My name is Will and unlike Molder and Scully, so we've embarked in a journey of discovery. Welcome to Skeptic Medicians Classics. You are listening to classic Skeptic medic Physicians. Welcome to classics and skeptic medicitions. Welcome to our version over walk down memory lane as we present classics from the Skeptic Medicizian Library. Wartz and all. Hey, everyone, welcome back to another episode of the Skeptic Medical Position. Before we get started, to give you a little bit
of backstory. In numerology, your life path number gives you a blueprint for living right. It gives you insight into what you're like as a person, as well as how you might navigate your career, your relationship, even what you do in your spare time. Well, numerology tells us that double digit numbers like eleven, twenty two, and thirty three are incredibly powerful. They're called master numbers for a reason, and they're said to possess intense energy.
Now, it's said that master numbers operate at higher vibrations or have more potential than other life path numbers. But Will, you might ask, what the heck does this have to do with you the skeptic physician or your next guest. Well, I'm glad you asked that, because my next guest is none other than the host and co founder of the hit podcast Path eleven. But to say that Path eleven is just a podcast would be ten amount to saying
that the Bible is just a book. Boasting their own Path eleven app, they provide hours and hours and hours of great video, audio, and even event content around specific messages of interest to a spiritual path, most of it based around debt in life after debt. Now, this is something that we've not touched on before, so I'm incredibly excited to dive into everything at Path eleven does and offers. So joining me today to do just that is the
co founder of Path eleven Productions, April Hannah. April, thank you so much for coming on the show. Hi, Well, thank you so much. That was a beautiful introduction. I'm really excited to have this conversation. This is why, just to get a little bit of a base, I know what the app does and is, why don't you, in your own words, tell the audience how you consider the content on the app to be
about. We're basically a spirituality streaming network. So you can watch from your computer it's called Path eleven TV, or you can download the app and we have it for like every smartphone, tablet, whatever you need. You find
it, go into your app store and you can download it. And right now we have over one hundred hours of content of like you had mentioned, videos, documentaries, conferences, really heavy and focusing on the afterlife, life after death, after death communication and basically this kind of takes us to the beginning of the story too, which I'm sure you're probably going to ask me about, like how did Path eleven where did you get your name start?
So the co founder is Michael Habernig, and he's the director and I'm the producer of our content. And back in two thousand and eight, Mike experienced an enormous amount of death in his life. There was somebody dying every single month, felt like, whether it was animals, coworkers, friends. He was in a funeral parlor pretty much every month for a full year. He slipped into a depression because he really was feeling like his religion wasn't able to
answer his questions of what the heck is going on here? Why are so many people dying. He wanted to find out are these people alive? Where are these animals going? So he started to stumble upon metaphysics, astral projection, out of body experiences, life after death communication, and then also the mysteries of healing and raiki. And in two thousand and eight, I had launched my private practice. I'm a licensed mental health therapist and also an energy
healer. They used to work in a psychiatric hospital and I was there for five years, and I was like, Hm, the clients get to leave, but I'm staying. I'm here every day. So I've been in a
psychiatric hospital for five years. So I finally decided, because I started really delving into spiritual work that when I was working with patients that were having some psychosis or really grief reactions, but they were being put on psychotropic medication, I was starting to really have issues with that because they were having grief experiences and they were accessing the other side, but our culture was medicating them,
saying that they were crazy and that they shouldn't have hurt here, this here, or they shouldn't be hearing these voices or seeing these things. So I decided that I was going to break away from the traditional psychiatric therapy and counseling and begin to integrate some of the healing work that I was doing. And Mike was really usted in healing modalities. So the first week my private practice, my website is published, and I have a guy calling me saying,
would you like to be in a documentary? So I was like, oh my god, I can't believe it. You follow your path the universe response what everyone says, every spiritual teacher, every book I've read. It's right, It's truly true. So I said, well, I said Mike, I'm really good at organizing. I have a boatload of contacts of people that we could interview and we could create a bunch of documentaries. So we put
our ideas together and we actually ended up producing three documentaries. There's a documentary trilogy on the afterlife. The Path Afterlife, it's called The Path Beyond the Physical is the second one, which is all about understanding how you can move your consciousness out of body and astral project. And we also we're able to interview man in the military that was a part of the classified Stargate mission where our military was training psychic spies skip at water. So we were able to
talk to him and learn about remote viewing and all of this stuff. And then the third documentary, The Path Evolution, is all about the theory of consciousness, where we followed a nuclear physicist that used to work at NASA and trying to understand his theory of consciousness and everything. We traveled up and down the East Coast, and I don't know we got over. I can't even tell you. Probably seventy five hours of footage that we went through to make
those three documentaries. So that's why we're really focused on life after death because I had a craving of spirituality and spirit and energy healing, and he had these unanswered questions that his religion wasn't answering about the afterlife. Came together and started to create Path eleven, and Path eleven came about with the name. We were sitting one day saying what are we gonna call this company, and
it was just very natural conversation. We said, well, we're both on a path, right, so we're like, okay, path the Path. And then we had met a numerologist, so it's funny that you introduced the show with numerology and we sat and we interviewed her for our documentary, and immediately her first question was, when's your birthday? I want to figure out your life path numbers. So I'm a life path nine and Mike is a
life path eleven. So and that's like the master number, right, and the two actually life paths work really well together because one kind of has like the vision and the idea and the other can help complete. So we decided, well, why don't we just call it path eleven since we learned about this master number of eleven, we're both on a path. And then eleven started following us everywhere we went. We started experiencing the eleven eleven phenomenon.
Every time we'd go into production, we'd see one to eleven eleven eleven. When we were traveling to interview people, you know, Google maps would say, you know, our eta of arrival was going to be one to eleven eleven eleven. I mean, we were taking pictures of it. It was just like insane and crazy. We lived eleven miles apart from me, so my mom always said to me, if you were a boy, I was going to name you Michael and Mike and I are born in the same month,
same year, one week part. So it's just we've had so many synchronicities learning about each other, you know, when we had first gotten together, and then this number eleven would not stop. He said, all right, let's name at path eleven. I know that you were already investigating life after death, and then you had your own encounter with death fairly recently.
But before we touch on that, I'm curious to know when you first started doing all of these, before you had your own encounter with death, what did you know about life after death? Were you a skeptic? Were you fully convinced that there was such a thing as life after death? How much exposure to that kind of thing did you have prior to making these projects?
So I would say I wasn't as indoctrinated in the religion as Mike was, but I come from an Italian American family and my grandmother was extremely religious and extremely Catholic. Taught me the Rosary, you know all of my prayers. So I believe in God, and when you die, you go to heaven, and you know, you better be careful of breaking any rules. So I would say, you know, I always had some sort of faith.
I prayed a lot, I did believe in a God. I didn't know what that god was, and I wasn't doing a lot of studying or questioning of it, you know, I just would always say my prayers. I believed in divine intervention. So I believed in something, but I really didn't know what. And then when we took that week long road trip and started interviewing people, there was the nuclear physicist Thomas Campbell, who pretty much blew
every belief system that I had in my life out of the water. And I left doing these interviews like, I don't know what I believe in anymore, and I'm really freaked out because I thought this was the plan. And I started learning about soul contracts. How you know that we pre plan our life and that we travel within the same soul group, and that we decide how we want to evolve in each lifetime, and that our soul group people will volunteer to play roles in our lives and we come down in the physical
body and we act that out in order for our soul to evolve. I was like, Oh, my God, who's in my soul group now? And you know, so I actually started this with less questions and then had way more questions afterwards, and I really realized it kind of freaked me out because belief systems, I feel, make you feel very secure. Like I felt like I knew where I was going and where I was headed, and
the Catholic Church told me, and that felt really good. And then I go on this journey and I start interviewing these people with all these different experiences and learning that you can astral project and go out of body and like go to different planets and meet aliens and stuff like that, and that you can just do this with your consciousness and that were more than our physical body. I mean, I was so kind of freaked out that I felt really unsafe.
Then I was like, Okay, now I don't know what I believe, and now I don't really have this plan, and that can be a really scary time when people are going through maybe a spiritual awakening and they're really being challenged to question their belief systems. I still don't have the answers. I've had a lot of great experiences in this pathful even journey of meeting really
talented mediums, like people that can communicate with the deceased. I have phenomenal scientists, right and physicists that talk about the quantum mechanics and this virtual field that we're in and that maybe we're just avatars and really understanding consciousness. And I would say that there's some things that sound really good to me, and I would like to believe it. But the other thing that I've learned in this journey is that beliefs can also be traps, and you don't get anything
for believing anything. You know, it's really more about the experience. So I guess I've kind of learned, similar to you, to be an open minded skeptic and to collect as much personal data and personal experience as I can and then maybe draw some conclusions, right. And you know, I recently heard somebody say that all that a skeptic really is is someone who was slow
to draw conclusions. You know, I'm not necessarily even convinced that I know all the answers, and I don't think it would be fair to say that I know what happens when we die, But I've heard some really cool things that I would like to believe is what happens when we exit the physical form.
I've had interviews where they talked about people traveling to different planets, and meeting aliens and things like that, and a lot of it was over my head, I will admit, so I didn't know that there was so much out there. Similarly to you, I didn't realize how much there was out there. I've never been able to astro project or I've tried and tried and tried. I've never been able to read anybody's thoughts or speak to the deceased.
I have experienced some things that made me sit up and take notice. So I do believe that there are things out there. I'm just not sure what they are. Having heard all of these different stories, does there seem
to be a common thread throughout or does everyone have their own experience. Well, I would say, you know, after interviewing and reading a lot of people's books and having my guests on my podcast that have had near death experiences, people who have not died and had spiritual awakenings and experience that are like near death experience, and I would say, and those out of body explorers that have been able to astral project and the researchers of consciousness and the scientists
as that, I do believe that there's you know, this intelligence out there, the themes that I find is that there is a great intelligence. And I actually prefer the word creator over God because I don't think God has come with such a connotation of being male, you know, in so many cultures and stuff. So I like the word creator because it really defines like something
created this magnificent planet, like the creation was created by this intelligence. So I do feel that there's a divine intelligence that knows exactly what it's doing, and that the running theme through and through is that the ultimate evolution of our soul is to become more love and to be of service, and to get connected in our heart and get out of our minds, and to really enjoy
the human experience and connection of being here. And that the Creator isn't here to punish us or to hurt us with really tough situations that we go through in life, but those situations are brought to us for us to evolve our consciousness. And like Thomas Campbell in our documentary says, you either evolve or
de evolve. It's only two ways to go with consciousness. And there's a lot of decisions and behaviors you can make and choices that you can have our situations that you can put yourself in that can help you to de evolve, you know. But when you're on a spiritual path and you're really trying to come with kindness and compassion and love, that allows your consciousness to evolve. So those have been some of the themes that I continually hear over and over
and over again. I keep hearing guests after Guests tells me we are in the midst of experiencing a spiritual awakening, the lights that we've never seen before. And yet when you turn on the news and you read the newspaper and you look online, all you're getting is what I hear you say, which is the humanity de evolving. It just seems like we're going in the opposite
direction. At In a lot of ways, there seems to be a big divide between the people who are awakening and the people who just kicking and screaming or saying, you're not taking the keys from me until I'm ready to do it. So how do we come to terms with something like that. I may not be able to speak as eloquently about this as some other people can, but I'll try to do it. Just in my way. Is that, yes, the news can make us feel like we're de evolving. But
you know, it's called television programming. Programming for a reason, and that is just a small sliver of a window that we can look through that appears to be the whole world, right, And the television in the news is really a program for fear. And I would say, I'm not like this huge conspiracy theorist, and I don't get totally in depth with some of those ideas and things like that, but I will tell you that when I went into my own therapy in my early twenties, I was struggling with my own
anxiety that was kind of based in childhood and some PTSD. The first assignment my therapist gave me, who was a very spiritual teacher as well, she said, April, how often do you watch the news? I said, oh, twice a day in the morning and at night. Your homework is to stop watching the news. I said, Susan, I can't stop watching
the news. How am I going to know what's happening? She goes, April, you have a lot of people in your life who love you very much, and if the world is going to end, I promise you someone's going to give you call, or somebody will text you. I remember I had a client that was really struggling with anxiety over what was going on with the riots during the election time and when they stormed DC and all of that.
And I said, and I asked her, I said, if you did not turn the TV on today, what was your world like without watching that? I said, did anything really change outside of your home? Your day? You know, what was your day like? She goes, Oh, actually, the weather was really beautiful and nothing really happened in my town, and I was safe and I was okay. But you would have thought
that she was there participating, witnessed and saw all of that chaos. And unfortunately, because we are programmed to survive and we're kind of programmed to get through very traumatic moments as a human being and a species, we can become very addicted to that adrenaline, the stress hormones that get released, the dopamine that gets released in our brain, and we crave more of that. So, yes, there are some really horrible things that have happened in our world,
and I'm not downplaying any of that. But I also think there has to be a really good balance between what's going on, what we're being served, the amount of fear that you're allowing into your life and then kind of what is really going on on your day to day, because I'm sure you've had a lot of your guests say, you know it, change really begins within yourself. And we can feel very overwhelmed with the political world and what's
happening, and it looks like we're de evolving. But if you become that change, right, become the change you wish to see in the world. But you start changing and becoming more love, that eventually has a ripple effect. So like, what can you do, what can you take control of today? So I would say it really depends where are you looking and what is your perception. If all you're doing is watching the news, it's going to feel like we're going to hell and handbag, right, that the world
really is crumbling. But if you look through a different lens and you're watching for the stories of people rallying and gathering together and supporting one another through natural disasters and coming together as a community, and look at all the beautiful things that happened with the pandemic and food pantries and people reaching out and taking care
of each other, and you know, the black lives matter movement. I mean something horrible, like I said, that feels like it was just this horrible thing that it happened helped a lot of people's consciousness to evolve, to stand up to speak, to speak their truth. So I really think it's the pair of glasses that you wear and how you're looking at it, because it may look like it's an ugly world, but there are many beautiful aspects of it as well. So I think we're moving more towards evolution than d
D evolution. It was beautifully said, and I want to thank you for reminding me. My second book that I talk about on the show all the time is doctor WAYN. Dyer's Ten Secrets of Inner Peace and Success or something along those lines. And that's more along the lines of everything is exactly the way it's supposed to be right, we are in exactly the place that we're
meant to be, And you're right. Change starts from within living life through a non judgmental get out of your mind and more into serving others and in closer to love. And that when I remember to do that stuff, it does help a lot. So you're right. And I can't tell you the last time I watched the news for that exact reason, I actually went through my own mental health crisis and I did turn it off because I couldn't. I couldn't, and I just I've never gone back. I think, I
think maybe once or twice in the past month or so. But but then that brings me to the point of the inner piece that we're all trying to achieve in this life is meant to prepare us for the next. We need to take a quick break, but we'll be right back with more amazing conversation
on the skeptic metaphysicians. And now back to the skeptic metaphysicians. A lot of the things that I saw on your app was about getting beyond the fear of death, of passing through because of some of these experiences that people have had that you spoke about a little bit earlier. So before we go any further, I'd love for you to share with us your encounter. You had already been investigating these life after death cases when you were confronted with your own
experience with death. Can you share that with us? Yeah, so you know, I started this death journey, I guess she could say in two thousand and eight, and then in two thousand and nineteen, my mom tragically died. She was hit by a car on October nineteenth. So the interesting thing with all of that was that I had an intuition and in knowing that
my mom was going to pass that year. My mom struggled a majority of her life with alcoholism and addiction, and she had periods of sobriety, but the last two years of her life she really got herself into some predicaments in a really horrible domestic violent relationship, really struggling with money, some health issues on top of addiction. Right, So it just was an intuitive sense when you feel like someone's really going downhill, you I just knew. I don't
know how to explain it. I just knew that her time was near. I didn't know when or how. My guess was she would have passed away, either from a drug overdose or maybe a complication of alcoholism. She also struggled with some long issues because she was a long time smoker. But never in a million years would I think that, you know, she was going to get hit by a car and that would be the way that she would
leave you this earth. And I had some premonition dreams. I kept having the stream of a state trooper coming to my place to notify me, and that's exactly what happened. You know. A state trooper came and it was five o'clock in the morning, and he opened up the door and he said, are you April Hannah And I said, yes, I am. This is about my mom, isn't it. And he said yes. He's like looking at me with this strange you know look, He's like, yes,
she was in an accident. And I said she's dead, isn't she?
And he said, how did you know this? And so, like I wasn't going to go into well, I've been psychics since I've been five years old, you know, and you know I've been having these dreams, officer, but you know, so it's just kind of interesting because I knew that my mom's death was impending, it was going to be happening soon, but you know, the trauma of it was pretty pretty traumatic, and then, you know, it left me with more sometimes, you know, like when
I think about it, some more questions, you know. It I went back to my resource of doing all this work with pathlev and TV and was found myself saying, well, what fits in you know, what makes sense? Why did my mom have to go this way? Why did her life it was so tragic? Why did her death have to be tragic? You know? So I went and I called out some of just my really close friends and people that I met through my show and really did consultations with healers
and psychic mediums to understand where is my mom? Where is she? Is her soul lost? Is there such thing as that if there's a tragic death, did her soul get to the light? You know, Like even though I've had these guests on my show, you know, tell me some of these things, I really started to question it because now it was like this more personal experience and you know, trying to like figure out my own answers of where is she? Can I communicate with her? You know? Why
did it have to happen this way? Like with all of the trauma that we've been through in our relationship, Like, really, Mom, you're going to leave me with one more post traumatic stress you know, a situation here.
So it's just been really interesting. And I would say that when you work and you're talking so much about death, people might perceive my reaction as like I shouldn't seem that distraught, And it's like there's a part of me with doing all this research, I'm not because I do know and believe and have experienced that my mom's consciousness is outside of the physical body as I know
her to be. So I don't have this part of grief that maybe many people have depending upon where their belief systems are, because there's just a knowingness that, like, my relationship with her doesn't end. Actually it got a lot better because we were no longer dealing with the alcoholism and the drug addiction, all the drama and the chaos of what was going on. Yeah,
now I could really communicate with her. We can have a conversation, we can have spiritual conversations, and you know, I've had a lot of validations of that from different psychic mediums that I've consulted in the past year and a half. So I would say it didn't strengthen or my fear of death. You know, I feel like I don't have a fear of death. My fear is more running out of time and feeling like do I have enough time
in this world to get done what I need to get done? You know, But I would say, one of the things that really just felt right to me was this theory, like I said earlier, of the soul contracts. Right of the soul contract theory helped me to not be angry, to not be mad in the way that she died, to not be upset with her with all of the experiences that we went through that were really hard and really traumatic. It really helped me to take a look at the relationship more
through the lens of what was my mom here to teach me? What did she and I sign up for? What was our contract? And what am
I going to do with these lessons that she brought me? And so my work kind of is deepening since her passing, even more than where I was at, you know, a couple of years ago with working with Path eleven, because once it hits you so raw, then I feel like it's become even more of my mission to get this education out there so people aren't suffering so much or staying stuck in their grief if they've lost a loved one, they have access to our library, to pathl M, ANDTV to get some
of their questions answered. If my mom died that way before two thousand and eight, I couldn't even tell you where I was. Without knowing all of this stuff in this research, I would probably still be in like deep therapy for it. I probably just would have stayed traumatized. So for those that were listening in who maybe aren't familiar with the term soul contract, in essence, it's pretty much just kind of a basic plan that you make prior to
coming to the world. Is that right, That's not how you see it. That's my understanding. Yeah, that we travel within the same soul group, we return with them over and over, we play different roles in each other's lives. But you know, maybe my lesson in this soul maybe I said, Okay, guys, I really want to learn about forgiveness, So somebody teach me about forgiveness. And my mom, being her soul, raised
her hand and said, okay, I'll teach you about forgiveness. I will be your mom in this lifetime, but I will take on darkness and I will give you really hard stuff to forgive. That's heavy. That is really so. First of all, I'm sorry that you have to go through all the things that you went through, but I'm also I'm glad that you actually did have a tool like Path eleven TV to turn to for that kind of help. I have been unbelievably lucky to not have a significant passing of anyone
that I truly cared for. Yet my parents are in their eighties now and things are getting close health wise and things like that, so I fully anticipate something happening soon. Now. I don't have the type of intuition that you have that says my father will pass this year, but something tells me, yeah, he's not he's not great. So how does someone prepare for that, for the passing of a loved one that has really shaped who you are or you who you've been for so long? Yeah. So what I've learned
more recently with this conference that is on Path eleven TV. It's called the Afterlife Conference. I was introduced to people called death duelas I didn't even know that there was such a thing. So like for you, I would say, I would really immerse yourself into what a death duel is and how they can help families prepare for death. Shamans do beautiful and wonderful like death rituals and work that can help souls transition. The work of Raymond Moody and Lisa's
smart. Where they've done the language of the dying and deathbed visions is fascinating to me. And I learned about that after my aunt had passed away. She had a very active death. You know, my cousin and I were spiritual, but and so was she. And we were saying, what do you see? Do you see the light? She's like, yes, the light's getting closer. We're like, is Grandma there? She's like, I can see someone, but I'm not sure who I mean. We have a
full on conversation about what my aunt was seeing when she was transitioning. She let us know that she was hearing music words like they're getting closer. I have to go to the party soon. So I would say in how do you prepare maybe for a death that you know is imminent in coming, it might be a slower death. There are like beautiful rituals and things that you can do. And I also interviewed a really great er doctor, Monica Williams.
I think she's based out of Texas. I could be getting that wrong, but she has active conversations within her community about people actually talking to their family members about what they want before they die. What are their healthcare directives, what are their wishes? And really talking to your parents, like do they have a plot, do they know where they want to be buried? Do they want to be cremated? Do they want music at their funeral?
Do they have a DNR? Like what are their medical wishes and stuff like that. And if the family has an open communication about death and transition, then I would say that the process of it can be really beautiful. You can prepare you know, music, the surroundings, people who are visiting when the person passes, Like, I didn't even know that you could do this
either. It's like you can preserve the body yourself. You can like wait till the coroner comes and gets the body, Like you can wash the person's body. You can have a ceremony with their body there. Some people believe that you shouldn't even cremate or move the body for three days because it still takes the soul three days or more to begin to exit the physical body.
That's why there can be a lot of activity when somebody passes right away in like a couple of days afterwards, Like a lot of paranormal stuff can happen because the soul is still transitioning. So there's there's shamans that work with like hospices and they do something called the death spiral. You can look that up where they help the soul to move because some souls or some people are very afraid to make that transition, and some of us will hang on right because
we're afraid of death. So there's I mean, like I said, my world was open up, and I'm still learning about all this about what you can do to help somebody that is getting ready for transition. But I think when people are of sound mind, now is the time to have those conversations, those tough conversations. You've opened up so many avenues in directions to go.
I don't think we're gonna have enough time to talk about everything that that that we had just come up, things like what you mentioned about the taking three days with the soul to leave the body. I have seen a body after death and you could see there is a difference. There's something missing from the body after when someone dies that you just would assume that the soul has gone. That's what that's what's missing, right, And then something about is
it six is it six ounces? I forgot how much what the weight is that that they've found that somehow they were able to measure when someone dies, they're lighter by six ounces or whatever it is. And and the thought is maybe that's the that's the weight of the soul or something like that. But I'm sure lots of lots of lots of discussions that we could have around that.
But I've got to ask the big burning question, especially because you talked about being there while your loved one was transitioning it and she was telling you
she was seeing what she was experiencing. The big question, because of course you're on the skeptic metaphysician, is what about all of the evidence now, or I would shouldn't say evidence, but the conversations that are being had about the fact that maybe this is just the brain going through the transition process and triggering different things that tricks the person into thinking that they're seeing past this life.
Any thought to maybe this is just a trick of the mind before we pass well, I think there has been a lot of research to show that consciousness is what do they call it, nonlocal, it's not local, that consciousness exists outside of the brain, and I think that's what you're bringing up is the biggest argument that people are trying to prove does this consciousness inside of the brain or does it live outside of the brain, And like remote viewing
in our second documentary to me, shows that consciousness does not exist inside the brain. And I understand some of that evidence of like, oh, maybe it's like a DMT experience that you're having in all these flood of chemicals and
that's what these people are seeing and stuff like that. But when you even study just the basics of remote viewing and your intent is to move your consciousness to a target in a location, and people are getting accurate hits, like our military was using that technique to find prisoners of wars and they found them
and you know, stuff that was in the ocean and you know. So it's like, I think there's enough evidence out there now to show and so many blind studies like Gary Schwartz is another name drop I'll do of that studying that and like psychic phenomenon, and he has really great controlled studies of psychic mediums doing readings on people that they're not even seeing the people and they're able
to access information. So I mean, to me, I don't know, I just I feel like I know that consciousness exists, life of the mind. So it just comes down to, I guess how pragmatic you feel you are, quisite Isaac as a move er, Robert Heinlein or some one of those science fiction Arthur C. Clark, one of those science fiction writers, said that science seem to be magic to those that aren't vanced enough to understand
it. At one point in time, the majority of people believe that the Earth was flat, right, that the Sun revolved around us and things like that. So you never know what could be discovered, and we may never know. And maybe that's the beauty of it, the fact that we're not supposed to know, that we're supposed to find it within ourselves to know internally that this is indeed just a temporary passed through for us, and that there's
our true selves or true lives really are elsewhere. I'm just really impatient and I just need to know. I want to know Nat not by dying, but you know, yeah, I want someone to come back and say, will this is it and this is this is what it is, And I mean not realistically, it's not going to happen, right. You probably you have come the closest because you've explored it quite as thoroughly as you have. But I don't see you having any doubts at all. You truly believe that
there is life after death. Yeah, And I said this on another podcast that I was on. I just think our terminology and our language needs to change around it because we keep using the word death and is there life after death? But it's really a continuation of consciousness. And I think if we began to remove that vocabulary and that language, we would be having different conversations.
But that's what our culture is used to. We want to explain that when that soul, like you said, when you see a dead body, you know that there is something that is shifted and change. It is not in the physical where did it go? But we use the word death to describe that. So I feel like the language and the way that we talk about it would be really great if that can shift. So I would say, I believe that consciousness continues and uses the physical body as a vehicle to
intermingle on earth. So and I would say when that consciousness is done, or the lesson has been learned, or the contract has been signed and sealed and delivered, then the consciousness will leave this physical form and then decide what it's going to do from there and maybe it will re enter into another form. In your experience, what has been the underlying threat? I mean, everyone hears about the white light and the tunnel that people see loved ones at
the end waiting for them to greet them. Has that been consistent in your research or have there been kind of one offs that throw monkey wrenches into those
things? Well, when I interviewed William Buelman, who is an out of body expert, he really helped me to understand this, and he talks a lot about belief systems, and my understanding from people that have access to like more of maybe really what happens and like the council and people who make these decisions or the creator is that it will we see what our belief systems are
at the time of our death. So if I believe I'm going to go to heaven and I'm going to meet my family and then deceased loved ones there, the creator, the consciousness system, the Creator has the intelligence to know what will bring me more peace at that time of transition, so I'm not as fearful, so it will create the heaven that I believe it to be, which might include churches and flowers and clouds and angels and my loved ones.
And so that's been my experience of what I have heard that many times people will see that like people who had near death experiences and had strong religious belief systems, they too have reported that that the Creator had given them something
to bring them comfort, to help them have that experience. But then like when they come back, usually their belief systems are completely smashed too, because they realize that the Creator isn't like we were talking about earlier, neither male nor female, and that there's this tremendous love and there isn't this judgment. And most people may have somewhat of an experience of visuals, you know,
that they come back and they tell the story. But I've talked to so many people that said it was kind of like this void of nothingness and everything all at the same time, and no one seems to have a word in the English language to really describe what they felt. But they try to come back talking about this love and this acceptance of this grand being that they come
in contact with. And that is also a consistent theme. Right, most people say there aren't words in the human language to describe what I saw and what I felt, So that would be my answer to that, Well, it's lovely and if indeed this is where we go and who our creator is, it's an amazing, loving, wonderful thought that I welcome wholeheartedly and every day try to get my consciousness to align with So having you on the show
to remind me and the audience of that has been outstanding. I didn't know what to expect out of this interview, but it's gone so far beyond what I had hoped for, So I really truly appreciate your coming on and talking to us about this. The time has gone by so fast, I don't even know how long I can continue talking with you, not just the topic itself, but the way you expressed it, the way your demeanor, your energy coming through. For those that are only listening, we are seeing each
other on camera, so we connect better during the interview. But it's really coming through from a really beautiful place, and it's really wonderful, and I really hope that it comes through on the audio, because for it not to would be a true shame for those who are listening in. I would love at some point maybe to pick up the conversation again later on. But before we go any further, how can someone access or get in touch with you
or path eleven? Where can someone find your app eleven TV product? How does that work? I would say the easiest would be to go to pathelevntv dot com and I want to give a kind of a code to your listeners. They can use podcasts thirty to get thirty percent off a subscription. We
offer a monthly subscription or an annual subscription. The feedback that we've gotten from subscribers is they love the annual subscription because they can take their time, they can go through things, they don't have to worry about the monthly renewal. But podcast thirty is going to give everybody thirty percent off. So that's the videos, right. We have the Path eleven podcast videos. So when I
do podcasting, we have a video version and an audio version. So I've interviewed I think I don't know, over three hundred and fifty people so far. We have over three hundred and fifty episodes. So we have a whole library and bank there of people they can just throw in keywords and get some free stuff there listening to the podcast that's Path eleven podcast dot com. And yeah, and then our production company is just Path eleven Productions. I do
some guided meditations and recordings on there. You can rent the trilogy series if you'd like, and well, I'd love to come back on. I'll go ahead and give you access to watch the films and there's no rush, and you can have me on a couple of times if your listeners like me and they want to hear some more, we can talk about you know, the documentary is because there's some really cool stuff on there too, and it might
answer some more of your questions. So April, I will absolutely take you up on that because if for nothing else, I'm unbelievably excited about the prospect. So yeah, for sure, we'll definitely connect offline. Oh I thank you very much for coming on and sharing of your stories with our listeners. Thank you so much, and I want to sincerely thank you as well.
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