3 | Tree Time

The Red Weather is a work of fiction. Any resemblance to actual persons or events reflects the adaptation of real, publicly available materials for creative and legal reasons. The content of this podcast is the sole responsibility of Red Weather LLC and does not reflect the views of responsibilities of iHeartMedia or its affiliates. Previously on The Red Weather in nineteen ninety five, my neighbor and a trainer disappeared from a commune.

So this guy was called the Father or something creepy like that. Very much polyamory, kind of like dude has a bunch of wives kind of thing.

I was with Anna's sister Willow that night.

If you were on the TenderHearts property, then none of the adults were there.

They were all on the Sunrise seance hike.

Yeah, it was only a few days before their Tenderheart's alibi at Felippart.

What are you saying that they weren't at the Sunds, not all of them?

Good morning, good morning, good morning. I have.

Tucked myself into a little space by.

The wood shed, out of the rain.

I think it's a perfect place and a perfect time for a ramble.

This is Elrick Light aka Eric Lidsky, the man who founded a commune next to me when I was a kid.

Anyone here that's living with us on this beautiful homestead here in Sebastopol will tell you. I'm very particular about my spots. I have a big believer that there are positive spots and that there are not so positive spots.

These were recorded sometime between nineteen eighty eight and nineteen ninety two, while he walked in the woods or sat in meadows places I might have been roaming around in two me and Willow.

Take this with you, suit along to these people if you can. And many of these people that we're discussing with heart and hearts aren't ready to hear the message. And that's fine. Sometimes it's enough to deliver the message.

But between the lectures or sermons, there are human moments that are really specific.

There's an owl I've named him Jabberwaukee.

And sometimes bizarre.

Why do I rock nicely? Why do I rock myself? Do I rock myself to sleep at night? What's the difference?

I kept listening waiting for something. I'm not sure what. It's not like he was suddenly going to start talking about human sacrifice or mentioned and a trainer. In fact, he doesn't mention any names.

Let it fall, let it fall, let it fall, let it fall, let it fall, and be free, Be free.

But his commitment is intense, and sometimes the line between a sermon and something more personal gets blurry.

I've done bad things, I know what, just like you, Just like all of you, I sit and I pretend.

And because I want to be.

That vision of.

What I know, I am capable of being.

So I pretend.

I know what.

I'm gonna do it again. No, I don't want to do it again. I'm going to do it again.

Again. I don't want to do it again.

When I went home to look into Anna's disappearance, I knew I was going to have to learn as much as I could about el Rick and the collective he ran called Tender Hearts. Since Anna lived there before she vanished in nineteen ninety five, I figured things would get a little new age, spiritual, little hippie dippy. But I never expected what I did find. I am actor and filmmaker, right or strong. This is the red weather. Okay, let's try this again. I was a week into going back

We have one building for the whole county.

You're a meddlin. You're a medling.

My buddy Chris was helping me. You're like every housewife with a Facebook page who's playing Internet sloop.

She's got a theory.

So why don't I, you know, even if it's a complete nothing burger, why don't I bring them a pager? Okay, so you're going to go to the sheriff with a busty pager that your dead dog buried. I knew Chris was right. I had already admitted to the cops that I had lied to them when I was fifteen, and so if I was ever going to get their help and learning about the case, I had to play it cool. Going back over the details about that night, I really begun to think that Anna's boyfriend Mick had something to

It was only a few days after Anna was missing that the seance story it fell apart.

A few of the women came forward. So where was he and what did that mean for the investigation? And who were Tender Hearts in the first place. When I started interviewing friends, I quickly realized I knew very little about their alternative living situations. Orion's commune had failed. Almost immediately.

The community kind of got a little more contentious and a little more distance and kind of factioned off.

You know, my mom describes it kind of just like, you know, not really lasting.

There were a lot of strong personalities out there, you know, people who want to get away from it all.

I think have some strong reasons sometimes.

And I didn't realize that my friend Cole's parents actually met when his dad was handing out pamphlets for a cult in San Francisco.

I don't think lasted.

It didn't last, and it's like, hey, let's build a spaceship form much into the eighties. It was called Stell and they had a charismatic leader that was quite questionable, but the plan was to build a spaceship to escape the end of the world in two thousand and four. Obviously it came and gone, but I'm pretty sure kind of folded up when it realized that rocket building was hard.

The tender hearts weren't that unusual for the area. But of course, once Anna disappeared. There were a lot of questions about them.

A big part of the problem was they were just secretive. They didn't want to talk to the cops. I mean, they didn't trust anybody, but they really didn't trust authority figures.

They had been targeted before by Maldon Auto specifically.

Yeah.

Yeah, we had them up on a few violations. They had problem with one of their neighbors, had to do with with a truck or something.

There was some argument over noise and they took the tires off a neighbor's tractor.

That escalated to some incidents with animals.

They had lamas. Oh that's right, I remember them.

Yeah, Well, some of those lamas would get out and then they'd get sick.

At some point, there were accusations about poisoning. Well, I just remember, you gotta understand.

I get out there and I'm just I'm there to calm the situation, you know, cool it down a little bit. But you got a group of women, very very angry women in there. They're topless, some of them even buttoning.

If there was a confrontation or if someone walked on to the property. The women of Tender Hearts liked to enact what they called a skin bombing.

They'd go out and nake it. I kind of love the It was a very specific, non violent tactic.

It throws you off, you know, put you on guard, and I'm not talking about it in a good way.

One thing about growing up in West County, if there was ever a gathering of some sort, there was always at least one person naked. A lot of confusing messages.

A lot of it was like, you know, people are swimming, or you know, like you got a pool and people, you know, we were in the.

Hot tub pool or whatever.

My parents' friends were definitely hippies and of the casually nude variety when there was any call for it.

It was part of the culture, a general belief in who needs clothes? Be natural. It wasn't threatening or anything, but still as casual as I think the adults wanted it to be. When you're a kid, you could never not notice it. If Will and I went to that like main area, the kind of deck that wasn't finished, that with the boards laid on the ground, there might be someone naked because.

They had an outdoor shower that was right there. Yes, And I always felt like it was a little weird.

But I didn't feel like I could say it was weird.

You know, because if you did, you would be lame.

But beyond the skin bombing and fights with neighbors, I wanted to know what they were all about. I found a historian who specializes in intentional communities, which I learned is the newer preferred term for a commune.

Hey, how great. Thanks.

Howard Tripp is the author of two books, counter Topia, which covers the communities of the nineteen sixties and seventies, and West of Eden, which chronicles the rise and fall of small religious sects in the area.

I hope you don't mind my little friends.

You are right with that.

Oh yeah.

Howard's other hobby is ants. Yeah, so, how long have you been farming them?

It's been I mean it's been over a decade.

He has an entire wall of his house that is a series of ant farms, or, as I learned, they're called former carrea.

But one of the things I've always been fascinated by ICs.

Oh like, that's like pheromones, right, right, exactly.

But you're talking about how an individual ant senses the world around them, the perception of what's real, what's happening.

It can be altered completely like a drug.

Even more than that, it's it's their actual sense of reality. It's not you'll have like a colony, right thin get invaded and they start working for another species.

They don't even know why, and they're just as happy. They just just want to do Tripid research tender Hearts for his books, but they ultimately didn't make the cut.

Well, if we're talking about the major communities from Sonoma County, Headwinds, morning Star, the Farm before they went to Tennessee, you're talking about these are much bigger operations groups that were formalized in ways that Tender Hearts they could never really get it together.

Well, how many people were in it? It's like, oh wow, yeah, very small.

But then for your second book, wouldn't they have counted as a spiritual group?

You yeah, you would think that's uh, that's the sixty four thousand dollars question, isn't it meaning?

Were they even technically a religion? Did they have a belief system?

I know, I know what this looks like.

These don't judge.

Trip has an entire guest house behind his main house. It's full of books and papers.

Okay, here are some of Elerick's newsletters.

Cool, we have these signs they put up.

Yeah, and there are tapes of this lecture series.

Oh wait, what really recordings?

Yeah, yeah somewhere.

Oh my god, I would.

Love to hear those, Which is how I got ten hours of el Ric light talking.

Well, let's just jump into it.

We'll start with our invocation.

As we always do.

I am of the Earth.

From the earth. I burn with a fire inside that I promised to maintain, with the thick skin and a tender heart.

I actually found the tapes kind of soothing. There's definitely a lot of jargon. Elrick liked to make up his own terms.

This is what we might call skymine is not the only directo. Locusts and arrive at the choiceless awareness.

Elric is earnest, thoughtful.

We can absorb energetic facts by existing in in what Castanano would call the the kernel of non ordinary reality.

And he goes out of his way to reject his own authority.

No, I am not York or.

I am not anyone's savior.

One of the most exciting moments is when he gets frustrated with his recording equipment.

My ankles burst under the weight of ill consumed mother fucking dammit. Really, Mike was off the whole time. My ankles burst under the weight of ill conceived compulsions, and I limped my way, like the hurried hair past Alice into wonderland where only those with thrones and axes reigned.

What are you living for? Where are you going? Late?

Late?

Always late for?

What? For?

What?

For what? It's not real?

None of it is real.

You have been tricked, You've been lied too.

This section, like when he says he's going to do it again, feels raw, emotional and personal, but otherwise for ten tapes, Elric is a teacher. He stays abstract and philosophical. A unique worldview does evolve a metaphysics. He's inspired a little by Krishna Murdi and a lot by Carlos Castanetta. There's this belief in the positive power of psychedelic drugs and something he calls tree Time, which begins with the story of him being high on mescaline.

Minutes can feel like hours, seconds could be a lifetime.

But it gets somewhere kind of interesting. A baby cries.

She cries if she's hungry or stared, and in that moment she might think this feeling will never end.

But as we grow, we grow into a different time consciousness.

Oh my gosh, so time moves faster as you get older.

Listen, if you consider a human life and you put it on a scale of the semper baus.

That's what he called redwoods, Of course he did.

That's from their scientific name, or their Latin binomial sequoia sempaveerans.

We're talking about three thousand years.

And in that context, what's a day?

What's a day?

What's a year?

In three time seasons? Last three days.

All of American history would happen before you were eight years old. A child who would be born grow to be twelve in the span of a summer vacation.

What is dude talking about time perception?

He's scaling a human life up to a redwood tree. And look, I did the math. Of course, he's actually right. If you take one hundred years or the best human lifespan, sure, and you stretch that over three thousand, it's thirty times. So one hour is thirty hours. Just over a day, that's one point two five days. And yes, a month would go by in a day, winter would last three days.

So all of his comparisons are exactly right. You need a break, probably, Yeah.

Imagine wisdom that scale the inside.

Well, from the outside, it looked like your classic guru cult situation.

Yeah, well, I mean if it's all the tropes, right, Oh, yes, absolutely. You've got a charismatic leader, he's got a new spiritual take on life, and he runs off. He has a bunch of.

Whys, right right, right right, Except none of that, none of what you actually just said was actually true.

Those are all lies. When I started this podcast, one of my main questions about Tender Hearts, which was kind of naive, was was it a commune or was it a cult? It turns out neither, and those categories are kind of fuzzy to begin with.

Had ideas later on, it's not how it started.

It turns out Tender Hearts didn't begin as a religion or a political movement or even a philosophy.

It grew out of a woman shelter.

Really before he found a Tender Hearts, Eric Letsky was an employee of the Pavilion House. Pavilion was at the forefront of a wave of shelters that sprung up in the late seventies with what was then a pretty radical idea that women might need their own place, a designated shelter away from men.

He helped run the whole thing until eighty five eighty six.

They were your classic San Francisco liberals, in your face and aggressive.

Eleric got into trouble with the city officials.

Four protesters were arrested today outside city Hall amidst ongoing tensions between the city council and the Pavilion House.

The distinction between a homeless shelter and a domestic violence center was a blurry line that was still being worked out, and in the early eighties, the owners of Pavilion wanted to expand the shelter by allowing men to join, but for some of the women and Elric, this was anathema. It was a split in the Pavilion organization. There was Elric on one side and the owners and city officials on the other. Around the same time, Elrick came into some money.

The assumption is that maybe one of his parents or perhaps grandparents passed away, but nobody knows for sure.

So he pulled up stakes, left the city and bought fifty acres in West Sonoma County. The fifty acres right next to my parents, and so the women were.

He got them off from the shelter, them personally and their kids to come live off the land.

Besides Anna and Willow, there were only a few other kids. I remember a boy named Josiah and a girl named Francis, and maybe one more. We called them grammets.

I felt antagonized by them. I felt like they were actively annoying to us. I think we might have just been hating on younger kids.

They were wild, right, I mean, you know, it was like they were just kind of roaming free, and they were a pack, like I definitely remember it being a pack. It's like just a group of like loud, dirty kids, like and they had attitude, like they were strong. Basically, it's like an outdoor version of a women's shelter.

Yeah, it was like a camp or a farm for women escaping domestic violence.

Everything I learned about Tender Hearts, but especially this, made it even more important that I get in touch with Anna and Willow's mom, Laaney. I'd always thought of her as some sort of New age counter cultural seekers her, But if she came from a women's shelter in San Francisco, if she was escaping an abusive situation and brought her daughters to raise them in the woods. That's a very different person, Laney, Hi, it's rather or strong.

How are you. I hope you're doing all right.

For weeks I'd left messages. Weirdly, this new understanding of the tender hearts was more radical and ahead of its time than any of Elric's professed insights like tree Time or Directo Locust. He was actually creating what nowadays you would call a safe space for women. But we didn't know any of that. Anybody local just saw a polygamous cult, and interestingly Elrick and the women let that happen.

So these, if you could see, they would post these all around the town.

Oh wow, Elric started spreading his teachings. So I'm looking at there's a drawer of a kind of elephant plant person.

What else?

What do you see?

All right?

Well, there's text.

No look closer.

What are you missing? I don't know what is it?

It's a lotus position?

Oh yeah, all right, so it says you are a goddess Gaya shakti terra isis what do you see all around the world? Women of sounder minds and tender hearts insight isn't oriental, nor is it western. Elrick light offers only the sacred, in the universal, the divine, feminine. Oh and then there's there's an address and a telephone number.

Yeah.

Ye.

People had people subscribing from all across the country, Like how many are they?

Hundreds, maybe thousands. But locally the postings made them notorious, and there were times when they could have easily spoken out, but they let the rumors spread, which is actually a brilliant way to keep people out of your business. Like skin bombing. Allowing people to think they were a cult ensured that outsiders, men in particular, stayed away. So the question is, did Elrick believe this stuff?

No?

No, really. For his part, Maldonado is adamant.

No.

No, A con is a con is a con A lot of make your money, a lot to cover your tracks, and you just keep online.

But when I listen to the tapes, Elrick seems earnest to me.

He was definitely having some kind of experience out there in the whips right. Probably started with secular intentions to live together on a farm, and then Eleric started reflecting on things. He starts thinking rearranging places in his mind and having new ideas that he has to share.

But there was a pressing issue.

It's really common among these intentional communities unless you have a donation or best case, a tithing system that everyone agrees on, right, someone has to pay the bills for the TenderHearts.

At first, that meant getting jobs. Laney work a safeway what I can't No Connor, who lives in England, remembered this. I can't even imagine her.

Yeah, I know, I know, but I swear I remember seeing her in a reflective vest in the parking lot, like collecting carts.

But the jobs weren't enough, and so TenderHearts did what most everyone in Sonoma County did in the nineties.

I mean, I would say in Sonoma, Mendosino, Humboldt, maybe thirty forty percent, almost half of the communities are funded by weed.

Hence the cannabis that was in the barn the night that Anna.

Disappeared, and it was all just sitting in that barn.

This opened up a whole new avenue because if Elrick was lying to the cops about where he was that night, was he trying to protect the fact that he was growing marijuana?

I thirty forty five minutes. Thank you, Lennie.

Could Anna have been killed because of like a drug that?

I mean, it's just weed that was a huge deal back then. He's right.

This was the era of Camp.

It's a theme that is reminiscent of those you see in war zones, but this is California and the enemies are marijuana.

Grow Camp was the campaign against marijuana planting, a multi agency task force that launched in nineteen eighty three. They were a paramilitary organization with helicopters and machine guns.

They were hardcore.

So does that mean that people were smoking pot around us? Does that mean that they would have been smoking pot from tender hearts? Undoubtedly?

Undoubtedly.

So then who were some we know somebody who bought weed from them or sold for them?

Like, do we know any drug dealers? I mean, do you remember anybody, Hilo, We're trying.

To remember who sold weed back in the day. I feel like there was an older guy. God, it was like it was like there was Jim. He wasn't drug I don't think so. But there was a guy who was always hanging out at the Hesse building.

He had like a battery nickname like Bunny that's copper talk. He is not a drug dealer. It was like that motorcycle. No, No, that guy was totally who.

Was the gu There was a guy not a name like that, like a DJ name, and he used to sell to all the skater kids.

Remember rip hits was the thing.

Yes, yes, that was not his name, but that's what that's what they called him.

That's what we called Do you think we could find him? I could we find him. I could find him. I think I could find him.

So the other day, when I told you about willow burning the weed, is this what you meant when you said that the tender hearts weren't all kumbaya and butterflies.

And they were always alive.

Just to front, this was a criminal drug dealing operation. That's true, but a little reductive because when I finally got the transcripts of el Rick's interrogations, I realized Maldonado wasn't giving me the whole story.

Chris, there, they're here.

I got an email from Sheriff Lachlan with a PDF attachment. They had a watermark across every page, are strong and they were a total mess. The names were hard to figure out because everyone was designated by their initials.

Oh okay, so RM seems like he's the one in charge of That'sonado and two many guys working with me.

It would have been Kadio. He headed up anything with grow operations or substances. He was kind of like our vice squad. And then, uh, I think I put Orrin. Yeah, I put Bob Orrin as my ol leite.

She sent me like, there's a couple interviews with a few different people. Look, this one is actually your neighbors. Then, dude, this is me. This is a transcript of me getting interviewed. No, yes, look it's quote.

No.

We were at Connor's house, right, and Willow was with you. Yes, and you didn't hear anything, not until the news.

Connor's mom made.

Us pancakes, and she told you about the fire. Yet, Oh my god, she put my interviews in here?

Who did uh? Lachlan the shriff? She sent me my own transcripts. The why. I don't know just what to say. You lied. We have a record of you lying.

You.

She also didn't include any of the interviews with Mick Bowden. It was only me and Eleric. It looks like there's four different ones here. Oh here the ceremony. Does that involve the kids? And he goes no. They press him, why not something you don't want them to see?

And el Rick says absolutely not. Okay, now we got we got three women, three of your.

Women, your women, by the way, on the record, and they say you weren't there at all. You let off the blessing, the wind song or whatever it's called. And they didn't see you until Wednesday. At some points Elrick got defensive, there is nothing wrong with taking a hike to see a sunrise?

Is there?

And Maldon outto says that depends, and Elerck goes, how there is nothing.

Do you go to church?

The other cop is like, I have no problem with the hike, and Eleric he's not letting go.

You go to a church and pray.

You go into a building, we go outside. That's the difference. That's the only difference. And it's a good point, it's sweet point. His dialogue definitely could use a punch up.

It's not dialogue. Wait, we should.

Do this as a reading. Yes, we printed out two copies. Yes, all right, I'm the cops both of of course you don't have anymore. I'm gonna pick up the slack.

Brainwashing ladies is one thing.

Why are you doing a New York character?

Brainwashing the ladies is one thing. But the kids, you get their checks footsteps. Rick says, I don't steal from kids.

We had a ranch, Bob when was he a few years?

Eleven kids? Eleven kids and none was in school. All of the Tender Hearts kids go to school.

No electricity checks come in every month, and these kids are put out to the fields.

It was it was their bulls come to life and these pull fish. It's coming in from the fields. What are they talking about? No idea? Okay, they're talking about the sex.

Some situation where they arrested other people with a bunch of kids. It seems like they were trying to catch Elrick admitting the Tender Hearts was making money off welfare. Then they start fishing about drugs.

Here we go, okay, this is this is classic good cutback Cup moving into the killer. Tell us about the guys.

At Jenna, Yeah, tell us what the guys at Jenna.

The god degener is definitely drug stuff.

Alric says, I don't know who you're talking about.

I am this is definitely where they would slap the taken. Just read it. Come me, please. If you weren't up the hill, I'm not saying I wasn't.

We know you weren't.

Why don't you tell us about Tubers? What down at Tubers?

There's a guy damned daily you know, I'm talking about the lineless of dum sliless.

Sometimes if I talk damn, what's he gonna tell me? You don't know about Thursdays at tubas? The garden bodies? Did you order the code red?

All right?

Do you want answers? I want the truth?

Stop it?

And Lerrick isn't even talking anymore.

This is I don't know what love this garden party shit?

Oh dude, oh this is that's sad.

It took some rereading and a bit of research for Chris and I finally figured out what was going on. Tubers and garden parties were about bars and hookup spots in the area. The cops were fishing for Leric to admit something they had suspicions about, not the weed dealing, not the fact that maybe he was lying about this whole cult, that he was gay. Elrick. So he did leave the seance.

He went down to the East Bay, where he met up with this man named Lucas Park who.

Was it turns out, an ex boyfriend. In reality, this shouldn't be shocking. We're talking about an outspoken feminist political activist in the heart of a very liberal, very gay friendly city, which is I guess exactly why there's something heart wrenching here. Could stand up for women, for counterculture, could be brave and outspoken about so much, but he was still crippled by shame and fear regarding his sexuality. How many of the women knew none of them.

They knew he wasn't interested in them, but they figured it was all part of his vouels celebacy.

I actually heard this on the recordings. He talks about the power of intracourse.

Inter is between for among intras within a contained.

Entity, polyamorous cult that wasn't Polly or a cult, a pioneering feminist commune led by a gay man who didn't come out of the closet. So the tender hearts were complicit and letting the world think they were something they weren't. This multi wife sex colt. They let that deception stand, but they were also deceived from within, and perhaps the most salient point for Maldonado in nineteen ninety five, and for us now couldn't have killed DNA.

Well, I mean, the confirm that Elrick was with Park all night and into the next morning. So first story was a lie, new alibi, it was salad.

And as for the tender hearts, that's yeah, that's pretty much all she wrote. The women dwindled over the next year or so. Al Eric left for months at a time, and then there was nobody there anymore. The land itself eventually sold to one of our neighbors who has since passed away. So as far as I know, it's in some kind of probate limbo, all right, experiment.

Tender hearts exist today? Right?

Hell yeah, dude, me and like fifty naked chicks running around the woods getting to know each other physically.

Ok.

Do I get to have sex with a tender hearts specifically?

But just a communal situation where you're sharing resources and living off the land, raising your.

Kids do their sounds like a nightmare.

Sounds pretty great to me, And I don't think I'm alone. Even with his own experience growing up on a failed one, Oriyan is optimistic.

I mean, I feel like it's a little bit of a coming full circle in a way. You know, I got very very interested in some modern form of co living and you share resources, you have a shared garden, and you have a shared kitchen and co working space for parties and whatever else, and it's like, seems pretty idyllic. So it feels like I'm kind of like trying to

Oh stop, think about that type people who want in on this thing. They're not easy going people. They're not cool people. No, they're vegans. There's social justice sumiers. But you also got independent, critical thinkers.

Artists, prescientious dirty drug addicts.

Look at your boy, Howard, Look at your boy. How do you want to move in with him and his aunts.

Yeah, you got to live communally with him and his insects as well.

No no, no, Communism failed, but like socialism failed.

Rider. Okay, there's a reason, dude, you ended up going to boarding school. What does that have to do with anything.

Chris spent the second half of high school, starting our junior year in New Jersey at a boarding school So, dun't your mom send you there because you know you needed a different situation because you were being bullied.

Oh, I would know the bullied stuff. That's not why I went there.

Okay, I'm just saying that the normal all American public school childhood didn't work out for you. So you know you needed something, You needed an alternative, and I think a lot of us do.

Most of us want something different. You're drinking the kool aid, man, go go live in tree time.

In nineteen ninety six, el Rick left Sebastopool went back to San Francisco.

There were signs of some political involvement, some classes taught at some illness centers and retreats.

But after Anna, he mostly vanished from the public.

Not like these moments when it's just.

You and I.

Strange, stupid little medium of tape recorded.

He died in two thousand and one cancer. Hold on, what is this? After our dramatic reading, I was looking back over the transcripts.

Look at that?

Oh who said that?

It was a single line quote? R M. What do you know? The Swami turns out to be a faggot. That's Maldonado man. Oh, that's gross.

Was that after he left the room or is that when he was still in there?

I think it's after. I don't know what's worse. Seeing that sentence, it suddenly brought into focus where the investigators were coming from. These are the people whose official job it was to find out what happened to Anna. They didn't like the tender hearts, they didn't like that they did drugs, they didn't like that Elrick was gay. But none of those things on their own are any real justification for suspicion. That sucks, man, really, and you're gonna

Why don't we meet out there at the property.

We had some strawberries from Andre stand out there by wagon.

I'll show you what we found.

I didn't know what to think. Maldonado was being helpful. He was one of the few people who seemed like he actually cared that I was looking back at this case. And then, to make things worse, Chris got a voicemail.

It was from Sparks.

Chris, what up, man, It's Davie H.

Sparks mcnight back in the.

Day time for the time.

Brother.

Anyway, Yeah, I'll talk to rider. Uh, you know, I got stories. I got inside Infomaion for real though. You want to talk and a trainer, you got to talk about those fuckers detecting that shit Baldonado.

Come on, man, dude was a fool.

Well, I got I got some stuff for you. My boy.

Oh man, my boy, Mick. You know he was my boy. But damn kid.

Got a pass.

You got a pass anyway, Yeah, man, hit me up. Let's get a drink.

I'll lay it all on you.

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