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The Sewers of Paris

Matt Baumewww.mattbaume.com
Revealing stories about the books, movies, tv, music and more that have changed the lives of gay men. Each week, a guest plucks a piece of entertainment from their past, and answers the question: how did it change your life?
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Episodes

Lucy Would Not Take This Down (Ep 466 Lucille Ball/Eli McCann)

My guest this week is Eli McCann , a lawyer, a humor columnist for the Salt Lake Tribune , and a devotee of Lucille Ball since the age of six. That made him an easy kid to shop for, and by the time he was a teen he’d amassed a treasure trove of Lucy memorabilia … which nearly led to a crisis when he caught wind of his classmates’ plan to ambush him at home and reveal what had been, until then, a mostly private obsession. We’ll have that conversation in a minute. First, a reminder that if you lik...

May 02, 202437 minEp. 466

Living a Superhero Lifestyle (Ep 465 - Scooby Doo/Tim Fish)

My guest this week is writer and artist Tim Fish . I first came across his work in the book Liebestrasse , written by Greg Lockard and illustrated by Tim. It’s the story of two men connecting in Berlin in the leadup to World War II, and it’s typical of Tim’s interests — personal, emotional, and thoughtful. Tim’s always been interested in comics, but for many years it was something of a secret identity for him — a passion that he thought was just a hobby, until he turned thirty and realized he wa...

Apr 25, 202451 min

Gay Male Student #1 (Ep 464 - Carol Burnett/Justin Root)

Next week, comedy legend Carol Burnett turns 91 years old, and in honor of her amazing career and life, for this week’s episode of the Sewers of Paris podcast we’re diving into the archives to revisit my 2018 chat with Carol superfan Justin Root . Justin’s entry to showbiz was kind of a cliché: a pretty young face who arrives in LA with no plan other than getting famous in movies. And yet, within a few days of moving from Ohio to Hollywood, Justin found himself in front of movie cameras. It didn...

Apr 18, 20241 hr 20 minEp. 464

I Love F***-Ups (Ep 463 - Another World/Rasheed Newson)

My guest this week is author Rasheed Newson , a TV writer who got his start on the show Lie to Me and has gone on to write for The 100, Narcos, Bel Air , and more. Last year his debut novel, My Government Means to Kill Me , made a big splash — it’s the story of a young gay black man who moves to New York during the HIV epidemic. And although Rasheed didn’t experience that world first-hand, he discovered during his writing process that in a strange way, he’d been preparing himself to tell that st...

Apr 11, 202455 minEp. 463

Loners & Misfits (Ep 462 - Silence of the Lambs/Monty Wolfe)

My guest this week is director Monty Wolfe, whose queer romcom Exploding Boy is now available on streaming. Monty’s path to filmmaking took a lot of swerves over the decades — starting with a teacher who saw the potential in a young teenager, and maybe something a little queer. That was followed by some less helpful guidance from other adults in his life, a job at a news station that he landed by accident, a decision to completely upend his life and move across the country in part to get as far ...

Apr 04, 202453 minEp. 462

Sci-Fi, Soaps, and Sports (Ep 461 - Jesse/All My Children)

My guest this week is Jesse Murray, who got hooked on soap operas as a kid when he watched them with his mom … and then as an adult, found himself working in writer’s rooms at ABC, helping to make soap operas for a new generation. As a young viewer, Jesse’s enthusiasm for the soaps was bolstered when he saw gay teenage characters on daytime TV. It’s a measure of inclusivity that’s steadily improved in the years since — thanks to folks behind the scenes who appreciated its importance. We’ll have ...

Mar 28, 202452 minEp. 461

I Don't Know When I Lost My Sense of Shame (Ep 460 - Dayspring/Anthony Oliveira)

My guest this week is Anthony Oliveira, whose new book Dayspring comes out this Easter, April 2, 2024. That’s a particularly suitable pub date, since the book is an exploration of how Christian ideas can infuse and are infused by queer love. Anthony’s a returning guest to The Sewers of Paris — I last spoke to him back in 2017 , when our conversation focused on monsters and villains and standing in opposition to so-called decent society. Now, nearly a decade later, Anthony’s found himself engaged...

Mar 21, 202439 minEp. 460

Legendary Slumber Parties (Ep 459 - Robert Patrick/Greenwich Village)

This week, March 17, marks 54 years since the premiere of the groundbreaking film The Boys in the Band . Set in a New York apartment in the 1960s and based on the play by Mort Crowley, it was one of the first major movies to feature majority-queer characters. And to mark that 54th birthday, for this week’s Sewers of Paris I wanted to revisit my conversation with someone who knew the world of 60s Greenwich Village very well, playwright Robert Patrick. Robert wandered into the Village as an unsusp...

Mar 14, 202443 minEp. 459

The Silver Age of Queer Cinema (Ep 458 - Tyler/It's a Sin)

My guest this week is my friend and colleague Tyler Albertario , a writer and researcher with a magnetic enthusiasm for queer history and culture. Tyler always had an interest in our vast queer past, but it was a chance viewing of a show about gay life in the 80s that turned it into a more serious field of study — and that’s led to some of his fascinating insights into the silver age that we’re living in right now. We’ll have that conversation in a minute. First, a quick reminder that if you lik...

Mar 07, 202440 minEp. 458

People Who Have Real Magic (Ep 457 - Ryan/Dune)

For this week’s episode, the recent release of Dune Part 2 reminded me of a Sewers of Paris episode from 2018 where my guest Ryan and I talked about the grip that fear can have on a person’s mind. Ryan grew up in a rough environment, where his parents subjected him to devastating homophobia and dangerous "ex-gay" treatments. After Ryan legally emancipated himself from his family, what followed was a period of homelessness and addiction that took years for him to overcome. But overcome them he di...

Feb 29, 202438 minEp. 457

Very Powerful Women (Ep 456 - Paul/The Eyes of Laura Mars)

My guest this week is artist Paul Robinson , who just launched a fantastic new project called Twelve Soldiers . It’s a year-long series of monthly profiles, spotlighting heroes of the queer community — and it’s just one of the ways that Paul hopes to give back to a community that’s been very good to him. Starting from the early days of his career as a photographer, working with friends like Lara Flynn Boyle and Jennifer Tilley, to his more recent projects like elevating the work of emerging film...

Feb 22, 202438 minEp. 456

A Writer's Job (Ep 455 - Wicked/Gregory Maguire)

There’s a new trailer out for the upcoming Wicked movie, so I thought it was a good time to dive into the Sewers archives to revisit my chat with Gregory Maguire, author of the Wicked novel, among many other works. Though I’m sure you’re familiar with his book and the musical adaptation, you may not know the extent to which Gregory’s childhood was infused with elements of fairytale — from the fantasy novels he devoured, to the family tragedy that led to his time in an orphanage. We’ll have that ...

Feb 15, 20241 hr 1 minEp. 456

If I Drown Myself in my Bathtub for my Art, so Be it (Ep 454 - Sam/Pushing Up Daisies)

My guest this week is a sort of collector of culture. Sam is the co-host of a YouTube series called P and S — be careful not to say it too quickly in polite company — where he and his friend Ewan dissect the strangest pop culture artifacts they can find. Sam’s sensibility was shaped in part by stories about fictional oddballs finding each other. And now through his own videos and comedy, he’s creating culture that helps oddballs find each other in real life. You can find more of Sam’s work via I...

Feb 08, 202451 minEp. 454

I Didn't Know I Could Love Someone Like That (Ep 453 - Mark/Rent)

My guest this week is Mark Daley. Mark’s background is in politics, and included some time as communications director for Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign. But a few years ago, he stumbled across an opportunity to apply his advocacy skills in a new arena, when he and his partner became parents — under circumstances that were not exactly what they’d planned. Mark has a new book out entitled Safe — it’s a look back at how he became a dad, how he maintained a family amidst the challenges of ...

Feb 01, 202433 minEp. 453

How Much Can We Get Away With? (Ep 452 - David/The Muppets)

My guest this week is David Levy, co-host of the Muppeturgy podcast. David thrives when he’s putting on a show, goofing around with friends, finding ways to make an audience laugh — but finding the best way to do that took some trial and error and a bit of a lawsuit. We’ll have that conversation in a minute. First, a couple quick announcements, starting with a reminder that if you like this podcast, you’ll probably like my newsletter. Every week I share fun stories about the making of beloved mo...

Jan 25, 202459 minEp. 452

I Live My Life Like Performance Art (Ep 451 - Dean FM/That's So Raven)

My guest this week is Dean FM , a genderqueer rapper from Massachusetts. Dean was always a colorful kid and loved to escape into music — but never considered that it might become a career until a series of setbacks made him re-evaluate where he was living and what he was doing with his life. Dean just released a new album — there’s a link to that in the shownotes — and he has big dreams for what’s next. We’ll have that conversation in a minute. First, a couple quick announcements, starting with ...

Jan 18, 202429 minEp. 451

Everything but the Snakes (Ep 450 - Joseph/Worship songs)

This month sees the return of the Ryan Murphy series Feud, with its first new season in about five years. The topic this time is Truman Capote and his battles with high society. In honor of Capote’s return to the zeitgeist, for this week’s episode we’re diving into the sewers archives to revisit my 2017 conversation with Joseph Krebs, for whom Truman’s work played a pivotal role. Josef's done a lot of thinking about the impact he can have on the world, whether through the evangelical church wher...

Jan 11, 20241 hr 3 minEp. 450

It's Worthwhile to Fall in Love (Ep 449: Jin/Tales of the City)

Sorry this episode’s coming a day late! I’m recovering from laryngitis and still can’t talk, so you’ll hear a Very Special Guest introducing this week’s episode. My guest this week is Jin De Luong, author of the novel Naked Love Berlin. Jin never intended to uproot his life and move across the planet. But on what was supposed to be a short vacation, he fell in love — first with a city, and then with a man. And he took a cue from one of his favorite literary icons and let an adventure carry him a...

Jan 05, 202437 minEp. 449

The Sewers of Paris: Best of 2023

I can’t believe this is the case, but we’re just about at the end of 2023 — somehow — and I figured this was a good time to look back at some of my favorite Sewers of Paris episodes of the past year. From a New Orleans ghost-hunter who was inspired by Monty Python, to queer romance novels, to bad gays, to the shocking stories behind 1970s couture, I was lucky enough to chat with a lot of really intriguing guests over the last 12 months. So for this year-end episode, I’ve gathered the first few m...

Dec 28, 202337 minEp. 448

I Wanted to be a Rock Star (Ep 447 - David Bowie/Scott Shoemaker)

As we veer ever closer to Christmas, this week's episode is a dive into the Sewers of Paris archives for a chat with Scott Shoemaker. Along with his partner Freddie, Scott’s great passion is live weird theater, which manifests in such projects as an ongoing series of live shows in which he plays a boozy pill-popping version of Ms Pac Man, or his annual Christmas show where he finds new ways every year to ruin and then hastily repair the holidays. Growing up, Scott dreamed of being a rock star — ...

Dec 21, 202356 minEp. 447

A Dream I Didn't Know I Had (Ep 446 - Justin Randall/Girls)

My guest this week is New York comedian Justin Randall , who was a very different person when he moved to the big city a few years ago. Back then he was a closeted actor, and the idea of coming out seemed like a distant dream — and not a good one. But things changed when he started getting up on stage as a stand-up comedian, and discovered the liberating power of making people laugh … and of making fun of the things that once seemed scary. We’ll have that conversation in a minute. First, a coupl...

Dec 14, 202345 minEp. 446

Brave Families (Ep 445- David & Melinda/Ordinary People & Wings of Desire)

We have two guests this week — filmmakers Melina Maerker and David Miller are the co-creators of a new documentary entitled We Live Here: The Midwest , which follows a variety of brave families enduring challenging circumstances as queer people in conservative parts of the country. Both Melinda and David came to filmmaking out of a desire to tell other peoples’ stories, and create a space where people can feel listened to — inspired, in their early careers, by two very different films. We’ll hav...

Dec 07, 202343 minEp. 445

Sissy Diva Worship (Ep 444 - Lucas/Cyndi Lauper)

My guest this week is Lucas Hilderbrand , author of the new book The Bars Are Ours , which provides a deep look at the history of gay bars. Before he launched into this intriguing field of study, Lucas bounced around queer culture for several years, looking for the place where he fit in — a journey that included a particularly traumatic experience in musical theater. And it’s probably not a surprise that his attention focused on the ways that queer people connect with each other, and the things ...

Nov 30, 202347 minEp. 444

Underground Culture (Ep 443 - Walter & Matt/The Smiths & To Kill a Mockingbird)

A new biopic just debuted on Netflix entitled Rustin, about the incredible life of Bayard Rustin — a civil rights leader who worked with Martin Luther King Jr. And this week, we’re diving into the Sewers of Paris archives to hear my 2017 interview with Bayard’s surviving partner, Walter Naegle, as well as with filmmaker Matt Wolf, who made a documentary about Walter entitled Bayard and Me . In addition to playing a key role in advising Martin Luther King Jr, Bayard also worked on behalf of refug...

Nov 23, 202347 minEp. 444

Why Do People Live Like This? (Ep 442 - Eric/Kennedy Center Honors)

My guest this week is historian Eric Gonzaba, whose fascinating work includes the Wearing Gay History archive — a collection of vintage queer t-shirts — and Mapping the Gay Guides, an accounting of queer travel guides from the 60s and 70s. Eric’s interest in history was piqued at an early age, when he developed an obsession for the Kennedy Center Honors, which pay annual tribute to lifetime innovators in the cultural fields. And it’s through his field of study that he continues to explore our so...

Nov 16, 202344 minEp. 442

Playing With Toys All Over Again (Ep 441 - Tim/Transformers)

My guest this week is an old friend. I first met Tim Sheridan about a decade ago, when we were both writers trying to figure out how to make a living doing what we loved. Well, it took some time, but we both figured it out. Today, Tim’s the celebrated writer of major movies and comics, from Justice League to He-Man and Transformers and Batman and Superman. His latest series is Alan Scott: The Green Lantern , which explores the story of a superhero hiding his homosexuality in the 1940s. We’ll hav...

Nov 09, 202337 minEp. 441

I Stopped Praying and I Became an Actor (Ep 439 - Ray/Barney Miller)

My guest this week is actor Ray Stewart, who first came to my attention in the role of Darryl Driscoll on the 70s sitcom Barney Miller. Ray played half of a same-sex couple at a time when such characters were vanishingly rare. But you’ve also seen him on everything from The Bob Newhart Show to Benson to Days of Our Lives and more — and that’s not even touching on his career in film and Broadway. Ray’s work has taken him around the world and across countless stages, and at 91 years old he’s still...

Oct 26, 202356 minEp. 439

The Girl that Wasn't Supposed to be Famous (Ep 438 - Karel/Barbra Streisand)

My guest this week is Karel Bouley. Back in the 90s, Karel and his partner Andrew Howard were the first openly queer couple to host a major market drive time radio show in the US. And after Andrew unexpectedly passed away in the early 2000s, Karel helped change California laws around suing for wrongful death. For leaving a mark in those and many other ways, the city of Long Beach will recognize the couple with a ceremony next week, adding them to the local wall of fame in Harvey Milk Plaza. I ta...

Oct 19, 202350 minEp. 438

Something More Than Just a Secret (Ep 437 - Wilson/Will & Grace)

I’m speaking this week with Wilson Paulino, who co-hosts the Wilferland podcast with his partner Fernando. Wilson grew up in a pretty idyllic tourist town in the Dominican Republic, where life was good … as long as he didn’t talk about who he really was. Quietly closeted, he watched gay couples on American TV shows, living lives that seemed impossibly far away. But meeting his partner helped open a new chapter for them both — one that bears surprising resemblance to some of their favorite fictio...

Oct 12, 202340 minEp. 437

People Wearing Masks (Ep 436 - Hocus Pocus/Rantasmo)

In honor of the start of October, the spookiest month, this week we’re diving into the Sewers of Paris archives to hear my 2015 interview with Jamie Mauer, who you may also know as Rantasmo, the creator of the Needs More Gay YouTube series. Jamie grew up loving unsettling stories — like a lot of queer people. For those of us who feel pressure to hide their true selves, horror and fantasy — and particularly Halloween — provide a chance to trade one mask for another, be someone new, and scare ever...

Oct 05, 202340 minEp. 436
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