"Chapter 101: Unbelievable"

Oh hail our fair Riverdale! Register! Hello everybody and welcome to... Chatting about Yellow Jackets where we talk about the Showtime series Yellow Jackets. We decided to take a really hard pivot. It's our new obsession and your summer reading. I hope you did it. We will be talking about Yellow Jackets a lot on this podcast. But we also...

We do have to finish our obligation to Riverdale. Oh. I know. Chatting about Yellow Jackets. Look, season two. We're known for just diving in season two. Can you imagine if we just suddenly weren't talking about Riverdale anymore? Yeah. Look. Look. We could always pull a scream and just do Yellow Jackets 2 podcast. Which...

I mean, you know, if Riverdale does go that way, we can definitely talk about that. But that's a different conversation. And dark. At the start of the season. I know. Wow. Kind of. After five episodes of an alternate reality, we're back to the Riverdale Register. Riverdale Register, but also things are very different. Not in the Riverdale Register. This is mostly the same, but...

There's magic now. That's Stella. She has thoughts. There's magic and superpowers. That's true. There are superpowers. You must be thrilled. I am losing my mind. You're losing your mind. This is like the moment where I'm like... Imagine telling ourselves plot lines from later in the series. It's coming back and telling ourselves in season one.

what the show is. Instead of saying, invest in Bitcoin, we would just be like, this is what happens on Riverdale. This would be like, yeah, yeah, yeah. It would be like, I think this is my idea for a new closing game we can do, which is what from this episode you'd go back in time.

tell yourself yeah yeah you just watched the pilot in season six Archie and Betty get superpowers I did I did recently rewatch the pilot and that is a different show but that's okay i'm enjoying my time i am very much so enjoying my time i'm always enjoying this show but wow different show

Also, John and I are drinking protein shakes that I basically bullied him into drinking with me. So if you hear us sipping things, I have a Diet Coke and a protein shake because I don't like the taste of the protein shakes, but I feel like I should drink them because I'm hungry and I can't. eat mac and cheese on the podcast anymore um well because you're vegan right but also also i've been bullied in the comments

Too much. Now, when you say bullied, I think what you actually mean is like maybe like two or three people said something and you were like, I will change. I will change. Yeah. To be fair, I feel like if you're going to take notes. eating mac and cheese on a podcast is definitely, that was very, I think that was on our Scream podcast. So this was like six years ago. And you've been holding onto it for a long time. My friend Courtney, who does not listen to this, but shout out Courtney.

constantly makes fun of me because I guess, I don't know if I told her, I was like, God, they were so mean to me because I had a cracker once on the podcast and I had a little bit of mac and cheese and she was like, that's. disgusting. What is wrong with you? And I've learned a lot as a podcaster and also as a person with ears since then. Anyway. I realize that we have like a whole thing we do in the beginning, but what happens first? Do I talk first?

Welcome to the Riverdale Register. My name is John. Oh, you didn't even do that. No, we did. We did? Okay. I'm not messing with you. My name is Caitlin, and this episode is called Unbelievable? Unbelievable. Chapter 101. So... We were kind of talking about what this might be because the first thing when you search Unbelievable was... was the Netflix series about a sexual assault case. Starring Caitlin Deaver. Yes, it's a great show.

I'm going to pretend that's not what this is based on. I mean, my personal stance is none of that happens in this episode of Riverdale, so it doesn't feel like that's where the title's coming from. I think it might have been a play on Unbreakable. Right. You're probably right. Archie does like an Unbreakable.

midway through the episode. So something you guys should know about me, though I've also mentioned it multiple times, and I've especially mentioned it actually on my other podcast, Scaredy Chat, if you guys are listening to that, because it's more relevant there, but my passion for M. Night Shyamalan, I love M. Night Shyamalan. So.

That's exciting. Yeah, I think you're probably right. For those who don't know, Unbreakable is a modern day superhero story with Bruce Willis, Samuel L. Jackson. It ends up becoming a part of a larger trilogy, but I don't want to spoil too much. for you guys if you have not seen it. But the general premise is Bruce Willis is unbreakable, literally cannot be injured. Samuel L. Jackson, unfortunately, extremely breakable.

And there's drama there. And there's Philadelphia. Mr. Extremely Vakable. Right, right. Right, set in Philadelphia. Now, you called it a modern superhero movie, but it's from the mid-90s. Well... It was modern when it was made. But now it's kind of like a precursor to what superhero movies are now. This is not like other superhero movies in the slightest. No. It's a good movie though. It's a pretty cool movie. But you know what the best movie is? The Sixth Sense. Oh.

You've heard of The Sixth Sense? I've heard of it, yeah. Would you believe I've actually never seen The Sixth Sense all the way through? Wait, are you fucking kidding? I'm not kidding. Wait, really? Yeah. You've never watched The Sixth Sense? All the way through. Do you want to read? I'm not kidding. Over there, I have the sequel.

books that they made. The sequel books? Yeah, on the bookshelf. I have the weirdest books on that bookshelf. Is Bruce Willis in more of the books? No, Bruce Willis is dead. Yeah, but he might stick around. He's a ghost. No, he's not a ghost. He goes back.

By the end of the movie, he goes back to the sky. See, that's what I haven't seen in a movie. Okay, it's a great film. It's actually, like, one of my perfect films. But they made these books that were sequel books, and I was the only one who read them. recently purchased them on Amazon in the pandemic because I was like I need things and I have not read any of them yet but I remember reading the first one

I also purchased these books that they used to sell at Limited 2 that were basically just marketing books for Limited 2. And I know this sounds insane, but I was having a time. I was having such a time. Anyway, what were we talking about? Hold on. You've got Stella Crush behind your back and she's loving it. She's so comfy. I just want to get a picture of it. She's so comfy.

She's the best. That'll go on the Instagram. It'll be great. Perfect. Amazing. John, who wrote this episode? This episode was written by two people. Roberto and James DeWill. Cool, James. Do you remember James DeWill? He's the writer who's also a director on the show. Oh, yes. I did know that he directed it also because I did see that. Yeah, so this is his first time directing a script that he also wrote on. That's really cool. Roberto has not...

obviously become a showrunner who directs his own episodes not that's really a big deal he's off developing like a million other projects which is a fun way to spend his time has he ever directed an episode no wow yeah doesn't it seem like he would I don't know. It feels like his scripts kind of like at the other end, they all kind of feel like they have the same hand in them. Yeah. Even if he's not directing it. You didn't see that play with us, but...

One of the plays... Oh, he directed the play, yeah. Well, he wrote the play. Oh, he didn't direct that. I don't know, actually. I would think probably not. I feel like directing plays is a whole other skill. But I... Maybe he's just not interested. Yeah. No, I think that's fine. But the only reason I was saying it was that...

He's developing a show that was supposed to be for Quibi based on the play, which is called Good Boys and True. And I wonder if it's going to come to Roku because Roku bought all of Quibi. Yeah, yes. Every Quibi series is now a Roku original. Yeah. I don't have a Roku. Yeah, you have to own the stick or a TV, I guess, to watch any of it now.

You know what? I buy this stick. That's alright. If you weren't going to watch it when it was on Quibi, why are you going to put the extra work in now? Oh, here's the thing. I watched Quibi. I was the only one. I know. Oh, you were the one. I was the one. Jeffrey Katzenberg thanks you. Yeah. No, he does.

They sent you a personal one. Thank you for watching our Quibi shows. I've watched multiple. Like I've watched probably like seven Quibi shows. Like I'm not kidding. Like I've watched a lot. I was excited.

I was the only person. You were like, this is the future. Wasn't there like a Spielberg one that you could only watch at night? Didn't watch that one. Because I'm not going to stay up until midnight to watch it. That was so dumb. That's one of those things where they're like, all the testing that they've done.

Let's just not take any of that into consideration. Oh, people don't like to be held to a schedule. Let's make it so you can only watch it when most people are sleeping. Yeah, yeah. Ridiculous. Anyway. Anyway. So there were like five plots. lines in this episode let's do small medium large okay so we have jumping the shark hmm is that the most of the episode yeah that one's really big uh you're actually supposed to say hard of hearing

which is a small one. There's a new ghoulie in town, which is also pretty small. Okay. What Caitlin has always wanted, which I'd say is medium. And Cheryl forgot she did this on purpose, which is medium. Okay, let's start with Cheryl, just because I think that's fun, and then we'll go small, and then we'll figure it out. Okay. Cheryl's mad when Britta tries to talk to her while she's reading.

just so great that people were like, she should have a child. Yeah, she should have a child. But she is shocked about the bombing. Yes. Because everyone's hearing about the bombing that happens in Jumping the Shark. And she starts asking Nana, she's like, wait, this couldn't...

This couldn't have anything to do with the curse I did last night. But it doesn't though, right? That's the thing that I'm a little... No, because a man did it. Right, a person did it. Hiram Lodge did it. It's a little bit weird that she's automatically like, the bum... which has a tangible explanation, is my fault. Okay. Right. But also, most of Cheryl's arc from the end of last season,

was her beginning to have real faith that she might have genuine magical powers. Right. And then threatening everyone and putting a curse on the town. Yes. And in this episode, she goes, wait, curses are real? That was weird. Yeah. Yeah, she kind of forgot. Yeah. Nana Blossom, though. We were right about her. We got her pegged from day one. Nana day one. Monster. Monster. Absolutely monster. Get her out of the house.

So she asks Nana for the paper that the curse is on, and Nana says she burned it because they were done with it. Untrustworthy. Seems okay to me. Well, Cheryl has to undo it. So she makes reversing candles from beeswax. that she puts little little Muppets of Jughead Betty and Archie in front of yeah and the plan is they melt down overnight and then the curse is lifted yeah I don't know I checked out I don't really know anything about witches so yeah sure

It sounded okay. You know, I'm interested in learning, however. I don't think this show will teach me that much. Maybe. I don't know. Britt is interested. Britt asks if we now believe in magic and curses. And Cheryl says, I don't know, season six. Yeah. I think so. I think we're here. We've made it. I think this is the line. But also, let's not fuck with it too much because I don't want to hurt my friends who...

I didn't actually. I don't know. I don't know. I sometimes they're friends. Sometimes she opens, you know, maple syrup companies for them. Actually, Veronica is not even in this. It's very hard for me to tell if Archie and Cheryl hate each other or if like she would be one of the 10 people he invites to his birthday party. Like I actually don't remember. Oh boy. Yeah. Loaded question.

The next day, Cheryl's candles didn't burn out. And she accuses Nana of doing something. Nana's like, maybe a light breeze. Ugh, Nana. This actress is... She's really excited, I think, about her role. If she ever wants to be on this podcast, I would be thrilled. I can't even tell you how happy that would make me. Cheryl blames Nana for tricking her into cursing her friends. I mean, not what happened at all. And the next day, the candles are blown out again. Oh no.

Wouldn't have been funny if there was, like, a montage of, like, weeks passing and her just, like, every morning being like, what keeps happening? What is with the candles? Britta stalks the night. Turns out she's blowing up the reversing candles. I was weirdly surprised by that, despite knowing there's only two people in the house other than Cheryl. There are not a lot of suspects in this one. I was like, eat too, Britta. Yeah. And then... But, turns out...

That's not Britta. Cheryl catches her and she speaks and it's Abigail. Just like in Rivervale. Right. Right. But different. But different. But like the same? I'm so confused about what the difference is between Riverdale and Rivervale. Couldn't this have been? You know what? We're going to get there because I have thoughts. Well, anyway. Cheryl tells Nana about Britta, who theorizes, Nana theorizes, that Abigail's spirit

Could have entered Britta's body during the curse. Sure. I guess. Yeah. I mean, look, none of it makes sense, so all of it makes sense. But she's only in control at night. So Cheryl asks if they're going to do an exorcism and Anna says no! A banishment! And if you're wondering, you should trust her. I mean, it's semantics at that point. Yeah, yeah, I know. It was, like, very dramatic. Oh, same thing, though, right? Yeah, same thing. Totally the same thing. So Cheryl and Nana chand over Britta.

And Britta's bound. And she flashes back to Abigail burning. And then Britta's herself again. But... But Nana seems suspicious when she looks to the spider brooch. Because that's not Cheryl, that's Abigail. I love it. And then she blows out the reversing candles. So where is Cheryl? I think she's in the brooch.

The brooch? The Sheryl? The spider brooch. Oh, so she's like, I think it's like a Coraline thing. Oh, that movie really freaked me out. The movie? Yeah. It's a good movie. It really freaked me out. I did not like it when I saw it at the time. You read the book? i did read the book i did not like the book at the time but i think i was like i have this thing like nightmare before elms not nightmare before elm street nightmare before christmas over like

I used to like it, then I didn't like it, and now I don't like it again. I don't know. So it's like something about the creepy animation that kind of freaks me out, but hard to explain. A little bit of jank. I don't know what that means. A little janky. Yeah, no, it's like if it's animated but it's too macabre. For me, it's like if it's macabre, be macabre.

pretending to be like cutesy but like also creepy like that makes that stuff about nightmares oh yeah nightmares before christmas before christmas like when they try to murder santa claus i'm just like i don't Like either be funny or be scary. I don't, you know, I like horror comedy. I'm going to unpack this one day in therapy. Where should we go next? Ghoulies. All right.

There's a new ghoulie in town. Did we meet her in Rivervale? No, we've never met this woman before. Okay. Wouldn't it have made sense if we met her in Rivervale? Boy, it would have added anything to the scenes. Okay, cool. So Kevin tells Tony and Fangs that he's going back to New York and they say, sure you are, Kevin. So he was in New York. Yes, they must be saying this happened before the time jump.

Restarts. Right. Interesting. Poor Kevin. They tell Kevin that they are now dating. I thought everybody knew this, but then I realized that they didn't because Rivervale. Right. And I was so confused. It's actually... Rivervale took place within a few seconds, it seems. Yeah, yeah. This is a weird scene also because the scene is just three characters explaining their current statuses to each other. Hello, I am Kevin. I am going back to New York.

Hello, we are Tony and Thanks. We are now dating, but we are still bi and totally members of the queer community. I did appreciate that. Agreed, agreed. And a bunch of handshakes. I did agree. I didn't really like that they made that a point, but my favorite part of it was that Kevin... and looks like he could have killed them. Like, like, and I get it. Kevin has been quietly going through an intense journey all of these seasons and they've just never showed it.

on screen but he's been playing it like this has been just oh the quiet rage inside of Kevin and I understand it was his fault that yes yes that's the thing to remember Kevin did this to himself right he chose this when he murdered Jason Blossom in season one That's right. I stand by that. That is Kevin. You know what it was? We went to that one panel and we asked that question. And then they were like, shit, we've got to change it. Well, if they know, if they know it's going to be Kevin.

I really thought I did something there. I really did. It's okay. One day. I will get it. I will get my vengeance on Kevin Keller. I will. I will. Sorry. When we get back to them, I just want to say real quick, this is my favorite Tony hair. There's just like a lot of volume going on. Yeah, she looks great. It's really good.

And they have new serpent background actors, which they introduce with a dramatic sound effect, I guess, to remind us that the serpents are now supposed to be genuinely threatening. Right. For this storyline, we're going to be a scary game. I'll let you know when they switch it up again. The West Side Story gangs are scarier. Be cool. They also sing less somehow. They're worried about a new ghoulie leader from Chicago.

Now, later they mentioned that Mary Andrews is also returning to town from Chicago. And a part of me was like, can you imagine if Mary Andrews walked into that meeting? Yes, oh my god. I did think it was weird. It's like, why is everyone from Chicago? Tony is from Chicago. now moved closer to Chicago? It's like there's an orbit. Yeah, Tabitha's whole family is from Chicago. I'm pretty sure Percival...

Pickens, that's, is he the leader of the Goolies? I'm sorry, no, that guy is English. No, he is English, but I think he said he's from Chicago. I swear to God. I mean, I didn't make this up. I'm pretty sure he's from Chicago. The Riverdale has moved from New York. york to chicago over the past couple years they're like we've been talking about chicago we've been talking about new york too much and katie keen fans are getting upset about that

It's true because it's like, what happened? Next season it'll be St. Louis. Everyone's from St. Louis. So weird. Popular city that everyone's from St. Louis. This woman is named Twyla Twist. And when they say her name, there's a snake rattle sound effect that plays. So they want to have a sit down with her. And so she walks in, and what I like about her is that she's introduced a new patchwork aesthetic to the ghoulies' outfits.

which is kind of fun. They look cool now. She's got really good pants. And that's about it because did you find this character threatening? I'm intimidated by a lot of people. Really? Because I feel like she didn't do a goddamn thing. Well, she was basically like, no. Yeah. No. Oh, no. Right. She said no. I mean, like.

A show of force of strength, intimidation, anything. She just says no and leaves. Yeah. And we're like, oh no. I don't really know what the deal is with the ghoulies. She claims... that uh Hiram Lodge is totally still paying them to do two things destroy the servants and kill Archie Andrews which they are currently not doing right although we think they they're the ones who set the bomb

Yes, it seems like they're the ones who planted the bomb for Hyrum, which makes sense because Hyrum was like gone. Do you think when they did that, Hyrum was like, you have to tell me. The exact moment you set the timer so I can set my timer to go along with it. Because I want to be able to watch it hit zero at the exact moment that it explodes. Maybe they gave him the timer? He was like, no, you're on the phone with me. I need to know so that I can sync my... I know. Yeah. Yeah, maybe.

Maybe. Imagine if the ghoulies are not involved at all and it's just like... What the? Okay. I thought that was a curse or something. I was like, I was moving. They were helping me move. Chicago is very far or close. We haven't made up our minds. It's one of those. So later she calls Tony and tells them that because of what Archie did, it's war.

Now what Archie did was apparently murder all of her guys. That's what it feels like because we'll get there. It's now just me and I'm sad. I just moved here. All this woman did in this episode was come and say no. get jobbed on by a superhero and then be like, I'm going to get you. It worked out for me. She's not working for me. I was intimidated. I thought it was threatening. So Kevin will be sticking around to look after baby Anthony while Tony and Fangs go to war.

So I didn't really know what that meant, like to babysit the child that is not his? I just want to say, Tony and Fang still really don't know how to pick him when it comes to people watching children. I know who we could get. Hey, Anthony, this is the woods. Well, didn't Tony take him to the woods like in Rivervale to make sure he would stop crying? She left him outside at night. Maybe they're bad parents. I don't know. I don't know. Could be.

And that's the whole Tony Fanning's plot. It's cool that they get plots now. I will say that. It is cool. It is also one more plot. Now we have five in any given episode. And none of the main cast really interact with each other. I mean, okay, Betty and Archie briefly, briefly interact with each other within their shared plot. They have a couple scenes together. They have a couple of scenes this episode.

I'd say they have more than Jughead and Tabitha. No, Jughead and Tabitha mostly spend all their time together. Yeah, I would say Jughead and Tabitha. He's really attached to her. But Tabitha, she feels like she's been here forever, but like she hasn't. And I'm fine with it because I love her. Yeah, she really fit in pretty quickly.

Yeah, she, yeah. But it just feels like it's like so many characters. Is that where you want to go next? Jughead and Tabitha? Yeah, that feels like it. So you're actually supposed to say hard of hearing. Okay, so. Which is what you just said to me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So. I read this, and I hope that this is accurate, but we're going to be speaking about Jughead's hearing loss and how he will be deaf in seemingly both ears, actually.

Yeah. Eventually. So we're going to use hard of hearing because I've been told on the internet that is the appropriate phrase. If I am wrong, the internet is wrong, please do let me know. Thank you. Yeah, put in the comments below. The comments. Or DM us or something. Yeah. We're trying to be respectful. We've mentioned this a few times on the podcast before, but in the pilot script for the show, Jughead was hard of hearing, had a hearing aid and everything.

And so it feels like they are bringing that concept back around again later in the series. It is interesting. I mean, I guess it makes sense because Colt Ross is a hearing actor.

I understand why they were like, eh, we can't have Cole Sprouse be our drug head, have people know of him as a hearing actor, blah, blah, blah, and then have him, like, kind of pretend. Yeah, it might have been, like, a thing where they didn't feel confident about... telling that kind of story either yeah to back off of possibly putting egg on their face yeah i think it's also people are very rightfully so sensitive to not giving

Well, originally I actually read in the breakdown, the casting breakdown, they were looking for an actor who was hard of hearing. Maybe they just, when they got Cole, it was like, let's change that. And now they kind of want to... Maybe Cole, you know, wants challenges, wants those kinds of things at this point. Did you know Cole was supposed to play Archie? That he was first offered Archie?

I mean, he's the biggest name. I can see why. And I can see why he would gravitate more towards Jughead. Oh, yeah. Especially by now. Yeah. He would have been a terrible Archie. Yeah, a very moody Archie. And Archie's already really moody. Well, no, he would have played like... chipper and it would have felt weird too. Uh, Cole Sprouse playing chipper makes me think Cole Sprouse serial killer.

every time also they would have dyed his hair red and that would have looked really funny it would have well he's blonde actually black doesn't look so bad no distracting on him but red would be would look really weird yeah red would look weird they'd have to go for like a strawberry more than a red

read it would look ridiculous i'm not sure why they thought it was a good idea because honestly kj pulls it off so well i would never think it's not at this point yeah you put him next to molly ringwald and actually looks pretty good yeah Molly Ringwald only is here to be sad.

Only to be sad. She's so good at it, though. She is. She's the best. She's so talented. Yeah. Where is her girlfriend? What happened to that? It's trial and a twist. They're both from Chicago. Imagine. Imagine. Oh, yeah. I dubbed that army girl. You met my girlfriend. She was so uptight. Me and Twyla. The army is the worst.

Wasn't she dating that woman before Archie joined the army? Yeah, I think that's why Archie kind of joined the army. It would be funny if they broke up and she's now firmly anti-army. Yeah, exactly.

Audrey's like, Mom, this one messed up my son. He was seeing ghosts. He was seeing ghosts. Weird how that was considered a... a thing that was just like a mental health problem and now he is having superpowers for real yeah and he's fine and he's okay yeah and there is a dog game bingo now now well there wasn't before well there was well there was a man

Right, he died. Yes, and then they got a dog, and they're like, what if we named it after that guy who died? Yeah, it feels weird. He felt like a dog. Yeah. I understand the concept is sweet, but it seems a little odd to me. I don't know. Anyway, sorry, what is the spotlight? So from Archie's house to Pops, just everything has been destroyed in this town. It's really funny that Pops has just like a hole in it. Yeah. And they're serving coffee. Yeah.

Yeah, it's the only place with food. Jughead just kind of swings by. He's like, hey, my house blew up. Can I stay with you for a couple of nights? And Tabitha's like, uh, okay. Yeah, it was all very, like... I feel like people would have been out and about, concerned. Like, there's not that many streets in Riverdale. It's the only house left, I think. Listen, Tabitha, for the Rivervale storyline, we already built the set.

So can I just like live in that set with you now? That'll be great. Weren't they supposed to move in together? I thought that's what they were talking about in the finale. Well, I think that they said in a couple of months. Oh, this is them just getting to it already. Interesting. Because his thing is journalism now, he gave up on writing fiction. He wants to really tackle this as a news story.

heads back to her house to do it and the bell outside pops makes his ears ring. I do feel really bad for him. I thought the sound design was pretty good. Yeah, definitely. And I do think he plays not being able to hear stuff really well. Yeah, this is a terrible situation, just thinking about this. Yeah, he's losing his hearing when he's on the typewriter, which is, of course, the loudest way to type. Yeah. So that's really disconcerting.

uh and when he starts hitting a bunch of buttons to like test it i wanted like when tabitha comes in just be like huh you just wrote l a lot there or something this paper is very expensive uh he doesn't tell tabitha about his hearing issues, he tells her he's writing a full expose on Hiram Lodge. Okay. Which he somehow publishes overnight. Yeah. Like he finishes it.

Quick. And then he's like, and then I did this thing. And then I did this thing. Could I have done this six years ago? Could it have avoided all this pain? the one thing and we will get there in the Archie plotline I guess he doesn't even get any of Veronica's like proof that she gathers so like what is he running off of for this article well Hiram Lodge is a fucking piece of shit and has been forever so why

Why now? He's tried to kill Archie so many times. He did not succeed this time either, but he has gotten closer. I mean, he'd be losing his mind, right? If he were still in town, he'd be like... What do you mean he's got super strength? Yeah. R.I.P. Hiram, I guess. He's invincible? No. Oh, man. Their love affair, you know. Ships in the night, those two. They couldn't be near each other if they couldn't have each other. No. Wow. Yeah. Sad.

Jughead can't hear Tabitha at breakfast and she sees him switch ears when he gets a phone call. Where the Wallbeat Journal, they read his article overnight and they want to run it nationally. It's just the best article. It's so funny that this kid struggled to write novels for years. And then he writes this. I also, like, I just don't understand how... Wait, isn't Wall Street Journal finance?

while beat it's not just finance like they did the theranos uh expose do you know that are you watching the dropout no we'll talk about it later but we yeah sure we can talk about it well basically yeah that genre Wall Street Journal writes about a lot of things. And Hiram Lodge is a finance-y guy, I guess. I don't really know what his job is. I don't know where the money comes from. I'm like, why are they rich? What does he do? Crime.

Crime, but also white-collar fraud. I don't know. He seemed like a Bernie Madoff guy in the first season, and then he became like... A cartoon Italian gangster. Yeah. Jughead can't hear a customer order coffee. And that's the point where Tabitha has to kind of drill into him and he confesses to her. He doesn't openly tell her. I was almost going to give him credit for it, but no. She has to make him tell her that he can't hear.

Right, and I feel like it's going to become obvious. He works at a restaurant or a diner. I don't want to give it too much credit. It's not a restaurant. It's a diner. They're different, distinct, different things. And he comes out of a doctor's appointment telling Tabitha that he is 87% deaf in his right ear and 98% deaf in his left ear. Feels like he can hear better than that. He's doing pretty well for that. That seems like a lot. That is...

quite a lot of... She kind of hugs them and tells them they're going to get through this. Yeah. Aw. Tabitha's the best. Yeah, this could be... I mean, this could be really interesting. It could. I really, the one thing that I really hope doesn't happen is that Cheryl magically fixes his ears. That's what I think, right? Yeah. Like something like that, I would be like, oh, I know we're doing magic, but that feels like bad. He's going to be really pissed when he finds out.

finds out Archie and Betty got superpowers too. What? I lost my hearing. Right, I was going to say, it's like, why did Jughead, like, get... Like, it's bad. Everything else is like, I mean, it seems complicated. Yeah, these curses don't really seem that bad for everyone else. No, no. Cheryl, you know what I like about Cheryl? I'm starting to just read her as like... Someone who leaves the house so little

and is so egotistical that she genuinely couldn't comprehend that someone, that there could be any other reason for setting a bomb than her curse. Right, of course. Like it can't be the scary man we ran out of town with, right? Right, no, like literally. last night we all stood together in a line and kicked him out of town and he gave Archie death eyes but I cursed him and that's what happened wait that's so true I didn't realize but yes that happened 12 hours prior

Why wouldn't her first reaction be like, I did have a bow and arrow. I did point it at him. Maybe he was upset. Maybe he came back for revenge. Did she do the curse before that? No, I think it was after that. Cheryl was busy. Everyone took a break from whatever their motivations were to run or hire him out of town. And then I guess it didn't matter because we killed him off screen. No, we didn't. Where are we going next? You want to go there next? What Caitlin has always wanted.

this was my dream and if they take it from i do have theories about this i mean this isn't this isn't how you would have wanted it to happen off screen yeah no i didn't even get to see the dead body on the screen no who kills who kills hyrum Anatole? Some guy. Some Russian man. Veronica gets the call about the explosion and she immediately assumes her father did it.

correctly, unlike Cheryl. Did she call Archie to be like, are you okay? She doesn't talk to Archie this whole episode. No. She does talk to Betty, though. Yeah, they had a nice moment. So I guess they really solved that one. Yeah. Betty tells Veronica that catching Hiram is a top FBI priority. Now. Now. Oh my god, this guy's on the loose still? We should do something.

Oh, now that it affects you personally? Yeah. Oh, he attacked an FBI agent now and now. Yeah. Veronica's going to gather everything she can against him from Hermosa, who is a phone. Right. She transformed into the phone. It is now a phone after the time jump. I love her voice though. So Hermosa asks for immunity for herself before she'll give Veronica what she needs. Veronica says, yeah, they can't charge phones. That's why you had the surgery.

When was the last time you've seen a phone in jail? Ridiculous. It really is. And then Hermosa says, there's so many phones in jail. That's what they get the one phone call with. It's imprisoned phones. There's a whole society we don't know about. Pixar's doing a movie. Oh my god. I would watch that. It's interesting. Reggie. Reggie.

Remember Reggie? I too remember Reggie. I remember both of him. Yeah, we only get one Reggie now. Yeah, that's okay. Reggie tells Veronica that he won't be doing any dealership plot lines this season. He's just going to be doing casino stuff. Only casino. plot lines and uh veronica tells him that she has decided not to help the fbi after all okay veronica is mad at her father she's putting a bounty on his head and reggie says

Are you sure? And Veronica's like, sure. Yes. Veronica meets with Anatole, who is a professional killer. Yeah. And she tells him she's offering him a cool two mil. do you think that would be enough money for like a hitman i i don't how much i don't know how hard is it to kill hyrum i guess it's not hard well the point is what's the value of getting the kill

versus how difficult it will be to accomplish. I don't think it's a challenging task. I mean, I think that's part of it. But I think it's more of the risk you're taking. So it has to be worth the risk. Right. I think that's more of what it is. And that feels like a low number, but I have also never been asked to kill somebody for money. So I don't really know what the going rate is, you know?

Like, if you wanted me to write an article, I could give you my going rate for that. Yeah, it's kind of simply it. Yeah. You know. You get an industry rate after your first kill. Right, exactly. I got two mil. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now every time I kill someone, they gotta pay me. two mil yeah yeah and then it goes a little bit that's why anitol takes the job yeah yeah now that's his quote

He could advertise. Can you imagine this is his first kill and he's actually really excited and he's like, I got to play it. Cool. Oh, I really don't think Hiram is dead. You see, he asks, he asks Veronica, do you want him dead or alive? And Veronica only specifies... Gone. She doesn't want him harming her and her friends anymore. And he's like, cool, dead then. Yeah, and she doesn't say anything. And then immediately after this meeting...

Reggie tells her that his dad had a heart attack at the dealership. Oh no. She's like, you said no more dealership. Veronica is the coldest person when she goes to Reggie's dad's bedside. All she's thinking is like, this applies to me. yeah I know this reminds me of me it's like Veronica babe no yeah also Reggie's dad is a monster yeah Reggie's dad is objectively a bad person he is but I don't really mourn him

No, I'm sad for Reggie, though, who I actually really like. You know, Reggie clearly has more complicated feelings towards his father than we do. Yeah. He seems to be in pre-mourning. Aw. And the only thing Veronica asks him is if he's going to be spending the night at the hospital. Is she going to pack him that overnight bag? I don't think she ever brings him the overnight bag.

She's like, sorry. He's like, it's okay, baby. I love you. She heads home and calls Anatole. Now, I want to be very specific about this. When she calls Anatole, what phone does she use? Hermosa? No. No? That's the point. Oh. She doesn't talk to anyone else on the Hermosa phone. She calls this person on her smartphone. Why? Because Hermosa is the phone. This is canon. Look, we haven't proved it differently. So, works for me. Anyway, Anatole tells her it's already done, which is really fast.

Yeah, he is efficient. For Hiram to pay him off and fake his own death. You would think, probably. I just feel like Hiram could just appear and be like, Mija, I have tons of fake dead bodies. And we'd all be like, yeah, I'm sorry, Hiram. Yeah, totally. Also, yeah, I mean...

He could have brought her, like, his head or something, or his arm, or I don't know. I mean, one thing, if they showed us the picture of dead Hiram... They'd be like, bleh. She's like, yeah, I don't know, emails her a picture of Hiram's corpse, one assumes. Feels like that. And she, like... freaks out the sight of it. What did he do? How dead does it look? Feels like you should not be sending that over email.

Like, I don't know, signal maybe? Something else? Check your Snapchat. Yeah. Oh, it's gone. Can you send me it again? I missed it. I accidentally tapped away. Yeah, I don't... He's probably not dead. He'll be back. Yeah. I mean, there's no, Mark Consuelo seems to have liked this so much that I'm positive that whatever series finale they're doing, he will be in in some way. I do have, I have thoughts. We'll get there though at the end.

You should get shirts that say, we'll get there. I feel like the way this show has to end is with Archie punching Hiram to death. Imagine, that's it. Just like, yeah, it's like, does Archie know that Hiram is dead? uh no i don't know how or most and oh well she's in the room yeah when veronica finds out that's true yeah cool uh a single tear falls down veronica's cheek when reggie returns home

He says his dad is doing much better and it was a stress case. Never got that overnight. Just like you, right? Both of our dads are alive. She tells him she called off the hit.

And then Urmosa rings Veronica and she tells Veronica to watch her back. Blood will have blood. Blood will have blood. So she likes her dad? Phone likes the dad? Yeah. Okay. Then why did she give... her all that information great question right great question he's our father she said and then you'll turn me back into a human and probably said no the curse will be lifted finally nope

The only real curse in this town was whatever turned her most into a phone. Right, right. That was the one sweeping thing. Man, that would suck. And now we go to jumping the shark. So... Jumping the shark or the best idea they've ever had. I was really thinking earlier that the best would describe...

The show is that it just kind of jumps the shark every episode. Right. It jumps over a shark and there's another shark and there's a third shark. And if the whole show is just jumping sharks, then has it jumped the shark at all? It's a show... It's like a game show called Jumping the Shark. Every episode of Average Americans ride jet skis over a shark. Fuck, that's so good. I bet I could get someone to hear that pitch. That seems like a pitch Jack Donaghy would take. Yeah.

Maybe when he's trying to tank NBC. That could be a 30 Rock joke already, I'm sure. That actually, that feels very 30 Rock. Hold on a second, Tina. So, I don't know if you knew this. But there was an explosion in Archie's house. There was. Yes. And Archie and Betty recount the events to Alice and Frank, saying that somebody called them, they ran downstairs, and they hid under the table just in time. Or did they?

Yeah, this was weird. So they didn't hide under the table? After the conversation, Frank is pointing to the table downstairs that Archie claims they hid under, and it is also demolished. Why would it be demolished? Because it was an explosion. Right, but then... Oh, because they have two powers. It went down. They didn't leave the room. Interesting. Yeah, because Archie threw his body. Yeah. Interesting.

Alice wants them in the hospital to get checked out. Duh. Which is fair. Duh. And Jughead says he isn't insured, which is hilarious. I know, it's so funny. I don't have insurance. That should have been a thing to have this like... We'll get through this together. He's like, great, because this hospital is insane. Do you think that's why they're going to get married, Tabitha and Jughead? Oh, my God. I bet that's a thing. I wonder if... I hope so, but I also feel like that was an ad-lib that...

That Cole thought of. Yeah, I don't have insurance. They hear Bingo whining. Yeah, so Bingo's okay! And I love the vet coming out and saying, are you Bingo's dad? So I'm going, yeah. We're the trauma boys. That is also how vets talk. Like, oh, the parents. Yeah. It's like, are you a couple? That's my uncle.

I know it's weird he's still here too. And there's something funny about the vet telling them. I thought it was so funny and I felt so bad laughing. That all of Bingo's legs are broken. I laughed. I laughed. And I don't know why, because I don't think it's funny that dogs would get hurt. I think it's because I was imagining them wheeling bingo around.

Yeah, we also... That's what I want to see. Have we seen Bingo? We've seen him once. One episode, we got to actually see Bingo. And then Bingo's been more of like an abstract idea. It's a concept. Yeah, Bingo's a concept. the thing in an inside out can you imagine if at the end of this episode the vet was like bingo's fully healed and they open the door and the soldier bingo walks out sergeant

It's so confusing. I've just been treating Bingo like a dog this whole time because they're terrible people. And Bingo was Bingo. I came to visit and you put me in a dog. So weird. Such a weird thing. It's a weird town. Sorry, you were saying something else. No. Okay. Archie mentions to Betty that his mom is flying in from Chicago.

The doctors said Betty was fine. She says because Archie shielded her from the blast. But they were in the room where the explosion went off. Which is, you know, like the movie Unbreakable. You're right, it is unbreakable. With the train. It makes a lot more sense that it's unbreakable. But then why...

Do you think someone blocked them from being able to call the episode Unbreakable? I know, that is weird because they don't do that with, like, okay, like Gossip Girl. Were they not able to clear the title? So, okay, so like... Probably. But on Gossip Girl, they used to do this thing where each episode would be based on a movie title, but it wasn't the title. So it would be like...

But it would be like the goodbye Gossip Girl was like the finale of the series instead of the goodbye girl. I think that's a movie. But stuff like that. Like they do puns where they put Gossip Girl in the title. Not only Gossip Girl, but it would be like, you know. all about Serena instead of all about Eve kind of a thing you know like all about Steve yes of course the Sandra Bullock movie that's the only one I know exactly you know that was clearly the reference basically

As Betty is walked out of the hospital, they pass an orderly, and Betty starts seeing him glow red. Bad vibes. Like a red aura around him. Bad vibes. And then we look right in on his name tag. And what does it say? I don't remember. Trevor. Trevor. Hmm. Interesting choice. You know, for a show with a lot of really silly names, there's something really weird about it. It's Trevor. Trevor. Yeah. No, oh no, it's Trevor. Is Trevor the trash bag killer? You decide. Huh.

No. Caitlin decided it is not. If it's Trevor, I throw the laptop, okay? No, I will not. I refuse. Nah. Archie notices while working out that he's heavier than he was last week. Thought this was weird. By 30 pounds. He looks the same. If anything, I thought he looked skinny. Later, he says that he's denser. Which would make him heavier. So he has more muscle mass? He has more mass, but he's retained the same volume. I'm just going to keep drinking my protein drink. I remember physics.

Okay, so that makes sense. He's denser. But the way he talks out loud to himself because he knows that we will never be able to understand what he's doing. It means like if you tried to push him, he'd be harder to move. Yeah. He's the unmovable Archie Andrews. Which I wonder if this will be, well, I mean, wow. There's actually a lot to talk about in Rumor Mill. I'm going to hold off on this.

So then later, Alice just gets a phone call and she's like, that was someone. There was a nurse murdered at the hospital. Yeah, who's calling Alice first? Okay. But he goes, oh no, was it Trevor? Oh, did he do it? I thought it was bad news. Yeah, vibes. Yeah. So, Glenn's here. Honestly... Hell of an episode for Glenn. Yeah. Everyone hits Glenn this episode. Yeah, Glenn. Glenn sucks. Also, remember how Glenn's married, probably? Oh. That was weird.

That was a weird thing we learned in Rivervale. Because he's still... Well, maybe he's only married in Rivervale. I know, but it seems like a weird detail. Like, why include that if it wasn't... I'm still trying to figure out what relationship... Betty has with the FBI at this point because it felt like she wasn't in good standing with them at the end of last season. Did she become an agent? Well, I thought that she was like fired at one point. But there was that party.

Oh, right. Was that season six? Did everything just work out and now she's just back on top? All I remember was that there was cake. And then Frank and Alice are trying to be like, do you want to date? Okay, that was Rivervale, right? No, no. Oh my god. But what about his penis? Does he have it or not? Wait, no, that was Rivervale. Yeah. That was just headcanon. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We don't know what the accident was in the army, but that's... I think we all know. We know. Yeah.

So Glenn and Betty have a full team now. We're very weird, John. It's a great show. The show in our heads is wild. This is why people come here. They watch Riverdale and they're like, I can't wait to hear what John and Kaylin are going to say about this. Right, right. That's weird to think about.

Thank you. Thank you to our five listeners. Okay, we have more than that. We have more than that. Six listeners. Six to nine listeners. Three of whom we know. Two of them are John's parents. Glenn and Betty have a full team now to hunt down Hiram. Betty asks a female agent to look into Trevor on a hunch. She's like, sure, love hunches. I'm not sure how I feel about that. This is why I signed up to be in the FBI to go with your hunch. I wonder if that is...

a good idea for Modforfus to be like, I have a hunch about you and I'm going to go in. In theory, I guess it's a bad idea. I think you can get away with it once. One time. Yeah. Yeah. Because she's lucky she was right. But there will be a point where someone asks her, she'd be like, listen, he had a red aura. So we all know what that means. It means that you have a brain tumor, buddy. What if that's all it is?

What if that's it? I mean, that would be, I think, an interesting story for Betty to think that her power is to find killers and it's actually that she finds people who need to be healed. Oh, sad then. She keeps arresting them. Yikes. No, she's calling out for help. Glenn drops by the FBI office late while Betty's all alone. Don't know why she's there alone. Sure. And he asks if she's single.

And then he glows red and makes a move, so she punches him in the face. But also, you know this guy is threatening. He is clearly trying to be threatening. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's really hitting the threatening button hard. When he says a few drinks, it's like, you should be scared of me is his inflection. Yeah, he's a scary dude kind of always. Because he's huge and has a blonde beard. The worst kind of beard. I know. Why is that so weird? Because it's flesh colored.

blush colored beard it's a it's a bad vibe absolutely mary appears in the episode she cries when she sees the house it is sad her theory is that fred saved archie's life and then we don't really explore that We don't really go into that. I think it's a beautiful scene. It is. It might be my favorite scene for the episode and I think that is fair to maybe leave that as more of an up to interpretation type thing.

true you know that faith is coming way more from like a like a christian angelic kind of view than cheryl's ancestor literally possessing her body true although If they did do a point where Fred's soul possesses Archie's body, that'd be gross. Yeah, it feels bad. Yeah. Yeah. The soul possessing the body feels gross. Him protecting him seems nice. Yeah. That's like a sweet thing. Right. That's why Cheryl does one and Archie does the other. Yep. Exactly.

Archie gets a nail to his arm. He walks by and it rips through his shirt and he realizes he's unharmed. This is the unbreakable scene. He starts pushing nails from the sharp end with his palm through wood. And doesn't have any marks on him. Took me a while to release what he was doing. Knocked me away. And he just starts having a blast. This guy's invulnerable. He's punching through sections of the wall.

He's got super strength. I don't know if you should do that. He's loving it. Your house is already like destroyed. You know, you know, at that point he's probably thinking, man, I kind of wish I could get into like a real fight. And then Tony and Fangs pop by and they're like, guess what?

We just had a meeting with this lady from Chicago and she says, my mom? We say no. Other woman from Chicago. She wants to kill you. The ghoulies want to kill you. And they're just like, oh, word. Word. Where are they? Where do they like hang out? The docks, right? I could find them in the docks. I don't want to go to the docks. But like, if I were by the docks, that's where they'd be. So...

Anyway, we'll get back to that because it turns out Trevor is extremely sketchy. Yeah. That agent tells Betty that this guy did some drug possession. You know where they have drugs? Pharmacies. In hospital. In hospital pharmacies. Yeah. And then she also follows up to tell Betty that Glenn's been saying they did actually hook up last night. Well, Glenn sucks. And then Betty and the agent are like...

Wasn't he married? Or was that Rivervale? What happened with that? What if this is his wife? She's like, I'm not mad. Just disappointed. You did what? Betty, come on. So Archie visits the ghoulies. And he's there for a fight. And personally, personal preference, I thought we could have had a lot of fun showing him discover his powers in that fight. Expensive, though. Yes, it would have cost $1 more.

than they were willing to spend, at the very least. Yeah. At least too much. And so instead, they cut away, cover K.J. Appa in red. He is like... And bring him back around. I'd be like, did you kill someone? Like, what happened? Maybe. Archie's killed people, right? In war, he has to have, right? I guess, but I'm thinking about more like Riverdale. I don't think...

Well, he was accused of murder that one time. But he did not do it. But other people have done it. I don't think since then he has committed murder. Did he kill the man in the bear costume? I have no idea. We'll never find out who that person was. Who was that? No idea what happened. It's the same forest bear man that he met in the woods the first time. For as long as we have talked about that, I... What was that?

What happened with that? That person was just like a, like, he just went away? He was like a hired hand? Is Penelope alive? What happened to her? I've lost track of so many people. She, like, left after graduation to find herself. Right. Oh, they're gonna have to bring her back to save Cheryl in this storyline, aren't they?

Only one person can defeat Abigail and then Penelope walks into the world. Look, I love Natalie Bolt. She chews that scenery. She clearly loves being on this show. She directed an episode too, I think. I could be wrong. No, you said that. That's true.

So anyway, yeah. Archie comes back home covered in blood. Normal. To Betty. And she's like, well, wash that off. We have to go catch a serial killer. We have to go catch a killer. Not a serial killer. Just the one killer. Just the one. Yeah. Betty corners Trevor. He glows red. He's got a knife out and then Archie grabs him from behind. But him having the knife out was the sign he was threatening.

right just gotta point that out like well i mean it does help to have a big it does yeah it does help but i'm just saying it's like you know context clues also like he's a creepy orderly I feel like it would have made more sense if she had that aura around like Percival Pickens or something, which she might later, you know, somebody do. What is that? We'll talk about it. Who, where?

What seed are they planting? Oh, I have thoughts. All right. Betty explains her threatening aura powers to Archie, who shows her how a knife breaks against his skin. Crazy shit. So they're like, wow, we both have... That's cool. Do you think Jughead has anything? Oh, no. Let's not talk to him. Let's not even ask. He says he's denser as well as a vulnerable. Archie says he's scared he'll hurt someone. And then Betty says he couldn't.

because i or at least hurt her because he would glow red and like okay i conceptually that's kind of a fun thing where their powers do have that kind of thing where they where they work or at least they respond to each other in some way well he's not getting angrier he's just getting stronger which means this could be a of mice and men situation the way i'm reading it is kind of like he is

aware that he's going to act differently if he can't be hurt yes but he and he is worried about how that will change him Because he already went out and beat up a bunch of street guys kind of for fun. Archie's not good with power. No. So... Is he mayor? Who's mayor? His dad ran for mayor. The town only just... No, there's no mayor, right? There's a town council. And he's not on it, right? He's not on it. That was the point. Yeah. Cool. do.

Betty mentions Glenn. She's like, oh, I'm definitely going to hurt Glenn. She's like, don't do that. He's like, sure, yeah, I won't do that. Winky blanky. Some English guy named Percival Pickens just... walks into the Andrews house. Pretty sure he's from Chicago. And he's like, hey. Hi. Can I have this? I'm from Chicago. I swear he said that I could be. I'm either imagining that or because I remember being like, it's weird. Why is he from Chicago? But maybe I'm just conflating that.

With somebody else. He's like, I was just in the neighborhood and I was thinking, can I buy this house? Oh, this house that just had a bomb dropped on you? Can I have it? She's like, over my dead body. And Mary Andrews is like, hold on. I mean, maybe. Yeah. He's very British. I thought this was very... Well, we'll get to the thing I thought was kind of weird. Do we know the Pickens name? Yes, General Pickens. Is that the founder? Okay.

He sucked, apparently. He was like a colonizer. Yeah, so this guy is bad. His descendant. Deadline said this guy's bad. When he showed up and he was English, I was like, the dude who played the devil in Rivervale. And then it wasn't him. And I was like, huh. Weird. It's just a dude. That guy, the devil also had a beard that was flesh colored. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, he was like a ginger beard. Yeah, he was blondish.

Interesting. Glenn returns to the office, but where are all the dudes? Oh no, they're gone. An office of women? No. More people too sexually harassed. Betty says that she reported him. All the men have been reassigned and Glenn's under investigation for sexual harassment. Exactly how the real FBI works. Right. I'm so glad this show's being realistic now. Yeah.

Yep, that is how it works. You report someone to HR, all of the people who could be problematic get removed immediately. They're all removed, and everything is great. Yeah. Though I did like how Betty was like, shoo, little bird. Like, go away. She was really mean. She was really mean, but I loved it. She enjoyed that a lot. I enjoyed it. It was great. Excellent.

you know i kind of hope behind the scenes they also hated this actor and like enjoyed this a little bit like everyone's like let's like hurt him let's like make sure three people hurt him emotionally physically and then just because like again this guy has like guest starred on every CW show but not been on main or recurring on any of them and this show is like we don't want you either bam crack

Kill. He's definitely, I think he's going to be a series regular on some show, like, soon. Because that's the CW pipeline. But now the CW is going to bond. I think he'll end up on network. Interesting. Oh, sorry, Stella. She does not like the blinds. I don't either. I'm terrified now. Terrified is scary. Yeah, I think Glenn has a fruitful career somewhere. Not here, though. Bye. Bye. Archie asks Mary to sell the house to him. I have questions.

i feel like early mary in the earlier seasons would have never agreed to this because she's always wanted someone to leave this town yes yeah she's always wanted archie especially to see a life beyond it and i think especially since fred's passing She's maybe given up on that a little bit. And she's understood that the town is Fred now to Archie. Yeah. And he can't leave it.

So I have some thoughts about this. Okay. My house has paid off, right? Yeah. So... I mean, she can just give him the house, right? Right. Not to be like a jerk, but like eventually... Where is this money? Why is this the transactional thing? Right. Because eventually...

Mary's going to pass away and Archie's going to get the house. You're telling me this whole time Fred and Mary have been paying the bank for that house? Right. That feels weird. It just feels like a weird... Maybe they refinanced at one point? I don't even know what that means. I'm gonna be honest with you. It's like you can give your house back to the bank for a sturdy loan in an emergency. Interesting.

I understand that people do it and I know it's like... It's like potentially dangerous because you could lose the house if you don't keep up with the payments. Fun. And that's why you come to this podcast, for banking talk. Right, clearly. Very informative. This is like Veronica version of banking talk. Exactly. When Glenn is leaving the FBI office, Archie's just waiting in the elevator to beat him up. There's got to be cameras in there, right? Archie doesn't care. Archie's a...

He's doing his thing. And from there, we go back to Arch signing for the house. That's nice. I still don't get why he had to buy the house from his mom. Wasn't he paying her rent already? And won't the house eventually be his house? This shows just capitalist propaganda where you're constantly...

to be paying for everything it just it doesn't make any sense like like i know people do buy their houses from their families but at this point it's been living in it for so long so clearly they had some sort of agreement so It feels very weird. Do you know of anyone who is now living in the house they grew up in? You mean not? As like an adult. Like? Not with their parents. Like they own the house now.

I don't think so. I do know that people do buy their houses from their parents. I just think it's a little bit weird if you've been living in it for years by yourself and your mom's not living in it. Like, why? It doesn't make sense to me. Maybe it's for equity purposes, but she's still going to give him the house when he dies, so I don't really get it. Yeah. I remember there was a guy who lived up the street from me.

His daughter was in my grade and we would have gone on the school bus together. And he had grown up in the house. That's funny. That they were living in. And then they moved because he wanted to not live in the house. Yeah, I think that's fair. To a much nicer neighborhood. And that girl changed.

And I hope she listens to this now because you were different. And then one of my best friends growing up, Ryan, now is raising his own daughter in the house he grew up in. That's cute. So did he buy it though from the family?

I think they gave it to him actually. See, that makes more sense to me because assuming that you are going to inherit that house. That's inherited wealth. That's generational wealth. That's the whole point, right? Right. So I don't, I mean, I guess I don't, I guess if your parents need the money.

Or something. But it doesn't seem like Mary does because she's been living in Chicago forever. So it's just weird. Yeah. And isn't Fred's house? It's crazy that six seasons in, we have never gone to Chicago and seen Mary's house. Yeah. They could fake it. They could. Well, they could have earlier when they had the money. I feel like their budget is much smaller now. Yeah.

But all you need is an apartment for Archie to come into the apartment and be like, wow, the Space Needle. Oh, no, that's in Seattle. Wrong apartment. Whoops, I'm sorry. I can't think of a single landmark in Chicago. The giant bean. The Sears Tower? I don't know what that is. The giant bean. The river. Yeah, I had pizza. It was big.

Deep dish, all right. Yeah. Bibbidi-bobbidi. Yeah, exactly. Well, this deep dish pizza is almost as good as Pop's Burgers, and that's how you know you're in Chicago, okay? And it's just tap in this apartment, like, rearrange. Or even just, like... a picture and be like wow that time I visited you in Chicago sure was great. We have definitely been there together. Two pictures photoshopped together then photoshopped onto the bean.

Exactly. Archie's actually sitting on top of the beat. He made them know how it works. They've never been to Chicago either. They're too big. The size is all wrong. Yeah. It's actually Molly Ringwald from like 1987. It worked for us. I don't know. Shoot. That's why she lives in Chicago. Why? 16 Candles. The John Hughes connection. I didn't think about that until just now. Still weird though. Still weird. I don't know why everyone else is from Chicago.

Yeah. Why is Twilight from Chicago? Crime. Crime. Crime is in Chicago? That's what Republicans tell me. Tabith's family is also in Chicago. What's happening there? What's going on? What? Diners. No, that's New Jersey. Right. Yeah. The famous Chicago diner. As everybody knows. Betty and Archie. They have another scene together. Oh wow. They spend time in the same room. Crazy. Betty wants to face what's happening together.

What is happening is, of course, they have superpowers now. Yeah. And so they like doubly recommit to each other again for sure. They're dating now. John. Yeah, they're doing it. You've been waiting forever. Isn't it kind of boring? And then the vets call about bingo. Surprise. Someone else did get superpowers. It was Bingo. Bingo is super healing. The legs are fine. So Bingo's fine, but Jughead's not. More permission to laugh at Bingo breaking all four of his legs.

Oh yeah. Because he's fine now. This would be a different situation. Yeah. Just all four of his legs are broken. Or at least they were. Can I describe it's different for each one? Yeah, different kinds of fractures. And then Glenn, arm in a sling, grabbing a burger on his way out of town, gets into his car.

where the trash bag killer is in his back seat. Finally, this paid off. And he says, you shouldn't have done that to Betty, and then strangles him with a trash bag. So that's why they call him the trash bag killer. Yeah, this one's scented. The smell of death and scented trash bags. Wow. What an episode. Feels like a completely different show.

And it's a little confusing, but I'm here for it. I like that we don't know where it's going. And I'm so obsessed with the fact that not everything is going to be a business crime. Or like Veronica does a business thing. Okay, so should we... Should we, let's go over the, before we get into the rumor mill. Okay, superlatives. Citizen of the week, Veronica for Killing Hyrule. Gonna give it to her.

Oh, interesting. Yeah, not the best person award, but the Citizen of the Week. Yeah, she did what had to be done. She handled it. Okay. Yeah. And bingo, honorary dog, Citizen of the Week. God, I just love... Hermosa being a phone. Best phone of the week, Hermosa. I want to give this one to Toni. I like how upset she is that Archie went and fought all these guys, even though it just further proves that the ghoulies aren't a real threat. Yeah.

One guy took him down. This is my thing. Yeah. I'm like, oh no. The ghoulies who just lost to Archie. Imagine if they had guns. Just a thought. Like, a lot of blood. Yeah. Holy shit. Yeah. Imagine if one gun was used. Yeah. But that's...

That's the thing, right? If that scene had included someone shooting Archie and him not being hurt. And just like bullets ricocheting off it. Whole game changer. But like, yeah, the show can't unring that bell too. I don't think they want to go that far. I agree. I don't think. I think that if Archie were to take a...

and he would be like hurt. Yeah. You know, I would hope because it would be silly otherwise. Like he can jump off a building probably and be hurt. Like I don't think this is like a, you know. Aged like fine wine feels like... Thanks. A last season thing. Yeah, that's true. So like, what should it be this season? Most powerful. Who jumped the shark this week? Who jumped the shark? I mean, Archie?

I guess. Oh, boy. Hard to say. I think Cheryl, honestly. She's in a different show. She's on a different show completely. Yeah. I can give it to her, though. Okay. Or who maybe was our acting favorite of the week? Cole was pretty good. Yeah. I thought he'd get it. I mean, everybody on the show is good. I kind of want to give it to Mary for her scene. She was good too. The thing is, everybody on the show is very confident. Yeah. I don't think there's really any weak links in the cast.

And you can't say that for every show, so proud of them. Yeah, good for them. Yeah. Good casting. Good cast. Okay. In the room now. Oh my god, I've got my thoughts. Where do you want to start? So Hiram's clearly... Okay, so this is my thought about Hiram. Yeah. So the first obvious thought is, oh, he's not dead. He's going to come back and be like, hello, mija, blah, blah, blah. Right. But that's my first thought. My second thought is he actually...

The door is open for Mark Consuelos to come back. But also, I don't want to say it, could be the last season of Riverdale. We could be looking at a truncated seventh season. We don't know what Mark Consuelos' availability is. I think they're leaving it very open-ended. So he could... Either way, we're going to go... Veronica's going to go through all the emotions as if this is real. Yeah. And then probably in the season six finale, he'll be alive. But...

I think they're leaving it open-ended on purpose. I agree. I think they want to tell a story about Veronica ordering a hit on her father. Whether or not that hit turns out to have been successful depends on what they want. dude down the line yeah and what mark's available for now at the end of this ermosa is threatening uh veronica blood will be blood there's every chance That that just turned into another long storyline of Veronica having business enemies. Yes. And stuff like that.

that we've done a million times before. And I'm really hoping it's not going to be that. And I want it to be more Veronica who's like on the edge and feeling alone against the world. I think it's... I think it's worth mentioning that Cheryl's curse doesn't technically affect her. Yes. So like, I don't know if that means anything or if there's anything to take from that, but.

I think just think it would be interesting for her to have dealings that put her at odds with everyone else. And if she's just like the good girl protecting her innocent casino from other criminals, I will be very checked out. do you think that sabrina is going to come back if cheryl's curse is to well i don't know cheryl's curse i don't think matters i think cheryl's curse actually now that i'm thinking about it

I think Cheryl's curse ended up just being a vehicle to get Abigail into Cheryl's body. Yeah, that might be what happened. Yeah, so maybe we'll... But who's going to pay attention to Cheryl and be like, you're not acting like yourself. What if she starts being in other people's storylines? I mean, is this Abigail? Like...

the Abigail from the Rivervale episode. In which case, pretty cool person. Yeah, really nice. Not really that big of a problem. It would be kind of funny if this was just a nicer, better person. Right. And then when they found out, they're like, we gotta bring Cheryl back. And they're like, wait, do we though? No. No.

Throw the brooch into the ocean. And then he comes by Archie's house and be like, I'm sorry, this child is clearly for you. I don't know what I'm doing with her. What if at the end... Abigail takes the brooch and throws it into Sweetwater River and she's like, you can be with Jason now. I mean, what if Nana had done that? Yikes. I mean, like... Hell of a way to end the episode. Yeah.

Damn. Nana's a savage. She's a terrible, terrible person. What do you think is going to go on with Cole's, not Cole, Jughead's. Jughead's hearing? Yeah. Um, well, I mean, right now that just feels like a really, um, sad, bad thing, but like realistic too. Yeah. Kind of a grounded, dramatic thing for a character to go through. Yes. It is weird, right? Like. Considering everything else is so heightened in this episode for Riverdale. And for that thing to just kind of end with.

Yeah, my hearing is just going to get worse. Yeah. I think we're going to have a couple episodes of Jughead dealing with a new reality, which is a good storyline for him, but I don't... Like, there's nothing ridiculous about it. Yeah. I know. Unless Cheryl... Unless Cheryl magically cures him. Yeah. Or, like...

They experiment with the dog to see if that can cure him or something. What? The dog is super healing. What do you want me to say? Oh, yeah. They're going to experiment with the dog. You're right. They're going to be like, we can't. He's conceptual. There's no dog. The invisible dog they have. That is probably what's going to happen. And I did not think about that. That's totally a thing. Absolutely. Yeah. Bingo's legs, Jughead's ears.

I already told, I'm not really worried about the ghoulies because Twilight doesn't feel like a threat. Never been worried about any of the gangs in Riverdale. What have they ever done? Truly nothing. So my thing about Archie is that I wonder if... These powers will- both of them will start as a gift and feel like a curse. If Archie continues to get denser, he'll have trouble moving. Gravity will enact so much on him that he genuinely, like...

struggles and will feel time affect him differently. Betty's powers remind me a lot of a video game. There was this video game called Life is Strange. True Colors. Wait. Is Life is Strange, the one with the clowns? No. Okay, what is this game? I've literally never been able to figure this out. It's like there's clowns, and everybody drinks potion, and it's like they're laughing all the time. What is that game?

Oh man, I hope it's Batman. It's not Batman. I'm going to find it. I've never... Five Nights at Freddy's. No, I know. It's so annoying. It's like, I know those games. I just need you to know that when you say potions, that doesn't narrow it down in the slightest. Most games involve potions. It's like... it's like a dystopian world where like everybody's addicted to a drug that makes them really happy and then you're like seeing the game like it's like there's clowns or something i don't know

You would know it if you saw it. Bioshock? No, but it's like similar to Bioshock, kind of. You know? Anyway. I'm going to think about it. It's going to drive me crazy. Okay. Well, Life is Strange is nothing like that. Life is Strange is cool. There are three Life is Stranges. They're all kind of...

teen melodramas where a kid has superpowers. And so the first one, you're a young girl who can turn back time. Cool. Just like Cher. Yeah. And then in the second one, you play an older brother and your little brother is getting telecast.

kinesis and i think that's a really interesting one because you're like trying to raise him right when he has so much power uh he's like a little akira boy uh and then true colors you play as this uh young woman who uh meets up with her brother in this like Beautiful.

northwestern town and she has the power to see people's emotions physically uh manifesting as colored auras around them she's betty and she can kind of uh channel them and kind of feel people's emotions which sometimes take her over if it's like

rage but also she can like feel people's love or sadness and like really connect with them and kind of help them through emotional crises and she uses this power to solve a mystery in this town. What I'm hearing is she's an empath. She's an empath for sure.

And the reason I'm just talking about it so much is because I really liked it. The first two games were made by, like, were written by... french people who don't really know how teenagers speak and so their dialogue is a little weird everyone knows that french people are only adults well they were american teenagers too uh and um this new game had a different writing team

And it's the best writing that these games have had. Is it on the Switch? I don't know. We can look it up. Let's find out. What is that game called? It's going to drive me crazy with clowns and laughing. I'm going to find it.

Oh, it is on the Nintendo Switch. It's on the Switch. It could be fun. It's a fun one because you have to figure out what to say in the moment out of a couple options. I like that. If you play with multiple people, you can both be shouting out your ideas or deciding on one or the other. Do different things happen, though, if you like? Yeah, yeah. And there's, like, different love interests and stuff. That sounds fun. I like that kind of stuff. And so I hope, I guess. I don't, like...

Do I want them to rip this game off? No, but it would be cool if Betty could sense things other than the desire to kill. Right, exactly. I'm like, because how many... That feels pretty limiting. I was thinking while watching this one, it's like, oh, it's kind of frustrating that a woman has died and that's not what this is about.

Yeah, but... Like, how many people in Riverdale have been brutally murdered, but we don't talk about the victims. We just, you know, more serial killers to catch. Yay, good times. Yeah. But that's Riverdale. I mean, we cared, right? The first season was about one victim. It was about Jason and mourning him and getting justice for him. And Polly, actually. But by the time it's the Gargoyle King, it's just like, oh no, the epidemic!

Death! Yeah, that was a confusing scene. I mean, I guess they stepped up the game by putting us hero killer in season two, but he wasn't exactly good at killing people. No, we didn't really mourn Midge that well, either.

But I did really like, I did like how they handled the Polly death last season. Because I thought that was going to be. We totally forgot. I know. I was like, remember Polly? The victim of last season? God, we were on that road for so long. So long. I really didn't think she was dead.

It's really sad that she died. Was she in Rivervale? No. No, she was. There was that one, right? Or the musical? No, she was in the musical. She's in the musical. That's right. Only in my dreams were all of the Coopers alive in Rivervale. Including Chuck and Chick together. They're alive in real life. I can't believe you made me like Chick and you haven't given him back to me since. It's really fucked up. He'll be back. He'll be back. I think.

What do you think about them having superpowers? It's not my favorite. Because I feel like now I don't because it was fun in Rivervale because I was like, oh, it's fun. We don't explore this. We can explore it. It's outside of the bounds of the rules. It doesn't. I kind of wish that if they were going this route, that they started it with an intro that was like, since the explosion, Rivervale and Riverdale bled into each other or something, because it feels like such a weird, abrupt shift.

I have to believe it's part of the curse narrative and it'll be temporary and it'll go away. Yeah. I mean, I don't love that Cheryl's really a witch. I don't love that is... bleeding into Riverdale. I liked it in Riverdale because it was fun and different. It feels a little weird. I still am enjoying it. This is a fun episode, but.

I kind of prefer... We've clearly crossed the line here. Yeah, and it feels like, okay, how... If it's happening in the real timeline, how far can we go without it getting muddied? So, that's just my thought. You watch Lost? No, but I know enough about Lost to speak to it. If you had, I wanted to just find out if you had stuck with it after it.

goes into time travel, you know? No. It's like, what are other shows like this where like deep in they suddenly introduce a genre element that really shifts it completely? Felicity. Like when the famous Jet Jackson. Yes! Switches from a guy who plays a guy on a show to a show that also features the real guy in his universe. Well, that was like a movie, wasn't it? Yeah, and then the show kept doing it afterwards. Didn't realize that at all. Huh. Interesting.

I don't want to watch that movie again. Yeah, I liked it. That's like a good idea. Yeah, I thought it was a good movie. I really did like that. But I can't think of Felicity did this thing in the last season where they ended the show. She was with Ben, I believe, which is one of her love interests. This is a big spoiler, but I don't know.

what it's fine but her hair stays the same right well she cuts it what i know i'm so sorry it's awful but she gets it back she she ends up with ben and then i guess what happened was the network was like, we love this. Like, can we get more episodes? Even though they had, like, graduated and it was a college show, blah, blah, blah. And so then they had this thing where she goes back in time, kind of, and there's, like, an alternate timeline where she ends up with somebody else.

Oh. Yes. And that's a J.J. Abrams show. Yeah. I remember one of my favorite YouTubers did like a whole look at it because it's the only time J.J. Abrams has seen a project through to its completion. So funny. And he's like, I want to do sci-fi. I don't know if this melodrama is for me. You know what I really like? Starting things. Yeah, that's like the Ryan Lee way. And then leaving. Yeah, exactly. Bye. Wish he hadn't come back to Star Wars.

You know, I could have said nothing. I regret it. I regret it immediately. I have a good thing for what I'm watching, by the way, actually. Oh, what are you watching? So I'm not going to do something. I'm going to do something different. I had ideas, but. i it's something i'm watching the thing i am writing and it is the rise of the i know that sounded weird it is the rise of the resistance at disneyland

I went. You were recently at Disneyland. Recently at Disneyland. And I was recently at California Adventure. Not the same day. We gotta swap now. But I absolutely... or get Steven to take both of us. We I can't. It was John when I say this was the coolest ride. I've ever been on. I've been to Disney World. I've been to Universal in Florida. Like all these things. By far. The most.

High tech advanced ride. I went on the new Avatar ride a couple of years ago. It just I I don't really care about Star Wars. I don't dislike it by any means, but never really was my thing.

This ride is... If all rides were like this, I would pay like $300 to go to an amusement park. It was crazy. Crazy cool. I loved it. Okay. I... want to talk about what you get different positions on it right well you're like in the millennium falcon do you want me to spoil it for you the ride yeah you can tell me what happens okay so there is a millennium falcon ride in disneyland that ride I don't care for. It's a simulator. You're basically just in a spaceship.

you press some buttons it's very not special to me honestly it's cool it's well designed but that's it and i also get kind of nauseous on those things so i was kind of figuring oh this is going to be like exactly like this but no what this is

You start off in like, I don't know, something Darth Vader-y, whatever. Then you go onto a ship. See, you can't spoil it because you don't even know what you're talking about. I have no idea. But you go onto this ship and it's really cool because it's like... that it's like a simulator but it's like a very low-key one and then you move into another room and then you get on like the actual ride where you sit in a cart in a car the car is trackless

And it's in what is basically a warehouse. So if you can imagine like riding a go-kart through a warehouse, going on an elevator, ending up in... an uh like a twilight zone tower of terror guardians of the galaxy type ride at the end but all in a cart that moves around a floor that has no track in front of it

It's amazing. So you have no idea where it's going to go. You have no idea where it's going to go. It feels so advanced. Is this the one where walkers are going above you and stuff? Yes. It's very cool. That sounds pretty crazy. It's truly worth the wait. worth the money if you're going to spend it like you can get

You have to buy like a genie pass at Disney now instead of fast pass. You're telling me. Bullshit. It's bullshit. Totally. The YouTube channel Defungland did a really great breakdown of how broken the system has become. yes i totally i totally agree with that completely get that i will say though like i never say this

I would wait for that ride and I would pay money for that ride. Yeah, I think that's when you actually do have to pay extra for it. Yeah, you do, unfortunately. Well, ask me what I'm riding. What are you riding? What are you riding, John? At the Marvel's Avengers Campus. over at California Adventure, the Gardens of the Galaxy ride is honestly pretty fun and a good idea to make a fun version of Tower of Terror. Okay. Oh, we're going to fight. No, I mean just like genre.

As a child, I was terrified of the Tower of Terror. But I don't think I'd be as terrified if Rock and Raccoon were the one taking me up and down. Though it is an intense, physical sensation. And what a feeling, yeah. Yeah, I will say that. Because... The action is plot-wise, of the ride, heroic. That it's falling up and down like this.

I don't think it puts you in as much fear as a spooky voice going, and then you drop. That's very true. But again, I was like a child when that freaked me out. I was a weird kid, so I really- I'm totally cool now. I'm not scared of the Tower of Terror at all.

It's so fun though. But the other one, they have the Spider-Man. I know. I haven't done that one yet. I gotta do that one. Where there's like drones on the loose and you gotta web up the drones. They don't give you anything to wear on your hand. That's cool. You just... thwip out like spider-man that's the sound effect yeah um to no it's it's thwip i'm not that's the you know in comics they have to write these things out so like they have specific thwip is the spider-man webs and snicked

the wolverine claws I get that one more I can't do this but yeah turns out you don't actually have to do the full hand yeah motion like like putting your two fingers down because that hurts a lot I got the lowest score. They score you. They score you and your team.

Uh, so I was the lowest of the four of us, Beth and Steven and Kim, you were all, were all much better than me at flipping up, uh, different stuff. Even Beth who hates games. It is, it is, uh, uh, made in such a way where if the line weren't so long, I would just do it. over and over again trying to get better. Yeah. I think that's what they... That's clearly the intention. Yeah. And then they sell like a stark...

Iron Man repulsor you can wear to use instead of the web. So smart. And they sell the little drones because the drones are adorable, obviously. Of course. And then they sell other armors to put on the drones to make them look different. Oh, always more. Always, always costs more. Amazing. That Spider-Man, not the Spider-Man, the Iron Man thing. That's genius. Cause you know, some kid is going to be like, but I want it.

we've already spent seven thousand dollars we gotta go back on the ride exactly genius and then they do it and then the mom with the kid next to him that kid's like i want it and that mom's like Yep, yep, exactly. It's evil genius. And I will spend so much money in those parks. I love the frozen bananas. I love the pretzels.

Cook, lime, sinker. They did get rid of my favorite thing, though, which was the pineapple skewers. Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, the chocolate-covered pineapple. They must have some kind of deal with Impossible or Beyond. They do. Whichever one it is. It's in every place now. Yeah, I was very grateful. Yeah.

No, it's great. But also sometimes it's like, hey, this thing with the impossible looks great. Can I get that with actual meat? They're like, no. They're like, no. See? It only comes the one way. Gotta do it. What are you watching?

oh um yeah you can do both i'm trying to think what was the thing that i said i'm watching the dropout i just really like that kind of stuff okay so this is what i i find this interesting jacob and i have been talking about this where um the death of like the small independent film yes has kind of driven all of these kinds of

things that could have been biopics or movies or whatever to TV. And now it's like their Emmy bait shows. Yes. That'll get a big star to play this person for one season. Totally. Definitely true. I will say. I personally am somebody very interested in Elizabeth Holmes story. I was her for Halloween that one time.

Right. So now you're committed. I'm committed. Didn't keep the wig on for very long because it was itchy and cheap. Right. But I did like it. You could have gone for the more expensive wig. Yeah. She had bad hair, so it kind of worked. But it was really, yeah.

And then after that, you were just Caitlyn in a turtleneck. I was. I was just Caitlyn in a turtleneck. I was artsy. I don't know. I couldn't really think of something. I was like, I'll be my own evil twin. I love Halloween, but I'm bad at costumes. Yeah. But... Yeah, I really like this show because Amanda Seyfried is really good. Yeah.

And it is interesting to kind of get into her psyche. I will say it's not as compelling as like some other shows I've watched, but the story is very interesting to me because I'm like, how did she do this? How can I trick many Silicon Valley investors to give me money? How? You've been asking it for so long. Taking notes. Exactly. You don't want to do it yourself. What are you watching? I just finished The After Party. You heard about this one?

I watched it. I thought we'd talk about it. I've been, like, recommending it to everyone recently. It's from Phil Lord and Chris Miller, who've made such movies as 21 Jump Street, The Lego Movie, and Spider-Man Into the Spider-Verse. And it is... about a bunch of people going to their high school reunion where one of them who's become a celebrity has been murdered. And so Tiffany Haddish comes in as the detective to ask everyone what their perspective was from the night.

And everyone's perspective is a different genre. So they do like a rom-com, an action movie, a musical. There's a cartoon episode. I don't remember the musical episode, but I could have fallen asleep. It's like the third one, Ben Schwartz. I might have fallen asleep. That makes sense if I fell asleep during that one, now that I'm thinking about it. Yeah. That's what I'm watching. That's what I just finished watching. What was your favorite episode? Oh.

It's actually really hard. Oh, no, it's not. There's one character whose entire bit is that no one remembers him. Oh, yeah. From high school. And so when he tells the story, it's not from the reunion, but it's from... a different party from back in high school so they make everyone look like they're still high school students and like tell the story of how they how everything kind of fell into place of who they are now in the present and like

I was watching it and you're kind of like watching fate fall into place while screaming no why did it have to be like this and that's how it happened this hurts more than if I didn't need to know this kind of stuff so like it really got me emotionally invested really quickly

My favorite one was Tiffany Haddish's cop episode for some reason. I just thought she was good in it. I don't always like her in things. I like the unreliable narrator thing where she's like, I was born for this. And then she's doing really badly at all the cop challenges. Yeah.

She's really funny in this. I like her, but sometimes I feel like she can be more of herself than a character in certain things, which is sometimes an issue I have with comedians. But I thought she was really good in this. That was a good balance for her. Yeah. It was really good. And she gets the guy in the end. She won me over. She did. Yeah.

What do we do now? I think there's another episode in a week. There's another episode in a week? Yeah. Wow. And we're going to meet back here. And do the next episode. Riverdale is on Sundays now. Yes. Sundays. We'll make it work. It'll be okay.

Interesting. Because they've been on Wednesdays the whole time. See, it's funny because Riverdale Wednesdays has been our lifestyle for a long time. You think this is a bad thing, but I think this is a good thing. No, that's what I was trying to figure out. Because Friday is a death slot.

Sunday can be a solid slot I think I know why it took it was supposed to come back earlier and they kind of put it down the line a little bit I think they wanted to get out of the way of euphoria before they came back you think? I think Euphoria scares them. I think Euphoria is doing a lot of what early Riverdale was doing. Interesting. I didn't think about that. Actually, I can't say that for sure. I haven't watched that much of Euphoria. But I do think Euphoria scares them.

They're very different shows. I could see them. I think they draw in a similar audience, though. Yeah. I also think that, yeah, I could see that for sure. But they pushed it back for the Critics' Choice Awards. That's why it moved back a couple of weeks. I mean... but sure that too but the time i stand by what i said the time in the year probably you are probably right plus it's just a huge show so if maybe you were gonna tune into riverdale

I'd rather watch Euphoria. Sundays, yeah. That's a tough competition. Because Riverdale, I don't think, is a water cooler show the way that Euphoria is. Not anymore. I don't know if it ever was because of the audience that attracts is younger watching it the next day. you know euphoria gets a lot of millennials too yeah people watch euphoria live too

Or like on the same map. Well, that's like the dream, right? You got to be so dramatic that people are like, I can't miss it. Exactly. Because Twitter is going to be dissecting it as it happens. And TikTok and everything. Jesus. Yeah. It's just so much work. Yeah. Um, other than that, um, what are the things? Oh, where can they find you? You can find me on Twitter at Riley tweets, R E I L L Y tweets, or on our podcast, Instagram at the Riverdale register podcast. You can also check out.

My other podcast, Scaredy Chat, which I'm going to plug. We are going into our season two, launch date TBD, and yeah, scene. And you, John? You can find me on my blog. The Catcher in the Rye, which is spelled W-R-O-Y. Good pun. That's not really true, though, because I haven't written anything since my... Oh, man, I forgot to write my annual perspective of life in Los Angeles. Huh. Huh. Huh.

Okay, well, he'll write that later. I haven't had trouble feeling inspired to write anything on the blog recently, but I am writing. Yeah, I mean, hey. Listen, you can't find me. You can't find John. Occasionally he checks our DMs. I will relay messages. I'm doing okay. You're doing fine. I'll relay any messages to you. It'll all be fine.

Anyway, guys, I think that's it. I got to go have dinner because this protein shake apparently is a snack and not a... not a dinner it's not a meal it's not a meal oh my god better have another one then i don't know i've already had two today i have not really worked out so i mean i kind of worked out i went for a walk is that working out i don't know i burned a lot of calories anyway over and out river vixens over and out river vixens