Karen, what we have got a love story in our hands today. Ooh, I like that. I love story. I thought you'd like it. Yep, but may not be exactly what you think. Well, as song
as it's all about love, I'm good it is all about love. Well, for all these years of doing the show and all the interviews we've done about life after death, connecting with loved ones on the other side, and your death experiences, I'd say you and I don't really have any doubts that there's lots more to this world than meets the eye, right, I would agree. Well, I'd also say that's really nice to know that our loved ones are here with us, ready to help us anytime we need them to.
But although there might be on the other side, right, m hm. Remember that old movie with Demi Moore and Patrick Swayze, Ghost Ghost? What if they could have kept that love going even after Patrick had died? Well, I mean it sounds great. There might be some challenges. Well, do you think it's possible for us to continue relationships we have on this side with those that have passed over to the other side. I think we can. I think they might have to change a little bit. Yeah,
well, this one might just change your perspective on everlasting love. All right. My name is Will and I'm Karen, and unlike moulderin Scully, both want to believe. So we've embarked in a journey of discovery. We've talked to people deeply entrenched in the spiritual and metaphysical world. We've thrown ourselves into
weird and wonderful experiences. I even joined a coven of witches and wait, you joined a coven yep, all on the interest of finding something, anything, that will prove that there's something beyond this physical, three dimensional world we all live in. This is the skeptic metaphysicians. Welcome to the skeptic metaphysicians. I'm Will and I'm Scarings, and today's topic is quite the intriguing one,
you see. Pam Johnson is an inspirational speaker, author, and a chandler who lives in Honolulu, Hawaii, where she met her husband Alan during his first visit to the Islands in nineteen ninety. Now. Alan was a natural born medium who had contact with the spirit world from early childhood until he passed away in August of twenty twenty. A sad story for most but not for Pam and Allen, because you see Alan return to Pam from beyond and
they've continued their loving relationships from across the Vale. And now Pam and Allen teach direct spirit communication through private lessons and their group coaching program, the Supernatural Love Academy, and she's here with us today to talk to us about soulmates in the afterlife. She says that interdimensional relationships are actually on the rise, and I couldn't be more thrilled to welcome Pam Johnson to the show. Pam,
thanks much for coming on. Hey, thanks for having me. I'm so excited to be here and talk about this because yes, it's for real, it's happening. And I myself was shocked when people started reaching out to me after I shared my story wrote our book, and I didn't know. I thought, well, maybe I'm just an outlier, right, Like it's just me because my husband's a medium, I'm an intuitive. Maybe that's it,
right. But lo and behold, they're ordinary people from all blocks of life, even Christian fundamentalists who are shocked when their loved ones start to reach out and say, hey, I'm here and I want to continue. And then they just think you know, they're losing their mind, right because who's talking about this? You know, nobody's talking about it. So I think
we're one of the few voices out there talking about it. So I'm so thrilled that you're having us here because we just cannot stop talking about it, because I mean, I can't think of anything more you know, hopeful and inspiring than that. You know that our loved ones are not lost to us, and we can continue our relationship, and they're here to support us and help us doing what I think all of us would agree our very challenging times. You know, of course, the spirit world does step it up when
the world is going through crisis. They began doing that at the twentieth century, you know, before World War One and World War Two. That's when all the phenomenon happened. You know. The thing is fox sisters and the wraps and taps on the walls that started. Well, that that is really what it's about. I've heard mediums say the same thing. The spirit world
was reaching out to us. We weren't the ones knocking on their door, you know, they were literally knocking our door saying we're here to help you. We're here, we love you, And I think they're just getting louder apparently because I keep hearing of people having contact and we're just here to support them, which is why we started teaching live on YouTube. I decided to kind of carve my own path because nobody's talking about it, so I go, well, I'm going to talk about it. You know, I'm going
to get on YouTube and talk about it. And so people are starting to find us sand and yeah say yeah, me too, this is me too. There's a lot to talk about there. Where do we start? But really quickly before Karen asked her first questionse I know she's chomping at the bit. You keep talking about welcoming you in the plural sense. Does that mean that Alan is here with us right now? Oh? Yeah, he's You know, this is the thing, guys, they're all here. There's nowhere
to go. The afterlife isn't some far away place right like a distant star. I mean, reality isn't folded upon itself, So it's just another dimension that we can't see right with our physical eye. But guess what, we can hear them, We can communicate, They can energetically even say touch us, like give us tingles or chills, and I have people that have I have people that have physical contact with their loved one. You know, there's
so many degrees. This was fascinating and I'm trying to study this, you know, with the people that I'm meeting, that we work with, and it's send me across the board, like I mean, actual physical contact, but mostly it's it's kind of subtle, but definitely communication, definitely messages, definitely, you know, across the board there's there's contact of all kinds. And I think we're just scratching the surface and beginning to hear about this because
again, people are not comfortable talking about it. They think they're going to be ridiculed or not believed or told that they're wrong or crazy. Right, And and to me, this is what this is is at a similar place as where near death experiences were before they became more accepted, you know, where people who had those nds, some of them were institutionalized. Like one of my friends, his mother was locked up and that drove her crazy.
It wasn't her NDE, it was because she wasn't believed and she was thought to be nuts, so she got locked up made her worse. I mean she really did go crazy. So this is what we're dealing with. But fortunately because of NDEs, you know, people are a little more open minded, like, Okay, well, maybe you know, the after life is real, right, maybe these people talking about going through the veil and coming
back, you know, maybe that's real. So but still when I talk to the spiritual community, a lot of them just kind of go, oh yeah, okay, Like I go, wait a minute, I'm saying that they're still here and they're not earth bound, they're not you know, hallucinations. They're here and they're helping people. They're healing people, they're giving them guidance, they're healing their grief, you know. I mean, I don't get it. I don't get why people who are in you know, the
new wage community aren't taking it seriously. But my husband from the other side, says it's because they haven't lost someone. So people don't tend to really go into this unless they are grieving, because they just go, oh yeah, okay, fine. They don't have any you know, anything to connect with it. They don't really completely accept it. They just tolerate it.
And in fact, I've gotten a lot of push back from mediums. In fact, the people in my community that go to mediums telling them that they've had these experiences. Then they're either told, well, your partner's obviously earth bound or you know, you have to let them go and they're going to bring you somebody, somebody new, and this is not what the person wants. They're like, no, I k napping this conjec and I want to
continue. And then they some of them are devastated because they are thinking that, well, maybe my partner doesn't want me to continue, right, maybe they want me to move on. And can you imagine a worst thing to tell somebody in grief, Oh, your husband wants you to move on? Like what are you saying? He doesn't love me anymore? Like he just wants me to go go to Tinder or something like what are you talking about?
I mean, is there a tender for the afterlife? Because probably I'm sure there's everything, right, all the profiles that wants there you go go multi dimensional? Right, So what was your first contact with her husband? Like, like, how did you know it was him? I knew it was him. I wasn't expecting even though he was a medium and we never talked about it. He didn't like to talk about death and and so when he crossed, I just thought, I really just thought, oh, well
that's I mean. I he's a medium, I'm a channeler. And there occurred to me. But I started hearing him talk to me. And I have a friend who's very clearvoyant. She can see spirit, and she could see him and talk to him. And because she sees others like it is. Do you know that the parent the irony here is that was the first movie he and I saw together. Oh wait, talk about shadowing, right.
I couldn't I swear it sounds too corny. That was the first movie we saw together after we met because he I met him in Hawaii and we went to a movie in a local theater and it was playing at that time, and so and so when he came back, he said, yeah, we're like the movie Ghost, except that Patrick stayed and continued the relationship to me too. No, I don't do that. Although he was an artist,
he was a pater. I've got lots of questions about this because all kinds of things pop the mind, right, questions about people who really have a hard time breaking up with others and think, oh finally I'm freeing. Oh my gosh, no, I'm not right. But but but the really we talk about continuing relationships. To me, a relationship is one that you're there for each other emotionally all that kind of, but also you're also there
for each other physically. So how does that work with this interdimensional relationship that you So there's there's all kinds of expansions people are having. Okay, so it's all unique to the person the couple. What I have discovered through teaching this is that there's there's two parties obviously to any relationship, right, and so there's them in the spirit world. Some of the spirits are stronger in
their ability to come through and make contact, even physical contact. Some of them, you know, they're learning, so it's more subtle, but the learning continues, like they get stronger. I've seen that with some of our students, like the loved one is getting stronger and stronger. But then we are the other half of the equation. It's not like this is a passive experience. We have to develop spiritually. In other words, it's not about
really becoming psychic, because you know, we're all born psychic. It's not about that. It's really about letting go of your negative beliefs, right, your fears, your trauma, because that keeps your vibration kind of low. And when they cross over, they're at this higher vibe. You know, they're not perfect because they're still growing and learning and evolving, but they're higher
than we are because they drop their ego. So we have to kind of rise up to meet them halfway because they can only come down so far. And so what we teach is I help people just shed their limiting beliefs, and we do a lot of healing in our academy and and basically I just teach them these principles that I've learned for thirty seven years in this you know, in this field because I've always been an interestant healing and spiritual counseling and
all that. But it's about that evolving as a soul, you know, just letting go of your fault, your identity, idea of who you are right that a lot of times has just taken on other people's beliefs, like your parents told you you're this way, or society tells you this way. It's like letting that go and finding out who am I really as a soul? What am I here for? So to me, this is a spiritual
journey. This is why I tell people if you want to connect with them and have an ongoing relationship, don't mean just one time connection, which some people can have, but have an ongoing connection. You have to develop yourself. So as far as the physical content you're talking about with me and Alan, I feel this. I can't explain it. It's this love that is
like wrapped around me all the time, and I just feel this. It's like this pulsing and it's not it's it's it's not sexual per se, but it's more like this warmth, you know, this like this, And I've heard other of my students say similar things, but some of them actually have physical contact. When woman does to the point where she can't sleep at night because her husband is so happy that he can come through, and she's spiritually
very open and more developed, let's say, than the average person. So so I think I told her, I think this is why she can connect with him like me and him halfway. So so it's like I told her, we're going to have to talk to your husband and set them boundaries served because exactly exactly, I mean people in my academy when we were talking about this in our meeting, right, several of our members, a women members
said, well, can you tell him to talk to my husband? Oh my gosh, like, could you just go have him talk to him? His name is? You know? Like that. It was so funny. But my husband says, yeah, they're all at different levels and they can certainly can learn to do something like that. But even if they can't, I have people who can like feel their partner kind of cuddling them energetically,
you know, feeling that connection. And let's just say, even if they're not in a three D body, most of us would say I'll take that then rather than thinking I'm alone and having therefore like no contact. You know. And this is not for everybody, granted, but for some, for some of these men and women, because I have been in women in my group, you know, it's for them. They're all in. It's like this person was my person. I don't want anybody else. I at least
want to see where this goes. I would say, you know, admittedly, people have to learn to be independent, especially women, you know, you have to learn to be independent. But I don't feel lonely like at all. I mean, I'm actually happier now in my marriage than I was when Alan was in a body because his ego was really in the way. Yeah, this laundry don't have to Yeah, I don't have to argue about anything. No, he's just he's just here in in a fuller way,
like and he advises me about things. He's never wrong, like unlike when he was in a body, said he was wrong, he would he would have said he was never wrong, but that would be wrong, right, But it's it's phenomenal. And he says to me because because he wasn't and he was a spiritual teacher. He says that we contracted to do this, and that was why I've always been interested in spirituality and in you know, becoming more embodying your soul more, you know, just evolving as fully as
can be. I've always been passionate about that for thirty some years. So it's just he says, we're here to help with the ascension, and this whole experience is helping other people. We're near people in their own ascension process, and the more of us you're doing this, we're making it easier for other people to have contact, you know, because we're all really one. So we're not affecting each other, aren't we? Like, it's just contagious,
right, It's like as to expand our consciousness. So what would you say to people? Because you hear from time to time people that have lost a loved one, you know, spouse, and they're desperate for some sort of sign And no matter what they do, how much they pray, meditate, look for it, they don't see it at all. What's going on there? Well, if they are you and their grief. The challenge is that grief can create like an obstacle or static. It depends the depth of
grief. So however, some spirits are so strong they can overpower that, but that takes a lot of energy, and in their early days of their passing they have more residual earth energy is what I call it, to make contact, but that fades as they fully transition. So if somebody isn't getting signs, I'd say, first you know, it's probably their grief. They just may have to give it time. There are people who get signs right away, and again it could be the loved one in spirit is just really
strong. It could be the person's grief is not that dense. But if time and time, they can still make contact, you know, it just might take a little while. So it's it varies. But I tell people just you know, don't give up, just keep look asking for signs, keep looking. I think that a lot of times people are getting signs, but they're so distracted, especially in the world we live in right now where
all their you know, phones and technology. Right people are just walking around looking at their phone like you're not miss you're missing the sign, you know. But it can happen. So I would say, don't give up, hope and keep you know, keep observing, keep asking, and keep be hopeful. Yeah, now do you think it might be? And I don't know. I'm just strictly asking for your opinion. A little bit selfish of these spirits who have gone on to kind of want to come back and maintain
these relationships. Because if someone is, you know, young and say they want to have kids, and then their spouse passes and now he's coming back and he's like, no, we're still together, and she's like, well, yeah, I mean right before you answer it, we've got we've got to take a quick break. That's a great question, the great question to leave everybody hanging on. So I want to keep that going through this break.
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Skeptic Metapositions. We're talking to Pam Johnson and I would say Alan Johnson as well. We are talking about love affairs beyond the grave, and that sounds pretty weird, but I'm not talking about anything weird. It's like we're continuing relationships interdimensionally. When someone passes, crosses the veil, still finding a way to remain in a relationship with someone who has. Pam and Alan have done just that and are currently doing right now, and they're teaching others how to
do this as well. And right before the break, Karen had the world's best question, because I didn't think she was going to go there, but I'm glad that she did. Karen, can you re ask the question, Oh my gosh, see if I remember exactly well, So my question was, essentially, is it a little bit selfish of the people that have passed on to want to hold on to a relationship with someone on the earth who
might still have other things they would want to experience. Like if they're young and they've never had a child, they want to maybe remarry and have a child. So how does that work, Like what if the husband is I'm still here and then she has the grief, so she wants to kind of stay with that but also be able to carry on her life. Well, that's a good question, and I can say it's the Well, in the case of women, okay, we'll say women, since you can talk about
children. I have women who have children with their partner who passed, okay, and that partner wants to continue to be a parent through the veil. And in fact, this has been written about in other books where the spirit does want to be involved. But if the woman or the man is younger, I mean, that's a different thing, and it's not I don't know.
I mean, they may not come back me, you know, because it has to be an agreement obviously between the two souls, you know, and ultimately they just want us to be happy, so it you know, it's I don't feel as being selfish. I don't think that they're going to kind of come through and say, hey, I want to be here if they know that their partner is only twenty one and they want to have children,
and obviously the husband can't you know, do that. In that case, I really doubt that their loved one is going to, you know, insist on that. But the thing that I get upset about is when mediums tell somebody like that, right, they just lost their husband and yes they're young, and they'll say, well, do he wants to bring you somebody
new? And like, that's the wrong thing to tell anybody, you know, even if the loved one in spirit wants to do that, there's no need for a medium to break this loved one's heart right saying your husband wants you to move on. Nobody nobody wants to hear that, do they right? But yeah, I don't think it's being selfish that they wouldn't. They wouldn't do that, Okay, So then it's it's not like an automatic thing. It's like they come to you and ask you all over again, Hey,
do you want to go steady again? I want to date my husband did come back and propose marriage to me again? Because well, We got married again in front on Zoom with Mark some of my Facebook group members I think about twenty people. And he proposed to me through my medium friend I wrote about it in her book and how he proposed to me. And he made he made a ring for me, actually have it on. He made a ring, meaning like she she wove it out of silver, this ring
and you can see it. It's a silver ring. And she rote rove it out of sterling silver and she her arm got red hot and she could feel she can feel the angel. So she said, Alan was chanting some angelic language and he was. She was wrapping this ring, and it's it's amazing. So I wear this ring almost all the time because it literally was made by an angel, my girlfriend who basically was, you know, chanelling Alan. So they can do things like that. Yes, I have other
friends who had these interdimensional second weddings. You know, I mean somebody, somebody should should go into business and do this. You know, I really have a serious destination wedding. Oh absolutely right, Like wow, this is so this is so interesting. I've not I will be honest, I've not heard of this ever. This is the first time I'm hearing of this so and it's it's I mean, it makes so much sense that like when I die, Karen, you are stuck with me, right, I'm still I'm
living. I am what I am? Not young, hottie? What are you talking about? Are you? When they cross over, they're they're eternally young. Like my husband comes through and he looks younger than when he was in a body. And if I can see it to my friends, oh that's a good question. Can you see Ellen? I can see Alan clairvoyantly in my mind's eye. I mean I know if I tune in, I see what he's doing and it just makes me laugh and go, what are
you doing? Like what he's wearing or what is facial expression? And there's I understand now that clairvoyance. You know, there's many ranges of it. It's not like three D obviously, right, It's it's holographic. Uh, they look kind of transparent. It can be a flash in your mind of like you get a visual you know, Like that's what happens a lot with me. And I'm seeing him more and more, but I do see his face and sometimes it changes. And of course I have medium friends, Like
I said, who are clair whyant? They can see him, like see him and talk to him. So there's there's like levels you know that we can and we're always evolving, is what I'm finding, at least for me and my students, and we're getting stronger in our ability. It's not like you reach a ceiling on any of this. You know you can always develop further. So this puts yeah, the whole thought of uh, he's when people say I'm sorry for your loss or something like that and you say,
no, he's still here with us today. That brings us to his whole other level. Did your friends who made me aren't in this world? Your family? Are they supportive in this or do they think you've gone off the dbend? Well, you have to remember I've been in this field for thirty seven years, so my parents have passed. But my parents knew what My
mom was my biggest fan because my grandmother was a psychic medium. I didn't know this until I opened up and started to feel and see things because I had lived a very ordinary life and I had no sense of the other side
until I started the channel and then I started to become more telepathic. And then my mother said, oh, yeah, your grandmother was a psychic medium, and she used to do readings in hanapepekow Why before World War two because she was a picture bribe from Japan and she was you know, you got to be a pretty tough cookie to come over the Pacific Ocean and marry some stranger, right, and to start a family. And she was a psychic. So so when I opened up my mom, my mom said her mother
came to her and said, don't worry about Pam. She's just like me. She'll be okay. So my mother from then on was like, oh, you're good, like you'll be fine, and she trusted my opinion about everything because because her mother told her. So, Look, did I answer your question? You did? So were any of your family members at the like, any of your family members that have passed on like you grandmother? Oh? Well probably, But at the Zoom wedding, our son was there.
You know, our son, our son is very psychic, and he talks to his dad and has called out to him for help and received it. So so I'm I'm fortunate. Everyone around me, they just know they they'll go house Allen, or they'll even say yeah, I kind of talked to him the other day. He showed up when I was doing that. So it's very normal for us, and that's just how we live like we we live like kis here cause he's here and sometimes he's just more involved than
others. But he's always around and my son calls on him again, like when he needs him and gets advice. I want to live in your world, I know, I do. I want to live in your world. This sounds so much nicer than ours, right when people are just people are just accepting and loving, and I mean, I think it's wonderful. I don't know that I am ready for that. Having all that said and done, it sounds wonderful. I just don't know if I'm ready for it because
other than coming back and haunting Karen the rest of our life. But I'd love to go back to the original question, which was I haven't heard about this ever? Why do you think that is? Why do more people not talk about them? I mean, there's gotta be a lot of people having these relationships, right, yeah, and they find me. I can't.
I've lost track of the other people because we published our book. This Valentine's Day, only two days from now, will mark a year since our book came out, and since our book came out and I've been we're talking about this and you know, getting noticed and all that. You know, people are reaching out to me and saying I've had this experience too, and with some of them which with much more profound experiences, you know, contact,
and they don't have me to talk to about it. So I believe it's because even like I said, even the mediums and the spiritual community, they don't know what to think of it. They just because if it doesn't happen to you, you just think, well that's maybe that person's just you know, imagining it. But you know, you can't imagine this stuff like because if you could, then everybody would imagine that they feel this love and that
they have this contact, because isn't that what everybody wants? You would think that, right if everybody's grieving would go, but I want my to feel my husband hugging me or something. But they don't. You know, partly it's because they don't believe, and your beliefs create your reality as partly you must understand, and partly because you'd freak out if someone started reaching out to
you like me. But but like I told you, I've had somebody in my group who was a Christian okay, didn't believe in any of this stuff, and was shocked when she felt her husband touching her and wanting to connect, like physically wanting to make love with her. And she said, I really thought I was losing my mind, and then I heard about you.
I've had people tell me they go online to find out about this and they can't find anything, but somehow they find me because there are people now talking about us, like on Facebook a lot, because I have a Facebook group for partners and spouses, and so they're talking about it right in these groups, and they're starting to hear about it. And if you actually go on
Facebook, you'll see that there actually are some interdimensional couples groups. They're kind of here and there, and so it is being talked about, but it's very, you know, kind of behind the scenes, like it's not really out there. And I really think that mediums don't even understand this. Because one of the most famous meetings, if I said his name, you would
know it. He told one of my members who he happened to read during some open reading thing right they have online, and she was selected, well, is herself a medium and she's having contact with her husband, so she was surprised to get called, but she's a big fan of this medium, and he proceeded to tell her that, oh, well, you have to let your husband go. You know, you're holding him back and basically telling her that, you know, he wasn't really here with her. And she
was like so shocked. And she came to me for a reading and I said, are you joking? I said, your husband's like, oh, like over, You're all over me. She goes, well, that's what I thought, you know. So she was really disheartened because she didn't expect that. And then I heard my husband say, that's how a lot of mediums are taught to say that you need to let the dead go, that life is for the living, and you're holding them back and you can't continue
their relationship. You know, it would be dysfunctional. And admittedly maybe for some people it might be. I don't know, it depends on the relationship. But but what I've seen, the people I've seen, and I have about two hundred members in my academy at this point, I don't see anybody that has a dysfunctional relationship. You know, what happens is the partner oftentimes wants to come through because they recognize that they didn't love as well as they
could have, that they missed the mark. My husband did. He said, I fail to be the husband that you really needed, and I want to make that up to you. I want to support you. And besides, we agreed to do this work together. But that aside, he said, I want you to feel the love that I couldn't give you because my ego was in the way and I just couldn't be all that I am until I died. So he said to me, Pam, is it better that I'm dead. Let me have this marriage now that I'm dead, because I'm
more who I am? And I said yeah, because I was frustrated through our marriage because I knew that he wasn't fully himself, you know. But I couldn't get him to come alive, you know, I couldn't get him to snap out of this low grade depression or whatever it was that he was dealing with. He and he says, a lot of men are like that, women too. I'm not saying picking on men, but you know, my husband always, you know, would say, because he was a psychic
counselor reader for thirty some odd years. You know, say, if if men got their act together, I would be out of a job. Because he's to say that all the time, because of course most of the clients are women. So and again he's not picking on men, but you know, men because of our egos. You know, it's just had challenging right, So relationships are challenging that matter. But I've got to ask a question.
And it's not the only reason why I'm asking this question is because our audience is going to be wondering and asking me to ask you this question. I could feel the energy coming through already, right, What would you say to people that believe that, like you just mentioned, your husband missed the mark while he was here, and yet now he is a much better husban
after he's passed. There might be people who would say, well, wonder if this is just wish fulfillment, Like he wasn't as good now, so now you're kind of imagining that your husband is back in a better form. What would you say to people that would would claim that that perhaps is what's happening. Well, first of all, if you're having these experiences in spite of your cause, it's normal to doubt and I did. I doubted things, but there was so much proof that started happening, things like like my
phone. Like I'd be lying in bed, not able to sleep. My phone would be, you know, on my bedside table, face down, and all of a sudden I get a call and I look and it's my friend who lives in Kentucky. I'm in Honolulu. So it's you know, a big time difference, right. She goes, did you just call me? And I go, what are you talking about? She's on her message to text, you know, she said, did you call me? I go, no, I and she says, you just called me? What
are you talking about? He had called her on my phone with my phone, all right, and because I was lying there and I was upset about something, and she she's a medium, so she said, okay. He's saying I'm half a sleep, but he's saying, not to worry about it. You and I pat you and I will talk about tomorrow. I'll talk to him. I'll talk to you tomorrow. But he says, not to worry about it, and look at your phone. And I looked and my phone did call. I didn't touch it, but you know, it shows
right that you called out. He called it rang for exactly one minute and that was it, and she didn't pick it up in time because she was waking up. So I've had that and so many other experiences like I was on a zoom call and I started I started connecting with him and we're talking about something actually, something about supernatural sex we talk about in our book. And I'm talking like I'm talking to you right, and you know this. I don't have a virtual screen. This is my living room. This was
my screen, right, I'm talking with four other people. All of a sudden, as we're talking about supernatural sex, this fireworks went off by fire virtual fireworks a video. Okay, I don't have a fireworks video on my computer. I didn't have a virtual screen going. I had this a real life living room behind me, right. So everybody was like, oh my god, I've had those kind of things over and over come on. I can't make that up. And I've been in this business for too long.
You cannot imagine this, you know, it's just not possible. They're sending songs to people like like he would wake up my friend, my same friend and go, it's mother's dad. I want you to get want you to find songs to give to PIM and then she'd go look for songs and she'd say, Okay, he wants you to have this song and that song. They're doing all kinds of things. This is real and the people are having the experiences. Know it, Okay, you can't just make it up.
I trust me. I know people that want to have this, Okay, if you're talking about wish fulfillment and they're not getting it because, like I said, the other side has to learn how to come through and they have to believe. So it's not just that because otherwise everybody'd be having this. Okay, more people be having it, but they're not because you have to at least be open to the idea and the love one on the other side
has to learn how to project. And yeah, Alice says, they're not going to really try to learn if we're not open, because what's the point. The person in a body just could be freaked out, right, like what the heck is that you know? And they know that they can tell, so they don't want to upset anybody. But if they feel that they're open to it, and if maybe this was part of the sole plan,
you know, because as you probably know. People make soul plans before they come, so I think for a lot of these people that was part of their pre birth plan. Yes, I'm going to leave early. Especially with these couples like have children, the father does come through and say I want to still be a parent to my sons or and my daughters, you know,
I want to still be involved. And I've worked with people. I've worked with a teenager whose mother is a good friend of mine and she had a session with me, and the daughter is very psychic, and the father had just died of als and she could feel him and I led her through connecting to him, because that's one of the sessions I do. I help people make direct contact, you know, on a one on one session, and she connected with her dad and she said, I know he's always going
to be with me. I can talk to him, I hear him. And so her grief is not what somebody else would feel, right because she knows that her dad's always going to be a round her and she has access to him, and so she was fine, like after that losing her she hasn't lost her death. And it's it's very healing, you know, for people to have this and so yeah, I think you're going to hear more of it as people start to come forward and say, yummy too, I
had that. I had, that happened to me. Now you get the Supernatural Academy, which you train people how to connect with their loved ones across the veil and have these relationships with them and things like that. Is it
strictly for romantic relationships or can you anybody can join? I have actually people, I would say ten percent maybe of people in my academy are spiritual seekers because I've been I've been in this business for thirty seven years and I had I teach reiki, I've taught psychic development, so I have a lot of clients students Allen did too. So I have several people in our academy who still have loved ones who are still here, a partner's still here. So
they just want to evolve, they grow spiritually. And some of them even tell me, I'm so happy I'm in this academy because if my husband or wife dies, I'll be good to go, like I'll know how to connect, like I'm not afraid to death, you know. I had several people tell me that, So it's really for anyone who's interested in really spiritually evolving, you know, because this is what I'm actually teaching. It's not just
psychic development. They have to I'm helping them let go of their limiting beliefs. So I do healing, healings in the in the sessions too, tell people with physical and issues as well as spiritual because my interest has always been healing as well as you know, spiritual development. Earlier on, you mentioned the book that you wrote. Yeah, you so you wrote it along with Alan, and you called it Supernatural Love, a True Story of Life and
Love after Death. That is a very intriguing title. That's really pretty easy. So you mentioned that Alan wrote it with you, and then you also said in our pre interview communications that Alan and you work to train people how to do these things. Alan on one side, do you on the other Does that mean that he on the other side helps others that have passed connect with the physical ones that are here. Yes. We've actually had two students
who went to mediums who were told by the medium. Oh, I see that you're in a class, but you know what, so is your husband At the same time, what's kind of like, what's with that? And so they've got confirmation that their loved ones are a meeting in the spirit world at the same time with Alan, you know, and and learning you're like alongside of us at least that's that's what he says. So so cool.
I know he told me this when he first came back to me. He says, I'm going to help spirits on the other side come through the veil because they need help. And I said, really, I had I didn't
know that. I thought he was making it up. He goes now, and he led me to a book and unfortuately, I can't remember the book and a look book that I had, and I looked on the page and this meeting was saying, yes, there are spirits on the other side who help other spirits learn how to project themselves through the veil because a lot of them don't know how to do that, but they want to learn, right, And so he says, see, I told you, I can't wait
to watch the TV show. You know, someone's writing it up right now. That's been incredible. That's we could call it Supernatural Ghost Training School or something like that. That's really that's a terrible title, though it's a working title. Okay, give me time. Working title, maybe maybe a bad working title. But how about the Supernatural Love Academy. Well, yeah,
well has no boundaries, right right. I think I might have heard that before somewhere I'm not gonna have all right, So this is this is amazing and something I hope that more and more people hear about because love doesn't have to end with death. And that's that's the underlying story here that people aren't really paying attention. Karen and I talk about all the time about you know, life after life, we'll find each other. Well, we never have
to lose each other, Karen. We're going to be connected forever. Actually, haven't. You can't lose each other. That's the thing that we're trying to get across. You can't lose anyone because the connections you have, the love you share that's eternal you build, those bonds are never severed. And
I really think what's happening is the result of humanity's consciousness is rising. Although you might think it's all going you know, to help, right, right, But really what's happening is we're rising up and so and so more people are becoming more sensitive and the other side is getting stronger and so I think you're going to hear about more interaction. That's what Allen said, because the other side really wants to come through and there concerned about us, and the
other side has always been involved in humankind's development. That's why people get inspired ideas and inventions, et cetera. It's not like we're so smart. Come on, we're not. You know, we just know what we already know. Right. The brain only regurgitates the inspired thought comes from the other side, and the other side has always been downloading us with new insights when we're ready, and certain people will take action and some won't write. So I
think that's what we're seeing playing out. And I predict in about a year that you're going to hear more of this and people will speak up. And I hope so because it will alleviate a lot of grief for people, and you know, and help them grow spiritually, because our loved ones want to help us become all that we are, because they are now all that they really are, and so they say, you know, the ultimate thing is to be who you really they are while you're still in a body and not
have to wait to die to wake up. And also will now you know you can run, but you can't. Well, something just occurred to me, someone like Liz Taylor who had like seventeen husbands and walked away, like are they are they like a supernatural lovemorate? I know she could have a harem over there right on right? It does not sound so bad. I mean, you know that sends polyamory to a whole new level. That's amazing.
Well, Pam, if someone wanted to reach out or become part of the academy, or join your Facebook group, or wanted to know more about all this, what's the best way for someone to reach out to you? Okay, well, you know you's go to our website, Supernaturallove dot com.
You know, easy to remember, Supernatural Love with two l's. But what I really would like people to do is come look us up on YouTube because we are teaching live on YouTube now every Saturday, and our channel is Supernatural Love with Pam and Allan Johnson and my YouTube panel is at Pamela Johnson. So you have no excuse not to find us. And we decided since nobody's talking about this right that we're going to take it to the world and
get on YouTube. So we just started our first live stream this past Saturday. I was teaching live in my group. But again it's for partners and spouses, right, so it's not for everybody. It's private. And Alice said, you got to start talking to the world because nobody's hearing about this, you know. So I said, all right, I'm ready, gulp, you know, and so I'm We're taking it to YouTube, and we did it last week. Had a blast. You know. We had a
lot of our members there in the chat and they were loving it. And so they're say, I'm going to go back and watch this video over and over because I'd led them to how to simple steps to do communication. I do a lot of I'm into practical how to things and that's what we did, you know, on our channel, and I do meditations and everything. So but if you want to go deeper, need more support and really interact with me, because I'll interact with them. We'll do like many readings with
people, coaching, you know, with people. That's in our academy. So at the academy you can find it on our website. But if you want to just experience what we do, get a taste of it, go to our YouTube channel. Okay, and that would be that sounds. We're going to add direct links to your YouTube channel, to your website to all
that stuff directly on our show notes. So if you want to go to Skeptic Metaphysition dot com, go to Pam's episode page, you're going to see all those links laid in there directly, so it's easy for you to find them one stop shop. Pam. This has been fascinating. It has been an absolute pleasure. You are a love, you are a joy to be surrounded with, and it's got to be the love that you have with Alan
that's kind of shining through. So my head is off to you. Thank you for helping to share this message, which is so important because this could truly revolutionize how we see love and life after love. I hope. So my husband said he wanted to prove that we're immortal. That was a small little goal, right, I just want to prove to the world that we're really immortal. Oh yeah, that's it. That's just a little throwaway goal.
Yeah, just one day's work. That's all right. Well, we hope that we've done just one step closer to make that goal happen for Alan. So once again, thank you so much for coming on. Please give Alan our best and we hope we see you again soon. And a huge thank you to you. We know that there are tons of options out there and having you decide to come along on our journey of discovery with us is
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