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The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Jenkins

Paul Jenkinswww.buzzsprout.com

Throughout the years, I've come to believe two truths: one, everyone leads someone, and two, no one really feels qualified to lead anyone. Add the pressure put on us by culture to have all the answers in a world full of confusion, and you've got a recipe for reluctant leaders.

Thankfully, when it comes to leading in the Bible and in life, the most qualified aren't always the most obvious. This podcast is a conversation for all of us who want to lead well but never feel like we are. New episodes are released on the 2nd and 4th Tuesdays of each month.

Episodes

TRLP 051: Being With before Being Sent: The Leadership Power of Presence

Got questions or comments? Text them to me! Before Jesus ever sent His disciples out to preach, heal, or lead—He simply invited them to be with Him . In this episode, Paul unpacks Mark 3:14 and explores how powerful it is when leaders prioritize presence over performance . You’ll learn why Jesus’ leadership style wasn’t built on strategy first—it was built on shared space, vulnerability, and relational connection . Whether you're leading a team, a ministry, or just trying to keep your group chat...

May 27, 20256 minEp. 51

TRLP 050: Benjamin Crawshaw Talks about Finding God in the Debris After his Life Blew Up

Got questions or comments? Text them to me! In this milestone 50th episode of The Reluctant Leader Podcast , Paul sits down with Benjamin Crawshaw for an honest, relatable conversation about life, leadership, and what happens when everything falls apart. Benjamin shares his powerful story of how personal failure, ministry unraveling, and a season of isolation led him to rediscover God’s grace in unexpected places — including a 5-6 year-old girls’ softball team and a student ministry of four. The...

May 13, 202544 minEp. 50

TRLP 049: What a 21-Day TikTok Challenge Taught Me About Consistency

Got questions or comments? Text them to me! Welcome to The Reluctant Leader Podcast —where we talk real leadership for those of us who sometimes feel like we’re not cut out for it… but keep showing up anyway. In this episode, I’m unpacking what I learned from posting 21 straight days of hope-filled, one-minute videos on TikTok. I’ll share what surprised me, the comments that reminded me why this matters, and why consistency is your secret weapon —especially when no one’s clapping yet. We’re talk...

Apr 22, 20257 minEp. 49

TRLP 048: When Words Walk: The Power of Authentic Leadership

Got questions or comments? Text them to me! In a world overflowing with noise and polished personas, authentic leadership cuts through like a beacon of trust. In this episode, Paul unpacks why it's so powerful when leaders actually do what they say—how integrity, vulnerability, and consistency can create a kind of credibility that commands attention without shouting. Whether you lead a team, a church, or just your own life, this conversation will challenge and encourage you to lead with your who...

Apr 08, 20255 minEp. 48

TRLP 047: Trusting the Process - How to Grow in the Messy Middle

Got questions or comments? Text them to me! Ever feel stuck between where you started and where you want to be? The messy middle can be frustrating, filled with uncertainty, doubt, and the temptation to give up. But what if this season isn’t a roadblock—it’s the real work of transformation? In this episode, we’re diving into what it means to trust the process when things aren’t happening as fast as we’d like. You’ll discover: ✅ Why surrendering control leads to more peace and clarity ✅ How strug...

Mar 25, 20255 minSeason 1Ep. 47

TRLP 046: The Wisdom of Many, and Why Leaders Should Seek Counsel

Got questions or comments? Text them to me! In this episode of The Reluctant Leader Podcast , we dive into the biblical wisdom of seeking godly counsel and why no leader should make decisions in isolation. Proverbs tells us that wise advisers lead to success, but pride can keep us from listening. We’ll explore how humility opens the door to growth, how God often speaks through others, and why even the best leaders—Moses, David, and Paul—sought guidance. If you’ve ever felt the pressure to figure...

Mar 11, 20258 minSeason 1Ep. 46

TRLP 045: Why Leaders Need to Know What's Happening

Got questions or comments? Text them to me! The Bible has a lot to say about staying alert and keeping watch. If we aren't vigilant as leaders, the churches and organizations we're responsible for are often left in disarray and vulnerable to attack and vision creep. As Jesus often told his followers: watch! ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️ Thanks for listening to The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Jenkins ! Find me on Twitter , Facebook , and Instagram , and be sure to read the stuff I'm writing on my blog. D...

Feb 11, 202510 minEp. 45

TRLP 044: Discover the Power of Repetition and Why The Right Habits Matter So Much

Got questions or comments? Text them to me! Too many of us are so addicted to the rush of something new that we've accepted that anything that gets repeated has to become boring or stale. But repetition is only a bad thing when we're repeating bad things! I repeat: repetition is only a... You get the idea. So let's change the narrative, and get busy repeating what needs to be repeated. As you'll find out in this episode of The Reluctant Leader Podcast, some of the best things in life are born wi...

Jan 27, 20258 minEp. 44

TRLP 043: How to Do Hard Things, Recover, and then Do More Hard Things

Got questions or comments? Text them to me! I've always been motivated by JFK's "we do them because they are hard" speech, and clearly, so was our country because we did get to the moon (regardless of what conspiracy theorists might think). But what happens after we've done hard things and we need time to rest and recover? Maybe more importantly, how do we find the strength to get back up and do another hard thing? In this episode, Paul reminds us that while we may need to step back from time to...

Jan 14, 20257 minEp. 43

TRLP 042: Karl Vaters challenges our obsession with bigness, and offers a fresh perspective on the future of faith in America

Got questions or comments? Text them to me! In this interview, we take a deep dive with Karl Vaters, a seasoned pastor and author, as he challenges the conventional obsession with church size. For over 40 years, Carl has been an advocate for small churches and has worked to redefine success beyond just mere numbers. Whether you're a church leader feeling the pressure to grow or just curious about the future of faith in America, I think you’ll find this interview fascinating, and Karl’s perspecti...

Oct 08, 202433 minEp. 42

TRLP 041: Let's Talk About the Power of Speaking Kind Words

Got questions or comments? Text them to me! All of us know that our words have power but too many times we talk as if they don't. In this episode, Paul shares how one simple statement ignited passion and launched him into action. We're sure that you'll be encouraged, and will be challenged to consider the kindness - or lack of - in the words you speak to those around you. ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️ Thanks for listening to The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Jenkins ! Find me on Twitter , Facebook , and I...

Jul 23, 20247 minSeason 1Ep. 41

TRLP 040: What Do You Do When God Seems to Ignore Your Prayers?

Got questions or comments? Text them to me! Does God ever seem distant when you ask him about things that really matter to you? Of course, he does. But the good news is that you aren't alone! Anyone who has ever spent any amount of time in prayer has felt that way, and often, the more desperate we are, the longer he seems to take. In this episode, Paul walks us through Luke 18 and shows us what to do when we face the unopened door of unanswered prayer. ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️ Thanks for listening to The ...

Jun 25, 20249 minSeason 1Ep. 40

TRLP 039: Never - and we mean, NEVER - stop planting because the harvest IS coming

Got questions or comments? Text them to me! As we wrap up our "Restored to Health" miniseries in Psalm 126, the psalmist reminds us that even after we've been restored, there is work to be done. Even more importantly, he reminds us that the work often still feels like work, and yet he holds out the very real hope that when the sowing brings us pain, the reaping will bring us bounty. ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️ Thanks for listening to The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Jenkins ! Find me on Twitter , Faceb...

Apr 09, 20248 minSeason 1Ep. 39

TRLP 038: Let's Talk About Taking Two Steps Forward, Three Steps Back, and Why Sometimes That Might be Normal

Got questions or comments? Text them to me! We've all been there. We've gone public about something amazing that God has done in our lives, churches, businesses, or ministries only to wake up the next day and find ourselves wondering if it really happened? In this episode, we can take comfort in the fact that the people of God also lived in the "now and not yet" places we find ourselves. Yes, God had brought back the captives (Psalm 126:1), and yet in Psalm 126:4 they asked Him to do it again. O...

Mar 26, 20248 minSeason 1Ep. 38

TRLP 037: Let's Talk About a Four Letter Word with the Power to Get Us Through the Process

Got questions or comments? Text them to me! Sometimes the process of being restored to joy is just that ... a process. That process can be daunting and overwhelming if we think it's about being the perfect leader or the perfect person, but when we accept as fact that the Lord has restored us to health, then the process can become a celebration of all that the Lord has done to this point. No more hiding or pretending. No more masks or fake smiles. "Here I raise my Ebeneezer" because thus far, to ...

Mar 12, 20247 minSeason 1Ep. 37

TRLP 036: Let's Talk About Testimonies, The B99's Birthday, and How God's Grace Works to Keep Us on Our Worst Days

Got questions or comments? Text them to me! As we continue our miniseries in Psalm 126, let's talk about the things that mark us when we're living lives that have been restored to health: joy, song, laughter, and the global influence that comes with a life of integrity. Will we always feel like we're living up to that list? Of course not. But as we'll see in this episode, that doesn't mean that it isn't still true. Join us as we continue our journey toward restored spiritual and emotional health...

Feb 27, 202411 minSeason 1Ep. 36

TRLP 035: Let's Talk About Gratitude, and How Remembering What God Did Helps Us Be Better Leaders

Got questions or comments? Text them to me! In this episode, Paul kicks off a miniseries diving into the game-changing truths found in Psalm 126, and takes us deeper into the profound wisdom that verse 1 offers for modern living Learn how gratitude transforms our perspective, calms anxieties, and deepens trust in God's faithfulness. Discover how practicing gratitude reshapes your spiritual journey, cultivating contentment and propelling you toward a life filled with hope and purpose. Join us on ...

Feb 13, 20249 minSeason 1Ep. 35

TRLP 034 - Let's Talk About How to Live Beyond Regret and How to Stay Out of Hell

Got questions or comments? Text them to me! Is hell "down there?" If it is, then why do we often talk about "hell on earth?" Why does the regret we experience at night as we replay the day feel so much like hell already, and how can we learn to live beyond it? Is peace even possible, or are we destined to stay stuck in a Groundhog Day of bad decisions and painful regret? In this episode, Paul shares some interesting insights into what hell might be and sheds some light on how God's goodness in t...

Jan 23, 202412 minSeason 1Ep. 34

TRLP 033 - Let's Talk About the Difference Between Me and Tiger Woods, and How Leaders Need to be Able to Recover to Joy Quicker

Got questions or comments? Text them to me! What's the biggest difference between Tiger Woods and me when it comes to playing golf? Well, we both hit bad shots from time to time (I hit a lot more of them), but we don't recover from them the same. In this episode, let's talk about how important it is for us to be healthy enough as leaders that we can recover from the bad shots, and help the people we lead find their way back to joy after hard seasons. If the quote I read from Jim Wilder's book ma...

Jan 10, 202410 minSeason 1Ep. 33

TRLP 032 - Let's Talk About Stepping Through the Door in 2024 and Leading From a Place of Health and Joy

Got questions or comments? Text them to me! Welcome to the last episode of 2023! In this episode, Paul walks us through Psalm 126 and shows us how what the Lord told His people then still speaks to His people now. As the Year of the Door, 2024 holds so much promise for us, and as Paul explains, it's a year that will mark the church with joy, laughter, hope, and health. ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️ Thanks for listening to The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Jenkins ! Find me on Twitter , Facebook , and Inst...

Dec 26, 20237 minSeason 1Ep. 32

TRLP 031 - Let's Talk About the Beautiful Way that Jesus Takes the Two and Makes them One

Got questions or comments? Text them to me! After a fast-paced, family-filled wedding weekend, Paul came home with three things: 1. A new daughter-in-law, 2. A wicked head cold (he's all about that bass in this episode!), and 3. A fresh revelation of what the power of the gospel can do in us. If you've got your Bible or your Bible app, turn to Ephesians 2;11-19 and follow along. If you don't, follow along anyway. 😂 ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️ Thanks for listening to The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Je...

Dec 12, 20235 minSeason 1Ep. 31

TRLP 030 - Let's Talk About Building a Faith that Can Be Forsaken

Got questions or comments? Text them to me! So often in leadership, we talk about having a faith that can't be shaken, but in this episode, Paul points out what it looks like to have a faith that can be forsaken. It's important, too, because - wait for it - we're going to be. Thanks for being a faithful listener of The Reluctant Leader Podcast!! To enjoy a free coffee on me, simply click the link below and show the QR code to the awesome barista at your local Dunkin'! Get your Cup of Joe here! ⬇...

Nov 28, 20239 minSeason 1Ep. 30

TRLP 029 - Robby Angle Talks About the Best Book He's Ever Read, and Living Free From the Pressure to Perform

Got questions or comments? Text them to me! What if it was possible to live free from having the pressure to perform for God's love, and instead, live free in the reality that we've already been given God's love? In this episode of TRLP, Paul interviews Robby Angle, a former staff pastor at North Point Community Church, and current CEO of Trueface, a ministry committed to creating authentic, trust-filled relationships. We think you'll get a ton out of this interview (we did!!), and you're going ...

Nov 14, 202334 minSeason 1Ep. 29

TRLP 028 - Let's Talk About Hard Things, Threshing Floors, and Hope For Current and Future Generational Leaders

Got questions or comments? Text them to me! Have you ever noticed that sometimes we get what we pay for? We buy cheap stuff to save a buck or two, only to have to buy that same cheap stuff over and over and over... Sometimes, it's much better to pay the price in order to obtain something of value because we know that it will last. Join Paul on a journey through a moment in a king's life that taught him that very lesson, and then take a peek at how God used it to set up the next generation to ful...

Oct 24, 202310 minSeason 1Ep. 28

TRLP 027 - Let's Talk About a Mental Health Crisis and How Non-Anxious Leaders Can Help

Got questions or comments? Text them to me! It should come as no surprise that depressive episodes exploded during the COVID-19 pandemic. In fact, 18-25 year-olds are twice as likely to struggle with depression as people over 50, and that number is only rising. Does that mean the older generation should write off the younger one? Far from it! In fact, it means that older leaders have a unique opportunity to influence and reverse the anxiety epidemic that has swept over our culture like a flood. ...

Sep 26, 202310 minSeason 1Ep. 27

TRLP 026 - Let's Talk About Consistency and Why So Many of Us Keep Starting and Stopping and Starting And Stopping

Got questions or comments? Text them to me! Have you ever felt like you had whiplash because of all the starts and stops as you tried to develop a new habit? Why do so many of us never actually achieve and stay at new levels in life and leadership? In this episode, Paul takes us through a key moment in the life of Daniel and helps us understand why occasional effort will never result in consistent excellence. ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️ Thanks for listening to The Reluctant Leader Podcast with Paul Jenkins !...

Apr 25, 202311 minSeason 1Ep. 26

TRLP 025 - Rare of Breed Talks About Overcoming Foster Care, Addiction, Homelessness, and how the Mercy of God Birthed a Brand New Life and Musical Style Called GodTwang

Got questions or comments? Text them to me! What happens when God rescues a life out of a broken home and foster care that loves hip hop but has country music in his roots? He opens the door for Rare of Breed, a leading artist in the genre of Country Hip Hop. You read that right. Country Hip Hop. You’re going to love this interview with Rob Hardin about his latest project, GodTwang, and how God is calling a broken generation back to Himself. For more information about Rare of Breed, check out hi...

Apr 11, 202323 minSeason 1Ep. 25

TRLP 024 - Let's Talk About the Body and Why Armpits, Elbows, and the Spaces Between Our Toes Matter So Much

Got questions or comments? Text them to me! Too often we place too much emphasis on things that can be seen and parts that can be platformed. But when was the last time you actually stopped to consider that each one of us are uniquely gifted for a part to play and a purpose to fulfill? Let's talk about why the different parts of the body matter, and how you and I can lead ourselves and others into an understanding of which parts we're called to play. ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️ Thanks for listening to The Re...

Mar 28, 20237 minSeason 1Ep. 24

TRLP 023 - Nathan Smith Talks About the Asbury Outpouring, Being in Big Daddy Weave, and The Most Important Thing We Can Ever Do For Jesus

Got questions or comments? Text them to me! By now, you've probably heard about the outpouring at Asbury University in Wilmore, Kentucky. In this episode we talk with Pastor Nathan Smith , an Executive Pastor at The Refuge Church in Kannapolis, North Carolina, about his history with Asbury and his recent trip to experience the revival first hand. We know you'll love the sincerity and humility that marks Nathan's life, and hope that this interview whets your appetite to hear more from him. We've ...

Mar 14, 202334 minSeason 1Ep. 23

TRLP 022 - Let's Talk About Time and Why It's Important to Remember That We Only Have So Much of It

Got questions or comments? Text them to me! Sometimes God asks us questions that He already knows the answer to, and those moments can lead to some pretty massive revelations. Like the day when God asked me this seemingly simple question: "What's the difference between an army and an end-time army?" No, it isn't a riddle, and, yes, the answer is important. Extremely important. Shout out to CUTRIGHT for pointing me in the direction of an amazing FREE tool from Adobe that got my podcast out of the...

Feb 28, 20238 minSeason 1Ep. 22
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