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¶ Introducing The Wilhelmus Anthem
Hello everybody, so that all-time banger was Het Wilhelm. the national anthem of Holland, or as it should be called, the Kingdom of the Netherlands. And if you enjoyed it, if you're a big fan of the uh of the Orange National team, I have tremendous news for you because there are another
Fourteen verses. Now, Tom, obviously this is an anthem close to your heart because of your nominative determinism. We've done three anthems so far. We've done the United States, we have done Great Britain, and we have done Germany. Very well known, I think, all these three. If you're Dutch This will be well known too if you're not Dutch, probably much less well known, but there is a case, isn't there, that of all the world's national anthems, even though this was only adopted in nineteen ninety.
Two, this has the deepest. the longest, the richest history.
Yeah, because it has actually been the great anthem of Dutch patriotism for four and a half centuries, so long, long before it became enshrined as the Dutch national anthem. Uh and I will quote from the official website of the Royal House of the Netherlands. Which um has a very convenient English translation. The melody of the Vilhelmus originated during the siege of the French city of Chartres in fifteen sixty eight. So listeners may be wondering why Chartres, who composed it?
Uh and we will be coming to this later in the episode. And the website then goes on to say the first known reference to the lyrics dates from fifteen seventy two. Um and so there we have it, direct from the Dutch royal family. The Wilhelmus originated sometime between 1568 and 1572. So that is uh you know, compared say to God Save the King, that is very, very precise. And those dates, not coincidentally, constitute a key fulcrum point in one of history's absolutely top revolts, the Dutch revolt.
¶ Dutch Revolt: Foundational Conflict
So, um why is the Dutch Revolt one of history's absolutely top revolts? Well for I think for a number of reasons. Firstly, it is very seismic uh in terms of the geopolitics of Europe. It erupts in the fifteen sixties. And it precipitates what will ultimately become an eighty year war between the Dutch rebels um and the Spanish, who are the colonial power in the low countries.
Um, and this makes it one of the longest and most sustained independent struggles in the whole of European history. And it's an incredible kind of David and Goliath story because it begins with a ragbag assortment of pirates. taking on the professional armies of the greatest empire on the face of the earth at the time. And the consequences of um the success of those rebels are still with us today and imprinted on the map of Europe.
So the northern half of the low countries that were ruled by Spain in the sixteenth century, they won their independence from Spain. and today they constitute the kingdom of the Netherlands and to simplify massively, they're kind of the Protestant half. And the southern half, um, that remained under the rule of the Spanish Royal Dynasty, the Habsburgs, and today constitutes the kingdom of the Belgians. And again, to oversimplify, that's kind of vaguely the uh the Catholic half.
But the Dutch Revolt is not just a European event, is it? It's a world event. Because the Dutch Revolt is you can trace a lineage, and you know, there are Dutch and indeed American historians who have done this. You can trace the lineage right through from the Dutch Revolt of the 16th century, the English revolutions of the seventeenth century to the American.
American.
Revolution that is celebrating its two hundred and fiftieth anniversary this year.
Yeah. And the Founding Fathers certainly believed that. They looked to the Dutch Revolt as a great source of inspiration. You can see why, because it's a revolt that ends up replacing um an imperial monarchy with a kind of federal republic. Um and this federal republic it comes into existence in fifteen eighty eight.
Uh and it gives itself the name of the United Provinces of the Netherlands. So you can see why that story would have a resonance with Washington and um Hamilton and Jefferson and so on. I don't think it is an exaggeration. to see the state that emerges from this these rebellious provinces. It becomes the Dutch Republic.
¶ Modernity's Incubator: Dutch Republic
And over the course of the seventeenth century, I I think it constitutes one of the great incubators of modernity. So it it's the birthplace of modern capitalism. You get you know, it it gives us stock exchanges and deposit banking and futures and options and all these kind of various financial gizmos. I don't really know what they mean.
I was gonna say we should actually explain about futures and options and how they work.
Let's leave that for the rest of his money. Okay.
Fat.
I mean certainly it helps the Dutch to become of of the Republic to become incredibly rich. So considering how small they are relative to the other you know, to China or India or whatever, I mean, it ends up controlling an insanely large percentage of the total uh volume of global trade. And the the Dutch Republic is per capita by far the richest state on the face of the planet in the seventeenth century. Um, it's also very modern in the way that it kind of gives birth to
kind of
of traditions of religious toleration that are underground. They're not official, but they're definitely there, and those traditions in turn give birth to um kind of religious scepticism, which in turn kind of flourishes in the form of the Enlightenment.
Um, it's a very urbanized society. So sixty percent of the population in Holland live in cities. I mean, that's an enormous amount for the for the period. And it's a culture, um, and again, this is appealing, I think, to the American revolutionaries. It's a culture that isn't aristocratic but very bourgeois. And if you think of the great masterpieces of the Dutch Golden Age, say Vermia, um, it's very interior, it's very domestic, it's very comfortable, it's very ordered.
So this the Dutch Republic, the the the Republic of Vermeer and Rembrandt and the beautiful canals of Amsterdam and all of that, this is the state that emerges from the Dutch revolt.
¶ William: The Loyal Rebel's Paradox
And the man who is most associated with the Dutch Revolt is George Washington, you might say, although this man I think has his own teeth and doesn't walk around with other people's teeth in his mouth. uh the sort of the independence hero. He is the man and the centre of this song, isn't he? This in the song he is the the uh I'm tempted to say the Darth Vader, but it's actually the Vada Des Vadalands.
Uh, the father of the fatherland. So he is the the fo I mean he is the founding father, no other way of putting it. And Tom, I I know your Dutch is second to none, so would you like to translate th that first verse for us?
This is, I have to confess, taken from the uh Dutch Royal Family's website again. Um, and uh the the the words that we heard um at the start of this show translated are William of Nassau, skion of a Dutch and ancient line, I dedicate undying faith to this land of mine. A prince I am, undaunted, of orange, ever free, To the King of Spain, I've granted
Yeah.
a lifelong loyalty. And people listening to that, if they're not familiar with the Wilhelmers, I mean they may well have listened to those last two lines and kind of gone, what?
No. That's absolutely mad.
What is happening here? Because just to repeat that
It's
To the King of Spain I've granted a lifelong loyalty, and these must surely be the strangest lines to appear in any national anthem, I would think.
yeah definitely
What makes it odder is that the the guy who is supposedly speaking and who gives his name to the song, Villiam of uh Villem of Nassau. He is the great hero of the Dutch Revolt. He say this is the George Washington of Dutch independence. Um and he is the man who is leading the fight against the King of Spain. So it's as though the Americans had a national anthem and featured in its first verse, George Washington pledging allegiance to George the Third.
Well that some people may consider that an improvement, of course.
It's a lost opportunity, of course. Um, so what is going on here? Why is William, the great hero of the Dutch Resistance, pledging his loyalty to the King of Spain?
¶ The Low Countries' Diverse Landscape
And to answer that question, I think we need to look at two different aspects of this story for the background. And the first is the state of the Low Countries in the the mid sixteenth century when the revolt breaks out. And then secondly, the um the life and the character of the Prince of Orange, William of Nassau, um, this great hero of the of the Dutch Revolt.
So let's start with the Low Countries. So you said before uh the Low Countries cover what are now the Netherlands or Holland and Belgium. There's a little bit of northern France, isn't there? Just a little bit of Artois and Picardy.
Luxembourg as well.
And Luxembourg, I forgot Luxembourg. Oh that's sad. There are two main bits, aren't there, of the Low Countries to worry about. There's basically what becomes Belgium and then what becomes the sort of heartland of Holland. So talk us through these.
Back in the mid sixteenth century, this territory constitutes seventeen distinctive provinces and they're divided up, as you said, basically into two halves. And the southern heartland um is made up of A a province that we've been talking about in the First World War, so Flanders. Uh there's also Brabant to the north, uh that's where Antwerp is situated. Um and
In the sixteenth century this is home to very rich and sophisticated cities. So Antwerp is the greatest, you've also got Ghent, you've got Bruges. These are beautiful cities now that you go to on kind of weekend breaks. looking for a place to have a stagdo or something. But back then they were the beating heart of kind of capitalism as it is starting to emerge. And then to the north you have a a second heartland.
Um and these are constituted of the largest province is Holland. Uh you also have Zeeland, you have Utrecht. Um and Holland especially is a province that has kind of been redeemed from the seas and the bogs and the lakes. and it is crisscrossed by by rivers, by canals, by drainage channels, and all around it are dikes which keep the the sea at bay.
And an English writer in the seventeenth century described Holland as the great bog of Europe indeed it is the buttock of the world, full of veins and blood, but no bones in it. Um and the province of Zealand is even more kind of surrounded by water because it's an archipelago, so a series of islands set in a great estuary that is meeting the North Sea.
And on top of that, Holland and Zealand are cut off from the southern provinces by four great rivers, one of which is the Maas that we were talking about um in our episode on Germany. Um and these four rivers all meet in the same delta and they are surrounded by marshes. So in effect they constitute a kind of massive moat. So essentially they are more readily defensible perhaps than the than the southern provinces.
And these provinces have their own individual identities, their own system, they have their own institutions, right?
Right? Yes. Uh they have their own kind of legal frameworks, their own um fiscal arrangements. Um they often have charters reaching back centuries of which they're inordinately proud. And this is especially the case in Flanders and Brabant. Um the cities there tend to have their own kind of privileges which they guard very, very jealously. And in fact, across the whole of these seventeen provinces that constitute the Low Countries
There are um about seven hundred different legal codes in all. So it is very, very fragmented. Then you also have different languages. So you have French in the southern provinces. You have Dutch in the northern and central provinces. In Frisia, people are speaking Frisians, which is the language closest to English.
¶ Reformation, Calvinism, Shared Culture
Um, some people are speaking German as well. And then this is the mid sixteenth century, so it's the heyday of the Reformation, and so there are kind of religious tensions and differences as well. And Protestantism has spread like wildfire across all the seventeen provinces, and this unlike in England, where it's been um very much imposed by the Tudor monarchy, Henry the Eighth and Edward the Sixth and Elizabeth the First.
In the low countries, this is much more of a kind of top up. This is it's not it doesn't have official um sponsorship from the top. And the consequence of this is that there isn't anyone to impose any sense of control. So all these kind of various sects and factions is very, very wild west. Because although obviously they're happy to protest against Catholicism,
There isn't any sense of coherence. They all have kind of different views on what really matters. Now that said, by the middle of the sixteenth century, there is one particular brand of Protestantism which is starting to emerge as the dominant. Um, and this is what will become known as Calvinism, named after Jean Calvin. Um, John Calvin, um, this great reformer, and he has
kind of instituted this very disciplined, self governing kind of church structure. And so Calvinism, far more than the other sects, can provide Protestants with Yeah, a kind of sense of coherence really. A a a sense of structure that exists outside the structures of the organized state. So to quote Jonathan Israel, he's written the the definitive book on the history of of the Dutch Republic.
Those dismayed by the profusion of Reformations around them found the antidote for which they thirsted in Calvin, and so the character of the revolt as it emerges will be largely Calvinist.
You made the point about the fragmentation, the seven hundred different legal codes, different languages and so on. But there are definitely commonalities across the low countries, aren't there? I mean, more frankly you see them today when you visit in architecturally or culturally or whatever.
And that's the case even back in the sixteenth century. There there's more well, not more, but there are there are a lot of things that unite the people of these what become Belgium, Holland and Luxembourg.
And uh there are often kind of continuities with the Low Countries to this day, so they're famous for their beer, whether it's Amstel in the Netherlands or all those Trappist beers in Belgium.
Have a Belgian beer.
And um the average daily consumption back then was seen as being enormous even by English visitors. So they were they were stunned that adults were drinking three pints of beer a day. And I don't think this was just the weak beer. I mean this was kind of proper
proper alcoholic beer. And again, a bit like today, the women were famous for their kind of cleanliness. This is a theme that runs throughout the Dutch Republic and into the the present day. The Dutch are famously obsessed with cleanliness. Um, but also they were notorious for wearing mini skirts. Um, and in the sixteenth century this meant skirts that came down to the ankles. So very shocking.
Yeah, unbelievable.
So simultaneously cleanly but um with a little hint of
Licentious.
Licentiousness. The men are seen as being astoundingly tall, so many are over six foot. And again, you know, visitors find this astonishing. And it's just, you know, we said this is a very urbanized society. Visitors cannot believe how densely populated it is, though it's kind of ninety people per square mile. And effectively, the population of the Low Countries isn't that much smaller than England, which has a much, much kind of larger surface area.
the people are already packed in. That's why they're so clean. They're so cleanliness,'cause they're living so densely in cities. Yeah.
Um and on top of that, in fifteen forty eight, a kind of constitutional unity had been imposed on these seventeen provinces, kind of overriding all the different charters and legal systems and things. and making them kind of a a a united Netherlands. And this had been the work of the great Habsburg Emperor Charles the Fifth, who also ruled as Charles the First of Spain, and as Charles the First of Spain, he had become king of Mexico.
And of Peru, thanks to the efforts of Cortez and Pizarro. So he is You know, he probably rules a larger empire, certainly a more global empire than anyone has done in history. I mean, he's um a a a very formidable figure. And the seventeen provinces had previously been part of the Holy Roman Empire, which Charles rules as emperor.
But they've been r granted by this kind of act of fifteen forty eight a kind of legal and constitutional independence from the empire. So they now kind of th effectively they stand alone as a separate unity. And to quote another great historian of the Dutch Revolt, Geoffrey Parker, um, he suggests that in normal circumstances this might have formed the basis for a permanent political unit.
And Parker suggests as parallels the unions that became Switzerland in the Middle Ages and Spain, which is emerging at exactly this period from, you know, the union of all the various um kingdoms within um Iberia.
¶ William's Fortune and Conversion
Yeah, that's such an interesting point. There here's the question. So well Switzerland proves that you could do it with different languages, that it's not impossible, and different uh institutions in Spain as well, of course. Why doesn't it happen in the low countries? I mean this takes us to the story That lies behind the anthem, doesn't it?
It does. And I think although the story is you know, unsurprisingly, very complicated and the reasons why the Dutch Revolt breaks out, you know, there are there there are there are many of them. I think you can frame it in much simpler terms as having been a showdown between the two men who were mentioned in that first verse of the Vilhelmus. And the first of these, of course, is William of Nassau, the prince who is supposedly narrating the action in the Vilhelmus. So who is he?
So he was born in fifteen thirty three, and he was the eldest son of the Count of Nassau in Germany, so that's why he's described as William of Nassau. And William's father is from the Rhineland, and the word that is translated as Dutch in that um account on the uh the the Dutch Royal Family website can also mean German. So it's Deutschen. Deutschen.
Yeah.
Yeah. So there's a sense in which William of Nassau is actually more German than he is Dutch. He's also a Lutheran, so he's been raised as a Protestant, the young William. Um and he is Although he's of noble blood, his family is unbelievably skint. They really have very few prospects, either financial or kind of um no f very few prospects of making cutting a dash on the stage of Europe.
But then in fifteen forty four there's this absolute bombshell and it's like something out of a kind of Charles Dickens novel or something. Suddenly William discovers that he has the most tremendous expectations because a very distant cousin of his, a guy who happens to be the Prince of Orange, which is um a a a a city in the distant um southernmost reaches of France.
dies childless in um a siege in France, and he leaves all his titles and estates to the young William. He doesn't have any closer relation. So at a stroke this young boy becomes fabulously rich and heir to estates and lands and all kinds of properties all over Europe. And the the key um uh property is um Orange, which is a princedom, it's sovereign, it's enclosed within France, but you know, it owes loyalty only to William.
So he is now William of Orange. Also huge chunks of the Low Countries, including about a quarter of Brabant, which includes Antwerp, so you know, incredibly wealthy area to have, and this becomes the effective heart of William's inheritance. And additionally, and I'll just read out the list of other properties that William has inherited, he has a claim to the vanished kingdom of Arles, again in France. Um, he has a dukedom in Apulia.
He has three Italian Principalities, so he's a prince four times over, in other words, sixteen countships, two margravates, two Viscountancies, fifty baronies, and some three hundred smaller estates.
God he's done well.
He really has.
But the price for this
¶ Habsburg Court, Seeds of Conflict
is that he has to give up his immortal soul. Is that right?
He has to give up his Lutheranism, he wrestles with it for about three seconds, and then he says, Fine, whatever. I will I'm very h I'll very happily become a Catholic.
He took that seriously.
And I think all his family kind of swing behind him and say, Yeah, this is the right decision. Right. I mean it's kind of like getting a massive scholarship to Hogwarts or something. Suddenly you are being transplanted to a completely different order of society in which opportunities are open to you up to you that you had never even imagined. Because William goes off to the court of Charles the Fifth in Brussels.
So the the the the place where Charles V is based when he's in the Low Countries. And Charles V thinks this young boy is tremendous. and grooms him to become one of the big players at the Habsburg Court. And by fifteen fifty five, when William is twenty two, he has become the most glamorous figure um in Charles's train. So he's charming, he's extravagant, he's been given um experience in war, he's experienced in politics. I mean he's the complete article. And that October of fifteen fifty five.
Charles V famously starts abdicating his very powers. and he's in Brussels to abdicate his lordship of the Low Countries in favour of his son Philip, who is going to go on to become Philip the Second of Spain, the man who sends the Spanish Armada against England. But at this point the elderly Charles the Fifth He's very lame by this point. He's got a stick, but with his other arm he le he he is leaning on the Prince of Orange as he goes up to the altar to offer his formal abdicate.
And the symbolism of this, presumably, is that uh he is their man. He is their man on the spot, their local collaborator. Um, because they've basically been training him as the Habsburg representative, I guess, in the low countries, haven't they?
He's going to serve kind of as their their deputy in the Low Countries. And the reason why that is important is that Charles the Fifth's son Philip is becoming the new Lord of the Netherlands in the ceremony. But shortly afterwards he is going to go to Spain and become Philip the Second of Spain. And Spain is a much larger, much more powerful conglomeration of territories than the Low Countries, and of course it also comes with all those brilliant possessions in the New World.
So there's no question that Philip is essentially going to base himself there, and of course he's going to build this famous palace, the Escorial, up in the mountains. And
essentially kind of end up squirrelled away there. So he needs people in the Low Countries to administer it for him. And he does rely on William to serve him as his lieutenant there. And the key legal formalisation of this comes in fifteen fifty nine when Philip appoints William as the governor or Stadholder of Holland, Zealand and Utrecht, so in other words, the core provinces in the north of the Low Countries.
I mean at this point you would say well all all is set fair, you know, they've got their placeman. There's absolutely no hint at this stage that William would ever want to step out of line. I mean, why would he?
He's in.
Things are good for him.
Well, and he's very loyal to the Habsburgs. Charles the Fifth has been, you know, very good to him. So w of course he w it would never cross his mind it would go against all his codes, all his loyalties.
But there are I think kind of two niggling problems which will over the course of the years become worse and worse. And the first of these is that there is a personality clash between Philip and William because Philip Philip is very I think he's an introvert, he's tongue tied, he's very intellectual, he's very studious, he's very devout, very devout Catholic.
And William is a massive extrovert. He's a lad. Everyone loves him. He loves the dance. He loves the frolic. All of that. So they're very, very different. I think there are also growing political tensions because as the years go by and Philip, who is, you know, he is the lord of the Low Countries, but he's never there.
it becomes clear that uh fundamentally he is a Spanish king. And so people in the low countries start to feel that they are subordinate to him in the manner of a colonial people, subject to a distant master or overlord.
¶ Philip's Policies, William the Silent
And resentment of the Spanish presence in the low countries starts to grow and grow. So Philip has appointed Spanish ministers to the Council of State, which is supposed to administer these provinces. Uh he's installed Spanish garrisons in the key cities. And he has licensed the Spanish Inquisition to start sniffing out heresy. And although William, of course, has become a Catholic by vo you know, uh as a requirement for becoming the the Prince of Orange, He's not a doctrinaire.
He doesn't have the zeal of a convert.
No, he doesn't. And he is worried about what the actions of the Inquisition might mean for kind of civic harmony in the l in the Low Countries. And his concerns are clarified for him by one episode in particular, which happens in the summer of fifteen fifty nine.
And William has been sent as a temporary hostage to the court of France. There's a kind of treaty negotiations going on, and so for a few months William has to stay there as the guest of Henry the Second, the King of France. And he's looked after very well. He is, as we've said, a massive extrovert. People really like him. They think he's great fun. And so he becomes great mates with Henry the Second. And Henry takes him out hunting in the woods of Chantilly. And while they're out hunting,
Henry lets slip a shocking secret to William on on the assumption, evidently, that William already knows about it. And Henry reveals to William that he, the King of France, and Philip II, the King of Spain. have become so terrified by the growth of Protestantism in Christendom that they have agreed a full scale policy of extermination against the Protestants, the heretics, as as Henry and Philip see them.
And their hope is that ultimately this policy of extermination will embrace um the entire Christian world, as Henry puts it. But the plan is to begin with the low countries. And William, when he's told this, is absolutely appalled. But he doesn't let slip the fact that it's come as complete news to him. You know, he he he keeps a poker face. And partly I think this is out of self preservation. He doesn't want
you know, news to reach Philip that uh that that that he disapproves of this policy. And I think it's also because Maybe William doesn't entirely trust what he's being told by Henry and he thinks it the best policy might be just to wait and see. Maybe it won't actually be an exterminatory policy. Maybe the French king's exaggerating. Um, you know, he doesn't want to to make a massive fuss if there isn't actually going to be a problem. And so he he keeps stumm about it.
The French king is exaggerating a bit though, isn't it? I mean he's you know, for the next few years when when you said you know, William keeps quiet, he does keep quiet. There is no genocidal campaign against Protestants in the low countries. There's there are campaigns, but they're not they're not as exterminatory as that conversation might suggest.
And I think that this is seen as a kind of crunch point for all kinds of people who've been anxious about Philip's policy sees it as repressive um and really is the kind of the the spark that lights the tinderbox of the Dutch revolt. But the thing is that during this whole period, William remains what he's always been, kind of very charming, sociable, fluent, and so on.
So very much not a taciturn man, you know, an extrovert, not an introvert, as we've said. But the time is coming and it will be triggered by this kind of great cycle of executions of Protestants um and suspected rebels that Philip licenses. when he will have to decide what he's going to do. Is he going to stay loyal to Philip and to the Habsburgs? Or is he going to take the side of people whom he has come to identify with and whom he is starting to see as directly oppressed?
And when he makes his decision, which is to side with the rebels, He makes clear that that his anxieties have been kind of germinating all this time and he has been keeping quiet about it. He's been hiding them. He's been you know, that is definitely not not something that he's been talking about. And so William of Orange will come to be remembered by the Dutch.
not for his kind of incredible fluency, not for his his master of the social arts, but for the opposite. And he will come to be known by the Dutch as Willem de Zweiger. William the silent And this is how he is known by history. And it's kind of fantastic that it is in the voice of William the Silent that the Dutch team will be singing the national anthem when they um meet Sweden this coming weekend.
Alright, so we will take a break and then after the break we will find out what happens to William the Silent and indeed the Dutch revolt. and how the anthem is born.
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¶ The Anthem's Biblical Symbolism
A shield and my reliance, O God thou ever wert, I'll trust until thy guidance, O leave me not ungird, That I may stay a pious servant of thine for I and drive the plagues that triath. and tyranny. So that is the sixth verse, the sixth of what was it, three hundred and twenty four verses? Fifteen in total. Uh the sixth verse of the Wilhelmus, the Dutch national anthem. And that is from the Royal House of the Netherlands's own website, the English translation. So fifteen verses.
The first letters of these 15 verses form an acrostic, don't they? And they spell the name Willem van Nassov, William of Nassau, William of Orange, William the Silent. And interestingly, when they're singing the anthem before matches, the Dutch team, they sing the first verse and the sixth verse. So it's mad that they actually sing that verse where they pledge allegiance to the
Right.
But what happens when they twenty ten at the World Cup final, when they played Spain and disgraced themselves?
Yeah, we'll see. Well the Spanish don't have any words at all. So No they don't.
They must have find it nice for people to to sing about them. I mean what you know, the twenty twenty World Cup final when the Dutch played the Spanish and the Dutch actually disgraced themselves in that final, but it must have been nice for the Spanish to have a little mention there in the anthem.
Yeah, of that king.
Yeah, exactly. So why do they pair those two? So strange.
That sixth verse is um full of biblical resonance, Dominic. Um so it's a kind of reminder That William had faced utter ruin but had lived to tell the tale because God is his shield and his reliance. And I think specifically, and this is made clear a couple of verses on from the sixth verse. He's been compared to King David, who's the biblical hero, um, who'd become the favourite of Saul, who was Israel's first king, by killing Goliath with his his sling.
as a shepherd boy, and David grows up and then Saul becomes very jealous of David, hunts David and tries to kill him, but David had survived and ultimately prevailed. So I think William is being cast as David, and Philip II is being cast as kind of Saul, his former royal master, who's turned against him. Because, of course. Philip had appointed William as Stadholder of Holland and Zeeland, had assumed that he could be relied on as a loyal servant of the Habsburg House.
Uh but as we were saying in the first half, all this time, William had been tracking Philip the Second's potentially exterminatory policies against the Protestants with a kind of growing sense of horror.
¶ William's Open Rebellion and Exile
And the time comes where he can no longer keep silent and will in the silent, you know, speaks out against uh against the exactions of the of the Spanish. And specifically he chooses to speak out in fifteen sixty seven, which is the year when Philip sends an army of ten thousand battle hardened soldiers to the low countries. And its mandate is essentially to terrorise the heretics, the Protestants.
into submission and ultimately into oblivion. And as we said in the first half, thousands are executed and among the the people who are put to death are William's closest allies among the Dutch nobility. And had William remained in the Low Countries, he would have been put to death as well. But he has sensed the wit the way the wind is blowing.
He's starting to think, actually all this stuff about exterminatory policy, it is actually true. And so he had retreated beyond Philip's re reach into his kind of German land. So he'd gone to the provinces beyond the frontier with with the empire. And while he's absent so effectively in exile.
His properties in the Low Country are confiscated. So all those lands in Brabant, for instance. His eldest son is seized as a hostage and is taken to Spain and you know, he won't won't come back to the Low Countries for decades and decades. And William himself is declared an outlaw. And the obvious choice at this point for William would have been to negotiate and to reach terms and to kind of essentially submit to Philip's demands. But
He is like David in the Bible. He refuses to give up. And so he mortgages all his properties. He takes out massive loans and he funnels all the cash that he's raised into the cause of the resistance. And he spends on two particular kind of modes of resistance. And the first of these are privateers. So essentially pirates who are operating supposedly on behalf of whatever it is, this kind of rebellious proto Dutch state.
Um and there's a brilliant description of these pirates by C. V. Wedgewood. You know, you wrote that kind of wonderful trilogy on the English Civil War. So nineteen fifties I think she wrote this. It has that kind of nineteen fifties feel. So she wrote she described these pirates as weather beaten ex merchantmen with second hand cannon nailed to splitting decks, and patched sails bellying in the wind, manned by ruffians and patriots,
Dutchman and French and English, the riff raff of twenty ports and three nations, and fluttering at their mastheads the orange trickler with the lion of Nassau.
And they're the sea beggars, aren't they? And that's an insult from the sp it's the classic a classic example of someone insults you and then you co opt it, you appropriate the insult. as a badge of pride. Um the sea beggars and what they are are basically ultra Protestant pirates.
Yeah. Calvinist pirates.
But just on the the Protestantism, William the Silence is still a Catholic, is he?
Yeah. And the revolt isn't just Protestants. There are still at this point lots of Catholics. But we don't want to go too far into that.
This is a national rising ro rather than a religious rising.
It's definitely Protestant heavy and it's taking place in the south as well as the north because there are lots of pr y Antwerp, for instance, is definitely majority Calvinist at this point. Um and we are going to be looking at the intricacies of what some of this in a forthcoming series on the Tudor Cold War when uh about the kind of the way in which England and Spain fight and the Low Countries will be one of the key battlefields.
But I mean just I think just to keep it kind of relatively clear at this point, I think it's easiest to think of the rebels as being Protestant. I mean they're not exclusively, but largely. But as we say, the the revolt spans the whole of the seventeen provinces.
¶ Military Setbacks, Personal Turmoil
And William, while these pirates are busy kind of roaming the seas in Yoho Hoing, he's been raising an army of mercenaries um in Germany and then he crosses the border, he invades And he moves into Brabant, which is his own, you know, the hi that's where all his lands are, where he's got his feudal holdings.
And his aim is to challenge the Spanish to battle. But the problem is the Spanish are far too experienced, far too smart, far too militarily savvy to uh fall into doing what William wants them to do. And so rather than meet his challenge, the Spanish hold to their positions and just wait for William to run out of money because they know that he only has a kind of finite supply.
And sure enough, you know, after a few weeks the money does run out and all his mercenaries say, Well, we're not hanging around and they melt away and William has no choice but to retreat. And from that point on, things just go from from bad to worst for William because He keeps mortgaging more and more of his properties, he keeps launching or sponsoring invasions, and they keep being defeated.
And also on the domestic front, things have gone very badly wrong for William'cause he's got a new wife uh and this is um the daughter of the Elector of Saxony. So I think it's an attempt by William to try and build relations with the Lutheran princes to the east. Um and she's called Anna.
And
She spends her whole time kind of cheating on him, getting drunk. accusing him of trying to poison her um and see C V Wedgewood, who is a woman, she has this tremendous description of Anna of Saxony, her own worst enemy, she advertised her follies as a woman and her failure as a wife everywhere. It's really harsh.
Crucially he's running I mean the one thing he needs more than anything is money.
And he's running out, isn't he? Yeah, I don't think that helps with Anna.
I mean you mentioned this is the the Spanish strategy. So by by what fifteen seventy-two, he's down to his very last coppers. The coffers are bare basically.
Yeah, and the Spanish have managed to take back all the kind of rebellious towns and cities um across the the the low countries. So in footballing terms, they're kind of ten nil down, I guess, with
Okay.
Maybe three minutes to go. I mean they really look down and out. The only sign of life really uh in the revolt are the sea beggars who are still kind of up and down the uh the North Sea and into the English Channel where they have their bases because they're Protestants. Elizabeth I by this point is on the throne in England, she's Protestant And she's given them bases.
The problem is in fifteen seventy two, Elizabeth is being leaned on by the Spanish, and Elizabeth is inveterately cautious, and she thinks, Well, the revolt's probably over. You know, I don't want to burn my bridges with with the Spanish, you know, they're not doing any good. I'll chuck them out. And so she closes their their English bases to the the sea beggars. And they're now roaming the sea and they haven't really got anywhere to go. But then Dominic
¶ Miracle of Brill, Rebel Ascendancy
From the depths of despair a sudden incredible comeback.
It's like when Holland played Argentina in the last World Cup. Although they actually then went out on penalties, but that's by the by. It's an incredible comeback, but this is even more incredible.
This is a comeback that doesn't end in penalty tragedy. Um because on the first of april fifteen seventy two, the sea beggars arrive off um a port called Brill, which is uh a strategically crucial port on an island.
kind of in the the Great Estuary which leads out from Antwerp and it effectively controls the waterways of Holland and Zealand. So very strategically crucial. And they They sail up to towards this port, and to their astonishment, they find that it's empty because the entire garrison has gone off fishing.
They assume that, you know, the the war is effectively over. And so for the sea beggars, this is a complete open goal. And they sail into the port and they occupy it. And they sack all the Catholic churches.
They give assurances to the inhabitants that all will be well treated except priests, monks, and papists. So that's a reassurance. Um, and they set about turning it into a rebel stronghold. And with this base, because it is so strategic, suddenly they're able to go on the offensive and they start banging in goals left, right and centre.
Great footballing imagery now.
Thank you. Thank you, Dominic. Um, and the rest of the team to pursue the metaphor uh Roused from their torpor. Right. Um and suddenly you get Calvinists in towns across Holland and Zealand are rising up, they're expelling the Spanish garrisons, and they are declaring for William of Orange. And by July, representatives from these two provinces, so Holland and Zealand, are ready to acknowledge William basically as the guy in charge.
And specifically they confirm him in the office that Philip had originally bestowed on him. So that's the office of Stadtholder of Governor. And obviously it is slightly awkward that William's office derives from the King of Spain. But the the rebels in uh in Holland and Zealand have a kind of way round this, and their wheeze is to say that yes. William is the loyal servant of the King of Spain, and he's proving his loyalty to the King of Spain by attacking the Spanish.
And that may sound a slight stretch to people. So, how can this make sense? It's because. The pretense is that Philip doesn't know what his generals and his soldiers and his administrators are doing in his name and would be appalled if he did. So it's the classic um You know, the king doesn't know what his servants do.
are doing. I was about to say this is a classic medieval or early modern device, rhetorical device. It's the king is great. We love the king. It's just these corrupt and evil advisors. Yeah.
Um and so this is how William is able simultaneously to fight the Spanish and yet claim to be loyal to the King of Spain. And as you say, I think it reflects just how incredibly respectful of authority people in the sixteenth century are. Uh and even William who's been in open conflict. with Philip and the Spanish for four years.
still can't quite bring himself to acknowledge that he is a rebel. Because to be a rebel is the w you know, against an anointed king is the worst thing that you could possibly do. Um, you know, that's a big difference between the age of the American Revolution or the French Revolution. Yeah. I I think in the sixteenth century it's kind of
almost on the border zones of of inconceivable that you could do what William is effectively doing. And this is what makes him a kind of perfect figurehead for this revolt, which likewise isn't enti I mean it is a revolt. But it's kind of It's not a showy revolt. Sir Simon Sharmer in his brilliant book on this, The Embarrassment of Riches, if the Dutch finally espoused independence, they did so with the lowest possible profile.
So there is no equivalent of the Declaration of Independence that you get in the American Revolution. It's done in a slightly kind of crabbed well, I I suppose taciturn way. I mean that's why William the Silent is a kind of perfect leader for it. Yeah.
¶ The Dutch Revolt's Unique Character
Yeah, you can see how there's a spectrum that comes from this to the uh in the Civil War of the sixteen forties, where you have people moving from basically saying, Well, I'm still very much a monarchist, I just happen to be fighting on the side of parliament And then they move towards Charles as the man of blood. And then at the other extreme, you have the American Revolution where they're ideologically leaning into the idea of rebellion and casting off kings.
And then you have the French Revolution where they chop the king's head off. So it's yeah, you can you can see absolutely see the line of descent. But at the beginning in the sixteenth century, with the Dutch Revolt, there's a reticence about it, almost a sense of embarrassment. And it's that I think which makes
¶ Wilhelmus: Paradox and Unity
the Vilhelmus, the perfect anthem for this revolt. Because of course, as we've said, it's a rebel song which proclaims loyalty in its opening verse to the very king whom the rebels are fighting. That's why you have
William.
in that verse saying, oh, I'm very loyal to the King of Spain.
If we go to the website of the Dutch Royal Family, which obviously one of your favourites, Tom, love it. The website of the Dutch Royal Family says this song originated during the siege of the French city of Chartres in fifteen sixty eight. That's quite odd, because that's further back and it's also in the wrong country. So how how does this anthem written about a siege in France before the high points of the Dutch Revolt come to be the the sort of the musical emblem of the Dutch Revolt.
And what makes it even weirder is that it's a Catholic it's about a Catholic garrison beating off a Protestant attack. So the song is originally anti Protestant and of course the rebels um who composed the Vilhelmus are are Protestant, are Calvinists. And I think there are two possible answers to this that perhaps are only seemingly contradictory.
So the first is it's something that we've been talking about a lot in this series that it's uh it's it's a gesture of appropriation. So it's a bit like the sea beggars sailing into Brill and appropriating all the Catholic churches and making them Calvinists. or the um the way in which the um the Hanoverians uh in seventeen forty five appropriate the Jacobite melody that becomes God save the king.
Tunes and indeed lyrics have multiple meanings, and you can seize them and turn them to your own ends.
Yeah, and this is a kind of foreshadowing of what will happen in what emerges as the Dutch Republic. Um, because in that Calvinism will be enshrined as the public religion, the only one permitted to hold public services. And by and large these public services are being held in churches and chapels that previously had been Catholic. And so in a sense The Vilhelmus is replicating that in the form of song.
Wasn't that nice?
However, there are multiple ways of interpreting this. I mean so so that would appeal to the Calvinists in William's ranks. You could also see it as being a gesture of accommodation to those who are not hardcore Calvinists, because it's a Protestant song with a Catholic melody. I mean, that's how you could frame it. It's a maybe a kind of compromise.
Uh and certainly that tells you something important about William himself and about many of the people who are rallying to his banner, because most of them are actually not hardcore Calvinists. And you've been saying all along, well remember that that William is a Catholic. William only converts to Calvinism in fifteen seventy three, so that is after the Wilhelmus has actually been written.
And William's own ambition for this new Dutch state, which he's trying to create, is that it should allow freedom of religion too, and I quote William here, Reformed and Roman Catholic in public or in private, in church or in chapel. And ultimately, as we've said, this isn't how it works out. Calvinism does become kind of enshrined as the public religion in the Dutch Revolt.
But that commitment to freedom of religion, which William was so strongly identified with, I think for that reason it does remain a very important ideal for many people in the Dutch Republic, even so. And in the seventeenth century, There are all kinds of legal fictions that can be woven. There are all kinds of blind eyes that can be turned to Catholics, say, or Quakers, or Jews, or Muslims.
practising their their own forms of religion. And they by and large can do this without harassment. People are not kind of poking their noses in. It's not like Elizabethan England where, you know, priest hunters are out looking for Jesuits or anything like that. And in fact, Amsterdam will become one of the great centres of Jewish life in the seventeenth century. You know, it will become the home of Spinoza, who isn't only
Jewish until he gets excommunicated by the uh the synagogue in Amsterdam, but will become, you know, one of the great precursors of the radical Enlightenment that comes to question the very value of religion itself. And so maybe in the Vilhelmus, the fact that you have this fusion of the Catholic and the Protestant, it's looking ahead to the kind of post Reformation state that will kind of you know is being incubated in in the Dutch Republic? Perhaps. I don't know.
¶ William's Enduring Legacy, Martyrdom
But this is not uniquely a Dutch thing though, actually, this thing about anthems being compromises and expressing paradoxes and so on, because it's actually not, you know, the Remember how the Weimar Republic adopted the German anthem in nineteen twenty two as a kind of compromise between conservatives and and social democrats and and this is not dissimilar. It's there's something for everybody in the anthem, isn't there?
Yeah, and and that's uh people tend to see in anthons what they want to see. I think. Uh and so if the more flexibility that's built into an anthem, in a sense, the more useful it can be, particularly if it's an emergent state. And William himself, as we've been describing throughout this episode,
kind of like this emergent state is himself a figure of paradox. And so that's why I think it's in you know so appropriate that the Dutch national anthem today is named after him. Because in all kinds of ways He's the most improbable figure to be the du the Dutch, George Washington. So to go through the list of of of of why he is not obviously a rebel leader against the King of Spain, he is.
officially a servant of the King of Spain. He is a Stadtholder appointed by Philip. He is an aristocrat. He's the Prince of Orange. He's been born a German rather than Dutch. So it's improbable, I think, that he of all men would have emerged as the kind of founding father of what becomes a very Calvinist, very anti Spanish, a very bourgeois republic in the seventeenth century.
But I think William becomes loved by the Dutch, not kind of despite the long journey that he's made over the course of his life, but because of it. They know what he's had to give up. They know the degree to which he's been on a journey.
dominate. Can I just ask one quick question before we move on? Why did he go on that journey? Because if it wasn't religious zeal that was powering
Bring him.
to give all these things up, to go through all these trials and tribulations. What is it that made
Him.
embrace the cause of revolt when he could have probably had a much nicer life if he'd bent the knee to Fed II and said, Yeah, fine, crack.
I mean it's a great question. And I think the answer is essentially that he he ac although he is not a committed Calvinist or indeed Catholic, or maybe because of it, he has his own distinctive sense of what is right and wrong and he feels that um Philip is offending against that. And also I think because even though he is of German origin, um he has spent most of his um childhood and youth and adulthood in uh in in the Low Countries, and I think he has come to identify with the Dutch.
I think he feels it it's his kind of God given duty. And ultimately he ends up a martyr to that sense of duty because on the tenth of july fifteen eighty four He was assassinated in Delft, which is a very small provincial town. You know, the great Prince of Orange has been reduced to a kind of bourgeois house in Delft. and he's cornered there by a Catholic assassin called Balthasar Gerard, and Gerard um kills uh William o of Orange because he sees him as a traitor both to the King of Spain
and to Catholicism. And, you know, there's no question that um Gerard is right. I mean, um, William had become a traitor to both Philip and to Catholicism. Um so in fifteen seventy seven the Spanish governor of the Low Country had warned Philip, Orange, so William, hates nothing more in this world than your majesty, and if he could drink your blood, he would do it. So Philip is alarmed by this and so in fifteen eighty he'd placed a bounty on William's head and
This is part of what inspires Gerard to assassinate William, you know, it's kind of offer of financial goodies. And William responds to this in turn is kind of very it's like tennis, tit for tit for tat. He responds by writing an apology in which he accuses Philip of tyranny, of subverting the traditional liberties of the Dutch, um, and just for good measure of having poisoned both his wife and his son.
And then the following July, the rebels, led by William, take the key step, the key ideological leap into the future that will lead us to the English Civil War and to the American Revolution and to the French Revolution. when they issue an act of abjuration which repudiates Philip the Second personally and all his heirs in perpetuity, and from that point on Philip's head is removed from coins, from official seals, his coat of arms is taken down from public buildings.
It's scrubbed from documents. And the pattern there, I'm sure, will be very familiar to our American listeners, the process by which previously loyal British subjects end up turning against George the Third and branding him a tyrant. Yeah.
And so even though William doesn't get to see the proclamation of the Dutch Republic, He goes down in history as its founding father.
Yeah, so in the Vilhelmus he's described as um as David, but there's also a massively strong suggestion that he is Moses. So Moses, you know, the great Israelite leader who had led his people from out of bondage in Egypt. across the Red Sea, so across kind of bogs and marshes and waterways in which he had destroyed the armies of Pharaoh, aka Philip II.
But then Moses dies before reaching the promised land, just as William dies before the the proclamation of what will become the Dutch Republic in fifteen eighty eight. And I think this is why throughout the Dutch Republic The Vilhelmus retains its popularity. It's deployed as a marching song when going to war against the Spanish, but you know, which continues for for for decades into the seventeenth century, as a battle anthem in wars against the English and the Portuguese.
And I think just as a kind of reminder to the Dutch of what their liberty and all their incredible prosperity had cost them. That it they had really, really had to fight for it. And so they owed William the man who had made it possible.
¶ Republic to Kingdom: Anthem's Evolution
But the complicated thing about it is that it's an anthem celebrating the birth of a republic. But Holland is not a republic. The Netherlands is the kingdom of the Netherlands.
Today it is, yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. So so what happens there? Is it just so protein that it can be reinterpreted as the Netherlands goes through these kind of constitutional evolutions?
Well, Dominic, we're in the process at the moment of preparing a series of episodes on the founding fathers of America for the anniversary of the Declaration of Independence. Um and one of those founding fathers, Thomas Jefferson. was haunted by the anxiety that the office of the the President of the United States
might mutate and become something hereditary, might ultimately evolve into something overtly monarchical. And one of the reasons he fears that is that he is aware what happened in the Dutch Republic. where the heirs of William the Silent
held his office of stadtholder as a kind of hereditary office. So in in Holland, every stadtholder without exception was a member of William's dynasty. And the most famous of these um literally ends up a king and this is the guy who the the the Prince of Orange who becomes William the Third of England, of Scotland, and of course of Ireland.
Yeah, hence Orange Men, um, because he defeats James the Second at the Battle of the Boyne in sixteen ninety, so Orange Men, the Orange Order in Northern Ireland. And eventually in the middle of the eighteenth century, the Dutch just say, Well, let's drop the pretence. Yeah. Let's just turn the stadholder into a king, don't they?
Yeah, a bit like the Romans saying, Oh well, you know, let's let's not f pretend obviously Caesar is now our our mas lord and master. It's the same thing and it's exactly the kind of the model that so alarms the founding fathers that something like this could happen.
Yeah.
And the consequence of this is, you know, there are still Republicans in um in in what had been the Dutch Republic. And these republicans come to see the Vilhelmus as a kind of polarizing song rather than as it had previously been a unifying one. What had been a kind of independent Dutch state under the um conquest of the French Revolutionary Armies it becomes a Batavian Republic.
¶ Banning and Reclamation: Defiance
And then it comes a kind of kingdom under one of Napoleon's brothers. And in that period the Vilhelmus is officially banned. And I think even after Napoleon is overthrown and the Dutch get their independence back, The Vilhelmus kind of retains the quality of the taboo. It is kind of associated with a a form of rule that they feel a bit embarrassed about. And this is despite the fact that actually the House of Orange Nassau, so the d the descendants of William the Silent.
have by this point returned to the Netherlands from exile, um, and have actually officially proclaimed themselves monarchs, which they had not previously done. So from eighteen fifteen the heirs of William the Silent rule as kings, or, as subsequently happens, as queens. But because the scars of the Revolution are so fresh,
You know, they don't want to tempt fate by saying, Well, we will have the Vilhelmus as our anthem. You know, they want to have something that is acceptable to all their subjects, including a Republicans, including people who are resentful of their dynasty. And so this is uh kind of maps onto what you were describing about the um
the search in Germany for a suitable anthem, an anthem that um, you know, can tick all the boxes. And so they hold a competition to find an anthem that is less factional than the Wilhelmus. And the winning entry um is one that everyone feels is is splendid and and uh is exactly what they need, and I will read the opening lines.
Whoever has Dutch blood flowing in their veins, free of foreign blemishes, whose heart glows for king and country, rejoice in song as we do. So what could possibly go wrong with that? Holy unexceptional. No one can complain about that.
I don't mind that, although of course the problem is that line uh whose heart glows for king and country,'cause what happens if you end up with a queen?
That's a massive problem. And they do end up with a queen, Vilhelmina, um, who becomes uh the new monarch in eighteen ninety and she's a very young girl when she succeeds to the throne, so she's only inaugurated in eighteen ninety eight. And they sing this anthem and it's massive problem with the metrics of it. The meter is all over the place. And what about
Now a lot of people may have uh raised an eyebrow at the words foreign blemishes. So I would guess in the if they still had that anthem, well if they had that anthem after about nineteen fifty, there would be issues, wouldn't there, in a in a continent, you know, transformed by immigration.
Well I think even before that it's seen as as awkward. Um, it's seen as kind of inappropriate to the age and particularly in the n early nineteen thirties, when of course the Dutch are very aware of what is going on in Germany, the discussion of kind of pure blood and foreign blemishes comes to seem a little bit Nazi and the Dutch
definitely want to distinguish themselves from the nazis and so in the early 1930s 1932 to be precise so one year before the nazis come to power She decrees that Bill Helmus should for the first time be officially inscribed as the Dutch. national anthem. And this is despite the fact that it you know, it's still pretty unpopular with Dutch Republicans. Um, you know, it's seen as too royalist, too sectarian.
But actually when the Nazis invade um the Netherlands and occupy it, the Vilhelmus comes into its own. It provides the Dutch with a kind of great rallying point. Because all that stuff that you get in verse six, you know, the talk of defying tyranny, William's refusal to submit to uh to the enemy, this this becomes very moving to to people in the Dutch resistance.
And by the end of the war, even anti monarchists have taken it to their heart. And I don't think there's any great debate now in the Netherlands that Yeah, it should be removed. I mean, any Dutch listeners, if there is, let us know. But it it seems pretty kind of it's bedded down. And so it's not the oldest national anthem. But it is the oldest song to have become a national anthem. Oh, and just one further footnote. The Japanese national anthem has as its lyrics
um a poem from the tenth century. So that's the age of Lady Murasaki and say Shonigan. But the the the music is incredibly modern and the idea of using it is very modern. So the Vilhelmus definitely has that status as the oldest coherent song to be a national anthem.
¶ The Enduring Power of Wilhelmus
And it perfectly captures, doesn't it, the complexities of Dutch history. So you've got this bloke who's the founding father, the Moses of the Dutch Republic, who's actually you know, it's a song about something that happened in France. who you know, who's changed religion about six times, loyalty to the King of Spain, all that sort of stuff. I like that'cause it's kind of I like an anthem that has a little bit of complexity, a little bit of ambiguity to it. And
And kind of perfectly channels, as you say, lots of the complexities that have characterised Dutch history in the sixteenth century and through the centuries that have followed.
Well, fascinating story. Thank you very much, Tom. If you're interested in national anthems generally, you can of course read the Rest is history newsletter, which is gonna have loads about national anthems and their history. So you can go to the Restis History website, um, give us your email and we'll send you the newsletter, so which is completely free. If you want to hear next week's episodes, which are absolutely fascinating stories.
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