¶ Profitable Betting Strategy and Success
You can't be scared to conserve your bankroll , especially if you find a great edge , you need to go all in . I know there's people that this month they made like 20k in a day . So if you're seeing people do that and they have like $500 units , like why are you not going all in ? Why are you still playing $10 units ?
Especially if you've proven to yourself that you're profitable better . You need to go all in and do everything you can get as much volume .
Hey , what's up ? Gp13 here here with a very special guest , a good friend , an absolute monster in the betting space . I'd like to welcome Halo to the podcast . What's up , halo ? What's ?
up . It's good to be here .
Halo . Yeah , of course it's great to have you . I don't know if you saw Twitter recently , halo posted a breaking 100k on the year graph and then said that he was 19 . I was like holy fuck . So that informs my first question , which is what do your friends think ? You're 19, . You just made 100k in a year . What's that like ?
Yeah , some of my friends know my close friends and we were talking about it yesterday . Actually it's just kind of crazy . How did you even do that ? So it's kind of crazy because most of my friends are in college as well as I am , so to make this kind of money at 19 is just pretty mind blowing to all of us .
Yeah , I can imagine . And do you go out and buy a car , what are you doing ? Just re-investing it .
Definitely not . I'm not really like I actually haven't spent a dollar of my profits from gambling . I've just kept pinning it back in . Honestly , I don't really buy stuff like that too . So yeah , I'm just looking to keep rolling the money over and over .
That's smart . I mean something that I've tweeted about or talked about is compounding my favorite . It's huge . On that tweet , you said you started with 100 , which now , Drew and Shiesty , they started with 500 .
That's 5x when you started with it , so they didn't do it like you .
So walk us through that journey from , I guess , maybe 100 to 1,000 , and then 1,000 to maybe 10 , and then that 10 to 100 jump . If you could just walk us through that process .
So yeah , basically how I got started is on Sleeper . They used to have this promotion where you could get referred . You can refer a friend for 100 bucks . So one of my boys is like , hey , deposit 100 , I'll get 100 too , we can start out playing . There's a promo on here . So we did that .
We got 100 each , or 200 for me , 100 for him and there was this Yanis 0.5 promo and that's like the first EV bet I've ever made . So we played that and we actually won . So I won like 80 bucks on that , basically already almost doubled my bankroll , and at the time I didn't even know that I was going to be doing this EV stuff .
I was just having fun with my friends just betting on Sleeper , and back then Sleeper used to be a fixed payout , so it was actually pretty easy to win on there once you just figured out what you were doing .
So when it started on . I didn't know . Sleeper used to be a fixed payout . I was late to the game .
I guess it was crazy dude . So yeah , basically I was just manually looking for odds . I would go on DraftKings and I'd be like , oh bam , it's minus 140 under Rebounds and I'm like , oh , let's play that . And then I'd put it with this promo and the first month I made 200 bucks off Sleeper , so yeah .
And then the second month I made another 200 bucks , which was in March . I started in February of this year . So basically , now I'm at a $500 bankroll . The next month I have another $500 and by this time I'm on prize picks . I'm on underdog a little bit . So yeah , I'm mostly taking advantage of Taco Tuesdays and promotions and stuff .
And then I reached out on Twitter I get on Twitter making a count and I reached out to Drew , who is DM props . So then I joined his Discord server . And then I joined a couple other Discord servers and I'm tailing all these guys learning how and why they make their plays .
And then my first $1,000 month was actually the first month that I joined Drew's server for a full time . So then at this point I have a $2,000 bankroll . And then , like , fast forward to July , I'm learning about golf and stuff . And I know you're a golf specialist , right , Of course , Of course .
So I'm learning about all this correlation stuff and for me I didn't even know there was correlation in golf . I was like , okay , why does one player doing bad mean the other is going to do bad ? Because I thought it was more of an individual game , like tennis .
So then I'm learning about all this stuff and I'm tailing these guys and then I have my first 10k month like out of the blue , which is absolutely insane to me .
¶ Bankroll Sizing & Managing Losing Streaks
What was your unit size when you had that 10k month ?
My unit size was like $10 , $15 too .
That's insane .
It's crazy . I was hitting prize picks for like 25x like every week , underdog 20x and yeah , it was a lot of golf that month . There was a couple of really good tournaments .
The wind picked up and the money came down .
So yeah , it was honestly like it was a really like quick compound , like I was starting off slow and then just out of nowhere just have a 10k month , like one came month and then 10k month and next . So it was pretty crazy .
And do you feel when you have that big month and let's say you have that 10k month , right , and then you plug in to Kelly what you're supposed to bet and it spits out this number that's like way higher than you before . What do you do when you see that , when you see your bet size go up like that ?
Because I use Crazy Ninja Mic to devig some of my stuff . So when I changed my bankroll on there , I'm like whoa , I'm supposed to be betting this much on a parlay . Yeah , it was really crazy and I'm like I don't know if I'm comfortable doing this . Like on underdog , I changed to $50 units and I'm like , geez , like I might get wiped out .
And I actually did get wiped out on underdog with my new units because I didn't have enough allocated into that platform . So yeah , it was just like a whole different experience at that point .
And I think this is actually a good thing to talk about , because I hear people like oh , I have my prize , picks , bankroll or whatever , but you can get wiped out on underdog .
That doesn't mean you've lost your , because it's all one bankroll , right .
And I think that's something that maybe , if you're a novice when it comes to bankroll sizing , I've heard people be like oh , should I calculate Kelly per platform ? It's like no , no , it's all . Yeah , it's all , it's all one . And you'll just get wiped out on one like that and it's fine .
Yeah , when I got wiped out , honestly I was like super pissed . Like honestly I was like damn , I might be ass at this and I had to take out some money from prize picks and , like Jock Market and stuff , put it into underdog again , then went on a good streak when I got wiped out .
I think I lost like 27 parlays in a row on underdog and it's like at that time I couldn't like understand , like maybe I'm just bad at this , but like you'll come to learn that that's just regular going to go on streets like that .
Yeah , what do you do , what's that internal conversation you're having when you lose 27 a row and you think , like am I bad at this ?
Yeah , dude , like at first I'm thinking like am I bad ? Like maybe I should just like quit while I'm ahead . But you have to like kind of go back at your bets . Like I'm looking at like wow , this is like minus 150 . This was a good bet , but it just lost . I just got to stick to the process and I just got to stick with it and see what happens .
Like yesterday , me and somebody in the crew server , we lost the minus 1000 bet that we got at minus 100 odds .
Oh right , right right . It was like a 12 , 13 discrepancy or something .
We actually lost like multiple minus 800 bets yesterday that we got at amazing odds . So it was a terrible day , but like you just have to realize that that's going to happen from time to time and you've just got to keep sticking with it . Keep trying to get that value .
Yeah , and I mean you mentioned the crew , you mentioned Drew
¶ Considering the Future of Sports Betting
. Like is part of that being able to stick with it a bit better like losing that minus 1000 bet with a couple other people ?
Yeah , so then you can . Like , if you like , you can take the camaraderie that comes with betting with other people . It's just great . Like when you win it's hype and when you lose you have some people to confide in .
I think doing it solo was fun , but like , even then I was betting with my friends from school , so it's like you get to share the bad beats and like just every bet you do , so it's fun to do it with a team .
Your friends from school . Your one friend was the person who got you started on Sleeper right yeah , did they take this seriously ? Like are they plus EV betting ?
A couple of my friends have kind of plus EV but they don't like really do it full time or like part time . They're like super busy with school and stuff . But a couple of my friends are still profitable like plus EV betting just like off DGF and Audge M and stuff .
What do you think is the difference between like where did your paths diverge ? You ?
know I would say like I just went down the rabbit hole , dude .
Yeah .
Like I'm looking into like soccer , tennis , golf , like all this different stuff , stuff that's not going to be on an optimizer , like all these YouTube videos and podcasts explaining betting , higher forms of betting when is there just content to like put 10 bucks on a parlay and then you win like 50 and you make like $1,000 , like eventually . So it's cool .
So you like , fell in love with the process .
Yeah , I'd say so , Like to me . When I know on my Twitter post somebody commented you have 4,000 bets . This isn't part time . I'm like it's not really like a job to me , it's just something I do for fun .
And what do you ? I mean there's multiple things , but onto that post and that comment like where will it be a ?
job it could be . It's definitely like something I would be considering . Obviously , I want to finish school , maybe like see where that takes me , but I know this is , like always , an option and something that I can continue doing , even through school .
It's smart . I mean the thing that I mean . The thing that I'm trying to do is I'm trying to do Like you're such a good spot right , because you are doing this while you're still in school . You're not spending your money . You're laying a compound by the time you get out . So you're what ? You're a sophomore now .
Is that ?
19th sophomore . Yeah , so you'll be a millionaire by the time you graduate and then doesn't really matter .
What do you do ? Hopefully , I know for you this is a job and for others this is a job , so I know that it can be a job and it's very lucrative . But there's a lot of challenges that come with doing it full time that you wouldn't experience , just like I am in my first year of doing this .
Yeah , well , it's interesting because I was also in 1918 , 1918 when I started playing online poker . I was also in college and online poker got shut down basically in the US .
I don't know if you knew about like full tilt poker , poker stars , but back in the day they got shut down , a lot of like our money got frozen and I wasn't as successful as you , but I had made enough where it could have been a job and I could have dropped out of school , but I didn't , and I'm happy I didn't .
But I also was kind of like stupid with the money , because you're being very bruisable and smart about it and that's already setting you up to be way way ahead . But I do think , like I think I had a tweet where I was like Billy Walters isn't even a full time sports better . He owns golf courses and automobile businesses . You can always do both right .
So if you don't have to choose , don't choose , but keep doing like I think , like you showed what you can do with it as a side hustle . Why not just keep crushing it ?
Yeah , I think if you want to take it full time , it's definitely like a whole another level . There's a lot of things to consider . There's a lot of moving parts that you're going to have to navigate While I was doing it part time . You can just be content with staying at like the same level and taking your money every single month .
Yeah , that's a great point and I know , like you and I have had conversations outside of this one on like more of what that entails , like how do you can get more volume down of the ways , whatever ?
And you're right , like it adds a whole another headache that me and Dan Dollar , who you know , my partner there's a lot of operational stuff that you deal with that isn't necessarily like the fun stuff of betting , but you know it's like anything else , it's not bad , but like I think you're having more fun doing it your way , I'm sure .
And what are you in school for , by the way ?
I'm doing business economics .
Gotcha . Yeah , that's wise . Do you give up and go give a presentation about , like , how good of a business it is to do correlated parlays on a hundred ?
dollars . Anybody can do them , so why not ? I know ?
I know that's true , and have you like tried to get your friends more Like ? I'm just thinking about , like you've done so so well , and you're like , hey , like you can at least just like that quarterbacks and wide receivers , you know , like , just do that or something like just do it every week .
Yeah , Do you try and drag them in because you're like this is such a good opportunity .
I mean , some of my friends are like you think Tua , tyree , dwaudal are all going over ? Dude , you're crazy . And then some of them that are like already using DGF and stuff , they're like see this stuff on Twitter and they'll pay like five bucks on a correlated parlay and they've had some pretty good success . So like it's just a learning curve .
Like when I first started , I'm not going to think like let's take Dwaudal , mahomes , tyree , tua , let's take them all under . That's the stupidest thing ever . Somebody's going to go over , right ?
But now that , like once you learn the math behind it and the why and the how , you kind of realize like this is profitable , even though this may not be the most fun thing . I'm not going to want to watch this game if they go all under , but that's how you're going to make some money .
Yeah , it's like that's good . Then you don't watch the game . I remember there's a Brett said on Twitter . He was like if you bet on this , but once you bet , them like go spend time with your girl because it's just painful to watch .
Nobody likes watching under dude .
No one likes watching under , and that's why they have that extra juice , that's why they just got that extra little juice . What I want to go back to something you said about finding stuff that's not on odd screens . So do you want to expand on that , Like as to why that's valuable not on optimizers , not on odd screens ?
Sure , let's see , everybody's going to be looking at these odd screens . I'm sure the DGF and AudgeM have thousands of users , thousands of active users , just scanning their thing every single day . So when underdog clops up and says , hey , yonis , over 27 points is minus 150 . That's going to be gone in like a minute or so . The edge on that is minuscule .
You're getting maybe 10 cents no big value better than a three-pick parlay on underdog .
So while there's still value to that and you can get a ton of volume which will be profitable over time and I do suggest that I don't think that that's going to be your biggest edge you kind of have to go off into , let's say , cricket and just mess around in that category and see what you can find .
Maybe somebody like maybe you can find a correlated parlay on there and maybe it will be profitable . Maybe one of the sites will mess up on a tennis match and listen to both of the players , stuff like that . So you kind of just have to look out .
You have to be creative and think outside of the box to find some stuff that you normally wouldn't , and those things are going to have a bigger edge and you're going to be more profitable when they're not optimized .
Couldn't have said it better myself and couldn't have said it better yeah , anything off-screen , off-optimizer , off , whatever , like you said , the eyeballs are diminished and at the end of the day , these sports books , they don't necessarily want to lose money , as we all know now .
So if only a few of you are hitting it , it's much better than it'll stay up much longer .
Now it's interesting , you say , when they list the two tennis players playing each other , and I think that's an important part of sports betting that is underappreciated , because you could be a good modeler , right , and you could be like , oh , I get 3% , I do 3% ROI on circa MBA and you're amazing , you make a lot of money .
But in a situation where underdog could post both tennis players and you can obviously make a fully correlated parlay , you're getting like 100% ROI . And those are the spots . There's going to be spots that come up where you get these like 100% ROI , and how do you go about finding these and how much do you think those make up of your total betting profit ?
I'm curious .
¶ Maximizing Betting Profit Through Rare Opportunities
As far as total betting profit , I think the edges make up probably more than 50% , like those rare spots . Yeah just because they're so good and you have to put more than like a unit or more , most cases more . They don't really pop up too often . I wouldn't say .
As far as finding them myself , I can find a few here and there , but some other people have found some as well , like golf on underdog with those correlated parlays was just printing I didn't find that . I was telling people on that .
But yeah , like to find those , you just need to be like looking in the trenches , you need to look where nobody else wants to look . And like 12am , before I'm going to bed the other night , I'm up on BetRivers looking at these soccer lines . This is interesting . Let's look at 365 . Let's look at underdog . Is there any value here ?
Can I correlate any of these ? Is somebody off here ? How much is use there , stuff like that ? So you have to consider all these different things and like , if you truly find an edge , you have to hammer it .
That's right . It's like in that spot where you have the two tennis players playing each other they listed by accident whatever golf correlation where you can do five overs on strokes , as we all remember , that was great .
Those spots , like you almost are like Kelly kind of goes out the window in those spots and it turns into a situation where it's how much can I get down ? Is that how you think about those spots when you talk about hammering it ?
I think when I was building my bankroll it's more of how much can I risk the lose without being pissed the next day and being in a hole and not being able to bet on new stuff . But today it's like how much can I get down On underdog ? I can only pay 50 bucks on a correlated NFL parlay .
So if I can go on all these other apps and put down another like 10K , then sure , like I'll for sure do that . I know you paid 12K on battery last week and did well . So it's just a game of once you have the bankroll , how much can I get down when I know I have an edge ?
Yeah , and this is something like it's so tricky talking about bankroll and bankroll advice because it's so meaningful . I don't want to encourage people to bet too much . It feels way worse to encourage people to bet too much than too little .
But I do think that some spots that exist right now are just like dream spots , like once every 10-year spots , and we've seen them kind of patch up a little bit . But it's worth , like when a book kind of fucks up or doesn't see something that there's an obvious reason , like two times players playing each other , correlated , obvious , correlated parlays .
You got to go hard on those because the resting state of sports betting is grinding out these like 3% to 4% edges and then occasionally something pops up . So I mean you hear Halo here say those rare spots , those will account for like 50% of profits . I would even say that might be underselling what I've experienced .
I found rare spots that I always say could be like 75% . You just hammer these rare spots that you might only get one shot at or once a week at , whatever those are important . But you have to stay in the trenches , like Halo's , like you're listening to what Halo's saying about when he's going to bet .
He's running through all these questions about Rivers , curious . Check this , check the juice , check Bet365 . These are the things you do so that you stumble upon right Like that rare spot you almost like accidentally find it right .
Yeah , you're not looking for something . You're just like you're looking casually , like considering this and that and like , oh wow , this might be a thing , and once you realize it's a thing , that's just it .
And then you kind of think , wait , am I right ? Like is this , what am I wrong ? Because then , like , right before you go to click him , like the huge bet , you're like wait is this stupid .
I'm about to risk like 5% of my bankroll on this and my dumb yeah , exactly . Yeah exactly . There's always that moment right before you click submit , just like hmm , let me think about this real quick yeah exactly .
You're like wait , wait , wait . Yeah , it's so funny because that never really goes away . Like when you find a great spot , it's usually like impossible to quantify like how good it is . So you always kind of feel a little unsure clicking it , clicking it in , Like you said , like you didn't yes , this is good .
So you didn't understand golf at the time when you first started tailing people who were playing like the correlated parlays . What gave you the confidence to click those in , even without really knowing the game of golf that well ?
I think it's the fact that that on some platforms that would reduce the payout , or on sportsbooks , they would reduce the payout If you put in that same exact parlay , whereas on prize picks and underdog you can get this crazy payout , as well as the fact that these guys that I was tailing were just going crazy with it .
This is so important . It's like that double checking thing and that's always a good signal . It's like , well , is this nerf other places ? Is this not even allowed at other places ? You're not going to be able to parlay on traditional sportsbooks . Actually , that's not true .
I had the Caesars Palace golf score parlay from earlier , but like that would last for the week . But you check , is this being allowed ? If it's not being allowed , right , Like Halo says , the payout's reduced , but it's not reduced here . That's actually when I was doing the better thing . Better will not allow you to go all unders NFL .
They'll allow you to go all overs on a game . Prize picks . They reduce the payout for all unders , but for all overs you can hammer away .
Halo , what would you say ? That means .
I would say that means they think the overs are a little bit worse than the underings .
I would agree with you and that's exactly the type of thinking . When you're thinking about sports betting , you're not thinking necessarily in terms of what's the game on the field . You're thinking about what's the game at these books . What game are they playing ?
From a casual perspective , you're thinking can I win ? 60% Is my home is going over this week . But once you get into EV or professional , amateur sports betting , you're thinking about what's the price here ? Is there an efficiency here ? Who's wrong ? Is there sharp money coming on this sharp book that's changing the soft book . What's going on ?
Why is this happening ? Should I bet this ? Why should I bet this ? You need to know . For me , the learning process was more like the why and the how , because I'm not just going to do something for no reason . I want to put some logic to it .
Let's say you find someone who thinks kind of sharp , you see a couple of their slips . Are you just deconstructing their process from the second , like you see their slips to be like ? Hmm , I wonder what they're doing .
Yeah , if I see it's winning slip on Twitter from , say , some guy that's profitable on picket , be like , hmm , maybe this will be good . Let's see how he did this . What were the odds ? Why did he do that ? I know there was a free throws and fouls slips going around when the season started for .
NBA and I'm thinking hmm , I don't know how we would quantify this because the books don't post the odds for that , but they seem somewhat correlated , maybe loosely correlated . Is there something there ? And clearly there was something there because it got passed already .
But you have to just think about how and why that parlay was constructed and why it's good or why it's bad .
Yeah , exactly , I think it really does highlight how often are you thinking about the actual sport being played . I'm curious .
To be honest , it doesn't really matter . You need contacts for things . Of course you can't just say NFL and NBA are similar because they're completely different sports . But if you're looking at things from an odds or price perspective , then it doesn't really matter what sport you're betting on . It could be Chinese table tennis .
Yep and prize picks will probably offer that .
They love to offer a ton of stuff .
So I guess what kind of I always like to talk about this . It's like if you could start over , what would you do differently ? Let's say you go back to Halo depositing , getting the 100 match or whatever . What would you do differently to scale to where you are now , but faster , assuming you don't know everything you know now , but you're truly starting over ?
To start , I would just take advantage of promos . Promos are the biggest thing when you're first starting and they'll have more of an impact on your bankroll when you start as opposed to now when I was starting . I don't want to admit this , but I was hedging the prize picks promos for a free $12.50 to build my bankroll .
At a certain role . That's correct . At a certain role , size .
You've got to take advantage of the promos . Once you take advantage of the promos assuming you don't know about all this correlation stuff and all these advanced strategies just get on as many platforms as you can .
Ideally you'd want to be on books and DFS Obviously in California , I can't but there's lots of promos to take advantage of and there's lots of value to take advantage of . Even if you don't know everything . You're going to get an edge just by looking at odd screens and having different platforms and building your bankroll up with promos .
Yeah , promos . It's funny because people say winning at sports betting is hard , but you could just deposit , play the promos .
And you double-double .
Yeah , you're winning sports better right .
Yeah .
So why did more people not do that ?
It's something that people don't know about . There's a misconception that these promos are a scam . I see some people saying that the tacos are a scam , but they hit 80% of the time Come on just play those .
That's what I say . Close your eyes and play the taco .
Exactly . I'm pretty sure PrizePix is not calling up Jimmy , but they're saying hey , jimmy , we need you to go under tonight . We got five bucks from so-and-so on you .
Yeah , that's what they want you to think .
Exactly but .
Halo is obviously an employee , is what we have found . Yeah , what do you think ? Has your mindset just about everyday life things changed since you've become a successful , better ?
I don't think that it has that much . I still live the same lifestyle . I'm still doing the same things as I did back in February . There's certain things , like certain purchases , where I feel like , hey , this is why would I do this ? Or investments that can be made .
They're like well , I can just make 20% on sports betting per day , so why would I invest my money into this ? Generally , I wouldn't say that my perspective on everyday life has changed too much .
Yeah , I guess what I was more getting at is when you train that muscle of thinking like an advantage player , like a plus EV , better of thinking an EV , I've found , at least personally . Sometimes it's hard to snap out of that mindset a little bit it starts to seep into everyday life , thinking about hourly too much or whatever .
But that was just my experience .
Yeah , I mean , for me it's like I found a cut down on my time just doing random stuff . It's kind of just like school go to the gym betting all day , go to sleep , do it all over again .
Not bad . You having fun .
Yeah , dude , I think it was fun doing it by myself and with my friends , but meeting some of the people in the space like yourself , Drew , and some people in the crew it's just a blast . Just going talking every day , being on FaceTime doing this podcast , it's a blast .
Yeah , no , I mean , it is interesting because and Drew is an extreme example of this too is work-life balance , when you say your schedule doesn't necessarily seem like you have it , but that's fine , you're doing healthy stuff , your mind's active , you're meeting people , it's all kind of wrapped up in this , right .
Yeah .
Yeah , I always wonder about that , because the best badders are kind of obsessive . It's such like now , how do you rectify this ? It's so important to be in your seat , be ready to go , because , as you know , anything can move in a minute , two minutes , yeah , and how do you like you must just be a really big dear friends like think you're a phone guy .
They're like look at this phone guy over here . Oh , it's my screen time . Like I'll lock in for a couple of hours at a time just at my desk on my computer . Then I'll like go make some food , go back to the computer , but I would say I am kind of obsessive about it .
Like I'll go to the gym mid-set and I'll be like oh , there's a new play , oh shoot , yeah , let me do this real quick . I'll go to the bathroom and I'll be there for 10 minutes like oh shoot , I missed my next set .
Yeah , it turns into like a four hour workout .
It's like I got to get this bed and this is more important free money .
Yeah , no , I mean , that's something that , like everybody who I think does this well knows is like also the time , because you're saying , like there's a time when I knew to lock in for a couple of hours .
Yeah , and usually , since you're doing this well , being a full time student , like talk to the people who are listening , who also want to do this , maybe full time , but have success about finding those like power hours , those like two to three hours that are so important .
Yeah , so right now , like the most important time for me is like two to four , 30 Pacific time , Right before the NBA games start .
¶ Balancing Sports Betting and Other Responsibilities
Usually I'm just locked in on my computer . I'm going , I have like 12 different sites open . I'm scrolling through odds , different sites , who's in , who's out ? Let's say , ingram is out . What does this affect ? Yeah , let's wait .
On this site , this site , this site try to get as much money down that I'm on FaceTime with the guys like trying to figure out where there's more value , and for that like set amount of time , like I'm not doing anything else . I'm not going to go make food , I'm not going to grab some water , I'm .
I'm just locked in for two and a half hours to my computer , to my phone , and . But there's other times where it's like in the morning I can be more chill , I can make food and just be on my phone . Oh , there's a play , let me put this in . Okay , then let me put this on the stove , stuff like that .
Yeah .
Yeah so , but there's times like two to four , 30 right now , like you got to lock in , that's when you're going to get all your volume .
Yep , yep . And especially like if you only have the two hours to give , it's even that Exactly More important right . Like , yeah , do you think that do ?
everything around your day , then two to four 30 is lock in buddy like it's time yeah .
Honestly , like my wife's going to listen to that and tell me I needed to do that . Play my time better . Yeah , because I'm always like oh yeah , I got to look at this .
Now I forgot to update that like I need to be better , since I kind of since I do this full time , like I almost find that I'm a little lackadaisical about time management because I have more of it .
But if you know , I think that you're on such a tight schedule , it's like really it's so important that you do this and a lot of people that are listening like want to have the success you have but also work other jobs and that's like this is how you do it right , like be on every book , be in front of the computer at the right times , make the bets .
Don't sweat them . You know rinse for people . Do you sweat your bets ? That's the question .
I do sweat my bets sometimes , but I'm trying to get better at trying to not watch them at all . I want to be able to just put the phone down , go do something else and then come back in the morning . Oh , I want a thousand dollars , nice .
Yeah , me too , Me too man .
I always find myself checking the scores and just like , oh shoot , this parley's cooked oh this one has life You're like oh God , I hope this doesn't go to overtime , Something like that .
Yeah , man , it is tough and I do like watching sports . Do you watch ? Like before you did this , did you like watching sports ?
Yes , I played and I watched sports like a time , so I just kind of have a love for it in general .
Yeah , makes sense . So , like it's also that that's where it gets tricky because , like , you also like watching sports , but are you watching it because ?
you're watching it for the right reasons , or not ?
Yeah , exactly , are you watching it for the right reasons ? It's like the bachelor . Are you here for the right reasons ? Yeah , I would like to be better at that too . But what can you do ?
It's still fun .
Yeah , it's fun .
Like , have you wondered about transitioning to like what you call a more normal job , when you know like you've had fun , good lifestyle , like you've enjoyed doing this , and then like you're going to go work for a job that probably wouldn't pay you as much , unless you're , like going to invest in banking and again I don't know what you're looking to do .
But like , do you think about that ?
Yeah , like I couldn't imagine myself just like working at Chick-fil-A or something , Not only would it be not you , but like it's kind of wasting my time there , right .
But yeah , like , as far as like a real job , like , I think , as a stepping stone to get to a better job , I'd be willing to like take something that pays less than what my sports betting provides , while also still doing sports betting . But , I couldn't just see myself like working an office job for $20 an hour for the rest of my life .
Yeah , that's great . I mean you already basically don't have to . Since you did well and you've saved your money . I mean it's good because it gives you options , right ?
¶ Entrepreneurship and Networking in Sports Betting
Yeah , if you were to go blow your money on like a sports car right now , you would go back to not really having options , but you have money in the bank . You could even like do you ever think about entrepreneurship ? And like using your money to start your own thing ? Yeah , Outside of betting , I mean .
Yeah for sure , Like I would . I'm super like real estate is one of the things that I've been looking into . It's one of the things I'm interested in . Starting my own business is obviously something I'd be interested in , but it takes a lot of capital and it takes a lot of mind power .
So I think in doing sports betting that helps me build up the capital side of it , to give me just another option , as if I wanted to go into that side of things .
Yeah , I've always thought that advantage gambling is like a good stepping stone to anything entrepreneurial because at the end of the day you're running a business , right ? Do you think about your personal sports betting kind of as a business ?
Well , up to this point I wouldn't say it was a business , I would just say it was a hobby that I do for fun . But I was like kind of progressed into more advanced sides of advantage gambling . I would say it's kind of going to turn into more of a business kind of operation , especially if you want to go to the higher levels , like you and Dane .
To it's . You know . Shout out to Dane , get him on the podcast one day .
Gotta get the voice changer first yeah the voice changer , what ?
so , going from that , what would you tell somebody who's like ? Who's you like four months ago ? They've done the promo thing right . They've built the role to like maybe five , 10,000 and they're using like DGF , they're using odd gym , but they can't like .
Take that next leap to where you're making like the real money , Like how do you get somebody from like that 10K range , 100K range ? What's different there ?
I think what's different is just having the knowledge and the volume , as well as just knowing people . If you know a lot of people and you are befriending a lot of people , getting their ideas , giving them your ideas , you're going to , just , through that process , stumble upon something good .
I know this season we had correlation NFL correlation which I made probably about 20% of my yearly profits on . So and the other thing that I would say is that you have to go all in . You can't be scared to conserve your bankroll . Especially if you find a great edge , you need to go all in .
I know there's people that this month they made like 20K in a day . So if you're seeing people do that and they have like $500 units , like why are you not going all in ? Are you still playing $10 units ?
Especially if you've proven to yourself that you're a profitable , better you need to go all in and do everything you can get as much volume , profitable volume .
So you think it's like at least half a mindset thing .
Yeah , I think half is a mindset and the other half is finding extremely profitable bets .
And you talked about networking like sharing edges and one thing that I think you and Drew do really well , and Shai-Si too , which it's get to know people right Like you , and I DMed on Twitter early on and I was blown away by your results . I remember you posted like you had a 40K month or something or some huge month and I just had to deem .
I was like I think this kid , halo , made more money last month like this kid's a beast and getting to know you and Drew .
Like there's certain edges there and I hope that we've provided help to you guys too , and it's all about you guys taught me so well because it's like we were always scared to give away any information , but if you give a little you'll get more right , because it's just like the whole is greater than some of the parts , yeah you're still in college , You're still
smart . I mean , yeah , is that like your ? How would you approach networking then ? Like you reached out to Drew on Twitter pretty early on . Like what would you tell somebody who's just started Twitter account today ?
Yeah . So I mean , if you give a little , you'll get a little . I think you have to like really picture ego aside when you're first starting , or just like at any point , and you have to treat people as equals .
If you're giving them something , if you're providing them value , if you're nice to them , they'll return the favor , and if they don't , then that you can't really do anything about it . But just like , try to be nice to people , see what's up with them , try to offer them something . If they're doing something interesting , ask them about it .
And yeah , so you just got to keep at it with people , build a relationship .
Yeah , I think you're spot on where it's like sometimes you'll give something and maybe there'll be a little guarded , and like that's okay , right , it's part of the process . Like that'll happen a few times and you almost have to be willing to .
You know , I think I was afraid sometimes to like give something and get nothing , but like that'll happen and that's fine , right . Like you just keep going and you'll meet the people who are like really high value ads , like when you met Drew .
Right , I'm sure there's other people that you've messaged or whatever that it might not have turned into anything , but just like betting , like you just really need to hit that 120X , right .
Yeah , I mean there's some people like who still have me on red and like that's okay , like you're doing your own thing , I'll do my own thing , and there's some people that have just responded and we just built a friendship so and now we share ideas with each other , like you and I .
You've provided me with a lot of mentorship and just teaching me about a lot , and I know that you enjoy the crew , so it's been a mutual thing .
No , that's like , like I said , with that better post , I'm like watching all you guys put in that crazy volume and I'm just like wake up on a sunday , I'm like you know , I don't know golf's kind of over . Do I really want to do NFL ? And it's like just do it , just like .
Like you said , like sit down for the two hours Shicey said it , well , he was like . He was like on saturday and sunday morning like there's nothing that's going to stop me from putting in like two hours of work . Then Like it's just so valuable for football or whatever . And you know , ultimately it is that volume game .
Like if you have a good edge but you bet it only , you know , only a couple days a week , like someone with a worse edge who bets it every day is going to make more money than you . And then who's the who's the best sports better ? Right , Like it's actually that's a good question Like when you think about , like , what makes a great sports better ?
Like is it how you know ? What do you rate ?
Well , would you ?
rate them on .
What I first thought when I started betting is whoever has the highest ROI , they're the best . But as you kind of get into it you realize it's more about the total profit that you can get down . Like , if you can find edges , you're great , if you can make models , you're great . But it's everything's about making money in the game .
So whoever can make the most money , whoever can get the most down , whoever can make the most ?
I agree with you , man . I agree with , and have fun . That is one coiler . It was like you're having fun and I said the same thing and then someone that I respected on Twitter I think it was like Sharp Clark was like but you know , also remember , like it's important to have fun . I was like , yeah , that's true .
So it's like make money , have fun doing it , you're winning , but , like , certainly , being a good modeler doesn't mean too much if , like , you're making no money doing it , you know . Or you're modeling something that you can only bet $100 on right .
Like if you're Steam chasing NBA for like 10k units and you're making $500 a year and you can't model and you can't even do math , you're still great sports better , you know , and there are people like that , which is wild , but it's true .
You might not have the best skills , but you're still getting the same results , or better . So who's really caring at that point ?
That is true , that is true and for as Okay , so here's the question what's the next year look like for you ? Like what are some 2024 goals ?
2024 . I think , as far as profit , I would want to hit $250,000 on the year . Just knowing all the things that I know now , I think it's definitely possible . The edges won't be there but there will be more . But yeah , I just want to keep going at it , getting better as a sports better .
Eventually , when I turn 21 , I want to like get on straight books and just kind of kill it there . I might take a road trip around the country , get some promos and stuff .
There we go .
But yeah , $250k would be the goal . I know it's not going to all come on picket . Unfortunately but at the end of the day it's just about how much you can bring in .
Yeah , and I think pickets great to show . Hey look , these are the accounts I'm linking up and like I'm making money , but ultimately , like someone all the people at the highest level of sports betting don't really have , Like Spanky doesn't have a picket for his 500 accounts , that he has or whatever it's not doable .
I like what pickets doing but yeah , unfortunately it's not scalable to professional betting . But we'll take your word for it when you post your $250k profit in March and you try and go and hit the mill on the year . But , yeah , man , are you thinking like your post kind of blew up ? You're getting some social following ?
Do you ever think about doing anything outside of purely betting for profit ? Like doing some type of whatever Not that I make any money off this but like podcast or Discord or whatever ?
Yeah , I'm kind of . The whole reason I got on Twitter in the first place was just kind of to build an account up , meet some new people and just see where it could take me . I think by building a following you can have so many different avenues to go down .
I haven't necessarily decided on doing anything right now but like for you doing the podcasting obviously you've blown up when I met you I think you had like 70 followers or something .
Yeah , you got in early , you bought a dip .
Yeah , I bought this dog . So , yeah , I think you can do so many great things when you have a following that you just wouldn't be able to if nobody knew who you are and you just were all quiet about it .
¶ Exploring Different Approaches to Sports Betting
I agree , and it's like it's the opposite of betting , because in betting you don't really want the books to look at you too hard , you want to fly under the radar and whatnot , but then it's to do stuff like this . For us to meet , both of us had to go on Twitter and put ourselves out there .
Yeah , exactly .
I'm happy I did . I got way more out of it , but for a while I was afraid to do social stuff . But it's important , it matters Meeting people . There's so many people who win , so many different ways of sports betting you .
What you know and what works for you is just like a fraction of all the alpha that's out there on the market , right Like being created .
Yeah , exactly like you can plus EV bet , you can model , you can steam chase , you can get into all different kinds of things and you can be profitable . Like even in these niche sports like eSports , there's people who just like no ball and . They're just good at it .
They crush .
Yeah so . I'm not gonna like say this is the way that I do , it is the only way , or the way that you do it is the only way you can make money . There's just . There's a ton of ways definitely .
Yeah , I know people who like who Price is like secondary to them , they'll consider it , but they are so Good like they know they know ball , but like in a way that Isn't that is true , like in a way that they're actually finding edges with lineup substitutions . It's soccer .
It seems to happen a lot with like understanding , the flow of like coaching and whatnot soccer and they'll just like you know , we have a guy on the server , alpaca , who his area has got to be like 65% plus on just like random soccer leagues , but he was a ex soccer goal and he just like watches every game and like understands everything that's going on and
like he has a massive edge .
Yeah , and you know me like doing , you know watching the market and doing some modeling , like it's so different from his process by the end of the day , like both work and I'm happy I met him because it's made me like Push more into that , knowing , trying to like go more into golf , understanding the sport even a little deeper , where I can hopefully find some
other edges . And , yeah , just getting out there Right , like it gets here , it opens up your brain .
Yeah , there's , there's a ton like for you , golf is your niche , that you bet on , but even then , like you're dabbling into NFL , yeah , all these different sports . Like you may not be an expert on soccer , but you can still make money at it .
Um that's right .
That's why I think that just meeting new people and networking is just so great , because you can find different methods of making money , different sports where You're you may not be as focused on , where you can still make money on the side as well as doing your main thing .
That's right , especially if you can figure out a way to like compress the time it takes for you to do it and then squeeze it in , schedule it in like why not , why not ? Well , are there ? Is there any ? Any last , any last ? Some shout outs anything for you to end the episode or Shout out the crew , of course to the people in the crew .
Those are my boys . And if I like one last thing for people to think about , it's just I would think of this as a video game . You've got to keep this separate from your personal life , just something you do on the side . It's a video game where you've got to collect some coins . Yeah , build up your , your amounts , you can buy some stuff .
What about your ?
character traits . Now I'm like wait now , this is a good analogy .
Yeah , I mean there's a lot of things I think . I mean , when I was a kid I played like all those sports games . I would play a and will be the show 2k , madden , yeah . So I played all those modes and I would be like building up my coins . I would be like building up my coins so I can buy these cards and stuff .
So I think that I can kind of make sure be that's why I'm doing decent at this .
Yeah , and would you say , like , when you build up your coins right here , like you can buy whatever , like an Odd screen or you can do you like ? Do you see them as ways to invest ?
Like get to that next level too , like if you want to learn more about modeling or whatever , like , do you do you see , like what you're saving up as a war chest , to say , or like , as you know , usable , to take it ?
Yeah , exactly like you've got to spend money to make money and that's true in both those games and in real life like for modeling , you've got to spend some money to get some data to build the model , and that's just not gonna happen out of the blue . You've got to get some work in yeah , yeah for sure .
So I think that's a great way to end it like think of it like a video game , get those coins . It'll make you less afraid to bet bigger amounts , if you're just thinking of it in terms of like Rupees and Zelda or whatever . And , yeah , like
¶ Bankroll Management and Betting Strategies
I love it . Well , halo , thank you for coming on . I know that . You know I've super impressed with you and I've learned a lot from you , and Dame is Obsessed with you , so blow his cover there a little bit .
But yeah , we were happy to have gotten to know you and , basically , like the world's your oyster in the spot , I can't wait to see what 20 24 is like . I think you'll , you could go over 250k personally , but you know , yeah , let's hope so .
Yeah , let's hope so get good to keep it achievable , and we'll have to have you on again in 2024 for the , the update on how that's going .
I'm so down and thank you for having me . Obviously , it's great to meet you and Dame as well .
Awesome . All right , well , we will end the episode with that .
Thank you , halo , and we will see you all on the next episode you can't be scared to Can serve your bankroll , especially if you find a great edge , you need to go all in . I Know there's people that this month they made like 20k in a day . So if you're seeing people do that and they're they have what like $500 units Like why are you not going all in ?
Why are you still playing $10 units ? Especially if you've proven to yourself that you're A profitable better you need to go all in and do everything you can get as much volume .