Welcome to the self help podcast, a weekly 9 it's sky dedicated to your emotional health and Well being presented by Entrepreneur, Edward Lamb and psycho shawn north For more information, visit live the president dot c dot uk. Okay. Hello. Welcome to your episode. Episode 518 of the self help podcast with me at lamb and we could pile shaun off with you alright shaun. I am. So a few little technical issues there before we got started? Yeah. And how do we fix it? We turned it off and we turned
it back on again. There you go. The... When doubt. Is there an advice there, or anything we can when technology tends to appreciate that. Does it work for human beings? It does that's what they did with my heart when it would work. They said we'll stop it and start at the again cardio version. What's the worst that could happen? Yeah. It doesn't start again. But that it did work first time. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Plumbing computers. So good when they work. Yeah. Way this thing works 99 percent of
the time. But when they don't... It's the right fa, Ai. But, what we're talking about today Sean on truth and lies, Yeah. I'd I've I've had so many people. Collectively and individually. Talking about the the fact that we've just had the election. And also told about the election in France, it seems to kicks a lot of people here. But people saying they're all effing liars, and they promise all this stuff, and they won't deliver anyway.
And and Kia Would come out and said they were gonna build so many houses in, whatever time. Yep. And then everybody, the I spoken to. I can't find anybody that is gonna yeah, That's good idea. They're saying well it's all bloody lies because they won't do it. And then and then when they do, they've got this and releasing plots to build them. They're gonna release all the lovely green lands and and all the brown land that be just left. You know, there was... Excuse me while. Coffee
machine switches off. Yeah. So yeah. We've found a general elections since the last 1 that we're gonna talk about the future of the Uk and yeah. You know, I'm a small scale local politician myself. So I'll add my little perspective on. Yeah. How, I do my best to tell the truth at all times. Yeah. Yeah. But before that, I live in the present dot code at uk for all the show notes and links as ever, available on the website.
You can sign up via the email address for a regular ish alerts to whenever we managed... I managed to find times to publish the the in episode of the show? Yeah. Life's been crazy hasn't... It's been hectic tech and that. I know and I keep thinking it or get. A bit more simple. And I think it's probably, you know, 678 years. We've been doing this. We we keep regular listeners will know that we've probably been hoping for peace and quiet in our lives for a
long time. But... Yeah. It doesn't come. Does it no? No. Gosh. No. 1 1 set of issues up another And then you you go and get elected and, and I. Oh, yeah. Works working your way up to me the promo. And I just do this for a couple of years, and then then then we can chill out and like, oh, no. I want this mud merry go round. Okay. Anyway, but, yeah, Clearly before we start, you posted something into your Facebook. Oh, in the week I saw about an
anniversary Percy pig. Yeah. Interesting because and 6 of July, 2 years ago, I had the mitral valve in my heart replaced, which is all lost of fun. And if it wasn't percy pig contributing that valve, I wouldn't be here. Nope. And that was really weird because I I was veggie at the time. And it was really odd to make that decision to agree to have that vow. Vegetarian. Right? Yeah. But yeah. Well, you're not ingesting it. Are you?
But you're still... It's... I mean, Percy sell to give up his life to give me the valves. Yeah. I mean, yeah. Vegetarians not have, like, blood transfusion or do they go? Some some will be really? Well They were haven't been. I mean, I ended up I to have 6 units of blood and so Was I had no pigs blood. No people. It could've have been. And put in and had to have the new valve. Yeah. And my blood count was so low.
That I ended up eating meat again, and it's... I to get what your iron levels are for or good goodness no. And I... I'm at a point at the moment where I'm, especially with the anniversary of Percy day. Yep. I'm thinking, should I go back to being veggie again? I do it. I'm, I'm going through those kind of internal conflicts. At least you're here with us to have those kind of your to go through all that stuff. Yeah. I thought I'd be with Percy. Where the person.
Yeah chatting out with him. Yeah. I wonder what percy he's up to. But, yeah. No 1 consistently here. 2 years since the operation, which means it's probably about 2 and 8 years. Well, you on the downward spiral for 6 months a year before that 1, yeah. I I had I didn't realize why Had a background sepsis that turned into gosh. I remember that remember you were in amsterdam and you were just... Oh, god. Yeah. You're right old. Yeah. I mean, little behind ended up falling off
a bike. You did Yeah. Do we you did... You ever tell it? You a better half about that or Man and we kept under us. And we stopped at a junction there doing week. And I just follow. And you just went sideways and Yeah. Laughed it off and got back up. Yeah. But you're in bed every night but like 06:00 man. I was... I I I've didn't wear how ill wasn't until lot wallet. We did a... I put you through a lot of walking that hole at that Was a holiday. It was work, but we were. Yeah. Yeah. We were just
that taken in the city. Right? Yeah. It was good good Need to going again. We should go again. Now you've got a new heart Yeah. Part of your cardio rehabilitation should be... Yeah. But I start Helping think Started Cardio, rehab now. Right? Which is good. Well, you go, Speak rehab and say, Yeah. Getting to pay for some trade tickets to yeah sit down again. Yeah. Go or go and we live it. Can we take our own bikes at so. Well, I wish just hire them when over there? Good to those bikes Yeah yeah
Yeah. Yeah. Alright. We we should do that? That'd be a laugh. Anyway, truth and I. So, yeah. Tell tell us the gist of your part you have your blog post. It's just for the where we seem to be at a point in our, our social life. Mh. Where nobody believes anything anybody says anymore. And like these politicians come out and say what they say. And a few people will follow them because they're followers Yep. But the majority of people present whether they're all liars on there. So they just
lie. You know. But then when you you get into it with them, they then say, well, you know, like, the managers of the same, you know, where I work and you. Yeah. What, the people do. You okay? Yeah. And all, or you got politics. You've got business, You got social media, and it's... And and the attitude since being loved everyone's just for a bullshit. You know, And they say you can't believe. You know I was gonna say anything else Yeah. And you can't believe it. I don't
know. We, you know, Our green party counselor. For those that don't know and we did a lot of campaigning price of the election in Be, and the new constituency of Broken head where we thought we had a semi decent chance of making a dent. You know. We came a strong second, by the way, greens, which is pretty cool. Exciting. Good. But, yeah. You know, when you're out and about local politics and national politics a bit different
because... Yeah. Yeah. Your local counselor should be a bit more hands are and a bit more, you know, you, you know, every little hedge in every little pavement that needs fix it. And I feel like local counsel has perhaps have a slightly better reputation in terms of, you know, trying to be out there and help in where I think can. Not all, but that's certainly we try and do. But, you know, They'll there'll be people that
dislike me. And in fact, when I got elected, so we got a very good in my ward, we were the highest, polling candidates across all the world. But even that, I think it was 45 percent turnout on for the local election of people that could vote, less than half did. And then of the people that did vote, maybe only 30, 40 percent voted for for us or 50 percent. So, like, a quarter of the people who can vote in Bev, Did vote for us Mh for me, which isn't twin... It's not massive visit.
But, I mean, yeah. So who knows what our reputation is a lot of people won't even know, that I exist. And, we were... I was away for the general election result night I was working down in exeter. So I was in a pub watching the exit poll with a load of academics just doing some work with them. So we went to the pub? And someone of our group went to the the bar staff and said, can you put the tele on so we can watch the big result?
Or and but there was 2 or 3 members of the bar stuff and none of them knew what we were talking about, Like, what you mean? What results? And they were like, oh, we said up with the election, you know, a big the exit paul in 10 minutes, and they were like, oh, is that today? Crazy Like, what what planet you living on and part of that is it's funny, but it's also, you know, maybe they don't have a hype reputation of politicians. But if you don't even
know there's a woman election on. What right do you do we have to complain about, you know, the lack of trust because off off people don't even know it's going up. And it's crackers. Crazy. So we got some work to do don't we? Yeah. To rebuild trust. Yeah. But but the idea about, and, if you're a young person, and you're brought up in a world the where you're told. That you can't actually believe anything anybody says.
Mh. You know, what does that mean for teachers for... I mean, obviously, politicians. But do you assume everybody appears on the screen he's just talking Bullshit or... Yeah. I hope not because that's quite a poisonous thing isn't it that can well it has been working way through society for a for a while and, it's not healthy. But what we've had some stunning examples. Someone, obviously, you got the putin's and people like that. But with Donald Trump. And it's like
all the legal technicalities around him. Yeah. And then what we we had Bo ourselves and all those interesting and things about party game and stuff like that. Yep. And and when you're in a situation where someone at that level, and we'll create a rule that you've gotta follow. Yeah. And they'll do exactly the opposite. You know, Can you believe people? Can you trust people? I know. We're living in times where we're talking about change and
Yeah. For a lot of this stuff and people don't react well to change all that well often. And I guess, the tricky part that we have now thinking environment is that we have to make a lot of change very quickly. Massive scale, you know, population level stuff. So but the problem that we have is that if we can't trust the people that are telling these things. How do we know what to do? Yeah. Especially if you're a younger person?
And someone saying, you know, we need to do this to say at the planet is the device in the back of your head thinking and us know, bubbles. I wonder know what they're gonna get out of it. And I mean, that's the problem. Mh. And and it's like, if you think about it, add all the public figures around. Who would you say? Well, yes, there were really trustworthy for only person. They're a good person. You could trust them? And I think that's quite hard at the moment. It it's tricky.
I think it's probably overstated. You know, most folks that I meet within the council are pretty good on the whole. I've just had an email about some Tory who's trying to kick up a fuss about a cycle lane, so which is frustrating me somewhat. I need to formulated good response to that. Sorry to... But, you know, but I know it's pop very popular to Bash on tori now about geez, meant they're so annoying. Some of them. Yeah.
Can you trust anything that they say. But that's all can I start it you say? Well for because we're rid of the tory now aren't we, you know, and that was a big part of the election for a lot of people when I was doing knocking, they just wanted to rid the tory, you know, whatever it took because like him or not. I think people just wanted a change. And in fact, that was the labour party. Name Motto was near a change. But it's changed gonna be enough because... Yeah.
Okay. It's not just enough to get rid of someone else. You've gotta have your own vision in your own. And a lot of frustration for left leaning folks the that the green party has been pulling in is that the labor message wasn't strong enough. And they're not gonna be delivering. They're not honest enough about the environment. They're not delivering enough change in terms of social justice and But but it... If you look at the processes going across the world where the world is moving
towards the right. Yeah. Yeah. Which is the kind of fascist thing that happened before the war. Yeah. Heard about that. Yeah. Yeah And when when when I look at, I don't know whether it was Far ar lot that did for the conservatives. He would claim it is. And his his voice saying we're gonna come out of the labour party next. Now, if people believe raj because he makes a lot of noise. And could be more plausible than the others people like Kia
required wouldn't Mh in their presentation. You know, does that mean that people will go with hours. Yeah. So we move further to the right. And and then Yeah. That creates the conflict. That creates wars to me. Historically when I look at it. Yeah. There's a show I need. I think it's only... I I play at the moment about the rise of the Nazis, and it's focusing it's focusing on that. 20 years before World
or 2 kicked off period. I've been told to watch it because it's quite pre in terms of where we are at the moment. So... Yeah, you know, I'm not 1 of those kinda necessarily jumping on the Kia awful bandwagon. You know, He had a tactic. He worked can hopefully, you can stabilize things with his team. I think I think it it is down to everything that you set up at this point. Fabulous It's okay. What you're gonna do now. Yeah. I actually seeing what happens. And I only know that over time. Yeah.
It's been felt quite interesting in the first few days since and the put appointments made in messaging that's been sent out. From my point of view, it's been okay. That's quite cool. Yeah. At least it seems sort of, like, the grown ups are in charge in some way. And Mh really interested that. Appointment. The prisons minister, mister Tim is it, the the businessman who owns Tim, you know, Cobb isn't and lung.
He's... I don't... I didn't... Wasn't aware prior to it, but he's got quite an interesting in prison service and how we... I think that they actually Tim provide working, experiencing things for people coming out present? Yeah. I think they do a lot of that kind of some stuff. So he's talking a lot about he has in the past. About how he wants to reduce the pressure on the prisons by having fewer prisoners, you know, and not being so obsessed with punishments. And, you know,
retribution against people over. It it interesting because I I worked in both the prison service and high security forensic psychiatry. And the amount of times, I would be in the prisons, and and the people that were in there inmates. Many of them were really psychiatric associations. There should have been in hospital not in prison. Yeah. I can't remember the proportion be. I think that's why he said roughly, a third people, are are in prison need to be in prison. You know? Another. Another
nerds. Yeah. Need to be in some sort of health care, and then it third probably don't need to be in prison, and they can be out in society, you know, keep, being kept an eye on and Yeah. You know. But they're allowed to live with their kids and their families and their, Yeah. They're kept an eye on them looked after. A bit more. But but the amount of therapeutic need for people and prisons is huge. It's
just not that. Mh. You know, and to be banged up, that 1 of the places I was, and they would bang the prisoners up for 23 hours a day. Mh. You know, they were allowed out to empty their toilet pots. And they were allowed out for an hour's exercise and to get their food. But I mean, effectively, that was it. Yeah. I guess that kind of... It was talk... I heard it talk about that culture of punishment in the Uk and how we're... We're a bit of obsessed on aren't we... You know the closest to
countries too about. Punishing people that do wrong, whether that's children being, you know, smack or or people that have, you know, committed crime being sent jail, you know, and serving their time rather than sometimes children don't respond well to being in hit a a lot of the time. Sometimes people that, I don't know, could stolen something, the the the best thing isn't for them to go to jail. You're gonna make it you're gonna make the problem worse, You
know? I I think that the question that we don't ask, and we don't ask for lots of of reasons, but it's like, when someone does something, We look at what they've done and we're... We we react to that rather than looking at why did they do it? Yeah. What was it that led them doing that thing. Absolutely. And I'm not suggesting that we find excuses for people. But we might find reasons, which help us solve the problem. Hope so. Hopefully, we'll get about, you know, some deeper level of thinking.
And we're we're a strange little Island down for of fascinating people. And we'll see. But, yeah. Go back to the kind of mandate thing about my own story, but I mean Ke And his team and men and women, were, I think they got 36 percent of the votes and they but stick got 60 percent of the seats. Thanks to our. Which, I mean, I'll be few and if I was a well, a green party. We got 8 percent of the vote, and we got, like, 1 percent of seats. So...
And... But it's even more pre pronounced for reform who got 14, 15 percent and 5 seats. So Of... Our voting system and how we distribute the power is a bit... Did do you think that the first pass to post system doesn't work. Oh, and it should be proportionate representation mean, it works for for a certain. Do they delivers strong governments? Doesn't it a lot of the time. Mh. But, no. It's not fair. And I think we're 1 of the only countries in the world that still
stick cling onto to it. But we're won the only countries in the world that has seats that opposite each other in parliament and... Yeah. Most places are a whole show. Yeah. No. I think we needed fundamental restructure of and of that. And you wonder how that would impact on the public's perception of power and, you know, trust in poll in politicians.
I don't. I mean, plenty of other the countries have that, you know, a proportional system, but there's dis still hate politicians and politics and I I can remember going around the houses parliament and when I the answer. And it was the the red lines in front of each of the seats and saying to the the guy. What what those? And he said, those are the lines where you're not allowed to cross to separate the 2 2 boxes. So why do you separate Those lines are 2 so
lengths apart. Oh yeah. So they couldn't kill each other. They run now to go that. Yeah. Which is a real kind of confrontation parliament. Isn't it... It is... Yeah. Yep. But we are where we are aren't me, but... I mean, is there hope you think in the coming years? Or do you think can you see things just spiraling more and more out control? Or... I... What 1 of my fears is that we go back into a third world war kind of scenario, which could be quite devastating.
Yes. I would have thought so. Yeah. Because what... You know, if you forget the people and think of it of the weapons, and people pressing buttons. Mh. You know, what would be that far towards may be sane, but it may be a huge reduction in the population? I don't know. I don't know. I yeah. That should been a of very scary thought, but, I mean, But I I think that the more that people can tell the truth. And the more than people can believe that they're telling the truth then the more sanity
we're gonna have. Yeah. And it... And that's the thing is that I I suppose the issue is we talk about wires and the wide lies and all round kinds up. But it's like, you know, individually, are we all honest And if we're dishonest, are we dishonest because, we're trying to be nice to people? Yep. You know, it's like when your wife comes down and says, what my bum look like and the this. Do you say it looks like it's gonna bought out the sun? Or do you say it looks absolute fabulous Okay?
You know, what what do you say? Yeah. We've done... We have... I'll trying to link to some old shows where we've talked about truth and lies and Yeah. And from a more bike. Yeah.
Relationship point of view that kind of. But, yeah, and I've talked as well about how it's been fascinating in watching my kids grow older and how early in life they they kind of realize that you that you can tell little white lies to try and get away with something or to get your own way or you know, got my kids have got friends that live close by, so you can see that sometimes they try and play parents off each other in terms of can I start? Can I sleep over a
thing goes tonight? His mom said it alright, and then... But she actually hasn't maybe. But they we say that. Okay. If it's alright with them, tell them it's fine with us, and then they go back to the other parent and say, ed Edge mom, dad says it's fine to sleep over. Can we stay over tonight? And then... Yeah. And then he texted the pair iranian like, hang on They just... They've just completely done fair plate. But, yeah, kids kids learn stuff fairly early
on. Don't think? But is that what we're talking about? Who are they learning it from? They've learning it from their friends? Okay? They're gonna learn it from? And their parents. Are they gonna learn it sort of siblings? Are they gonna learn it from the media? Yeah. You know? Yeah. But they get lessons of being caught out as well on I think there was 1 when My son
had just started to be... We've given him a bit more freedom to go out on his bike and, you know, it's be a bit further afield, and we'd asked him where he'd been because we were a bit suspicious. And he said. I've just been around it. So it's so his house not far. And my mom had been out in her car and seen, like, him quite far from home, busted, you know, I was quite proud of him actually because he was being God. He was looking
stopped across the road and all that. But he can't much further than than he was allowed to. And we were we busted rumble them, and it was fun and then kinda watching she realized we knew where he'd been spotted and him trying to backtrack and get out of it. You know, sometimes politicians are grown up get caught out. Don't they we can, tell him little white lies, and then it's fascinating watching the kinda of lies and unravel and, I was just doing this Didn't mean to us. So... Yeah. Yeah. We
learn the consequences doing. Yeah. It and it's interesting for me having worked in the Middle East. And the example always was. I heard it said those times. You could leave your phone on the park bench. And come back in 2 hours, and it would still be there because the people didn't seal. And terms of, like, that level honesty what they would say is the reason they didn't steal was that if they didn't, they got caught, they get their hand cut off.
Yeah. Therefore they didn't do it. Lots a different kind of, yeah, punishment around it. Okay. But but but that that idea about, you know, you you you were saying earlier on about how we can be quite strict about things. Is it that if you have that strict that people do comply? Yeah. Know noble that's again as matt as a fair... That's an awful fourteenth and even contemplate like. That's another way of doing it. And, you know, it's 1 way of getting results, I guess, isn't
it, But Yeah. It'd be interesting to see if we go down that roots in the Uk. It doesn't look like it at the moment at least, but maybe Yeah. Who knows what the future holds. Of Okay. You've you got anything to sum up with then? Or do you wanna... No. No. I mean, I I think that, 1 thing that we're gonna know about our current set of politicians, or there any different any the others is that let's see whether they are people of their word. And they actually do what they say. Yeah.
I've been seeing a lot of interviews with the fresh batch, A lot of them are... Yeah. I think there's about 300 brand new Mps or something like that. Yeah. Way more than usual. So there's a lot of old experience gone actually, which is interesting, and then there's a lot of fresh faced folks that hopefully, will bring new ideas and energy. Mh. And it'll be interesting to see how they've built up against the system, which is you know, from experiences a local council that can
be quite frustrating. Yep. Because you come up against these rules and these... I we can't do that yet. Oh, no. We not gonna take years to do that any night. What? Hopefully, they can break through some of that and, you, push things on. So I wish them well. Yeah. Those and I think that the other thing is maybe we need some listen to ourselves and be honest with ourselves. Yep. And my my results for the week is is going read 19 84. This is Joel Joel well. Yep.
Classic. Yeah. And I think that does tell us a lot about us now. Yep. Mh Mh. I'll over read up for a long time. So I'll have a look at that. Okay. Cool. Happy. I'm always happy. It's my middle name. Alright right now am I telling this through. Oh, 0, yeah. Your eyes say something different Alright. I'll see you next week. Okay. Take care. Bye. See you.