My name is Will and unlike Molder and Scully, so we've embarked in a journey of discovery. Welcome to Skeptic Medicians Classics. You are listening to classic skeptic metaphysicians. Welcome to classics and skeptic medicitions. Welcome to our version over walk down memory Lane as we present classics from the Skeptic Medizician Library. Warts and all. Hey, welcome back to the Skeptic Metaphysician Karen, and I says, you have you on the show again. You know, keep coming
back, keep coming back. I'm so glad that you do. It's always a pleasure to have you. So thanks for coming. Karen, today's guest. Where do I even begin. I mean, he's fortunate enough to have had a mother who was familiar with the concept of outer body experiences from an early age, so he had the freedom to kind of research it or look into it starting at the age of twelve. Really wow, yeah, very very young. He's had dreams that have helped him with prophecies, or not
prophecies, but kind of guide him in his life. For example, a dream that hopefully we'll get to during the conversation today, but that actually helped him to decide to move from Columbia to the United States, and we'll talk a little bit about that. But he's also did a lot of researching to what he's been experiencing and actually has trained at the Monroe Institute. And we've talked about the Monroe's Institute a lot on the show and really really excited to
talk to him about his experience there. But rather than spending too much time detailing his experiences before we introduce him, I'm really mostly curious about his experiences with Lucid Dreaming Meet. I'm so excited about this. Yeah, probably just as excited as I am. So let's not waste any more time. Please welcome to the show today, him Lundquist Munios. Did I say that right or did I pick up? Thanks for coming on. It's a pressure to
be here. Thank you. I mean the obvious question, right. We've got a lot to talk about, and I hope you can get to all of it because your stories as you sent them to us, I've just been my mouth has dropped more and more every time you send me one. And we'll talk about your daughter, not just so many great, great stories that we're gonna talk about but first and foremost, talk to us about lucid dreaming.
What for those of our audience who may not really know what lucid dreaming is, can you explain it to us in a way that it can make sense for us? Sure, lucid dreaming, it's when you realize that you are lucid, that you become lucid, and your dream when you got too bad, Suddenly you start having a dream and suddenly you realize it's this a dream. I'm a dreaming, So you become aware in your dream. Wait, awareness, right, so you're actually conscious that you're having a dream,
that you're in the middle of a dream. Now I've heard also have you heard can you control the dreams while you're in it? In at that point because you're conscious or you just still kind of along for the ride? Right. I don't want to say control of the dream because I don't think the dreams can be controlled as they as Robert Warner. Robert Wagner says that they sailor in the sea kind of control the sea, but kind of navigates the sea. So saying we all our dreams, we don't probably go control it,
but we are able to learn to navigate their dreams. Kay, okay, so I'm not control but manipulae. You know, I kind of work around it, right right, that makes sense. Yeah. I've had a couple of dreams like this, you know, before we really get into it, and I sort of have a lot of bad dreams, kind of realize it's a dream, and I keep telling myself, wake up, wake up, wake up, and then I wake up? Would that be allucid dream?
Is that what we're talking about? So you said you're having a dream and then you're hearing something of our wake up, wake up, wake up. No, there's like a bad situation in the dream. I'm trying to get away, and all of a sudden, it's like I realize that I'm dreaming. So I'm like make myself. I'm like wake up, wake up, and I feel it kind of like I'm in quicksand but eventually I wake
up. So would that you could turn it into a lucy dream? Any kind of dreams, you can turn it when you become aware and you become lucy and your dream you can change the narrative. That's why that's what people say, control the dream, but you can actually change the narrative. On your dream. If you're in a quicksand and you become aware of your dream, then you can just by thinking of you want to be somewhere else,
then you will get out of that equation and then change your landscape. You don't have to my case, for me, our probatiest kind of change my landscape too. Let's say I want when I think about the beach, and then I want to appear in the beach, you know, relaxing and having a margarita on my side or something drinky. That sounds so much better, just like wake up. We can, I know it. I'm not very
telling. People think that it's that's controlling the dream, but now it's actually like manipulating or changing the narrative because we are able to do that, like we are our own directors, and we can predirect our dreams into a different reality. We don't have to be stuck on the quicksand and just change that
into something amazing. Let's say I want to take a little vacations, so I might ask, well, I think of Italy and those gondolas, you know, going do they having a little sip of wine or something and hearing someone singing into you your dreams, because that's the kind of my dreams. You know, I always say every time I wake up, I just came back from my vacations. So nice. That is nice, so much better
than my dreams, I know. Right. Well, so then how is it that some people can actually manipulate the dreams to use your terms and others can't. Others are just sleeves to wherever the mind takes them. Yeah, it depends on what when you go to sleep, what is your intention when you want to have these experience it? So before I go to sleep, I said my intentions, my appilimation. I go to sleep, so I am putting commands on my dream. This is what I want to experience,
this is what I would like to enjoy. And I looked at, let's say, at a post card of let's say Italy, and then I just kind of this one like that and kind of mismerizes on video ful, we will use the beautiful gondolas, the beautiful you know, I imagine like I'm already there. So you kind of pre program yourself as you're going to sleep to tell you what kind of dream you're gonna have. Yes, it's called
incubating the dream incubating? Gotcha is there? Has there ever been a time where you have said, I'm going to be in Italy in the gondola drinking the wine, and instead of the wine, it's actually a Margaret Incurvey. You can you know whatever it happens, and you know what, You're just going to enjoy it, start analyze same way I have. But I got a wine or I got my dreamscape? Is gonna do the tear? Right? Has there ever been a time when you've actually programmed yourself to be something,
to be somewhere or do something and you found yourself there? But then you decided in the middle of a dream that you wanted to change it up? You can? You can just by thinking. You can just there is day Lucy dreaming, or our bikes fail. There's so many infinite possibilities we're happy to get stop with one. There's many realities, many dimensions that we can travel to and etcetera. Is this your dream? Like every night? Do you programmerslf every night? Because that would be so cool? But do
you dream the night before you go to bed? I set up my intentions mostly I love like, let's say, mystical experiences, like my highest self something that I want to I want to go to a to an actual school and learn something new. And so things like that I program myself and then I don't. I don't go to too I don't put too much seriousness on it. I'm playful. I want to have fun with it. And sometimes I allow the landscape or the dreamer to just take me anywhere, sew meselfing,
amazing, whatever. So I give it free throw to my dream. Do you find it to be RESTful? Do you when you wake up in the morning, you feel refreshed, like you actually had a good night's rest Or do you wake up going, Oh, I'm a little groggy because I didn't my mind didn't really rest. Well. What happens is that when you when I go to sleep, I said, body asleep, mind awake. My body is resting, but you know what, the mind never rest.
The money is constantly working, so the mind is constantly working. I might as well use it for something useful for me. Let's say creativity. Let's say learn something new during my dream. Because we stay at thoroughware life sleeping
right, So so it is your mind breast. No, it's always gone something working, thinking anything that you did in the day is going to be playing out your and your mind, so might as well use your mind or your sleep time to keep having fun and learn, grow experience something new. Because if we have in the physical we learn new things, why not use the non physical experiences to learn something amazing? Right, we wake up,
we have an information that we retreat and use it. So you're saying that that everybody when they go to sleep, their mind does not shut off. Their mind continues working even though you're not aware of it. Right exactly. It's all about awareness, correct, And when you bring awareness, that's when you are able to realize things that you can do. For instance, when I become aware, I have place intentions that I want to work for an
astroal school to learn something new. And I do remember one time I set out the intention and I asked myself, what is Lucy dreaming for? Or what is aut about experiences for? And I remember that I wrote it down and I put under my pillow. And then suddenly I found myself on this place walking the street. I see it in building and I got I was
drawn to it. So I went in and there was this guy with a white tunic, and I realized I'm in an astral school because I heard someone said that Lucy dreaming class, and I said, oh, I am in I realized I am in an astral school. So I asked, I see this man in white tunic and I looked at him, and then he looked at me and he said, do you have a question, and I said, yes, I do. So he asked me to sit down, and I sat down right at him. So he rubbed my hands and looked at
my eyes and said, what is your question? And I said, I want to know what is Lucy dreaming about experience for? And he smile and said explore, go and explore, have fun. And when he said that, I smile. I looked at him. I smile, and then I woke up, and then I woke up so happy. I was like, yeah, it's exploded, coping fun. Yeah, so I got my aunts. We're explorers. We need to explore, you know, since the conquistadores everything, we always explore. So and our consciousness, our energy or energy
body also wants to explore, wants to learn constantly because energies information. They actually know we're energy and what's inside about this energy? Do you remember your dreams? Every night because so many times I wake up in the morning and I'm refreshed, but I have no idea what I dreamt. But if you're having lucid dreams, do you always remember? I have trained myself to remember
my dreams. But also because I keep a journal, and I since I was younger, I always wrote my dreams, even if it was small, whatever I remember. So I trained myself to remember my dreams. And now if even if I don't write them down now, I still remember them. Even if it was from two or three weeks ago, a month ago, a year ago, I will still remember them because I have trained myself. See, oh, it's all about training and practice. So I'm getting a
feeling here. It feels it sounds like when you dream and you touched on out of body experiences an astral projection. Well it sounds like you're saying, is that when you go to sleep, you actually we travel out of our bodies, go into the astral realm, and that that person that told you that it's just you're here to have fun and explore was actually an astral beings.
When you say astral school, you're talking about learning something out like going traveling out of your body and being out in the ether and learning something while your body is sleeping, your soul is traveling that correct, Yeah, your energy, body, your body, of your consciousness, whatever you want to call it. I'm not much for labels, but when you step putting labels and kind of it takes the experience, It kind of diminishes experience. So
I learned that at the Moralis if you by the way. So so yeah, there's dimensions. There are energy systems that it's all to explore, to to engage with two, three, the grades. You know, we're leaving lucidity or awareness. You did, you did, You did a great, great job. And I understand your point about labels, and I think that probably we all aspire to get to the point where we can leave those labels
behind. But I find when you're first starting out, I mean, this, this this world that we're exploring, and I'm not talking about this three dimensional world, that this this metaphysical, mystical, spiritual realm that we are exploring on the show, for example, is so daunting. It's so vast. There's so much to it that you don't People don't realize how much there
is out there until you start looking on the rock. Suddenly you pick up that rock and that's not a little a little worm under there, that's like an entire colony of worms. It's it's mind blowing. So I think, So I think at first, putting those labels in place, I think help us to categorize in our mind. We could take the next step, and then eventually I can tell you that I'm at the point where I'm starting to remove the labels. I'm starting to find joy and the great experience in removing
the labels and just being open to whatever. Okay, that's exactly. It may not be red or blue. It could be fu show, who knows, but I don't care what it is, just going along with it, right. But when I first start, I need to know this is red and this one is blue. And that helped me categorize things and get them straight in my head so that I can then move onto the next step. You know what I'm saying. Yes, And you know what I learned that
it's whatever works for you. Yeah, because I used to I used to be I used to be very analytical too, you know, because I was taught that in school. I have to question this add two questions, and which is okay too, you know in a way to question your own reality
right now. But when you want to experience this is my experience I'm speaking of, when you want to add these experiences that are beyond, beyond the mind, beyond comprehension, that you need to remove yourself from this physical body, from the attachments, from their belief system, from everything that you've been taught. Right, you just have to open up. That's what I've been
telling you. With your heart, With your heart, open up. Once you open up your heart and your mind and your spirit, everything, it's just everything is revealing to you right be the veils are coming down and INSI beyond. I think that's key, right because I do pride myself and being a scientist in mind right, an analytical and I need that physical proof. I need to know for sure that this is real and not just my mind
playing tricks on me. Right. But I find that the more drop my guards and just experience and allow the crazy stuff to come through, more that crazy stuff comes through, and the more I learned that I don't really know anything, right, The scientific mind sometimes shuts you off or limits you from what you allow yourself to experience. Well, and I think there's also so much more than that. Just the world does that because I think of the
experience of that I had. I was much younger in college and just you know, kind of living my life and experiencing everything and taking it all in. And then you know, you start working and you get married, and you have kids and you've got to do this, and you have the schedules and deadlines, and it just kind of I have sadly kind of closed off. And even though I want to be back where I was, I'm not quite sure how to get there. So that's the issue I'm having. So
I had, and I've told Will about this. I had this. I don't know if it was a dream or not. Maybe you can help me figure. But I remember I had spent the at a friend's house and I was sleeping on her floor if I think she just had a twin bed, you know, college we were all poor. But I had it was a very very quick sort of dream where I all of a sudden everything got very dark, very dark and very cold, but with like a blue tinge, and I could hear like whispers, and so I just asked him, like,
are you real? Are you there? And then I heard someone say she's not ready. And then it was like this zoom, this like energy, and it woke me up and I could not even lift myself up, like I had just had no strength in my body. It was the strangest thing. And I've never been able to have that again. I want that. I mean, I don't know if it was a dream or if it was something happening, but I you know, it was a long time ago. There is a technique that you can use to recall experiences back to you.
You know, you played out that in your mind again, just like you just and then get in the zone with it. And that's how you can get back into the experience and see what you know, what it's trying to tell you. Why is what can I learn from this? There's a lot of things. So just to go back link to Madika and and your dream, you know what you just told me, and then fade out because I don't that before that, I can go back and into the dream again and it up. I've heard about that. Yeah, And I think the
key here, Karen is you have to meditate. It's so true, because if I don't have meditation, that's that's what gets me to me into the zone in between the here and now, and suddenly I start hearing the sitting, the vibrations, or you know, when I get too deep, I'm going to the sleep paralysis. Wow. Thanks Johness. I've been trying now to not fear the sleep paralysis all of the physical sense sensations that comes along with the phenomena, because once if you don't have the understanding of it is
frightening. Yeah, and we've had on the show a few weeks ago they talked about that, specifically, the cheer terror, the panic that it comes on her every single time she wakes up in sleep paralysis. We're getting back to meditation real fast. It really is the gateway to everything. In fact, it wasn't until I started meditating every day that my mind started opening up to things. I just had it. I started thinking about things, and I tell myself not to think about it, and I'm fixated. I'm not
thinking about and I'm thinking about that. That's where you're going wrong. You can let it be whatever it needs to be. We'll work on that, Karen. We're gonna we're gonna treat your meditation. Yeah, I'm bad. Think me one, taking me one technique I switch. Yes. Also,
I mean this is, let's say it works for me a meditation. You've got it because we're so busy now if we don't have the time to sleep down and take me take for a half hour, forty minutes, one hour, right, so you can go it works for me, this one, I I have to explore on my own. I go for a walk, and I go walking with awareness. That's meditation too, mindfulness doing it. This is doing the laundry, and I'm with mindfulness and awareness that's meditation too.
Yeah, that's a great, great point actually that No, I don't think any was made on the show before meditation is mindfulness. Meditation comes in so many different forms. It's not just sitting there and going home. It's actually it's it's it's the it's the complete focus on one given task. I know people whose meditation is just right, that's they come back their meditation. I know people whose meditation is actually reading a book or anything that that allows
you to shut the world off. Okay, so maybe cooking like chopping stuff, Yes, I enjoy that. Now if I'm doing laundry, it's gonna be a bad meditation because I'm like, why can't everybody be name. It's that's that's theptic physician. After dark. That's a whole other we we're talking about. Choose something that works for you. Cooking is a great example.
Chopping the vegetables, it's a great example. What are he's talking about when you're when you do the laundry, you focus on the feel of the clothes, the smell of the clothes, and as you're holding them, the patterns that kind of thing. So don't focus on I have felt the clothes. Rather, it's it's it's allow yourself to experience for the first time the tactile things that you're doing. And I'll tell you what happens. When you do
that. You bring lucidity to yourself and you're also sending messages to your bring to remember. So when you going to sleep, and because you've been working with lucine, you're in your waking life, you're gonna bring lucidity into yours, into your dreams too. And even thought of that. Wow. Now I do meditate every day, but I have a hard time with mindfulness.
To me, there are two separate things, and my meditations are more about centering and relaxation and getting myself to just be rather than focusing on I still have a hard time with like when you eat, actually tasting the food completely, feeling the floor going into your mouth. Those things have a hard time doing with them. I need to focus on that because I do want to. I do want to lucid dream and more specifically, I do want to
have a body experience. I really do, because I mean really, that's from why my understanding this is, this is the gateway, right, Lucid
dreaming is the gateway into OBEs and that's so exciting to me. If you once you okay, real quick, I think, nick that I do that I do if I walk through my garden and I looked at the flowers with details, look at everything with the details, so you know, memorizes that you know the flowers, the flower where you walk in the walko without their shoes to round yourself and feel their energy, the bio energy or the platt rana reatheem. You know, feel like you're integrated with nature. You're one
with nature, You're one with everything and everyone. Once you do that, you are inviting all those energies to help you have a better lucy dream. Better to wake up consciously, your conscious evolution. It's going to start there. When you become conscious of what you're doing, how you're conducted yourself, you know, you bring that focus to your third eye, everything start opening up. See, we got to integrate of to be able to become lucid
in our dreams. This is what I have experienced, this is what I do, and he works for me perfect It's it's really something that I need to work on, because I really right. I mean, the thought is mind blowing to me. And I just have to tell you for the first time in any of these interviews, I'm sitting here taking notes. I can remember all this stuff. I love that. The thing is that everyone can
do this. And if we are taught in schools and churches all these things early age, if we so easy for us, my thought is busy, since you're three years old, I have in keeping her you or no or recording or sometimes you know, she works up until we had dreams. So so early age children should be taught this. And if they're taught these things growing up, they will not have problems with emotional traumas, with nightmares,
with anything that comes with everything around. They will be able to cope with everything that comes their way with you know, with whatever the world throws at you, they will be able to have better understanding and manage their life and be more centered and with more luciity be able to handle things. And maybe they can do like you didn't and ask those questions and get answers. Yes, you know. And that's how I had guided my life. My life
has been guided through my lucy dream, my auto body experiences. Like Will was say in the beginning, you know, I wanted to come to United States. I asked my dream, my dream where it is the best place for me to live? Show me? And then I went to sleep. And then I see myself walking nail and as I walk with the stars on the payment and then I see this Chinese building. The next day, I see a moving with those characteristics and I know, uh huh, I'm going
to the fanculate. Wow. Yeah. And not just that, but you actually had messages that were more earth shaking to you within your dreams, right, So from what you told me your daughter before she came into your life, came to you in dreams or tell us about that. We need to take a quick break, but we'll be right back with more amazing conversation on
the skeptic metaphysicians, and now back to the skeptic metaphysicians. You actually had messages that were more earth shaking to you within your dreams, right, So from what you told me, your daughter before she came into your life, came to you in dreams or tell us about that. Yeah, me and my husband, we well wanted to our children, you know, but there's
no way that's so. What happened is that I had this feeling that we wanted to be parents, but you know, and and one night it came to me in my dream, this many white tunic, it looked like a doctor. It took me actually flying to another place where there was some nurses, and they had me a baby. So when I woke up, I told Bill, we're gonna be parents, and he kind of says, you know, So the next day they That night I prayed for confirmation. I said, Lord, if it's meant to be too for us to be parents,
gave me confirmation. That night I had the same jury, and I woke up, I told Bill, we're gonna be parents. Get ready started putting much awake, gecause we're going to be parents. A few weeks a few weeks, you know, I met the surrogaate mother. She worked with me. We talked about something you know, about kids, and I said, no, we can't have kids. She has already three kids for kids something like that. And then she said, so you want to be parents,
and say, yes, I do. Something happened to her that somebody shifted on her. And then she looked at me and said, you know, I always wanted to be a sorrow game mother. I'll do it for you guys. Wow. And that's and that's how it happened. And then within a year Margaret Wow. And then the even freakier part was that when she was two two and a half, she actually said to you that she
had chosen you as her parents. When she was two and a half, we were ready to take her to bed, and she said to us that she came from far I still remember the worlds more of war by word. I came from far, far away. I passed the moon, the star, the song, and planets. Her words were coming out so clear at two and a half. Wow. Yes, And she looked at us and her eyes were like brinking, and she said that she picked us us her parents and me and my hut friand looked at her like, oh, and
my heart was beating and his was just in tears. And then she said that the other children waiting to come to hers, and they're like little balls of life. Have me too. I love these stories. That reminds me a little bit of what Sienna said. She was three, and so I had her when I was forty one, so I was a lot older. And she, you know, just kind of walked up to me and she had you know, she's three. She doesn't know anything about ages or anything. And she said, Mom, why did you wait so long to have
me? There you go? Oh, I just got goose fus of myself. I felt your energy of that story. Yes, well, these kids are a lot more close to spirit than than grown ups. Right. For some reason, we find that we add these filters to ourselves between us and the spirit as we get older. Yeah, well that's all that kids in our mind. The kids kids coming the children now are coming back with all
their they knowledge, all that knowledge. When she Margray was about four, when I picked her up for kindergarten, taking her home in the car, she she set something behind me. I see colors out here, And I said, where she goes out here out there outside. And then she said, wait, that's a spirit. It's like a rainbow Saturday. And she said, oh, Papa Highway, I am a rainbow spirit. Out of my body, that's my spirit. And I am a rainbow spirits. Great,
what's a rainbow spirit? Wow? So I went and google it. You know, rainbow children. Then I read that there is an Indigo children, the crystal children. Now the children that are here now they're rainbow children. How did she know that? Wow? If you google it you can find rainbow children. Rainbow Yeah. And they call with clarity, they speak clear, they know things that are beyond I was. I got just like, oh my goodness. Now I know that they send her to me for
that reason. So I'm trying to do my best to educay her on all these things because that's what she is the right person, right, And that's the most remarkable thing. That the story is amazing. I mean, so it's a remarkable story and it does bring goosebumps, especially the two of you couldn't have couldn't have kids, excuse me, sorry, couldn't have kids. This little girl shows you his parents so found a way to get herself to be your daughter and then came to you and dreams saying I'm coming, get
ready because I'm coming. I mean, that's that's amazing. That's one thing too that I was able to understand that that was the reason why I had a dream live in Colombia, because if I have not left Colombia, design happen, right. So everything was guided for me. Everything was provided for me when I came from from Colombia to the United States. Even the family I was going to be with when I came to United States, they Collin gram and Grandpa. They were amazing to me. They were lobbying and and
then from me to school giving a job. I was guided. I was I was taking care of and you were in your early twenties or twenty years old when you came. So do you when when you have these dreams, I mean, do you ever if it's a dream that's kind of giving you guidance, you know, like like moving to California, do you ever question them? Or like are you anxious when you're making the actual decisions in real
life or do you feel pretty confident? Oh, when I'm when I make decisions in real life, I do ask my dream, my dreamer or my questions. I posted the inquiries for anything to make decisions. For instance, when I worked at a restaurant and I was ready to move on and something happen with a customer that didn't had a will, and I had it, and I went into the free set in the restaurant and I dropped myself on my knees and I started crying first opening my heart, and I said,
Lord, make me a businessman. I don't know anything about business, but I know you put the right people in my life that will help me become a business owner. And that night I was working out another place too, as far as I must ask two jobs at a time. And suddenly that night I trimmed that the place where I work was going to be mine. And in my dream they showed me to go and touch it and say it's mine. Mine catch raiser's mind, Customers are mine, money is mine.
Everything is mine. So the next day I woke up, I went early, I said, in the morning, and I started touching everything. What's crazy? What's happenings me? Sir? Can you take your hands off my face? Yeah? Basically you know what one thing that to another one? And yeah, I definitely wow. If they ownerst call me. The owners call me and they say we're gonna sell it business to you, and said, I'll be right back. Because I didn't any money, go back to
sleep. Show me how I get the mine, and you know what. That night, I was shown how to move money around from one credit card for another one for money in the bank. Get ready with your certificates, they show. I was seeing everything, maybe because I was so anxious and so no anxious as a desperate but happy I was motivated. I was eager that I got changed my life. I got into something incredible because I can't
be working at the restaurant more for the rest of my life. Nothing wrong with that, but I was I felt inside they my higher self was guiding me, telling me it's time for you to move move on, and you're more than what you're doing. So I went did what my dream showed me. I went to the bank. I moved money from credit cards for money in the bank, to show that I have financials and this so when the
time calling, why they offered me a business they wanted to. They gave me the offer how much they wanted and I remember what in my dream it was a number that they gave me to offer them. So I offered them what my dream told me. It was so little. They had said that it wow. So it became my business and then I have to deal with they with with the least for them more get the least. And that's when they wanted financial I already have started up. I showed it to them.
They asked me, why do you think we should give you the least? Somehow, soppings to cover me and I started speaking. My avis wasn't a gat at the time, so this was like twenty years ago. So I said, there's a lott of bitsins around. All these people work playing offices. They need a massage. They're tired, they're ready for a night's relaxing massage. And I can provide that. And they gave me fixteen minutes and
they gave me the least. They say is yours, and that changed from their wonderful It's good that you didn't say when I asked you, why do you want? Why should we give you the lease? It's good you didn't say because I dreamed that you were dreaming the pack. It said, oh, because I dreamed that, get it to get it to me now. Don't you understand what's yours is yours? You know, no matter what. My mother used to say that all the time, that's what it was.
But then my mom says the same thing. Yep, yeah exactly. So oh my gosh, we haven't even scratched the surfaces so much that we have to talk about. We're already for the minutes. And so I got from the skeptic the physician standpoint, and I've got to ask the question, even though we all know the answer, I've got to ask the question. Could you're lose a dreaming? Could that just be your mind playing tricks on you?
Like, is it something that maybe you think you're controlling your dreams, but actually you wake up thinking you're thinking you're manipulating it, but actually was manipulating you. Any thoughts along those lines, or maybe the dreams that you're
having were pure coincidences. What are your thoughts on things like this? My opinion, I think it it could be over higher self directing things like a game, you know, and see how we react and how we play the game, so you know, I might as well play the game if she wants me to play this game, or moving money around. Let's see what I'm gonna do it, and see, if I'm gonna play the game to win it, then I'm gonna play it right. So that is a game, and enjoy it the way with a smile in your faith, the way
with yes, I win. I can do it, you know, And then you know what happens is that portolo opportunities opens up for you and more more. There's more possibilities to choose from. So do you choose this one? Maybe you're not gonna make it. Do you choose the other one? They said the door, Oh, there's the winning, winning door in the
game, and you gotta to play it. And if there's one thing that's coming through loud and clear for you and everything that you're telling us is it's a sheer joy of life that you're experiencing, Like I feel it coming through the camera in the in the microphone cheer for. It's a playroom, it's a playground. In order to in order to play a right, you've got to be like a child. They have fun with it and smile and jump
uffing down and say yes, yes, that's what I do. At the end of the day, it's a choice, right, you can choose to just say there's nothing else out there and it's all my head and just keep keep your life just kind of bitter and sad and angry and frustrated, and at the end of it you die. And at the end of it, or you can be opened to possibilities and even if it's not real, have
fun while you're experiencing. Exactly the thing is that we were giving a great, great mechanism tools instead of to use him news and for over on benefit, over on happiness. We don't we get so much attached to the outcomes of things, the materials that make us blind to see the beauty of everything and the happiness and the joy. Why should we remove all of that? Your perception changes, because it's all about perception. And when your perception changes
to more positive vibration, everything else vibrates. Are you all paid up what you're choosing to be? Right? So that's what I discover. You're moving expectations, just moving expectations and allow things to grow with the energy. And guess what, that's the same principle you use in meditation. Well, not able to meditate, we're able to connect with the WiFi of the universe. We start getting downloads, we start getting knowledge with stout, getting how to
live life. I think we found accessing the WiFi of the universe. I love that, al I upbraiding my cell phone myself. But yeah, you know what, Okay, this is how I know that you get grades. A month ago, I was meditating, you know, and suddenly I started feeling these vibrations and something went through my spine off to my head like a current. And I was like jolting out, Oh my god, Oh I can't control this. But I knew it was something new to me. I
knew experience because of my training with LI paralysis vibrations. I have learned from William Bowman and the More Institute to stay calm and just enjoyed the process. So I did that, and I felt like I was being upgrading. I still said, my brain, my neurons. When I ranged, they were connecting with each other. Something finally white that better. But what I noticed was I started feeling more confident to speak in clubhouse about Lucy dreaming. Because
I didn't speak about this before publicly or making myself visible. I was kept everything for myself or my friends, just to share my friends or family. This is the first time I'm actually sharing fublically. But when I had the experience, something happened that I felt like I needed to share this because if I don't share this, then other people are not going to benefit from who we are, for where we are, and we are more than this physical
about it. There's so much of all energy powerful inside of us that you all together, put together, we can light up the whole universe. I like that and being if some people helps that so exactly. That's when I feelt that I needed to become a server too, because it's not right that I'm getting all these downloads, all this information and I'm not shared, then
I'm missing my blessings and I'm missing the blessings for other people. Well, and that's one of the many reasons were gratefully you decided to come on the show to help share that message because it's so important, especially nowadays, to get get the people plugged into the Wi Fi because the planet seems like it's, yeah, it's out of service or something so exactly, and you say that right, if out of service and we need to go back online,
because if we don't go back online, our planet can't just energetically die. And when the energy the energy is not moving and get starting it. What happens you're ratting die. So it's my responsibility to share this too, that if we don't get back on touch with our higher self and back on line with then what's going to happen to the whole planning? Right? Right?
So we are so quickly running at a time. But but I ask you about the Monroe Institute because it's such a like that's the nirvana of people like us, right, who you got the opportunity to train? Now? Did you go to Virginia to train at the Monroe Institute? Yes? Where my friend Karen, she came to New York and she mentioned the Monroe Institute excited
because she's also a Lucy Dream and an autobad experience expert. And she said, hi, mate, I met her through my Facebook group and so she came to visit me California, stay with me, and so you know,
I'd say, well, money is me provided, so let's go. And so I had the opportunity to be there for two weeks intensive auto body Experience with William Willman and that was the best workshop I ever take and it changed my life because I learned so much about how to deal with the sleep paralysis by race, and that was the most important thing that people wants to know how to get rid of that fear so they can have a better auto body experiences. So that was one of the things that I'm grateful for. And
also that I learned new techniques. I was able to understand more about my what was happening my experiences, and so I recommend to more to go to the more rastitute. I have that experience because it's very crucial for us to educay our salves read book. I have a talents of book, talents of book out of body experience, even learning to read fast quick. You know, I have so many books I need to learn to read fast. So I need to and you did send me a lot of the books from William
Wollman, and we'll add a lot. We'll add direct links to those in our show notes that people can actually access them easily. But so so your class that your workshop at the Maroon Student was about getting over the fear of sleep paralysis, right, But they also offer training literally how to leave your body, how to astro projective. They do they do all kinds of different workshops. No institute is really that's like the place. If you want to learn how to do this place it place, Yes, And I also we
practice with binarial beats. Yeah I have. I learned about binormal beats a while back, and I downloaded an app on my phone to try to use them. And I don't know whether I believe in them or not, but I can tell you there's something to them because when I use them to try to go to sleep, I fall into a deep sleep very very easily,
and it helps me sleep till the night. But I'm really if you're out there you're listening to this and you are an expert in binaural beats, I would love to pick someone's brain that knows how they work, because you can use binormal beats for all kinds of things learning, memorization, focus, sleep, And now I'm hearing out of body experiences and all kinds of mystical experiences. So I'm really curious. I really want to find someone who knows a
lot about THEOM. So if you know Abouttom, please reach out because I love to have you on the show to talk about this stuff. Yeah, that's pretty helpful before we change the subject too much. And you mentioned all of these books, so for someone like me who really has no experience but wants to learn about it, wants to be able to do this. What book would you recommend as a good starting point. Okay, for me, I like the one from Claire Johnson. This one, it's very complete book
of Lucy Dreaming. That one it's my it's like my Bible. And then of course William Wollman's Adventures Beyond the Body and the Secrets of this and this one from my friend Robert Peterson is an also in my astro group in Facebook. He wrote this book. It is a great one, hacking the autobi experience. I looked at all these books and they go these are perfect for beginners for advance for it's very well retten and experiences. So I recommend to
start. And Robert Wagner, of course they Lucy Dreaming. There. I send you a list so you can help it. But those are my favorite books that have been recently with me my experiences, and they're just great to start with, right thinking, thanks for that question. They've got to bring up because long time ago I read Bob Monroe's book Journeys out of the Body because I really, like I mentioned, I really wanted to do this. I wanted to be able to find a way to travel out of my body.
In that book, he talks about entities that are out in the astral plane that maybe don't have your best interest in minds. You gotta be really careful about stuff like that. Now, have you encountered anything crazy like that, like what Bob Monroe talks about the book, Oh, that's kind of freaking that's why. That's why you stopped trying. Actually, honestly, when I got to that part of the book and said, maybe I don't really do this, heard about that before. It's here from the expert. You
know, I have encountered that. But once you remove the fear, it's just they don't do anything to you because the way you had to fear, you emanate that energy and you attract them. But when you when you're trying, you're telling that you had the fear, it's like you there's a shield
that Dad protects you, and they got they couldn't even see you. So my experience, I had seen myself flying through a tunnels or something, and I see I have seen that gray you know, those gray gray aliens or something, and I can't see I'm looking at them, but they don't see me. Oh my gosh. No. And I feel protected. I feel there's a shield around me. And you can do that. You can surround yourself with a shield of golden lie wide light whatever it is. I think
i'd be afraid, and also I'm not. I'm afraid that. That's why he went to this class to learn how to give rid of the fee the first time. Or did you ever encounter them when you were afraid and it was scary before all that? Yes, I encountered them, of course, I can say. You know, when the fear takes over you, you wake them up, you know, do you send out alert that you're around? So what you know? I just screamed to wake up. See that
would be like my dreams, wake up, wake up. Yeah. Yeah, you train yourself, you know, because you know you shouldn't give up because of the fear of his encounters. Yes, they can be frightening you. That's kind of a can't I can't. I got a lot. I gotta be honest with you about that. That is that has been a barrier to me moving forward with it because of that part of the book. I'm telling you. When I got to that part of the book I stopped reading
and I stopped telling me. Yeah, And that's why I learned myself. I learned that when we had those fears, we also place out in our real life fears that you're talking about where we else, fears play out in our real lives in anything we do. We feel like, oh if I do this, oh what's gonna happen? And then we retreat. Oh no, you know, so that stop us from becoming even more so, could those grays or whatever you call them, Could those be like a different present
of what's happening in real life. It can't be a representation also of what's happening in your life. So when I myself, I came to that self realization and stop not putting fear on those things, I noticed that more things were manifesting here on the physical for more manifesting my relationship, my kid, my business, my house. Things were happening. Even being here with you right now, it's a manifestation for me. There's so much that we can
talk about. Someone wants to continue the conversation with you. The best place probably on clubhouse, right, yeah, clubhouse pace for most house about us in dreaming, Yes, Okay, sadly we're out of time. You're just giving them so many great, great tips today. If anybody wants to continue the conversation with him, I invite you to reach out to him on Instagram at him Lundquist Munios. I'll add that in our show notes as a direct link, so you can connect with him directly. Also, I can't recommend
enough. He's got two Facebook groups that he recommended to us and I checked them out and it looked really cool. I'm going to join them today him, so let you're aware it's Lucid Dreaming Club is and the other one group and the other group is astral Beings. So Facebook dot com slash groups slash astral Beings, any other one is groups slash Lucid Dreaming Club. Invite you to join those if you're interested in the topic because the conversations that they're having
on there are remarkable. And of course if you are on Clubhouse, absolutely look him up Him Lundquist Munios. I will add also all that information in the show notes for you. Thank you so much him if coming on the show giving us all this information. You are a wealth of knowledge in this space. And I encourage anyone who's interested in lucid dreaming or out of body experiences to connect with him, because he is not only just a joy to
talk to, leisure to be around through the internet. Yeah. Absolutely, anytime your smile lights up the room and the knowledge that the optimism, the hope, it's really wonderful. So thank you, Thank you so much for coming. Really appreciate that to make approphetic and a huge thank you to you. Yes, you the person that hit play on this episode. We know that there are tons of options out there, and having you decide to come along on our journey of discovery with us is an absolute honor for us.
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