¶ Nefarious Haunting
On this episode of the redacted , we're going to be doing something a little different .
We're dipping our toe into the I guess you'd call it the paranormal world , and there's a lot of these stories out there and I'm as big of a skeptic as the next , but , as you'll hear , it's one of those things , like a lot of things in life , like car accidents or cancer or a robbery .
It's one of those things that there's a pattern and every time it happens to someone , they always say I never thought it would happen to me or I didn't believe it until it happened to me . And that's something very interesting to think about and it's worth exploring .
You could also look at this from a different perspective and you know you have to get your house in order , your spirituality in order , your mental health in order , your depression in order . Stephen King had a really great quote about you know monsters and ghosts , and he said monsters are real and ghosts are real too .
They live inside us and sometimes they win . So with that , enjoy this episode in this interview . It's going to be a two parter and we're going to have the next part released a week from this episode . Enjoy , Okay . Thank you everybody for tuning in to the Redacted Podcast .
My name is Matt Bender and we have a little bit of a different show today than our usual , but it's definitely something that's super interesting and one of those things that it's understandable that somebody wouldn't want to talk about necessarily , so we have our guest on . Thanks for coming on .
Thanks for having me .
And what you had was I guess you'd call it a nefarious haunting or some kind of a spiritual attack on your family- Absolutely it was .
It encompassed our whole entire family . But it was really . Target was my son , because of his psychic abilities .
Okay , okay . And so the thing about stuff like this and I've always been so curious and I guess I've been fortunate enough to have not had any of these kind of experiences . But people can be skeptical on these stories , Do you kind of find that ?
They're very skeptical and they want to poke at it and make fun events until it slaps them in the face like it did us .
Oh yeah , yeah , I can . It's one of those things I guess seeing is believing and you can't force anyone to kind of understand that until it happens to them , but when it does and you know all the things I've seen it's always it's terrifying , it's fucking terrifying , I'm sure .
Oh , yes , it is . You will go to sleep , and some days you won't sleep and other days you will go to sleep with that holy water praying . Yes , my family , we've experienced all of it .
And the nature of that skepticism that you've experienced , and I'm sure a lot of others have , doesn't , in a way , keep people from sharing their story , because it's like oh , you're kooky , oh , that didn't , that was all in your imagination , that was all you know , and people don't want to hear that , so they just don't share .
Sometimes , it seems , yes , most definitely . Yeah , that's tough . Well , why don't you start us at the beginning of where I guess you first noticed or started having experiences , or other people in your family started to ?
Well , like I said , it's kind of a double story into one , our middle son , tyler . He has a very old soul , always just very helpful . He could always just look at him and people are always automatically drawn to him .
It was not that my other kids weren't special or anything like that , but there was always something different about Tyler , always has been , when he was probably about three years old .
I've always been into genealogy and I had some pictures of my grandfather , who's passed for I don't know 25 plus years , and my grandfather used to run an old Scali station and I had the picture out just because I was putting a new photo album together . And again Tyler had no idea who he was or anything .
And he went up to the picture and I remember him saying and again I'm paraphrasing because it's been a while and at the time , like he was three , he said that he'd seen him before and I'm like , what do you mean ? You've seen him before ? And he said , oh , he comes in my room and plays with me and then he just ran off .
Wow , that's that was .
That was the first time I was crazy . And they always say you know , the younger they are , they're more open and in tune with that type of events .
Yeah , yeah .
My grandfather . Like I said , he worked in a Scali station so he always wore I always call him the bitty coveralls and after that that is all Tyler would wear . He had to wear his bitty coveralls and that's all my grandfather wore and we would always hear him in his room . He was one of those kids that you could buy . He couldn't buy enough play sets .
I mean he would have play set villages . He would line them up and he would play for hours with those and you could hear him talking , but nothing was ever threatening . It sounded like where my other son . He wouldn't play with a play set for nothing . He was bored within five minutes .
That's kind of how we first knew about his abilities , but we never really .
You just saw something was different .
Yeah , I mean we just like okay , that's Tyler , that's just Tyler . Where it really took a turn was when my husband had rotator cuff surgery , which can be a really tough surgery . He had been out of work because of the surgery and they had been giving him Vicodin's .
Well , he had tapped out and we ended up having to go to Colorado for wrestling because we travel a lot for wrestling . We have three years and I'm not going to lie . He took some medicinal ointment and that was how my husband was able to get off the Vicodin . Praise God on that one . It does have a good medicinal effect there .
And when we came back home from the trip , mike was scheduled to go back to work . He works at an automotive plant and , having seniority , you go out on medical , you go back to your job . Well , he went back to his job and they gave his job to somebody else . This is a man who has 20 years in . He should be able to go back to his job .
Yeah .
That's terrible . They put him back on the line where he had worked so many years to get the job he had . They gave it one of the they call it committee people . They gave it to one of their buddies . So my husband ended up having to go back on the line . When he did that it really put him in a dark phase . He was depressed .
He was fighting , trying to get out . Why did you know my job ? Screw me . Excuse me for saying it that way . He was missing work . I mean , he just took a dive into depression land and it was dark . That is when things , when he hit that dark depression , that's when things really took a really bad turn . Tyler was always able to sleep in his room .
Again , he was like five , going on , six years old . He would sleep in his room . When Mike hit this depression , all of a sudden he every night was in our room and again , you know they're five , six years old . Okay , that's fine , no big deal . You know he come in in the middle of the night while we were asleep . So it really didn't bother us .
We didn't really think anything of it . It wasn't until probably a couple months of him coming in the middle of the night . I remember my husband was working we call it Super Sundays , which is overtime , and I woke up to a loud clunking sound in my dryer and I thought my dryer had broken . It ended up being my husband's work coveralls .
And I'm like , okay , why is it two , 33 o'clock in the morning , and he usually gets up about 4.30 because he worked day shift . I was like why did he turn those on ? Maybe he washed them in the middle of the night and he woke up , turned it on . Whatever . I turned it off . I went back to bed .
About 30 minutes later I wake up to the clunking sound again . I go and turn it off again . I end up falling back to sleep . Mike messaged me , I don't know , about 8 o'clock , 9 o'clock in the morning again it's Sunday . I reply back to him hey , why did you turn on the dryer at 2 , 3 o'clock in the morning ? And he's like I didn't .
I thought that was you . I'm like , no , I didn't turn the dryer on . So he's like well , maybe the boys did . Nope , they did not turn it on , just ignored it really , and it was actually the dryer , it wasn't just a sound that sounded like the dryer . No , no , the dryer was full on going .
In fact , when Mike woke up his Kevlarals were warm for him so he thought I was being nice and turned it on for him . Now it turned on by itself and it actually it was three times . It did it Three times . I had to turn it off and Tyler was in our room at this time . So that was that weekend .
Then little stuff around our house would go missing Keys one day . I couldn't find my keys . I found them in the refrigerator , just little stuff constantly being like hidden from us , almost like a little kid hiding your stuff , like playing pranks . There is that aspect .
Yeah , and probably at the time didn't seem like anything .
No , and when we're both .
This is only in hindsight . This starts to connect .
Absolutely . We're living life . So we both work , we have multiple kids , we travel for wrestling . My daughter had I think she was at the time two . I just started her in a dance . We had a lot of things going on and actually I think my dad had just been diagnosed with cancer at that time .
So I didn't give any time to really sit down like oh wow , Julie , something's going on in your house red flags . I didn't really take that time , if that makes sense .
Yeah , totally . I mean you had a lot going on and you know the stories . I've seen too different TV shows and stuff like that before . It always seems to kind of occur when people are having maybe a tumultuous or a chaotic or some kind of a change in life .
Yes , it's yes , absolutely yes , so you don't have time to focus on it .
Exactly .
So when you don't focus on it , it tends to grow , and that's what we learned . Okay yeah , so paying attention to it .
yeah , exactly , that makes sense .
We had other times to where my husband hung out a lot in the garage . He would just fixing stuff . That was just . You know , we have a three car garage and so that's his manhunt hideout . He has this big boombox he's had since like the 90s . It's old but it's his favorite and he loves it and it's so durable .
It would turn on in the middle of the night . It would turn on during daytime , just I don't know . Or just turn on , just turn on . One time it did turn on in the middle of the night like full blast . He was working what we called it to odd shift , we call it sea crew .
It's Friday , Saturday day , sunday , monday nights , and it turned on in the middle of the nights and he was at work . Well , I went down to the garage to turn it off and it was not plugged in . Whoa , yes .
And there was no batteries or anything .
Batteries . No , I mean , this thing is from the 90s . The batteries in it are like be like acid coming out . Yeah . So , we're not going with it . There was no possible way , yeah .
So , between the dryer incident and the stuff missing and then this thing turning on , I mean , what kind of timeframe is this ?
Was this within months , or Within like a two , three months time span , and then the music that was playing was AC DC highway to hell .
Oh , you got to be kidding me .
No , I'm not ?
Was it on the radio or was it like a ?
Yes , it was on the radio .
Oh my God . So that had to raise , that had to send a chill up your spine when you saw the thing wasn't plugged in .
Being a cradle Catholic I am . I rebuked it in the name of Jesus and claimed the blood right there and I ran yeah .
Everything else probably seemed pretty innocuous to that point , but when you , when you have a device turn on that isn't even plugged in , that's oof .
That was the big red flag . And then it was a couple of weeks later . Like I said , tyler was constantly coming in our room every night , every night , which was fine , it was fine . We started hearing him talk a lot and it was like he had a pretend friend .
Now again , he's my middle child , I've already had my oldest one never had a pretend friend , but each kid is different to each . So I was like , okay , so he's got a pretend friend , that's fine .
He would sit in his room with his Superman playhouse , his Ninja Turtle , I mean he had like six of them lined up , his little playhouse city and I could hear him talking , just talking . So I just thought he had a pretend friend , didn't think , really , didn't give any credit to it , nothing like that .
Yeah , and that seems pretty normal . I mean , kids do that .
Absolutely , although my other didn't . I just thought , okay , this is Tyler . Yeah , my little quirky one , that's fine .
Exactly .
My husband . It was a few days late . A few days later , after the talking really started , my husband was working night so I had to get up early for work , take the kids to school , so I closed my bedroom door so my husband could sleep . I was in the hall bathroom getting ready and Tyler came up to me and he's like mommy , guess what ?
And I was like what I mean I can remember to this day , it's so vivid . He's like Jimmy and Charlie want me to be like them . I was like , well , who's Jimmy and Charlie Ty ? We called him Ty Ty . Who is he , ty Ty ? And he's like they're my friends that come play with me . I was like , well , that's awful nice of them .
What do they want you to be , tyler ? They want me to be a ghost .
Oh shit .
Just ran the fuck off and I'm sitting there with the curler iron in my hair like what the fuck just happened .
Oh shit , yeah , that's creepy .
Yes . So that's like I was like , okay , we gotta do something . That's when I stopped in my tracks right there .
¶ Supernatural Discoveries and Protection
So we would watch a few different ghost shows . My husband and I were into them . Dead Files was our favorite we watched because it kind of did investigation but yet it touched on the paranormal . So I kind of started contacting a few ghost shows , see if they would help . I never got feedback from nobody , nobody , nothing .
So I remember watching Dead Files and there was a similar situation and they brought in like a psychic medium . So I'm like , okay , I need to find a psychic medium . I start looking in we live in the Kansas city type area and I start looking around and they want about $500 or $600 . I can't afford it . I mean , we just we couldn't afford it to do that .
And that's for someone to basically who- .
Come to my house .
Who's a medium . Come to your house and figure out what's going on .
Yes .
Okay .
After Tyler came to tell me about Jimmy and Charlie and , like I said , he had names for these two friends of his , jimmy and Charlie . After Tyler had them came and talked to me about him , he was more open about it and would tell me a little stuff . All of a sudden he started telling me a little stories about Jimmy and Charlie .
He told us about how his dad had anger issues and he started telling us stories about Jimmy and Charlie's life on the farm . It was too detailed for a six-year-old to know .
Yeah , I was just about to ask that , and it's like you can't feed a kid that young that kind of information and to them to him it doesn't seem weird . I guess To us it seems strange , but to him he's just like oh yeah , they grew up on a farm and they had a dad with him .
Like that's yes , yeah , so again , like I told you earlier , I love genealogy , I love history . My husband and I would love to go do metal detecting . So we live in the country actually it's Carney , missouri , where Jesse James' house is , boy home , he's buried here , all that . It's very old land .
Although this town has been renamed , there's a lot of old history where we're at . So my husband and I used to do , and we still do , time to time when we get it is we do metal detecting . It's just our little date day .
So I was familiar with when we do metal detecting I would pull up old plat maps and I like to see where old houses were , because then that would tell us where we would do our metal detecting at .
So while Tyler was continuing to tell us details of Jimmy and Charlie , I decided to pull all the plat maps up from our house and I started to do the history of our house and although we don't have all sorts of land or anything like that , back in the day it was very much cattle area .
Again , jesse James and his family actually they lived , I think , less than half a mile from our house . So that's cattle , yeah , absolutely . So you just never know what happened .
So I started pulling the old plat maps up and I figured out that I remember I work at an automotive plant too and I work in the offices and we were redoing the offices so everybody was like sitting in the middle .
And I got on my computer and I pulled the old plat map of 1879 , and there was a family that lived where our house was with the last name Johnson which , and they had like five kids , and two of their kids' name was Charles and Jimmy .
Oh shit .
And that's literally what I said at work . I said holy shit .
Yeah .
And I remember the guy crossed for me , john , and he's like Julie , what's wrong ? And I was like I remember I was just like dead . And he's like he came over to my computer and he's like , oh , you're doing old map searches .
Well , I hadn't told anybody what happened or what was going on at our house and I ended up telling John about it and he's like you mean to tell me your son knows the names of this . I said yeah , he called him Jimmy and Charlie and said and I was like look , 1879 , they lived where our house stands right now . It's like how the fuck is that possible ?
How could a six-year-old know that shit ?
Geez is that that's what you got abilities .
There's more to this did that .
I Mean in that moment where you kind of terrified or Fascinated , I mean , what was that emotion , that ?
you had as a ? I wasn't . I was more about protecting my child .
So you were scared for your child . Now , Absolutely okay , I .
Left work right away and I went home and I remember walking through my house and we didn't have and again , we're Christian , I mean , I'm cradle Catholic we had not one cross in our house . We had nothing that said , hi , we believe in Jesus . It wasn't anything done on purpose , it was just we moved in our house , we started having .
I started having babies , one after another , and , busy with life , I never really decorated my house , we were in survival mode , more so , and so that's when I was like , okay , we need to get some Christian stuff in our house . I went to Savers and I bought all sorts of crosses and I put across in Every single room and then I put pictures .
I put a plaque as St Jude and In Tyler's room because St Jude is supposed to be for in time in need or you needing help and my son , ty Ty , he was and he still is . He's a little smaller , he's . He's not at tall . He's not tall by any means . He's always been a little guy , very , very short , very just . He's like a perfect little wrestler .
He's a short little guy and his Dresser was super tall and he could never reach the top two and drawers . He always had a little like a step stool to get to him and I remember I put the picture of St Jude on his dresser and Then I had a candle that had been blessed by the church and I had it in his room .
So that was set in his room and , like I said , every other room in the house I had him set up my oldest son's room was downstairs , the very down downstairs , because I have like a split level house . He was in California at a wrestling camp , but I still put Some type of candle down in his room and I put it across in his room .
Well , I called my husband and I told my husband what was going on , what I found the plat maps and that he's like Well , what do we need to do ? I said we need to bring somebody over here to bless this house and bless it immediately , and then we need to bring a medium in or figure something out .
And At this time Mike is still dealing with his depression . So I'm fighting the battle of trying to get my husband out of depression . He was going through stuff with the work thing , taking his job . He was dealing with stuff with his family they're Not the best supportive family .
Then I had dealing with my son of whether these ghosts or these entities or whoever he's seeing or want to make him a ghost , and His room was on the third level . His room is , and all I can think is him jumping out the window , or so I didn't know . Just that's what I kept thinking , because he was obsessed with Superman too .
So I hope , I was hoping okay , and I think he's Superman and he could fly again . My mind is just going you just don't know . You just don't know what's gonna happen .
Yeah , that's got to be horrifying , because and I mean , is he understanding any of this yet ? Or is this just Maybe kind of fun to him , or just some friends ? He doesn't quite get it .
He doesn't know and I didn't want to cycle it either . Yeah but you have to embrace it . Yeah , I just let him come to me on it .
Well , and you didn't want to scare him either .
No , yeah , no , I did , I did not . So I started , like I said , I started doing some research to bring mediums in . They wanted anywhere at the cheap range was 500 , all the way up to a couple thousand , and we just couldn't afford it at the time . We just can't afford that .
Um , so my , my husband's I call my , my school , my church , and he went to Methodist Church . So I call them , I tell them what's going on and they're like well , we won't come to your house , but you could come over here and we'll pray for you , mike . Okay , that does me no good , I need you at my house . They wouldn't do that .
So then I call my husband , tell him that well then , that made him even more angry that his church that he had gone to since he was a baby in baptized , wouldn't even come to help . So I'm Catholic , but I had not been . I hadn't been a good Catholic and been practicing . Let's just say that .
It's hard to be a good Catholic .
Yeah , and then I had him got the kids baptized . I just we hadn't done , we're just living life and surviving at that mode .
¶ Haunted House
So I told Mike , I was like I'm calling the Catholic Church and so I called the one in in Carney and I remember the secretary . She's like , well , what do you want to talk to the priest about ? And it's like , okay , what do I tell her ? If I tell her the truth , she could actually think I'm nuts . What do I have to lose at this point ?
So I told the , the secretary is like well , I'd like to talk to the priest because I think my house is haunted . I think my there's ghost in my house that are trying to kill my son .
I remember saying that yeah , it's a weird sentence to get out .
Yeah , and the lady's like oh .
Yeah , no big deal . Let me put you through to that department .
Yeah . So the priest and father Al , he was wonderful , he was like a gift of God . And I tell him Everything that was going on . I told him , like my husband's depression . I told him what Tyler's seeing . I tell him how I've been a bad Catholic . You know the whole . Yeah , I was such a bad Catholic . I even got married in Vegas .
You know I didn't do it right . You know everything I was like , but I promised to do better . Now Can you please come clear my house , um ? And he said I'll be there tonight at 7 pm and I'm like oh , yeah , oh . You know the other place where my husband been , whose whole life , won't even give us the time of day .
Well , this guy's never met us and he's gonna kind of our house at 7 pm .
Okay , had to be a huge relief just to hear that . Just to do , you know yes like , okay , now we got somebody else that's not only believing me , but yeah , possibly help us .
Absolutely so . My mom is like the holier than now . I always kind of put my mom in that pedestal . So I tell my mom about it and my mom's like I'll come over as well . And she had holy water that had been blessed from Jerusalem . So she came over to . She was sitting . Like I said , we have a split level , multiple level house .
She was sitting in the kitchen , which was upstairs . Father Al comes to the door and I remember when he came to Doria at the smile on his face but he kept looking around and it was kind of weird the way he was looking around . He wasn't even in our house yet but we let him in and he went into our living room . My mom remained upstairs .
She can't walk real good , so she just stayed upstairs . Mike and I were downstairs with Father Al and he was . We kind of just told him the story by his depression , what Tyler's been seeing , we didn't know what was going on .
Well , he showed us that he had brought some Holy water to that had been blessed and kind of find out it had been blessed where my mom's water was too . Wow in Jerusalem , yes , oh it was like that's kind of cool , yeah , well , then my mom says Julie , come here . And I'm like mom , not now . Hello , father Al's here Trying to get my house cleared .
And she's like Julie now , which is not like my mom at all . So I'm like okay , excuse me , mike stayed downstairs in living room with father Al . I go upstairs to my mom like mom , what , what the fuck ? And she's like Did you not hear that ? I'm like no , and she said something's going on in Tyler's room .
So my mom walks with me , we go to Tyler's room and , if you remember me saying , his dresser is tall , this kid is short , he hasn't been on a grue , he just hit the gross scale and he's 14 , if that tells you anything .
Okay , yeah , and I mean just to back up are the kids home ?
at Jordan is in California .
So Tyler's on .
Tyler was not home at that . At the first meeting we had him go over to a friend's house to while father Al came over and our daughter was at a friend's house too . Again , she was like two years old , so she's really clueless to all that we hear something in .
So I walked towards Tyler's room , which is very long hallway , and the picture as st Jude had been knocked down and the candle I had lit on the dresser Was in the hallway .
Oh geez .
And that all happened when father Al came in our house .
So something I always I mean once again just watching stories , it's it's like whatever entity or spiritual thing is going on , when you know you bring a priest over , when you start stepping it up , it almost seems like they start stepping it up .
Absolutely , and I think , yes , I think that's that's so fascinating .
It's like that there's a pattern to it . I mean , yes , there's always a pattern to these stories and I don't think we've We've completely figured it out . I don't think we know much about it at all , but there's . There always seems to be that element of like okay , you want war , I got war for you .
Uh-huh , yes , and they were ready to take it all on wow . Yes , so you know , I cleaned up the candle . There's wax , there's a wax trail . Um , all the way from one end of his room until the hallway , the st Jude picture knocked down . I put that back up . My mom stayed in the room and I think she was doing some prayers . She had her rosary with her .
Um , I went back down there with father Al and my husband and I didn't say anything to father Al about it , I just kind of listened and he , we just kind of gave him our , our life story . Um , then he went around each room and he blessed each room and then he did a prayer for each of us but one , and then invited us to start coming to church .
Um , again , my husband was Methodist but he was very upset that the Methodist church wouldn't help us and our time in needs and Mike's like you know what , forget it , I'm gonna , uh , I'm gonna join the Catholic church . They were there , they helped us . So that's what he ended up . We ended up starting going regularly to church there .
Yeah , well , that makes sense .
Absolutely Well . After Father Al left , we really didn't feel anything . It was just , you know , okay , it was just like a regular visit . We didn't think nothing of it . That night Tyler came into our room again and he said that Jimmy and Charlie kept talking really loudly and wouldn't let him sleep .
Oh , geez . Yes , that's horrifying . I mean , through all of this , does this just make the hairs on your neck stand up ?
As you just don't know where to turn . You know , it's not like we could go sell our house . We weren't financially set like that , like okay , you know we're going to give up , you know , a $350,000 house ? No , we got to fix something here , Mike had gone to work a couple days later and again he's got this depressed , angry . Look on his face .
You see him . You don't want to approach him , type . You can just feel that . And this the guy that was one guy that approached him at work sells houses on the side and that's how we ended up buying our house . And Travis goes up to Mike and is like Matt , mike , you know what the fuck's wrong with you ? Why are you so angry ?
He was messing with him when he said it . And Mike's like dude , not now . And Travis is like dude , seriously , what's going on ? And Mike's like I haven't slept much , I'm dealing with a lot . He sold us a fucking haunted house , so get the fuck away from me . So Mike told him and he's like what do you mean ?
And Mike starts telling him about what we're dealing with that house . He's like hey , I've got some people that will come and we'll do it for free , because they do this . They have real jobs . One's an engineer , two of them are teachers , husband and wife , and they do this on the side . They're not wanting to make money , they're just interested .
And Mike's like give Julie the information . So Travis ends up messaging me with them with their contact info . So I end up messaging them and I talked to them . We kept conversing back and forth , text messaging , and then Facebook , instagram messaging .
They finally agreed to kind of take our case on and we had a date to where we were going to do like a phone interview . And it was like a week before they could do this
¶ Discovering the History of Our House
phone interview . I remember that Well . At that time I kept doing research on our house . I got the first people in the 1700s from Thomas Jefferson who signed a land grant to the first owners of our house . I mean I have every information of faucet . I can tell you everything that happened on our house and our land where our house is good .
I'm learning more and more about Jimmy , the Johnson family . It was one of the only murders that occurred in Carney , which was actually called centerville at the time . I'm learning how bad of anger this man had . Tyler was not wrong . I'm learning how Jimmy and Charlie died .
I mean , I'm learning all sorts of stuff and it's just like hitting me , it was of an overload . Every day I was learning more and more stuff .
And are you talking to I mean , besides obviously , the priest and this team of ghost hunters ? Are you talking to anyone else about this really ?
No , my mom , I did talk to my mom because they're going to look at me like I'm just fucking nuts .
Well , understandably right . I mean because you might have done the same thing like before all of this happened . Yeah , that's the kind of crazy part about this . So you just keep finding out more and more and it's corroborating everything your son is telling you and there's no way on earth that he could know this stuff . Yeah , that's what always catches me .
It's like when you put the kids in it like that you couldn't tell them the story to retell it , you couldn't feed them that lie .
No , wow , we live in small town , kearney , missouri . One of the original founders last name is Greenfield , and the Greenfields were connected to our land . There's a Greenfield big housing addition even , but they had their original house was where our house stood and it was cattle .
They were raising cattle and they would sell cattle down to the stockyards in Kansas City stockyards . So again , I'm learning more and more . And this was like the late 1800s to early 1900s . Well , I learned . I mean , again , I went all the way from seventh and jumping , so please forgive me , I went from the 1700s I had to 1900s to where we are now .
I mean it was over . It was very much an overload . I did find it fascinating and I'm still fascinated today . I still try to find stuff . The original owner of our house was married , was a fur trader and was married to an Indian lady , a Sue Indian , and I found where he was buried .
I found where their kids would bury , but I never found her , which I always found that odd . She ended up staying on the land and , I believe , dying on the land , but we never . You just Indian culture , tradition . They may have buried her in a different way compared to the kids or her husband .
Yeah , yeah , just cultural differences .
Absolutely , absolutely . Now the second owner of our land was another had married another Indian lady , which I felt it was weird . There was so much Indian connection there too . When her husband died she stayed on the land and the new owners allowed her to live with them Again . They were and this is like 1830s to 1840s .
Women , let alone Indian women widows weren't allowed to own land or anything . So it ended the land ended up going to being sold , but they allowed her to stay there Like as a house servant is how she ended up staying on the land . She did not want to leave it because I read different stories and books in the Clay County register .
She was in the genealogy department that had really cool , interesting stories that she had written like journals entries . So I was able to get different faucets of people's life and I learned a lot about our town . I will say that I didn't realize Carney was actually called Centerville back then . It had been renamed after the Civil War .
Yeah .
After she passed , I don't know , the second Indian lady passed , don't know where she ended up buried either . So these two women , they're MIA , they're totally MIA . The new owners of the land ended up buying more cattle and they were buying land and just kept growing .
And these were the green fields , this was the green field family , and they ended up buying the opening up the first bank in Carney . I mean , they were just , they were buyers , they were trying to make money and I mean they were very successful at it as well . Well , they had the .
Ruth Greenfield was the original lady that lived on our land and it was a , you know , old farmstead type house , plantation house at the time . And I started doing some research on her and through ancestry and I ended up finding her nephew . He and I contacted him and kind of told him a little bit what was going on in our house .
Well , he ends up sending me all sorts of pictures of her and what our house looked like . Well , it's not our house by any means . It's just where our house stood , the land back . Then he sends me pictures of the cattle and how it all entered play . There was a horse track by our house . We had no idea .
I mean just again , I'm learning more and more stuff and it's history , so it's intrigues me as well . Well , I remember I printed out a picture of Ruth Greenfield and I put it on our kitchen island .
Then I had a picture of my grandmother , my great grandmother , and then just an old lady that I printed off the internet and I left it on the kitchen island and I was cooking dinner and Tai Tai comes in and he's full of energy and he runs in the kitchen real fast and we have hardwood floor , so he slid through and he crawls up on that kitchen island .
He looks at the pictures and he looks at me . He said , mommy , why do you have the picture of the old lady ? And I said what are you talking about ? He goes , this old lady , and he picks up the picture of Ruth Greenfield , greensfield , and I was like what do you ?
And this lady had Very thin lips , very curly , curly , curly hair and she had like a black dress and it had like a doily on top , like a lace that makes , if you can kind of visualize that .
Yeah , yeah .
And he shows me the picture and she's like standing in the field and you could see the cows and everything behind her . And I was like , do you know her , tai , tai ? He's like , yeah , she comes and spies on Charlie and Jimmy night , every night , every time we play . And I was like like . I was like is she mean to you ?
And he goes no , she's just annoying . And I was like , why do you say she's annoying ? Because because every time we start playing she starts yelling at them . Is what he tells me . And I was like , well , and you know , again , he's six . And I was like , well , maybe she's just playing with them , tyler , he goes . No , she does not like them .
And I said , well , how about the other people ? He's like I don't know who they are . He goes , all I know is this annoying lady and then he runs off .
Ok so did you . Did you set those up to try to get him to notice ?
Yeah .
OK , and it , and it worked .
Yeah , how would he yeah ?
exactly . So he's seeing these , yes , he's seeing this as well as hearing it .
And so now , now we've got Jimmy and Charlie , and now we have a little lady in my house .
And were they unrelated ?
She didn't know .
Jimmy and Charlie were brothers .
Right , yes , but . And so we got Jimmy and Charlie there , and now we have the Greenfield , greenfield .
Not related to Jimmy and Charlie .
No , no , jimmy and Charlie were there on the land first . This Greenfield came after .
Sure , yeah , that's strange .
Yes , it was . Yeah , I had to have a couple of drinks that night .
Let's say that's like a ghost party .
Pretty much at my expense . I'm hosting it too . Yeah , yeah , yeah . So I'm trying to figure out . You know what is going on , what do I do ? You know where do we go from here ? So I really was just trying to find out as much about Ruth Greenfield as I can , and she was a very prominent lady in Carney .
Their family is , like I said , there's a housing division that's named after in the bank they started the first bank here in Carney . I mean , it was so many avenues of this , of like this was taking us . Well then , the nephew of Ruth Greenfield since me , it was a receipt from the stockyard of sale of , you know , the cows from the Kansas City Stockyards .
So I'm and again my husband and I were communicating and I'm telling him everything I'm finding . Well , then he starts telling me kind of , find out , his uncle was a big trader in the stockyards and ended up knowing what did business with the Greenfields . So now we're in a whole different avenue here .
I mean , like I said , this just kept evolving , like how is this even possible ? I cannot remember my husband's . I think they called him Oki because he was originally from Oklahoma , that was . This is your husband's uncle .
Great , great uncle .
Great , great uncle .
Great , great uncle Okay .
That had moved from Oklahoma to here to the Liberty , yeah , and was doing stockyards . That's why he was making . His money was through the stockyards and he couldn't read or write or anything or anything . So he started . So then we're taking again , we're all going on a whole different direction here .
How is the Greenfields are now my husband's family is somehow connected to them . So then we start doing research on my husband's family and sure enough , they did do stockyard trading with the Greenfields and more than likely he was probably incarnate and could have come to our land . It was . It was just weird . Like I said , this just accomplished so much .
So the following week , I remember , I had the interview with the psychic mediums and I had it at work . I went into our conference room and I started . I did not tell them everything , I only talked to them . I only gave them cliff notes . I did not give them details of everything I had found because I really wasn't believing they were legit .
I just didn't believe . It's hard when you're going through it because you don't believe you're going through it either , but you know you're going through it . Yeah , it's a weird feeling .
And you're almost so . You're a little skeptical of them .
Absolutely .
Yeah , Absolutely Did that . Did that ? I mean you can tell the story , but did that eventually change ?
Oh yeah , absolutely . So we had it set for the ghost hunters to come like the following weekend . And I remember Mike , I made sure the kids were gone . They went to grandma's and then Mike was . They were coming on a Saturday night , they did not need us in the house , so I was going out with some of my wrestling moms birthday party .
My husband had to work on Sunday morning but they said that's fine , he can stay in the bedroom , we'll take care of everything else as long as you let us in , like okay . So we had everything set . They decided to come come , I think a little earlier than expected , which worked
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out . They came in the house and they kind of I remember when they came over the house there's three of them , it was a husband and wife and then their friend who was the engineer . The husband wife were teachers in a nearby city . They seem very nice people and they actually did not want me to tell them everything .
So when they came to our house , I remember they came , the door opened and I'll never forget the look on their face was the same look that father Al gave us . They looked around like holy shit . It was one of those looks and I remember the engineer guy looked at the what the the lady and he's like , do you feel it ? And she's like yeah .
And he's like , do you see it ? And she's like absolutely .
And Mike and I are creepy .
What the fuck . Yeah , that's nothing , we see nothing , and this is daylight , this is like five or six o'clock in the afternoon . So we do a tour around our whole entire house . We have a four bedroom house . We have a fairly good size backyard . We took them the backyard , I mean , we showed them everything .
And they're the man , the husband , teacher , he was more the investigator and taking notes . The wife and the engineer were the , the mediums and feeding off each other , and they're every room would go into . Oh , did you see that ? Oh , did you feel that ? Oh , my gosh , yes , I feel that . Oh my God , my arms , you know , here are my arms .
I mean , they're just every room we went into .
It's lighting up ? Yeah , they're just lighting up .
Absolutely .
So they're spiritually sensitive , a mediums spiritually sensitive , and that's maybe a lot like your son was .
Absolutely or is when they came in time to go in our bedroom . They didn't want to go in our bedroom and Mike and I are like I'm like this is you know where we sleep , and like oh yeah , we're good , we don't need to go in there . And you could tell like scared they did not want to go in there at all .
So what they ended up doing was they set all their equipment , they had multiple screens and they had the , you know those lights , the , not like the clap on lights , but the sensor to where you walk by . Then the light would turn on .
So they had those set up in the garage , my son's room , downstairs Tyler's room , of course , my daughter's room and the hallway and the kitchen . And I was going out .
My husband went out for dinner and then when he got home , he went into the bedroom and just closed the door and by this time it was like I don't know about nine o'clock because he might get up super early . Four , four , 30 ish . I was gone . They were doing their stuff . I text them on my way home , which was around midnight .
So now I'm on my way home , is it okay ? And they're like , yeah , come on home . So when I got there they had all their screens going and they told me how they pretty well think they know what's going on . Would I mind watching the screens while they go down into the garage ?
I'm like , okay , sure , so I'm watching the screens and they told me to text them if I saw any lights flickering or anything abnormal on the screen . They go down to the garage and by this time it's probably about one o'clock in the morning .
When they go down to the garage , I'm watching the screens , I look up and I see a light flickering in my hallway upstairs . So I text them . They answer back Okay , thank you . Keep us updated if it happens again .
Okay , these regular cameras , or they like that . I see they have infrared sometimes .
These are like sense yeah , it's infrared , but these also are like just they remind me of stuff you find like at the Dollar Tree or Dollar Store or two , or just like a little light sensor . Go , you walk by , the light goes on .
Okay , okay , oh , I understand the like motion detectors .
Thank you .
I can think of the word yes , Okay so you , they set up motion detectors and then you have a screen . What ? What's on the screen ?
Each bedroom , the hallway , the hallway . The only thing that was not on there was the was the garage , and they were there .
Okay .
Brouch . So I'm I mean , I text him probably six , seven times hey , hallway light going on . They told me they would probably be down in the base in the garage for at least a couple hours . They were up within 30 minutes . So they come up and I'm like I made a joke , because to me I'm still not buying into everything and I just made a joke .
I'm like , oh , did you find the ghost ? And they're like they look at each other like , oh shit , do we say anything ? And they're like , yeah , do you want us to tell you now ? And I'm like , yeah , tell me what's going on . And they tell me . And they're looking at each other . They're just constantly like scared to talk .
They don't want to tell me anything . And they're like , well , let us put our stuff away . So by this time it's probably close to two-ish . They finished packing their stuff and I'm still sitting there like , okay , why can't they just talk to me and tell me what's going on ?
They're about to tell you just how weird this is . Yes , that's , that's kind of what I'm guessing . What comes next ? Yes is going to be like we want to leave right after we tell you this .
Yes , absolutely .
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So they tell , they tell me how they need to talk to me , but they need to talk to me in the middle of the street , outside , not on the property . So I'm like , okay , so they're like , and I remember I like I said I'd been out , I had my McDonald's . I still eat my McDonald's . I will never forget I have double cheeseburger and french fries .
So I left my food , went into the . We , all three of all , four of us , then three and then myself . We walk into the middle of the street and by this time it's 2 , 30 in the morning , 237 .
I actually remember that Leave in the leave in the living room , going in the middle of the street , and it's dark , by all means 2 , 30 in the morning , and I'm like we cannot tell you in the house what's going on . And I'm like , okay , and they're like there's multiple facets going on in your house . You have multiple entities .
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