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The Sacred

The Sacred is a podcast about our deepest values, the stories that shape us and how we can build empathy and understanding between people who are very different. Each episode features a conversation with someone who has a public voice, from academics to journalists, playwrights and politicians. We ask them where they have come from, what they are trying to do and what might help heal our very divided public conversations. The Sacred is hosted by Elizabeth Oldfield, former director of Theos. For more information about the people and ideas behind the podcast, visit https://www.theosthinktank.co.uk/about/who-we-are or follow us on Twitter @theosthinktank, @sacred_podcast and @ESOldfield.

Episodes

Inaya Folarin Iman on Race, Immigrant Conservatism and the Importance of Free Speech

Inaya Folarin Iman is a political commentator and former GB News presenter. Her written work has appeared in the The Telegraph, Politics Home, UnHerd, Spiked and The Daily Mail. She is also the director and founder of the Equiano Project, which is as "a debate, discussion and ideas forum" that "focuses on race, culture and politics". Inaya spoke about her childhood which involved moving many times, growing up with a single mother, the ingrained conservatism that many immigrants have and why free...

Jun 21, 20231 hr 5 min

Patrick Deneen on the Failure of Liberalism and the Importance of Relational Living

Patrick Deneen a professor of Political Science at the University of Notre Dame and author of multiple books including the upcoming 'Regime Change: Toward a Postliberal Future'. Patrick spoke about his childhood and the relationships built by a 'front porch' community culture, why liberalism has failed, and what a postliberal future looks like. Read the full transcript here: https://www.theosthinktank.co.uk/comment/2023/06/14/patrick-deneen-on-the-failure-of-liberalism-and-the-importance-of-rela...

Jun 14, 20231 hr 12 min

Audrey Assad on Faith, Deconstruction, and Music as an Outlet for Spiritual Angst

Audrey Assad is an American-Syrian singer-songwriter who since the start of her career has released 6 studio albums and 4 EPs. She is also the author of the blog 'The Violet Fields' which explores topics such as consciousness and creativity. Audrey spoke about her childhood growing up in a fundamentalist Christian community and subsequent conversion to Catholicism, her career as a musician and the role music has played in her life, and her public deconstruction from the Christian faith. You can ...

Jun 07, 20231 hr 3 min

Dougald Hine on Climate Change and How to Respond to a Bleak Looking Future

Dougald Hine is a social thinker, writer and speaker. After an early career as a BBC journalist, he co-founded organisations including the Dark Mountain Project and a school called HOME. He is most recently the author of the book 'At Work in the Ruins'. Dougald spoke about his childhood growing up in the United Reformed Church, his decision to leave the BBC, and how to respond to the 'end of the world'. Read the full transcript here: https://www.theosthinktank.co.uk/comment/2023/05/31/dougald-hi...

May 31, 20231 hr 15 min

Abi Morgan on finding meaning in tragedy

Abi Morgan is a screenwriter and playwright with a career spanning 25 years in TV, Film and Theatre. She is the creator of films such as 'The Iron Lady', TV shows such as 'The Hour', and is most recently the author of the very successful book, 'This is Not a Pity Memoir'. She spoke about her journey into writing, how stories give us a sense of self, and how she makes any kind of meaning out of the multiple tragic events that she has experienced. Buy a copy of her book here: https://www.amazon.co...

May 24, 20231 hr 5 min

Sacred Live: Oliver Burkeman on living a meaningful life in the present moment

This video is of a live recording of The Sacred podcast on 19 April 2023 at the UnHerd Cafe. Elizabeth Oldfield was joined by Oliver Burkeman. Oliver is a British author and journalist, formerly writing the weekly column This Column Will Change Your Life for The Guardian newspaper, and is one of the leading voices on productivity, mortality and the power of limits. He has published multiple books on the topic of productivity and happiness, including the New York Times and Sunday Times bestseller...

Apr 26, 202359 min

Series Reflection: What does it mean to be human?

**Upcoming Sacred Live on April 19** Join Elizabeth Oldfield and Oliver Burkeman on April 19 for a live recording of The Sacred with a time for Q&A. Get your tickets today using the promo code SACREDLIVE2023: https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/sacred-live-feat-elizabeth-oldfield-and-oliver-burkeman-tickets-565116999157 Elizabeth Oldfield reflects on Series 6 of The Sacred. This series she spoke to Nick Cave, Sean O'Hagan, Clover Stroud, Jared Yates Sexton, Yoram Hazony, Tanni Grey Thompson, Katharin...

Mar 15, 202316 min

Kate Bowler on tragicomedy, and the errors of manifesting and prosperity gospel

**Upcoming Sacred Live on April 19** Join Elizabeth Oldfield and Oliver Burkeman on April 19 for a live recording of The Sacred with a time for Q&A. Get your tickets today using the promo code SACREDLIVE2023: https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/sacred-live-feat-elizabeth-oldfield-and-oliver-burkeman-tickets-565116999157 Kate Bowler is a three-time New York Times bestselling author, and Associate Professor of American Religious History at Duke University. Kate is also the host of the Everything Happen...

Mar 08, 20231 hr 11 min

Lizzie Damilola Blackburn on colourism, and the importance of representation in publishing

Lizzie Damilola Blackburn is a British Nigerian author, and writer of 'Yinka, Where is your Huzband?' a book which explores the experience of a young Nigerian woman living in London and wrestling societal/family expectations of faith, life and love. She spoke about her experience growing up in a Nigerian, Christian household, the way her faith shapes her writing, and why representation matters in the publishing industry. Buy a copy of Yinka, Where is your Huzband?' here: https://www.waterstones....

Mar 01, 202345 min

Katharine Birbalsingh on small-c conservatism and the philosophy of Michaela Community School

Katharine Birbalsingh is the founder and headmistress of the Michaela Community School. She is known for promoting ’small-c’ conservative values in the her school, and has subsequently been dubbed Britain’s Strictest Headmistress, which later became the title of an ITV documentary exploring her and her methods. She spoke about the underlying philosophy of Michaela Community School, her journey from being a ‘lefty’ to now a ‘small-c’ conservative, and the lessons she learnt from her dad’s parenti...

Feb 22, 20231 hr 2 min

Tanni Grey Thompson on the joy of sport, and the trials disabled people face in society

Baroness Tanni Grey Thompson DBE DL is an 11 time gold-winning Paralympian, and cross-bench peer in the House of Lords. Her highly successful career has seen her become one of Great Britain's most accomplished athletes, to sitting on and chairing various boards, including @_ukactive, to politics, to her active role in politics. She spoke about the joy of sport and the role it plays in society, her dogged approach to politics, and what has and hasn't changed for disabled people in society. Read t...

Feb 15, 202356 min

Yoram Hazony on Orthodox Judaism, Conservatism, and the true meaning of Nationalism

Yoram Hazony is a political analyst and writer from Israel. He is the President of the Herzl Institute, Chairman of the Edmund Burke, and author of a number of books, most recent of which is 'Conservatism: A Rediscovery'. He spoke about Orthodox Judaism and his path to reclaiming it, the fundamental differences between Conservatives and Marxists, and how Nationalism is frequently misunderstood. Read the full transcript here: https://www.theosthinktank.co.uk/comment/2023/02/08/yoram-hazony-on-ort...

Feb 08, 20231 hr 6 min

Jared Yates Sexton on escaping fundamentalism and the mythology of Marvel movies

Jared Yates Sexton is an American writer and political commentator. Having begun his career writing and teaching fiction, things changed as his investigative journaling in the run up to the 2016 Presidential election plunged him into the world of politics. He is also the host of the Muckrake Podcast. He spoke about his childhood in a fundamentalist Christian church, the need for 'good brokership' when engaging across the political divide, and why despite the joy they may bring, Marvel movies are...

Feb 01, 20231 hr

Clover Stroud on grief, God, creativity and horses

Clover Stroud is a journalist and best-selling author of three books, the most recent of which is The Red of my Blood. She spoke about spoke about her upbringing, grappling with death, and the intertwined relationship between grief, God, creativity and horses. Read the full transcript here: https://www.theosthinktank.co.uk/comment/2023/01/25/clover-stroud-on-grief-god-creativity-and-horses Purchase The Red of My Blood, here: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Red-Blood-Death-Life-Story/dp/0857527738/ref=t...

Jan 25, 20231 hr 1 min

Nick Cave and Seán O'Hagan on grief, faith and navigating disagreement

Nick Cave is a multi award-winning Australian rock singer-songwriter who over his 40+ year long career has seen the release of countless records, film scores, and writings. Seán O’Hagan is an award-winning journalist for the The Guardian with a speciality in photography. The two of them spoke about faith and religion, the transformative nature of grief, and the experience of writing their book Faith, Hope and Carnage together. Read the full transcript here: https://www.theosthinktank.co.uk/comme...

Jan 18, 20231 hr 14 min

Series Reflection: You'll never change someone's mind by shouting at them

This past series Elizabeth Oldfield spoke to Paul Kingsnorth, Sathnam Sanghera, Zara Mohammed, Sarah Langford, Dante Stewart, Rowan Deacon, Jonathan Pageau, Zing Tsjeng and Prue Leith. This wide range of guests brought with them a variety of sacred values, but also some common themes of thought and reflection. This episode Elizabeth pulls together all she learnt from these guests, their values, ideas and worldviews, and helps to unpack what lessons we can learn from the series as a whole. This p...

Nov 30, 202220 min

Dame Prue Leith on growing up during apartheid, and the importance of tolerance

Dame Prue Leith, DBE is a South African restaurateur, chef, television presenter/broadcaster, cookery writer, novelist and much more. Today she is widely known for being a judge on Channel 4’s The Great British Bake Off. She is also the mother of Conservative MP, and former guest, Danny Kruger. She spoke about growing up in South Africa during apartheid, and the importance of tolerance when speaking to those different from ourselves. She also told wonderful stories about family, wrestling with q...

Nov 16, 202252 min

Zing Tsjeng on Vice UK's unique voice, and unpacking problematic ESEA stereotypes

Zing Tsjeng is the editor in chief of Vice UK. She is the author of the book series 'Forgotten Women' which profiles underrated historical women in various fields, and is the host of the BBC podcast United Zingdom. She spoke about her experience of growing up in Singapore and the way in which the government monitor the media, what she feels Vice UK's role and unique voice is, and the many problematic stereotypes around ESEA (East and Southeast Asian) identities. Read the full transcript here: ht...

Nov 09, 202251 min

Jonathan Pageau on icons, political dehumanisation, and befriending Jordan Peterson

Jonathan Pageau is a French Canadian icon carver, public speaker and YouTuber exploring the symbolic patterns that underlie our experience of the world. He spoke about his journey to creating religious art, the different ways people on the political spectrum dehumanise each other, and his friendship with Jordan Peterson.

Nov 02, 202253 min

Rowan Deacon on the power of storytelling and the ethics of making a documentary

Rowan Deacon is a documentary filmmaker. Her portfolio includes the multi award winning film How to Die: Simon's Choice, and most recently Jimmy Savile: A Very British Horror Story, which was in the top 10 globally on Netflix. She spoke about what drew her to documentaries, the power of storytelling and the ethical questions at play when producing a documentary. Read the full transcript here: https://www.theosthinktank.co.uk/comment/2022/10/26/rowan-deacon-on-the-power-of-storytelling-and-the-et...

Oct 26, 20221 hr 13 min

Danté Stewart on family, church and race in America

Danté Stewart is a church leader and writer whose journalism has appeared in a variety of top newspapers across the America. His most recent book is Shoutin' in the Fire: An American Epistle. He spoke about his Southern Pentecostal childhood, his experience in a white majority church, parenting while black and much more. Read the full transcript here: https://www.theosthinktank.co.uk/comment/2022/10/19/dant-stewart-on-family-church-and-race-in-america

Oct 19, 202254 min

Sarah Langford on the importance of meaningful work, and how not to change someone's mind

Sarah Langford is a criminal and family barrister gone farmer, and the author of the best-selling book ‘In Your Defence: True Stories of Life and Law’. Her most recent book, 'Rooted: Stories of Life, Land and a Farming Revolution’, is an account of her experience farming after moving to the countryside in 2017 and the stories of the farmers she’s met at a time of unprecedented change in agriculture. She spoke about the importance of meaningful work, how we should view those needing criminal defe...

Oct 12, 20221 hr 6 min

Zara Mohammed on her muslim faith and the challenges of being a young woman leader

Zara Mohammed is Secretary General for the Muslim Council of Britain. When elected, she was the youngest and first woman to lead the organisation. She spoke about her childhood, her muslim faith and the significance of putting on the headscarf, and the challenges of being a young woman leader running an organisation. Read the full transcript here: https://www.theosthinktank.co.uk/comment/2022/10/05/zara-mohammed-on-her-muslim-faith-and-the-challenges-of-being-a-young-woman-leader

Oct 05, 202253 min

Sathnam Sanghera on his Sikh faith, colonialism, and dealing with online abuse

Sathnam Sanghera is journalist for The Times, and best-selling memoirist. His most recent book, Empireland: How Imperialism Has Shaped Modern Britain, has been showered with awards and endorsements. He spoke about growing up in Wolverhampton, his Sikh faith, dealing with online abuse, and his exploration of the history of colonialism. Read the full transcript here: https://www.theosthinktank.co.uk/comment/2022/09/28/sathnam-sanghera-on-his-sikh-faith-dealing-with-online-abuse-and-learning-about-...

Sep 28, 202258 min

Paul Kingsnorth on environmentalism, converting to Christianity and his concerns about authoritarianism

Paul is an award winning novelist and essaying, currently best known for his Substack - The Abbey of Misrule. He spoke about his deep environmental commitments, his conversion to the Orthodox Church and his concerns about authoritarianism brought about through technological expansion. Read the full transcript here: https://www.theosthinktank.co.uk/comment/2022/09/21/paul-kingsnorth-on-environmentalism-converting-to-christianity-and-his-concerns-about-authoritarianism

Sep 21, 20221 hr

Sacred Reflection: Queen Elizabeth II and her role in reconciliation

The United Kingdom, Commonwealth and indeed the entire world were sent into shock after Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II died on Thursday 8 September at the age 96, and after 70 years on the throne. Elizabeth Oldfield reflects on Her Majesty’s role in the area of reconciliation throughout the many years she reigned, and how we might show compassion to those who have responded differently to her death.

Sep 14, 20228 min

Jenny Odell on attention, where we put it, and how it can polarise society

Jenny Odell is an American multi-disciplinary artist, former art teacher at Stanford University and author of the New York Times best selling book, How to Do Nothing: Resisting the Attention Economy. She spoke about attention, where we put it, how it shapes and forms us, and how it could be the key to understanding our increasingly polarised societies. Read the full transcript here: https://www.theosthinktank.co.uk/comment/2022/06/08/jenny-odell-on-attention-where-we-put-it-and-how-it-forms-us...

Jun 08, 202247 min

Kate Maltby on her Jewish heritage, identity issues and the power of live theatre

Kate Maltby is a columnist for The i Paper, theatre critic and senior research associate at Jesus College Cambridge. She spoke about her Jewish heritage, the power and (almost) sacredness of live theatre and of dealing with identity issues. Read the full transcript here: https://www.theosthinktank.co.uk/comment/2022/06/01/kate-maltby-on-her-jewish-heritage-identity-issues-and-the-power-of-live-theatre

Jun 01, 202252 min

Francesca Stavrakopoulou on vegetarianism and studying theology as an atheist

Francesca is Professor of Hebrew Bible and Ancient Religion at the University of Exeter, and a patron of Humanists UK. Her latest book is called God: An Anatomy. She spoke about her vegetarianism, her experience of growing up in a single parent household with not a lot of money and studying theology as an atheist at the University of Oxford.

May 25, 202251 min

Christie Watson on humour, compassion and why nursing and writing belong together

Christie is an award-winning novelist, memoirist and professor of medical and health humanities at UEA. She was a registered pediatric nurse for 20 years spending most of her career in pediatric intensive care and as a resuscitation officer. She speaks about humour as an antidote to darkness, why nurses’ stories are so rarely told, how she found meaning in the practice of care, and why compassion is what we should be judged on.

May 18, 202243 min
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