, oh my god, I slept more than seven hours. I'm

I would love to say, and I feel the anxiety when I wake up. I wake up all ten stop from the anxiety. Things like that, getting closer.

To being you know, on board, you know the saying, if something sounds too good to be true, it probably is. Are there any negative side effects or things that would be able to turn for someone who's interested in trying this.

That's a great question, And the benefits are so broad. Who has this not worth? The main contraindication I have seen is if somebody is pinned at the top of their emotional spectrum. For example, they just lost a loved one and they're in deep grief, or a spouse just left them and they're in a peak phase of emotionality. Sometimes mushrooms can bring things up that are ready to be healed in a powerful way. We have to make sure we're resourced and have the network and support to

This would be something we should never do together at the same time because we are both so emotional feeling people. If anything goes.

Awry, it might actually be good, uh, send our daughter to camp.

It's actually most uncomfortable for people who can't feel very, very repressed because they don't know, like they've never really allowed themselves to cry, They've never really allowed themselves to feel discomfort or anger. People who are very emotional are actually kind of better at it. Because you're fluent, you're emotional.

We would be genius level genius. All right, Well, I do want to dive into the spiritual aspects of it. But before we do that, one more question that I have, because again I have a friend who would be very interested in this answer. If someone's taking medications currently, is there anything that would prevent that person from microdosing while they're on the medication. We need to take a quick pause, but we'll be right back right off to these messages.

Sometimes okay the answer yes. So pharmaceuticals are not impossible, but they're another wriggle and a variable. We've had tons of experience. We've always had people in our community on different pharmaceuticals, and we have professional support in our community and pharmacists trained both in Western pharma and psychedelics. I'd love to give a shout out to my colleague Christen

That's fantastic.

Great, that's great, okay, because that was a big question of mine because my friend is on a lot of medication and you just never know, right, So I'm interesting to find out how that works. So let's dive into the spiritual. This is the skeptic when physician's after in the show. A lot of people know about psilocybin as a way to broaden their spiritual growth. How does microdosing compare to taking a goddess level type of dose, for example.

It's all a continuum in my experience. So a lot of people who are familiar with psychedelic journeys, who were kind of the first wave of psychedelics back in the fifties and sixties, there wasn't a such thing as microdosin, right, But if we dial back to antiquity, if we dial back to indigenous cultures, they all had a form of microdosine in the form of purification processes to get to the high dose experience. They had a write of passage to go with that. We're just lacking that in our culture,

You would then recommend beginning microdocene with an eye towards taking a full journey at some point in the future, because that's what's going to really open up your spiritual world, is that higher dosage. So this prepares you for that imminent journey.

Some people just microdose and nu's enough for them. I work with a lot of people who are clairboyance and psychics, and they're already really open. They have had meditation practices for forty years. They can really go pretty far with just micro docene. But even skeptics and people who never thought they would do a journey, after they microdose for a while, they'd come to trust the experience and they're drawn.

Gotcha, only experience with silas ibin was in college. And you know those trips. That's not really meant for spiritual expansion. That's meant for, like I mentioned earlier, the party drug, and I puked my guts out. So is there a way to do this?

Without great question? Most people get nauseous due to the kitan in the mushroom. Some people lack a digestive enzyme that can break down the mushroom to get to the psilocybin. For people who get really nauseous from the kite, you can use a different formulation or a finished medicine, like a chocolate or a shoe.

They have chocolate mushrooms.

Now, oh, they have mushroom everything.

Wow.

Well, I mean, so we've had mushroom tea, but it's not the magic mushroom tight It was like lions tail, right, And you could.

Take psilocybin into tea.

Also, because I think we put it on a pizza and ate.

The pizza as you do in college, right exactly.

I think a friend of mine actually took it out of the bag and just start chewing it. And I tried it. It was a pungent taste. It was really difficult. So we put on pizzas just you have to taste it. I mean, I heard that's what people do. I would never do anything illegal, absolutely not. That brings up a question, was my next question. Yes, go ahead.

So the legality of it? Is this something that is it legal? Is microdosing legal? Is going on a bigger spiritual journey with the full dosing legal?

It depends where you are, which is so human of us to draw little lines on the earth and go you could do it here, you can't do it here, and you could do it here. A couple of states, Colorado and Oregon, have passed legislation statewide. It is legal through legalized models and decriminalized other cities around the country. It's happening. It's very mushroomy actually, the way it's happening.

I was just going to say it was back in the Nixon administration that trying to control those hippies. Yeah, we've had a conversation with someone that came on to talk about MDMA. We got a lot of educate, a lot of knowledge from that conversation. So I assume it's similar to this. But we are sitting in the state where it is not currently legal anywhere. Are we out of luck or is there any way that we can bend the rules a little bit?

Yeah. People, at the end of the day, it's you and a relationship. How you approach it. It's your medicine, it's your spirit It's religion for some people. I mean for me, it truly is a is a spiritual sacrament intricately linked to my spiritual practice. So there are some religious protections. There are churches bringing up some of them are kind of open source affiliations where you can hold dear practice underneath a divine sacrament and spiritual practice. So that's one

I believe yep, okay, right, yes, so it's possible to grow, especially for microdocing, once you get the hang of cultivation at home.

No, it's not legal in most of the countries, but it's personal use. There are some religious protections and hopefully is changing soon. One step forward, two steps back, three steps forward, and so hopefully soon people will recognize the values.

And in large part this type of what we're talking about is microdosing. Right, The amount of medicine that is involved in microdosing is pretty decriminalized in almost everywhere because it is such a low dosage or my just wishful thinking.

Yes, I know, hundreds of guides all over the country and we're all at this point and the only time we've ever heard of someone getting in trouble it was almost by accident. It was like they were growing their mushrooms and there was a fire at their house when they were away, and the fire department was like, what is this?

What it is?

Most of this law enforcement is not going out trying to criminalize people, especially for their own healing and their own spiritual practice. I think it's just people are far ahead of where the law is and we're in such a strange place right now, especially here in the US. So when we're talking about microdosing, how much is it? Like is it like half a mushroom? I'm just curious, like, what does that look like? How much does that look like?

Okay, And when you say predose or whatever is it, they ship out like a pill or something.

Like that, usually in the form of capsules, just because it's easy to grow your own mushrooms, and then they dehydrate them and grind them up and put them into capsules. Capsules are very common. But there's also tinctures. There's chocolate, there's gummies, there's tablets. Yeah, it depends on the medicine maker.

I like tinctures. That just sounds cool. You feel like there's like a dropper bottle and a pestel.

In fact, the last time I did a trip in college, we would say the word tincture a lot. I think it's fun to say.

It gives us aura tink shit little models.

This sounds kind of exciting because it seems like an interesting way to dip your toe into this kind of thing. Right I'm not really interested in tripping unless it's in a very controlled environment and it's for a very spiritual reason. All the benefits that you're talking about are exciting to me because not only does it give you help benefits, but also the spiritual aspect, which is what I'm most focused on right now. It's kind of a cool entry

I love that question because it comes up both in the scientific community and among psychiatrists and psychologists. They're like, is this a shortcut? We should need something outside of ourselves. In the religious community that just published a fantastic piece by Michael Pollen around psilocybin experiences, they brought together a bunch of pastors and rabbis and had them trip.

Get out of here, or I want to be in that room watching.

It was just published very recently, in the last few days, and it was incredible to read, and it kind of shifted their I said about practice is very spiritual and very religious and originally back in the day, there's great evidence now that psychedelics were part of Christianity. It was the original sacrament.

I mean, how else is mosic going to see? I'm burning bush for God's sakes.

But it kind of eliminates the middle man of our church structure because it is all about your divine connection with source within yourself. It's the sacrament that helps you access that. A lot of people as they developed spiritually in my program, you come to realize your guides, your angels, whatever your connection is, it was there all along, and it was your own fear often your own fear, your own grief, your own trauma that kept you from hearing

Oh, I have a question, how long does this stay in your system, in your I don't know blood you're in Like people that work can get random drug tests. How does it work?

Great question. I've worked with a lot of people who work for the government, so they want to know this question. It's fifteen hours. It's what the pharmacists have told me. Whether it's a microdose or a hydros journey. Psilocybin clears from your body very quickly and it doesn't get retained in your hair or skin.

Awesome, all right, So I have heard it, say so first of me. Back up, I've heard a couple of different things, and I'll address each one separately. First, I've heard that human beings have more in common with fungi than almost any other.

Entity or a fungus among us.

So I would assume that there's some sort of brethren there that connects us in therefore makes it a little bit more of a connective tissue that makes it better for us to do this kind. I'm trying to convince Karen right now, So just help me here.

I've never heard. I've heard pigs. They have a lot of kind of pigs. I'm not where we have a lot of some.

People do they just say around what have you heard about that truth?

Yeah, fink, I are amazing. They're so much older than us. They've lived through five extinction events and carry this wisdom on a cellular level across time. I think they're coming back in this moment because they know we need a little help. Right right, we're kind of in an evolutionary moment right now where we're kind of going, we're branching

And the little lower thing.

Tinctures and serums.

Guys, I've been waiting that. I just took it longer than I thought.

I didn't want to interrupt her. So then my second point is I've heard that microdosing, and I think you kind of alluded to it earlier on where it connects you more. It makes you feel more grounded, more centered. It gets you more in step with who you truly are.

Yes?

Absolutely, this is like a magic thing. I have to think, Yes, it's a magic pill.

Anxiety is an interesting one when I'm talking to people for the first time and I'm asking what brings them. Almost always when people say, I ask people, when you get out of balance, which way do you go? Do you get sad and inward and kind of isolate yourself overeat binge on Netflix like is that you?

Yes?

In those cases, mushrooms are almost always supportive when you tend to go inward with anxiety, if you get out of balance and you kind of express outward. It depends on the anxieties. For example, people who tend to lash out at others road ragers, as people tend to not It's interesting mushrooms don't talk to them as much, which is really interesting to witness right, because it's like spirit

Bridge user and that the must speak of anybody or anything.

But yes, the healing happens because underlying that is nervous system dysregulation. When you regulate your nervous systm Paul Stammet's who I just mentioned, is a great example of this. He had extreme stutter when he was a kid, and he found as a kid, he was like it would get worse every time it was like a girl I was interested in talking to you, it would get way worse. And he did a high dose psilocybin journey when he was a teenager and his stutter cleared. Wow. Years He

What about meditation does it help deepen meditation? Hey there, it's Will just stepping in here for a second to ask you for a favor. See, the main reason we do this show is to help others in their spiritual awakening, and nothing makes us happier than to hear or read messages from those that are resonating with the messages we're

A lot of people who are regular meditators find themselves getting to a new place in their meditation and they can drop in more quickly.

Oh, I think the only question I have left now? Do you have a friends and family discount? Because we're friends now right? No, it sounds incredible. How is it that this is not more widely known.

Because Big Pharma doesn't want us to heal all the way so they can keep selling medicines.

Maybe we can have the excellent.

That's just my two cents.

I mean, just a few days ago, I, along with fifty of my colleagues were shut down and banned on Instagram for exactly the reason you just shared. There's so much positive benefit, there's so much healing. People are really starting to learn about this work and how excessible it is, and just a few days ago we all got shut down.

Wow. Oh, we don't want to be on Instagram anyway.

We're just like mushrooms though, we just pop up.

As long as it's moist warm.

Right.

Not long ago, I went to a mushroom farm for the first time. They were SHUTALKI mushrooms. It was astounding, the sheer will to survive, the will to come. I mean, there was rows upon rods. They were doing them on cedar wood logs. It wasn't in the ground. I think I kind of expected when someone said, Okay, you're gonna do a shoot at a mushroom farm, I thought we're gonna be digging through the dirt like truffles and things

I love it so much. One of the things we're jamming on a lot. So I have a professional group of micro dosing guides. There's forty of us center from all over the world who do this work as micro doosing guides. Lately, we've been really excited about combining different functional mushrooms with psilocybin in stacking. What I think is going to happen in the future is we're going to

Got it.

Anybody that has a nervous system condition, migraine, headaches, TBI, stroke, recovery, concussion, anything underlying nervous system, Lion's maine and psilocybin together is beautiful. But there's so many other functional mushrooms like turkey tail and cortis aps chaga rachi that when you stack them together they amplify in it.

And they're using mushrooms in Japan to to work with cancer.

Turkey tales specifically, right, that's right, Yeah, it was.

A different one, but Turkey Tale, yes, but that's not the one, gotcha. That's the mosk going on.

So a little bit out of the norm question. But let's say someone has a physiological something. Would microdosing help a tumor or something like that. Would a psilocybin or micro dosing have any effect on something like that.

They have done testing on turkey tail. A turkey tail has had a positive impact on tumor cessation and shrinking tumors. I don't know that they've tested psilocybin on tumors specifically yet. There's so much research going on right now, which is amazing and hopefully it will continue. But they have done research on psilocybin therapy for cancer patients. And I've worked with people moving through a cancer journey with micro dosing

Wow, this is incredible stuff. I know that you help people go through these kinds of things. So if someone wanted to do that, when is the journey? Is it an app they download or do you reach out to them on a phone call or how does it work?

Yeah? So our community, we have a global community with over thirty countries. People can come in and it's really accessible. We just structure it like a membership, so it's like a microticing membership, and so people can come. They get access to safe sourcing, professional resources, and we come together two or three times a month for live coaching calls. Myself and the guides in our community are there to answer questions that people have and support them, provide them

And do you provide the microdose tablets to the folks that are.

Met We don't because that's how we're able to be so public about what we do. The medicine makers and the cultivators tend to stay separate and do things separately. Some of them have religious protections that enable them to source people within the US. We have a dedicated partner who sources them. That way, give them the resources they need.

Should be able to refer someone to someone or something like that. Okay, exactly got it. That makes perfect sence.

Yeah. Absolutely, What have we.

Not talked about, Casey that you want to make sure that the audience really truly gets from this conversation just.

How much is possible? I think what has been so eye opening for people once they start practicing is so much of our Western medical system has been fixing things that are wrong and making things manageable. We've kind of operated from that perspective. It's not about not drinking, being sober. It's not really about thriving. It's about not drinking for a lot of people, just managing pain, managing depression. But

Now, for those that might still have a little bit of fear left in them, is there any reason whatsoever to be afraid of this?

No, there's not, and it takes education and comfort. I always invite people. It's very very common in our community that people just go. It just keeps coming to me, Like I just see mushrooms everywhere and I'm having dreams about them, and I go to the mall and they're like in the window, and I'm just like, it might

Is there any way to overdose on this stuff? No, there's no way to overdose.

No, they've tried, they've tested. Yeah. Actually, psilocybin was ranked they ranked as a professor in the UK ranked like the world's most safest drugs possible. And although I don't like classifying mushrooms as a drug, in this case it was like, yeah, the fourth safest drug that was There was literally no way to overdose. It's kind of like eating too many oranges.

Wow, it's probably better than aspirin this time in this way because aspirin will actually mess you.

Up in terms of side effects.

Yeah.

Absolutely. And what was the other question that came up to me when we're asking that overdose saying, oh, is it habit for me?

So this is another thing. I love this question because even in the field today, there's still a lot of misconception around that. A lot of us are taught to take breaks, you know, so we don't develop tolerance to the mushrooms and you don't want it to become habit for me. But I've witnessed over my years supporting people that over time, when people come back to micro saying is not only is it not habit forming, they require a much lower dose because they're more dialed into the metacos,

Anybody do you think this could help with You know, we keep hearing in the news so much about the opioid situation that we have. Do you think this could help people get off or release that addition to opioids? I think mushrooms.

I'm biased. It's what I do. Mushrooms, particularly microdos and can prevent so many addictions in the first place from happening. Because almost all addictions is disconnection from self and other. Zil A Simon is such a relational medicine. It changes your relationship to yourself. It helps people love themselves again, It helps people love other people again. And you're less likely to fall into addictions if you have that healthy

I love it's sister medicine for baldness regain.

Can mushroom micro dosing help with that?

Yes, it can improved joke, it'll deepen the humor factor. What I love the most about this is the personal factor, getting in touch with yourself, getting more in tune with who you are, the centeredness, the balance of it. In my journey, currently, I'm in a very big look inward phase where I'm looking inside seeing things I haven't seen in a long time and working through them and moving forward a better person. And I think something like this

Right, love it well.

If someone wanted to join your community or reach out to ask you any questions, what's the best way for someone to do that.

I am super accessible online because my name is spelled so weird visa to find me. I'm on all the platforms that allow me to be there.

No Instagram, we won't be putting that in the show notes.

My new Instagram is Casey.

Dot Garrett, so okay, we might put that one up.

But Microdocing for Healing is honestly the best place to go. That's our home base, website, and have so many free resources, many many podcast episodes. So that's another thing people say oftentimes as they binge on the podcast episodes and really get to hear and learn from a variety of people different micronocan perspectives to get comfy. So that's there for people, and then we have lots of options and access points from there, folks, excellent.

We're going to add direct links to your platform and socials I know show notes. All you need to do is go to Skeptic Metaphysition dot com, go to her episode page. You'll see those links in there, so it's easy for you to connect. Casey, this has been eye opening and mind expanding. I think I said something like that in the beginning of the episode. I thank you, wow, wow,

That's probably my eyes. Yeah, okay, are you?

Are you too?

One measure?

Not yet, but we can talk later. Allright, here we go.