Thank you, Scott Shannon, Hour two Sean Hannity Show, eight hundred and ninety four one, Shawn, our number if you
want to be a part of the program. I've been saying that this country overwhelmingly voted for dramatic change in Washington, and for all those conservatives out there, and that would even include establishment conservatives, they've given lip service to the idea of cutting ways, fraud, abuse, etc. Viveg Ramaswami, who along with Elon Musk, is going to be heading up the Department of Government Efficiency, welcome back to the program, sir,
And you know, conservatives have given lip service to this idea of ending waste, fraud, abuse, and cutting the bloated bureaucracy in Washington. I have hope, really for the first time of my adult life, that this is serious. You mean it, it's real, and it's going to happen.
Yes, Sean, that's exactly right. Because politicians, frankly, even Republicans, have paid lip service to this subjective for a long time. Very little has ever happened. And that's why we're doing things differently. First of all, we've got a president who is himself an outsider, who is elected with a decisive mandate. With both Houses of Congress under Republican control and a six to three majority on the Supreme Court of conservative justices.
The last time those stars have aligned is basically never in modern American history. So it's a rare moment. And we're also doing things differently. Where Elon and I were not politicians, we are outsiders. We're entrepreneurs. We're not joining the government. We're outside volunteers because we've got to preserve that creativity and latitude that when you join the government to I.
Mean, you're going to be doing this for free.
I'm just asking yes, Yes, Elon and I are not in this for the money. We're in this for saving the country.
And Tom, well, you've.
Been pretty successful. I got to tip my hat to you. So you are a successful business guy.
Yeah. Look, I've built multi billion dollar businesses. I've a self made billionaire before the age of forty, and I've got two kids who I'm worried are going to go up in a country where they can't live that American dream unless we actually pass it on. And the federal bureaucracy is I think the number one obstacle Shaan standing in the way it is the growth of this nanny state in the United States of America and the administrative
bureaucracy required to administer it. It's anti American. It's also anti constitutional because right now, the people we elect to run the government, they're not even the ones who are actually running the government. It's the unelected bureaucrats who are making most policies. And that is a betrayal of democracy and what our republic is supposed to be about. And so this project is as much about efficiency and saving dollars, which is of course important. It's as much about that
as it is restoring self governance in America. And yes, I am confident we're going to do both those things. And one of the things that's also different, Sean is most government programs, I think Reagan said it is the closest thing to eternal life, is a new government program. Most government programs never die, they never go away. With DOGE, we're doing it differently. We have set an expiration date for DOGE of July fourth, twenty twenty six. How do we pick that? Well, first of all, we wanted to
get this done in a year and a half. And the second of all is that sactly the two hundred and fiftieth birthday of the United States of America, the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the Declaration of Independence. And I can think of no better gift to our nation than a smaller government of a size that would make our founding fathers proud. And so that's what we're working at breakneck speed to achieve. We're already getting started underway. And I think that the way I look at it, Sean,
is it's now or never. If we don't get it done this time, it's not going to happen in America. But it is going to happen this time because of the mandate that we've been given by the people of this country. Elon and I are excited. We've got getting our hands dirty all the way easy to talk about this. The harder part is going to be executing it. But we're up to the challenge and we know we're going to face resistance. We're okay with that. We're ready for it.
It's not just about ending waste, fraud and abuse. It's also what we're talking about is America returning to its founding principles, and that would be limited government, greater freedom. And you've gone into some detail as has Elon, and that you expect certain agencies to just outright be deleted and returning other departments to the states where they would be better able to handle it. For example, that in education, I think that should be done on the local level.
But we're talking about the FEC, the SEC. What departments outright are you talking about that you expect can be deleted?
Look, I think that we're going to get into the specific details on January twentieth and onward. We're not going to play our cards too specifically beforehand because we know the resistance we're going to run into. We also want to give ourselves the time and latitude, as we're doing right now, to dig into those details. But what people can expect is a mass downsizing, not an incremental downsizing, a mass downsizing of the fourth branch of government, the
administrative state. The people who work in three letter agencies, even agencies that aren't deleted, are going to see mass headcount reductions. They're going to see mass reductions in the number of regulations that they're enforcing or allowed to enforce, because, after all, the Supreme Court has told the administrative State
that many of those regulations are unconstitutional. So this is about realigning our constitutional republic with our founding principles, actually following the US Constitution with three branches of government, not four. And are there going to be some agencies that are outright eliminated as part of that. Yes, One the President Trump has talked about openly is the US Department of Education. You mentioned it as well, But that is an example of the kind of agency that need not actually exist
for our future republic to thrive. And that's the approach that we're taking. Sewan Is. It's not an incremental approach. I think if you take an incremental approach, that's going to be set up for failure that's been tried before. But if you take an actual quantum leap approach, and I do think that that's why we're approaching this as entrepreneurs and not politicians. If you take that quantum leap approach, fighting success is actually going to be achievable and nothing
it's easy. But I'm saying we're up for the challenge, and I believe that we're going to do something that hasn't been done in modern American history because that's what saving our country requires.
I think it will include or must include the elimination of baseline budgeting, which, for those people that may not know, that would mean the built in increases in every department, in spending and all throughout government every year without any reductions at all. Years ago, there was something called the Penny Plan that would if you cut one penny out of every dollar and didn't increase spending every year for
seven years, you would have balanced the budget. That was put forward by then Congressman Connie Mack, who promises the President has made, and one is to modernize our military and get rid of woke and increase recruitment. It scares me that China and Russia have hypersonic technology and we do not. I think we're going to have to spend a lot of money there preserving and and helping two departments two promises to the American people. Social Security and
Medicare has to be high on the list. Both of them are headed towards insolvency. We can't allow that to happen. That was a promise made and it must be a promise kept to the American people. I would imagine you could reform them, but I do think that you're going to have to look for other sources of income as well. I think the greatest opportunity financially that this country has
is the incredible energy resources that have gone untapped. And if we start providing all the energy needs of Western Europe alone, this would make America would become the most energy dominant country on the face of the earth and make us an energy wealthy nation. And I think that could down That could pay down the debt, and I think it could do a lot of other things, lower taxes, and everybody could benefit from it.
You're absolutely right about that, Sean. And actually what stands in the way of doing that comes back to the regulatory state. Permitting is far more difficult than to be opening up a new refinery, far more difficult than it needs to be, as.
The last time we opened one forty years ago.
It's unbelievable, Sean. It's unacceptable in the United States of America for us to squander the natural resources that God has given this country for us to not be able to use them. But if you think about every domain, you think about healthcare, think about inefficiency, international defense, think about the ineffectiveness of how we're harnessing our own energy,
it comes back down to the bureaucratic states. And so in many ways, this project our Department of Government Efficiency DOAJ This is I think the epicenter, it's the nerve center for saving the country. And so the stakes are high and we're up for the challenge. And I'm grateful to President Trump for really being pretty creative and out of the box. This is not something that presidents usually do.
You know, most presidents may at most may set up some type of commission that's cutting ribbons and issuing final reports. This isn't cutting ribbons. This is about cutting cost in a serious way. It's about cutting bureaucracy in a serious way. We're going to be doing it on a real time basis in delivering those recommendations. And so I think that this is going to be a historic opportunity. It's up
to us to seize it. We're going to have to do a good job of explaining this to the American people along the way, too, shots because you know, are there going to be some bumps in the road if you're looking at making cuts that deep, of course, and I think most people understand that. Most people are taxpayers who know that their tax dollars are not being spent properly, and the fact that there's a bureaucracy that's standing in
the way of this country is a major problem. Most people get that, but I think we're going to have to really do a better do a good job of being able to explain that over the next year and a half as we make some pretty serious changes.
Well, let me ask this, are you prepared because the bureaucracy will go to great lengths to protect the bureaucracy and stop you from instituting what are needed and fundamental changes to how we approach governing. I mean, you're talking about a top to bottom, you know, remake of what we have come to know as this massive bureaucracy. I'm fully supportive of it, and you rightly point out conservatives have a given lip service to it, but when given
the opportunity, they've never taken advantage of it. This is the opportunity of a lifetime. This maybe the only opportunity our country ever has.
I agree with you, which is why we don't really care about the resistance from the bureaucrats. And we're going to get a lot of resistance from entrenched interests and bureaucrats in Washington, DC that doesn't matter to us because American people are on our side, voters are on our side, and I think history is on our side. Our country has thrived without the existence of this massive bureaucracy. That's
what our founder is envisioned. And I think we owe it to this country, and we owe it to our history, and we owe it to posterity to restore the government that would make George Washington and our founding fathers proud. One with three branches of government, not four, one without some bureaucracy standing in the way. One where of congressmen or senators don't do a good job of making the laws, you can actually vote them out instead of he's unelected
bureaucrats who remain permanently highed. That's what this country demands of us. And so yeah, are we up for the challenges. There are going to be some resistance, Yes, but we're ready for it. The people are with us, histories with us, our constitution is with us, and that's what we're going to need. And we're confident that that's we're going to be able to use to see this through.
We've become very friendly. I've got to know you very well. I've come to admire you. You're extraordinarily intelligent. And I don't know Elon Musk on a personal level. I watch what he does in fascination. I mean, the fact that our government needs to rely on him to rescue to these astronauts that are lost in space is insane to me. Space X, what he's been able to accomplish there is pretty amazing, Tesla is pretty amazing. It seems that he's
an engineering genius. What's your relationship like with him? Can you give us any insight into the type of person that he is?
Sure, you know, we've become good friends over the last year and a half.
He's one I've.
Admired from afar, but I've really gotten to know him over the last year and a half during my own presidential campaign and afterwards. He is somebody who and I don't say this lightly, Sean, he is somebody who is really on a different plane. And I've met some of the smartest people in the world.
Oh, people have said that about me, They said that I'm lost in space myself. But go ahead, I'm joking.
Well, you know in your own way also, Sean, right, you're you're you're a genius in being able to communicate ideas that people need to hear. I think elon Is is a genius of an engineering variety who is able to think outside of the constraints that normal people just accept as the status quo. He has a unique vision of being able to step outside the status quo and ask what is possible if you start with a blank slate.
And so, you know, there aren't that many people as entrepreneurs who I sort of look up to and believe that I can, you know, really learn meaningful things from. Elon Is on that list, is at the top of that list by far, And I think working with has already been a pleasure. I think he's somebody who cares about substance over politics or substance over process. I love
that about him. I've actually already learned a tremendous amount from him, even in the short time we've known each other and have given the shorter time that we've gotten to work together. But I think that we, you know, we have a similar vision, we have a similar orientation. We're entrepreneurs in our heart. We like to create things.
We both dislike politics, but we've chosen to be in the sport because our country requires it and We both have kids who we care about growing up in a country where they can actually live the American dream that Elon and I have, and take his story. He came to this country as an immigrant with nothing and built himself up to be the most successful capitalist, literally in world history. And for me, that's really resonant. My parents came to this country with no money forty years ago.
I've gone on and found multi billion dollar companies and you know it, became the youngest person ever to run for US President as a Republican, And so that's what's possible in this country. That's a Maria, that's the America we know in love, and we share a passion for reviving it. And you know, I think we're going to make for I think a great team, and we're already enjoying working together. But the hard work is still ahead of us, and we're ready for the challenge.
There's going to be a lot of change under President Trump, but I think what you and Elan are doing are the most exciting to me because as a conservative, all these years I've I've preached about limited government, greater freedom, ending waste for aud and abuse, and as I said earlier, this is the first time in my life. I think it will be accomplished. VIK will be with you every
step of the way, offering any support we can. My best to you, my best to Elon, and you know, getting America back to its true purpose, its constitutional order. We appreciate you being with.
Us, sir, Thank you, my Matt. Take care.
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Us, Thanks for having me. Sean, I appreciate everything you do. An r to be honest with you, I would like you to consider challenging yours pasture and these women who are refusing to get intimate with their partners or shave their heads. I think I think we should all be encouraging them to do so, and by doing so effectively remove people like this who can infect their children from the gene pool. I thank you three time.
So you want to get you You want these people removed from the gene pool. You want me to you want them assist it. You don't want them to procreate? Is that what you're saying.
That's exactly right, That's exactly right.
I think I think it's up to them do I think this is a temporary reaction of most of them. I don't know their way of somehow rebelling or wanting to be heard. You know, I don't know when we went from the land of the Free and the home of the brave to the land of the snowflake because it's so snowflakeish to me, and so woke to me, and so stupid to me, and on every front. But in part I don't blame part of them for it. Let me tell you why they've been indoctrinated into lies.
They have been told that we Conservatives are garbage. They have been told we're irredeemable deplorables. They've been told where bitter, angry Americans that cling to God, guns are Bibles and religion. They have been told falsehoods. Seniors in this country were told by Kamala herself that Donald Trump will take away their Social Security, their medicare. They have been told that women that would be a national abortion ban if Donald Trump is elected president again. They were told that he
would limit access to birth control. They were told that IVF treatment would go out the window, all of which is completely false. That he would support Project twenty twenty five, again completely false. He has no idea what Project twenty twenty five is. He had no part of Project twenty twenty five. I have no idea what's in Project twenty twenty five. And you know, with all the hoopla about it, I don't even want to know. So in a sense, you know, for give them, for they know not what
they do because they've been lied to. And when a president vice president of this country lies to you on that level and tells you that if you elect this guy, X, Y, and Z is gonna happen when it's not true, it does. It does rile people up, just like they said he was Stalin, Hitler and Mussolini. Anyway, Mike, you I hear
what you're saying. But if you know, people don't want to have sex, if they want to shave their heads, if they want to, you know, hoard up on abortion pills, have at it, if they want to divorce their husbands, it's sad. I wouldn't recommend it over politics, but I guess the marriage is not that strong to begin with. All right, let's go to Tom and New York. Tom, how are you glad you called hi?
Sean?
So?
I want to make a couple of quick points. First of all, I own two Henry's thirty eight and a forty five seventy rifle. Great great firearm, great manufacturer. That's the first art.
By the way, aren't they the best? I mean, it's HENRYUSA dot com. They're an advertiser on the show, and they have the highest quality old school craftsmanship and combined with modern technology. And I'm telling you it's such a great company. And Anthony, the owner is such a great guy.
Yeah.
I chose the forty five to seventy because it goes with my sharps eighteen fifty cat saddling in my thirty eight sub though.
So that's it.
So the quote reason why McCall is mister Musk and a swaby have a great plan. I listened to their plan. I examine their plan, and that's what I want to hear. And I think a lot of the American public and the Conservatives, Republicans, and the Democrats who voted for mister Trump need to hear these plans. I don't really care what the Democrats want to do. I don't care what they have to say. I don't care if they're crying
on TV. I don't care about shaved heads. A lot of us this is me an opinion, you don't want to hear about this stuff. When they're washed up, they're done. The Americans want to hear the plan what we're going to do, not to the basic boiler plate. We're gonna drill, We're gonna do this, We're gonna we we want a plan.
We're always thriving for information. And once we hear the plan coming from our elected, duly elected officials, mister Trump, and I met mister Trump a couple of times, especially in the Nation's Parade nineteen ninety five on this helicopter at Floyd Bennett Field. Great great gentleman to talk to when he was running the Grand Marshall of that ceremony. But we need the plan, we want the plan. We want to hear what the plan in detail, what it's going to be. And the last thing is, as a
New Yorker you fled to Florida, God bless you. There's been an uptick in criminal activity with knives, but yet our governor and the Tish will not call the legislature back into session to have knife control, knife permits, nice this, nice that, because it's not a gun. And that's a huge problem with a lot of us trying to blame an an amid object versus the individuals committing the crime. And I'll thank you very much.
Listen, I appreciate all your saying. And this is the problem with the New York and if you know you're a criminal in New York and you get arrested, they let you out of jail because they have this idiotic no bail laws. And then we watched Judge Moreshawn earlier today and the da Alvin Bragg, who is a he's not appointed, it's a political office. And the left wing in New York loves the fact that he hates Donald Trump and he's going to ride that, you know, into reelection.
It's pretty insane. Anyway, eight hundred and ninety four one, Seawn our number if you want to be a part of the program. Back to our busy phones. As we say hi to Fred in Illinois, Fred, how are you glad you called Hi?
Sean. I just want to take this opportunity quickly to say that America needs to extend sincere. Thanks to you for what you do day in and day out. Dragon us crush the finished link, because I'll tell you, there was a lot of times that I didn't think we were going to make it. So thank you for that, and.
Well, thank you listen. I thank everybody in those audience for doing their part, because that's the only way it was going to happen. I'm one voice, one vote. I tried to get the information out there that everybody needed and thankfully a lot of people understood what was at stake in this election.
Well keep punching, Sean, because we need you. But currently we're caught up in this euphoria with the victory that we had, and it's you know, we need to do this. But I think what America has to realize is the left never never lets up, and they're they're working in the background here. And my question to you is, since you have your finger on the political pulse, and do you really think and believe that the Republicans have the political will and the courage to not only get their
cabinet candidates approved, but to carry out Trump's agenda. I agree with the last caller, we want to see the plan, but the plan. I'm no old football and rest coach, and the plan doesn't do any good unless you execute it.
And oh, I mean you just heard viveg Ramaswami. Both he and Ela Musk are staying outside of the government. Do I think they will do a good job. Yes, In the back of my mind, do I worry that Republicans might react the way they that people in the Reagan era reacted to the Grace Commission. Yeah, I worry about that a little bit. I think that the first order of business is going to be getting Donald Trump's appointments through. There's been all this talk that he may
he may go to recess appointments. You know, well, if we're gonna, you know, whine and this is outrageous, and Donald Trump is bypassing the Senate and advising consent, et cetera, et cetera. Well, it's not the first time there have been recess appointments. Obama made over thirty of them. Bush forty three made over one hundred and seventy of them. Bush forty one used a recess appointment for a Secretary of State. So that's a lot of a recess appointing
that went on. And anyway, president since George Washington have made recess appointments. Washington appointed South Carolina Judge John Rutledge as the Chief Justice of the of the US during a congressional recess in seventeen ninety five. If you want me to go into some of the detail I went into before. But President Reagan made two hundred and forty recess appointments. That's an average at thirty a year. President George H. W. Bush seventy seven recess appointments. That's a
lot of recess appointments. So we'll see what happens. I would rather the Republicans in the Senate have a backbone and understand the mandate that Donald Trump was given here. But Donald Trump also, you know, he helped a lot of these candidates get in as well. I'm not sure Dave McCormick would have made it had Donald Trump not been on the top of the ticket, for example, in Pennsylvania. And I think he's going to do a great job. I think it certainly helped Bernie Marino, and I think
it helped a lot of other people congressional seats. It was an eighty percent it was viewed. I think the betting markets even had about an eighty percent chance that Democrats would take back the House. That didn't happen. So this is a historic opportunity. The president won the popular vote that had not happened since two thousand and four, and I think that this is a mandate election. I think it's the death of legacy media, as we've been discussing. So you know, it's it's going to be up to
us too. You know, we can't just vote and go away and not pay attention. I mean, we're going to have to put pressure on elected officials, congressmen and senators to do their job too, and their job is the Trump agenda right now. Anyway, I do appreciate to call my friend. Thank you. Eight hundred and nine four one, Sew you want to be a part of the program, Let's get back to our busy phones. Eight hundred nine
four one, Shawn our number. If you'd like to join us, let us hid to Melissa, North Carolina, Melissa, how are you glad you called?
I'm doing great show on How are you?
I'm good? What's going on?
Well?
I have a question. So my question is if these women are like boycotting sex for four years whatever, man, why are they stop pulling the abortion pill?
That's a really good question. I don't really know. Maybe they don't pay attention to news either. Because the Supreme Court ruled on the widespread availability of the abortion pill, and they basically codified that into a law. So that is almost a first trimester pill. It says up to ten weeks, but so basically the first trimester. Women will have access and availability to the abortion pill, which now represents about sixty five percent of abortions in America.
Right, But if they're not having six I don't think they need it, honestly, So maybe you need to do a public service announcement to a runne people how pregnancy happens.
I don't know if they're not having sex and they're abstaining from sex. I'm totally pro choice in the and what people doing their private life. If that's the way they want to live their life, that's fine with me. I'm not so sure it's going to go over well with boyfriends and husbands.
My mommy, some people don't have the good chance. Gott gave a billy good.
But if this is how they want to live their life. But you'd make a great point. If you're not having sex, you don't really need to stockpile abortion pills.
That's what I'm thinking.
So yeah, I think you're right. Anyway, appreciate the call. Thank you, Melissa. If you make my day, Let's say hi. I will stay on the topic with Jeff and Oklahoma. Jeff, how are you glad you called?
Oh?
Great, sir, how are you good?
What's going on, oh Man.
I first off, as a homeschool dad in Oklahoma, I want to say that on election night you called a lot of nerves that we had when you said you had never been more confident in anything in your life. I believe when you were talking about Georgia and North Carolina. So thank you for calling those nerves at the time.
Well, you know, it's so funny. More people have commented to me about the comments I made about nine thirty nine on Fox when I was on with the panel, and I spoke twice, and once I went over the numbers and why I thought it was mathematically impossible going into election day that I said that Kamala had a math problem. Joe Biden went into Pennsylvania on election day in twenty twenty with a one point one million vote lead. He won by less than one hundred thousand way less
than one hundred thousand. Kamala only went in with a four hundred thousand vote lead. That was a deficit of seven hundred thousand votes. I spent the day talking to people in heavily democratic areas in Pennsylvania that would be Philly, that would be Alleganty County, for example, and I knew that the turnout was nowhere near what would have been historic and necessary for her to catch up. So I have great contacts in Georgia. Georgia was baked, it was done.
Donald Trump was going to win Georgia, he was going to win North Carolina. I had good sources there. I knew that he would win Arizona by that point, and likely Nevada, which he ended up winning. I also knew that she had the same numbers problem and deficit problem in Wisconsin based on early voting, because she was forty forty five percent down from where Joe Biden was in twenty twenty. And it's amazing when I said that, and I said, look, I may be get getting over my skis.
If I turn out to be wrong, you can print Hannity was wrong, t shirts. But here's how the night's going to unfold. And I turned out being right because I've worked the phones all day and that's that's what I do for a living, and I'm supposed to be right. If I didn't believe that, I wouldn't have said it. And even close friends of mine said they knew it was over the minute I said what I said, or else I would not have said it, and they're right.
I'm glad it gave you some piece that night, though, so I hope you know that it came from a place of a lot of research and a lot of calling. I was doing making a lot of calls that day and night. Anyway, my friend, thank you eight hundred and ninety four one. Sean, if you want to be part of the program,