The Rita Panahi Show | 11 June

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Good evening and welcome to the readA Panety Show coming up tonight, A packed program. The Great Douglas Murray joins me shortly to discuss everything from Oprah and Jasinda Dern's seconding love into the Australian Left fawning over Greta Thunberg. Senator Drinda Cox accuses the Greens of being deeply racist and tolerating a culture of violence. The panel will be

Don't miss the part you are.

Don't think that somehow because they called out the National Guard, there was valor, there was no violence.

But first let's bring in the panel.

Joining me now to this gus Today's headlines is Sky News contributor Primi Sween and research fellow at the Institute of Public Affairs Saxon Davidson.

Let's start with the Greens.

Their well former Green turned Labor senator during the Cox has accused the party of tolerating a culture that permits violence against First Nations women within its structures, and in her resignation letter, she also said that the party is deeply racist, while referring to an incident where she says she was assaulted at Perth Airport by a party member, which was ignored. Indeed, I was advised not to report

I'll start with you.

This is a pretty serious allegations right here. Do the Greens have a problem with race? Are they a racist party?

Well?

I wouldn't think so when you look at the makeup of the Greens. But this is one angry woman, isn't it. You know she's just going to get even as much as she can. I believe she approached Labor and joined them because she had a hissy fit because she wasn't voted Green leader. She thought that the Grass was going to be greener with Labor. But of course, prior to that, when she'd left Labor to join the Greens, she found them really patronizing towards women and indigenous people.

So now of course.

She's back, and I think she'll fit really well into labor because she's a mean girl.

And it's full of mean girls.

But to be making these accusations she's a political opportunitist.

Well Saxon.

If she has been a victim of violence or that incident at Perth Airport where she said she was assaulted, I think it's really quite important that she takes action, whether she lodges a formal complaint with the party or with police. I know she says she was told not to at the time, but she's no longer a member of the Greens and you would think it would be the responsible thing to do to report this matter.

It's absolutely the responsible thing to do that if you've been assaulted, as Senator Derindacox has alleged, that you report it to the police. It's the natural thing to do and the right thing to do. But I just wanted to add to this whole thing is that the Greens are the party that represents the most extreme version of wokness, the most extreme version of identity politics, and it is the natural consequence of all these ideas put into one that they're going to turn into each other because all

Well.

I find that those who are obsessed with race and racial issues often do find themselves on the wrong side of these issues because they see everything through that filter of racial politics. Now, US Secretary of State Mark or Arubio has unleashed on a number of nations, including Australia, for placing sanctions on two senior Israeli ministers, the National

Here's what Australia is.

A Foreign Minister, Penny Wong had to say about this matter.

Australia has applied targeted financial sanctions and travel bands to two senior ministers in the Israeli government it Ministers Bengevie and Smotrich, for their role in serious human rights violations and abuses relating to Israeli settler violence in the West Bank. We have applied those measures in coordination with Canada, New Zealand, Norway and the United Kingdom, and together these countries are sending a message you have ignored the international community and we do not tolerate it.

Saxon, what is this action by Australia and a bunch of other countries, UK, Canada, Norway, New Zealand.

What's it likely to achieve.

It's probably going to worsen the massive anti Semitism crisis that we have here in Australia that we've witnessed ever since October seventh and twenty twenty three. I mean, other than that, I don't see any point why we should involve ourselves in a conflict in the Middle East, particularly, and also we should not be undermining the only liberal democracy in the Middle East in a war against terrorism.

Well, certainly upset the Americans prove. I mean, that is not a good situation. Right before the PM is due to meet with President Trump. To have the US condemning our action, you really have got to wonder what we are thinking.

It's going to be quite an uncomfortable meeting. I think for alban easy with Trump because we're out of step with them in so many ways. But this in particular, this government hasn't got a mandate. They didn't go to the voters and say that this is what they're going to do to Israel.

How dare they?

And it's so extraordinary that we have this situation where we have a democracy, the only democracy that in the Middle East, that is being attacked and sanctioned by so.

You know the rest of US.

And it's appalling what's going on.

What about the misdirection of your anks to ham us the terrorists, That's what you sho should be doing. And the fact that Albanize is going to be, you know, coming cap in hand to Trump about the tariffs and the trade. Plus of course he's got to somehow's you know, defend his lack of spending on defense and now this it's going to be a very uncomfortable meeting.

It's not making it easy for himself.

Now, before you go to go, I need to get your take on the project being no more. It's been revealed now that nearly one hundred jobs will be impacted by Channel ten's decision to acts. It's a flagship current carent affairs program. It's been on air sixteen years. There were reportedly proof tears in the newsroom as a Channel ten president Beverly mcgavey address staffed and told them that the lefty talkfest shouldn't call it that.

That's my term.

She said, it just doesn't stack up any longer. She also said it's a click baity show and you guys had to live through that. But I think more than anything, there's a lot to be proud of, and we're really proud of the show, and we're really sad this day had to come, and it's just a reality that it did well. I don't know how sad she is. Those comments are a little bit all over the place. Proue are you going to miss the project? And know some people like hate watching.

It, Well, frankly, I've never I can't stand it. I would never watch it because a bunch of poor community medians trying to be funny about, you know, woke things just doesn't cut it. And the writing's been on the wall for that show. It's been on borrowed time for so long because the ratings have been so pathetic and they've been out of sync. That and Q and A

Saxon.

You're a millennial, You're the target demographic for this program.

Will you miss it?

Have you been hate watching it or in fact admiring it?

No, I will not miss it.

And this whole thing really I mean, if a tree falls in the forest and no one sees, it didn't really happen. It's the same with Q and A. As Pruce said, this isn't going to really change the media diet of many Australians. I'm surprised it's survived for sixteen years. Considering that, I mean, the ratings have been suffering ever

Well no, but it will.

You know, we have enjoyed the content occasionally because it does give me a little bit of a little bit of content to play with for Lefties Losing It and other related segments.

But you know, I'm getting no love for the program.

This is now the second night where I've had just a panel who refused to have watched this program. How can this be sixteen years? It's one logis Saxon Davidson.

From McSween thank you for your time tonight, joining.

Me now is one of the finest thinkers of his generation, an author of best selling works, including his latest on democracies and death cults.

Douglas Murray.

There's a new author who hopes to be an international best seller to She has a book called A Different Kind of Power, and she's got oprah sprooking it.

The different kind of power is kindness.

Absolutely, It's all those things that you think are weaknesses or a taught a weaknesses.

Empathy, sensitivity, self doubt and humility.

That powerful.

Douglas, you've called Lisinda Adirn, the Queen of performative.

Caring in the past.

Did she exercise what she preaches when she was Prime Minister of New Zealand.

Well, very much not.

And it's so bewildering that clip with Oprah because Jasindra Arden says all the things we're taught the weaknesses like empathy. I'm sorry, as I know in the education systems across Western countries it's nothing but empathy. Most of politics, the media and education is all that we should all be as empathetic as possible and we have to understand other people,

She could have had all that sensitivity and empathy was missing when she was even preventing doug pregnant New Zealand women from returning home. There was a case I covered at the time of a woman who had to reach out to the Taliban for help because she was in Afghanistan because New Zealand would not permit her to return to give birth to her child.

But while we're.

Talking about performative caring, Greta Thunberg has been deported from Israel in economy class the humanity or dear and Douglas. President Donald Trump wants her to consider anger management classes.

She's a strange person. She's a young, angry person. I don't know if it's real anger. It's hard to believe, actually, but I saw what happened anger management. I think she has to go to an anger management class. That's my primary recommendation for her.

But Greta remains a heroine too many, including to this far left activist in Australia. She's an influencer who recently Douglas gave an address at the National Press.

Club raising awareness, drawing attention to, and growing media coverage for this genocide that Israel is perpetraarying against Palestinians is not Instagram activism or social media selfies. Let's talk about the fact that raising awareness is not weakness and that's not performative.

Douglas, what's your response to that? Is that heroism?

Is she using her privilege for good as that activist claims.

Well, first of all, I've never been a fan of Greta Thunberg. I wasn't a fan of hers, even when she was effectively created as a construct to make people make it masic. It impossible to oppose her because you remember, she was a school truned from Sweden, and not only was she a child, but she was also was she autistic or something so you couldn't criticize her or everyone said, why are you beating up on the autistic girl child

And she was asked about that once she got off the plane Douglas and she I think referred to the footage as propaganda and she wasn't going to watch that propaganda. It really is quite incredible because, as you know, you've seen that footage.

I've seen that footage.

It comes mainly from her mass they're the ones who filmed it, and it's the work they're very proud of. So for her not to even have a look at what started this war just shows you where she's at. Let's go to the La riots. We've seen incredible scenes of violence and destruction, lootying, arson, police officers being attacked, and curiously, or perhaps not curiously, we've seen the Mexican flag flying high through a lot of these protests, whilst the American flag has been burnt, it's been spat on,

I'm dragging them because they're dragging us. Immigrants built this city. There's no denying that, and when they're trying to take that out, it's not okay.

It's just not okay, Douglas.

Donald Trump could not have hoped for a better ad for his immigration and his deportation policies then what we are seeing in La right now. Just the violence and destruction and lawlessness is I think just lending further weight to his policies.

Yeah.

You know, if, funny enough, all of this ties up together, doesn't it reta? I mean the Democrat policy of sanctuary cities, where if people break into America illegally and then are in the these cities will act as sanctuaries for them have caused cities like Los Angeles and San Francisco to become even Slamia than they were in the lead up

Absolutely, before you go, I want to ask about the fantastic piece you had for this Spectator in recent days on Richard Hermer's campaign against Britain. That's the headline. Douglas is the Attorney General. He says he just wants to make the world a better place. Why do you say he has a campaign against Britain.

Once again, somebody who just wants to make the world a better place. And in the case of the Attorney General of England and Wales has in doing so, consistently warred against his own country. He's getting cover from other lawyers about this, you say, oh, no, he just accidentally ended up as the lawyer for shin fein IRA's Jerry Adams.

But that wasn't the case.

Hermer's campaign for years as a lawyer has picked up every sort of anti British person he could and represented them as hard as he could. It's again, it's it's so bewildering in so many of our countries that in the West that we have so many people in very powerful positions who are who are against the countries whose people they're meant to be supporting they're meant to be representing. I mean, I'm just amazed.

You know.

I would like the British government to have the interests of the British people at heart, as I would like the Australian government to have the cares of the Australian people at heart, and the American government have the cares of the American people at heart. But again and again we have elected and in this case unelected representatives who just seem to have spent their career hating the country

There's this self loathing that is so prevalent, isn't it. And in the political class, in the activist academic class, amongst celebrities, it's fairly dominant in the culture, and it's pretty disturbing. And I noticed the Attorney General recently compared the Tories and reformed to the Nazis, so he's as a great thinker as well.

They're Douglas Murray. He has apologized for that.

Douglas Murray, thank you so much for your time tonight.

Great pleasure as always.

Still to karma lefties losing it.

Plus Donald Trump records a huge surge and support from.

Migrant at the left, and see that coming. Tinum McQueen has the lagers.

You're watching the Rita Patty Show, and it's time for lefties losing it and the hopeless. LA Mayor has called for a curfew as a violence and destruction continues. But don't tell Maxine Waters that. No, the veteran Democrat congresswoman claims there's no violence.

Even those who were out of step with what we're advocating.

Peaceful protest did not create any violence. Nobody was shock, nobody was killed. Get it in your head. And so when.

Martial law is called, what are you going to say? I missed the pont don't miss the point. You all don't think that somehow because they called out the National Guard there was vital There was no violence.

I was on the street, I.

Know, and I went from downtown Detention back out into the community talking to people. What happened in Paramount, what happened in come To, what happened in Inglewood. So first of all, get it straight and don't just rely on what you've been told.

Are the few incidents that you start.

Yeah, no violence. You all are just believe Maxine Waters. Don't believe your lying eyes. Meanwhile, Nancy Pelosi is wondering whether all the violence and arson is the work of mysterious anarchists or is it just the exuberance of the moment.

When there is a gathering, a large gathering of people, the anarchists see it as an opportunity and they move in. So always have to be careful whether you see a burned car or broken window or whatever it is. It may be the exuberance of the moment, but it may be the anarchist setting.

In exuberance of the moment. Unbelievable. But the lines did not stop there from Nancy.

She also said this earlier today, and what you're about to hear is the opposite of what actually happened on January sixth.

You know, the only riot in.

The past decade the Democrats haven't loved.

On January sixth, with violence against the Constitution, against the Congress, and against the United States Capital. We begged the President of the United States to send in the National Guard. He would not do it. Not only would he not do it when law enforcement people were being harmed. Let some leader have died. Who will not send it in?

Where does one start? No, Nancy did not request the National Guard. It was Donald Trump who urged their use. It was Nancy Pelosi, who was speaker then, who ignored that urging and ignored the desperate cause of the Capitol police chief who wanted back up, and of course no cops were killed on January sixth, or because of January sixth.

All these people do is lie and.

These protests, these it's are spreading to other Democrat strongholds like New York, Chicago, San Francisco. Let's see this interaction in New York and doesn't this sum up the anti Trump left. Watch these two white protesters mock a black woman who just wants to go to work to feed her kids.

I can't know, you could just know.

How is it the people.

Not only do they ignore her please and lecture her that this is peace as they block the roads, they then laugh at her for wanting to go to work.

An white people feel about starting a black woman from going to.

Work, Oh no, not worse.

So you don't care about starting black people from going to work.

And this is what immigrant voters really think about Donald Trump immigration and deportation policy.

Take it away CNN, Immigrant citizens, immigrant voters, foreign born voters have gone tremendously to the right on this issue in twenty twenty four and twenty twenty five versus where they were in twenty twenty closest to or trust more in immigration.

You go back to twenty twenty.

Democrats get this, held a thirty two point lead on this issue. Immigrant voters were in the Democratic camp. Jump forward to twenty twenty four to twenty twenty five. Look at that shift, a forty point shift to the right among immigrant voters. Republicans now lead on this issue by eight points over Democrats, more so than any other group

And those immigrant voters are becoming increasingly pro Trump. Despite the NonStop lies and hysteria from the media painting Trump of some sort of racist.

There is no block voters that shifted more to the rate from twenty twenty to twenty twenty four than immigrant voters, and Donald Trump, at least in some surveys, actually won that vote. On average, it's about equal.

So there may be all this.

Stuff right about undocumented immigrants and Trump being harsh on them, but immigrant voters themselves have increasingly liked Donald Trump and have increasingly moved to the right on immigration into the Republican camp.

Joining me now is Sky News contributor Tina McQueen. Tina, no group of voters has more strongly moved into the Trump camp than immigrants, legal immigrants, and that's something that would blow the mind of the average political pundit.

Yeah, exactly right.

Look, most of these legal immigrants have left countries where they're fearful of gangs of you know, turmoil, So they're very protective of their status in America and are very reluctant and do not want these violent thugs, illegal thugs from other countries entering at all.

And one of the reasons for Trump having such strong backing on this issue from immigrants is that their view of illegal immigrants has changed markedly, really shifted dramatically in a few years.

Let's have a look at that data, how immigrant citizens voters feel about people in the country illegally.

Yeah, and this is where it all kind of comes together, Cape Paul. When look at this the net favorable rating immigrants who are here illegally among immigrants citizens again, those registered to vote in twenty twenty, look at this plus twenty three points on the net favorable rating.

But look at where we were in.

Twenty twenty four minus six points underwater. So immigrant citizens have become increasingly unfavorable in their views of those immigrants who are here illegally.

So I think it's so important when we're.

Talking about this debate from a political angle, to separate those out who are undocumented immigrants versus those who are here legally and those who are citizens and those who are voters.

And Tina think a lot of legal immigrants are seek of being compared to illegal immigrants, having the issue conflated as if the term immigrant covers both groups when it doesn't, and a lot of people on the left, a lot of the so called liberals in America make that mistake consistently now. Gavin Newsom, the governor of California, claimed today that Donald Trump has not called him, not even left a voicemail.

He also said.

Americans should be alarmed that a president deploying marines onto our streets doesn't even know who he's talking to. That's what newsm claimed that prompted Donald Trump to show the receipts.

He said.

The first call the Gavin Newsom was not picked up. The second call Gavin picked up. We spoke for sixteen minutes I told him to essentially quote, and this is quoting the president, get his ass and gear and stop the riots which were out of control. More than anything else, this shows what a liar he is. Said, I never called. So here is the evidence, and here is the call log that the President sent me from his phone. This was Dune the seventh.

Oh, there's so much to unpack there, but let's start off with how does the governor forget a sixteen minute phone call with the president?

Oh?

Look, he's got selective memory. It's just ridiculous. And what discussed me more about Gavin Newsom. He is such a liar today. I watched that speech that he tried to put out, but there were so many technical difficulties. He said that Trump was holding a military parade for his birthday on June the fourteenth. So deceptive. It's the US Army's two hundred and fiftieth birthday on June fifteenth. It's also flat day that has been celebrated since seventeen seventy seven.

Oh.

Absolutely, And I think a lot of people see this as a big win for Gavin Neuism, that all the lefties and calor going to band around backing him and he'll again be the favorite to be the next Democrat presidential candidate. But I can't see how he is going to win holding these positions. He is just going radically left again. After showing signs of moderating now played earlier Maxine Waters Congresswoman Maxine Waters claiming that there is no violence or lawlesseners during these protests.

Don't think that somehow because they called out the National.

Guard there was violence. There was no validce. I was on the street.

I know, get a street, and don't just rely on what you're being told. Are the few incidents that you saw there was no valid Of.

Course, the footage of what's really happening has been a superpose behind her there. But what do you make of how the Democrats have responded to these rides. She's a veteran congresswoman and she not alone and trying to deny the violence and just standing with these rioters.

Look, they're delusional, And I think going back to the Black Lives Matter movement and the George Floyd, I think they think it worked for them men, when there is such an anti Trump feelings, it's not working.

Now people are waking up to it.

They don't want violence in their cities and to be the normal American just looks at them and scratches their head. Then what are you going on about? Turn the television on, look at the vision. It's absolutely insane that they continue to say that these are peaceful protests. It's unbelievable.

Reader, Well, we know they're not peaceful because even the Democrat mayor of LA has now instituted a curfew, so they don't do that lightly. But she said that there's just so much violence and lawlessness, so many shops being looted, so much damage being done to.

That she's had to take this action now to.

Five days or sorry read, it's a shame it took her five days to instill that.

But well, exactly because she was amongst the head in the sand cruz In claiming that, yeah, there was nothing to see here, and Donald Trump was overreacting, calling the National Guard in Now.

President Trump announced earlier.

Today that he will restore the names of Fort Robert E. Lee and six other military bases that honor Confederate War leaders for a.

Little breaking news. We are also going to be restoring the names.

To Fort Pickett, Fort Hood, Fort Gordon, Fort Brooker, Fort Polk, Fort ap Hill, and Fort Robert E.

Lee.

We won a lot of battles out of those forts. It's snooked time.

Jange, Tina, Joe Biden renamed those bases honoring the Confederates. Back in twenty twenty three, the nation's largest base, brag was briefly known as Fort Liberty.

But all that is over, Tina.

Yeah, and I think, look, it's a great thing to do, as I said, particularly on the two hundred and fiftieth and birth of the US Army, to honor these legends that the military have a great respect for. And we're absolutely disgusted when Joe Biden did what he did and renamed them.

Well, the military has really been boosted under Donald Trump, hasn't it. We've seen record recruitment numbers, we're hearing morale is high again, and there's just been such a dramatic shift in the culture of the place.

There's now a great respect for the military, and you've got Pete Heskeith doing a fabulous job, and you know, people are proud now to join a four that they see is honorable and doing the right thing. And you know, you don't have to be some sort of DEI program to further your career in the army. They see as a legitimate career move. So it's a good thing.

RETA. It's great to see.

I wish it would happen in Australia quite.

Frankly, absolutely return meritocracy to the military.

Now.

There has been some disquiet from elements of the Trump base about the lack of arrests by the FBI, some criticism of cash Patel. Here is Cash Pateel, the FBI director, explaining what his team is finding and what they're doing.

When I first got to the bureau, found a room that Comy and others hid from the world in the Hoover Building, full of documents and computer hard draves that no one had ever seen or heard of. Lock the key and hit access and just said, no one's ever going to find this place.

What.

Yeah, So my guys are going through that rate now, what's in there?

A lot of stuff?

I mean, that's the thing. People are like, well, okay, go arrest them, and I'm like, okay, well how about you let me run a methodical investigation.

Ah, this is going to take time, Tina, And that's if they find.

Evidence of criminality.

You would think whoever's been guilty there has had plenty of time to destroy the evidence.

They knew there was going to be a change in administration.

Are we going to see those arrests that so many in the BASEA wanting to see?

Look, I think you will, but as you said, it takes time. And it's great to see such transparency and such honesty from the government, but it will take time. But I think, yeah, Cash Betel, he's not going to muck around readA, not at all.

No, No, I don't think you will.

Before you go, I've played examples of the American media doing its best to paint these violent protests as mostly peaceful, just like they did with BLM and Antifa. They're blaming the administration for the violence that's happening. And one man who would ordinarily be doing that, but he's not at the moment, Tina, because he's been suspended by his employer. That's ABC's Terry Moran. He was suspended after this bizarre tirade against President Trump and Steven Miller.

Part of it I'll just read you a little bit of it, because it went on for some time.

He said, it's not brains, it's bile. Miller is a man who is richly endowed with a capacity for hatred. He's a world class hater. And he also said you can see this just by looking at him, because you can see that his hatreds are his spiritual nourishment. He eats his hate. I mean, the whole thing was crazy. And now there's reports coming out of the ABC that his colleagues, at least some of them who are talking to the New York Posts, are saying they want to

Well not an that it's costs ABC millions of dollars, So presenters are now going to tread more carefully regarding Trump. They don't want to cost their jobs and television stations any more any more money. But yeah, I think they are calling for you sack, and hopefully he will be sack and tautal lesson.

And it was only a few weeks ago that he got a one on one interview with Donald Trumps and how quickly things changed Tina McQueen, Thank you so much for your time tonight.

Thanks reata still to come.

An Australian Ivy League student blows the lid on the culture of censorship at Harvard.

David Hogan joins me next. Welcome back.

Joining me now is an Australian Ivy League student who has experienced first hand the climate of hostility and censorship at Harvard University, where he's studying for his master's degree. David Hogan, Welcome to the program. David, what do you make of these accusations? We keep hearing of anti semitism at Harvard and even coordination with the Chinese Communist Party at the university. The Trump administration is certainly at war with the university. What has been your on campus experience?

So thanks for having me read.

Obviously, these are very serious allegations and serious issues that I think all people can come and agree that it shouldn't be happening in terms of anti Semitism and any other accusations. I've personally had a fantastic experience. I've always wanted to attend Harvard and I've had a great time with great academics, and luckily I did miss most of the protests in terms of guys that have happened more immediately after October seventh than also last year.

But overall I've had a great time.

But as others have mentioned before, our free speech is still something that I've encountered and had slightly on campus, and that something that I think these actions from the administration are correct and taking on.

Well, yeah, we do know that treatment of Jews has been fairly horrendous at Harvard, particularly since October seven.

You mentioned free speech, What are your concerns with that?

Are you concerned about how people with conservative views are treated?

That's definitely the point that I'm referring to.

So I think, like many universities across the West, Harvard and others in the US in terms of the IP League.

Do at times have an environment where it isn't.

Always entirely accepted or looked upon favorably for people to have conservative viewpoints. I have a lot of friends and a lot of fellow students that often aren't comfortable to express viewpoints given that they are shot down often rapidly and can impact people's academic performance. So it's something that I think really needs to be sorted out broadly across the West, not only at Harvard, but this is something that is so crucial to the continuation of our civilization

Them down and penalize them as soon as they're.

Express Well, it seems incredible that mainstream views and you said, you know, we've just had an election and Trump one in the landslide. But if you express those views that are held by the mainstream, you can find yourself on the outer or at a university like Harvard. Do conservatives self censor they or do they speak freely and risk having their mark affected or having hostility from the other students.

I'd say yes, certainly. It's something that people are very aware of. We obviously are prioritizing getting through our degree and getting through it as smoothly and efficiently as possible in terms of academic performance. So people definitely do self censor in the sense of not fully expressing their views at times in order to try and appease the markers and fellow classmates.

At times.

I've had an instance where I was told that it was better for me not to express conservative views, would have a specific professor just given that they had quite an opposite world view to mind at times, and that would just be easier for the class and for my academic performance in terms of that, well, those explicit instances might be rare. There is typically a general feeling that it's better just to keep those use to yourself and

Oh, it's definitely happening right here in Australia and have plenty of students who self censor, who put things down in assignments to appease their lecturers, who obviously are very left, so they know they've got to get a better mark if they regurgitate those views back to the lecturers. Tell me about that example you just mentioned. Did you end up self censoring there or not expressing yourself freely to make sure you didn't fall out of the lecturer?

Well, I did, Excuse me, I did in that instance, just I wanted to get through the class and I suppose it's about picking a battles.

Yeah, I did have to in.

That instance, and I thought I'd be doing my classmates a favor if I wasn't pulling up there like through every time they said something.

Well, I mean, I think a lot that's happening a great deal, which is such a shame because university should be exposed to diverse views and really be able to engage in some critical thinking. Now, right now, you may be in a bit of limbo, along with about one hundred other Australian students caught up in Donald Trump's decision to revoke Harvard's Student and Exchange Visitor Program certification. Do

I definitely do. I'm on track to finish at the end of August.

I've finished by exams, and now in the next few weeks I've got a practical internship compon. My understanding is that a lot of the provisions and a lot of the talk from the administration at the moment is particularly centered upon incoming students for becoming in August later this year. So in terms of current students and people like myself that are finishing off their degree at the moment, let's.

Hope that is the case, because we'd like you to see you finish. But I think the policy to better screen foreign students is one that is fairly popular with the Trump base, so I think they're going to stick to that. David Hogan, thank you so much for your time tonight, Thanks for joining me.

And that's it from me. Up next is News Night.

I'll see you at eleven tomorrow night.