Mamba Mentality w/ Drew Morgan | Ep 26

This is a camp miss episode . Drew and I go into depth about how he started , how he got from where he started to where he is now , what are his goals for the future , and just tons of advice for people who are at any stage along that journey . So , listening , give us a like , give us a share and I'll see you on the other side .

Hey , what's up everybody . Gp13 here . Join today with a very special guest , a good friend , an absolute crusher in the DFS Pickham Streets . Got Drew Morgan with us . Drew , what's up ? How's it going ?

And one thing I really respect about Drew is that he's big on just giving away free good education , which is rare in the space , but it's like what I'm also trying to do , so props to you on that and yeah , let's get into it . I have a question for you , teed up . Teed up I want to talk about . So I'm sure there's now you've put .

You post good results 20k months or more , and I know that when people see that sometimes they'll be like , oh must be nice big bank roll , whatever it is . But I was going back through your tweets and I saw one of your tweets saying you started with 500 , you're betting $5 units , $10 units , and you let compounding do the work and stayed the course .

Can you talk about starting out small bank roll for anybody who's out there in that situation now ?

I was just using common sense . Why not sign up for these apps , get your deposit bonuses , play the promos and then , along the way , I was learning how to actually bet .

So the first thing I did at the end of January , after I went through my two month trial run of DGN betting and not seeing any results , I just looked up , like how to win betting , how to have an edge betting , and I forget exactly how I stumbled across the guy , but I came across Alex Monahan on YouTube and it seems as if a lot of people , especially who

have started even betting over the last year or so , their story starts with finding his videos . And the funny thing about it , when I tell people like how I got started or whatever I was honestly like even before I even knew it was , even before I knew what it was .

I remember I used to go to work and I knew that prize picks , like you know , you want to find the best odds , but I didn't know about fixed payouts . I didn't know about no big odds . I didn't know about this or that .

So before I was using an odd screen or DGF fantasy or odd jam I guess you could say it was an odd screen I would go on Rota wire and I would see if there was any NBA plays that were minus 135 .

Now that's not even like an edge in a two pick power of five flex and I would see if there was odds of minus 135 , because I knew if there was minus 140 , it wasn't going to be on prize picks and this is funny because this was before prize picks like actually gotten really sharp .

But like I would make a list and I would write it all down and then I'd go out to my phone and I would like search all the players manually and then I'd be like , oh shit , like I got two of them here and I'd run like a big power of minus 135 .

But like I was doing those types of things in line shopping or trying to find the best value before I knew it . But then so then I found Alex . I started watching all the videos and it was just like a light bulb that came on , like everything made sense right away and I started using the principles that he , that he showed in his videos .

I was playing across all the different platforms and I was just gaining more and more experience . And so , going back to what you originally said is so , yeah , I started with a $500 bankroll , but I was playing across all the different platforms .

I played the play , the signups , play , the promos , but I would also play daily and eventually you got to the point where you know , I kept , I kept compounding .

So in February , the one of my you know make or break moments was a Super Bowl where I wagered like almost my entire bankroll and it was to a point where if these didn't hit I'm going to have to read deposit or if they hit then I'm good .

And I had like a huge day on Super Bowl Sunday , like I almost doubled my bankroll that day and then that just made me more like hungry to you know , learn more and more and more . And it felt , I felt as if I knew what I was doing to a certain point in the middle of March .

And then that's when I I don't know if I met my friend shaky during that time , but he was one of the first people I met in the plus CV community and we were just going back and forth talking . But yeah , in the middle of March , like that's where my bankroll is , like in the middle of thousands , and then it got to 2000 .

And then in April like it just went up like so much where I was , I think I made like 2500 or 3000 in April . And then May was like 7000 . June was 12 , july was 16 . But my point is is that we all start from from nowhere . You're not going to come in and start with $10,000 .

Like sure , there's outliers and stuff like that , but you have to have the hunger and desire to continue learning every day , like I feel as if I have a very strong foundation of you know betting , doing this every day nonstop for nine months . But that doesn't mean that I'm complacent and feel as if I know everything .

You know , I've learned a lot of things from GP and we've only been friends for like a month or so . I learned a lot of things from my team of dudes that I work with , where they're teaching me so many different things and I've taught them so many different things , and that honestly goes into the importance of having a network of people .

You can't do everything by yourself . There are some people that can but it makes your life a million times easier . So I would highly suggest working with other sharp , betters , learning from them , you know , taking bits and pieces of knowledge from them and making sure that you also provide value at the same time .

That's going to , you know , make things significantly easier for you when you're going , when you're going to get about things in your journey . And the other thing I would say is , when you're starting small , the big thing that you want to do is you don't want to get complacent or scared to up your unit size .

So like I've seen a lot of people where they have success and then they sort of plateau because they get scared as a number on the screen where it's like , oh , I can't , I can't go up to $20 units , like that's just like too much . I don't know if it's like a real psychological thing for some people .

I never was very petrified of doing so , but there have been specific times in my you know career of doing this so far where I remember when I had a monster jump in May and I was up to $100 units and I remember seeing people like Alex on Twitter like just regularly posting $100 plays and it's like man , I can't wait to get to that unit sizing , like that'd

be so cool . Like you know , I feel like when people are doing that , they sort of have more credibility . But there's so many people out there that you know have larger bank rolls and aren't successful betters . But I also looked at it like , well , they probably got there from starting small and there's a reason why their unit size is so big .

But I remember I think there was like a three week period where I made a jump from like 40 to 100 .

And you know , people like to say that there isn't much of a psychological aspect when it comes to betting , but something like that it really is , at least for me , because With betting I feel like the winning and the losing it can take a massive effect on you or a lot of people , especially the losses .

And if you're to be losing like $100 units compared to maybe like $5 , $10 , it's a lot easier to stomach those smaller losses than the bigger ones , especially if you were just placing $5 , $10 wagers , you know , a month or so ago .

But yeah , man , I mean I didn't get here , you know , like from just you know , starting with a ton , like that's something that I take great pride in is starting at 500 and working my way up over 85,000 profit for the year , including profits not on picket , and like I'm a firm believer of anybody can do it .

Like I'm not this genius or savant , whatever , I'm just a dude that has a lot of passion , is obsessed with this stuff . It eats , sleeps and breathes it like 24 seven . It's really all I think about . There's no like work , life balance , like with me it's literally go , go , go . You know nonstop , every day .

And the reason why I'm like that is because I know things like this aren't gonna last forever . So when the value's there , you gotta go all out . I wonder

what's that . But I know I went on to tangent with your first question .

You know , of course I had friends in poker , I had friends in sports betting who taught me something , but we would never like post something on Twitter , you know . But then at the end of the day , like , of course , don't post your massive edges on Twitter , but like , posting some value on Twitter is good , it helps , you know you meet people .

It helps people , you know , give you value back and you know it's an immediate way to like build a community , right , like , what would you how ? Of course you have , you've built a really solid community , but what would you say to somebody who's just getting into this this week and who might not have a community ?

Like , how would you go about it if they wanted to connect with other sharp bettors ?

and engage with a lot of their content and their tweets or whatever , because you know that's where you're gonna , you know , start to see like people are gonna , you know , see who you are and if you're asking questions and you're also providing value at the same time , a lot of other people are gonna want to network and work with you .

A lot of people in this day and age want to , you know , just receive things without giving things where it should be a two-way street , not a one-way street . So if you're coming across , you know people in this space , you know , give some things that you're noticing . So it would be harder for someone just starting out .

If you're just starting out , just try to learn as much as you possibly can , be a sponge and absorb as much possible knowledge that you can from all these different platforms , all these different accounts and just soak everything in and just ask questions and then use that knowledge that you acquired from these sharp betters and apply it yourself in your own bets

and then just see what works , see what doesn't work , what works , go back to the guys that you're getting that information from , ask some questions , saying , hey , I used this , it was really really sharp , it worked , or it didn't work , and just go back and forth with them .

You know I love helping people , but my big thing is I love helping people who show initiative to learn first instead of asking for a handout , because when someone like does that , then I feel so much more of a need and want to actually help that person because I can see that they're trying to put in the effort themselves instead of like someone messaging myself

or responding to me like hey man , where are the plays for today ? It's like dude , you gotta learn how to do this yourself , because if someone's just not posting stuff on Twitter for you , you're not gonna be able to know how to do things yourself .

And I think it's very important to know how to do things yourself and being self-reliant than just relying on other individuals , because I can still do what I do without a team , I would still be successful , but at the same time , I am much more successful with a team .

So it's important to be able to do everything and know how to do things yourself , but at the same time , there needs to be a happy medium of working with other people . So don't just tell people know how to do things yourself , but at the same time , work with a team , and it can make things easier for you .

So if you're gonna approach someone like Drew , just do it thoughtfully .

Like there's so many people on Twitter that just want plays and that's just like if that's you , I don't know if it's the right fit for DMing someone like Drew , but if you're interested in why Drew is doing something , or have a question about something such as moving your bet size up Like , let's say , you hear this podcast and you hear about how Drew went

from $40 units to $100 units and you're in that spot , if I'm sure , if someone messaged you or replied in your comments like hey , I heard you on the podcast , you said that in two weeks you went from $40 to $100 units I'm struggling psychologically with making a similar jump Like how did you do it ? You would definitely respond to that person , right ?

It's I don't know , I like helping people but at the same time I don't wanna ruin my own edges and ruin other people's edges by doing so . But yeah , I mean wait , can you ask a question again ?

They're showing that they're invested , that they're gonna put the time in and now it's not a waste of your time , right ? So you can only help so many people , so you might as well help someone who respects your time . So it's a two way street , right ? That's the easiest way to not get helped . I think it's just like ask a really lazy question .

You know what they did and I've shared what I did to my team and other people on DMs and , like I told you , I've like talked to people on the phone in terms of like what I did , at least for me , I consider like mindset and your mental like .

You have to be able to control your emotions as best as you can in this space , because there's gonna be a lot of volatility , there's gonna be a lot of variance , especially if you're betting on golf , there's me a lot of variance but you have to be able to , you know , win the psychological war when it comes to this type of stuff .

And you know , going back to what I was saying earlier , where there's just so many people that just couldn't make that jump , and for people like in the crew and in the team , I've pushed people so many times to up the unit sizing and you know some people will get scared to do it , but you just have to look at it in terms of you're following the same

process . You're doing the same thing . The only thing that's different is the numbers on the screen , and as long as you're following proper bankroll management , you're gonna be fine . In the end , you're doing the same exact thing you'd be doing if you're placing that $20 unit compared to the $20 unit .

Nothing changes besides the numbers on the screen , and I think that a lot of people it's just so hard for them to take that leap . But you have to do it . You have to be uncomfortable with things . You have to do certain things If you wanna continue to level up and not plateau . You have to do stuff like that to go to the next level Definitely .

And you know I will always you know , like help people that like reach out to me and ask like real personal questions like that , because you know I'll answer the easy ones like from time to time .

But if I see someone that you know is invested in this , is in it for the long term , is actually trying to make something out of this instead of just a quick buck , then yeah , man , like I'd love to help you .

Because I think I had a tweet about this like , where I kind of like ranked what I thought were the most important sports bank skills . I'm gonna give you a few . I think that's the most important work ethic , what I would call a sturdy mindset , like a calm , good mental . You're not too high , you're not too low .

Mathematical ability , coding ability , networking Five . Can you give us a ranking In terms of success for ?

I made a tweet ago last week I was up till four in the morning with one of my friends shout out Rdubs if you're listening to this , rdubs , yeah , if you're listening to this . And we were hitting NFL plays until four in the morning .

And for the last month or so I've been staying up Friday nights and Saturday nights to like four in the morning , getting into all the volume for college and NFL every single weekend doing it and it sucks like placing that much volume , but that's what's worked for me , and I remember going to bed that night and reflecting where I'm at , where I'm going , and like

sitting there and like telling myself if this thing goes away or everything dies or whatever . I couldn't give a single ounce more effort into this balancing a job , balancing a wife , balancing personal responsibilities .

I could not give any more effort into what I do and I think that that's what has made me as successful as I am , of having to work ethic to do what I do and just learning how to do certain things . But work ethic for sure . Number one , most important aspect hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard .

But if you're talented and you work hard , you're going to be unstoppable . I think I told you , gp if before I tell a lot of people this is that if you haven't a dude who has somewhat above average intelligence , combine that with work ethic and passion and a drive , that dude's going to be unstoppable in whatever realm or arena they want to conquer .

They're going to end up conquering that space . But yeah , work ethic number one . And then I'd say number two is network . Reason being is that when I started my server the crew at the end of May it's sort of funny how this all came into fruition , because so for a couple of weeks I was talking to my boy .

I drop props , shout out to him if you're listening to the pod . I know he's been . He said he's been listening to the pod recently . I'm glad he's doing that and more people should be listening to this , because this thing is going to blow up . I already see the vision , gp . This podcast is going to blow up much bigger than people realize .

But I remember talking to him for like in May . I was like dude , we need to create some type of like discord or team of sharps or like nonstop hitting plays . He's one of the first people I met in the space and I was like this dude has crazy work ethic . He's always hammering plays . He's what I'm doing Like .

I spotted that really fast and we would always share information back and forth plays , dm and each other , whatever . I was like dude . We need to do this , not just me and you Imagine if we had like a team of like 20 dudes , 30 dudes , 40 dudes . So at the end of May I told a lot of people this story .

When it comes to variants and bad stretches , I was at an all time high bankroll of $13,000 , which was mind blowing for me at the time and then within one week I went from 13,000 to like 9,000 , which was , I think , like yeah like a 38% drop . I calculated within one week and that was like the first time in my career where I was very spooked .

I sat there and questioned myself can I do this ? And if there's anybody out there who says that , they don't question themselves at all , like you know , I'm confident in my own abilities and stuff like that , but like doubt creeps in from time to time , even the best athletes in the world .

I was watching the UFC interview yesterday with Kamaru Ushman , one of the greatest UFC fighters of all time , and that dude you know , he's one of the greatest welter weights . Welter weights are greatest welter weight of all time and he was saying in his interview after he lost two in a row , you know doubts started creeping in . Can I do this ?

Should I retire this or that ? So as a sports better , you should be able to relate in that aspect of you know losing streets , losing streaks , can get to you . Now you have to put that to the side and know that . You know in the end the math trumps . You know the variants , stuff like that , if you're actually betting smart .

But the point that I'm getting at is that after that losing streak , the crew was formed and then we started hammering plays together and I've learned so much from those guys , like I've , you know , gave out a lot of what I knew to people in there , but I've learned so much from them and I can't be seeing everything on every platform at all once .

So us working together , my ROI , I'd say , is probably double what it should be . Wow , compared to . I kind of give you an actual number .

all weather the storm together , you're not just in together . So , like I'll give you an example you know one of our dudes who just joined recently , juan . He's going through a really bad , you know streak of variants and he's like I was looking for a group of people to work with and network with and , you know , get in .

And we saw that on Twitter and we brought him in and I had no idea he was dealing with variants . And then we all , like told him our stories and , like you know , bad times . We went through , like you know , like trying to help them and like get them through this . Like dude , you know this is just a setback .

You know the comeback's bigger , it's loading and you're going to get through this . So it makes everything so much easier to deal with variants and hearing it directly from other people that dealt with it . But on the flip side when things are popping off and going crazy .

So I know I told you offline about the British open and every golf better destroying that weekend Underdogs almost like one of my favorite times betting where we destroyed underdog so badly . And then the next week the guard went off , stroke score , elation .

And I'm not saying like that's our group who is responsible for that , like no , like that would be ridiculous to even assume that , like you know , we hit them hard Like every golf better was hitting score elation on underdog . So like you know you're not going to sit there and like , oh yeah , we're the reasons why that happened .

But like all of us celebrating together and , you know , winning together , like it just makes everything sweeter , like that's why when I was like a kid growing up , I always played team sports , always like basketball . Like just like how I said to you like I eat , sleep and breathe betting From a very early age I eat , slept and breathe basketball .

Like year round , like a you travel , ball , rec , league , summer camps , everything that's all I did year round like as a kid , and you know that's what I did . And it made everything like so much more sweeter .

Like when we would win , like against a team we had no business beating , and like someone hit a clutch shot , we won , or whatever , or if we lost as a team . Like you know it just it makes things better . And when you're dealing with bad shit , it makes things you know easy to handle when you're going

through that . So I definitely say the network is number two . Would you mind saying the other three ?

I think we need to have either math or coding ability to catch any strays on the show I'm already listeners who you know either like to model or code or whatever it is . So we can leave it , I think . I think I think it's clear that those two because also network can give you access to the other three . Like exactly if you have .

If you're going through a losing period and your mindsets cracked a little or shaken a little , having a network immediately improves that mindset if you're sharing with them . Right , same with like . The thing is like I'm not an amazing coder . My partner , dame , he's a good coder . We work together , it's no problem .

Like I don't need to be an amazing coder because you know I do other things that you know Dame might not have the same ability in one area I have in the other . And then extrapolate that times 300 for the crew and how many people are in it , yeah , yeah . So I think that's if you work hard and you network , I think at anything , you're just consistency .

I think hard work is important but it has to be consistent . And I think one thing you said earlier in the show was you do this every day and I think like if you show up every day , you put in good effort , you're basically like it would be impossible for you to not be successful .

But I think one thing in gambling that is tough is the consistency , because of the results swing Right . So how do you show up every day during these periods of you know wild fluctuations and bankroll and results ?

I always like look at it like a challenge and it's like , dude , I'm going to like come back from this or like you know , like I'm going to like win again , like I don't know . It's very weird . My favorite thing when it comes to betting is not having massive days or green streaks or whatever .

It's breaking bad variants by having a monster day and then going back on track , or when you're in the midst of having like a very , very bad day , and not like impulse betting or rage betting or , you know , chasing your losses , but having like where you flip the script on a day and you break even or like slightly or positive on a day .

I love that stuff because I just view this stuff as a challenge and like I embrace those challenges . You know being on winning streaks is cool or whatever , but you know , and it's not like I love losing , like that's ridiculous . Like no one loves like loves losing . I hate losing more than I love the glory of winning In .

Any really competitive person will tell you the same thing where they absolutely hate losing . But something that GP said on the pod and in his tweets is that if you want to be successful better , you better be comfortable with losing . We're going to lose a lot . We're going to lose a lot .

We are going to make up more than those losses with the wins and RRI is going to trump those losses in the long term . But to sum up your question I don't know , man . I I love just coming back . I don't know what it is like with sports or whatever , like I , just I Don't know .

I like coming back and I don't know I make it like these own , like games up my mind or whatever . Yeah , I'm gonna come back from this . I don't know whatever it is .

I tell people , whatever motivation you need to like , keep you going , whether it's like Stupid crap you have to make up or whatever you know , like Michael Jordan , he used to make up like Fake narratives and his mind to keep himself motivated , like whatever you have to do , whether it's you want to be successful for yourself , whether you want to be successful to

prove all the people right that believes in you , whether it's gonna be successful to prove people wrong who are talking shit on you and doubting you , or you just want to do it to make money , like whatever it is , find that motivation and let it drive you . I have a lot of different motivations For as to why I want to be successful doing what I do .

That I use from time to time like there's a lot of different things I pull from to keep me locked in and motivated every day . But I look at every losing day , bad day , as an opportunity to come back from that and and get back to all time highs and get back on track again . But I'm not saying it's easy . It's definitely not easy .

It's Significantly easier to just keep the momentum going with the green streaks , yeah , um , where it's like oh dude , like I'm on a hot streak or I'm on a heater , I'm just gonna keep going . But you have to realize is that there's variants you're gonna get your ass kicked , like , for example , I was down three thousand dollars at one point last night .

Now I woke up to the golf 20x cashing and then a League of Legends Play cashing , so that dropped me down to only losing a thousand yesterday .

Um , but I went to bed last night Thinking , okay , I'm gonna be down three grand Epic comeback loading for tomorrow with NFL yeah and I don't know , I don't know if that's like , that's the mindset I have , so like you know . That's why also , view mindset is incredibly important thing it's and you have to have .

That has to be an asset , not a liability For you at sports betting , because if you're soft and you can't handle losing and it consumes you and eats you alive , you're never gonna be successful in this space .

And if losing is just like devastating to you Emotionally , it it's just not a fit . And that doesn't mean it's right or wrong , it's just like not a fit is what I would say . And it gets slightly easier . And there are things that you can do to make like .

I love what you said about finding motivation Because , like so many people I look up to talk about , like it doesn't matter , just find it , because everyone has different motivations , like you and me have different motivations . But what do we do ? We each show up and we each bet each day and we try to get better .

It doesn't matter what mine is and what yours is . What matters is that we're doing it right . So find what works . I think what Drew's saying there , it's so , so on the nose , so important .

Like I'm really happy that you you said that , because I think that's gonna help a lot of people who think they have to have the same motivation as Michael Jordan or they have to have this like Zen , like Phil Galifand you know I'm the happiest guy , just win money , you know , motivation or whatever . But it's , it's just , it's personal and what .

What works for you , that's okay if it's , if you're , if you're , if you got this anger , but it you can channel it productively . Like for now , that's fine . Maybe you don't want to do that forever , but like for now , if that's what keeps you consistent , like that's okay and then go from there just be consistent .

I love that you said that I probably had another , another question , but I'm now I'm like I'm just I'm buzzing off that , that comment . I think it's so good

something .

I will give this one piece of advice is that I went through several droughts , several bad streaks of variants and I will tell you this With each one that you deal with , you're going to become more and more confident that you're going to get out of that Stroud , out of that drought .

Because you've done it so many times , you know it's inevitable that it's going to end .

It's not a matter of if , but when , when that bad streak ends and it just makes things so much easier to manage Mentally knowing that , and you're only going to gain that through experience , like you can hear that from Listening to me or GP talk about stuff like this , but you have to go out and experience it yourself first , because you know it is numbers on

a screen and stuff like that . But there is a Mindset that comes to doing this type of stuff . You know not everybody's fit to to deal with things like this and not everybody can do this . But In the end .

As you deal with each stretch of variants , you're gonna feel more and more confident that you're gonna come out on the other side and victorious at the end .

Like you know , and it's funny like I might over exaggerate like if you guys follow me on Twitter , I One thing that I pride myself on is that I don't like tout only wins , but , like I , it's like a snapshot in real time of like what I'm thinking , how things are going , and like people might look at it like , oh , this dude's complaining this or that , and

it's like no , dude , I'm just telling you like how I'm feeling . Like I remember it was in September August I think I might have been August where , like I was only at like a 10% ROI for the month and I was just like feeling very defeated and Like things weren't going well and it's like , do you're an idiot ?

Like 10% or eyes is insanely good , and we in the space have become numb to how good of an ROI that is . Yeah , because we're an easy mode right now , where these apps are so easy to take advantage of , that a 10% ROI for a lot of people isn't really that good , which is ridiculous to think about .

But I remember just like talking about on Twitter and then someone responded like dude , why are you complaining about 10% , or I .

This is that , like you know , like you're doing great , and it's like I'm just telling you what I'm thinking and like what I'm dealing with , like right now , and just Analyzing , like my own processes and results in real time on Twitter . And that's one thing that I love to do .

I just love to be transparent about my results , transparent about what I'm thinking at the time , because I'm a human , I'm not a robot , right ? I let things get to me and I enjoy victories and stuff like that . I Go through winning streaks , I go through losing streaks .

You know there's a lot of people out there on social media and in the betting community that only flex their wins . One thing that I have a lot of respect for and people in this space , is when they show the losses , they show the bad streaks , they show the variance , because all of us go through it .

It's just a matter of fact of are you going to be transparent about it or not , and I'm not saying you have to do like a daily recap of you know your results or stuff like that . But just don't be that dude who only Flexes their wins and then runs away and hides when they're losing .

You know you got to embrace that storm and and show people like , hey , like you know , I deal with this too , like , but I'm gonna get through it , just like how all you guys are .

But I saw Drew's Post I was like immediately I knew okay , this guy actually knows what he's talking about . Definitely gonna give him a follow because he just did honest daily recaps , unfiltered it's .

It's refreshing because it can be lonely , especially if you don't have a community during a losing streak , if all you see is the green tickets from these like Accounts that are just trying to sell their , their discord or whatever it is . So you think everyone's winning all the time .

It's certainly not the case and it's good to to show the actual reality of advantage gambling , which is a lot of losing , but that's okay . Yeah , that's like you . You will lose , but comma , that's okay . Yeah , I love that . I love that you , you show that . Now I remember the question I want to ask you .

So I do this full-time , you do this and put in more volume than me , part-time With a wife and a full . You have a full-time job , a wife , and you still put in more volume than me .

So For people out there who are looking at this as a supplemental income stream , which is a lot of people most of the people who listen to this and they don't think that they can put in the volume , of course , staying up till 4 am Not something everyone's gonna be able to do , but how would you get them like 80% there to make this a very productive side

hustle ? Like what do you tell the people who are doing this as a side hustle ?

your volume in . So I'd say , with NBA season on the horizon , I'd say that it's most important for you to get your volume in hours before tip off with game whether games , whether it's injury news coming out , lineups and now stuff like that . Get your volume in then . And then just knowing what sports you're all betting on .

So , like , for example , with golf , you know I have a good idea of when underdog drops golf lines . So I know , okay , I have to schedule time To be available to hit golf plays at this time . So it'll be available then . And just , you know , if something really matters to you , you're gonna make time for it .

I'm never of a believer of oh , I don't have the time to do this or the time to do that , like , I don't subscribe to that narrative at all If something is truly important to you and you really wanna do it , you will make the time . Everybody has the same 24 hours in a day . But if something matters to you , you're gonna figure it out , no matter what .

But just look at your schedule on a daily basis , know when drop on a . You know , like typically , like for whatever sports you're betting on , and just try to open up time slots in your day to have that time to . You know , really hammer things . But with me it's different because it's just an all day , like the all day thing .

Like you know , I get busy at work sometimes or like I come home and spend time with my wife and stuff like that too . But you know I have been sacrificing a lot in terms of , like , social life and things like that , and it comes to a point where you have to make that personal decision in terms of you know what's more important to you .

Do you wanna , you know , make more money and sacrifice a social aspect ? Or you know , do you wanna , you know , sacrifice more time and go out with friends and you know , sacrifice more time getting in volume for sports betting .

But the big thing I just say is just knowing when things drop is important , like for basketball , for hockey , for golf , for e-sports , whatever it is . Just study when prize picks , underdog parlay , play whatever platform you're betting on typically drops lines and get your volume in through there .

I know a lot of people who are successful only an hour , hour and a half , two hours a day . That works for you . That's great . I haven't tried it myself . The only method I know is just like all day , every day , like I don't .

As , like dude , I can't do the podcast . I'm so sleep deprived and exhausted because I would stay up till two in the morning watching golf , because I love watching , and then I wake back up at 4.35 in the morning because I'm not gonna get so much sleep Because I was like , dude , I can't miss the value on drop , I don't want to eat other people's bumps .

So , like I was sacrificing sleep , I was sacrificing things to do that , and I'm not condoning and suggesting doing that , I'm crazy . Yeah , I do things like that .

But I also look at it too , like and going back to your question with motivation and stuff like it's weird , dude , like I get a motivation of who the fuck is doing what I'm doing , who's watching golf till two in the morning and then waking back up at 4.30 to hit plays , and that like gives me this like extra drive to like do more where it's like .

It's like , yeah , I'm not really competing with other people , but like in my head I sort of am because , like I want to be the best , like I don't know if it's an ego thing or whatever Like a lot of people have it they don't want to admit it , but like I want to be the best , like I want to outwork other people and be successful .

So like that's just another thing that drew me to do what I did the last couple of days , because the golf tournament was in Japan , so it wasn't a terrible time frame . So like that's what I've been doing the last couple of days and it worked out in my favor , where I was getting a lot of volume in before bumps came in , and it pays off dividends .

And I was the king of that 10 minute window , no matter where I could be at dinner . And if I knew this , like inkling that draft Kings was about to drop something and it wasn't going to be on data golf , I was like refresh my phone , refresh my phone lines dropped . And I already knew , ok , I'm going to bet this at that and this at this or whatever .

And I knew I need to get it in before data golf , just in case , like they posted the same play and it would get steamed and the number would get worse . That 10 minute window was like everything , yeah , everything , and I was like psychotic about being in that , like if I missed that 10 minute window , I was so mad at myself Like I couldn't get myself .

Dude , I'm like a similar similar story .

Yeah , I knew it was going to be dropping , but I was at this party so I was like all right , I'll try to get it in , but I probably won't be able to . And as we're leaving the party , I wasn't checking my phone and I get text messages from several people in the team like yo , euro golf , your golf , just dropped like five minutes ago .

And I checked the data , I checked the lines on prize and underdog and everything was bumped and I remember just like driving home , so pissed off . So steamed . So , pissed off that like I like like everything was bumped up like a half a stroke or even a full stroke and it's like .

It's like there's like a pride thing where it's like , for sure , I'm not placing these bets , I'm not eating other people's bumps . Yeah , it's like I'll just sit on the sidelines and I'll play the ones that weren't bumped , that are still like decent value

. Yeah , I hate missing out on insane value , like I'm like a crackhead .

I love a good edge . I would rather win money on a nice edge than just someone get paid money for doing something . If I find a good edge , that and make money from that , that's money's like twice as valuable as other money . I don't know why .

Yeah , I take it like very personal where it's like when I find an insane edge , or someone in my team finds insane edge and they tell me about it or I find it , whatever , I'm going to maximize my edge in 100% as much as I can , because I know that these platforms , you know , take thousands of people and don't feel bad about it all .

But then , when it comes to a sharp , better taking advantage of exploits or glitches or whatever . They limit your , ban you . So that's just one of the like , one of the other motivations that I have where it's like you know epic motivation . Yeah , like I want to .

I want to destroy them , because they take advantage of people who are idiots and just casually D-Gen bet and stuff like that .

You know , like the hero of the movie isn't the sports books who , like , have this VIP program and keep ratcheting up like the losing players and taking more and more money . That's not . There's no movie about that . The movie is about the Blackjack team at MIT .

The movie is about , you know , rounders and Matt Damon trying to go and see , you know , teddy KGB in the house . It's nice to be on this side and use that as motivation because you know what , like you're here , you're trying to use your brand , you're trying to win , you play by the rules and they don't like that . So fuck them .

You know , like , and I have , you know , friends who work on that side of the counter and I think there are there's a need to have sports books as market makers and whatnot . Like they make a market .

I certainly don't want to do their job , I don't want to be , I don't want to have to , like , make a market for every , for every bet , but I just think there's some middle ground that needs to be found , that hasn't reached yet , but until it does , like you know , max those edges .

It's a war , right , like you can shake hands at the end of the day , but like it's still , you're still playing , you're still battling , right , like you got to go . You got to go for it while you're on the court and then , if you like you know you have eye friends on other side of the counter . I'm certainly like you know I . We're still friends .

I've always had friends in poker who I've played against , like I'm not going to not try and take their money at the table , but we're still going to have . You know , we're still going to get dinner after or whatever . You know it's part of it .

You know it's , it's , it's rare for a niche . A niche , you know , whatever games for whatever you want to call it , to get that treatment . So shout out to Matt Damon Ed Norton , that's the g we get . We get a worm , matt . If we get Ed Norton on the podcast as worm , that's when I know he has to . He has to literally act as worm on the podcast .

Such a bastard , yeah . He's such a bastard . He's such a bastard , oh so funny . Um , I'm trying to think if I had any , any parting , parting thoughts for you . I guess you know what's one thing that you , what's one thing the audience can do today ?

I don't , I think this will be coming out on Wednesday , but just like on any day , one day they hear this one thing that's just immediately going to increase their ROI , that you want to leave them with .

Question things that you already know and see if that's true or not . I'm still constantly questioning things I do on a daily basis . Does this work ? Does this not work ? And it's led to my results being better , because your edges are not going to be permanent . Things are going to change and you have to adapt . You have to be constantly adapting .

The scene is always going to be changing . So the first thing I would say is never get complacent , never be satisfied with how much you know , and always go out and ask questions .

Never get an ego and think , oh , I make a lot more than this guy , I can't learn from him , dude , there's so many people that I've made a lot more than them , but they know a lot more than me on certain things and I ask them about certain things . And it goes the other way around too , where people who are a lot bigger than me .

I will ask them a lot of questions about what they're doing with this , what they're doing with that ? Just ask a lot of questions , be curious . Never let that curiosity die within you . I always want to be learning and seeking out stuff like that . I love it .

That's a part of this game of just learning new things , applying new principles and then just constantly every day trying to learn something different and apply it . So the first thing I would say is never get complacent . Always ask questions , keep learning more and more every day .

And then number two we've been talking about it and reiterating it over and over on this podcast episode but meet people and network . So that goes hand in hand with the first one of asking questions . It's so important to know people having resources to pull from . We live in a world where it's not what you know but who you know .

I consider it a great honor to be on this podcast and being friends with GP . I consider a good friend already and a mentor that has taught me a lot of stuff like that , and the network that he has access to that I could potentially talk to other people is amazing .

And it goes both ways where GP has resources and stuff where he can give to me , but it's like , hey , I'm going to also provide to you at the same time and just network with people .

Man , you're going to learn so much from other people , and people are going to make your life easier by just talking to them and figuring out what they know , what they don't know . Tell them what you know and you're going to expedite your learning curve significantly faster when you work with other people than just working by yourself .

Don't have the ego of , oh , I can just do this by myself , this or that , yeah , you could be successful if you're smart and work really hard and just constantly learn . But you're going to be way more successful working with a team . Billy Walters , the greatest sports gambler of all time , is not successful because he did everything himself .

This dude had a full blown operation and it's the main reason , or one of the main reasons , as to why he is or was as successful as he was because he had that amazing team and infrastructure set up for him to be successful as he was .

So I'm not saying you have to go out and make a team or make a discord or this and that , but have a group of people that you can pull from and learn from , and ask them questions and you can give them information , because it's going to make everything so much easier for you .

So just go out and do those two things and you'll most likely be where you want to be at the end of the day . But never stop , never get complacent and just continue progressing each day , more and more . Try to get 1% better every day .

Yeah , but I look at Drew as someone I learned a lot from and got a lot from , and I hope I give back the same value to him . And it's not really about where you are , how long you've been doing this .

It's really just about making that connection , delivering value both ways , and it's always like it's such an example of the hole is greater than some of the parts with sharing information , sports betting , it's just like a fact . So go network , go DM . Drew , do you have any locks ? Drew wants to hear locks for the day , picks for the day .

No , but seriously , thank you . Thank you , drew , for coming on . I had you penned in , since I knew that I was going to start doing guests to come on here . So I'm really thankful for you to come on and we'll get you back on many more times . But , yeah , I appreciate your time .

Man , I already see it like you have a gift for this type of stuff and you know it's going to be cool to look back on all of this and it's like damn dude , like you know , I was one of the first people on there you and Ed Miller too .

Yeah , but it was a blast man . I had a pleasure chat with you and you know , can't wait to keep working together .

So we got , we're going to keep pushing with that and , yeah , we'll see . We'll see everybody on the next episode .