¶ Introducing BC Collective
Welcome to the Site . Visit Podcast Leadership and perspective from construction with your host , James Faulkner .
Recorded live from the show floor at BuildX Vancouver 2025 .
Alright , Mr Chris Hill , how are you doing today ? I'm doing great BC Collective . Yep . I got a question for you . How'd you come up with the name ?
B Collective is actually a merger of four companies , so B Collective .
B Collective . Oh yeah , you know what Do ?
people say that a lot , every single person that's ever said it says BC Collective . But why is that ? Is it because the C is right next to the B and it's capitalized ? I don't know .
Sometimes we played with extending it and maybe do you know what's something , though I , because I used to do naming my old job and people kind of like , see things like the word collective . Collective sounds like something governmental , as in like it's like a you know ? Uh , what do you call that ? A consortium of like groups , a collective ?
Um , because you hear words like collective bargaining . Yep , okay , so be collective . Was that's not the intention at all , right ? So what is the ? What was the sort of ?
I mean it's not far off that probably lose the like governance and snobbiness of that , but it was for four companies . Well , three companies coming together um to do good and okay and be collective . So we were sort of we wanted to collaborate together . So what were those three silos then uh , we had a .
It was myself uh focused on high performance custom homes , um , and that progressive area with , also with an accounting designation . Yeah , uh , john van dargen was running a good construction company , similar size , um , but he was really uh into business development , uh , growing his business , the marketing side of it , yeah . And then dax is
¶ The Off-Site Construction Model Explained
uh was our director of construction and really focused on the execution of work and he'd be our skilled trade . Okay , cool piece of it , yeah so it was a group that we thought we could come together and really it'd free me up to go expand our company into different areas . I see .
Alright , so let's just talk about this . So the term off-site construction , so also known as aka prefab-ish kind of stuff , so are you manufacturing this stuff ? We are Okay , and you were saying you have an office near Science World . That's not where you're making the stuff too , is it ?
No , that's actually where we have a small shop .
Okay , cool . So whereabouts is that it's ?
literally like Science World main and terminal or Kitty Quarter . There's a small industrial area there . Yeah , this is an old steel building , 6,000 square feet , 7,000 square foot yard that we've got a nice little lease on . Yeah . And we're able to manufacture there .
Like behind the Mr Lube there .
Yeah . Yeah , you're right on point . There's a bunch of RVs around us . Yeah , okay .
We're right in there , okay , cool , yeah , okay . So you guys are . So what are you making in in in your manufacturing facility that you're getting ready , like the off-site materials and components ?
so you're basically lego-izing construction as much as possible yeah , that'd be the dream I , I think , in truth , what we're doing , I mean , everything's custom still , uh , every part that rolls through there is unique , and that's probably the problem that we're trying to solve , right .
And I'd love to say we'd solve it . You want some ?
repeatability be nice . Industrial process let's pump this stuff out . Yeah , and I've been on . I mean we can dig into that too . I'm part of the 10 standardized designs from the province yeah , there's a bunch of and find repeatability Okay , and it doesn't have to be cookie cutter .
The shop today they are building a closed panel , so they're building a light wood frame . It will be the one . Today is for a single family house . It's a custom house .
Okay , a closed panel . Take a double click on that .
We are going to move our sheathing , so exterior sheathing comes to the inside . Yeah , we use it as our air barrier , moisture barrier and our structure . We're then going to fill the rest of it . So the cavity that's created from the 2x4 structure , we fill it with dense pack cellulose and then we have an exterior sheathing .
On this one we're using a cross-trap 2x4 with rock , wool , mineral board and that holds the cellulose in . We put the WRB on and then our rain screen and that's what we're shipping out . So what comes to site is you don't visually see the structural two-by-fours .
Right On the outside it's closed .
Yeah , you don't see it at all .
On the inside Either .
Yeah , it's all hidden .
Oh crazy . Okay , so what is the inside finish ? I'm obviously doing a quick drywall on that , because typically you're drywalling on the studs , right yeah ?
So what does it ? Look like now It'd be a plywood surface Plywood okay , it looks like plywood . You can see the sheathing and nailing for sign-off on that . Right , okay . And then we'll on-site do a mechanical cavity where needed .
So what thickness of plywood is that ? Half an inch , half an inch , same as normal .
Okay , crazy , okay , reversing conventional construction in that regard , and what it allows us to do is have a very precision panel and all of our air tightness and air barriers to the inside , and so we're , with that system , hitting very , very low levels of air tightness with relative ease .
Okay , and then electrical conduit . How does that all work ?
We just fur out the inside wall . Okay . So you just put an inch and a half where it's needed . We used to put it in in the factory . Uh , we've slowed that down . Uh , because what we're finding is the electric . We can do it after the electrician or mechanical to go to town . Here's a blank canvas . How much faster is that ?
And then we just all it's doing is holding drywall so we can just block it out where needed okay , so you guys do that on your end before they get there . Depends on the scope and the project . But we're finding now that backframing is pretty easy . Anybody can do that , so they don't need anything specialized .
So when it leaves the factory , because we're no longer a general contractor , we're now solely focused on off-site construction , so our scope for us to come back and do that later is too expensive .
So we'll just keep it open . It's easy for
¶ Closed Panel Manufacturing Process
someone else to do . Someone's just thinking like if someone who wants a new electrical outlet , like in the past , you'd be pounding through drywall and then there's nothing behind that . You've got plywood behind you .
And as a building scientist not a building scientist , but someone that understands airflow , moisture flow my bigger concern is that renovation you're doing to that wall for a picture frame , an electrical outlet or whatever . Yeah , you're puncturing your air barrier and your moisture barrier .
I see .
A one centimeter square hole with air drive brings in like a liter of water . I forget what the rate is . I can call it a day , it might even be an hour , right , and that's where you get mold . That's where you get mold , that's where you get rot . That's where you get pretty significant issues . The performance of your hose dramatically drops .
It's like giving a flat tire to your car Right Cool . So these panels , this is like a kind of proprietary sort of mix that you put together of materials . That is , do you have that spinning on your website ?
Yeah , it's that way , but we've taken an interesting choice . We removed the word proprietary , so it's open source . So the idea is that we were going to grow the industry as a whole and let everybody produce that , so it's widely available . We're working with .
A lot of the consulting I do is with our large organizations BC Housing , Metro Vancouver , lots of contractors , lots of other manufacturers that are already building walls like this and then just refining that assembly to meet their manufacturing spec and what's needed for the project or projects . So it's widely available .
I'd like to come and see this . Can I see it one day ? Yeah , for sure .
Yeah , I'd like to come by . They're banging nails for the next couple of weeks . It's pretty fun .
Yeah , okay , that's cool . So you've got the wall panel . What other components are you building ? You said a lot of the time it's like custom , because it's obviously you're getting an order that's for a particular size .
Yeah , I mean right now , a lot of what we're working on . So the problem is right now is every single house , every single project is a one-off , unique piece , and it's where AEC , the architectural housing process , is .
So we're doing a lot of work to standardize that we also the other product we produce quite a bit of would be an open panel for all your internal walls , your sheer walls . We do floor cassettes , which is TGIs and plywood . Don't overthink it , it's pretty simple but it does we then when ? because we have a crane on site , it's speed right .
So we assembled a duplex in january , in five days wow crazy , yeah , from foundation dance floor on backfilled . So then we took over the site crane . Our panels flow in . They do a floor a day , if not a little faster . I guess that one was a bit slower on my math on five days and two floors but they rolled through it pretty quick .
So first floor walls , second floor floors , so that floor cassette's a eight foot to 10 foot by 20 foot , even 24 foot piece , yeah .
So if you start to understand those components and the lego blocks that you're building with really well , you start to value up , optimize it , the Lego blocks that you're building with really well , you start to value , optimize it . And what we're doing right now is we're just taking every single existing house
¶ Building Efficiency and Speed Benefits
and building the way we always have and site built construction , stick built . We do it really really well . In North America we have very much a pickup truck culture , yeah , and our project I've been in construction for 15 years .
We were great at buying two-by-fours at the last minute at 7 am , every single one of my guys would go to the store , buy what they need for the day , show up and build something or take a delivery , and there is an efficiency in that , for sure , but it's also just incredibly inefficient Weather time delays , site conditions , sending six people to a site with no
hot lunch . It's ridiculous . Where that's what in the factory ? You bring all that into the factory and you start to gain these pieces .
So , as you see your business evolving , what is the type of business that you are aspiring , that you want ? What line of work are you trying to get Like ? If you do , you get those pillow thoughts when you're trying to get to sleep at night and you're like , if I could only just crack this .
That's what I'm laughing about , right now , okay , smiling , you've got you've like nailed . Nailed it is . I spend a lot of time at night figuring that out . Right now we're're focused on sort of the cutting edge , the research development . We call what we're doing in the shop more of a sandbox . We have zero interest in competing with the big production .
We're in downtown Vancouver . It's a pain in the butt to get a semi-truck to our shop . It's never going to compete on a high-volume piece .
Do you want that to get to that point though ?
Do you want to move out to the valley and get some large production ? I want to dial in the digital side and the process and then have multiple manufacturers supporting that across the province .
I got you yeah .
We've been doing a lot of work with indigenous groups .
So you want to create the brain ? Yeah , okay . So what does the brain look like ?
The brain is a digital system that's processing a lot of data . That takes all the way from design iterations all the way to the exact steps needed to produce in various types of factories .
I see so would that look like a BIM model ? And then that BIM model is essentially their basic . I'm going to call it drawing , but it's not drawing , so it's a bin model , but their basic CAD file . That is the project , however large the project is , and then you have some kind of a plugin that's like apply your components .
Yeah , I mean that exists today , so in the app stack that's totally available . It was on it there .
But you have all of your stuff in there . What can apply to that particular ?
model . Yeah , you have different iterations and so you would optimize to the different product and the reality of being able to be manufactured . You've got to produce everything from a laneway house , adu all the way up to a six-story or even , arguably . What we're looking at now is some mass timber components and parts . Yeah . Like the wall system .
So we're talking a very broad spectrum of building types and I think the yes , there's the project-based thinking and plugging those pieces in optimizing your parts using the Lego blocks effectively , but you have various iterations .
Someone said it to me today earlier Like you go to the Lego blocks effectively , but you have various iterations Someone said it to me today earlier you go to the Lego website , you can select different iterations of all those different blocks to make it work for what you want to build .
So I think that's what it needs to get to , but it also has to core tie into the production schedule .
So these shops , the manufacturing shops , live and die by the volume they pump out and the efficiency of that and as soon as you have any capitalization in a shop or your op costs and you have a week or a day shut down , it's dramatic to your bottom line . So I actually think it really stems from that production schedule is the digital brain and the process .
Our AAC process is also like that the design development we're working on some grants and some working right now of taking that manufacturing knowledge , those Lego blocks and assigning best practices to educate the early due diligence , concept , phase process and schematic drawings so that you're using those principles and rules and guides very early on in your building
development . Because the McKenzie curve or McLean curve , the further we go down the road , the decision change gets more and more expensive .
I see yeah , and so with so many of these decisions , the system that you're using to build a home for these projects and buildings it started and engaged on in the very early process and once you've gone sort of down those road , that track , you can't turn and you're committed to that .
And sometimes that's where we're seeing offsite construction fail because cost overruns , it wasn't designed properly for that system and it's very difficult to pivot and change .
And so I think that's where education , knowledge , gap , really understanding where this change is occurring and like changes the market , we just can't do it the way we always have been is a big part of that brain , of using that tool all the way through . So I think it's a pretty big digital platform is the truth to make that all work .
Well , I would say . I mean , you're clearly not the only people on the planet doing this . What countries , what cities are like pioneering this kind of process ?
I mean , we're way behind Europe . Switzerland , Austria , germany are like light years ahead of us .
So what kind of things are they excelling
¶ Digital Systems and Manufacturing Knowledge
at that you could take some knowledge from ?
They there is no stick frame . Even thinking so , their big battle there is to convince people to get away from brick or concrete and use timber frame . Okay , and they're using quite large timber to do that . I mean , we have a very exist like our most . A lot of our buildings are pre-used wood right , so it's a different argument .
they are they're using very advanced systems . Within that regard , they're the automation in their factories . The capital scale in their factories is significant . The universities , the courses , the education , but just the breadth of knowledge that is is held by every individual . Yeah , um , I think there's also a um , an outlook that's different .
Fundamentally , their investment cycles in these large capital factories have come from generations .
So David Ringley , ringley Helms he's third generation and they've just invested some obscene number like $500 million into a new factory in Germany , their Swiss company , and that's his generation's big move and each generation has done that big move and he's doing that big move for 30 , 40 years down the road , whereas our investment cycle in buildings we're really short
. The investors over here are like what's my return in two years ? And he's just not going to get that In this housing cycle , the construction cycle , the time these things take to build . That basic outlook is different .
But coming from the Swiss and the Germans . I mean , isn't it like the prefab business in the elevator business has been around for years , years ? That's what I mean and that's the perfect model . That's the one .
They've been doing that forever , yeah , and the building's different every time , things different every time , and they have probably just minor differences on a myriad of the same model .
Yeah , you'd be surprised they still like even those companies have , for the most part , produce a lot of typologies . It surprised me . I thought they'd sort of like have one really focused one and just pump it out yeah um , but you'd be even for their production schedules to be filled and to really work it .
They are definitely diversified and flexibility is built into their processing system to be able to survive . Code changes , product changes , innovation in what is being built is constant , but their processing ability to execute what is it about the Swiss and the Germans ?
Why does he go to this stuff ? Tick , tick , tick . They're process-driven . Is that what it is ? I think so . Or is it a culture ?
thing . I mean I'd say it's both , like the culture drives that process , thinking of just really quality execution . Yeah , let's be honest , the look at their buildings and what they're building compared to here , it's dramatically different . And even our wood .
One of the problems we're having with mass timber right now is that our ability as a BC forestry industry produced lumber is second to none in the world . We pump out commodity spaghetti 2x4 , 2x6 like nobody else , but it's not not , it's too , it's too rough , it's too . It's not a great quality of material that gets used .
Uh , for like for the mass timber , you need a more precision piece . So you have vertically integrated companies like kleznikoff that own their own forest plant , their own forest , process their own wood . Yeah , processing it to a much higher tolerance for their clt yeah , I I have to admit .
I mean , you know , I went and got some solid white oak . I think it was like 1x2 . And it's a ganjo . None of it's straight . I'm like what is this ? And that should be straight . I mean it's not like I'm buying plywood .
Yeah , that's like a high-end hardwood , like imagine buying SPF number two and better . It's like a spaghetti , but it's like .
It's all over the place . Yeah , I just don't understand why that is Would that be like that in Switzerland ?
They use a different . They use much more of a timber-based system , so it's more of like timber framing . So they're using metric , but they would be using like 4x4s and 6x6s for the most part . And the answer is no . I mean we also got to understand that we're primarily an export market .
We literally see some ridiculously no number like don't quote me on this , but like 2% or 5% of our product ends up in our houses . Here we are exporting everything . Um , so there's j grade , like japan grade is a high end , like all of our high end would go to the top , highest dollar can you excuse me for one second ?
yeah , I'm knocking everything over here . Sorry about that . No worries , ping pong is getting , it's getting action . Yeah , yeah , it's getting . You don't want the extreme ping pong .
¶ European Innovation vs. North American Approach
That's why we have the slow ball . Yeah , the slow ball .
Slow ball . You need a wiffle ball . Ping pong .
Yeah , that's cool , yeah , so I . So what do you think Is ? Are materials going to be driving this innovation specifically ? I mean , like right now you guys are putting components together at your shop that are basically it's off-site construction .
It's the stuff you would , besides your panels , the stuff you would be doing on-site , you're doing off-site , and shipping to-site . Construction is the stuff you would , besides your panels , the stuff you would be doing on-site , you're doing off-site , and shipping to site and assembling pretty quick , correct , yeah , exactly .
But , you're using lots of wood screws nails same stuff .
Right , all the same stuff .
I guess what I'm getting at is that at what point is there off-site composite 3D printing ? Let's go there . I got you when this stuff is just being made . Precision You're not nailing stuff together , because it's actually formed together . Yep , large build plates .
I think it's a necessity and I got to be careful with a whole whack of NDAs with 3D printed companies , robotic companies and that level of automation , yeah . But yeah , that's where it's going . If we need to build faster , cheaper and better , we can't do it the same way we've been doing it . No .
You need a seismic shift and I think it will be material-driven . But don't ask me to bet on what material right now , because I think there's a lot of like . There's an opportunity in wood and I think it changes region by region .
Cold form steel is getting a lot of action right now for a lot of good reasons , but I think it's also a little short-sighted in what they're trying to do there and it won't ultimately win it because it's not the right level of sustainability . The impact of that material is tough .
Wood I said I was lumber broker at the start of this , really on Wood I said I was a lumber broker at the start of this , early on Wood , I think is a critical piece the mass timber elements and really it's still such a micro part of our like .
All this conversation is such in its infancy , but you're going to have something that comes in and breaks it and disrupts properly , and it's a matter of time in my opinion . I'm not a huge fan of the 3D printing where a big printer shows up and CNC's a house out of a nozzle .
That's kind of weird , like the whole thing that looks like icing .
Yeah , yeah , and not to hit on the technology like I think down in Texas in certain regions it makes a lot of sense . In our wet coast it's just not viable in my opinion , unless something dramatically changes in the material and it's an overuse of concrete and blah , blah blah . That being said , I'm having conversations with 3D printed panels .
So we've got this panel that we can really panelize . We know how the trucking works , we know how to install it really well , so let's play with that . What can we do in a wet environment in Vancouver that we know we're going to be flying these through the rain , in a wet environment in Vancouver that we know we're going to be flying these through the rain ?
So what is the materials ? How can we get that interior finished , exterior , finished window , on assembly , locked and loaded ? It leans to 3D modular in some areas , but 3D modular has its other issues . But where do we find that sweet spot of a really bulletproof panel ? And I think we're like in my whiteboards and my visions at night .
I can see it , um , but it just comes down to scale , economics , um , and finding that material . Yeah . A micro CLT hemlock panel with a 3d printed cladding that's thermally broken . Precision made that assembles in days Sounds great . It's there . It's not that far off it's not that far off .
It's just a matter of putting up the money to make it happen . Well , it seems like it would be . Um , yeah , sorry , people are walking by melatonin saying hi , and my eyes are doing this because I'm recognizing people um , but um , yeah , there's definitely the like I look at .
I look at a lot of 3d printing stuff and I think of , wow , there's the fact that some car parts , um , some it can be used just by 3d printing . It didn't have to be . You know , in the old days I'd have to , you know , make a mold and have the alloy done , but now that can .
So there's a lot of composite materials that are like super strong , stronger than the other stuff was . And you know , to me the like , even the two by four , okay , like , let's just say that you've got 16-inch centers . Let's say you've got like an 8-foot wall you want to make , and typically it would be a track on the bottom .
You typically do it with steel , now Steel track on the bottom and then your steel stud . Well , you've got all the screws , you've got all the BS that's got to go in there . That could be made with something that has different layers to it . So the inside layer is a um is going to add to the structure structural integrity because it's solid ,
¶ Future Materials and 3D Printing Potential
and then the rest of it could actually be a hardened , more of a hardened material you're using less of , but uh , it's kind of like a totally kind of a what do you call it ?
like a skin , like an orange , for instance , like the peel yeah and the peel is the stuff that you screw into um , so it seems like there's , but that could have no joins done properly with 3d printing totally , and you guys could be pumping those out of your . Yeah , but the speed also is the other thing .
All right , the speed of making this stuff is so low .
It's this is it right , like it's the and the speed . There's two factors , I think . Speed you hit it up with speed . The other major factor that people gloss over quickly is just the pure scale . The volume of materials that goes into our buildings is staggering .
Yeah , like I mean like you'd have to have like hoppers of oh , of this stuff , this stuff and what is that stuff ? Spools and spools and spools , and right now to make it structurally work and all these things you can like . It's carbon graphite . Yeah , eps , like Nylon .
Nymically lozed at foam . There's nylon with graphite in there ?
Yeah , it's . It's a lot of chemicals that I can't pronounce or understand , whereas what we've been trying to push forward and one of the beauties of wood is it's a natural , bio-based product that is incredibly light , incredibly strong .
So I think there's a use for wood in that it's also the biophilic design , the look , the monotonous-y of our white walls is what we're finding in a lot of projects . The introduction of wood of nature is very beneficial to people's health and has a lot of qualities that we often call the biophilic design .
Biophilic design . It's the third time I've heard that in the past two days .
Well , I mean , you're real close to the Woodworks booth .
They talked about it . Yeah , someone else talked about it too . So , in terms of do you know one thing , like when you see the finishing of a home on the inside interior , I think of how much environmental waste has gone into the one color . It's not even a color white . Do you ever think about this ?
I think that Like white Because the pigment of like you mean colorless , colorless , no color , no color . Just like to make something white . Okay , so there's white in nature , but it's a different kind of white . It's not that milky opacity white . If you look at a petal , that's a white flower .
It's not the same kind of white a petal , that's a white flower .
It's not the same kind of white . We had to make this white , simply white . I'm trying to remember the benjamin moore code for simply white , which I've used on like the last 15 projects . Um , it's no white , like it's just white , and that's what everything gets painted .
You think of the layers , the build-up , like it's we to get these layers and I mean , I understand on the interior side there's also there's fire , there's a whole bunch of things that these layers and walls are doing and control layers .
But I think , and it's also what I find , I mean I got , I got three kids and two dogs at home and they're in the ripe age of two , five and seven and they are destructive . Our house is getting destroyed . These environments we're building are incredibly fragile . They're not resilient . Well , yeah .
You drive your remote-controlled car into the wall , you get a hole in the drywall . Yeah .
You write on the walls and you clean it with your Mr Eraser and dig a hole through the paint . The corner would be like I haven't even gone into the bathroom yet . Why are we using the bathroom is a wet environment . Why aren't we sealing our full floors Like they are very fragile ? Yeah .
As a builder that's built many houses , my warranty calls are always around the bathroom , yeah , and oftentimes user error of like yeah , we spilled a whole whack of water and it drained to the floor below . Yeah .
Yeah .
You're supposed to make like a sink of the floor , right it's not in code .
It's not required . It's smart though .
It's smart . I mean that's what like ? I mean it gets back to cost and all those pieces . But no , the reality of our fragility is of our houses . There's an interesting product that you were talking about like 3D printed . There's some people were talking to me about recycled plastic . We have a huge amount of garbage plastic . Can you use that ?
Where does that all go these days ?
It gets shipped overseas , or burnt or just filled .
Yeah , I'm not the expert there , but I would say , and it's an interesting piece , but you also like , literally with the volume of material we use in construction , by the time you get that available and produced do you have an ? industry that's now creating plastic to be used in houses .
Oh yeah , which is the back like the backlash of that is significant , but it is a waste product that we should be using . Yeah , it does have some attributes that make a lot of sense of resiliency , lasting a long time . Like to use the attributes it's using to make a huge island in the ocean for our housing problem . Yeah , which .
I think those sort of like you get into these deep material conversations that I think are really interesting , of what is that product that's widely available ? It also quickly goes into regional . I get to talk about projects all over North America and sometimes all over the world .
So you're in a really , really interesting segment right now in the market . Yeah , like it is so exciting about the opportunity . Where are things in the ? Are there venture capital companies that are interested in your kind of
¶ Building Resilience and Environmental Considerations
like ? Is there money to be other than government grants , which are pretty , usually pretty small ? Is there any like ? Are there any global VCs who are interested in this kind of innovation and building products ?
I think it's I mean . If you know any , let me know .
I'm just curious whether or not there's an ecosystem for that , like there is in tech .
I think there is starting to be , and I think actually what we just talked about with that digital brain is a pretty heavy tech piece and I think the VC side will come through that tech VC .
It would there . I'm just wondering if it's going to port itself to the material side .
What's happening , though , is you've got big multinational companies .
Like Lafarge and all that kind of stuff .
Yeah , or St Cobain is digging into offsite pretty heavy .
What about ? What's the other large one , the Heidelberg ?
Yeah , I mean , those are the . So what's that's concrete , based like Lafarge .
High School . I know they are , but I'm just saying they're probably looking at it .
They're digging in . They also understand that everybody's trying to do their best to reduce concrete on every single one of the projects . There's a lot of carbon right now , so they're going to build their electric car . They're going to figure out something .
They've been the gas car for so many years .
And I'd actually give the concrete industry massive credit .
They've done a lot of stuff . They've done a ton .
They've actually moved way faster than anybody else in the construction industry in that space and I think that's really encouraging . And those are the big , big players .
St Cobain , which is certainty , which is drywall , all that interior stuff and a ton of membranes and layers and insulation um , they've got , they've , they've developed an off-site system and they're really pushing it . Um , I think there's more and more interest . I think there's still there's no sure bet right now .
It's still really early , and I think that's causing some peace . It's also , I think , within the outside construction space and we've seen it in across the is . Where does it actually ? Who are the major players ? Who's going to be that instructor ? Who's going to be like ?
there's the enthusiastic startup the enthusiastic amateur startups yeah , then maybe they get something that runs . Or is it a sawmill that's vertically integrated that gets something going ? Is it a building supplier that starts getting into offsite and they're just adding value to their supply chain ? Is it material suppliers ?
You have all these different players dabbing their toe in . Developers are probably the ones that fail the most and that's where we get a lot of failures in offsite construction , because they've got a pre-existing core competency with the way they've been doing it and that change management on an internal organization is really difficult .
So it's kind of a bit of a . The other part of what I sleep at night is what do you bet on Like ? Which is that entrance that's actually going to make some ground here ? Yeah . And I don't think there's like there's no obvious clear-cut winner . It's still sort of that early Wild West where you're figuring it out .
I think your brain's a winner . I appreciate that Well , the brain itself , because you can keep changing the outputs . You can't .
This is a long-term investment strategy . It's not going to happen in two weeks . It's not a quick hit . So you have to be flexible to market change and I can guarantee you product innovation is coming , code change is coming , all those pieces . There is change .
Change inevitable . I just had Corey on from the city of Vancouver . That was interesting . Yeah , yeah , Lots of things that you know they're obviously would like to be doing too . There's huge inefficiencies , that Massive yeah .
All over the place .
All right . Well , chris , this has been very interesting . I think we should have a longer chat in the studio , probably about this stuff , because I kind of geek out on where this is all going . So that's actually pretty cool All right .
So how do people get hold of you ? It's the best right now to head to bcollectivecom . Not BC , not BC 1B . The word collective no space com .
Okay , and then you're on LinkedIn . I am on LinkedIn , chris Hill .
All right , super generic name , but
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I've been pretty popular these days , so I think I'm getting up there .
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