¶ Intro / Opening
Welcome to the RV Park Mastery Podcast, where you will learn the correct way to identify, evaluate, negotiate, perform due diligence on, renegotiate, find. Turn around and operate RV parks. And now, here is your host, the fifth largest owner of RV and mobile home parks in the U.S., Frank Raw.
You can never be too rich or too thin, but that's not really realistic goal setting.
¶ Balancing Caution for RV Park Deals
This is Frank Roth of the RV Park Mastery Podcast. We're gonna be talking about how much money to keep around for a rainy day because again, I could easily say an infinite number. You could clearly ha not ha ever have too much money. For that rainy day. But if you approach life that way, you can't actually do anything.
So really all of us when we're out there looking at buying an RV park, we're stuck on this fine line between being reasonably cautious, but not so cautious that you can't actually ever take action and buy anything.
Let's say you're buying an RV park and you say, well, you know, for safety's sake, I'm going to assume that they made that much of revenue last year, but I'm going to dumb that down by ten or twenty percent, and then I want to have a big old amount of money I want to put into this thing to
Make sure I've got enough on hand for the capex and the safety cushion and everything else known to man. And then when you go to come up with a price for the seller, you can't ever come to an agreement. And that's because the seller's not adding in all these additional amounts. And you could do that your entire life, but you'd never buy anything because you'd never be able to reach an agreement with a seller.
So sometimes you can simply be too cautious. Being too cautious means you can never get a deal done. But at the same time, if you're not cautious enough and you do buy something, then what happens to you? What if you underallocated for a rainy day? What if you didn't have enough in there for all the things that may pop up?
Then you'd be in equally dire straits. Now your your investment would be in trouble, wouldn't be able to pay your bills. So the key if you're gonna buy an R V park is to make sure that you've got ample conservative values on where you're going to be as far as money, but at the same time, you have to be willing to accept some degree of risk.
¶ Verifying RV Park Revenue and Expenses
So how do you get that job done without making a mistake? Well let's first talk why you'd want to hold some money back in a safe account. Number one, your concerns about the actual operation of the property. You know, when you buy an RV park, all you have are financial statements and perhaps tax returns from the prior owner, and you're basing your decision based on what this person is saying the last twelve months operating numbers were.
You weren't there, you didn't see the customers pull in, you never actually physically collected the rent. So you're concerned that the person is lying to you about the money coming in and also about the money coming out. Well, based on that assumption, let's see how we can solve that. Number one, on the expense side, that's simple. I can actually get the real bills from every provider, whether it's the power company, water company, property tax, insurance, I can get it all.
And beyond that, I can get at least three bids on everything that I don't know with certainty. If I say, well, Mama Pop, they never had insurance, well, I can call up an insurance company or two, and I can get a very, very accurate price. There's really nothing on the expense side that I cannot nail to the penny. So what about the revenue side you'll say? Well, you know, let's talk about that for a minute. It is true with RV parks that we can't really see what happens.
with our own eyes over the last twelve months. But I do know one thing. I know there's a constant out there of human existence in an RV park, and typically that constant is electricity. And if I know how much a day that RV used in electricity, I should be able to go through the electrical bills and divide by that constant and know exactly how many nights. I had customers. And then since I know what the rates are, I can multiply that times the nightly rate.
And lo and behold I can extrapolate where the revenue sits compared with mom and pop are telling me and what I think it might be. And if you do that you'll find you can get fairly accurate. It's again it's just a guideline, you'll never nail it to the penny. But you'll see roughly if it supports what Mamma Pop are telling you. Now, if I go to that level of due diligence on the revenue and the expense side, can I still get burned? Well, sure you can, but probably not that bad.
So you can pretty much rebuild those numbers, both cash coming in and cash coming out. So you don't really have to have a giant safety cushion for that.
¶ Strategic Capital Expenditure Planning
So what else do I need a safety cushion for? Well, CapEx issue. I might say, Well, look at that pool. That pool might break. Maybe the next hard winter, the whole thing is gonna crack, and I have to replace Or look at these other amenities. Look at the building that I've got my office in and the store and all these various items. And you know, I don't know much about buildings and and I don't know how long it'll last. Well exactly.
Have expert guidance for you on these amenities. Get a property condition report if you need it. It depends on what the amenities are and how good you are at extrapolating them. If you think the roof is looking bad, well get a price to get the roof fixed. But don't just throw money out there and say, well, you know, I'm just worried about life and so I want to throw in a hundred thousand dollars as a safety cushion in the event of things breaking around here. That's not realistic.
You have to do better than that. You had to put in more energy than that. There are people out there that do just that trying to buy an RV park, but they never bought one because they throw numbers out to sellers which they'll never agree to. So they're really just wasting their time. Instead, put more effort in, do more diligence work, learn about those items and what the likelihood is of them breaking, then additionally, what it would cost.
¶ Best, Realistic, Worst Case Scenarios
But to me the big one of all these different ways to have a proper degree of cushion is to do what I call the best case, the realistic case, and the worst case scenario. Now what do I mean by that? Well, many of us, when we go to buy things, you know, we only want to talk about the good news. That's just human nature, right? You never hear anyone talk about little tidy fish they caught, always just the biggest fish they caught.
Let's talk about someone in the oil and gas industry. They only want to talk about that one gusher they hit. Never those 75 dry holes they drilled before they got to that one gusher. That's human nature. So many people, when they're going to buy an RV park, they want to run the best case scenario. They want to say, well, you know, I'm way smarter than mom and pop, so I'm going to go ahead and
run all these ads and get online and gosh darn it all beat their revenues by twenty-five percent. Okay, well, maybe you can, and that would be your best case scenario, but you can't stop there. That only makes you feel good, but that isn't going to protect you. So then you do the worst case scenario. This would be if everything in the world went wrong. So in a worst case scenario, you'd say, well, I'll never hit Bomba Pop's revenue. Maybe I'll dumb that down by 10 or 20%.
And you might say, well, you know, gosh, these amenities are kind of neat, but I think they probably need a lot of work. They're probably going to break. And, you know, on the expense side, they're going to reassess this thing and the taxes are going to go up and the insurance is going to go up. And you put all of your concerns, quantify them and put them on paper.
And that's your worst case scenario. And just as unlikely as the best case scenario is to happen, so is the worst case scenario. So then you look at something in between those two, and that's what we call the realistic case scenario. Not the end of the world, but not the best things could ever be. Then you look at those scenarios and you say, Could I survive these? Well the best case, sure.
The realistic case, normally, yeah. And then you have the worst case scenario, and that's the one you have to focus on. Could you, if your worst nightmares occurred, still cover the death? Could you make financial sense of your investment, of going forward if bad things happen? Now, if you can look at that and say, Yeah, I could survive the worst case. In my worst case scenario, I could probably cover the mortgage, but I probably couldn't pay myself almost anything.
And I could probably take that amenity over there and I could probably delay doing that for a year or so. Or I could have my cousin Tom come over and help me fix that myself. And so if you say, well, the worst case is survivable. Well, then you're probably going to be okay, because you're probably never going to hit the worst case scenario. What's important is that you analyze that because that helps you alleviate your fear.
See a lot of times when people look at RV parks and say, well, I need to set aside this much money or that much money for a rainy day, what they're really saying is I don't really know exactly what I'm doing. I don't really trust myself. So, how do you then regain the trust? Well, you regain the trust through work and effort and strategy and smart decision making.
You do outstanding due diligence on the money coming in and the money coming out. You do outstanding due diligence on all of the physical attributes of the RV park. And then you top it all off by doing outstanding work and modeling where things would be on a best case and a realistic and a worst case scenario. And once you've completed all that. Suddenly a lot of your fears will go away. Because you're going to find a lot of people on the subject of safety cushions, it's really all mental.
So this is Frank Rolf, the RV Park Mastery Podcast, just urging you to put in the effort, put in the work. Do the due diligence, eradicate your fears, and that will put you in a much better position to come to an agreeable price with that RV park seller. Talk to you again soon.
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