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The Shape of Dialogue

Michael Goldwatershapeofdialogue.com
The Shape of Dialogue podcast focuses on the foundational principles that make societies function at their best. It initially started with an investigation into free speech, it continues to discuss relevant and interesting topics about our world and how best to navigate through it.
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The Communism To Woke Pipeline with James Lindsay - The Shape of Dialogue #38

Critical Race Theory expert Dr. James Lindsay outlines the genealogy of communism and its evolution into woke ideologies. About Dr. James Lindsay An American-born author, mathematician, and professional troublemaker, Dr. James Lindsay has written six books spanning a range of subjects including religion, the philosophy of science and postmodern theory. He is a leading expert on Critical Race Theory, which leads him to reject it completely. He is the founder of New Discourses and is currently pro...

Jun 12, 20251 hr 28 minEp. 38

Knowledge Based Education with Elizabeth Rata - The Shape of Dialogue #37

Professor Elizabeth Rata is a sociologist of education in the School of Critical Studies, Faculty of Education and Social Work at the University of Auckland where she is Director of the Knowledge in Education Research Unit (KERU). Her main research areas are in knowledge in the curriculum, knowledge politics, ethnic revivalism, Māori education, research methods, and the history of New Zealand education. https://elizabethrata.com/bio/ https://profiles.auckland.ac.nz/e-rata https://the-shape-of-di...

Jun 02, 20251 hr 7 minEp. 37

Literacy Matters with Dr Melissa Derby - The Shape of Dialogue #34

Dr Melissa Derby is a Senior Lecturer teaching early literacy and human development at the University of Waikato's Tauranga campus and online. Melissa completed her PhD at the University of Canterbury, and her study was part of A Better Start National Science Challenge. Her primary area of research is early literacy, and in particular, in exploring the role of whānau in fostering foundational preliteracy skills. More generally, she has an interest in Māori education and success. Melissa's schola...

Sep 11, 20241 hrEp. 34

Losing Women’s Rights with Jill Ovens - The Shape of Dialogue #33

Jill Ovens is a New Zealand trade unionist, politician, and women's rights advocate. She is the founder, co-leader and National Secretary of the Women's Rights Party. Before founding the Women's Rights Party, Jill Ovens was co-leader of the Alliance Party. In 2006, she resigned from the Alliance party. After being elected the northern secretary of the Service & Food Workers Union, she joined the Labour Party. She was a former Auckland/Northland regional representative on the Labour Party's C...

Sep 09, 20241 hr 14 minEp. 33

Why Study The Classics? with Dr James Kierstead - The Shape of Dialogue #32

Dr James Kierstead is a Research Fellow with the Initiative and his main focus will be on higher education policy, including academic freedom. James holds a BA in Classics from Oxford, an MA in Ancient History from the University of London, an MA in Political Science from Stanford, and a PhD in Classics from Stanford. He is also the co-host (with Michael Johnston) of Free Kiwis!, a podcast dedicated to free speech in a New Zealand context. X at @Kleisthenes2. https://www.youtube.com/@Cleisthenes...

Aug 16, 20241 hr 37 minEp. 32

Do women have rights? with Sall Grover - The Shape of Dialogue #31

gigglecrowdfund.com Sall's X handle - @salltweets A male named Roxy Tickle, who identifies as a woman, has brought a human rights claim against Sall Grover for not permitting him to use her female-only networking app, Giggle. He initially filed the complaint last year, but withdrew, due to funding reasons. He has now filed again, way out of time and is claiming that by excluding him, Sall is discriminating against him on the basis of his gender identity, which is a protected attribute under the ...

Jul 10, 20241 hr 25 minEp. 31

The Shape of Liberty with Toby Young - The Shape of Dialogue #30

A discussion about liberty, free speech and threats to liberal societies with British journalist and founder of the Free Speech Union, Toby Young. http://www.tobyyoung.co.uk https://www.spectator.co.uk/writer/toby-young/ https://x.com/toadmeister https://freespeechunion.org https://dailysceptic.org Doc Edge & The UnRedacted with Alex Lee - The Shape of Dialogue Podcast #18 https://youtu.be/uC0IYi5oYaM Music - Bach Mass in B Minor conducted by John Eliot Gardiner https://open.spotify.com/albu...

Jul 04, 20241 hrEp. 30

A Dialogue On Dialogue with Peter Boghossian - The Shape of Dialogue #29

https://peterboghossian.com https://linktr.ee/peterboghossian Philosopher Dr. Peter Boghossian's main focus is bringing the tools of professional philosophers to people in a wide variety of contexts. Peter has a teaching pedigree spanning more than 25 years and 30 thousand students - in prisons, hospitals, public and private schools, seminaries, universities, Fortune 100 companies, and small businesses. His fundamental objective is to teach people how to think through what often seem to be intra...

Jun 26, 20241 hr 22 minEp. 29

Free Speech Diversity? with Michael Johnston & Jonathan Ayling - The Shape of Dialogue #28

Michael Johnston https://www.nzinitiative.org.nz/about-us/our-people/dr-michael-johnston/ Jonathan Ayling https://www.fsu.nz/meet_the_team The role of Universities in supporting freedom of speech The discussion on the role of universities in supporting freedom of speech held at Te Herenga Waka — Victoria University of Wellington in May 2024. Watch the full event here. https://youtu.be/T3rZQ7PxuUI?si=Afw28b_dBJU77UTr...

Jun 13, 202454 minEp. 28

The Constitution of Knowledge with Jonathan Rauch - The Shape of Dialogue #26

https://www.jonathanrauch.com Jonathan Rauch was brought to New Zealand by the Free Speech Union for a speaking tour in May 2025. See here for more information about the Free Speech Union - https://www.fsu.nz Jonathan Rauch is a highly acclaimed American journalist and senior fellow at the Brookings Institution in Washington. He has written eight books, including the renowned Kindly Inquisitors, which defends free speech and robust criticism, even when it's racist, sexist and highly offensive. J...

Jun 03, 202447 minEp. 26

TRANS - Biology or Ideology? with Helen Joyce - The Shape of Dialogue #25

Helen Joyce is a journalist and was a staff writer for The Economist between 2005 and 2022. Helen held various leading positions at The Economist, including education editor, Brazil correspondent, International editor, Finance editor and Britain editor. Helen's first book, "Trans: When Ideology Meets Reality," was published by OneWorld in July 2021. It was reissued in 2023 under the new title "Trans: Gender Identity and the New Battle for Women's Rights." "Trans" was an immediate bestseller and ...

May 05, 20241 hr 28 minEp. 25

Richard Dawkins in New Zealand - Auckland - The Shape of Dialogue Podcast #24

Richard Dawkins - https://richarddawkins.com/ In February 2023, Richard Dawkins asked me to host his New Zealand speaking tour. Today's podcast is the Auckland event, in which Richard discusses the scientific method, his recent book Flights of Fancy, and the debate surrounding the inclusion of non-scientific Māori mythological concepts in the New Zealand school science curriculum. Richard needs no introduction, but if anyone has been hiding under a rock for the last 50 years, here's a brief desc...

Apr 05, 20241 hr 6 minEp. 24

Curriculum Update – Nick Matzke - The Shape of Dialogue Podcast #23

About Nick Matzke - https://profiles.auckland.ac.nz/n-matzke Background In July 2021, seven University of Auckland professors published a letter to the editor in the New Zealand Listener, titled In Defence of Science. The professors' were responding to a Government education report (see link below), recommending parity for Mātauranga Māori in the secondary school curriculum, and in particular, in the science classroom. The report states: ”Our goal is to ensure parity for mātauranga Māori with th...

Dec 20, 20231 hr 5 minEp. 23

Save Our Schools – Education – Michael Johnston - The Shape of Dialogue Podcast #22

Save Our Schools Report https://www.nzinitiative.org.nz/reports-and-media/reports/save-our-schools-solutions-for-new-zealands-education-crisis/document/797 Dr Michael Johnston is a Senior Fellow at the New Zealand Initiative. He leads the workstream on education. Prior to his time at the Initiative, Dr Johnston held academic positions at Victoria University of Wellington from 2011-2022. From 2020 until 2022 he was the Associate Dean (Academic) in the University’s Faculty of Education. Prior to h...

Aug 03, 20231 hr 15 minEp. 22

China's Genocide - Jewher Ilham - The Shape of Dialogue Podcast #21

Jewher Ilham https://www.allstaticandnoise.com/ Twitter https://twitter.com/jewherilham Jewher Ilham: A Uyghur's Fight to Free Her Father (Broken Silence) https://www.amazon.com/Jewher-Ilham-Uyghurs-Father-Silence/dp/1608011054 Ilham Tohti : http://www.ilhamtohti.com/ Uyghur Forced Labor Checker https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/uyghur-forced-labor-check/ejodaepockllkcloibcchpjnfoopincp Uyghur Forced Labor Prevention Act https://www.cbp.gov/trade/forced-labor/UFLPA China: UN experts deep...

Jul 13, 20231 hr 3 minEp. 21

All Static & Noise - Genocide in China - The Shape of Dialogue Podcast #20

Director David Novack talks about All Static & Noise, his documentary on the Uyghur genocide in western China. www.allstaticandnoise.com www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100088787521406 https://www.instagram.com/allstaticandnoise/ https://twitter.com/allstatic_noise https://www.odessafilms.com/our-films.html https://www.odessafilms.com/david-novack.html https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2021/03/china-un-experts-deeply-concerned-alleged-detention-forced-labour-uyghurs https://www.cbp.gov...

Jun 21, 20231 hr 34 minEp. 20

The Edge of Knowledge with Lawrence Krauss - The Shape of Dialogue Podcast #19

Connect with Lawrence at https://lawrencemkrauss.com/ Get Lawrence's book at: https://www.amazon.com/Edge-Knowledge... Get exclusive bonus content at https://lawrencekrauss.substack.com/ Twitter: https: //twitter.com/LKrauss1?s=20 Lawrence Krauss explores the unanswered questions at the forefront of science today and likely for the coming century and beyond. Internationally known theoretical physicist and bestselling author Lawrence Krauss explores science's greatest unanswered questions. Three ...

May 27, 202359 minEp. 19

Doc Edge & The UnRedacted with Alex Lee - The Shape of Dialogue Podcast #18

Alex Lee, co-founder and director of the Doc Edge International Documentary Film Festival, talks about the worldwide banning of Meg Smaker's feature-length documentary, "The Unredacted (Jihad Rehab)". The film follows a group of men trained by al-Qaeda who are transferred from Guantanamo and sent to the world's first rehabilitation centre for "terrorists" in Saudi Arabia. Alex talks about why New Zealand's Doc Edge was the only film festival in the world to show The Unredacted after Sundance Fil...

Apr 10, 20231 hr 5 minEp. 18

Identity, Mitochondrial Gene Transfer & Science with Mike Berridge - The Shape of Dialogue Podcast No 17

Professor Mike Berridge completed a doctoral degree in cell biology at the University of Auckland in 1971 exploring the mechanism of action of plant growth hormones. Following postdoctoral research in developmental molecular biology at Purdue University, USA, and experience as a staff scientist at National Institute for Medical Research, Mill Hill, UK, he returned to Wellington in 1976 as the second Malaghan Research Fellow where he established the Cancer Cell & Molecular Biology Research Gr...

Mar 20, 20232 hr 8 minEp. 17

Metaphors with Steven Pinker The Shape of Dialogue Podcast #16

Steven Pinker is an experimental psychologist who conducts research in visual cognition, psycholinguistics, and social relations. He grew up in Montreal and earned his BA from McGill and his PhD from Harvard. Currently Johnstone Professor of Psychology at Harvard, he has also taught at Stanford and MIT. He has won numerous prizes for his research, his teaching, and his books, including The Language Instinct , How the Mind Works , The Blank Slate , The Better Angels of Our Nature , The Sense of S...

Dec 08, 202255 minEp. 16

Mātauranga Māori with Charles Royal - The Shape of Dialogue Podcast #15

About Charles Royal - http://www.charles-royal.nz/ In 2021, 7 University of Auckland professors penned a letter to the editor in the Listener, titled In Defence of Science. The professors' were responding to a Government education report (link below), recommending parity for Mātauranga Māori in the secondary school curriculum, and in particular, in the science classroom. The report states: ”Our goal is to ensure parity for mātauranga Māori with the other bodies of knowledge credentialed by NCEA ...

Aug 09, 20221 hr 59 minEp. 15

Non-science in the science classroom with Professor Anthony Poole The Shape of Dialogue Podcast No 14

Professor Anthony Poole School of Biological Sciences University of Auckland https://profiles.auckland.ac.nz/appo310 Professor Poole’s Articles Japan’s path to becoming a leader in Western science: an Asian perspective on science and other forms of knowledge (short version) Japan’s path to becoming leaders in ‘Western’ science: an Asian perspective on science and other forms of knowledge (long version) Ministry of Education’s curriculum article What is Chemistry and Biology about? In July 2021, ...

Jun 07, 20221 hr 12 minEp. 14

Mātauranga Māori & the Science Curriculum with Paul Kilmartin The Shape of Dialogue Podcast No 13

Professor Paul Kilmartin - https://unidirectory.auckland.ac.nz/profile/p-kilmartin In July 2021, seven University of Auckland professors published a letter to the editor in the New Zealand Listener, titled "In Defence of Science". The professors' were responding to a Government education report (see link below), recommending parity for Mātauranga Māori in the secondary school curriculum, and in particular, in the science classroom. The report states: ”Our goal is to ensure parity for mātauranga ...

Jun 01, 20221 hr 14 minEp. 13

Science with Lawrence Krauss The Shape of Dialogue Podcast No 12

Professor Krauss - https://www.lawrencemkrauss.com/ In 2021, seven University of Auckland professors published a letter titled In Defence of Science. The professors' were responding to a Government education report (link below), recommending parity for Mātauranga Māori in the secondary school curriculum, and in particular, in the science classroom. The report states: ”Our goal is to ensure parity for mātauranga Māori with the other bodies of knowledge credentialed by NCEA (particularly Western/P...

Apr 20, 202250 minEp. 12

Occam's Razor & Science with Professor Johnjoe McFadden - The Shape of Dialogue Podcast #11

This is part of an ongoing investigation into what is and isn't science and whether indigenous "ways of knowings" have a scientific basis. In July 2021, seven University of Auckland professors published a letter to the editor in the New Zealand Listener, titled In Defence of Science. The professors' were responding to a Government education report (see link below), recommending parity for Mātauranga Māori in the secondary school curriculum, and in particular, in the science classroom. The report...

Mar 30, 20221 hr 23 minEp. 11

Mātauranga Māori & Science with Dr Daniel Hikuroa -The Shape of Dialogue Podcast #10

Dr Daniel Hikuroa discusses Mātauranga Māori and its relationship to science and why he believes aspects of Mātauranga Māori should be included in the school science curriculum. About Dr Daniel Hikuroa - www.maramatanga.co.nz/person/dr-daniel-hikuroa Context to this conversation...... A New Zealand Government education report (see link below) is recommending parity for Mātauranga Māori [traditional Māori knowledge] in the secondary school curriculum, and in particular, in the science classroom. ...

Feb 17, 20221 hr 10 minEp. 10

Science vs "Other Ways of Knowing" with Professor Jerry Coyne - The Shape of Dialogue Podcast # 9

About Jerry Coyne - www.whyevolutionistrue.com/about/ Jerry’s Why Evolution Is True blog - “Ways of knowing” - https://tinyurl.com/3tmmx59d Email Royal Society of New Zealand chief executive paul.atkins@royalsociety.org.nz Context In July 2021, seven University of Auckland professors published a letter to the editor in the New Zealand Listener, titled In Defence of Science. The professors' were responding to a Government education report (see link below), recommending parity for Mātauranga Māori...

Feb 06, 20221 hr 41 minEp. 9
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