Welcome to The Rest Is Politics US with me, Katty Kaye, and Anthony Scaramucci is here too, and we are live on YouTube, and also this will be a podcast that will run on The Rest Is Politics US feed. On Friday morning, I have to say, Anthony, I'm kind of confused about which day it is because I've been stuck in that convention hall for the last four days, and it's pretty hard to remember, but I have just rushed back from the Democratic National
Convention. I started watching Kamala Harris's speech live there in the hall. They were in raptures, the Democratic audience there, watching her. I'm interested to hear. I was in the hall, so I want to talk about what that felt like, but what did it feel like to you watching it on television? Why don't we start in the hall? Because most of the people listening, including myself, were not in the hall. So, Katty, what was it like in the hall?
So there was a, it had been, it was quite a long build up towards her. We had to wait a good couple of hours, maybe even three of other people giving speeches. There were some sweet moments where her little two nieces came out. Their elementary school-aged girls, these two girls came out with Kerry Washington. The actress taught us all how to say her name. There were some families who came out who talked about how they had been impacted. There
was a very moving story of a young woman who had been sex trafficked. Kamala Harris, when she was a prosecutor in California, had shut down the website and prosecuted the people who had sex trafficked this young, brave young woman who got up and told her story. But there had been, so there had been some nice personal stories that also been, to be honest, quite a lot of politicians speaking, giving their little stump speeches. So everyone
had had to get in there early because it was all shut down and absolutely packed. You weren't allowed in for a good two or three hours beforehand unless you'd already got in and got a seat. By the time then Kamala Harris comes on stage and is bang on time at 930
Chicago time and she takes the stage and the whole stadium just erupts in cheers. They're waving banners, they've got these big tall kind of posters that they're waving with her name and they are cheering and cheering and cheering so much so that Kamala Harris kind of has to say to them, okay, let's get down to business. We've got a talk now. Let's get down to business and she comes out on stage in this kind of navy suit with
a navy shirt and she smiles. My initial takeaway was that this woman did not stop smiling. She looked genuinely happy to be there. This is now my ninth convention, the ninth time I've been in that position of being in a convention hall and watching a nominee from the Republican party or from the Democratic party take the stage and I don't think I've ever seen a candidate who looked so genuinely happy to be there. I think I texted you Anthony saying, my God,
does this woman ever stop smiling? She really looked like she was thrilled to be there and then she gave about a 40 minute speech and we can go through that but the atmosphere as you'd expect, they were delighted to have her up on stage. She was super energetic, the energy in the room was very high level. Men and women all dancing in their seats
in the stadium to the music that accompanied her. I have to say, I think I texted you this for people who watched Kamala Harris go through her 2020 kind of very low key, low performance really, election campaign. I don't think I have seen a politician come this far, this
fast and perform this well in that bigger setting with the stakes that high. I can't remember one who's done it on this quick turnaround and this was the most important speech of her political career, the most important moment of her political career, her chance to introduce herself to the American people. She handled it like a pro. She handled it like somebody who's been given this kind of speech in this huge audience and she hit all the right notes.
She pointed out her family, she wished her husband a happy anniversary. He was sitting there right in front of her. The family were right yards from her and I think that was really nice the way she pointed them out. I think she nailed it. Before this speech, I said this has to be a really good speech and she has to deliver it really well and I think she hit all the notes she needed to hit. Okay, but play, play Republican strategist
for a second and you've now come out of there. You've watched the speech and now you're going to hit that speech and you're going to attack that speech. How would you attack that speech? You're going to go after her for what she kept saying several times over on banks and what she did. There was a kind of slightly anti-corporate note to the speech. It was a very, it was a progressive democratic speech in standing up for the little guy.
There was not much outreach to Trump voters. I think Tim Walls did some of that just by nature of his persona, outreach to less educated white men, which is her vulnerability, living in rural areas. There was not much outreach to them. It was very much a kind of status view of what the state can do for people in a progressive context of protecting people
and fighting for people. I think it was delivered really well. I've always been, I've never been a big fan of Kamala Harris' speech delivery and I think that's where I'm saying she's got a lot better as a politician. But I think there are things in the speech that absolutely
the Republicans will go after. I think she answered the immigration question. I think they're arguing about immigration is not a bad one and she hit that one that we proposed this immigration bill and we had it there and it was proposed by a conservative Republican and it was Donald Trump who asked them not to sign it. So I think that she did pretty well. It was a 40 minute speech and eight minutes of it by my judgment was on her childhood
biography. We were still in high school, eight minutes into a 40 minute speech, which made me think that they are looking at poll numbers saying Americans don't really know who she is and maybe don't feel that comfortable with her because they don't know her biography. So she was very much trying to paint herself in the context, although she comes from this kind of exotic American background. I mean like many Americans are, right? She has an
Indian mother who was going to go back. I didn't know that. Her mother was due to go back to India for an arranged marriage. That's not the experience of most Americans, but she was trying to put herself in the context of middle class America. Okay, so I got a couple of things I want to get your reaction to. So I'm, you're a television person. I'm not a television person. I just play a television person on TV, but I want
to know I'm well. I want to step back for a second and go over programming because I thought the programming tonight was pitch perfect. When I read the itinerary and I read the message that they were trying to deliver, I thought it was pitch perfect, right? They were trying to present somebody that could unify the country. Kissinger, I thought a speech was gold. I thought Leon Pineda speech was gold. The governor from North Carolina, Roy
Cooper. Short and sweet. And that was good. Sort of win, Caddy. He wants sort of win. You can feel it coming through the television. And so if you're a television producer, like, what am I going to do tonight? I want to introduce this woman that many Americans don't know. Many people around the world don't know. Political aficionado is like you may know, but let's introduce her. And it was family. It was unity. It was, you know,
and I just said this on on X Trump is so divisive. Is he actually uniting us against him? Is he the American Putin? Just give me one second on this. Putin saw NATO so divided. Putin saw NATO crumbling. And his move into the Ukraine had the opposite effect. Is it a cracking NATO? Everybody got united. I'm just wondering if the great divider, Donald Trump, end up being the force that puts enough of us together that begins the healing process for the country.
So just two more quick things. He, she was fantastic tonight. I mean, not saying that with any hyperbole, I went to law school. First thing you learn in trial advocacy, you have to make the case for yourself and you have to make the case against the other side. And that was a trial advocacy, a plus. It was a dream. If that woman was in court presenting that case to the judge, it was, I'm a good person. I got raised right. I love, I love
my country. And oh, by the way, I love you. Okay. Now Americans have a tendency. Okay. They have a tendency. They can vote for somebody that they dislike. They gave Richard Nixon a landslide at 72. They voted him in 68. They didn't like him. But what they don't like, they don't like voting for people that dislike them. And that's where Trump is going to find trouble here because vice president Harris came out tonight and said, by the way, I
get our alliances. I know who we are in the world. It's an amazing country. Whatever racism anybody has faced in this country, my African American father, my Indian American mother, it doesn't matter. I have this undying love affair for the country. So anyway, that's what I saw. And I was blown away by it. And not only she meets the moment, but her whole life culminated in that speech. And I just have to see if she can win. If she can stay
on message, she's got to answer questions now. She's gone 32. It'll be 33 days shortly without a press conference. If the see if she can stay on message through this. So I want to turn it back to you and see what you, as the question you asked me, which is such a smart question about how as a strategist, if you were a Republican strategist, if you were on the Trump campaign, how would you attack that speech? But one other quick thing on
the speech and the delivery of it, I think what she did really well. And I mentioned her biography, which I actually I thought was very compelling the story of how she grew up. And she, and she was very warm about her mother and very warm about her family upbringing. But she did what they always tell you to do. Hollywood writers are always saying this that
you must show not tell. And in a way, she, by showing her biography, by talking about who she was and who she was raised to be, she was almost saying, this is me and this is my values. This is where I come from. I don't need to lay them out for you. I don't need to be heavy handed about it. I am somebody that grew up, you know, making gunpots Sunday evenings with my mom who kept pushing me to do better. There was never very much money,
but we didn't, you know, we didn't, we wanted for little. And I think she was almost saying that's who I am. I am, I am you and I have always represented you. And I think that was, that show not tell element of the speech was very effective. There was, there were some good lines in the speech that line she had about my entire career. I've only had one client, the people. I thought that was a very good line. There was a sweet line about family where
she was talking about, this is such an American experience. I had this with my kids, you know, the woman downstairs who looked after me after school because my mother was working who treat who was a second mother to me. You know, the, the people who helped, or she name checked all of the people who were close to her, who had helped raise her. And she
had this lovely line about they weren't family by blood. They were family by love. And so there were these, you know, it was a, it was a warm human speech as well as taking the case to Donald Trump and then making the case for herself on foreign policy issues. And I know that they've looked at some of the polling that suggests that Donald Trump scores better on strength and effectiveness. And she scores better on energy and focus.
And I think that there was quite a lot during the course of this whole convention, quite a lot in this speech in particular about, I'm a fighter. And I have the toughness on national security. I have those chops that can make you see me as somebody who is strong. But, but how would you go about it if you were still advising the Trump campaign? What, what are the things you would go after in this speech? So, so the, so he's in the, he's got the
Trump heat shield down right now. He's not taking any advice from anybody. He had to be told sometime this evening that you're getting creamed in Georgia. How did he told that because I saw that at 8.48 pm, he's launching into Brian camp. Thank you so much. We never
apologized to Brian. The governor of Georgia who he had laid into just a week ago, which is the most stupid thing to do because the governor of Georgia is incredibly popular in Georgia and is a Republican who Donald Trump feels is, you know, going to get betrayed him. It's unbelievable. So, never apologize. It's like that. Never says that. I'm a top-eller. One of the most popular governors in the United States. It's certainly a very
popular Republican governor with a great future. He eviscerates this man two weeks ago. And I have good sources that tell me him and his wife have smoke coming out of their ears. Now he did put up on Twitter. I'm supporting you and so forth. But I don't think you can do that to somebody and their wife and their family and then really support you. Maybe they could support you through political expediency. But he is dropping like a fallai. Also,
Jeff Duncan do not underestimate the speech that he gave. He was a lieutenant governor of Georgia. He worked with Brian camp. He went after Trump last night for a solid seven minutes. It was a brilliant speech. Fellow Republican, you're terrible. Here are the reasons why I'm doing the right thing for my country to tell people the danger of you. And so his numbers are falling like a stone in Georgia. And so he's not, he would never listen.
Okay, I would tell you what I would do. Okay, there are people in the chat. They're going to be mad at me. But I think we have to be very balanced. Yeah. This is what they're going to try. It's okay. People need to know what he would need to do is he would need to go to the left on a few big issues. What he would need to do is what he's really good at because he's so transactional. Remember, he was against Bitcoin. Now he's for it. All the Bitcoiners
are with him. He needs to do a Nick Sony in moment on something like parenting and something like IVF and abortion. Okay. He may lose some of the conservatives on that, which is why he's fearful because of that whole low ceiling sort of thing. But he has to do something. He's in a panic. You and I are speaking right now at 1134 PM Eastern time. He's on the
phone calling into Fox News. And he's probably in his underwear. And I want to make you throw up, but he's probably sitting there in these very big boxers, you know, looking like an open spam can. Okay, talking to the Fox News person with high levels of. I'm hoping to sleep tonight. I'm just telling you what he's doing, right? And he's doing it because he is flipped out by that speech. He's got great political instincts.
And now he's telling all of his staff, go blank yourself. It's my campaign. I'm going to do everything exactly the way I want. You asked me something. You said, it's Trump watching the convention. And I said, no, immediately my knee, knee jerk reaction was no. And then I called a few people and they said, what do you crazy? Of course, he's, he's hate watching the convention. Tonight he was hate tweeting. And you could feel the sweat
on his fingers. He was tweeting every four minutes of her speech, all caps, all crazy, totally insanity. I would ask independence who listened to us, go to truth social or go to Twitter where they post up his tweets, read them and ask yourself if you want somebody that should be in an insane asylum running the United States of America. So, so he's flipped out right now. And but again, you can't under estimate it.
No, you can still we've said this. Both of us in the last couple of weeks, the nature of the electoral college and that it's a tight race. Well, you guys at the party market has them up seven. They were tied coming into the convention. But, but I mean, I tell you something. And there's still a debate to get through and who knows, you know, things can happen, right? Things can happen. And she needs to keep one of the things I was wondering
about this week. And tonight in particular is whether she has laid the groundwork for being a kind of movement candidate. And I know that's something that the Trump campaign is concerned about. And they're worried that if she is that kind of transformational figure as Barack Obama was in 2008, then there's almost nothing that they can do to kind of stop the train. Do you think what you heard tonight is? That's it. You just you just crystallized it. In my mind, you just crystallized what I
actually think is now going to happen. She is the candidate for the moment. Okay. Are we going to 1947 before professional black athletes who are allowed to play in professional sports? Or were we in 2024? Were we broken all color barriers in the United States? And we're now colorless and we're desperate to unify. What direction are we going to go in as a country? And I think more people in this country are about love and unity and
they are about hate or division. And he's got holes in his story, Catted. He may or may not have a hole on the sea fire with Netanyahu, but he's got a big hole in his story when it relates to the border. You can't tell me that we're trying to fix the border and Joe Biden seeds to every single conservative totem in the legislation and you're calling
your buddy saying don't do it. I need to make the border a case for the election. And with Joe Biden out of it now, this prosecutor, if she holds herself the way she held herself to night with that calm, okay, she'll destroy him. Okay. He won't be able to handle her. He was he was set up for I'm 78. I'm going to go after the 81 year old guy that's having a hard time stuttering. He can't put his sentences together, but he was not he's not set
up to go for what the country has become. And she represents what the country has become and what the country is becoming. And so she is the person of the moment. And I'm going to tell you something. I'm going to make this prediction on our podcast. She is listening. She is very well coached. That speech was fabricated by a lot of different people, not just her. And they said, get off that stage. And half of the time that Donald Trump was
on the stage for he spoke for 93 minutes. You get yourself off the stage earlier than that. Yeah. Anyway, I was I was I was impressed. If you remember the night that Joe Biden was in the debate, I had put my suit on because I was going to awake. I thought we had a funeral going on. Okay. I'm like, okay, I'm like, I'm ready for the high news right now on that one. I was expecting for people who don't know what was happening there in the audience
and might have been watching all the women who were in the white. And actually I was in the crowd. There were quite a lot of men wearing white too, which has now become a thing that you wear white for women's suffrage in in in commemoration of women getting the right to vote in the United States. And there were a lot of women wearing right. We were
all wondering beforehand whether Kamala Harris would come out and wear white. I thought it was kind of cool that she didn't because she sort of you know, she was the presidential candidate up on the stage. I was I thought her lines just to go back to a couple of moments in the speech that I think were very effective for her. The segment on Israel and Gaza, I thought she handled very well. This has been so I've been cycling through getting backwards
and forwards. I've found discovered the best way to get in an out of convention site is by e-bikes. Thank you very much to the city of Chicago for providing all of these e-bikes. It's been great and you avoid the cues and you avoid the traffic. But every time I go there's been a I would say a few hundred protesters pro-Palestinian protesters in a park near United Center. But she she with equal measure managed to talk with compassion and humanity
and strength about both sides. And I thought this is this is a hornet's nest in American politics at the moment. But the way she addressed that by very firmly saying I am strong on Israel. I am committed to Israel's right to defend itself and to protect itself. And I will always help them do that. And then pivoted and said, but what's happening in Gaza is devastating and it's heartbreaking and the repeated bombings are heartbreaking over
and over again. The Palestinian people have to be able to realize their right to dignity and self-determination and security. And she said both of those with equal amounts of conviction and passion. And I think that goes a long way to addressing something that could be a liability for her. And I thought it was it was bold the way she did it was was well written segment but more than being a well written segment of the speech. She
she delivered it with strength. And I think actually that whole national security segment which says where she then pivoted to Iran and said I'm never going to cozy up to dictators like Kim Jong Un. I think that she she needed to do some of that because she there's been very little foreign policy during the course of this convention. But I think it helps project this image of somebody who has has experience has governing experience as vice president
has been to these places and spoken at the Munich Security Conference for example. So I think that kind of helped to that helped burnish her foreign policy credentials as well to the extent that foreign policy is going to be an issue in this campaign. But it gave her that strength right again. It kind of projected strength the way that she said
it. Well, let's say I agree with all those points. I want you to think about something and I'm going to ask you to react to it if you don't mind because I didn't go to these conventions this year but I was at the 2016 conventions. I was at the Trump convention in Cleveland and I was at the we were probably on you know other sides of the yeah you may have been there as well. I was there in Pennsylvania in Philadelphia and what I saw was a
new candidate. This was a man that was a business leader. He won the nomination. He slayed a lot of very successful politicians. There was a grudge match with him and Ted Cruz at the convention. But he was their nominee and he was a newbie on the block. And what I also saw was that a very large group of Republican politicians underestimated him and did were not prepared for him. And then I went over to the sea of the Hillary Clinton convention
and it was well orchestrated. They they always get better. So the Democrats ladies and gentlemen they have way better parties than the Republicans. They go all the stars show up and they can use any music they want. They never get in a lawsuit with anybody. Be also says I say no no problem deal young you want to play my song no problem born in the USA love you. Go for it. Yeah. Big C chicks chicks chicks whatever it is doesn't matter. Okay. Not a ton
of alcohol flowing but a lot of music. Right the Republicans get kid rocked the poor guy right but but but what what I saw in in 2016 was Democrats strategist and candidates and secretary Clinton not taking Trump seriously enough they were wholly underestimating him and all the Republican nominees wholly underestimated him. What I'm seeing tonight and what I've seen over the last four days is we accept Donald Trump as a political force we accept Donald Trump and some people
going to throw up in this chat as a political giant. Now he may be a malevolent giant and he may want to steer our country towards a dictatorship but that's what he is and a result of which we are now taking him seriously and that speech reflected that. Yeah. And I'm going to tell you what if when I get a hold of her campaign schedule I'm going to compare it to secretary Clinton's campaign schedule and I will imagine that it's going to be 4x robust in terms of the volume and where her
and governor walls are going to be traveling in the country. So so eight years later he's a tough SOB as a politician and we are here to take him very seriously. Yeah they've certainly learned. I mean she's learned a lot I think from the experience of 2016 they've learned to take Trump seriously. I think and it was very interesting she didn't really talk about being a first tonight in that speech. She didn't talk about being a woman. She didn't talk about being black and
Indian American, South Asian American. It what she didn't again it was the show not tell right she knows that that is already out there and I think because Hillary Clinton went through that experience and it was a pretty bruising experience being the first woman to run for president. I do think this time around just by nature the fact that it's been done before some people will find it a
little easier the idea of voting for a woman president. I listened today I went back and I listened to JFK's 1960 convention speech which actually was short it was only 20 minutes but out of that 20 minutes he spent the first seven minutes talking about being Catholic and trying to reassure the American public that he would not be compromised and that he could be president for all he wasn't
going to be affected by special interests. I mean it was remarkable the degree to which he felt he had to talk about his faith and defend his face and justify his faith and then I thought how interesting that we've come now what is it 64 years later there is Kamala Harris standing up there
as a woman as a woman of color and she doesn't mention it she doesn't mention the fact that as a woman she's still going to in the way that you know Barack Obama made a point in 2008 of always saying he was going to be president for all Americans and he almost overcompensated for his race and
or felt he had to overcompensate for his race that when he did talk about it was to talk about I'm going to be president for all Americans she didn't even really need to address it I thought it was interesting there she is this this historic figure I mean if she is elected it will be extraordinary
for America and yet it was almost like oh yeah it was kind of not it was almost a non-issue in the context of this convention yes women in the crowd incredibly excited black people South Asian Americans incredibly excited about the prospect of her getting elected but it's not being talked
about very much as an electoral issue now maybe that's just the context of Chicago and the democratic convention and we'll see and I'm sure it's going to be raised online I know there's always already a whole load of misinformation and there'll be a lot of attacks against her uh Barack Obama had
more attacks against him online you know threats against him as president and I think almost any other president in modern times and I'm sure she's going to face the same thing but it just wasn't an issue that she raised in the context of her speech and comparing that to JFK JFK speech also
by the way it was pretty doer and it's going to be like this is going to be a struggle it's going to be really hard it was very austere and quite a grave exception speech for that it was a tough time it was the Cold War and it was a new and that idea as well of a new era and she is also saying this
is a tough time our democracy is on the line but she's saying it with this big smile well you know listen that that was a very tough race and Obama had a defend being black by the way you remember you had to give that speech after Reverend Wright Kennedy went to Houston had to defend
himself and said he wasn't going to take orders from the pope even though us Catholics are supposedly supposed to take orders from the pope he had to say he wasn't going to do that I I saw something that I would like you to react to and this is sort of like a subtle thing
she it was very important for her and again the way she dressed meant something okay the way she was styled the way she was made up but it was very important for her to look like a commander in chief and you know we haven't seen a woman as a commander in chief in the United States now the
UK has obviously seen two women be prime minister and there's been great women leaders around the world but but what I saw was okay we're producing this and we're producing you to look like a commander in chief and here are the three sentences that are commander in chief like
he attacked our allies the former commander in chief allowed him to or he insisted that he begged him to do whatever he wanted attack our allies number two I'm sticking with NATO I'm sticking with our friends number three I recognize both sides of the issue with Israel and Gaza and we've got to
get a resolution that that is peaceful and and I just say this in a ethereal sort of way if you were just watching it and you're not abundant you're not somebody over analyzing it like you and me you're like yeah that woman is a commander in chief and I think they accomplished that tonight
yeah no I think she did I think by by having that strong section on foreign policy and I was I was almost surprised that it was there because there's been so little mention of national security but I think it was very helpful to her that she did it and she does it is an area where she's going
to have to tackle that the idea of a woman we haven't had one so the idea of a woman being commander in chief she's going to have to interrupt your friends I can I'm sorry there were three women I think Liz Truss lasted 4.1 scaramucci and so I I said two women forgot I got I forgot my
favorite prime minister yes Truss and apparently you know Cameron told me is there a club now for people that don't last terribly long in office is that I do you you call each other up I mean I should have your knowledge I think she beat the cabbage but you share a therapist or something is
that kind of you know something that you I just have the correct myself so at least you know I'm a self-correcting pundit right I I got that wrong but yes Liz Truss lasted 4.1 scaramucci's okay so let's coming out of this convention do you think I I never sort of really think the conventions
move the needle very much I bumped into Senator Michael Bennett in the street today the democratic senator from Colorado and he kind of said the same thing that conventions really don't change votes very much they don't change people's minds all that much although he did say that he felt
the the amount of energy on this one if they can kind of push it forwards they because it's such a short election campaign basically that maybe this time will be different and that they can use the energy from this to kind of catapult them into the next couple of months he also said
that he thinks that they're going to take back the house and potentially even the Senate and if they won the White House as well of course that would be a trifecta but he's he was being cautious I mean he was saying that's you know that's the dream scenario but do you think there will be
voters out there who are either in kind of indifferent or wavering between the two parties who will come out of tonight's speech and this convention and say okay you know what actually I think I'm going to go with Kamala Harris and if they say that Anthony why will it be what will it be
about what she's said that has managed to persuade them and who will those people be what kinds of people might she have reached with this speech so I think that's a central question and so I was in the great state of Wyoming this week we had a conference there amazingly beautiful state
the most conservative state in the country got a very good state by taking a majority than any other I have to protect the innocent but you'd have to assume I talked to most of the elected leaders in that state and former elected leaders I'll let you surmise who those people are and they really
don't like Trump because what Adam Kissinger said tonight is how that state generally feels he hijacked conservatism he suffocated the Republican Party he's got this wackadoodle thing called Trumpism which no one really can fully understand it is very very dangerous it has a nationalistic
bent which is why you're getting a lot of people that like it okay there's there's there's nativism in the country and there's nationalist and isolationist but but but what I believe and I could be wrong about this because you're asking this amazing question how does she get that
undecided voter the booth closes you go to check the box or like can the person handle the job yes do I want to return to the craziness of Donald Trump or I've got to see the craziness every day no is the economy okay is the world generally going in a better direction post-COVID yes click
I'm for Gamma Harris let me open the curtain and and I and I but but up against that is a Bradley effect with white males and if I could be critical of the Democratic convention for a moment because you saw it on the floor and I watched all four days of it from the TV it wasn't a
white convention okay so I don't know if I just canceled us as a group I have no idea but it wasn't it was and that's fine it looked like America frankly a democratic conventions always look more like America they do they do they look like America they're always a lot more than there are 38
or 40% of the voting electorate are white males and so they're you you'd have to say to yourself were they alienated were independent white males slightly alienated you can't please everybody but I'm just asking do you think that because if you think that that's the other side of it
hey who's up there representing me let me close the curtain and you know I'm gonna go with the open spam can't you see what I'm saying so so what do you think of that could that be a problem for I said that I think at the beginning that when you asked me if I was gonna critique this speech is
that there was not much outreach to Donald Trump's voting base which at the moment is less educated white men white men generally but in particular white men without a college degree and I don't think she made much effort to reach out to those voters now Tim Walls by nature of
who he is the football coach the fact that she calls him coach Waltz is smart I would keep with that that's helpful that reaches out in that direction there was not a lot of talk about God and faith she didn't mention God or faith which in is unusual in the context obviously of American
presidential politics but again is a way of it's a signal to white male voters to white rural voters to talk about faith and God and that was something she chose not to talk about so I would get governor Waltz out there I would put him in those positions he relates to those people incredibly
well and I think he would you know also send a message to those people they're just saying if I'm her I'm bringing him out governor Waltz out there he's very relatable and I think the message is we're gonna look like the country and you're gonna get the best and brightest of everybody
and for these people that keep saying DEI DEI it's a bunch of malarkey to use a book Joe Biden term because diversity means that you're gonna get the best and brightest irrespective of what they look like or what their sexual orientations are you've widened the talent pool and I think that's
the message that these keep people have to have her home in the next 74 75 days and every single stage that she's made it to you know that making it to district to attorney general or prosecutor or vice president doing so as a woman and doing so as a woman of color was probably she had to be
10 times better and 10 times smarter and 10 times harder working than most white men would have been there's a good question here that's coming for us um Steve asked if Kamala wins and Stama winning in the UK and with Stama winning in the UK are we seeing the end of populism yeah
I would I would actually add something to that look at what happened in France a few months back and so I would like to think that I would like to think that because I would tell you that the Brexit was a precursor for the Trump election you know saw that Brexit in June of 2016 we're like okay
there's a shot here that he's gonna win and now that you see the storm or election you see that the upset if you want to call it an upset in France with my crown maybe that's it's yeah I think something happened though I think if we're writing about it 50 years of now the air came out of
the Trump balloon it's almost like this okay and it's a terrible metaphor but just stay with me Kamala Harris is Dorothy with the bucket and she threw the bucket on the wicked witch of Donald Trump and he is now melting and as he's starting to melt the soldiers behind the witch turned to
Dorothy say geez I'm sorry Dorothy I'm sorry that we got caught up with this you remember that scene most people have seen the movie and I think the air is coming out of him and I think he feels the air coming out of him because if he didn't if he wasn't panninging right now because I know the
SOB he went a bit on Fox tonight news max he wouldn't be going on those those places and again I have to mention this one thing I don't know how well you know the central park five is that something that you're familiar with so maybe there's a brutal raping that took place in central park
in 1989 there was a jogger she was hit assaulted and raped god forbid and they found five African-American men New York City residents that they accused of this they didn't they said that they didn't do it they accused of it Trump took out an eighty five thousand dollar ad
and it was an excoration we could probably put a link up to the ad it was an excoration of them and it was the judge jury the trial the conviction and sentencing they should all go to jail and they did they did go to jail but they were they were exonerated somebody else actually did it they felt
very coerced in the police station to confess to the crimes and it was a lot of egg on Trump's face and you know he he then you know and so people know he went to jesse jesse jaxson to Reverend Sharpton and he actually helped them get the Martin Luther King junior birthday a federal holiday
they all went to the new york stock exchange is that hey you get you got the stock exchange open on a fellow holiday you have to close the exchange why is all this important they showed the central park five tonight on two networks in the united states maybe the bbc held i don't know but it was
ms nbc and cnn and they went up there and they explained what Donald Trump did to them and with Donald Trump did to their lives and all the racism embedded in it and it was not shown on fox news and just for uh uh the rest of politics us people fox news has the ratings you could take ms mbc and
cnn and they don't quite even get to the ratings of fox news and it was a decision it was an editorial decision not to show them give that speech and so america gets its news caddy in micro bites from um editorial decision makers that are feeding the confirmed biases of the people that are watching
i just wonder if they had showed that on fox news and i would tell the aris team get an ad put it up on fox news because you know fox is a whore media whore like everybody else buy an ad of those men speaking on fox
so that people who watch fox okay you know i mean a lot of people that watch fox are like buying catheters and walkers from the commercial interrupt interruptions but show that ad to them but them see what Donald Trump did to these people yeah i think the other the video production by the way and we're gonna wrap it up in a second but the video production uh was pretty good they they hired the guy james goldstone who used to be president of abc news who orchestrated all of the production
for the january the sixth committee and he put out a couple of very good videos um for this convention there was an incredibly powerful one yesterday on january the sixth and i remember watching that yesterday and thinking wow they should take this video and just play that around the country as much
as they can it was uh because people have forgotten i i was on air the whole time anchoring during january the sixth but you kind of forget and i think having very well produced and and reminding us of exactly what happened well that's my birthday january six how about the irony of that
i'm not about the irony of that that was not a happy day it was it was it's not a happy day for america yeah this is now trump insurrection day but for the first fifty seven years of my life it was my birthday but i mean like it is what it is i mean that's Donald trump he's been with us now for nine
years and the real question is are we about to extinguish trumpism and the answer for the democrats is yes if you can get hurt at the middle if you can drop nonsensical taxation policy if you can get her to the middle on energy because we need energy in this country to grow the middle class
get her to the middle okay if you can do that you will extinguish trumpism okay it's a it's a late night here in Chicago it's a later night on the east coast we're gonna wrap this up there is somebody very sweetly in the chat asking if i'm getting up for morning jo at six o'clock in the morning i'm
not because i'm gonna be jumping on a plane to take my youngest daughter off to college this weekend which means i'll basically be crying all weekend um there you go i'm sure that'll be i'm gonna embarrass her the whole weekend so i'm gonna go and do that thanks so much for tuning in for this it's been great to be here in Chicago and nia and i will be back with you next friday for more politics thanks so much for watching the rest is politics us