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Cold open question of the week, Kaz. What's up, shoes? I got a very sensitive question for you. How sensitive is it? Well, we'll let the listeners be the judge. I was re-watching Jade Cargill's match from SmackDown. This feels like it's going to be race-based, Dave. Well, it's culture-based. Culture-based. Okay, gotcha. All right, let's go. It's a big fan of her hair in that match. It's a sort of like high... It was very, you know... very Storm-esque, right? There was a period where Storm had
the Mohawk, had the Fauxhawk, had kind of what Jade was doing, the sort of like long... After she kicked it with the Wakandas for a couple of times. Pre-Wakanda, but yes, there's this sort of elegant mullet phase, and that's sort of what Jade was rocking on Friday. But this is not her real hair, correct? This is the question, I guess. This is a hair piece of some sort. Dave, Dave, Dave, yes, yes. Let me save you. Let me save you before you walk into any landmines. Yes, that is a wig.
Usually. I feel like wig was offensive to say. Wig is like saying the wrong word for a little person. i'm like nah bro i got you don't worry it's okay yes that is a wig uh you know and usually i'm assuming you're gonna ask like how the hair changes from long and That part is kind of self-evident. My question is, how does it stay on?
All right, so boom, okay? Most of the time, women will have the hair that they do have and braid it into either like a bun or some cornrows or something that's like a real protective hairstyle that, you know, just... keeps it nice and tight. And once you let it out, it's long and luscious and luxurious. And it keeps the hair healthy. So you need to keep your hair knotted and braided and stuff like that. So putting the wig on it.
sort of like helps keep the hair healthy. So they'll take that wig over the braids and just like, you know. braided into there sometimes. Because we've all seen, I'm asking this as a bald white man, because we've all seen like the clips of like the boxer wearing the toupee. that's been memed all over the place where he gets jacked in the jaw and his toupee flies up halfway and it goes back down. This is the 70s or early 80s or something like that. I think...
Legend has it that Sam Martino was wearing a piece for some part of his career. But I guess my thing is... Dave, let me also tell you this. It would shock you how many women in the WWE. I'd venture to say 85% of women's wrestlers are wearing hair pieces, maybe wigs. So here's my deeper real question.
Are there any men that are wearing hair pieces? Are there any male wrestlers wearing wigs out there? Let me tell you something. CM Punk has a great man of hair. There are times where he goes from bald to... full locks and lusciousness. With men, we got medical intervention that can come in, too. If you want to just keep that hairline strong. If you're talking hair pieces, does hair transplants count? No.
I'm saying if I wanted to be a wrestler tomorrow, but my dream has always been to be peak HBK. Can I go get a wig? even better, like Bret Hart. If I wanted to go get a Bret Hart wig, could I find one that would stay on my head for a 30-minute classic? Yeah, I think you're underestimating the strength of Wiglue in 2025. Wiglue will definitely... If I never met you and I first walked into an establishment and saw you with full Bret Hart hair...
I'd be like, this man has a great head of hair. If it had the right wig glue on it. If it was right on the natural hairline. Yeah, you can either lace front the joint, you know, like grow a little bit of peach fuzz so you can just like lace front it and just like keep it like the part so it looks in.
Or you just get some, if you're, you know what I mean, bald, you get some amazing wood glue and then bang, bang, boom. Now, here's my last question before they start the show. If I did have the long hair, right, and I was wrestling for the first time with it. And if my opponent was Mark Henry, could he actually split my wig?
In more ways than the one, yes. Okay, but literally? In a literal and figurative sense. Well, we could get split. Okay, that's all I really need to know. I feel smarter than I was five minutes ago. Thanks, man. Break his neck. Let's start the show. You masked me Welcome to the Masked Man Show with Cass, an educational podcast. How you doing, man? We're always educational on this podcast. I'm doing all right, man. I'm enjoying this WWE.
overseas tour because it's given us a nice string of afternoon wrestling. So I don't have to stay up late to watch a lot of these shows. AEW is doing some really fun stuff. And I want to shout out before we start the show, Chris Bay. Last night's benefit for him was beautiful. I wish I was there. The turnout looked incredible.
watching him walk into the ring and take steps into a ring. And I don't want to say cut a promo, but talk from the heart to all the people who supported him and all the fans that showed up and people who donated. It was one of the most beautiful things I've seen in quite some time. And I'm giving all my love and prayers to him and his continued recovery. And just shout out to all the like...
talent from every single company that came together to support this guy. Got some WWE, got some AEW, got some TNA everywhere. Chris Bay is a wonderful human. And his...
His bounce back, crazy enough, is not surprising, just considering how... genuine of a good guy that that dude has been as long as i've uh got to be around them so uh shout out chris shout out to uh everybody that went to the benefit show and um yeah i wanted to make sure we started the show with that and not ended with it because
But, you know, Chris is... The greatest story never told is some real shit, man. And if that dude ends up in a... I mean, he's already beat the odds. He's already, you know, life-wise. But, man, if that dude... really does the impossible and gets back into a ring one day it probably will be the greatest story ever told so shout out Chris Bay man for sure even if he doesn't man but that's just crazy it's already it's already a great story
Just watching them. You hear that thing he said in the interview where he was talking about CM Punk talking to him. Did you see that quote where he was just like... They gave him the prognosis. He might never walk again and like whatever else. And punk said something effective. I think that prognosis is for regular humans and you're not one. And that sort of like gave him a big push. And it seems, you know, like to read it, to repeat it sounds a little bit corny, but like.
Dude, it's that kind of support that matters, you know? And it's true. I mean, these guys are like superheroes. I mean, really, as we've talked about this a million times, was a kid that grew up reading comic books and watching wrestling. These are my real-life superheroes. For sure. But it's not just the characters they play. I mean, they really are. They're incredible. Incredible.
But, you know, sadly, in some cases, the mortality is the real thing. It's just so good to see him being a little bit of a superhero right now, man. It's just incredible stuff. Hell yeah. Shout out my guy, Chris Bay, man. Yeah. Shout out to Chris. Well. To borrow a phrase from Cody Rhodes, what do you want to talk about? There's a lot of stuff on SmackDown. We officially got a triple threat match for WrestleMania between Seth Rollins, Roman Reigns, and CM Punk. Dave, I got a question. Oh, okay.
As the art expert on this show, I need your thoughts. We got graphics. We got WrestleMania graphics. We got graphic cards. We got match cards. I need your thoughts on this year's WWE match graphics, like the face-off cards. I've seen a lot of posts about them, but I can't quite tell what the issue is.
I think they're nice. I don't think there's an issue. I think they're pretty sick. Yeah, I just, you know. There have been a lot of them that seem to be, like, redone, too. Like, oh, we put out the first Charlotte Tiffany one, and then now we're putting out a better one. I don't really get that. If they're just, like, editing on the fly, which is fine. They could have a...
a million of them for all I care. I don't really see the issue. I think they look really great. I love it. I mean, listen, this is my... my brand of art right where it's like you get the two cool guys looking awesome next to each other you get the the series theme and then you have all these little icons that are all in there and like neon mode that like symbolize
Things about the wrestlers or their little logos and whatever. I think it's pretty hot. I did see someone complaining about how everybody's eyes are like bright. Like artificially bright. And now I can't not see it. Everybody has glowing white eyes, but I think it's probably for the best. It's obviously a deliberate decision. It's got to be bright. It's Vegas. It's cool. Vegas is so sort of...
like Vegas is a thing. Vegas is a vibe, but it's also sort of, it's not just like, it doesn't feel regional. It feels bigger than regional. So there's something like, there's just something cool about that Vegas aesthetic, you know, like anytime. I'm doing a logo for a gambling show, you know, like whatever. It doesn't matter if it's in Vegas. That's like the look it's, it feels more universal than a lot of them do. You know, it's like Nashville. It was like, I had like.
acoustic guitars all over everything like i don't i don't need i don't need that you know but like when like when the city is like part of the the like a character in the show or the movie or i guess in this case in wrestlemania everything's kind of had to have that little bit of a vegas to it so i was always this is such a nerdy part of the show and i promise we'll talk about some wrestling soon but i was just always like interested in like
Vegas-themed events. Like, the Super Bowl was just there, and All-Star Weekend was there. And, like, it's always just funny to see, like, okay, how are they going to work a slot machine into this one? Or here comes some dice. Yeah. Or here's, like, the... neon and all that stuff. But yeah, we got match cards. We got, you know, we got a semblance of a WrestleMania lineup.
after this Friday on SmackDown. And, you know, I think we've got a... We got the triple threat. We got the Randy Orton, Kevin Owens matches set. Yes, yes. We're pretty damn close to... confirming Naomi versus Jade, I think might be a match on there. I want to talk a little bit about that, about Jade's match with Naomi's interference. Yeah, and we also got the Drew McIntyre, a lot of interference to set up matches, you know, a lot of scrums.
To set things up. We had Drew McIntyre. A lot of pull-aparts. Yeah. Well, Charlotte Flair and Tiffany Stratton got their pull-apart last week, which I thought was really effective. Their interview this week, a little bit less so. You didn't think it was effective? The sit down interview or like the by satellite interview? I don't know. I just don't like anything. But I mean, listen, it was a little bit. Charlotte was getting in Tiffany's ass, man. Like I.
I don't know. Maybe it's because I haven't gotten to really... I think a few weeks ago we were on the show talking about like, all right, it's a long time to get this feud popping. What are they going to do to get it? to where I'm interested in it. And Charlotte Flair, I think, for, you know, I don't want to say the first time, but definitely the first time since her return.
really is starting to lean into the fact that she's aware she's Charlotte Flair. She's aware that... I'm writing about Charlotte Flair right now, so keep going. She was basically talking to Tiffany like... all right like we get it you have blonde hair we get it you're athletic but do you really think you're as good as me even though you have the championship like she made note that it was via cash in which is like
let's just diminish the champion like off rip. Right. And then after that, she just like, Tiffany could barely get a word. I almost felt bad at a minute. That was part of the deal. The fact that it was by satellite or whatever made it hard. They were talking over each other. It felt like me when we used to do podcasts before the days of Zoom.
couldn't see the other person's face and you were like talking over him all the time but I don't know I don't think it's this is gonna sound crazy but I watched WWE Rivals yesterday and like it was Steamboat Flair And just watching how many of the, you know, side to side, not even side to side, but just how many, like I'm talking straight to the camera promos that like Ric Flair would cut that were just fucking electric. And.
The Charlotte Flair version of that isn't like the in-your-face, like, you know, sort of like just staring and screaming at the bow of the camera type of shit. It's elegant. I'm better than you. Yep. You're not even in my league. Slick shit talk that she just buried Tiffany with. And it's like. And I rarely use the term Burrian to talk about anybody, but I couldn't help but feel like, I'm like, well, damn.
why should I root for Tiffany right now? Charlotte's making a hell of a lot of sense, you know? And in that promo, I was like, man, I kind of... After hearing that, I kind of want to see Charlotte sort of like dog walk Tiffany and reestablish herself as like the alpha bitch of professional wrestling. It might not be a bad idea for Tiffany. You know, they have to kind of like, okay, she like... She took me to school, yeah.
Yeah, and, I mean, she succeeded on the terms that existed when she won the title, right? I mean, she had to, like, you know, she did the whole Nia Jax promo, which, as I said before, I think Nia's really an unsung hero of all that. Not a promo program. But I think that it's always, it's not necessarily a bad idea to have somebody to have to like, you know, work sort of as the underdog, as the new star more than once. You know, like you did it one time.
That doesn't mean you're a timeless champion. Some would fault Charlotte Flair for that being her career arc. It's like as soon as she got in the main title picture, that was her gimmick. It's interesting that you said smooth because... I was trying to figure out a way to put this into words. I feel like Charlotte is like an all-time, like she, I mean, all-time great, sure. She's working at a really high level.
But there's a certain sort of roughness to it. It's like watching, compared to Brock Lesnar before, it's almost like in the ring and on the mic, there's some Brock Lesnar quality to her where it's like you're never quite sure. if she's being legit rough or just a little or just like this is like she's just so in the gimmick like she's just so on like even I immediately think of that that
you know, when her and Nia Jax were kind of throwing hands that one time and we were just like, yo, is this, is this supposed to be happening right now? Yeah. I mean, even the thing with Becky in the ring where they were exchanging belts like that. Yeah. And, I mean, listen, it works in match terms, too. I mean, like, go back and watch her match last week with BFAB. Like, she was obviously calling the match, right? She was, like, out there.
with the express purpose of like let's see what she can do it almost felt like an old school wrestling school sort of thing like let's see what she can do but it wasn't unkind I mean the point of the match was to Well, not strictly to get B-Fab over, but kind of to get B-Fab over, right? Let's give her a real shot here. Yeah, for sure. It was like an old Ric Flair TV match. I mean, I'm not thinking specifically of Flair, but you'd see these TV matches where sometimes...
the established guy would take on enhancement talent, but it would be like a match, you know? It'd be like, okay, let's see what like Jimmy Walker, or sorry, Jimmy Davis from like Memphis, Tennessee can do, you know? And then they would give him a shot. And...
You could see Charlotte calling some of the spots. You could do whatever. But it wasn't like what a match like that would have looked like from someone who we would maybe normally consider a more like... perfect dance partner to get somebody over it was rough right it was like it was stiff it was like you could see it and there was some of that in the promo battle with
uh with tiffany stratton on friday too where it was just like it was a little bit like no i'm gonna talk over you and i'm gonna keep making my point and i'm gonna keep teeing i'm gonna keep teeing up your point and if you can't get it in that's on you you know like there was a couple of times where charlotte fed it back to her it was it was pretty interesting i loved watching them brawl last week i think they needed that you know that real element of physicality and
I hope that WWE and the announce team and everybody leans in a little bit more to like, this is Charlotte flair versus her old self, because I do think that there's a lot of juice there. Right. This is like, this is the once and future Charlotte flair right that's Tiffany Stratton because Charlotte said it you're blonde you can do a backflip everybody thinks you're me I think that's what you know the crux of this is and but I do think you're right
She was leaning into the Ric Flair part of it all. I was wondering this. This is part of my piece. Do you think Charlotte Flair would be... I'm not saying your career would necessarily be different, but do you think she'd be perceived significantly differently if she weren't Ric Flair's daughter? Yeah, 1,000%. And it's unfair, because take her last name out of it, she's still like...
Like nothing athletically, nothing style-wise, talent-wise, all this stuff makes her any less of a great talent. But like, of course. her career is different if she's not Ric Flair's daughter. Like, let's not kid ourselves. Do you think she gets a hard time for being Ric Flair's daughter? Yeah, it's a double-edged sword. Like, it's a double-edged sword with anybody. Man, we just spent a whole month talking about Bronny James.
and LeBron James and obviously if it was very easy to just be a son of a legend everybody would live like Charlotte, but it's not like that at all. Like Bronny James would have walked into the NBA and just...
dog walk people on this first week. That's not how it works. And I think obviously wrestling's different. You can obviously make the case she wouldn't have gotten some of the opportunities she got if she weren't Ric Flair's other. But I mean, someone in her position, if she were a talentless hack... She probably still would have gotten a look. I mean, no knock on David Flair, but he had quite a run in WCW for not having the most put-together package for a pro wrestler.
And yet, no one can take anything away from Charlotte Flair when it comes to actual ability. Like, she's one of one. There's no one that can wrestle like her. No one could take away from Charlotte Flair that she's like one of one. She's like one of the best physical, like one of the best workers in the business, physical specimen beyond compare.
you know I mean if she hadn't made it as a wrestler she probably would have made it as like what I mean what was it volleyball she was playing what was she playing yeah she's talking about going to like personal training I think as like a career but like dude I mean she's She's elite. She's a better athlete than her dad was by a mile. Yeah. Pure athlete. So, yeah, I mean, it's interesting. It's funny to look at. You know, when she first debuted, she was just Charlotte.
she was trying to kind of like bury the flair name a little bit and then at some point they just like vince got into his head that like she needed as many title wins as rick and it became that became the whole thing right um But I don't know. I mean, they obviously can't. Some of her feuds have fallen a little bit flat, you know, because there's not much more to them than that. Well, this runs the risk of falling flat too, right? Because it's like, all right.
you spent a good portion of the year building up tiffany stratton as like your next big star like the tiffy time shit was over as hell she sat with us a few times like had some great conversations and after every conversation we had with tiffany we're like We understand why this is the person they're going to strap a rocket to and be like, this is our next golden goose.
I think tie that into the promo that they just had. It's like, all right, well, now what's best for that title right now? Is it best to continue building Tiffany up and having her beat Charlotte in her first? wrestlemania match and like continue to be or you know start the road to her being like the charlotte flair era parent or are you gonna lean into everything charlotte has said in this promo put the title back on Charlotte and I don't know, start like a Roman Reigns level like length.
lengthy title like maybe it's not like the the multiple title runs anymore maybe what the women's division hasn't had is that like ultra dominant like thousand three hundred sixty five day 500-day, 1,000-day reign as a champion. And, you know, maybe that was the big holdup with Charlotte. Maybe it was very similar.
to Roman Reigns where, you know, he didn't come back until they were fully, he was ready and they were fully ready for it. Yeah, but you know that like, you're right, you're, yes, maybe the world isn't ready. I don't know where they're going to go, especially after this. I don't, I don't know either. I mean, listen.
If you would approach me as a fantasy booker extraordinaire at the beginning of Roman Reigns' heel turn and said, here's what we're imagining. How many days? How long was this championship reign? Brian H. Waters? I know you have it tattooed on the inside of your thigh. What was the length of the reign? 1,316 days. If you would come to me...
and said, here's what we're thinking. A thousand days of championship reign for Roman Reigns, I would have said, that's the worst decision you could possibly make. Right. Because we all care. I mean, because we all want to see... If not the hot title, then you want to see some intrigue, right? You want there to be the possibility that it's going to change hands, and if it stays in one place for that long. But it was the right move, right? All right, but...
Okay. Okay. I hear you on that. I don't think they went up to Roman Reigns and was like, yo, you're going to hold the title for like...
1400 days all i'm saying is when you're talking about doing that with charlotte flair i'm like i get the willies you know because for the same reason i would have with roman reigns it just seems like what we're just choosing not nothing we're choosing it's not nothing it's I think if they'd go that route I don't think they will but if they were to go that route Charlotte would be the only person qualified to be that type of champion for the women's division
And on top of that, the crowd would have to come along for this ride as far as entry. Yeah, that would be the tough part. Yeah, what story could be told about Charlotte Flair that would make me want to... see this championship reign even last that long like it has to be it has to be what happened with Roman it has to be a full reset at first but
Yes. And then it has to be this story, whatever it is, that is integral into all this thing that keeps us super interested. And I think you nailed it earlier when you were talking about her. You were like... we've seen these sort of rivalries fall by the wayside because it becomes all about how many title range Charlotte Flair has. So I don't know if they got the... Charlotte Flair is both the person most uniquely qualified to be that champion and also like... Yeah.
The person that has shown in the past, like, well, it's really not about the title length. It's really about beating the dad's record or setting the record like her father did. Beats me. Maybe they don't do that at all. I think that there's some value in Charlotte winning for Tiffany to let her get a little... She doesn't need a reset, but to give her some motivation. Yeah. Because what do you do with Tiffany after this?
But I do think that there's probably even more value in Charlotte taking the loss and actually doing something with it instead of just having her disappear until the next time they need her for a big storyline. You know what I mean? I mean, the question is, what's going to make us interested in Charlotte Flair? Well, that's, I mean, the reason why the bloodline worked is not something you would have put down on paper, no matter how many interviews, you know.
Paul Heyman gives about this being the godfather of pro wrestling. We scripted it out from the start. I mean, there's like a 90% chance that falls flat with another wrestler, right? You also need about like 15 months of no fans in the crowd to help get that storyline. over, which is why it's so unique. We were so amped up for Roman Reigns to be a heel that they got like a six-month, eight-month grace period. And that's pretty much unheard of in pro wrestling, especially in the modern age.
and it particularly would not be there for Charlotte Flair, I would argue. But regardless, I'd like to see them lay hands on each other. I have a feeling this could be an incredibly good match. You can say whatever you want to. I have no doubt it'll be like a top three match of the weekend. I mean, say what you want to by Charlotte Flair. But like, I mean, her match with Rhea Ripley was like just insane. Yeah.
And I'm not saying Tiffany Stratton's better than Rhea Ripley, but I think the styles give it potential to be a match just as good or better.
than the match she had with Rhea. So same, you know, both powerful. I mean, that's kind of the thing with Charlotte is that she's... the most powerful person in the division but also one of the most like athletic graceful people in the position in the in the in the division you know so it's like you can kind of go either way with her and i'm and i'm interested to see
I don't know, man. I think it'd be pretty cool. It's interesting the way they're setting it up. But we have other matches to talk about, too. Yeah, let's talk about them. CM Punk. versus Roman Reigns versus Seth Rollins is official. Bruh. These guys don't like each other, Gaz. They really don't like each other. There is something about seeing all three of those guys in the one ring together.
That makes me feel so old, Steve. It makes me feel so old. Oh, that's not where I thought you were going to go with that. Not old, but man.
There's so much story to be told between those three guys, and they're still not even real. You're right. We were podcasting for all of it. Yeah. It does make you feel a little bit old. The majority of my wrestling speaking... in the publicly speaking wrestling career, whatever you want to call this, through YouTube's podcast, whatever, literally starts around the punk Roman, the punk shield era.
You know what I mean? That was my era of like, okay, I'm back in. We call that the Ryback era on this podcast. We go ahead. But there's so much story to be told there, man. And just them standing around. talking to each other, the sort of quiet respect that Roman and Seth have for each other, even though it's like, I'd still tear this guy's head off. They're like, man.
I ain't going to say it too loud because, you know, I acknowledge my tribal chief. But the sort of little brothering that CM Punk kind of gives both of those guys as soon as he walks into the ring, which is... Roman Reigns only gets really little brothered by The Rock, right? Yeah. And that's for obvious reasons, because family-wise, he is where he is.
But even though Punk isn't as strong as Roman, even though Punk isn't as physically imposing as Roman or maybe as athletically gifted as Seth Rollins, he still kind of holds this sort of like... Yeah, I mean, he kind of brought them both into the company. Yeah, like, maybe not literally. He's got that, like, Daddy Punk or whatever they call him at the Performance Center. What is it, like, Uncle Punk? That's definitely not it, but I like Uncle Punk.
He cast such a big shadow on both of their careers. And by the way, if you watch that promo on SmackDown, in kayfabe, deliberately scripted, he was trying to cast a big shadow. He came out in the muscle shirt. Yeah. And he delivered his promo from sitting on the top rope. Yeah. He was trying to be as physically imposing as possible. He literally and figuratively cast the shadow on Roman and Seth. You cannot think of any of their success without thinking of how they came in.
and what they had to deal with in CM Punk's absence. Like, the Roman and Seth, a lot of Roman and Seth Rollins' apprehension. from them as main guys, comes from CM Punk not being around. Like, he was... I know people, you know... the suffering succotash all over the place and say what you want about the, the hyena laugh of Seth and Roman. And just think of all the moments of Roman and Seth's career that weren't like the highlights that we see now.
I think if you really sit with yourself as a wrestling fan, like a big reason why those moments sucked, at least a portion of it. it's because punk was gone punk was gone right yeah and there was that we never got a conclusion to even if CM Punk really brought the shield in to help protect that title. We never really got a satisfying conclusion. That was all from shoot interviews and stuff. We got it from the Cabana interview and all that type of stuff. We never really got to...
get a satisfying TV payoff to that Punk Shield story. And then you got this favor hanging over the head because, man. I'm glad you went there. Paul Heyman is the guy who... was the reason why CM Punk was who CM Punk was when The Shield was coming in. People can argue that Paul Haven is the reason why Roman Reigns is who Roman Reigns is at this particular time. So it is...
There's a lot of story to be told there. And I'll be honest, I probably wasn't the biggest fan of this triple threat when it was being rumored. But as pieces start to come together and you start to think of like, all right, well... You can't have those three in the ring and not have something incredible to follow it. So it's feeling very main event night one to me. I don't know. Or second to last match on night two.
I know we've been over this a million times, but does it need more stakes, A, in general, and B, if it's going to be a night one main event, say? Does it need to be a number one contenders match? Does it need to be... I don't even know what else. Does it need something else on the line for it to be that big? Yeah. Yeah. And maybe it's not really a stipulation, but there has to be some sort of what's going to happen when moment between the three. Right? That's why I think...
They tease the favor on Friday, and there's a part of me that wouldn't be surprised at all if the favor was basically just... not even a Chekhov's gun thing. If the favor was, the favor was closer to the higher power than Chekhov's gun. Like we'll figure this out when we figure it out, you know? Uh, but.
they did tease it and i wonder if that there's something there that they can kind of up the ante a little bit listen these guys are doing enough this is this could be the main event of any show anywhere anytime these three guys in the ring But it's almost like by the fact that it's not given to be the main event, that it feels like it needs something to remind us that it's that big of a deal. I don't know. Maybe I'm overthinking.
I don't know. I still, every time I'm going through it, every time you go on the message boards, every time you read online, there's people who were there just like, well... But what if this is night one and then the winner does something on night two? How much does that matter to you, Dave? How much does that matter where that match is on the card? Because...
It matters to me because it's like, we've talked about this before, there's some wrestlers who are exactly as big as the spot you put them in. Okay. Right? And this is the match version of that. if they had just said these guys hate each other so much and they're three of our four biggest stars male stars this is your night two main event end of story then it becomes then it feels that big and if it's the
third match on night one, it feels that big. It's not going to... I feel like we'll get something in there. We'll probably get some street fight rules. Could we have Cody Cena on night one?
And the winner of this match faces Cody on night two or something? Nah, nah. It's not going to be that. Cody and Cena is your night two main event. I think that is... I know, I know, I know. Logically, you're right. I know logically you're right, but CM Punk... and Seth Rollins I mean CM Punk out loud and Seth Rollins implicitly have been saying I want to be the main event of Wrestlemania for the entire calendar year Roman Reigns
is the walking main event of Wrestlemania I mean and what all three of these guys just hate each other so much they're like okay with not being in a title match at Wrestlemania like even in wrestling logic they should be like beating up Jey Uso backstage to try to take his spot. You know what, Dave? Here's how they make that work. Here's how I would make it work.
These walk-in shots, the walking shots that they have on Raw, SmackDown, all these things, the Lee fitting special. Yeah. Those have been so, so like... perfect for like the outside of the ring storytelling, right? I think you put Seth Rollins and Punk right before Cena Cody. And then you get the ultimate walkout shot. I feel like whatever this favor is, whatever Heyman's going to have to do, I get a feeling.
he's walking out with the winner regardless. And I think we're going to be so shocked or so taken aback from what that Heyman walkout with whoever the winner of that match is. We're going to follow them back up to the WrestleMania ramp all the way up. I'm glad you're going here. Go ahead. When they get all the way up there, they're going to open the curtain. And who's going to be standing there? Even John Cena.
Or Cody Rhodes. And they're both going to give each other a look. And it'll be understood that... Oh, this is your next thing. This is where we're going after this. You know? So maybe... Let's wave the wand of high speculation one more time. Say Seth Rollins walks out with Paul Heyman. I was about to say, if it is revealed between now and WrestleMania that Punk's favor has something to do with Heyman being in his corner, then I will bet my bottom dollar...
that payment ends up in Seth Rollins. Yes. Yes. Right. If the stakes, if the stakes become who, who gets Paul Heyman as a manager, then Seth Rollins, then, yeah, then the answer is option C. Yes. And I, and that would be. awesome. Yes. I mean, that would just be awesome. Because I'd love to see... With the potential. I'd low-key... I mean, you know, I love me some wise men. I love some Paul Heyman.
But there's no real big bads out there that are every week performer. All the big bads are, you know what I mean, The Rock and John Cena. Yes, yes, yes. You need, you need a weekend weekend, just like you did when Seth Rollins joined the authority the first time. Yes. You know, Randy Orton was in that spot, but like, but like he was, they needed somebody in that role.
There's one other thing crossed my mind, though. And I know this has been speculated on. But if you ever wanted to do business with Brock Lesnar again... And I don't think there's any, anyone would say it's out of the question. But if you're, if you're thinking Brock Lesnar, if you're WWE and Brock Lesnar is up there on the, on the push pin board, you know, and you got the yarn connected to him and you're trying to figure out how to work them into a storyline.
There's a lot of problems with Brock Lesnar, right? Just his affiliation, his association with the Vince McMahon era and specifically with the Vince McMahon lawsuit. Right. If you want to... If Brock Lesnar came out on a Monday or came out on WrestleMania and just wrecked shop with no storyline attached, just Brock Lesnar's back, that could potentially get a bad reaction. Maybe not like a Hulk Hogan-level reaction, but it might not go over so well.
Will it? But if he came back as like Punk's muscle and this is the favor, then that gets exactly the reaction that you want it to get. That's a big bad right there. The real Heyman guy trio of Heyman. If the favor is I need Brock Lesnar's phone number. Remember how there was that whole rumor that John Cena and Hornswoggle had a falling out because Swoggle asked for the girl from the band's phone number or something? What?
I do not remember, though. I could be misremembering that. There might be some details missing between that story. The girl from Paramore. Yeah, I wanted to shoot her a message and ask Punk and Punk thought that was like a violation of their friendship to even ask. I don't fucking know, man. It's hilarious. But it would just be there'd be a certain like delicious irony to Punk like needing to ask for somebody's phone number, you know, for their own.
purposes, but it would also fit the bill of a favor in Punk's mind. This is not just something you asked for. Punk is probably the one who's owed Heyman the favor because taking the Lesnar heat for Punk... I don't think Punk would do it. I don't know. What I'm saying is I think Punk's the one guy who's heat-proof enough to put that over. Like, man.
I think you get the feeling that eventually Punk's going to get tired. Brock Lesnar is not a problematic figure in kayfabe. No. Any more so than he was before. So it's not like that would be the favor. WWE does business with problematic figures. On top of that, you kind of get the feeling eventually CM Punk's going to get tired of being cheered. I think he's already tired. I think he's getting there. This is my difficulty with CM Punk.
This is where I come down because I get a piece on him coming too. Okay. I feel like he's ready to turn heel most of the time when I see him out there being a pro wrestler. And then every time I turn around, there's some freaking clip online. about him and Cody being in the ring together, hugging kids, him like cheering him, him sitting on the ringside to watch Cody's entrance and doing all like this fan.
sound i saw some clip of him holding a baby in an interview i don't know what that was i'm just kidding uh but kind of idiot it's like Gives their baby to see him. It's like he's at a phase now where he's happy to reap the rewards of that sort of big baby face lifestyle. And...
So I'm not sure where he is. It seems like as a performer, he's ready to... And maybe this is just the era that we're in. Maybe Punk's ethos has totally swallowed pro wrestling to the point where you can call somebody a... worthless piece of shit on TV and still go hug kids afterwards. I don't know. That's true. But I agree that you've got to imagine Punk the pro wrestler. Punk the guy who...
who mimics Bret Hart matches when he's looking to have a good time, is going to want to be a heel again. And probably sees Cena turning heel, and there's a part of him where he's just like, man, they go. that could be me like anybody's every wrestler is doing that I mean Punk also fits the mold for being another member of the of the rock posse We aren't even sure if there is a rock posse. See, it didn't even mention it. No, this is the...
Yeah, no, Cena doesn't mention The Rock. We don't know where The Rock's involvement is. Meltzer was out here giving cryptic answers that I wouldn't put any particular weight in about Rock's involvement being up in the air. People are out there still theorizing about The Rock holding up the three. You remember that when he did the... I mean, I do think The Rock is doing a little bit of like, let me just...
It's like the tease without the follow-through plan when he does that stuff. I think it's the complete opposite. I think we're at the point where The Rock is doing stuff. solely to fuck with dave melter specifically specifically like if he's reporting on something that he thinks he knows or if anybody's reporting on something that they think they know
I just don't think they do. When The Rock holds up to three, which now in retrospect looks a little bit like the Cena hand signal. But it was two on Elimination Chamber. Yes. And then it became, wait, so it's three, two, and then we're waiting for what? It was three, I want to say bad blood, right? Yes. It was two after the throat slit. Yep. One can theorize that the next time we see The Rock, or if The Rock holds up a one, you know what I mean? He'll be joining a new member into his ranks. Hey.
Is that what you're saying, right? There's only one person I think of when I think of this. Who's that? Acknowledge me? Number one? One left? No? You think the Rocks are joining up? I mean, you think Roman's joining up? It wouldn't shock me. Here's the thing. I think there's still, I think despite the Roman reign, this is just an incredible conversation. I think despite the Roman reign, I'm just saying, if that's a thing, if that's a thing, that's the only person I think of.
Oh, if the hand gestures are meaningful at all. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, okay. But here's the deal. I think that the... I think that the Roman Reigns face turn has been slightly overstated. Right? I think that the story that they're telling now, I mean, you saw the way that he's been acting. Yeah, it's a bit.
He hasn't changed a bit. And I think they're kind of working a little bit backwards here, trying to reestablish that Roman Reigns hasn't changed a bit because he got maybe more of a baby face reaction or he was... It's not the babyface reaction. That couldn't have surprised anybody, but it's the assumption that he's just a babyface now, right? So now they're trying to remind us that he's not a babyface. I still think that there's a big babyface moment waiting for him.
in the future that's why i don't think they'd go right back to heel with him but maybe i mean what the heck do i know I don't know. We're all reading too much into this, and I think that's sort of the point. That is the point. That's the entire point of this whole conversation. There is so much me on the bone of a CM Punk, Roman Reigns, Seth Rollins. triple threat because their stars are too big for them to not be directly involved into whatever is the fallout between.
Cena and Cody, right? So it's like, is someone going to turn heel? Is someone going to do this? Low-key, this is the case for Seth too, because... there's so much meat on the bone, it's not going to get resolved at WrestleMania. The only thing that could possibly get resolved at WrestleMania is... that Seth Rollins is not on the level of the other two guys. Which is why he's got to win. Which is why he's got to win. I agree. And I've said this weeks ago.
It's the only thing that could be definitive about anything that happens at WrestleMania. I don't know if Seth Rollins is going to walk out with Paul Heyman. I don't know if Seth Rollins is going to join the... What's the rock posse? I don't know if any of that's going to happen. He's got a win. My guess is that that match will end with Roman Spearing Punk.
And Rollins stomping Roman and getting the pin on Punk. Yeah. Yeah. Or Rollins getting a win that's decisive, but also wouldn't have happened in a one-on-one match. Satisfying, but maybe not. not decisive. Yeah. He needs this win more than the other two. He needs to get a win back over Punk just purely from wins losses. And Roman Reigns... You know, Roman Reigns is a made man. Roman Reigns doesn't need to win off anybody, especially in a triple threat. No.
So I think that's what's really interesting. And then we're going to say this, and then Seth's going to lose at WrestleMania, and we're going to be like, well, no, but it's still okay. Seth still has whatever. They're going to give him some out. Nah, man, you can't get smoked by Cody Rhodes like three times in a row. You can't get smoked by...
CM Pong. Seth needs something else. He needs a big WrestleMania win. What's the last signature win from Seth Rollins? We already talked about this. You're right. We didn't talk about this. He needs another signature moment. I'll put it like that. Seth Rollins signature moment. There's a little bit of Charlotte Flair in that too. What's your favorite Charlotte Flair feud? Not match, feud. Becky Lynch.
Turned into the man. SummerSlam. I got a front row seat to it. The Becky Lynch-Charlotte Flair feud is the feud of her career. Easy answer. Name another one. I don't know. Yeah. The Bayley stuff in NXT was fun. It was. But anyway, yeah, I mean, you're right. Seth needs Seth needs like a light reset and whether that's teaming with Heyman or joining up with the heel faction or um
I mean, the Heyman angle would be so funny because it writes itself, right? You could be Heyman and just be like, folks, I get paid per appearance. I want to be with the guy who's here every week. That's it. Oh, gosh. They're doing everything right with this. I just can't help but wonder if there's something more literal at stake. Or...
I mean, I don't even know. I keep feeling like there's a Loser Leaves Town aspect to this, but nobody's going anywhere. But it's that sort of stipulation that I'm hoping for. Loser Leaves, whatever show they're on. But, you know, there's no real way to... Then you have to acknowledge that there's show supremacy and that's a whole can of worms. But it's that vibe that I'm looking for in this match. Something that just can tell...
the old school wrestling nerd in me that this match really matters. And like I said, they've been talking about being in the main event at WrestleMania for so long. You know? So what CM Punk has proven more than anything else since his return in WWE is he's officially a guy who doesn't need a title. Yeah. You know, like that's what the Drew McIntyre feud proved beyond a shadow of a doubt.
He's the biggest thing in pro wrestling without the title. And frankly, you know, shoehorning any of these guys into a match with Gunther would be a step down for them. No offense to Gunther, that's just it's a secondary title at this point. That's not the belt. No, like we speculated months ago, if they took the title off Gunther and made this match for...
the World Heavyweight Championship. Okay, well then they're bringing their reputations, they're bringing their mojo to that belt. It means something. But I don't know, man. These guys have been begging to be in the main event for so long. that's basically what this feud is about. Like who's the main, which of us is a real main eventer. Yeah. Or the main eventer of the three. Yeah. Depends on the story. And yet they're, and yet they're not in the main event.
That's what's off to me. It needs something. It needs some main event stakes. Or they could just like... just rub it in their face and say, listen, guys, WrestleMania card is stacked. We're going to put you guys on SmackDown. Give us a hot start to the weekend. And then they got to fight their way onto the big show one way or another. Dude, I don't know.
I don't know. I'm excited, though. I'm excited to see how these guys work together because here's the thing with Roman Reigns. As great as the Bloodline story's been, I think what the story is for him is him looking around and realizing... I've been staring inward for too long. I have found my main event. I have found my championship. defenses I have found everything that matters to get me on top of this world in my circle and on the just the vague periphery of the circle and meanwhile
While I'm obsessed with the bloodline shit, thinking that there's this bigger thing, there's always something bigger down the road, and you can point at The Rock for that. There's always going to be a bigger bloodline match. Meanwhile... The world outside the bloodline has sort of reconstituted itself. And now the real challenge, the tribal chief shit, the Ulofala shit, all that was was a stand-in for I'm the top guy in the business, right?
And now he's in the ring with two other guys who have a claim to being the top guy in the business that have nothing to do with the bloodline, right? There is stuff that's bigger than the bloodline. That's the story for Roman Reigns.
And if he's going to get back there, if he's going to get back to the top, he's got to go through these guys. And eventually, Cody Rhodes again. Anyway, it's exciting stuff. It's exciting stuff. So Seth Rollins is going to win. We're making our prediction now, right?
Oh, I'll put money on it. I like that Seth Rollins money. It's probably some plus money, you know? Not a lot of people think he's got a legit shot. I think he's got the most to gain here. So yeah, I'll definitely put some bread on Seth. Cass, I know you gotta get out of here. I'm gonna drag Brian in to do a thought experiment. Getting the hot tag, Brian? Alright.
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We're just talking about Morgan State University and there you are in your Morgan State t-shirt. Yeah, I just kind of threw it on. It's been a super early morning. It is an early morning. All right. You ready for a little thought experiment? Let's do it. We got...
Our four big title matches for WrestleMania are set now, right? Mm-hmm. We got Cody Rhodes defending versus John Cena, Gunther defending against Jey Uso, Tiffany Stratton defending against Charlotte Flair, and Io Sky defending against... Bianca Belair and probably Rhea Ripley, right? Yes. Here's my question for you. If this weren't WrestleMania, or if this were WrestleMania when worlds collide,
Each of those four champions has to defend against somebody from AEW. Can't be the same person in multiple instances. Uh-huh. What's the best possible card you could pull out? The best possible card. Let's start at the top. Okay. Cody Rhodes. Forget about the John Cena storyline. Just Cody Rhodes versus. Obviously, Jon Moxley is your world champion. Obviously, Kenny Omega and Okada holding the belts as well.
There's a lot of other big names up there. You got, you know, Will Ospreay. That's who Kaz would say if he were sitting here. I don't know if I would disagree. You know, guys like Takeshita, guys like Bobby Lashley, guys like Cope, guys like... speedball mike bailey the greatest wrestler in the world i'm just kidding swerve is huge i mean swerve has got to be in the conversation hangman mjf of all of the potential options out there
You're booking it one night only. Who would you want Cody Rhodes to fight at WrestleMania? Okada. Really? Yeah. So I would say... You know... Are you booking this, like, so Okada can take the... Like, they would agree for Okada to take the loss? Is that the... No, because, all right, I've been one, and I got a lot of heat for this one. I said Okada lost his order, right?
Yeah. But I do feel like he's a phenomenal wrestler. Like that's never going to go away. And I think because I'm also secretly saving Osprey for a gluten. Okay, well, we can start there, too. I think Ospreay Gunther is, yes. Yes, that is correct. Man, how big would that be? Man, what? What about Kenny Omega? You can build in the old We Were Co-Founders storyline. Kenny Omega versus Cody could be huge. It could be. And I was thinking about that, but then I'm thinking.
This ain't fair at all. I was thinking about, I think it was like Supercard, and I wasn't a big fan of that match. I remember staying up for it and then being disappointed. So I was like, ugh. you know what? I'm not even going to try it again for WrestleMania. I'm going to just go to Al Qaeda route, but I would not be mad. That was my first thought. Oh yeah. Omega Cody. Yeah. Why not?
Yeah, you're right. I mean, there's a lot of history there that goes both ways, but man, I don't know. I mean, you could obviously go deep into the shared AEW history with... any number of these guys, right? The MJF match would be easy. I mean, it would write it easy in the sense that it would write itself, right? I mean...
But I don't know if that's... I mean, MJF's not exactly... I mean, he's not holding a belt. It's not like he's not at the top of the card. I would love to see Cody versus Swerve. Yeah. Give Swerve the title at Dynasty and then go from there or whatever. I mean, I don't know why. Breaking champion versus champion. I feel like Moxley, if you're doing a super card, you got to do...
Moxley with or without the title versus Roman Reigns. Like that's your super card match, right? Yeah. Moxley versus Reigns. And if Reigns isn't available, Moxley versus Rollins easily. Yeah. Okay. What would you do with John Cena as the other guy who's not going to be wrestling Cody Rhodes? Who do you want to see John Cena fight? See, now that might be good for Osprey. Just the promos alone.
Oh, yeah. Running away from the grind and all that. The ultimate WWE guy. And then he had to go back to being, you know. Oh, yeah. Because I'm looking at all these other names and I think that's it. Osprey Cena. And then you go talk about promos. MJF versus Gunther. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, yeah. You got to do something for Swerve. You got to do something for Hangman. It should be Swerve and Hangman. They just got to keep fighting each other. They're the only two guys that fight each other.
No, I'd love to see like a hangman, hangman versus Seth Rollins and like a, like a fun house mirror sort of like, you know, different versions of the same guy match. Um, that could be a lot of fun. Um, All right. What about... Yeah. You can go a lot of different directions with this. All right. Tiffany Stratton. Who's she... Is it... Is it... Okay. Tiffany Stratton and Eosky.
I mean, the top two women's champs, obviously, in AEW, you've got to be your two choices. Mercedes Monet and Timeless Tony Storm. But how do you line them up? You go interchangeably. honestly but we've seen in some way shape or form i'm pretty sure we've seen eo and mercedes so i would want to see mercedes and tiffany you know yeah and then eo
EO and Tony Storm could be incredibly compelling. We've seen that too. I think I would go the other way. I think I would go EO and Mercedes, Tiffany Stratton and Tony Storm. Styles make fights and all that. But I kind of ran the CEO and Mariah May. Yeah. I think it's Mariah May alive. I don't think we know for sure.
Okay, what if... I mean, you could put them both in that match, right? Because we got the Rhea Ripley spot too. We go Mariah May, Toni Storm, and both going up against Io and fighting each other. But... Yeah. Obviously, you're going to hold out Rhea Ripley to have the Rhea Ripley-Megan Bain showdown that everybody's been imagining. You got Chris Statlander in there, too. Yeah. It's true.
No, Chris Statlander and Bianca Belair. Oh, there you go. There you go. There's so much fun that you can have with this. Kevin Owens versus Randy Orton. Any AEW dream matches coming out of either of those two? I mean, Randy and Omega. Oh. Yeah, that's the dream right there. Nothing jumps out immediately for me for Kevin Owens. I think you do Kevin Owens. I mean, you could do Kevin Owens' Hangman.
Because those are the two, like, just most cerebral crazy guys. Yep. Do pivot to Seth Rollins versus Swerve, which could be the show stealer. Yeah. Oh, easily. I think the supercard has some legs. What do you think? Think we should book it? Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's a...
Can we just get some Saudi money and book it for WrestleMania weekend? Just book the supercard? Everybody just gets a one-day reprieve from their contracts, and we're going to run this on Thursday night at the convention center or something? Yeah, how about that? Before Wally Mania? Who do you want to see CM Punk fight of everybody in AEW? Tony Khan. Yeah.
I mean, we had Austin McMahon, we had Cornette, and KO never wrestled. But, you know, why not at this point? Oh, my God. CM Punk versus Tony Khan. But Tony Khan needs a heater. Tony Khan's got to have, like... Like, you know, the hurt syndicate backing him up or something. Yeah. Dude. I was going to say cope. I mean, I know we've seen that, but just in this, this state.
Oh, Cope. I thought you were saying Colt. I was like, yeah, we could go right there. That's fine. Yeah, that too. That would actually work. Who would Cope fight? Obviously doing Cope Cena again could be a lot of fun, but it's like Cena Ospreay a lot better. God. Cope. It almost had to be somebody who he never wrestled in WWE, right? It felt like he's wrestled everybody. I know he hasn't, but...
Maybe. Huh? I don't think so. Maybe we just do cope versus Finn and let Finn finally get his win back. Cause you know, Finn's going to be okay. Oh, my God. Dude, I know it'll never happen, but look at how easy that was. We just fell backwards into a million things. Oh, man. You could do Cope versus Ricky Sainz. Call him. They got a little... They got some issues to work out.
Yeah, that could be absolutely sick. Was there any other big news this week? No, not really. I was looking before. Soraya says AEW don't need her right now. That was the only thing that's worthy I came across. Can I ask you a question since we touched on it earlier? I want to get your take on this. Jade lost... Jade Cargill lost on SmackDown to Liv Morgan. Now, there's a lot of...
you know, flim-flam that led to that loss. There's the involvement of both Naomi and Raquel Rodriguez. But... jade cargill had an undefeated single streak in wwe up to this point and there were some people who were saying oh this is punishment for all the rumors and shit that she had backstage heat like whatever i mean first of all that's nonsense because if there were If they were trying, I don't think they would punish anybody on screen. It's one thing to unpush somebody.
But there's no punishment that comes with being in a WrestleMania feud that's getting lots of attention. Going to Sean Ross Sapp of Fightful.com, Jade Cargo's first singles pinfall loss since September 2023, which was when she was in AEW. Is that a big deal? Or is this just like she lost it with a former champion in a convoluted way and we're not worried about any undefeated streaks that aren't actually a storyline we're paying attention to?
No, not worried about undefeated streaks. It made sense. She lost to Liv Morgan. And I, you know, I've never been a fan of Jake constantly winning anything just because, like... You're in the big leagues. That's not... She actually looks a lot more crisp in the ring than I remember her being. I know she spent some time down at the PC doing stuff, but you can't give people...
I'm not saying this is what they were doing. Right. But there can't be the perception that you're giving people undefeated streaks like the Road Warriors got back in the day because they couldn't work. You know, like you can't give people undefeated streaks as like a consolation prize. You know, so like you got it like, you know, and you can always rebuild an undefeated streak. And you know what? She had Naomi had to cost her something.
Yes, exactly. Now she's even more angry. And she looked so much better being a heel than she did in 2014-15. Like, you know, Naomi looked uncomfortable. This time she looked like she went out there, she owned it. And I was like, I mean, I've been on Team Naomi from this whole thing. It's fun to pick a side. So that's the side I chose. Wait, you're on Team Naomi? Yeah.
I like Naomi. I might like her better than Jade Cargill, but I have a hard time picking the person who threw someone off a ledge into a car. What it comes down to is that I just felt like her and Bianca was a better team. She rightfully so. I hope you don't try to solve any problems this way in the ringer world. No. Dude, dude. I mean, I'm a better producer for that podcast. I had to kill him.
No, but it could have been handled differently, but she didn't get the opposite way. Okay, I got it. So you're team Naomi. That's great. Yeah, I feel like Jade Cargill is... in general, a divisive figure. And I think every win, every loss ends up stirring up a lot of shit online.
I think a large part of it is because she was the AEW person that came over to WWE. So no matter what happens, there's like some people with real opinions on the subject. And then there's this overwhelming sea of bots that are just like nutty about it. Like just absolutely. And maybe these are real people, but they're still bots to me. They were just so nutty about the AEW versus WWE rivalry that they're just permanently mad about...
in weird directions all the time. But Jade is a singularly divisive figure. Every win, there's people saying, why her? Every loss, it's saying, how could you do that to her? What is it about Jade? Is it just that she was the big get from AEW? I really do feel that way. At the end of the day, I feel that... And then she's also like, it's also the fact that we didn't see the grind because she didn't really, she ain't come through the indies. She flaunts the fact that, hey, you know, I'm...
doing this because I want to, not because I have to. And I think people just don't like that. And when Jay Cargill fully turns heel and embraces that, I think it's just going to print more money for it. You know, because she's easy to dislike.
in that sense if that's how you feel like what do you mean your husband's rich what do you mean you're a mother and you mean your life is so great you're flaunting this on social media you own a softball team like these are incredible this is like a john cena promo like you guys just sat on your asses and watched me be great. You know, it's like, yeah, it is. It's like the last thing we want to.
I would say the first thing you want to know about a professional wrestler is that they love wrestling as much as you. Jade does not necessarily win on that count, right? Exactly. But the second thing you want to hear, but the second thing you don't want to hear is that they're happy, normal, well-adjusted people. Right. Just like, nah, things are fine. Like, yeah, you know, I'm mad at this person on TV, but overall, you know, I got a good life. Like, no, you don't have a good life.
I don't want you to have a good life. I want you to be like fighting and clawing for everything in the world. That's all that matters to me. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. I don't know. Would you rather that Jade was working in interviews and acting like she wasn't happy? Do you think she'd be better off? Like, I'll never be happy until I got that WWE title wrapped around my waist.
Yeah, why not? I don't know if that works in this day and age. It's hard, you know, because one of the things I don't like seeing, and this is me, the get off my lawn, is because the women do this all the time and I get the support, but... They post a picture and then another woman, whether heel or baby face, will tweet heart emojis, fire or post on the Instagram. They're so excited. You know, they're recognizing that.
Like, I get it. They take their kayfabe hats off and they're being real people. And they're supporting their co-workers. Like, oh, you look good. Girl, you look good. I'm like, oh, stop it. This is WrestleMania season. I want to see y'all beef. That's what I love with... Naomi and Jay and even Bianca is doing. Bianca's trying to stay out of it. Jay's like, no, she ain't even say nothing. You would think she would try to put us back together. I'm like...
Yes, this is what I want to see. But it usually happens on NXT. Kalani Jordan posts something. Jada Parker was how good she looks. But then they get on Tuesday and they fight. I get it. I know people have to say, it's just, you know, we know it's the F word, but. It's just, you know, like you said, let's work here. And that's what's beautiful about what Naomi and Jada do.
It's so funny. It's easier to suspend the disbelief in NXT because it's just more of a campy old school production. Yeah. I don't mind when they do it in NXT. It's more of a main roster thing where they're out there just like... It's like you get to the main roster, you kind of have to own that this is who you are to the entire world. We're not trying on costumes here on the main roster. Yeah. Anyway.
Well, that was a fun thought experiment. Thanks for doing that. Thank you for having me as always. Tomorrow we're going to be on worldwide together. Having some fun. Yeah. We haven't had a draft in a while. Maybe I'll force a draft into tomorrow's episode. Well, you know, I have this idea I want to do when we're all together next month. I want to recap our draft we did last year.
What was it? Like the full roster draft? Yeah, the roster draft. See who won. Like who had the best, you know. Oh, like score it. We could score it, you know. We could kind of see. Yeah, but that's probably the best way. Score it, you know. Oh, that's good. We could be all in a room, you know, put it on a big board or something. It's just like the recap before we do this year's. I want to do, that's a good, that's a really good idea.
I kind of have been playing around with the idea of doing like a, not exactly a futures draft, but like an undercard draft. Like let's do a, it's the full WWE roster. excluding everybody that had a singles or tag team match on a pay-per-view. Oh. Over the past 12 months. Oh, that would be fun.
If you're in like a Battle Royal or some schmozzy multi-team thing, like whatever, you're up for the draft. But if you had any significant match on a PLE, you're out. I was going to say Jacob Fatu, but then I remembered Crown Jewel. Yeah. And then, obviously, Survivor Series. Sorry, I know we're trying to get out of here. What's going on with Jacob Fatu right now? I think that we're ahead... Storm is still beefing. Yeah, but...
See, I thought that the bloodline put it back together, and now the bloodline's beefing again. Yeah. So are we headed towards a bloodline thing for WrestleMania, or... So that's the thing. But I think it's one of those things where they can flip it just like that, where somewhere in the lines, him and Solo get into it and then boom. there's your match, him and Solo, you know, they could tell that story in two weeks. I also think that you got, like...
Solo and Jacob Fatu just as like a back pocket tag team is something you want to hold on. Just try out for a little while. Right. I think that we're going to do... Jacob Fatu versus Braun Strowman versus LA Knight at WrestleMania. You know, like, why else is Braun Strowman here? He's like a WrestleMania spectacle, but like, that's not a match on its own.
And they're going to give us that match next week. At least they were teasing like they were. Right. I think we're not done with that whole feud yet. And it's like, why did they just put the title back on LA Night? Okay, well now he's like an underdog against these monsters. I don't know. There could be something there. Anyway, we actually got to end the show at some point.
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