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The Readout

Development Intelligence Labwww.devintelligencelab.com

The Readout is a podcast hosted by the Development Intelligence Lab.


At the Lab, we’re tackling the big issues of development cooperation in the Indo-Pacific. We take one gnarly issue at a time, gather the best of the best from the region, Government, and academia, and dive deep to unpack the issue – and find the way forward.


And our favourite part of these projects is the conversations we have along the way. So here on The Readout, we take you behind the scenes to let you in on the phone calls, the coffees, and the lightbulb moments that shaped each project.


To learn more about The Readout and the work of the Development Intelligence Lab, head over to devintelligencelab.com.

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Episodes

Gordon Peake x People-watching in Port Moresby

What can a tour of Port Moresby's coffee shops and hotels reveal about the state of Australian development and diplomacy in Papua New Guinea? With Gordon Peake, analyst and author of recent article "People-watching in Port Moresby," we unpack Australia's engagement with its closest neighbour. Gordon reflects on the disconnect between official narratives and realities on the ground, the pressures on development workers to demonstrate success, and the value of listening to a range of perspectives ...

Oct 16, 202421 minSeason 6Ep. 17

Dr Mercy Masta x Gender Equality, The Pacific Way

What does it mean to truly engage men in the fight for gender equality in the Pacific? With Dr. Mercy Masta, Research Fellow at the ANU's Department of Pacific Affairs, we delve into her research that challenges established gender equality discourse in the region. Mercy argues that to foster genuine change, we must incorporate men's perspectives and cultural practices into gender discussions, rather than viewing them solely as obstacles. She also emphasises the importance of recognising existing...

Oct 02, 202415 minSeason 6Ep. 17

Martina Zapf x Lessons for Australia’s Civil Society Partnerships Fund

How can Australia’s Civil Society Partnership Fund enhance civic space in the Indo-Pacific region? With Martina Zapf, General Manager at the Lab and expert in peacebuilding, we discuss the recent announcement of $35 million over four years for the fund, aimed at supporting civic space amidst rising concerns over shrinking civil liberties. Martina delves into the fund's objectives, the importance of strategic design, and the risks involved in supporting civil society in restricted environments. M...

Sep 19, 202414 minSeason 6Ep. 16

Dr Salmah Eva-Lina Lawrence x The Majority World – what’s in a phrase?

How can we shift the language of international development to better reflect global realities? With Dr Salmah Lawrence, a leader in development thought and practice, we talk about her influential article that challenges the terms "developing world" and "Global South." Salmah explains the concept of the "Majority World" and argues for a new approach to development that includes social and cultural factors, not just economic ones. Salmah shares her vision for Australian development policy, by tack...

Sep 04, 202414 minSeason 6Ep. 15

The Hon Pat Conroy x Australia's International Development Policy Anniversary Event

Australia’s International Development Policy Anniversary Event. In this special episode, we take you behind the scenes of the key anniversary event with Minister for International Development and the Pacific, the Hon Pat Conroy MP. Held a few days ago, the event celebrated one year of the policy, bringing together around 50 Australian-based development stakeholders and leaders from government, academia, and civil society to reflect on the policy's progress and it’s future. Minister Conroy shares...

Aug 21, 202440 minSeason 6Ep. 14

David Young x Lessons learnt for fragile and conflict-affected states

How can addressing fragility and conflict in the Indo-Pacific region help shape the future of Australian development assistance? With David Young, Deputy Director of the Lessons Learned Program at the U.S. Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction (SIGAR), we explore the importance of understanding local fragilities, the role of donor countries, and lessons from Afghanistan that Australian policymakers can apply. Finally, David gives one piece of advice to Australian foreign affai...

Jul 24, 202417 minSeason 6Ep. 13

Aidan Craney and Yeshe Smith x Racism, Colonialism and Whiteness in Development

How did the exodus of Australian development workers during COVID-19 impact projects in the Pacific? And what lessons can be drawn for future development assistance? With Aidan Craney of La Trobe University and partnership broker Yeshe Smith, we discuss their research into locally led development and the importance of addressing systemic issues in the field. They highlight how embracing local leadership and confronting entrenched biases can improve outcomes for all involved. Finally Aidan and Ye...

Jul 10, 202422 minSeason 6Ep. 12

Therese Faulkner x International Development Contractors Community Policy Priorities

How can Australia transition from an austerity mindset to a growth mindset in its development program? With Therese Faulkner, founder of the International Development Contractors Community (IDCC), we discuss policy priorities. Therese emphasises the importance of embracing innovation in delivering high-impact development assistance. She explores how a changed mindset, broader community engagement, and maintaining focus on locally led development, gender, and disability inclusion can enhance Aust...

Jun 27, 202415 minSeason 6Ep. 11

Dr Darren Lim x Australia’s Reassessment of Economic Interdependence with China

How can Australian policymakers untangle the intricate threads of the nation's relationship with China? With Dr. Darren Lim, Senior Lecturer at the ANU, we discuss his piece on ‘Australia’s Reassessment of Economic Interdependence with China.’ Darren navigates the convergence of economics, national security, and geopolitics, shedding light on Australia's evolving statecraft while emphasising the significance of development cooperation in the region. Finally, Darren pitches his ideas to policymak...

Jun 13, 202414 minSeason 6Ep. 10

Heather Murphy x Navigating the competing purposes of Australian development

How can Australian policymakers better navigate the competing objectives of Australia’s development program? With Heather Murphy, Head of Analysis and Engagement at the Development Intelligence Lab, we discuss her recent policy brief ‘Navigating the competing purposes of Australian development.’ Heather lays out the importance of looking beyond the binary, and explores how Official Development Assistance (ODA)-funded activities can, and do, produce both geostrategic and development outcomes - bu...

May 30, 202417 minSeason 6Ep. 9

Dr Elizabeth Buchanan x The Sad State of Australia's Security Discourse

Why has Australia “all but institutionalised self-censorship in intellectual strategic thought”? With Dr Elizabeth Buchanan, Senior Fellow at the Australian Strategic Policy Institute (ASPI), we discuss her piece ‘The Sad State of Australia’s Security Discourse.’ Elizabeth lays out the importance of cultivating rich, robust, contestable, and nuanced dialogue in security and broader foreign policy spaces. Read Elizabeth’s piece here: https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/the-sad-state-of-australias-s...

May 15, 202411 minSeason 6Ep. 8

Marc Purcell x The Safer World For All Campaign

What does the Safer World For All campaign want? With CEO of the Australian Council For International Development (ACFID), Marc Purcell, we discuss the origins of the campaign, its engagement strategy and its key demands. In the lead up to the budget, Marc highlights the role of activism in holding policymakers to account. Dive into the Safer World For All Campaign here: https://saferworld.org.au/ The Readout is the Development Intelligence Lab's podcast hosted by CEO Bridi Rice. Each episode, y...

May 01, 202413 minSeason 6Ep. 7

Mat Tinkler x What’s the secret to a successful donor-implementer relationship?

What’s the secret to a successful donor-implementer relationship? With CEO of Save the Children Australia, Mat Tinkler, we discuss his latest piece for the Intel - asking just that. Expanding on his piece, Mat highlights the importance of trust, and stresses the need for government and delivery partners to step up their game to effectively deliver on development funding. Read Mat Tinkler’s piece, ‘What’s the secret to a successful donor-implementer relationship?’ here: https://www.devintelligenc...

Apr 17, 202415 minSeason 6Ep. 6

Sue Robertson x ‘There but for the grace of God…’ – reflections on leading the APS Integrity Taskforce

How will investing in the psychological safety and contestability of the public service deliver better foreign policy results for Australia? With leader of the APS Integrity Taskforce, Sue Robertson, we discuss her experience and what lessons can be adopted to cultivate integrity within the Australian Government at home and abroad. Read Sue’s piece, ‘There but for the grace of God,’ reflecting on her time with the Taskforce here: https://anzsog.edu.au/news/sue-robertson-reflections-aps-integrity...

Apr 03, 202414 minSeason 6Ep. 5

Mira Sulistiyanto x Pulse Check Indonesia

How can Australia deliver on its commitments to be a ‘better listener,’ understand the needs of the region, and be ‘less transactional’ in the delivery of its development assistance? With Mira Sulistiyanto, Analyst at the Development Intelligence Lab, we discuss the findings of the Pulse Check x Indonesia. Mira dives into ideas and insights from Indonesian non-government experts, and highlights what policymakers could make of these results. Read the Pulse Check x Indonesia findings here: https:/...

Mar 20, 202411 minSeason 6Ep. 4

Hervé Lemahieu x How Australia Can Unleash Its Own “Brussels Effect” in the Pacific Island Region

How could the integration of Pacific Island countries, Australia and New Zealand achieve development outcomes, remedy power asymmetries and inoculate against an excess of geopolitics in the Pacific region? With Director of Research at the Lowy Institue, Hervé Lemahieu, we discuss borrowing some of the logic of European integration to better equip the region to advance its collective interests. Read Hervé Lemahieu’s piece, ‘How Australia Can Unleash Its Own “Brussels Effect” in the Pacific Island...

Mar 06, 202420 minSeason 6Ep. 3

Lisa Denney x Diverse Pathways to People Centred Justice

Why does Australia continue to privilege policing and formal justice sector support given that research shows most people in our region seek justice through informal systems? With Deputy Director of La Trobe University's Centre for Human Security and Social Change Lisa Denney, we discuss people centred approaches to justice. Lisa speaks on the fundamentality of peace and prosperity in the region where the rule of law delivers for people, not just for institutions. Read Lisa’s International Devel...

Feb 21, 202414 minSeason 6Ep. 2

Stephen Howes x Tuvalu election and the Falepili Union

What does the recent Tuvalu general election mean for the implementation of the Falepili Union? With Director of the ANU Development Policy Centre Stephen Howes, we unpack the possibilities of the agreement, discussing his article “Australia-Tuvalu deal brings a visa-free Pacific closer”. Read Stephen's piece here: https://devpolicy.org/australia-tuvalu-deal-brings-a-visa-free-pacific-closer-20231114/ The Readout is the Development Intelligence Lab's podcast hosted by CEO Bridi Rice. Each episod...

Feb 02, 202416 minSeason 6Ep. 1

Natalie Sambhi x Generals gaining ground: Civil-military relations and democracy in Indonesia

What does an expanded role of the military in civilian government mean for Indonesia's next government, and how does this affect Australia’s development assistance and support of democratic institutions in Indonesia? Founder of Verve Research and Non-Resident fellow at Brookings Institution Natalie Sambhi explains how civil society and trust in public institutions play a crucial role in strengthening democracy in Indonesia, as we explore her article ‘Generals Gaining Ground: Civil-military Relat...

Jan 25, 202413 minSeason 5Ep. 4

Melissa Conley Tyler x What does it look like for Australia to take a whole-of-nation approach to international policy?

What is a whole-of-nation approach to international policy? And what does it look like? With Asia Pacific Development, Diplomacy and Defence Dialogue (AP4D) Executive Directer Melissa Conley Tyler, we give you an exclusive preview of the upcoming AP4D paper, 'What does it look like for Australia to take a whole-of-nation approach to international policy?’ The Readout is the Development Intelligence Lab's podcast hosted by CEO Bridi Rice. Each episode, you'll meet one development leader, hear the...

Jan 25, 202413 minSeason 5Ep. 3

Jane Edge x Disability Equity and Rights Strategy - what's critical for effectiveness?

Is Australia walking the talk on its longstanding commitment to disability? With CEO of CBM Australia Jane Edge, we discuss how Australia can retain its leadership and hard-won gains made in disability inclusion. Jane lays out what is most critical for Government to consider as it drafts a new Disability, Equity and Rights Strategy. Read Jane’s piece for the Lab’s Intel here: https://www.devintelligencelab.com/intel/02november2023 The Readout is the Development Intelligence Lab's podcast hosted ...

Jan 25, 202411 minSeason 5Ep. 2

Dr Mike Green x The main game for Australian development is development, not building influence

Has Australian aid become too embroiled in geostrategic competition? We take you behind the scenes of a Lab hosted debate, with Dr Mike Green, CEO of the US Studies Centre, and Senior Advisor and Kissinger Chair in Strategy at CSIS. Mike lays out his geostrategic rationale for why Australian development should focus primarily on shoring up the long-term vibrancy of open, inclusive and accountable states in our region. If you want to read more about the topic of this episode, here’s where to look...

Jan 25, 202417 minSeason 5Ep. 1

Solstice Middleby x Aid is not development: The true character of Pacific aid, part 2

Solstice Middleby, PhD Scholar at Adelaide University, says that Australia is on overdrive with the “family” or “Vuvale” and “good neighbour” or “Falepili” narrative, but it’s actions do not follow. According to Soli, the aid industry is not tooled to deliver on the needs of the Pacific peoples. As a consequence, Australia is losing credibility in the Pacific as a development partner. Read Dame Meg Taylor and Soli Middleby’s “Aid is not Development: The True Character of Pacific Aid” here: https...

Dec 04, 202314 minSeason 4Ep. 2

Richard Moore x Australian Development Cooperation: Urgent and important, but “not a priority”

“The great promise of integration was that we would be bringing different policy instruments to bear.” Strategic Advisor at the Development Intelligence Lab Richard Moore says little has changed in Australia’s international development policy since the DFAT-AusAID merger. Development cooperation may be important in the rhetoric, but facts suggest it is “not a priority” in practice. Read Richard Moore’s “Australian development cooperation: Urgent and important, but “not a priority” here: https://...

Dec 04, 202314 minSeason 4Ep. 4

Diastika Rahwidiati x Australia in Southeast Asia: Do we have the development skills, stamina, and leadership?

Does Australia have the development skills, stamina and leadership to keep up with the region? Diastika Rahwidiati, Senior Strategic Innovation Designer at Chora Design thinks so, provided that Australia learns “across the different portfolios of aid investments” and provides “these as intersectional recommendations for the Government.” Read Diastika Rahwidiati’s "Australia in Southeast Asia: do we have the development skills, stamina, and leadership?" here: https://www.devintelligencelab.com/in...

Dec 04, 202314 minSeason 4Ep. 3

Dame Meg Taylor x Aid is not development: The true character of Pacific aid

Aid is not development. Dame Meg Taylor, former Secretary General of the Pacific Islands Forum Secretariat, argues that most aid to the Pacific “comes in, it’s filtered through the system, and then it goes back to Australia”. According to Meg, Australia needs to change the way it does aid to ensure transparency and effectiveness. Read Dame Meg Taylor and Soli Middleby’s “Aid is not Development: The True Character of Pacific Aid” here: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/dpr.12745 Th...

Dec 04, 202312 minSeason 4Ep. 1

Reintroducing: The Readout

Welcome to the latest series of the Readout. The Readout is the Development Intelligence Lab's podcast hosted by CEO Bridi Rice. Each episode, you'll meet one development leader, hear their big idea and discover how it can shape the future of Australian development assistance. The show features Australian and international development leaders at the top of their fields. Visit the Development Intelligence Lab for cracking analysis on Australian development cooperation: https://www.devintelligence...

Nov 16, 20232 min

Episode Five: On Indonesia and Solomon Islands, SDG progress, and approaches to addressing climate

Welcome to episode five of the latest Readout series. In this episode, the Lab’s CEO, Bridi Rice, sits down again with Jo Choe and James Gilling. The group discuss recent development headlines: staffing moves at DFAT including Ambassadorial appointments and bureaucratic shuffles of Rod Brazier, Elizabeth Peak and Ewen McDonald, reactions to the recent visit by the Indonesian President , Joko Widodo, and the China-Solomon Islands implementation plan on policing . Given it is SDG reporting season ...

Jul 20, 202330 minSeason 3Ep. 5

Episode Four: On Australia’s ODI ranking, SEA development and, USAID’s localisation targets

Welcome to episode four of the latest Readout series. In this episode, The Development Intelligence Lab’s CEO, Bridi Rice, chats virtually with Jo Choe and James Gilling about recent development news. The trio unpack recent headlines: the Foreign Minister’s announcement of an increase in humanitarian aid to Sudan; the release of Overseas Development Institute's new Principled Aid Index ; and Japan’s new development compact (its first since 2015). Reflecting on the Lab’s recent Intel question - B...

Jul 06, 202333 minSeason 3Ep. 4

Episode Three: On donors, disruptions, and a program reset

Welcome to episode three of the latest Readout series. In this episode, Bridi again sits down with Jo Choe and James Gilling to chat about the development debates that have surfaced in the past few weeks. The group discuss Prime Minister Anthony Albanese's speech in Singapore at the International Institute for Strategic Studies earlier this month, where he talked about Australia's commitment to the region and the importance of dialogue 'at the heart of our efforts'. How does this impact how Aust...

Jun 19, 202330 minSeason 3Ep. 3
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