Karen, in your thoughts, in your estimations, are we alone in the universe? No? You were not alone in the universe. Do you feel that then you believe that aliens are out there? Yes? And you have believe that they've been visiting us most likely? Yes? Okay, Well, then do you feel that they're here to hurt us or help us? I think they're here to help us. Okay, Well, why do you think that these disclosure events haven't yet wielded any concrete evidence that we might indeed be
experiencing visitations from beings not of this earth. Wow, that was a really complicated way to ask the question. Do you not know me at all? I find the most difficult way to ask a question that's me. I think people would freak out. You think they'd freak out. They would freak out, you know, all the movies, the Quiet Place, like all those things. People would lose their minds. Any thoughts that maybe this is by
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away somewhere. Now. She feels that our government has hidden this until a time when they could share the information as a means to create fear about these visitors, when in essence, most who've been contacted believe these beings to be friendly, that they're actually here to help us, and she even feels that they've already stopped cataclysmic disasters occurring here on Earth. Wow, I am so excited to talk to her. Welcome Rosemary Kimball to the show. Thanks for
being on, Thank you, thanks for having me. This is an exciting topic for me. I've been a UFO and ET fan since my dad tuned me into him when I was like six years old. I was gonna say, I wish your dad was here. I know he would love this conversation. It we've covered the topic of CE fives before, but in a long time ago, and I'm really curious to update the information. I'm not even sure where you want to start, So let's just start with the fact that
you feel that, for sure we're not alone. True, and I believe this because I have seen all kinds of things in my lifetime. Well, I've got a press, I have seen UFOs, i have seen someone's shape shift who I believe was an et. I have seen glowing a glowing orb next to my bed that was definitely a being from not here. So yeah, I have a lot of experience to look to that makes me believe and that I'm sure they are here. The next to the bed thing is scary.
It was just like if it's daytime, you're just taking a nice little daytime net. It was just an or though, So have you just seen an orbit next to your bed? Well no, it was more like a big, glowing green orbit. It wasn't just an orbit, it was like a It was probably the size of me. Okay, I'm out. You read that book Communion, Yes, I did, and that was it kept me up at night for weeks. College roomate to this day will not speak
to me because I would not let him turn off the light. My mom took the book away from me. I was in high school and she came in and realized I was sleeping every night with the light on it, and she took the book away from me. I don't blame her. I wish I hadn't read the book. Actually, I think it's probably ruined me the ets. But that's a perfect jump off point, Rosemary. You think that that's on purpose. Oh yeah, I am definitely sure that that being was
trying to communicate with me. But because I didn't know what it was, I felt something next to me and I woke up from a dead sleeve to see this, and I just said, you have to leave. I don't know who you are, and I'm sorry, but you can't be here. And then it was dawn like that, and so I listened to you. Yeah, okay, so well, I think it was benevolent. Did it make any sound or was it just you just felt the presence and woke up.
Like when our daughter was little, she would sometimes come into our room and I'd wake but you'd be standing there staying at the bed, which is creepy, but like you feel that presence. Is that what it was like? It was just like that. Okay, yeah, no, I knows. That's why I say all the time I am ready to see a UFO. I really I'm looking like I want to go one of these CE five events because I really want to see a UFO. I am not yet ready
to see an alien standing next to my bed. I would be that would be the last thing I would say, honestly, how about in the kitchen? I still know I'm not making a PP and J. I mean that would not be scary. Well, okay, but then again, I've watched Resident Alien. I know how these types of aliens are making PB and J actually mean for the humanity, that's a bad thing. So why do you think we are led into the fear with all of these scary movies? What
is the purpose of that? I think the purpose is to keep us separated from them, to start to believe that they are harmful and they're here to harm us, so that our own governments still have some control over us, because if they knew that we were communicating with beings that are actually friendly and
care for us, it would take away from their control of us. We might use them or have them help us more to be more independent and to create like partnerships where we're not allowing the government to control in so many ways. It's ironic because I don't know if it will make the final recording that we put out there. But you're talking about governmental control and ets and things while you have these beautiful little birds twittering in the background. It just kind
of it just seems off kilter somehow. Your backdrop is beautiful. I mean, it's a it's a gorgeous area. When you are in an environment like that, You've got birds twittering, you have beautiful trees behind you, beautiful day. It looks like out there you don't think about the fact that there's other things that are possibly watching you right now, and that there's governments out there trying to prevent you from knowing that there are people or things watching you
right now. So when you say that you have seen UFOs, did you see like a saucer or did you see lights? I saw lights. I haven't seen them up close, but I've seen lights, and I've seen them doing very bizarre things that I've watched enough to know what a satellite looks like and know what a shooting star looks like, and to know the difference and I've seen them so many times now that I can tell what's what okay?
So then why do these lights, these UFOs appear to certain people more than they appear to others, like those of us who really want to see them. I think it doesn't have so much to do with how badly you want to see them, but how clear your channel is to be open to that. It's like someone saying they want to get well and they want to be healed, but they never because they're not always ready for that. So if they want to get well and get healed, they really they don't always really
want that, or they could be well immediately. It's like they have to have the channel and be ready and be fully open to it. The same with the ets and psychic work. So like you will, I mean, you say you want to see these UFOs, but you're really afraid of seeing the alien in your room. So there's a disconnect. I'm being very I'm being very specific. Well, yeah, but I think it's all or nothing. Maybe, well, that's not I want to see the alien at four
o'clock on Tuesday. Why not? I mean, that's the only time I got say, But it's probably not going to happen. Well that because to see five events. We've had someone talk about THEE five events where you go in the middle of the field and you meditate and you bring you call them to you, and you said that you have had great success with that kind of thing. First of all, where are you located? So I'm located in Decatur, Georgia. It's a suburb of Atlanta, Okay. And is
this where you do the five events? Yes? Go behind us a beautiful farm that we have. I live in a small community that feels like you're not in the city. So walk me through the process of one of these events. Is it a big group and you sit and meditate? How does that work? I'm so curious. So it's a small group because it's such an obscure thing. I don't broadcast it to my whole network or put it
on social media. We have between four and eight people show up and basically we will sit in the field usually and we'll do a meditation one of the protocols taught by Stephen Greer, who started the C five movement, and you just imagine yourself in out of space looking down at the Earth, what the Earth looks like, and then you visualize yourself getting closer to the earth, getting closer to your country, your state, your city, the yard you're
in. So you're giving them a visual representation of exactly where to find you. But I always start out with sending a lot of love, just a whole lot of unconditional love to them, and inviting only benevolent right, So you some of the guns, you stay away. We just want the good guys, right, So it's interesting you actually are connecting psychically with these beings
and telling them exactly where you are. Any fear you mentioned starting with love and electronic stuff, but sometimes right that love is full, but then that little sneaking, little weird sneaks in, and also that one with that one asshole t T comes in. Right, Any fear that would happen, No, because if you think about it, it's the same with life. Am I afraid that if I walk outside and cross the street, I'm going to get hit by a car? That's a possibility, Yes, I am.
I'm not right, right, So I guess that's right. But gosh, I mean back to the very beginning of the conversation, all the programming that we've had, all the movies and TV shows, and books and everything to talk to us about the ets are here to harm us and to take over the world, or to eliminate us all together. It took a lot of guts for you to say the first time, Yeah, come come get me,
I'm here. What made you decide to do that? Because of the experiences I've had, I've only felt love from them, and I believe that they are here to help, and that they've been here for thousands of years. I believe we're there are ancestors, that we are some sort of you
know, breed of them somehow. So do you think it could be possible when you're doing your meditation, you're going like out into space and you're looking down on the Earth, you're actually connecting with your higher self in the ancestral alien form. I think that's yeah, it's entirely possible, and it probably is what's happening. Yes, And so hmm, see's not going to come. Did you meet me three years ago? Well, then you open up
a whole other can of worms. Some people believe that these folks, these folks, these beings are actually from outer space. They're in from different planets, things like that. Other people believe that the multi dimensional being to come from other dimensions. Some people believe that they live under the ground here on the planet. Other people believe that it's just other governments testing a new fangled
aircraft out there. And in the disclosure events that they had in Congress here in the US a little while ago, what they said was, Yeah, there's stuff out there. We don't understand what they are. We don't know what they are, but there is stuff out there, but there is possibility that it could be a foreign entity doing some test runs. Right. Well, I think it's all of those things. I think it's all the above. Oh, imagine how many universes and how many planets there in the world.
Were so ignorant to think that there aren't any, or that there is only just one. What if there's dozens. What if they're doing all kinds of things and they come in a lot of different forms and they're all benign like all. No, I don't think they all are, Okay, but I don't I don't focus on negative or scary things. I never watched the news. I know enough about the news to know there's terrible things happening in
the world. I don't need to know more. I know there's bad people and bad entities, so I just really focus on bringing in positive and loving beings into my world. How did you first communicate with them? Did I seem they have an understanding they just started communicating with me. Did you did you like hear something or was it inside your head or a feeling? Well, it gets a little confusing because I'm also a psychic medium, and so
I'm connecting with different kinds of entities. So when I first started connecting with them, it was really seeing the lights in the sky, one light and then two come up behind it, creating a triangle that just sat in the sky above a mountain, low in the sky, and then just shot across the sky and a triangle altogether. Recently, I had an experience where I was on a vision quest. There were no hallucinogenics or anything involved, just
me in the middle of the wilderness alone. You've heard our show before extending because you knew that was given them a next question? So what happened? Was I Part of my intention for that particular vision quest was I wanted to connect more with the etis because I do believe there are ancestors and they have a lot to teach us. And so I'm laying there. I saw several. But at one point, I'm laying there and I'm looking at the sky and I see this shooting star. It goes in one spot, and then
I see another one that comes in the exact same spot. And there's twenty seven that do that in less than a minute and one exact spot in the sky. Wow, m And I knew that's them. Yeah. See, I want that. I want to see that. I want to I want that. I'm going to Decatur. It'll be freaked out. You would sleep with one eye open, not if I saw those lights. If you're like, that's that's that, I'm good with it. I'm good with that. I just don't want to be they follow me home. But oh damn it,
I hadn't thought of it. Now you've ruined it all for me. Oh man, all right. So you've never had any fear in these these contacts, are these communications? You've always just felt this love. Well, the first time I had contact, it scared me in a way that also it really frightened me. And when I say contact, I mean like I
interacted with a being other than the one beside my bed. So I was on a mountain in Arizona with the other group of people, and we met this amazing person who now I believe was probably an Eta himself, just this really magical light being, and he was the first one to start talking to me about aliens and the snake racing all this, and at one point he says, well, I'm going to go up on top of this mountain and wait for the mothership tonight if you all want to go with me and to
serve man didn't immediately jump to mind it. It sounded like, okay, well, this guy is already so amazing. Of course I want to spend more time with him, even if there's no mothership. And he doesn't know what he's talking about. He's he might be crazy, but he's cute, so I'm gonna hang out. So we all went up there and we're sitting up there and it's the middle of the night, and again no hallucin engines, nobody's high or drinking or anything. And all of a sudden, I'm
sitting next to this girl. My best friend's sitting on the other side of her, and this girl goes, you, guys, I don't know what's going on to me with this thing keeps happening immulately that I don't understand that she's acting really afraid, and she's like, my ear is my ear is turning into it's like turning into a point, and so I reach over to see what she's talking about. I feel her ear and it is shape shifting into this long pointed ear, like an elf ear, Like I can feel
it in my hand, shaving and shape shifting. No, no drugs, no nothing. No, you were completely sober, straight, and it was shape shifting at your fingertips. Yes, wow, So did the rest of her shape shift or no, just that one part. And my best friend was there and she checked too. Everyone else in the circle was stunned. And when they all just sat there looking at us, it was a little unnerving but also incredibly fascinating, and like I didn't really know how to respond.
I just Chris, I feel I feel your pain. I don't know. You don't know if you should be afraid or I mean, that thing felt like bad or malevolent. I think if it was my ear, i'd be a little freaked out. Like I don't know if I could have just sat there and said, guys, I think I think she was an et and she was that was happening to her because she couldn't maybe help it, or she was trying to show us this is possible, but do it in a way so we wouldn't be afraid, like not just say, oh,
I'm an alien, look at me shin shifting. Do you think do you think that she knew for sure that she was an eta and she just was because I mean it would have been I don't know, I think at this point now I think so, yes, then the situation, Okay, I don't even know what to say that that's that's the wildest thing I've ever heard. That's incredible. It will change your life forever when something like that happens. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, So good question, Karen. Did the
mothership actually come? No, the mothership never came. So he was crazy. We all got incredibly No, he wasn't crazy. He was he was really amazing. I think he was an eaty I really do. But we all suddenly got really, really sleepy. It was just one of the things that happens when they're around. You're going into this dream state, and we all got so sleepy. We just fell asleep right there on the ground and woke up the next morning and we were still there. Wow. That makes
mean wow the last three weeks for me, I'm always so tired. Did everyone fall asleep at the same time, like y'all just passed out or was it just like, oh, you were here as well? I can't remember. I don't think there was any more conversation. I think we were all stunned and we just sat there thinking and fell asleep. Did you check for
tracking devices and things that you know? You hear all these things about when everybody passes out at the same time, it's because they want to bring them into the ship to like not do tests on them, but do tests on them right, and install the track and follow you around. This was like twenty five years ago before I had any idea about any of this, and we were just so stunned. We didn't even know what to do. All right, Well, I've got a lot of questions still, and I know
I do do too, because I just cut you off. I'm sorry, Karen, but we got to take a break. We're already past time. When we come back, we're gonna keep going down this rabbit hole. But then we're also going to talk a little bit more about these cataclysms that you feel have been averted already by the zts and maybe make a correlation. You tease it a little bit earlier about the fact that you were also a spirit medium some of the things that you do. Let's talk about some of that
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vulcans. There's all kinds of stuff that's going on now. One thing that you mentioned in the conversation that we didn't I didn't call out, but I really wanted to. So I want to take a minute to do that. The dude that you said that was taking you to go see the mothership mention something about the snake people, the snake tribes snay something right then, I think it would have been enough for me to run the other direction. Did
you not think about that? Well? No, because I've always been interested in the paranormal and anything different, So it made me want to stay and here or more actually, because I've never heard of this before that, what there's ets living among us? Really, yeah, but specifically snake eats. That's what like like of snakes. I love all animals. The snakes don't bother me. Oh yeah, that's that's yeah, that's the problem. Yeah,
I have no issues with snakes either. Well. Yeah, the only thing that was scary more than than a snake would be a big fat spider. One of the attics. Anyway, don't scare me either. You are very brave woman. But maybe it's because you actually are an animal communicator too. That might make sense because they're actually talking to you, saying to you, No, everything's cool, I'm not going to bite you, right. Oh, can you come and talk to the spider and tell them to go
away? Can you make the Can you communicate with insects too? Can you? Yes? My god, Okay, we need to talk to you after this because we got the big spider up here that we need. We need him to go somewhere else because I can right there. Yeah, and I'm phrasing jump on you. So all right. So then, Karen, right before the big you had a question, I cut you off. I did
so. Rosemary was telling us how this situation with people falling asleep, and everything happened about twenty five years ago, and I'm wondering, how has your view or your thoughts on ET's changed from then to now. Great question. I don't think it's changed much. I think it's about the same. That they are here, and there may be some benevolent ones, but they I
think they're mostly good. I mean, if you think about who they are and what they are, they have to be more advanced than us because they've created crafts to travel the universe. And I don't think you can be more advanced without being more aware or more enlightened or I don't know the right word, but of a higher vibration than humans are. So what about like sasquatch and things like that? Are they eats or they? Is it something else?
Completely? No, those are interdimensional beings, you know, I don't know anymore they could be. How do we I mean, we're trying to define all these things. It's all like a part of the great mystery. Why are we trying so hard to define it? Because because you're on the skeptic metaphysician, that's why we need to know. We need to know wants to know. I mean, you hear all kinds of reports about whenever someone sees a sasquatch, a lot of times it's connected to a lot of UFO
sidings in the area. So, right, it's been like an escaped Maybe they're an ancestor, Like we're an ancestor. We aren't traveling in ships yet, maybe some of us are. But maybe just because I'm an ancestor doesn't mean I know how to do all that. Oh that's true. Okay, that's a fair point. There's some smart people here and some not so smart people. They can all have kids. You don't talking about in this room, right exactly, because I don't want to know which one I am.
Well, then you talked about the fact that you not only do you believe that ets have been here for a long time, you also believe that there are cover ups. We've heard that before, that a lot of people are talking cover ups. But then you also believe that these ets might have already actually averted certain cataclysms on the planet. What makes you think that, first
of all, just the research I've done, the stories I've heard. I guess it's maybe easier for me to believe things because I've had these experiences but from what I understand, there are times when they'll come into an army base and maybe there's a nuclear reactor that's starting to go a little haywire, and they're able to just shut it off, and then when the backup systems come on that is supposed to keep it running, those get shut off, and
they'll see the craft there and know that something is changing. And that's what makes it over been so afraid that they can't control something that can turn off their nuclear weapons, and that's why they're having such a hard time with it. I did I did hear in one of those congressional hearings the expert finally said, that's there was the one thing that said, Ah, they finally said, we don't know what it is, but we do feel these craft
are not from this world. Okay, But what they're leaving out and makes us so afraid is why can't you just say they're actually friendly, they haven't done anything to harm us. Yeah, well, you know I've heard about the what is that project? I forgot what it's called, where they're going to be staging a fake alien invasion to get us back on the control or get us prepared or something along those lines. I forgot what it's called.
There's a there's an actual name for it. That they have this project ready to go. Yeah, they're going to be using like high technology holograms to make it look like they're actually invading yourself something like that, and they'll beat them back and there would just be such crazy chaos. It would make things
even worse. Have you seen them? Part of what this movement about is about the CE five is to invite people to see that we don't have to believe all these movies and these things that are just showing them as angry, mean beings that we actually can communicate and they send a lot of love back. So the idea is to learn and to teach people that these are actually friendly, the majority of them. Do you remember that movie with Jodie Foster Contact, I don't think they were. They weren't bad. I I saw
it so long ago, but they weren't bad in that way. No, And in fact, also I was at the arrival. They were actually helping them as well. There have been to be fair, there have been several films that have been on the opposite spectrum, which I applaud, But when you look at history, it's mostly been fears and people are drawn to that drama and terror. It's true, that's why news is mostly about that. I mean, when there's good news, that's a good point. Yeah,
it doesn't doesn't get ratings, right, Yeah, there was. They did a show the good news and it didn't it didn't last long at all, right, right, but that was so I liked it. It was a okay, So let's talk about the CE five movement because that sounds fascinating. Could just anybody do this? Or are there specific places that you need to go to do this? I know doctor Greer started it, but how do I experience it in the downtown Norfolk, Virginia? So I would suggest you
go to this website called ET Let's Talk. Well, there's a website called et Let's Talk. Is there an ET phone home too? Well, it's like that. There's a record player. Cool, So okay, so it's
so eat let's talk. And then and then you can look at the map because every month they do a global communication, a global global CE five And if your group happens to be doing it on that same day, then you get you put yourself on a map, so you can look at the map and see what groups are nearby you and then reach out to them to ask if you can join. I am doing that tonight. I'm looking on that site tonight. That can be Oh I'm so excited. That sounds so cool.
Where they can follow you home? No stop, stop, why do you do that? I was finally forgetting that point. But it'll be the good ones that follow you home. Put the loving vibration right. So is it is it in only in like deserted areas? What did big fields? Or can it be right in the middle of a city. It can be anywhere. It can be in a house. I mean sometimes we it's raining and we just get together anyway because we can speak telepathically with them so you
don't have to see lights. It could be done anywhere. So can you make it? Can you make a request like e T let's talk but not in person. Well, they'll they'll decide how they want to. They'll decide what is appropriate for you. There's a road do well what I can handle. They'll know what I can handle. They know that I can't handle them showing up with my doorstep, not my doorstep, on my on my by
the side of my bed. That would be That would be bad, but I would, I really, I've I'm and there have been times i'm I'm outside, I'm looking up and I'm like, like making it happen. I'm here, I'm going to see. I'm going to see. I'm going to see that. That's then nothing, nothing. So I'm going to try this website. See that helps it and the view the meditation where you're coming from. I didn't do that. I didn't do that. And a lot of love. You want to send a lot of love. Right, they're attracted
to that vibration. Okay, that's very cool. I may not be read. These conversations make me feel so much better about that. Right, that's good. That's why I have them. That's good. That's why I bring them on board. But okay, so interesting question. I think anyway, you are an animal communicator also death duela for both animals and humans. Any thoughts that maybe you can connect so easily because you can communicate with animals,
and maybe ets could have some sort of connection like that with you. I think so, I think that helps. I think they sometimes come in a form that looks like an animal so that we are more open to relating to them. We had a ce five here once where owls came and surrounded us in the trees. There were at least three owls in the trees. Owls are a form they often come in. Wow, that would be cool.
I would totally be on board. Okay, But hang on a second, because I have, like mentioned earlier, I was big time into UFOs. My dad got me into when I was very young. So I read a lot of stuff and I did the whole Project Blue Book thing. And there is a lot of people. There's a lot of writings that talk about when you see a white owl, especially a lot of times it is an implanted memory that is there in place of what actually happened, which is when they
took you to their ship to do stuff. Have you heard about that. I have heard about that. Yes, And you think it's total crap. No, I don't at all. Maybe they're not taking you to the ship, but maybe they just want you to freak out when you remember an owl is just cool and wise would freak out about now. But then they've done regression hypnosis, hypnotic regressions and they actually got to the actual memories and it was a little scary. Oh, and I don't think they're taking people to
ship so much anymore because that frightened people so badly. M Okay, I think maybe they are here and there, but I think there was like a period when they were just trying to learn a lot and they figured out that it scared us and they don't want to do that. Well, you put something weird in me. I wake up and you've got all these things and strange things around me with not understanding. I can't move and I can't talk. I can't that it would scare anybody. It would scare of them,
right, you don't think it will scare them. Why would they do in the first place, Well, we do it to animals all the time. That's maybe they thought they were Maybe that's what they thought the equivalent they could they have. Well, no, because then if we're if we're their ancestors, they should know that we're their answer, right, not animals. But maybe they don't react the same as us to things, and they wouldn't. Maybe they thought we weren't going to react the way we did because they don't
react that way. Okay, that's a fair point too. They give us a lot of credit. Yeah, all right, so they learned, so I one thing is for sure. There are a lot of questions that are not going to be answered just by us having a conversation, but it's really fun to talk about. So thank you so much for thanks for having me. If somebody so we already know about e T let's talk dot com. If somebody was interested in joining your group indicator, are you open to that
or you're like nope, I am no, I'm open to it. Just find me my website as Visions and Reflections dot com. I don't mention any of that on there, so just send me a message and I'll be in touch. Tell them you saw her on the Skeptic Metaphysicians and she'll know what that means. Okay, we're going to alien hunting. Hunting, I mean in a good way, seeking much better, We're going alien seeking. Okay. So, and that's also the same place people can go if they want
to talk to you about animal communication. Correct, correct, Yes, Okay, awesome, Old Rosemary, thank you so much for coming on and talking with us. The time is flown by. I could have talked to you for another five days easily. Have to live with him. I'm just putting that out there. Yeah, we do you need to talk about Skinwalker Ranch, which is where people are things actually follow you from there. But that's another story for another topic, of another story. It's another time. Thank
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