The Root Source of Greed: Shamans Cave

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Sandra Ingerman: Hi everyone, I'm Sandra Ingerman, and welcome to the Shaman's Cave.

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Renee Baribeau: Hi, I'm Renee Barabeau, the Practical Shaman.

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Renee Baribeau: And… We have a really important topic today.

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Renee Baribeau: and there's, you know, Sandra will have her way of framing it up, but for me, the topic is about greed, and it's about…

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Renee Baribeau: We're gonna look from a shamanic perspective about how this insatiable hunger in us

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Renee Baribeau: is never satiated, there's not enough safety, there's not enough money, there's not enough relationship, there's not enough control, there's not enough certainty, and how that backlash from that is now

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Renee Baribeau: splattering out into the world, and so people are… are not giving from their genuine hearts, they're giving for what's in it for me, instead of, if I give today, tomorrow I'm gonna be cared for.

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Sandra Ingerman: Right, yeah. Yeah, what happened for me, how this subject came up was,

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Sandra Ingerman: I had some old students visiting town, and a student who I really, really trusted

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Sandra Ingerman: who I still trust, it's not who I trusted, I still trust her. She turned me on to, a really good psychic who gave her, such unbelievable information about something she had no idea was going on in her life, and the psychic turned out to be

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Sandra Ingerman: 1000% correct. So, when I hear about people like that, either I go, well, congratulations that you found somebody that good, or because I have my own struggles, I make an appointment. So, I made an appointment with this woman.

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Sandra Ingerman: And I'm not gonna talk about my reading, I'm just gonna talk about something that she said that stimulated this whole conversation for me.

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Sandra Ingerman: And she said that, you know, you're so old, which I know, you know, I've been here

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Sandra Ingerman: I've been here forever, you know. I've always known this, that…

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Sandra Ingerman: My soul has been here for a really long time. And, she said, I'm not going to talk about the traditions, but she said, you lived in this one particular tradition that everybody who would be listening would know about.

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Sandra Ingerman: But when that tradition started, it started with everybody being in oneness.

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Sandra Ingerman: And that triggered something in me after she said that, because it didn't have much to do about my reading, it didn't have much to do about my health, it was more information.

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Sandra Ingerman: But it… I sat with it not about me. I sat with it about, wow.

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Sandra Ingerman: What happens when a race moves out of oneness?

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Sandra Ingerman: When a race moves out of oneness.

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Sandra Ingerman: That means that they've moved into division and separation.

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Sandra Ingerman: If you're no longer in oneness, the very first thing that happens is divisiveness. I mean, that's part of nature. When oneness isn't appropriate, a cell divides.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so, this is not news for anybody listening to our show, but don't you feel like you're living in a culture now that is just about divisiveness?

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Sandra Ingerman: About hate, divisiveness, I'm against… I'm for you, I'm against you, I agree with this, I don't agree with this. This is not what I want in my life. This is what I want in my life.

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Sandra Ingerman: And when you move into that amount of divisiveness that… I'm not… I'm not saying I'm not part of it. I read the news, I'm not saying that I'm in oneness about everything that's happening in the world.

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Sandra Ingerman: But what I feel is that…

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Sandra Ingerman: What this woman triggered in me by saying that you were once part of a civilization that was all one.

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Sandra Ingerman: Was it showed me the root cause of greed.

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Sandra Ingerman: Because we're all reacting to the greed that's happening in the world, definitely in America.

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Sandra Ingerman: But it's happening in the world, too, the haves and the have-nots, that's always been. There's always been the haves and the have-nots, and that's international, it's not just an American idea.

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Sandra Ingerman: But it's gotten so much worse now. It's gotten so much worse now. You know, people who were millionaires, who used to live on certain mountains, all had to leave because now the billionaires live there.

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Sandra Ingerman: You know, it's crazy. How divisive do we get? How selfish do we get? And is that the root cause of greed?

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Sandra Ingerman: Where we stop looking at the unity aspect of life, that we're part of a sacred web of life.

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Sandra Ingerman: That we're part of the elements, that all human beings, are equal.

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Sandra Ingerman: When you start losing that, then you're just looking at yourself, and what you want, and what you want for your families, but…

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Sandra Ingerman: That's just another level of greed.

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Renee Baribeau: I was just reminded of…

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Renee Baribeau: what was… oh, what was that first movie of The Secret, when The Secret came out?

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Renee Baribeau: I think for the spiritual community, that kind of gave it a license, like, this is…

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Renee Baribeau: This ability to manifest is our spiritual survival strategy.

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Renee Baribeau: You know, that you can have more… more rewards, more culture, more houses, more likes, more followers, you know, that we learned… somewhere along the line, we said, oh, let's take our magic tools, and let's see how we can

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Renee Baribeau: Get more for ourselves.

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Renee Baribeau: But if we really go back to the roots of shamanism, which were really… and Sandra, you said it in our last show, too, which were really founded in the… in nature.

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Renee Baribeau: The river doesn't try to get more water for itself.

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Renee Baribeau: The tree doesn't say, oh, I need more of the forest for my leaves.

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Renee Baribeau: they work in cooperation, but no, we want to be the king of Facebook, the queen of Instagram, and

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Renee Baribeau: the collector of experiences. If you look at the posts that go viral, how many of these 50 states have you been in, instead of

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Renee Baribeau: what were the 50 acts you did in your community this week? You know, we want this idea of that the more we have, the more we

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Renee Baribeau: Puff ourselves up spiritually, too.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, absolutely. No, I agree with that. I definitely agree with that, that all the manifestation stuff…

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Sandra Ingerman: Which I do teach a lot on manifestation, but again, people are using all the manifestation work for themselves.

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Sandra Ingerman: instead, or for the rest of life. When I was a little kid, and so I moved a lot, my parents had to keep moving, and so, I always know kind of what age I was thinking about things by what house I was living in.

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Renee Baribeau: Me too.

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Sandra Ingerman: When I was about 9 or 10, I remember having this conversation with one of my brother's friends. My brother had this best friend who was very philosophical, and I was an extremely philosophical child.

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Sandra Ingerman: And this was before I was hit by lightning. It was after… before and after I was hit by lightning. I can't say that being hit by lightning at the age of 9

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Sandra Ingerman: made me a philosophical person, because I was philosophical as soon as I was able to talk. I remember what I used to write when I was 5 years old. Nobody wrote these kinds of things when they were 5 years old.

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Sandra Ingerman: So, my brother had this friend, Barry, and I used to say to him, Barry, I don't understand why does a doctor make more money than the garbage man?

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Sandra Ingerman: Why? Can you explain that to me?

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Sandra Ingerman: Because when I was a kid, I felt that everybody should have exactly the same thing as everybody else.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so, Barry gave me this label that I attached to, and I don't even know if it's a real thing, I've never actually looked it up, but he called me a utopian socialist.

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Sandra Ingerman: who I came in at, is that why is… why does anybody have more than one per… one other person? I… I just couldn't understand that when I was a kid.

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Sandra Ingerman: And I have to say, I'm still in that same place now. I know I have more than a lot of people do, and I worked a lot, because everything is about… the way you survive is you have to…

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Sandra Ingerman: Create more, you have to create more money, you have to create more followers, you have to create more whatever, you have to write more books.

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Sandra Ingerman: But why… why aren't we at least looking at the returning to oneness, and the returning to being fair, and the returning to being equal?

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Sandra Ingerman: If… as long as we keep seeing ourselves as separate, there's always gonna be that division. There's always gonna be that greed.

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Sandra Ingerman: And greed leads to power over, and that's what we're seeing now. We're seeing a world where everything is about who can bully each country.

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Sandra Ingerman: Who can bully another race? Who can bully another,

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Sandra Ingerman: community, everything is about power over, force, taking over. And so, to me, we've moved… we've moved as far away from the principle of oneness than I think we can.

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Renee Baribeau: I think we've tried to fill that hole of our emptiness with things, classes, feeling superior, you know.

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Renee Baribeau: collecting things, collecting people. I mean, I think it stems back that we've lost our connection to nature, for me. Because if we were truly connected to nature, we'd be more concerned about, are we growing corn that's going to feed the community?

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Renee Baribeau: You know, will the tomatoes ripen so that we can have good BLTs? You know, instead of, like, I need more to fill up this hole of me.

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Renee Baribeau: Because I feel so empty inside. And that emptiness is what's magnifying out there a thousandfold.

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Sandra Ingerman: You know, if you take it even one step further, if you just take it even one step further, it's, how much do we give thanks to the food for feeding us?

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Sandra Ingerman: As we're cooking it, as we're picking it, as we're buying it, because most people aren't growing their own food, when you go to the store, do you give thanks before you put it in your shopping basket?

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Sandra Ingerman: Do you give thanks before you start cooking it? Do you give thanks before you start eating it? So, we've even lost a connection. We're even divisive.

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Sandra Ingerman: towards what's giving us life, because now they're just things. They're not living things that have a life, that have a destiny, that have a soul. You know, in shamanism, it seemed that every single thing that exists on this planet is sentient.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so, if everything is sentient, you know, like,

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Sandra Ingerman: I give thanks to my car. I give thanks to everything that helps me out. And it's not typically people that are helping me out, some form of technology that's helping me out, but I see it as alive, and I give thanks.

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Sandra Ingerman: I had a computer blueberry once, and we did a whole burial ceremony for blueberry on Facebook.

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Sandra Ingerman: And I swear, when I would get too tired of writing, Blueberry would just take over. I would just take my hands off of the keyboard for a while, but words would keep

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Sandra Ingerman: being typed on Blueberry. And so, Blueberry and me were one, and when Blueberry died, oh my god, I can't.

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Renee Baribeau: Oh, no.

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Sandra Ingerman: And it's… And the point that I'm trying to make is,

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Sandra Ingerman: We're in connection with all these forces of life.

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Sandra Ingerman: But, again, because we're in a greedy period in our culture.

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Sandra Ingerman: Do we even give thanks to anything that's giving us life at this point, or helping us out at this point? Do we just assume?

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Sandra Ingerman: everything is just here for us to use as we need. It's just… it's not… I'm not trying to judge, because I'm with all of you. I'm in my real humanness. I am not above anybody on this planet.

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Sandra Ingerman: I'm just planting seeds of things that we need to be… that I need to be, and all of us need to be thinking about right now.

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Renee Baribeau: when you said that, I was thinking about how mad I was at the grocery store last week that, you know, the coffee that I like to drink is now $16 a pound.

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Renee Baribeau: So, where is my thankfulness that I can even still get the coffee, or that, you know, all the hands that it took to pick it and roast it and grow it, and all of… all the way back, and not to mention the person that made the bag, and all of that.

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Renee Baribeau: You know, and… if I'm having that worry.

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Renee Baribeau: If all of those people all along the chain of command are having that worry instead of any gratitude, you know, there's… it's gonna…

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Renee Baribeau: You can't see me because we're only talking, but my hands are going out and out and out, and it's only gonna reverb greater and greater into the world, so just right there, saying, oh…

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Renee Baribeau: But I can buy that coffee today. Thank you to all of the people all the way back that made the bag, made the grounds, you know, did all of that.

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Renee Baribeau: just that little subtle shift sends ripples back the other way, instead of the fear ripple forward. There's not going to be enough money to pay for the next bag of coffee.

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Sandra Ingerman: Right, yeah. So, with gratitude… gratitude, as you say that, Renee, I realize that gratitude is a real way of moving out of that divisiveness, and we…

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Sandra Ingerman: Because when we're in gratitude, we realize how special

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Sandra Ingerman: Everything that we have, everything that we eat, everything that we drink, any possession we were able to get for ourselves.

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Sandra Ingerman: any kind of help that we were able to get to ourselves. Once we move into a place of gratitude, that immediately brings us into connection, starts healing the energy of greed, of, I don't have to give thanks, because

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Sandra Ingerman: Everything… everything in life is just for me.

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Renee Baribeau: Absolutely, and I've just even recently taken it a step further for myself, where it's like, I'm there, like, oh.

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Renee Baribeau: I have food in the refrigerator.

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Renee Baribeau: I'm gonna prepare it.

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Renee Baribeau: You know, I'm going to honor it, and be a little more creative with it, and be a little bit more, how can this nourish me in a way that brings me more joy through the entire process of it?

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Renee Baribeau: And even the other day, I made something, and it didn't come out as perfect as I would have liked, but it looked really good, and it tasted really good. I was so thrilled that I had given it the energy

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Renee Baribeau: And the creative energy that I was in relationship to the process, instead of throwing away vegetables because I didn't use them, and, you know, to get more.

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Sandra Ingerman: Right.

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Renee Baribeau: I know that's silly, but it was… it was at that level where I could really appreciate it.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, I, I, I saw that you posted a recipe on Facebook, I love that.

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Sandra Ingerman: And, I've started getting a little bit more into cooking, and, you know, I'm not a good cook, and I'm not like you, Renee.

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Sandra Ingerman: But there's something about when I am cooking, because I cook recipes that do take me… number one, I need to adapt everything because of my husband's and my diet.

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Sandra Ingerman: So I have to adapt everything, so I have to really put time into what's gonna make this recipe taste as good with leaving out these 5 ingredients that neither of us can handle. But I find that the act of interacting with my food,

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Sandra Ingerman: As I'm cooking, it brings something so special to me.

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Renee Baribeau: Hmm.

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Sandra Ingerman: I wake up in the morning thinking about the meal that I cooked, and it's not just… it's not just around taste, it's around the energy that I put into it.

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Sandra Ingerman: And how it felt like it fed me so well, and how much better I feel because of the energy that I put into it.

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Sandra Ingerman: So, you know, the energy we put in, the gratitude we put in.

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Sandra Ingerman: not always looking at, well, now we're at the plan… the time of the planet where everybody's become so greedy, I just really need to focus on myself right now, because nobody else is focusing on anybody else, so I might as well just focus on myself.

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Sandra Ingerman: And that… I think that… for me, that all leads into the root cause of how greed even

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Sandra Ingerman: even manifested on this planet Earth.

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Sandra Ingerman: as soon as we moved into division, and I'm not saying shamanic cultures moved into a lot of division, the wars were pretty awful that went on between shamanic cultures, so we're not trying to make anybody look like

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Sandra Ingerman: Oh, they had so much more than we did.

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Sandra Ingerman: Greed is part of the human condition, but if you look at where greed actually comes from.

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Sandra Ingerman: It's the loss of unity.

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Renee Baribeau: Yeah, that's such… I mean, that really sums it all up, and what you were talking about is that you had that unifying experience with your food when you cook it.

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Renee Baribeau: or when you're in relationship to it, or… it doesn't mean, you know, it doesn't mean going over to the synagogue and having that, you know, relationship. You can just start to find it again in the little small things in your life.

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Renee Baribeau: like…

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Renee Baribeau: oh, did I get one thing from the show today that reminded me, oh, yeah, I've been… I've been… I've been bypassing my accountability.

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Renee Baribeau: You know, I've been, you know, searching for something that is outside of me that I don't need. I mean, all of those… all of… I'm not sharing…

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Renee Baribeau: You know, when I cooked that, I immediately brought half down to a friend. I'm not sharing. It's… it's those little ways that we… when we're feeling like we're not getting enough for ourselves, that we need to give more.

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Sandra Ingerman: Exactly. And that's step-by-step, it's small, but look at where we are.

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Sandra Ingerman: And, you know, look at where we need to get to. So we're looking at what are those tiny steps that we need to make that brings humanity back to understanding the principle of oneness.

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Sandra Ingerman: And that we're all part of an Earth community, and that we have to take care of each other, not just ourselves.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so, I think that's the next step for the healing of what is going on, because the planet has…

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Sandra Ingerman: I don't know… I'm sure it can happen, but I don't know how the planet can get more greedy. I'm not sure. I'm sure there's a way.

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Sandra Ingerman: But, we need to start healing that, and we need to start healing that now. And so we need to start to look at those really simple ways that bring us back into connection.

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Sandra Ingerman: And remind us that we're actually all one, and we need to make sure that we're taking care of everybody, not just one, but we're taking care of everybody, because we're living in the energy of oneness.

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Renee Baribeau: I love that, and I think that's a really good closing spot. You can't say anything more than being in oneness, and

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Renee Baribeau: And I think that that's the reason that our show has gone on for so long, is because

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Renee Baribeau: we show up.

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Renee Baribeau: you know, Sondra does her part, I do my part, and we show up to be of service. There isn't, like, oh, did I get this, or did I get that, or, you know, it's… it's… and…

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Renee Baribeau: I think that that is what can ripple out forward if we just really keep starting to show up in the little ways that we can in our life, and then if we feel like, well, I'm doing all the giving, well, that's when you gotta give more.

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Sandra Ingerman: Right, yeah.

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Sandra Ingerman: And on that note, you know, we really appreciate the support that we get on the Shaman's Cave, and any donations that you want to give, so that we're one community. It's not, Sondra and Renee doing this for you, that…

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Sandra Ingerman: We've entered a place of oneness, and if you like the show, it's because

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Sandra Ingerman: We're creating community. We're creating a community that understands the principle of the need for equality and oneness, and to move away from the sickness of greed.

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Sandra Ingerman: And so, if you want to help support us, it's not a greedy ask, it's actually about equality.

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Sandra Ingerman: Are you giving some energy back to the show if you're getting something from the show? And that's just something that you have to sit within your own heart.

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Sandra Ingerman: There's no judgment about it. It's about what's in your own heart.

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Renee Baribeau: I bet you, I want to put out this bet. If you go over to Amazon and buy one of each of our books.

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Renee Baribeau: I guarantee you're gonna feel better about the next time you listen to our show.

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Sandra Ingerman: But yeah, that's interesting. I like that.

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Renee Baribeau: Alright, well, on that note, we'll see you over at the Shaman's Cave. You can find us over at Shaman's TV, and we will see you again soon.

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Sandra Ingerman: Yeah, and I hope everybody's actually inspired. I am so inspired to start moving my energy back into equality and oneness.

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Sandra Ingerman: I'm so inspired by that right now, and I hope that we inspired you in the same way. Thank you for all the good work that you are doing to be a better human right now. We really appreciate that, and thank you for listening to the Shaman's Cave, and we love you.