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The Simple Heart w/ Wayne Hsiung

Wayne Hsiungsimpleheart.org

Who says you can't change the world? Meet the people who are. Wayne Hsiung, law professor-turned-grassroots animal rights activist and multi-state felony defendant, uncovers the people behind the political, the unexplored personal stories of social change. Intimate interviews with journalists, musicians, filmmakers, community leaders, and others. Change isn't easy. But it must start somewhere.

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Episodes

What to do if You’re Assaulted on National TV - Moby

It’s not every day that a puppet dog is attacked on national television at an award’s ceremony. But that’s exactly what happened 20 years ago, when the musician Moby was insulted and threatened by the rapper Eminem, who proceeded to also assault a puppet dog on live TV. As the world processes what happened with Will Smith and Chris Rock at the Academy Awards, I thought it’d be interesting to talk to Moby about his experience from 2002. And the conversation gave me a new perspective on the Smith/...

Apr 05, 20221 hr 35 min

Is the Food System about to Collapse? Is the World? - Noah Smith (economist)

A few weeks ago, Noah Smith, an economist who writes for Bloomberg and on Substack, wrote one of the most important blogs I’ve read about the crisis in Ukraine. And it was all about food. You see, Ukraine and Russia make up a whopping 25% of all wheat exports in the world. And while most of the world has been talking about guns and gas prices, Noah has pointed out the obvious: while we can do without gas (and might prefer to have fewer guns), the world can’t go without food. Yet that may be what...

Mar 22, 20221 hr 58 min

When a Journalist Becomes a Rescuer - Donny Moss

In 2013, I co-founded a ragtag grassroots outfit called Direct Action Everywhere. We did street theater in grocery stores and silly flash mobs in Louis Vuitton and spoke truth to power wherever we could, even when our voices would shake. And while we earned some fans for our passion, most of the mainstream media, and even the world of nonprofit activism, scoffed at us. The things we were asking for – a world where every living creatures is safe and free; a transformation of our political system ...

Mar 09, 20222 hr 18 min

Russia, Ukraine, and the Problem of Mutually Assured Bulls***- Steven Fish

Professor Steven Fish is a political scientist at UC Berkeley who has spent decades studying Russia, Putin, and the rise of authoritarianism. But before he was a political scientist, he was a young student visiting Russia on a tourist visa. And while there, he noticed something odd: people were lying to him. He knew they were lying to him. They knew they were lying to him. And they knew that he knew they were lying to him. But they told the lies anyway. It was mutually assured bulls__, lies that...

Mar 01, 20221 hr 59 min

Has Identity Become a Weapon Against Progress? - Briahna Joy Gray

Briahna Joy Gray, who served as national press secretary for the Bernie Sanders presidential campaign, triggered a firestorm when she announced that she would not be voting for Joe Biden in April 2020. Many, including her former boss, criticized her unwillingness to moderate her political views to fight a common enemy: Donald Trump. This is why it’s surprising to many that Gray also has been one of the most powerful critics of so-called “identity politics.” Identity politics, which is defined by...

Feb 23, 20222 hr 45 min

How to Take on The Government (and Win) - Kecia Doolittle and Matt Johnson

What happens when the full power of the state comes after you, for exposing nightmarish abuse at factory farms? If you’re Kecia Doolittle or Matt Johnson, you fight back – and you win. Kecia is a founder of Project Counterglow, a grassroots initiative to create a nationwide map of factory farms. Matt Johnson is a core organizer for the animal rights network Direct Action Everywhere (DxE), and lead investigator in an effort to expose the brutal extermination procedures used by pig farms at the he...

Feb 08, 20222 hr 25 min

Shaleen Shah - The Untold Story of the FBI’s Hunt for Lily the Piglet

In August 2017, I received a phone call that changed my life. “Wayne, there are FBI agents here,” the voice said. “They’re searching for Lily.” For years, DxE had been openly rescuing animals and daring the industry or government to prosecute us for rescuing dying animals from factory farms. We knew repression was going to come. What we didn’t know is that it would start with a multi-state hunt for a piglet named Lily that would end in an FBI raid at a sanctuary in Colorado. Shaleen Shan is the ...

Jan 25, 20221 hr 33 min

Matt Johnson & Jon Frohnmayer part II - The Prosecution of Whistleblowers and the Co-opting of the Human Species

In just 9 days, one of the most important trials in animal rights history will begin. My friend Matt Johnson faces a felony charge for saving the life of a sick baby pig, and exposing one of the most disturbing episodes of animal torture in recent memory: ventilation shutdown (VSD) at Iowa Select Farms, or ISF. The practice of VSD, which involves shutting down the vents in a building and pumping in hot steam, leads to hours of torment before the animals die. And for working with an employee at I...

Jan 12, 20222 hr 10 min

Mary McDonnell - How to Change an Organization

Around the year 2004, I decided I was going to devote myself to an immense project: veganizing the University of Chicago. I had seen one too many slaughterhouse videos and was suffering from night terrors with images of animals being torn to pieces alive. And the U of C (which is what Chicago grads call the school) was a quirky place where people believed and did weird things. I was further convinced by the conventional wisdom at the time: that around 1-2% of people who took a leaflet about vega...

Dec 28, 20211 hr 23 min

The Backstory of the North Carolina Trial - Jon Frohnmayer

I went into trial in North Carolina with big ambitions: arguing in court, for the first time in my life, that animals are not property, but living creatures with rights. But that came crashing to a halt in the first few minutes of my opening statement. The judge cut me off, ordered the jurors out of the courtroom, and threatened to remove me from representing myself (and possibly send me to jail) if I continued to make the case for animal rights. The judge, you see, had ruled on Day 1 of the tri...

Dec 14, 20212 hr 10 min

Lessons on Love. From a Killer. (Special Episode)

My best friend was born to kill. It was not her choice, and perhaps not her fault. But she has a history of violence that would make a serial killer squirm. There was the time she ripped open someone’s head and left their ear hanging from a string of skin. Or the time that she grabbed her victim’s throat so tightly that the screams went silent. It was like someone hit the mute button on a horror movie. But perhaps the worst incident occurred in my own home. I came back to my apartment one day to...

Dec 08, 202125 min

Duncan Watts - It’s A “Small World” After All

Duncan Watts, the Stevens University Professor at the University of Pennsylvania, is a living legend. HIs paper, Collective Dynamics of Small-World Networks, is one of the most cited papers in the history of sociology. (There are Nobel Prize winners who have fewer citations in their career than that single paper by Duncan.) And while his name is not well known outside of academia, he has transformed multiple disciplines with his path breaking work in what is now known as “network science” – a bl...

Nov 30, 20212 hr 6 min

Evan Wolfson - The Thesis that Started a Movement

Today I’m in preliminary hearings in Sonoma County, California, relating to the mass open rescue of dozens of dying animals from some of the largest factory farms in the nation. In less than two weeks, I’ll face my first felony trial in Transylvania County, North Carolina, where I’m being prosecuted for seeking to protect a baby goat named Rain, who was sick and destined to be killed. It can often feel like all the forces of government are against us – not to mention the rest of society – which ...

Nov 16, 20212 hr 20 min

Leighton Woodhouse & Shant Mesrobian - The Great Reversal

Leighton Woodhouse is a journalist, video producer, and dear friend – and one of the sharpest people I know. Shant Mesrobian is a former Obama staffer who, along with Leighton, has become a key voice in what I call the “post-left” critique of the modern Democratic Party. You see, both Leighton and Shant come from classic leftist backgrounds: labor organizing, progressive journalism, etc. But they both have reached the conclusion that the modern Democratic Party, captured by corporate and elite i...

Nov 03, 20212 hr 13 min

Alex Marquardt - Is Harvard an Enemy or Ally?

“It seems odd that we would just let the world burn.” That was the title for a piece Ezra Klein wrote for the New York Times a few months ago. And it captures a truth about our civilization’s trajectory. If we don’t act — and act urgently — all life on earth is at risk. Yet, even with Democrats in power, action on climate change has been nonexistent. We are watching as the world burns. But not all of us. Alex Marquardt is co-founder of a group that defends the climate by defending the activists ...

Oct 19, 20211 hr 44 min

Priya Sawhney - How Animal Agriculture Projects Violence

Soon the state will be presenting evidence against Priya Sawhney regarding an alleged “conspiracy” to burglarize and steal animals from some of the largest factory farms in the U.S., including Petaluma Poultry – the largest organic poultry producer in the nation. All of the animals from Petaluma Poultry were unable to stand. Some had rotting, gaping wounds, including some so deep and necrotic that we could see their exposed bone. This was verified by the state’s own veterinarian, yet instead of ...

Oct 05, 20211 hr 56 min

Justin Marceau - Crime without Punishment

Justin Marceau is an anomaly. He grew up in rural Montana, in a family that raised animals on their own property. Yet he is now a leading advocate for animal rights. He went to the Air Force Academy to become a pilot. Yet he went to Harvard Law School to study ways to challenge our government and now defends people who take direct action – breaking laws where necessary. But perhaps most curiously, he is a lawyer in a nation with the highest incarceration rate in the world. Yet he does not believ...

Sep 21, 20212 hr 2 min

Matt Johnson - On the Joy of Sacrifice

It’s a strange time to be talking positively about sacrifice. Over the past year, so many people have lost their businesses, their communities, even their lives. And it seems absurd, perhaps even offensive, to draw something good from that sacrifice. But that’s exactly what we need to do, on both a personal and collective level, to make progress. And Matt Johnson is one of the best people I can think of to talk about that. Matt was living a pretty normal life, and a pretty comfortable life, in h...

Sep 06, 20213 hr 23 min

Almira Tanner - How to Lead a Social Movement

Almira Tanner is the Lead Organizer of Direct Action Everywhere (DxE). At first glance, she might not be who you picture when you hear “leader of radical animal liberation network.” Growing up in verdant Vancouver, Canada, she went straight from kindergarten through grad school, finished as valedictorian of her undergraduate class, never stepped out of line, and—God forbid—never had any run-ins with the law. So how did this mild-mannered, upright kid grow up to become the animal agriculture indu...

Dec 21, 20202 hr 12 min

Hadar Aviram - No Magic Bullet

Hadar Aviram—legal scholar, author, and human and animal rights activist—is the Thomas Miller Professor at UC Hastings College of the Law. She holds law and criminology degrees from Hebrew University of Jerusalem and a Ph.D. in Jurisprudence and Social Policy from UC Berkeley, where she studied as a Fulbright Fellow and a Regents Intern. Hadar specializes in criminal justice and civil rights from a socio-legal perspective. Prior to her illustrious career as one of the world's premier scholars an...

Oct 29, 20201 hr 25 min

Randy Shaw - The One-Word Solution to Homelessness

Randy Shaw is the co-founder of the Tenderloin Housing Clinic, author of five books, and has been one of the Bay Area's leading community organizers on tenants’ rights, housing, and homelessness for the past 40 years. Randy, in short, is a fountain of knowledge and knows what works when it comes to solving one the nation's most pressing problems. In this episode, Wayne and Randy explore the roots of the Bay Area's--and the nation's--housing crisis. They look into past ballot measures, California...

Oct 21, 20201 hr 14 min

Moby - Lessons from David Lynch's Microscope

Moby transcends simple classification: a punk who became a breakthrough 90s electronica DJ and producer; a mainstream and highly successful Grammy Awards-nominated musician who prefers to be alone and out of the limelight; an introspective and spiritually-connected philosopher who is...an evidence-driven data wonk. Moby and Wayne Hsiung unpack these contradictions, exploring Moby's tumultuous and chaotic early life growing up in a basement in Harlem, and later move to San Francisco where he was ...

Oct 08, 20201 hr 26 min

Glenn Greenwald - The Whole Game's a Fraud

Glenn Greenwald is the now-legendary journalist and Pulitzer Prize recipient who broke the Edward Snowden story, documented in the Academy Award-winning film Citizenfour, showing how the U.S. and British governments were spying on ordinary citizens. Glenn is also the co-founder of online media publication The Intercept and, in 2019, published leaked messages that broke a watershed corruption scandal in the Brazilian government, which implicated officials in the highest levels of office of seriou...

Sep 16, 20201 hr 49 min

Introducing: The Green Pill

Who says you can't change the world? Meet the people who are. Wayne Hsiung, law professor-turned-grassroots animal rights activist and multi-state felony defendant, uncovers the people behind the political, the unexplored personal stories of social change. Intimate interviews with world-renowned journalists, musicians, filmmakers, community leaders, and all stripes of the politically active. Change isn't easy. But it must start somewhere. Come, take The Green Pill with us. Warning: there's no tu...

Aug 25, 20203 min
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