I new is fround the information overload. Our toll free art number is height one hundred and nine to fourt one sean if you want to be a part of the program. The President said that the Department of Education will be shut down, but that does not mean. What it really means is there are better, more efficient ways to educate our kids. It's really that simple. Now, Whether it's vouchers where parents are giving given money directly and they get to choose what schools they're going to send
their kids to. I guarantee it the schools they're going to want to send their kids to, the schools that teach reading, writing, math, science and history and put kids in uniforms and have discipline, and I'm pretty sure those are the schools most parents would pick. Or whether it's vouchers, letting you know, state and local officials handle it, although I think there'd be a lot of waste for aud abuse on the state level, especially in big blue states.
We spend more per capita for a child on education than any industrialized country. We have the worst results, I mean more than any other country, and we come in like thirty seventh in reading and forty of the math.
It's pathetic it is.
You can't do a worse job, and I believe a lot of it's rooted in this unholy alliance between the teachers' unions and the Democratic Party. Here's the president calling for the Department of Education to be shut down soon.
Do you want the Department of Education to be closed?
Oh, I'd like it to be closed immediately. Look, the Department of Education's a big conjob. We're ranked so they ranked the top forty countries in the world. We're ranked number fortieth, but we're ranked number one in one department costs per pupil, so we spend more for pupil than any other country in the world. But we're ranked number forty. We've been between thirty eight and forty. The last time I looked it was thirty eight, and then I looked two days ago it came out the new list. It
came out at number forty. So we're ranked forty. Norway, Denmark, Sweden. I hate to say it. China, as big as it is, it's ranked in the top five, and that's our that's a primary competitor. We're ranked number forty. So if we're ranked number forty, that means something's really wrong.
Right, Yeah, that means something's very raw, especially with the amount of money we're spending. Nicholas here Donald's with US Campus Reform Higher Education Fellow and professor of political science at Suffolk Community College that's out in Long Island, New York. He's the host of the PAS Report podcast. Erica Donalds is with US faculty at the Leadership Institute, CEO of
Optimum ED and the America First Policy Institute. By the way, happens to be married to our friend and a friend of the program, Congressman Byron Doneals, welcome both of you. Erica will start with you, and you know, listen to what the President has said.
That means to me.
The latter to success in life is education, and we are failing our kids spectacularly, even though we spend more money than any industrialized country.
This's got to be a better way. I know there are better ways.
We've talked for decades about vouchers, I at block rants to the states. It never happens. I think now what's going to happen.
It is going to happen, and I believe Donald Trump is going to be the school choice president. I was at the White House at his school Choice round table just a couple of weeks ago, where he expressed support for school choice initiatives at the federal level, including the Education Choice for Children Act, which could show up in reconciliation. As you probably know, but the Department of Education has done nothing to advance academic achievement in this country. It
has wasted untold amounts of money. We're finding out about a lot of those details now as DEI programs are being exposed and cuts, thankfully, and there are better places for things to go in the federal department, such as the Justice Department handling the Office of Civil Rights. Hopefully we move the student loans off to the private sector,
not even moving those to Treasury. But certainly we want to execute on the President's vision to eliminate the failed Department of Education and expand school choice across our country, to give parents the choices that they deserve for what academic environment is going to work that's for their children.
No, it's so important to what you're saying, and you're right on every level. It is amazing that our state of Florida has the number one is ranked number one in terms of public school education, and it doesn't even have a state income tax. It is pretty spectacular and a great achievement of Governor DeSantis and Rick Scott before him, and I'm sure if if Byron runs, he would continue that.
Obviously, Nicholas, let's get your take.
Well, in your previous home state of New York, we spend about thirty.
Thousand by the way, put the keyword on previous.
We spent thirty thousand dollars a year to educate a student, and yet we performed twice below the basic proficiency levels in the national assessment. So you see where it goes. But the Department of.
And by the way, in New York City it's even more. It's thirty six grand per student, correct, going up.
To thirty nine thousand person in the next fiscal year. But when you look at it, the Department Education has spent over a billion dollars on diversity, equity inclusion over the last couple of years, two hundred million of which went to counseling programs for microaggressions, whiteness, white privilege, anti racism,
as student proficiency rates have plummeted. So it's the Department of Education has become nothing more than a racket to fund money to left wing organizations to indoctrinate our children, and I think that the American people are sick and tired. Are spending more money than any other country to educate students, and yet we keep on dropping in the proficiency rankings, and it gets even worse at the higher education level
campus form. We've reported how the government is funding colleges to develop tools five point five million dollars going to a University of Wisconsin and a few other colleges to develop tools to silence and censor Americans. Enough is enough with the wasting of tax dollars. We need an education system that actually promotes American values. American exceptionalism teaches students how to read and write, and getting rid of the Department of Education is just one small piece of fixing
the problems that we're seeing. We need to get rid of the ideologically driven curricula. We need to institute school choice where people aren't held hostage by their zip code and could choose a succeeding school as opposed to the failing school. And we need to demand accountability. And I think that's the most important thing that this administration is seeking to do, where block grants will flow with student achievement. If the school's not performing, they should not be receiving
more money from the tax dollar from the taxpayers. And if they're teaching anti Americanism within their schools, well why are we funding that?
Yeah, I mean, you raise such a good point, and Eric, I'll go back to you. I mean the word education. And I went to a seminary in high school and I had to study Latin, although I was never any good at it, and I studied theology and I went to Mass every day and then actually ended up being a very good thing in my life. And the real derivative of education from the Latin means to bring forth
from with it. To me, that's predicated on an idea that God put talent and every child on this earth, and you've got to provide the sunlight, the water to bring that talent out of them. And this is where education has failed.
And I'm not.
Saying that kids shouldn't have to study and memorize, et cetera, et cetera. I am saying that we're not finding their talents and we're not building those talents and nurturing those talents so that they turn that into a way to be their best self.
Later in life. Is that a fair analysis, Absolutely.
And our schools are monopoly of public education has been utilitarian for many years. It is not bringing out the best passions of a child to help them succeed in life. It's not teaching them cultural literacy to take forward our republic to the next generation. So it's not achieving even the aims of education in the as you just referred to.
We used to say they were test preparation factories, but they're not even doing that anymore, as we've seen in the NAPE scores of the national report cards, where half of our students are failing and only a third are actually reading and doing mathematics on grade level. So it's failed in every sense of the term. And Nicholas hit the point every parent needs the opportunity to choose a
school that is working best for their child. But more importantly, that will give rise to a free market that's going to bring new innovation, access and the type of schools that you and I are looking for for our children and grandchildren out into the marketplace when we eliminate the education monopoly that's currently in place.
All right, quick break right back.
We'll continue more with Nicholas Giordano and Eric adnald Is on the other side, as Donald Trump now pledging to eliminate the Department of Education and what does that mean for parents? What does that mean for states.
Education?
Oh, I'd like it to be closed and made the look the Department of Education is a big CONJAB. We're ranked so they ranked the top forty countries.
In the world.
We're ranked number fortieth, but we're ranked number one in one department costs per pupil, so we spend more for pupil than any other country in the world. But we're ranked number forty. We've been between thirty eight and forty. The last time I looked it was thirty eight, and then I looked two days ago it came out the new list. It came out at number forty. So we're ranked forty. Norway, Denmark, Sweden, I hate to say it. China as big as it is, it's ranked in the
top five and that's our that's a primary competitor. We're ranked number forty. So if we're ranked number forty, that means something's really wrong, right right.
Our final moments with Nicholas Giordano and Erica Donalds, as we discuss you know, the disaster that is the American educational system and President Trump's desire to get rid of the Department of Education and block reant money and vouchers to of families and states and let local municipalities do a better job with it. A while back, and maybe Nicholas, you'll find this interesting. A while back, I ran into a young person who had a dream and a desire
for a certain profession. I don't want to give too many clues away here. I don't want them to know I'm talking about them, to be honest. And this person, you know, had decent, good, you know, decent grades in high school, went to college four years and it was obvious that this dream was never going to come to fruition based on you know, practice testing, etc. For advancement. And I literally asked this person, do you know how to study? And I happen to know somebody that is
probably one of the greatest tutors of all time. And here's a person that had gone through gotten a full college degree, and it ended up the person's very, very bright, but the person never learned how to study, you know, twelve years of school, four years of you know, college, and they still couldn't study for a fundamental exam, you know, when they want to pick up a specific profession, and it took a little outside help to get them over the hump. But I mean, I mean, that's a lot
of kids today. I don't think I'm overstating that, am.
I You're not overstating it. The truth is that our education system has devolved into one that's simply cycle students through. Whether or not they mastered the material is irrelevant. They just get pushed on and on and on, and then we created this myth that in order to be successful, everyone has to go to college, when the truth is, I mean, listen, in my classroom, I have about fifty
percent minority students. Yet every student, almost every student, fails the Citizenship exam when I give it the first day of the semester. And it really is a sad state of affairs when the students know little about the country that they come from. You know. Common Core was implemented coerce to the States by the Department of Education in twenty ten based on the idea it's going to improve students' critical thinking skills, that they're going to perform better on exams.
We have the data. It failed. It was a miserable failure. Student proficiency is at the lowest levels. Students don't know as much as they used to and they are unable to think critically. So we have to get to the root of a problem because as the world's sole superpower, how long can we remain that way? If we have a bunch of students that are graduating yet they can't read, write, or think, they can't solve problems. And that's what it's become.
That's the challenge that we face, and we need serious people to make serious reforms and fix this problem before it's too late.
You know, I agree with you. You know, there was an interesting article Eric that I think you en buyer would find interesting about, you know, the next generation of millionaires and you know who they were talking about, trades people.
Can you imagine? I mean, and I've encouraged.
Young people that don't like school, they don't like studying, they don't like they don't like regurgitation, they love working with their hands. I enjoyed the ten years I spent in the construction business. I loved my time in the restaurant business. That was twenty years of my life doing both and is the best thing I think I ever did. And then I got behind a radio microphone and the light goes on and to change my life. But you know that was serendipitous, that that was not by design.
But long story short, I think that that's got to be a consideration too. We don't ever even factor that anymore. Well, you got to go to college. You got to go to college. And I was as guilty as any parent because I insisted my kids go to college, whether they liked it or not.
Well, and many parents are waking up this, especially with a level of anti Semitism that is on college campuses. Parents are looking for alternatives for their children to succeed in life, whether that means going through trades or being entrepreneurs themselves. American ingenuity and capitalism is what made us the leader of the free world. And not unleash that ingenuity and innovation in the education space, we will continue to fall further and further behind. As Nicholas said, we
cannot be the world leader. We cannot continue to maintain our place in the world if we cannot educate our children. We have already fallen too far behind, and we have to bring a free market, capitalistic principles into education, give parents power and eliminate the monopoly and bureaucracy in order to propel us forward.
I appreciate what both of you are doing, and you're raising the level of conversation. We can approach like everything else, national defense, peace in the world, energy, border security and safety, law and order. We have to look at everything anew and fresh, with fresh set of eyes and innovative ideas. Nicholas Jordonald, Thank you erica' donald's. We always appreciate you coming back. Thank you for being with us. Eight hundred
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Let's get back to our busy phones. So many have you been so patient today? Doug is in Louisiana. Doug, thank you for your patience. Glad you hung in there, and what's on your mind today?
Thanks Sean. Look, I think we've officially moved from Trump derangement syndrome to Musk derangement syndrome. It's obvious that those on the left have just absolutely lost their mind where Elon Musk is concerned. And I think that's nowhere more evident than them saying that he is not qualified to be running DOGE when I think that he's possibly the singlely most qualified individual on the planet to be doing this job. And I think what he did at Or
is just proof of that. You know, he comes in, he buys one of the most successful companies on the face of the earth, and then within an incredibly short period of time I analyze this, the situation, synthesizes that information and then cuts eighty percent of the workforce.
And I don't know.
About you, my tweet still went out after eighty percent of the workforce was gone, you know, no loss of productivity, no loss of efficiency. So the guy obviously is very very good at what he does, and he's doing it for us, the American people.
I mean, it really is amazing. And one of the reasons I was so happy to do this interview is because, look, there were obligatory questions that if I didn't ask, the media would go crazy. Right, what do you do if there's a conflict. I already knew the answer, but I have to ask it. But and it's a fair question. To be honest, that is a fair question. I always thought it was a stupid question, but I knew if I didn't ask. But you know, the media, Hannity didn't
ask the most important question, who's in charge. I'm like, okay, I'll ask the stupid question, but just to get it out of the way. And there were a few other you know, are you going to take grandma and Grandpa's Social Security away?
And and no, the answer is no.
And but beyond that, that's not what fascinated me and interested me the most about him. The fact that he's doing this for free. And we got into in this interview which we played part you know, more of it today, part to today, and that is his desire to advance humankind. You know, not many of us wake up in the morning and start thinking about, you know, how we can put plants on Mars and put men and women on Mars.
Most of us don't wake up in the morning figuring out, well, how can we have communications in one hundred countries that are only have you know, sporadic communication capability?
And that what starlink does.
You know, most of us can never be the chief engineer of SpaceX and figure out a way to retrieve, retrieve the rocket as it's landing on Earth, so you can reuse this thing and save a fortune. You know, nobody really has ever gone as deep into robotics and artificial intelligence and this whole project of neural link that he's involved in, which might be able to He's hopeful. He seemed very hopeful, actually, like inspiringly hopeful, that that might be able to help the blind to see again,
or people with spinal cord injuries to walk again. And then he'll work for free. And the President said this is the most important work he'll ever do, because he's and then he went into this long explanation about how
we need to save our country. And as I'm listening back to this, and I remember sitting there kind of like, Wow, We're lucky to have people like him in our country that are willing to serve in spite of all of the name calling and cursing and singing and ranting and raving and raging that has gone on and hysteria that has been associated with him, you know, trying to get this country's but budget under control so we don't rob from our kids and grandkids and stop robbing from the American people.
That's what fascinated me. Did you find the same thing?
Absolutely? And you know, one of the signs of a great leaders to surround yourself with people that are smarter than you are. And that's exactly what President Trump has done in this case. He's surrounding himself with the best of the best. And the fact that the left continues to fight against it. If we cannot agree on getting way rid of waste and fraud and abuse in our federal government, I don't know what we'll ever agree on. It's maddening to me that they are screaming and moaning
about this. It just shows how far they have gone. They've they've they've They're completely off the charts.
It really are.
It's unbelievable, actually it really is. Doug Louisiana. I appreciate your patience here. You made great comments. Thank you for being out there. We were grateful to all of you. Let's go to Paul in Texas. God bless Texas. What's up, Paul? How are you glad?
You called?
Are Hey? Sean? So I'm going to start out by saying you migrated from New York to Florida. I migrated from Illinois to Texas, and like you.
You made a good choice.
Texas was definitely in my eyesight, there was no doubt about it. I just I just like being near the water a little bit more probably than you do.
I got you. I feel like I have moved to a different country. It's just spectacular.
So by the way, I feel the same way. And I explained, you know, I'll tell you what I explained. I've had many friends now come visit me, especially during the winter months, and they come here and they're like, what the hell am I staying up there?
For? What am I doing? And they see and I live in a townhouse.
I don't even live And you know, I used to have this big, sprawling, six and a half acre spread in Long Island, New York. I don't have that anymore. I don't want it. And trust me, I'm so happy. And I just like waking up. I like being able to sleep with my windows and doors open, don't worry I'm protecting myself and not have to and feel, you know, a cool breeze at night and not be freezing my you.
Know what off I totally agree. And when it's when it's eighty degrees in February and blue sunny skies, and I'm not them. I go, yeah, it's it's it's amazing. It's just amazing. I wish I had moved down here thirty years ago. And that's that's the purpose of my phone call today. I have a campaign strategy. I want to share it with you and just get your thoughts. So my opinion, Republicans have never had a greater opportunity
to make inroads into the inner cities. Why for thirty years I've lived in Chicago and the Democratic policies have failed those citizens. And now you see what's coming out with Doge. You're finding the tax dollars wasted a going across the globe and not to our own citizens in our own cities. This is unacceptable. So here's my thought. You have a non traditional strategy in twenty four where the President and JD went on podcasts and it paid
off in earning many votes. My non traditional campaign strategy for twenty five is right now, the President and JD should be holding rallies in the inner cities of the blue swing stakes. Start right now and do it. In twenty five, twenty six, and twenty seven, there are many votes that can be earned in twenty eight in these traditionally blue cities that have not been available before. Here's how I see it, really simple. These blue cities and
citizens are now powder cakes. They are primed for change, and the Democrats, with their bad policies and the subsequent doage findings have gifted Republicans of the powder to blow up the map. Here would be my act, as you were in conversations with the powers to be. Don't fly over those blue cities and those blue states anymore. I left them, but I know what's going on there, and I think there are votes to be found for two thousand and eight, but we got to do the work today twenty five twenty.
I don't think it's a bad idea. However, I would say this the problem with states like California, New York, and Illinois, and I wouldn't.
Even include New Jersey.
I think New Jersey might have a glimmer of hope and your strategy could be successful. I would hope that the same would be for the Commonwealth of Virginia, and I put them on the map, I'd add them to the You know what, we gotta get to work the problem that we face, and I have articles about New York today. For example, in New York they are now going to require in newly constructed homes that contractors, you know,
put in a sprinkler mandate. Now I know because when I had a home in Long Island, I had a sprinkler mandate when I did some construction on the third floor of my home. And it costs up fortunate because it costs as much as thirty grand to put this in a house, and that it's killing the opportunity of people. It's like attacks on people. And most homes don't need sprinkler systems. They just don't. And it's too costly, you know. And this is the type of thing that has chased
people away. And the people that might be more otherwise more open to new ideas are not going there because they've left people like me. You know, I had one Governor Cuomo. It's not personal if you are one of those conserve it is that is, you know, pro life and pro sect assault weapon. And he says anti gay. I'm not anti gay. I'm not anti anybody. Live your own life. You're an adult. I don't care.
You know, you're not in New Yorker, and you have no place in the state of New York.
They have no place in the state of New York citizens.
That's not who New Yorkers are.
And we're here to say that the era of Trump and Zelden and mon Arrow. Just jump on a bus and head down to Florida where you belonged. Okay, get out of town. Get out of town because you don't read, you don't represent our values. You are not New Yorkers.
All right, I guess I fit that definition, don't I.
That's that's just insane. You just played and Sean, I'll give it to you. Maybe it's not New York, Illinois, California, But is it Virginia?
Is it Michigan?
Is it Arizona? Is it Nevada?
We prove we can win Michigan. We prove we can win Pennsylvania. We prove we can win Wisconsin. We prove we can win Nevada. We prove we can win Arizona and Georgia and North Carolina. But these states are closer that I would like.
I think.
As as this migration, remember the migration has not stopped, it slowed since COVID, but baby boomers are still working. So you've got at least another ten, twelve, fifteen years of migration where people are going to retire and they're going to take their money and they're going to sell their homes, and they're going to go to states like yours and states like mine and Tennessee and the Carolinas, and they're going to get out of Dodge and then they're going to go to Nevada and they're going to
go to Arizona and they're going to leave. And they're going to leave for a variety of reasons, not the least which is to save money.
Right, so, a safety, security, and prosperity. I think that's it's really simple. That's that's why I packed up in Barbara streisand said she was going to Europe, and people talked about going to Canada or you know that. I packed up my family and we left Illinois and moved to Texas because of what was going on in the state of the communist state of Illinois. So we're thrilled to be here. And we think Revernor rabbits doing a great cho.
I love Governor Abbit, I think he's awesome. I think he's great.
And my Governor DeSantis is great too, And you know, then you have other governors. No, I'm going to forget some, but I mean there we we do have great Republican governors in the country and real leaders, and you know, especially well Governor DeSantis and Governor Abbot and I did in term it was the greatest political jiu jitsu move ever when they took illegal immigrants that they denied were actually coming into the country because they lied inside the
country was the borders were secure and closed. And then they said, okay, really, well, fine, you're a sanctuary city, you're a sanctuary state. We're going to send your beloved illegals to you. And they they spent money, but they saved a fortune in the end, and they sent them to New York City in California. My favorite was Governor DeSantis. And when did he send them to Mantha's vineyard? By the way, they were off that island and left less than twenty four hours.
Amazing.
Liberals are you know, the generous with other people's money. You know, they're all they're all pro sanctuary city and town and state, except if it's theirs then then they want no part of it.
You raise great points.
I think it's your long term strategy is a good one, and I think we, you know, let's get the country fixed. They'll have plenty of time for campaigning. We're going to be back in a year, will be in campaign mode again, believe it or not, for the midterms, and we're going to need everybody's help again, everybody's help anyway. God bless you, God bless Texas. Eight hundred and nine foot one Sean if you want to be a part of the program.
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It didn't work out.
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