QLS Classic: Monie Love

Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. It is March, which means it's Women's History Month, and we're celebrating here at QLs. We're going to look back at the classic episode from twenty twenty one with Money Love. Since her career started, Money's been in the middle of everything. You see the pun there, music, radio, activism, and more. Listen back, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode of Course Love Supreme. I'm your host, Quest Love. We have teams Supreme with us.

Where you at, Steve, Yeah, I'm outside of radio study music Hall, recording live for up frame.

Right.

Nice. Nice, And our fan base is out there. That's awesome looking on the street, on the street. Yeah, exactly, Steve it is. That's where his fans are on the street out there. So we have unpaid bill. Yes, sir, how's it going on? How's the how's the wine bar? What are you drinking?

Tonight, little ship pain, let's call it tonight delicious pain. It's it's for the pain. It's pro paid, it's pro it's this is tastes your favorite.

Part of the day when you when you get down to you.

Yeah, I get to see my friends have a drink and you know, talk about the ship.

I see, all right at you cool and yeah. I can't say yeah, waiting me to say north.

See whatever.

I need some other. I might need some other. I mean, yes, I believe you know your state very well, but I need.

Some know the witnesses, because anybody any nigga saying that ship is over fifty Okay, ain't no, ain't no young nigga saying that ship.

We don't say that cold like nah nah, bro. Is there a Philadelphia equivalent of there, like Philadelphia some ship shah? Yeah yeah, but then it became kiladelph in two thousand and six, so ended that. Uh yeah, Marcaret, Yeah look at you. Yeah yeah, Margaret, I forgot I forgot the mark in the house. Yeah we did, ladies and gentlemen. I will say that our esteemed guest today is definitely hip hop Royalty. And I'm not making that reference because

I don't have a secret to youth. I mean, I don't know why everybody keeps everybody always says that, because trust me, my knees have got more cracked than Harlem in the ages.

I feel you.

But what you being on at night?

Though?

Yeah, I'm like Chris, like what is it?

I don't you know. Honestly, I drink and I drink a lot of water, that's for sure. I really do. I really do. And it sounds really corny, but I really do drink a lot of water. And aside from that, I'm still keeping up with the kids. Like I've still got kids that I'm chasing around the house and so on and so forth.

You know, how old is your youngest?

Twelve?

Okay? Well I see, yeah. I mean there's sometimes where like I can't tell the difference between you and Charlena, and you know I can't like, you.

Know, half the time, I get it, yeah, because it's like that either.

Your your daughter must have taken your iPhone and posted a picck on I g r ever, but yeah, more more more power to you. I want whatever you're drinking, you have it. I want to live forever. So yes, the water right now, as you speak, what is the environment in Atlanta? Because to the rest of the United States, we're just we're kind of side eyeing, not the residents, but you know more or less no, well not even what's your name, Keisha, Not even Keisha, because I know

Basically, honestly, no, honestly, I can understand why everybody else is looking at Atlanta like that because to a lot in a lot of areas like things should be closed that are not closed. So I understand why everybody else is looking at it, like what are you guys doing out there? Honestly, me speaking for myself, I'm going with the train of thought as we're not supposed to be doing a bunch of a bunch of stuff, you know, I do a to B I leave, I leave the house,

Is there a kind of like is there a true awareness of at least for you know, I know it's for everybody, but even for black people like that, there's a danger out there. I understand that, you know, at least some of the hotep cats that.

I know that are Are you allowed to say that.

Hotel?

Yeah?

Yeah, that's a real.

Starts that starts like fights.

I mean, you know, if the shoe fits. I'm just saying, like we just we just live in the time in which, you know, I mean, where facts are optional and everyone's everyone's opinion is sort of subjective to what they think, you know, right, And I mean it's bad enough with my family, Like I me trying to convince certain family members that they should get the vaccine. And you know, I understand the the history that we've had within in trepidation and all that stuff, but I mean, it's just

Yeah, I'm crazy I skipped.

So you haven't had the whole study parties or anything like that down there.

Well I did, Uh no, I did, Actually I did. You know what I did. I went to Tampa and I did The super was a driving concept and that was me and alumni. It was me special Ed, Chubb, Rock, Kuame and Dana Day and we did that and that was a driving That was my first driving concert. So that was Yeah, that was interesting.

Do people respond by a honking their horns? Absolutely so when it starts doing nightmares like people were like, it was amazing.

That was my first experience with that and it was absolutely that. Like when you say make some noise.

It's like, ah, wait, next time you wrapped a Chubb, tell him that I'm want to pay his two thousand dollars debt to Prince Paul if Paul tells the story one more time. Man, I'm like, all right, I'm gonna just cover this dep.

Wow.

No, okay, So of course I know some areas of your life. But for our listeners who don't know what part of were you born in the UK? What part of the UK?

Yeah? Absolutely, South London, Chelsea. I was born in since in Chelsea and that is South London.

Okay, South London. Can you talk about the environment of of what South London was when you were growing up?

Yeah? Okay. Being black and in England, you're either Caribbean descent or straight up Africa, like your parents come from Ghana on Nigeria or mostly Ghana and Nigeria, or your parents come from any of the Caribbean So it could be Trinidad's, it could be Grenada, it could be Barbados, Saint Lucia, Jamaica. My family is or from Jamaica and that's what makes up the black population pretty much when

Yeah, basically I'm so light, so polite about it.

I love it. And so my grandfather was amongst them. And so what happened was families, the heads of families went over to England and then bit by bit they send for their wives, and they send for their children and so on and so forth. But by that time my grandfather had already had my grandparents had already had five kids that were older and left. My mother was

Okay, So I don't know when this will air exactly, but we're sort of speaking right now, right when UK is on the sort of the forefront of the news with how the monarchy and its relationship with an American community.

Yeah, American community.

I'm sorry, I'm so used to saying that the black community of the UK. Okay, man, I just did a patrise O Neil thing. You know when Patrice jokes that when he goes to European countries and still calls them foreigners like that, that's actually.

And not even the term that you say mo like, No, no, no, that's what I'm saying.

I did not hear the term African American until I came to this country.

No, but what do you call so do they? Do you say the blacks of the UK?

Like?

Is that something that you say as a black.

We just we just say black people a black person.

Like British right right right?

Right?

No, not really, But.

What I the thing is, you know, I was watching the news today and they had, you know, a bunch of news pundits on talking about uh well mainly marco

Know, I never heard that until I came to this country, right.

But I'm saying that's the thing. I haven't heard the terms used for us in the United States over there. So I wanted to know, like, what what.

Was our version of your version, our version of the n word was wog, w o, g wog. You're a wog. Yeah, So the.

White person calls you wog, then it's time to start throwing hands.

If if a white person calls you a wog, they're going to be tons allness.

But do other black people call themselves walks? No, so then they're.

So there's not a term's.

W w And the word wog comes from the end of golliwog, and a golliwog if you look that up, was one of those like black face dolls. It's like a rag doll, right, So it's made out of material, and it's black face with wool hair, right, and it looks like actually kind of like it's dressed like how Al Jolson is to dress. So it's a rag doll. It's a rag doll that's dressed like Al Jolson. It's black face with wolf coat. And that's a golliwog.

And I'm curious if that even has a relationship to the word poly. I was thinking that too. I've heard that used in many punk rock or something like that. So to me that I don't pog is like a little like toad or something. Right, It's like a.

Yeah, I think that is, that is, but Golliwog was a doll.

Ain't that?

Yeah? All right? Now I ain't never all right, got it?

All right? Yeah?

But growing up what you know, for for some of the onand as a tadpole, okay, tadpole, but growing up and over there? How long were you over there before before you came to the United States?

I left, I left England for good when I was seventeen and changed.

Okay, so up until that point, what was was there a racial tension at all?

Or absolutely? Absolutely? It's just like it's just like, forgive the similarity, but it's like a cool a kool Aid of a different flavor. Well, because it's like, you know, whereas you may consider the kool Aid slavor over here of the f ship that was going on, you might consider that red. Okay, well, but it was orange, you know what I'm saying. But it was still but it

Jacket, the red suspenders and the yeah yeah.

That stuff right, and you get you know, they black boy, a couple of black boys get caught wrong side of town, it's late or whatever, they'd get done in. They'd get done and beat to a pulp death, you know. See.

Okay, that's that was my next question. Whereas you know, teenage me, my dad would probably have more fear that the police would do that to me first and then second, you know, going in the wrong side. I mean, we never Philadelphia really didn't get caught up in gang culture similar to if I were going.

But there was that because there was a lot of markings on the wall saying National Front rules and go back, go wogs, go home and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, it existed. And the parents would be scared mainly for their sons because the sons would always be the ones that would be prone to be out. The daughters would be at home, you know, and they would be scared for their sons running into groups of National Front kids

Are you have you watched Small Acts? Yeah? No, And.

You know something, I just got told about it. I just got told about it about and I was like, I need to watch it, I really And then I saw some of the trailers for it, and I'm like, oh my god, this is exactly, yeah, this is exactly how we came up over there, exactly how we came up.

Yeah. People, the first two to me were did you watch the rest of it? Fante?

Or I watched I just watched Lovers Rock. I haven't seen the other ones.

Are you just seen the second one? The house party one? On the house Party one, I gotta watch the.

One with and love Us Rock is a whole genre of music that we used to listen to.

Absolutely I see music music wise. You know, I guess for us, even though he'dn't paraded as as hard as I expected him to, you know, slick Rick was sort of our I guess, our introduction that hip hop is a worldwide thing and not just a local New York thing. But like, what what was the the environment as far as hip hop was concerned, like how did it reach you over there?

Okay? Uh? Through videos? Through videos, through Wild Style videos, breaking videos, graffiti videos. It came to us like that.

We didn't get just firstlegs.

We do well, I think bootlegs tapes of like Wild Style and and then that led onto actual real releases of like Breaking and Beach Street. But that's how it that's how it got to us when we got hip hop. We didn't get it in its music form first, we got it in its art form as far as the movement end of it.

First that you didn't have a rappers Delight on radio? What the hell is this?

Yeah? We did, but it was it was kind of discoing. We didn't we we didn't make the connection between hip hop the culture that that that came out of the rubble, you know, we didn't make that connection with we saw rappers Delight on Top of the Pops, which Top of the Pops is like a British version of American bandstand. So when we saw them on top of the pops doing Sugarhill Gang doing Rapids Delight, we didn't make the

Video Oh for Buffalo Girls.

And we saw that and that's another way that we started making the connection, and so we started we developed cruise again. I was spinning on my back. I was I wasn't rhyming sons.

So you started off dancing, you started off, yeah, yeah, what was his what was his true role over there? I mean, you're Malcolm's name mentioned of course with the sex pistols and then you know it's early for a raison to electronic hip hop in eighty two eighty three, But I mean, was he this Spingali Warhol figure over there or like.

What absolutely, that's exactly his position, that is exactly his position.

Parties or you know.

No, no, I wouldn't say that, or if he did, I certainly wasn't in that crowd and none of my peers were in that crowd. But what he did do and where we did make a direct connection with Malcolm MacLaren is that he ushered in the the dance art form of hip hop culture. He ushered that he helped usher that in to the to watch British kids for us to look at that and be like, how are they doing that? How wen about how to do that? How are they doing that? Now?

I was gonna say, do you remember what, folks, what was before a hip hop then?

Like?

What was what? Were young kids listening to the police?

We were listening to the We were listening to the police. We were listening to we were listening. Yeah, we were. We weren't you know, we wasn't. We weren't doing anything. We didn't get hit by the hip hop cultural bug yet, you know we all we.

Had was police makes sense though the scar the school it was.

No absolutely because it was a very heavy A lot of the British bands were heavily influenced by the Caribbean population in England. So you know there's this there's this group called Bad Men and they were like a scar band too and bad Manners and they were, yeah, they were a scar band. Two. Of course we mentioned the police, night Runners, the specials, The Specials, that's another one. Heavily spy. There was two Jamaican guys in the group.

So you mean like wred they Okay, explain this, What the hell's are Rudy. I hear the term rudy.

White white shirt, white shirt, skinny, black tie, black jacket. But yeah, yeah, yeah, drain pipes.

That's to look like fish boone. Are these white guys or black guys? Like every time I hear a Rudy, is that like rude boy or something?

Or yes, it's it's the British version of what Jamaicans would call rude boy.

I see no, because you know, when I heard Sky songs, they're always talking about Rudy, and I thought, like, kind of that Johnny, what was Johnny Taylor's word? Like, oh joy, Jody, Jody? Right, I thought that Rudy was just like this fictional character or whatever that just woman while you was away, Right, That's what I thought.

But no, No, a Rudy is a British version of what Jamaicans call rude boy.

Okay, Like if you look at early pictures of Bob and Bunny and Petere Tush, right, look at early pictures before everybody got locks. They were rude boys.

Oh well, since you brought it up, can you talk about your daddy?

Yeah, my dad's My dad was a rude boy. My dad's and my dad is full fledged rasta right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, my dad's full fledged raster ita. He's you know, all my life, his lucks is now under his feet.

Oh wow, music at all? Or yeah?

My dad played trumpet. Yeah, my dad played trumpet when I was growing up, So the house was very musical. Sundays was his days when he would practice. So he would put on a Louis Armstrong or a Miles Davis and he would play along to it, and that would be his practice. And that would happen on Sundays. And once I hear the trumpet going, that means I have to get up, and I have to clean the bathroom downstairs, and I have to clean my room. It was intuitive,

You I'm not trying to stereotype. I don't know. It's just a lot of a lot of the black people that I met in the UK when they're talking about growing up in the seventies. They would tell me that basically, like a lot of their parents were super super conservative, so you know, they didn't have experiences of like sneaking out the house at thirteen to go to whatever a studio fifty four was or that sort of thing. Like

I we well, let's see when I started breaking and

Oh so you were a serious b girl, Yeah, oh okay, okay, I didn't know your level was I don't know it was curiosity.

Or like, oh yeah, no, we would battle. We would battle each other. It was all different crew. Seriously, we developed fake beef with North Londoners just for no reason.

Because you needed somebody to battle. Yeah wait, that's that would be my side of town. Okay. So did did people like go to different territories or was it territorial?

It was very Yeah, it was very territorial. It was very territorial. You know. We took it seriously. And there were fights sometimes and.

Yeah, like you would not be caught on in Camden Market or any like, only.

If somebody came over and was performing and they were at a place called what was the what was the name of the Electric Ballroom in Camden Town and sometimes there would be performances like I saw Chuck Brown and the Soul Searchers at Oh wow, yeah, I saw I saw Chuck Brown and Soul Searchers at in cam In Town at Electric Ballroom absolutely really yeah. I also saw Steps the Sonic in that same venue really yeah yeah. Yeah.

Hip hop hip hop wise, like how how big was the the local talent? Because again, like there was I knew of Slick Rick. There's a there's another dope rapper that was out like in nineteen eighty seven. I'm having a brain from the UK. From the UK the Derek b Cookie Crew, not Cookie Crew. But it's like this guy. He he always ended his verse with shopper then a heart attack, but he was rhyming over Bobby Birds. I'm coming. It's like they played it a few times in like

Because don't say this, don't say that everybody is yo.

And I still and I'm still not convinced that that guy is not Vin Raims. I'm sorry, I'm still I'm still not convinced.

I've never seen the Snap. I never seen him in the same place.

No.

But the thing is is that with with most UK artists, they lose their accent once they start singing and rapping. But he maintained that that accent throughout. And that's why I liked him. But I wish I knew his name.

But when I get off this podcast. I'm gonna hear that.

I'm sorry. How did they look at that stuff? Though? B Oni like like Derek B and Cookie Crew? How were they received in the UK?

Well?

They they were received very well because they were our first generation of born and bred British art.

First wave was from there too, right yea proper girls?

Yeah yeah, yes yeah. Cookie Crew were my man as I was babysitter. I used to roll with them everywhere to all their shows, be at their sound checks. I learned a lot from being around them.

Really.

I came up, Yeah, I came up under Susi Q and Debbie D. I came up under them.

I love them, man, like I remember buying they They once played in a different world, on a different world the first season. There's a clip of of Dwayne and uh Denise back when Lisa but her name was on the show doing the wop to what's the first single Females get on up?

Females?

Yeah? And I remember I don't know, like back then, if if a song was on a sitcom, then you asked about it the next day and then you got it. So yeah, yeah you made but like, what do you know what they're doing now?

Or well, I know I Wid still, I mean Remedy. Remedy is her name, Remedy, not Debide. WID's another of my uh, another of my female mcs that I look up. Tobd's Remedy is out of the Cookie Crew and I speak to her. She's on really well, she works. She actually heads her own marketing company still in London now and she still works very much within the music business, specifically because she had first time knowledge of being herself.

Okay, so how did you get the How did you make that transition into becoming an MC and taking it serious enough to actually doing it right?

When did it? Was? Pretty much? When did it stop being a hobby or a secret that only was shared between me and the bathroom mirror with a toothbrush?

Oh you was el for real?

Yeah?

So yeah, like who pulled you out of your sidness and said you should do this?

You know what it was? It was a bit of envy, and the envy came from I did a wait October December January February, I did a five months stint at George Wingate High School, in Brooklyn, New York. My mother was in transition of possibly moving to the United States. She had a job for a respected Jewish lawyer and my Manhattan at his office, and he was going to

He went from living around place where they the cops didn't have guns to a place where them I went.

I went from Catholic school, not for dame or girls uniform with a crest on my blazer wearing. Okay, I went from that to lean on me for cron Yeah, you know. So it was quite a culture shock for me. But I found off in the same high school as mc light. Mc Light was already an aspiring MC and I would have to listen to her talk about how she was at Latin Quarters and so this is where the envy kicked in quarter.

Well, I'm sorry, I just came back in the movie.

Okay, So that's where the MV came in. So I when I left and went back to England after doing like six months going to school in Brooklyn, and I went England, and then I was like, if only light new, I'm just as dope. I'm dope too, I could rhyme. It was a secret. I never told anyone, you know, Yeah, it was a secret. I'm just I'm a wordsmith. English was my favorite language. Poetry was my favorite thing. I love words, you know, and so it was I had a knack for So I kept it a secret that

How old are you at this point? How old are you?

Like sixteen? And changed, Oh, I hadn't. I hadn't turned seventeen yet. Yeah. Yeah, those are the best auditions, right, do you remember you remember? I don't remember the first, but I do remember her saying, why didn't you tell me? You did this all this time? You were we were in school together and you could do this and you never told me? And I just was like, I don't know. I just I guess I wasn't ready yet, or I

Letting me off a black beforehand.

My grandfather would be across the street with a great Dane. I'm like, oh my god.

Wait, Simon, have you ever told that story before?

Like, no, no, no, no.

It's not. Everyone knows that Busting and jay Z went to school together, and everyone knows that Tribe and Jungle Brothers went to school together. I think it's a big fucking deal there. You MC light went to the same school.

Yeah, yeah, and.

That you know that you guys had this bond that apparently the world doesn't know about.

No.

And it's funny that you say jay Z because during that time, after I had gotten back to England, I met jay Z in England's phil during my sixteenth turning seventeenth year.

The Wyan Sophie period exactly.

He was there. Oh my god, you should have seen his such an apartment. That's why when people tried to there was a period of time when people would be like, oh, what people about in their rhymes ain't real from how their lively was, and then they would try to pin jay Z in that pigeonhole, like oh, he's talking about shit that he didn't really live. I would be the first person to be like, yes, he bloody did, he did, Yes,

I think it's so fascinating a job like the same age people don't even think about numbers? Is like that, yeah, yeah, yeah, both of them.

Are regressing in age. That's the Yeah, that's true.

It's a lotion. They're not sharing it with us, but that's cool.

No, I'm gonna find that. God damn it.

It puts the lotion on its skin.

So I think the first time I heard you on record was there was a remix for Fine Young Cannibals. She drives me crazy. I didn't know it was you at the time.

How did you not know that was me? And Mary? Well?

Because no, no, no, no, I didn't know what a money love was at the time when I heard it.

Wait what Moyes right?

No, no, no, no, I knew of your name, Like I guess the first time I heard you was doing our own thing, I think on Jungle Brothers, but I believe She Drives Me Crazy remix kind of predated that a little bit. But I remember like you had a very definitive, like a very sexy voice. You had your accent. Yeah, you know, I know, I'm knowing you for decades. So sorry, no, no, no.

But I just that's interesting because I definitely wasn't trying to be that.

No, but it's I mean, it's something. I mean, obviously it had to been something because you know, Prince reached out to you too. It was something very distinctive that didn't sound like any well. I mean, first of all, I'm not saying that it's far and few between, uh with women in hip hop, but I mean they're they're there.

Point, no, no, no, no no, I had. I had already had my own singles. Listen the first their single that was ever put together. I was in a group and we were called Don't Last Okay, all right? I was in a group and we were called just bad Productions, you know because like Bookie da Production.

Like, oh wow, y'all was JBP okay a little bit of a sting. I see where he was going for Amonia, I'm a which So we were.

It was four of us. I was the only girl. It was me, DJ MC, Jo MC mellow and Sparky. Sparky was the beat guy. He programmed all that beats. Mellow was another MC and DJ Pogo. They were three really like known DJs from the UK.

So you're saying that being in JPP wait j B JBBB bad Productions JBP we bad productions, all right? So Oh my god, what.

We put a record out? We put a record out and it was under Tim Westwards label.

Oh wow, wow were freshter week? How old were you? How old were you that time?

Oh? Fifteen?

Just okay. I've heard so many stories. I've heard so many stories about Tim Westwood. What does he represent to hip hop culture for the UK? I've heard the best things about him and I heard the worst things about him. The first person I heard to get shot I was. I was there the night that he got shot in the ass. Boy, I used to live in London. We were shocked. We were what was the name of that that junglest crew?

What so solid, so so solid, so solid crew, so solid crew.

Yeah, we we we had did a gig all I remember, No, no, no, we didn't do a gig. Tribe had come over to the UK. This is right when min Maratists came out. Whatever happened? Uh When we got home, we found out the next night that that Westwood had gotten shot in the ass by one of the sole Solid people or one of those Jungleist crews. And it was at that point, you know, up until that point, I thought he was like an untouchable luminary because you know, he's on the

Is he let me say, all right, let me tell you how realist is gonna get with me? Right? Okay, talking about Tim Westwood. I don't care for Tim Westwood, Okay, I have I have no inhibitions of saying that, knowing that he's going to see this. You know, I don't. I don't care for you. You noticed him, however, he was everything to hip hop and provided us a place and a space to be able to listen to the music of the be, able to battle each other from all the different corners of London. He was the only

Oh yeah, I mean I can see that. Like Suge Knight is a villain, but I won't deny the power of death Row. Nobody's really good. Nobody wants to get on this platform with me.

No, no, no Sugar for real. I mean the thing with Sugar, I mean he even said it. The things that he was doing back then, like you know, signing artists to like, okay, we get a piece of.

Your publishing, your shows, your this.

You know, at the time, all the labels was like ah, sugar is ripping y' all off.

That's bullshit.

But now they're all doing it now deal, Yeah, they all is shuging your head. So he was in the criminal he was just ahead of his time, right, exactly.

Exactly.

Comparison, I was going for that.

Supreme moment. Yeah, we can say, we can say if you want to, are.

Based on my cluess loves supreme experience.

Prince m.

Pregnant pause, yeahgnant, Prince how give it to its like break it down?

No, just because just on the perception of somebody doing great but at the same time talking to like the revolution and seeing on an individual level and as a person he may not have always been like the nicest and always exactly.

So I'm just saying that.

No, no, no, no, that's that's remember when you when you said, uh, there was some disparaging stories and some people kind of started coming out saying, oh, well, Tim, what's what did this? And he did that? Fante would did you just say? What was the word?

Okay, okay, so they got something in there.

You go, he's a dicks.

There, it's a lot of dicks.

That's you're doing a lot of great things. We're learning that's what I want.

But but what can never be denied is that Timrod Tim really provided a place in this space. But he at least a single with just bad Prisons. And the contract looked like you know how fact paper used to come out with perforated parts the side. That's what the contract looked like, right, And that's what the contract looks like.

Next to paper bag.

Yeah. Well, I had to take it to my parents because I was too young myself, and I took it to my dad and my dad did like this. My dad just looked at it and went and that I didn't sign that, and then that was you know, that was that. But yeah, so I got found by a legit label, which was Chrysalis, and I got signed to them, which essentially got I think they got swallowed by EMI later. Yeah, yeah,

Wait. Actually, speaking of Westwood shows, I found out Carol Lewis is still my agent twenty five years later, and she told, Wow, she told me something really hilarious last year, which was I didn't know about. So there's there's like a slew of second generation hip hoppers like rock Him, like Caine, Kaine not so much anymore, and Carris one that have a fear of flying, yes, and has never gotten on a plane.

I know, Kristen, Kristen. When Chris come over to do shows, it would be like a month before he gets there.

Right, so ye. Carol Lewis told me that in May, if she would book gigs for either Eric being Rock Him or BDP and at the time Kane, they would have to get on the Queen Mary for two weeks. It takes two weeks to get from New York. Damn. See, I was about to do it inappropriate Chris middle passage joke. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was hard for rappers so to get over there. So like, how how often? At what point was seeing American artists in the UK a normal thing and not just a novelty?

Oh no, it became a normal thing put quickly, God bless him. I don't I don't know if you ever had an to meet this guy. But Dave Funking Clin, Dave Klin, Yeah, Dave Funking Clin, he was the main ambassador. Shows would be booked and he would bring artis over. He was the main ambassador US ambassador to bring. He bought over. I met my first American boyfriend through Dave Funking Clin. He bought over Latif for True Mathematics, Chill, Rob g and the for a Strigger shows in Camden Town.

I'm gone to the Jungle Brothers.

I went to the show and I met the Junger Brothers at ding Wolves, which was a club in Camden Town. Over by day Funk and Klimb and one of the Jungle Brothers, and I started dat Internet was Africa from the Jungle Brothers.

Okay, all right, so I'm gonna do my first conflict of Ventures comment right now. Okay, now this is my first Conflict.

Adventures conflict of interest comment.

Well, no, because Gracie told me something. Now here's the thing I forgot the yeah. Yeah, So the Jungle Brothers, like, you know, it was like everything to me and Tarik the second we saw them. Trek was like yo, everything we were going into to Banana Republic. We dressed it in all khakis and da da da da da, walking around with sticks and staffs and all that stuff. So we were like even before the zation all that shit,

Oh yeah, yeah, that's right, right.

So basically they're there, you're plug into what would become the connection.

Yeah yeah, yeah, because what happened was personally, Africa and I started dating, and then professionally Africa was responsible for recording half of my album. Oh yeah. And then that is how I met where A deliberates his beats from and has uh you know, brainstorming sessions with where he gets his beats from. So that meant Juju from their.

Beat from the beat Nuts.

Yeah, so that's how I met Juju. And then obviously that's how I met cut Tip also and Pass and and uh May. That's how all of that transpired.

Okay, because I didn't hear that. You know, the beat Nuts are official or unofficial native tongues, but I know they did pretduction on your record. So basically absolutely was that the first time they did production.

No, they are, they were beaten. Us were like the sauce, the creative beat sauce for Africa and and uh q Tip and this was all early.

I would have ill records. You should use this, you should use this. We're not necessarily credited, but I get it now. Okay, I see.

You're right saying you do. You're right in saying, oh my god, yeah, you do have to do a beating up because, oh my god, I cried my eyes out one time when Juju came and he didn't have my address. So when they when you get there and they ask you, what are you here for business? And he was here he said pleasure and they're like, where are you stay? And he's like, I don't know because he didn't have

And I was did they send him home? No?

They luckily they didn't send him home, but he had to. They strip searched him. Oh my god, it was I.

Was going to say that London, I've never Canada might be slightly I say, yeah, Canada, Yeah, Canada. Yeah, Canada's lacked up. I don't know if Canada has lacked up or is this the fact that people my age now are the authority figures? Right, So whoever's thirty and forty and fifty are now like, hey, quest love you guys do want to show here, which wasn't happening back then for ten years of my career.

Yeah, that was awful. I'm not going to give you the whole thing. Please when you speak to Juju, just ask him. And to this day, I think maybe four days four days ago, I apologize to him again for the fifty millionth time on Instagram on one of my fiends. In some comments, I was like, oh my god, I'm so sorry.

Anal probe and rappers in the UK. Oh there's I mean, most rapped about it, most wrapped about it on his record. The shit happened to me. I know at least five others like yeah, yeah, I was, no doubt, no doubt upset.

Talk to Juju about that when you talk to him. But yeah, that's it.

Everybody deserves twenty four hours of preparation before something.

Oh my preparation is the wrong word to use. Oh my god.

A classic Richard Nichols movement. Rich Rich told us the way that we remedy that seriously, we would go to the UK. Rich would just be like, don't don't wash your nuts or your ass for three days straight and they'll skip it. And sure enough, no, I'm dead serious, Like we would go on a Friday, I might not shower, you know, wear the same underwear or whatever. Nobody I'm serious like they would they would be. It was that's just very.

Jack is an interesting sacrifice.

This is a fascinating episode of Quesse. I'm dead serious ship that I've learned today.

As racists, as racist as they are, they do not want to touch your black salty nuts. They don't want to search that bad. Hey.

I never heard a better SoundBite by life than what I just heard in my ears.

Wait a minute, wait a minute, this is bad all right? So my iPhone is right next to me. Oh, he literally sirie google salty nuts. As racist as they are, they don't want to touch your black salty nuts.

My god.

And I'm turning the phone off. T shirts. Yeah, I'm turning my phone off, all right? So why am I.

Thinking about South Park right now? Never mind?

Go ahead, chock the salty balls. You know that song was number one in the UK because when he passed away, When he passed away, and I think it was either his New York Times obituary or whatever, like they were like and Hayes was enjoying a comeback of sorts. His his hit shot with salty was the top ten, was the top ten. I don't think he wants that as his legacy. Yeah, it was a little crazy, all right. Can I ask, is I know what you're going to say, so you might as well just pop the balloon and

Now?

Oh?

I mean at its height? What was the environment like between nineteen eighty seven to eighty nine?

It was a commune filled with creative waterfalls.

That's a lot of sex. Well, a commune and waterfalls. You gotta put them.

I said created but I said creative waterfall? You did? You did?

But I was just reading between the lyrics. I wasn't going there.

I mean, I mean, I mean there was there were there were inter relationships, yes, okay, there were, there were definitely those, But it was just like it was like it was like my kids made. My youngest thought made. She has me watching Mixed Dish with her every time they clicked back to the old scenes of when they were on the commune or what have you, right right, the commune. Okay, it was like that. It was like that, So it wasn't fake. It's it's like the romanticizing that

I'm glad I asked you because you know, Dave and Pass will like roll their eyes like here it comes again with more. So, guys, what was it like when you guys discovered this breakfeat whatever?

So David past first of all, because when we were in it, David Post were rolling the rise.

Wow, you know what I mean.

When we were in it, David Post was rolling the rise. Because that's just that's just who they are, you know what I'm saying. The beats here right, and David pasta.

Like doing the opposite, you know, and that's.

Just who they are. That's just that's just who they are, you know what I'm saying. It was just so freaking like nothing was a problem, Like if everything was just so cool. I remember one night, Masio was one of the last people to leave them. Like because first of all, when I say commune, I really meet commune. And the place of the Commune's existence main office was Calliope Studios in Manhattan. Ah okay, everybody's sessions was in Colliopees. It doesn't matter if it was cute, if it was tribe,

Because very convenient.

Oh it was th like, oh it was never it was always needs food.

All right, So obviously you guys are post Latin order, or at least what you represent. And here's the thing, like everyone that's been on the reason why they were joking at the top, I want to know what that's the thing again, I'm I'm a guy that romanticizes and fetishizes everything, the lore of whatever. So you know, I've heard many stories about the Latin Quarter. So you know, half our guests that have been on the show are

Yeah, but maybe maybe maybe it's because you're generation why you feel that way, because yeah, that was real, and that was it, and that was a risk that we were prepared to take.

That was the only place you could get it exactly. So what was by the time you came to the United States, and please explain that missing that playing back to London reference?

Well, okay, missing the plane back to London reference. First of all, everybody was in the studio still I left. I was supposed to go back to for a few days. And the specific occasion I was supposed to go back to London for is Stevie Wonder's birthday party at Wembley Arena. Boy George not boy George George. Michael and I were supposed to seeing Happy Birthday to him.

Yeah, wow, wow, Well, assuming there was nineteen.

Ninety I missed, Yeah, it was I missed the plane.

Whoa and wait wait you were damn for real?

Yeah, And so I got back in a cab and I went back to Calliope and I went back session and they were doing doingthing and uh Africa and them was like, all right, you got you got eight, go do it. And that's exactly what I did.

Wow. I never knew that reference.

Okay, yeah, but I felt like I felt like shit, like I didn't. It was an achievement to go in and kick some rhymes. But those rhymes were real rhymes because I really I was like, I'm going to get in some people. Oh my god, like because I really did just miss the plane and I'm supposed to be at Wembley Arena in London for Stevie Wonder's Happy Birthday celebration.

I mean, do you still regret it?

I do regret it because I was I don't like not being where I'm supposed to be, and it was like giants, I was supposed to be on stage.

Yeah, but you gotta you have you have an immortalized verse.

So I do have an immortalized verse, but it's for me. It serves the purpose of reminding me that I fucked up.

I understand, I understand. We go bro.

Well, yeah, because it wasn't a real reason. It wasn't a real it wasn't a real reason for me to be late. It was some some vain ship. I left this particular top that I wanted to wear, and I made the bloody driver go back to the house so I could get it.

For good fellas, I don't fly it out my hat. I don't fly it right, You're lucky. So what was the now? The one thing I don't know is post Latin Quarter? What was now? The night Life eighty nine, ninety ninety one, Like, what's where do you? What's your weekly schedule in terms of like we hang at this club at this night and the Night and.

The World on Little thirty Street in the meat Market section of Manhattan, on the west side Little thirty Street. Yeah, the World. The World was a club that Paradise run the door to Paradise Okay, yeah really, And it had five floors and on the roof it was it was a floor, but it was open obviously because it was a roof, and they used to do barbecue up there. So there's a house floor, there's the hip hop, the reggae floor, there's a cool out floor and then there's a barbecue on the roof.

Okay, wait, I do have a question again, your your your speaking voice, in your rhyming voice or night and day like at that period in your teens, were you code switching a little bit in.

Terms of unintentionally yes. And the reason here's where the code switching happened. It didn't happen because of music. It happens because I was going to school at George Wingate High School in Brooklyn, which was metal Detectors and like Brooklyn's version of Joe Clark. And it was just I didn't want the attention that I was getting. I had a Tony Braxton haircut before Tony Braxton, Okay, when I was going to school in Brooklyn. It was like eighty six, right,

I don't so when people will walk up to you, like, just say something exactly, So, how did you what is your what is your Americanized New York?

I studied, however spoke? I studied how everybody spoke?

So how did you speak? Can you switch it? Right now?

She goes in and out anyway?

I do. I do come in and out anyway. We say, like to have me say something or say something to me that's gonna demand and answer and then I'll still do it.

What what did you have for breakfast?

In then?

What did you say?

Wait a minute, Wait a minute, wait wait, wait, wait a minute. First of all, okay, wait first, first of all, I don't even understand what you're saying.

What you want your chop cheese?

I don't eat know chop cheese. That's the Philly ship.

No, it's not, that's New York.

I don't even know.

That's pretty good chop cheese is a New York Philly cheese steak.

Never heard of that ship, neither Cameron made it famous. You know, it's it's basically taking hamburger. It's making a hamburger, but then chopping up the Hamburger and putting on a hero role.

That must be specifically some Harlem shit because it's.

Chop Cheese got its fame around ninety seven, ninety eight. Yeah, on one hundred there's a spoint one hundred and tenth Street. It's at one point it was getting out of hand because like a lot of tourists were coming up there, like risking their lives in front of the projects to get the authentic Yes, the authentic chop cheese.

It's a cheeseburger, a cheeseburger, cheese berger.

I mean, you're you're dismissing it, making it sound like that, but it's okay.

But for we never said we never said here I am, and this is it and this is what this is what it sounds like. And I used to go on Emphire and get either a blimpy sandwich or the Wendy.

Is this fucking person?

Person?

Do you ever want your kids with that voice?

Because that's like the next level ship when when yeah, yeah, angry McFee.

Yeah, angry McPhee is right, it's straight brit I can't even when I'm talking to them and it gets there. But yeah, that's what that's that's the switching. And that's the studying that I did. I study how everybody else spoke like, you won't come, you won't come, get something to eat, You gon eat the school lunch. Now I don't want the school lunch. I'll come with you. Where we go in we go to white Where we go with the White Castle.

Oh all right, mooney, you know this question is coming, alright.

Go ahead, you know it's coming, Okay, like it is a part of this too. I'm just I'm gonna just go ahead.

No, no, no, we ain't even talking about Jesus. Okay, nah, okay, Oh wait, actually have to build up to it because we're still needed tongues. Fuck it, I'm going right to it. No built up, Yeah, no, built up.

Let's see, we'll.

Can you Well. I don't want you to tell the Big Daddy King story. However, I would like you to tell me what hip hop touring was like during that time period because and the reason why I really want to know is because I didn't realize that my group sort of set a precedent that I didn't realize wasn't the norm. Now. You know, you talked about you talked about jay Z's penchant. Uh, for the finer things whatever. But Tarik is very much the same way in you know,

Three Wait a minute, right, So by the time I met you guys, that's what the fuck you guys are.

Yeah, and but wait, here's the deal. Here's the deal. It took care to tell me. No, mere See, the problem is, you guys get hotels every night. Everyone gets their own suite every night, one to a room. You guys spend money. She got story, thousands of dollars. I didn't realize that the way that bands really do it is that if there's a show that night, they all shower at the venue, they sleep on the tour bus, and only on days off they might get a day

Our money break down. Okay, there's there's an area. There's an area in between what you're saying you guys were doing and what you just described, because I wasn't doing no showering and there's no day room ship with no I wasn't no no, no, no, no no, I wasn't. I wasn't. There's I am very much a British girl, okay, and I will that.

With a crest on your pocket. Would a crest on your pocket exactly?

But what it was it was when I say middle of the road in between what you describe both things that you described is, yes, we did. We would ride the toil there's during the night, so we would be in out since we would pull up not at a hotel. We would pull up firstly at the venue. By the time we pull up to a venue, the sound guys and stage guys they'd all be in there. Ship would have already been put up. We get in there, we do sound check first, then we get back in a

Slightly above a Super eight. Who would be on tour around these times?

Okay, best tour that I was ever on. Give you an example of who would be on these types of tours. And the interesting thing about the tours was they were also interchangeable what territories you go to. So, for instance, the tour was the Big Daddy Kane Tour, right, Big Daddy Kane, Headlines, Digital Underground, Queen Latifa, and Third Base. Those are the base groups Big Daddy Kane, Digital Underground,

But still a hamburger.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. So they were and they were fun and it was interesting because I learned how to do the humpty hump while I was on that tour, and this time he taught me how to do humpty hump.

What was his job in Digital Underground during that period.

He was a roadie and a dancer. Wow okay, Yeah, And he figured that me and him were the same because he was a part of Digital Underground crew and I was a part of Latifa's crew, so he kind of figured we were the same. I tried to assure him that I had a much more president position than because I was actually rhyming on a song her say, oh you.

And me are kind of the same, right, Nah, yeah.

He was, he was. Yeah, he was trying to do that. We know we're the same. And I was trying to tell him, no, one of these kids is doing his own thing, like you sets me street mofo go away. You had so you hadn't heard him rhyme at all before I did, because he made sure too. He walked around with a he walked around with a book of He never let that finger, he never let that thing goer.

A right, had more than Park because who was Park at the time.

Exactly, And if that happened, Pop would come to our room and he would sleep Me and him would sleep in the same bed. And that's what that was when we saying, you know, we said because we were like the three Stooges, you know, three of us were always together. And as a matter of fact, we even had packed that in those hotels at the time, those two three star joints whatever, they would have the buffet breakfast every morning,

Yeah, that's justifiable. Yeah, let's just he stopped.

He stopped speaking to me. He he also hid the tabasco that I used to walk around with to put on my corn beef. How she hid it?

Your own personal tabasco collection memory? Yes, I see. Okay, okay, the moany in the middle story. Can we can we.

Get clarification because what what is the big Daddy Kane story that you mentioned?

This is the money in.

The middle story and the moaning middle story of.

The build up. This is the build up that he was talking.

About, Like in my mind based on the video. You know, I thought the past point Dexter character was just some Steve Erkle dweeb. And I didn't know that it was a taste of chocolate. So okay, but I do know what even though stories, even though I know this story, and I know that you know a lot of my generation male rappers have fragile, a fragile egos when it

And that's what I give him props for. To listen, from beginning, from beginning to end, you must understand that Big Daddy Kane is absolutely the number one student of Dolomite. Okay, he is the number one student of Dolomite. Big Daddy Kane does not play himself. I need you to understand this. Big Daddy Kane does not put him put himself in a position where he can be viewed as playing himself. It just does not happen.

That's why they love you.

Okay, So talk about the system.

The system. This is the McDonald's system that Big Daddy Kane came up with, Okay, in order to understand whether I liked him in that way or not. Okay, is this real life?

You're saying? Real life?

Y'all? Yes, we're officially hearing the Money in the Middle story.

This is the story that inspired Middle.

But there's some crazy ship.

I've told you this you okay, all right, So we're we're in d C. I can't remember the name of the hotel. But there's this one specific hotel that everybody whenever you go to d C, it was, that's the one.

I only know this because old Daddy Bastard once crashed the car into one.

Of the because I remember, Yes, that's the same, Yes, it's the same hotel. Do you know?

All right, Fronte, you got to know this days in when when you're going to d C. Well you too, you know that days in check.

It's a whole strip of hotels everybody using.

Yes, but every rapper stays when they first start. Now in that days in all right lutely.

So I attracted I don't know, the ladies first, and the whole nine yards and the vibe that it gives us a lot of women, a lot of girls on the sister Girl girls, sister power. You know. I attracted a lot of girls. And all the girl and all the girls had cars. All the girls had cars. So the guys that were all in whose room were they in? They were in Cane's room. Latifa was in there too. They were playing steel and they were stealing everybody's per

Place it on the night stand or on the far table right.

So then so then to Scrap, well, it looks like you're going to be giving him his food. And he was like why, and I was like, because I like you.

So just just so we know, this is this is this is the Black Serrano diversi act stories of which Kane ask Sereno diversi act is telling his boy give her instructions on how let her know if it's on or not. Yeah, it's like fist grade. I love it. It's like it's like scrap and Scrap says he Scrap says. It looked like I'm gonna be giving him back tonight. Wait, what was Scrap throwing off? Did he know that you dug him?

He didn't?

Did he give him the bad he gave?

He gave Kanu's food and then and then you know, he gave Kanu's food and then came you know, Caine didn't make no face or nothing like that. It just was what it was.

That that to me, is that yeah, that that's the next level of yes no, or maybe.

It is like the little note that you send.

But it was a quarter founder or not? Wow, what inspired you to make a song about it?

Don't no, I have no idea why. I it started talking to me when I started hearing the beat, because of course Monium Noddle was produced by the Faiyan Cannibals by Andy Cocks and David Steele. And when I heard it was the runaway breakbeat. Correct, Yeah, So when I'm listening to it, it just started talking to me, and I just started replaying that whole DC night in my head, and I was like, I was in the middle. I was in the middle.

I was definitely in the Actually wait, wait, I gotta correct myself. And only only because Sheila Sheila E corrected me on this is that we call that. We call that drum track the runaway break, But we only found out that because of the way that they rhythmically segued that album Runaways technically the last thing said on the

And mo was your birth control?

Because it's funny because I would have never known how hard money in the Middle actually is to perform until I actually did it one day for your birthday. But your breath control is kind of crazy. Was it always like that?

Or did? Yeah?

Really?

Yeah?

It sounds like control.

To make sure I was one, I was like, this is I know.

Her birth control?

Her birth control wasn't crazy?

I know. No, my birth introl sucks?

Yeah yeah yeah.

Time out Yeah all right. Wait, we should also clarify that the lyrical the lyrical complexity of that song, which I believe you're talking about the hook is two people. And this is also a good time to bring Lashawan absolutely, so wait I always wanted to know because I never got to talk to Lashawan. And of course Lashawan is the voice of ellll Is doing it absolutely and Shana of Biddies in the BK Lounge, the woman of a

Like?

Who was she the protege of? And how she started hanging around?

She's an MC in her own right. And I don't know how she met the Jungle Brothers, but I met her because I was date in Africa and she was actually dating Sammy b and she and t have a son together. Her first child is Sammy Beat okay. And so I was fresh from England and she wanted people the women that I met when I came here to this country as Africa's girlfriend, you know, Africa's girlfriend who has a record deal, who he's producing the rest of

By that voice. I can tell it.

Okay.

Were there immediate plans to like get her a deal or she?

Oh? No, she was. She was an artist in her own right. She had the deal. She was signed to Wild Pitch the original doing it right.

But as I'm enjoyed, did she ever get no?

No? No. She was signed as Alma Joy. That's her artist's name. Her real name is Lashawan. She was signed for Wild Pitch as Almond Joy doing it well, God flips on.

I totally what's the name of the song on the B side?

Totally awesome?

Okay, I see so okay. In doing Ladies First, which you know has has gone down in history, how did that collaboration come to be?

Well? Number one, I told you that Dave Funking client bought True Mathematics younger brothers ChIL Rubg and Queen Latifa to England and they did a stream of shows and they were at Camden and that's where I met them.

Yeah.

Well, after that they had they drove over to England on a tour bus that they picked up in Germany and it was a German bus driver. And he couldn't make heads and tails of the UK maps to be able to get from A to B to their next shows. So funking client asked me, would I mind riding the bus with them getting the maps out, sitting next to the bus driver to help me, which is why in the documentary that you did quest And when Shaquin was talking he said money was kind of like a tour guide.

Speaking of the uh, the the allure of native tongues. When do you officially, when do you officially feel like the movement that was once the native tongues is over? Now?

I still don't feel like that. Oh okay, yeah, maybe that's just me. I still don't feel like that. I don't feel like that. I think we're I think we are in the midst of the strangest and longest hiatus ever.

Okay, how but there was a period where it got awkward awkward.

But no, no, that's a good word. No no, no, keep that it's a good word awkward.

And since and since you're my closest connection to Africa, and since I just paid about fifty bucks for that freaking record. Uh, they just re released the original Crazy Wisdom Masters, which is really not that different. They okay, so the third album after done by the Forces of Naister was called crazy Wisdom Masters, and so I guess the way that the story went was that by the time that Benny Medina had really come at the Helm of Warner Brothers, he was like, nah, it ain't happening right.

Which was I just I don't understand Africa. No, no, I don't understand him.

Wait he was you were on warners.

I just yeah, but you would you would think that I don't know, I don't know. I just I guess I can't meet people and and have such close ties with people and and have so much involvement with people and then just completely drop them afterwards. I don't know how to do that. He knows how to do that very well.

Yeah.

Did you even know that he was my oldest child's god and he forced himself to be like he really made it a big deal to be like I want to be her golf Like why because it's like years later.

She doesn't even know him.

He no, oh wow, Yeah, it's an interesting dude. But anyway, you were saying.

Well, no, I it just hit me now that he was also I guess assuming that he was head of your division as well. It's so weird because if I could mark the sort of weird point of Warner Brothers, at least with Kane's career, with Prince's career.

Also he also he also or frustrated that whole Peter, that whole Prince thing with me.

Right when he came aboard, things got a little different. Now I'm personally cool with him.

But Na when she know whack that was like Warner if you just I you were a DJ, if you saw a Warner brother sticker and you knew it was some bullshit off rip, you was like, nah, it's wanted this ship whack right, and.

Ah, so yeah, I was going to ask what was it like being under that, Like did you did you have a relationship with Moe Austin at the time or I didn't.

I didn't. My relationship was Peter Edge, Benny Mezina time out.

Peter Edge was at Warner too, Pizza.

Edge, I'll do better than at Wanna. Pizza Edge came from England to the United States to Warner Brothers, made that transition during my first album. During my transition, Pizza Edge was my an r at Chrysalis, cool.

Tempo okay, yeah, so exactly.

So Peter Edge came from there with me. It was like the trinity. It was like my liver, Puddle and manager, Steve Finnan and Peter Edge. Three of us came from England to the United States.

Peter Man like God, the there was a night where listen a mayor.

I gave him so much ship. I gave him so much ship about that Prince thing. I didn't want to do it. I was annoyed. I was like, what does this have to do with hip hop? I gave Peter Ridge so much ship and he was so smart, he was just so smart with it. And I just the plane ride, the plane ride to Minneapolis, I was being a bitch. I don't want to be here. I don't want to be on this plane. Why am I going to Minneapolis? What does Paisley have to do with hip hop?

And I didn't prince at all, like you know, no, not even with his legacy.

And I loved his I loved him for him, But you said I could not understand the mass.

You're afraid of your credibility of doing something? Absolutely yeah, And the thing was from for me.

It's just so interesting to hear the way you talk about the money, because to me, in a word or two, is the only time that Prince ever got hip hop halfway right, Like like, you know, I loved that song, you know what I'm saying. Like, I loved that song, you know what I mean? And I thought I always thought it was very unique. How you you know what

No, But in a word or two, I love that song. I was like, what was it like? And how long did you stay at Paisley Park?

Oh? My god, I was there forever he had. He made a comment for my husband at the time, he made accommendations for my brand new baby, which is Charlene. At the time, he was like, whatever it is going to be to keep her happy, for her to be here for a long period of time to work, That's where I'm going to have her. And even to the point where he had shows to do at Earl's Court in England. So I thought we were going to break and we were going to get to go back to

Was the prime purpose to strictly write for Carmen or was it like, Okay, I'll do Carmen's album and I'll do your record as well.

Yes, that's what it was. Because See the thing is when Peter rech first sat me down and told me the whole thing. You know, he wants you to write for Carmen Electure, I was like, all right, cool, but then it was like, and he's going to do a certain amount of songs on your album. That's when I was like, nahna that that's what I was like, why, why, why can't I just do that?

All right? So my first visit to Paisley Park one of the most shocking things that I discovered. I went to his office is connected to like Studio A, and you know, while Fimi Jay I was sort of looking the other way, I snuck on Prince's office just to look at his record collection and see like what was into So I saw a CD player and I was shocked that Midnight Marauders was in it.

Oh wow.

I was like, oh shit, Prince listen to tribe. That's crazy.

Wow.

What was his IQ into? As far as like hip I was concerned how much did he know about you? How much did he know about all those things?

He did not talk to me about native tongues, He did not talk to me about hip hop period that he knew everything about me. He knew the songs that I had released prior to coming to America, prior to coming prior to being signed to because he knew my cool tempo. Shit, you know what I'm saying. He knew that. Yeah, he knew that ship. He even knew he even knew my Just Bad Productions release.

As we remind our younger listening audience that the Internet was not around at the time, So this is a big deal.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, he knew. He knew about me enough to be able to It wasn't just It really wasn't a cold working environment. It was going to be a teachable moment for you. Momy these weeks that your hair is going to be a teachable moment for you. Learn I learned. I learned to stop fighting fighting creativity because that entire experience with Prince was just a damn flusit flowing of creativity that I was fighting because of a general pig headed bias of non hip hop and I

Exactly was there any fear or in trepidation in your husband at the time in his mind that Prince was just trying to groom you to being a long line of muse slash Prince Johns.

No, because I was too fat. I just had a baby, right I was.

Yeah. I think, yeah, I think the baby might have saved you.

You know. I mean although although listen to this, though he was with my Tay at the time, and he this was prior to them their their child, you know. Blessed, Blessed the little angel in heaven.

In fact, his name was a mirror Wow.

Wow Wow, and and he had a fascination with babies because he had me bring her to a show one of the shows that he did in Earth's Court when I had to go to England when he was doing shows at Earth's Court.

And I went to the show and I had her in my arms and during the middle of during an eight bar break in it, oh sexy, sexy, m f right, he came to the side of the stage and was like, go do eight bars right now. I'm like what, I had the baby in my arms. He was like, give me the baby.

Yeah, really, yes, that's crazy, and.

He said give me the baby. So I handed him Charlena. So he's standing at the side of the stage with Charlene and he's like, go ahead, go do eight bars. So I went out. I went out there, I totally blacked out did eight bars because it was shocked and it was fair and it was just like, I went I did the eight bars, I came back off, he handed me the baby. He ran back out and continued.

Everything comes down to pan cakes in this particular episode fantastic.

Oh my god, it was really it was. It was so strange, but but I didn't realize. I didn't make the connection until years later when I was watching the Chappelle Show m hm, and then I was like, and then I was like, holy ship, he does this pancake ship?

He does that?

Does this mean most that you were actually in the studio with Carmen Electra, like you had.

To, dude. She wrote everything go all this ship?

So what is that like?

Like?

Because this is the first.

Time I want to ask about all that.

Now because no, we there, We're there there.

Right, Okay, So for those who don't know, in one of these strangest what was what was the old boy's name that Jane Finder used to be married to? Wasn't he would like colorize all his classics? Yeah? And right, So for Prince fans, he took the Adore reels and redid a door with Carmen called all that and yeah, it didn't go down to too well. But what was it like working with Karma Karma Carmen at the time period? I mean you you basically built her, You built it was.

It was fun. It was fun. She's she's absolutely, she's she was. Actually she was actually the hip hop fan in the room.

Wow.

Really yeah, because because where's Carmen from?

I can't remember? But it was ghetto as fuck, really really really really yeah, like it was.

It was And she didn't come in the door as that image or that name. So during this period you're getting to know her as whatever, what is it? What is it? Room Electric? Damn? It's terribly Patrick, Damn. How did you know that?

Because I got because I got Google, Bitch, you knew that already.

Yeah, comfortable. That came from a recalled memory.

Does it say where she's from.

Working on that as we spoke, Yeah, because he has just because I don't know off the top exactly she's from Sharonville, Ohio exactly.

Can you go meth lab? There you go?

Right, the four meth labs were a thing. She was like the first meth labber An Electric could have been she could have been the first Nikki Minaj at.

This bitch exactly.

Well, he tried it.

Let's see what what I'm saying is, I remember that she was from some place that that wasn't you know, hoity toity, you know, pretty city. She he was from someplace rough. And that's from speaking to her and and developing a friendship in a relationship with her to this day me and Carmen a lecture a call to this, you know what I'm saying, which is so dope, but to this day, and that's that was the rap fan, and that was the real hip hop fan in the

I could tell she was a fan, like you know, wow.

Yeah, which is which is another reason why like which is another reason why she caught my ship Like this, like this, and I write, I don't write specifically to cater to uh people that can't breathe, you know what I'm saying, Like, I write specifically intricate. I write in a manner in which I don't want people to be able to recite my ryme. Yeah, that's how I write, you know. I specifically write complicated, double double.

I still can't say the word Mary Lee exactly. You can't say to either, oh my gosh, Charlie Patrick, what I'm here?

But yeah, she she that girl is incredible. She's and it's like she's not the first person. She's not the first woman to have although it might be the first woman with her lyrics written by a woman. The first woman is Rhyman with her lyrics written by another woman. That might be a first exactly, But she caught everything she caught. And that's why I bet you when you heard get On Right, I bet you when you heard that song you said to yourself, that sounds like money.

No, I mean you know I knew that someone. I believe that at the time, the same could be safe for Tony m there there. It was like that the DNA was real hip hop at the time, like what you were doing when rock Him was doing, what Kine was doing, like all that iambic pentameter. You know so, yes, moan so in your transition to radio, how awkward was it at the time in doing that?

Not awkward at all. I didn't. Again, again, I can't.

I can't even say diversiac. So you know, I'll be.

Hold on.

You just turned into a different bird. It's like, there should be no reason why I sho know syrh I know syranh though, Okay, I would just say take the diverse rect I like it. Take the dice you, Steve Barton, there you go. References on the phone for you up man, Wow, what timing anything like that or in proper nowns that Amir does not know how to.

Say, Mary Lee, Oh damn.

You were not cricature. Best wedding gift ever.

The caricature You're still clutching something loud and wrong, so loud, go loud.

Proud and you said that loudly.

Yeah, full of people.

It was a lovely cricature.

Me and my wife at his wedding.

They gave everybody their own care and we all like what was like, what the fricature?

Yes, so money you need to teach these guys. Maybe some English.

Lessons, Yeah, I ambic pentameter, what the fuck?

Go ahead? Well yeah, but the thing is money is that assuming that you didn't go to communications school to learn to do this in front sale and back sale or whatever. See, I'm even forgetting the terms for a radio. How how much of a crash course did it take for you to master it?

It was like night school, and honestly, a whole sitcom could be made out of night school on radio actually learning how to broadcast during the unsociable hours of the morning to the point, to the point. And it was me and miss Jones together.

Fuck it was Miss Jones. Yeah, you started in Philly.

No, we both saw it at Hot ninety seven in New York.

Okay, okay.

And Steve Smith?

Who what did that? Who offered that? How did that come to be?

They had they had ed and Dre in the morning, they had funk Master Flex, they had Angie from whatever station it was before flipped and they kept Angie and uh, somebody's bright idea to Steve Smith, who was the person that flipped the station, was like, you should seek out some other bonafide potential personalities that you think would fit. My manager got the call to bring me in to meet with Steve Smith. I went in. He said, how do you feel about being on the radio? And I

You know at the time, are you still were you eat? Were you auditioning still?

Or you were just like the one one acting thing that I'm out or was that before I'm trying to put the timeline together.

Doing what now?

Acting?

What did I miss acting?

Because she did?

I did? Who's the man? And strapped?

Strapped?

Yeah, yeah, I mean that type of stuff was happening then. I was still recording music, you know. So it's like, what do I want to be in a radio for? I know nothing about being on the radio, Steve Swistel, Because like, I will teach you and I will get your FCC license for you. What the heck is an FCC license?

To day? I was going to ask that and do we need it?

No?

But you no, you don't. But you on terrestrial radio you had to have an FCC license back in the days.

Be able to pronounce terrestrial radio. Yeah, I was going to skip that word because you know.

And where you and where you got secrets?

Because I know sometimes see in radio they let you come in at night too, because they want to surprise everybody and be like, hey, and mony love is.

Now to the radio station.

Yet they didn't announce us as announces yet, but they were training us. And let me tell you something, me and miss Jones would be messing up badly at night time. They'd they'd be dead there for like forty five minutes and then then and then the mics will be up and we're talking about I hate that guy. I went out with him and he was such a piece of ship and did and then she get a phone call like, uh, you guys have the microphone on. No, like we was

Well, I consider this to be a lucky opportunity because you know, I'm on a platform on iHeart, but I kind of have some say in who I get to interview, and I tend to gravitate to my tribe and who I like and who I know. I've given a bunch of news to people.

Thats going no, no, no, I didn't even get there yet.

But in doing to restre l, I don't know, just four syllables is killing me right now. And doing terrestrial extra terrestrial radio. In terrestrial radio, yeah, you don't necessarily have a say in not even who you play, but who you interview and all those things. So how do you handle when you're you know, if you're five six years in and you're interviewing your artists that you are indifferent on or you don't know even now, Like if NBA nothing against NBA, young boy, I'm just picking the

You, No, you you You got to read up on it. If it's something you if it's a person that you don't particularly care for, but you know, an interview is demanded of that person because of whatever is going on. Uh, they got something new coming out, they have a project whatever, buth blah blah blah, whatever it is, that makes sense, you have to read up on him and do a little history so that you can prepare your questions. Doesn't matter if you like him or not. You got to

That was Yeah, well that's called white privilege. But that's another conversation.

Well it's also male tox sixty. I didn't realize that he I didn't even realize that he had a relationship with Megan Markle.

He tried sociopathic lower scale. But sociopathic narcissist is what that person is.

Penis my Penis Myers. Yes, yes, Penis Morgan, there is you know what you.

Know what I said something. I was having a conversation with my oldest daughter about it, right, and I said to her, I was like, if I had to give you a quick analogy of what that whole situation was between the Penis Morgan guy and Magel Megan Marco, it would be this. Remember back in the days when a girl were brought past a bunch of guys. He'd be like, baby, what's up, what's up? And you don't answer, and then the guy goes, fuck you there, bitch. That's that.

That's what there was. Yes, got you got curved.

Yeah, because she didn't show up today. She met Harry that night.

And story that's that whom Harry appears.

Okay, let's get into it. Oh you know the thing is, I don't know this story.

It's perfect if she's sitting here because she is the reason why the ship went viral.

Well yeah, because well yes, because.

As Moni said, we were on we were on the morning show together and it was funny because we knew was coming. But everybody was really kind of more scared of what I was going to say to him, and I thought that was the fascinating part.

Everybody was preparing me, like, you know, don't say this because at the time I.

Was let me just add that if y'all think, like we're on at least what episode one, one six right now, If y'all think is unhindl on this show, well not yet. But he's the only person I know that would routine Jailey like talk ship about jay Z.

I'm sorry, I can't stop laughing.

Well, Money Money was there that day too where I got warned about us, and the problem was in the mirror.

You know.

The real problem was is that I was like a whole roots warrior chick, right, So I was just like, and.

I was on, you're about to stop the bag like that.

Z was like, it's true, but it's true that person to say that.

No, no, yeah, But at the time that was when the Roots was on Deaf Jam and as we know all Pitt Pop fans, no, he didn't really do much for the Roots brand, and I was like, what the fuck? So yes, I asked him those questions. But anyway, and anyway, so back to Gez though, Yeah, so I was the one that was the girl that would you know, crush fifty cent CDs Live on the air and stuff like that, because I was just like, what is this ship is killing the black community?

Da da da da dae.

Monie would even pull me to the side and say, like, you know, be calm when he comes, just let him talk.

Blah blah blah blah.

Okay, money cool cool mony. So but then he comes and I'm cool. I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing. And this is this is the period when NAS had the what hip Hop Is Dead?

Album?

Yeah, yes, yes, And now, Monie, this is where you pick up the conversation.

Now keep going, I will, I'll chime in.

Okay.

So we're talking about hip hop and I cannot remember how Pooch picked how he started the conversation about hip hop being dead, but money it was like she got the holy hip hop spirit and she was like, yeah, hip hop is dead.

Now. Jeez didn't like that.

No, okay, now I need to stop.

He okay, O correct me.

So, yes, Poosh brought something up about you know, how do you feel? He asked Gezi the question, how do you feel about NAS's new album and his saying that hip hop is dead, and so JIZI basically said, well, I feel like, how can you really say that? Like, I don't really think that that's accurate to say that, because that's how that's how I make my living, that's how a lot of us are making our living. We got stuff to say still, and so then I then jumped in on us and he was He was like,

And definitely the stuff getting played on the radio right and.

Then the more commercial stuff. It was it was all of those aspects of hip hop that we're all getting equal light. And I think what Nas was trying to say at this time, and this is me talking to Jesz, so I think what Nas is trying to say at this time is that right now it's all one sided. It's all about the street life and and and and the bitches and the and the money and the cars and the this and the that, and that's not everything. So the the the aspect of hip hop's multifaceted self

Yes, and at this time Gzi was not ready for that intellectual breakdown. And at this moment, I'm not sure, I think me and if we were not sure due to his response to money and money you break down the response because again okay, so.

Then after that, so that after that, he was like he he kind of got animated in his speech pattern and was like, well, you know, you got a whole different type of appreciation of hip hop, ain't you from England?

And so then I was like, so this is when.

Me and pooshe realize he don't know who he talking to right now?

Yes, well that's what that's what he thinks, because she said that said it.

I was I said it on the mic. I was like, who you know who you're talking to right now? Right? I swear to god. He didn't say money love.

He was like, yeah, you were that money love.

He was like, you got a whole different appreciation to you know what. You know, we grew, we came up listening to something else, And in my head, I'm saying to myself, dude, you're not that much younger than me, Like that's that's not gonna fly. You're not that much younger to me. It's not that big of a difference. And yes, I came up in in uh in England, but it's the same hip hop. So basically we should we should be pulling from the same waters, the same streams, let me.

Interrupt, to his credit, not to his credit, but hip hop generations. It's like, if you're before the five or after the five is night and day. So me being born in seventy one, like anyone born after seventy five is almost like you might they might as well be twenty years younger.

You know why that doesn't make sense to me. I'm gonna tell you why.

Exceptione, Wait, were you born I want seventy eight? Yeah, like Fante has like a savants knowledge of music, but anyone else I know, in seventy eight, I might as well be talking to someone born now eighty six.

As I sit here and I listen to you as I sit here and I listen to you say that, I'm going to say this. I now have an appreciation for that factor. And so now right now I'll say, you know what, he really could have been on some different for real, genuinely on a different lanes and pulled from a different string. But back then I was looking at it like, dude, you're not getting a young card. You're not that much younger than me. We should have been pulling from the same streams. Why are you not

How are you on this show?

She's just against.

Each other?

When his ass stood up though, because that's the part I was trying to remember, That's the part when I was like, wait.

What what's going on? Why are you standing.

Physical?

No, he was about to know he's about to roll.

He was, he was. He was like, well, who is NAS to say this anyway? And at that point, okay, okay, okay, so okay, so y'all remember Kim Wayne's and her missus Jenkins.

Uh, you ain't heard it from me? Oh, don't you talk about miss Yeah?

Okay, okay, start crying, okay, okay, don't talk about don't don't talk don't don't talk about nas. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. That's a bad idea. And so he stood up and was like, who is nas to say this? And I was like, oh, oh, and now you will tell you when I hit that note of the oh, it's a problem when I when you hear me say, oh.

I thought it was it was a Nazis hip hop? Was it a Nazis hip hop?

He was likens?

And then I was wait when he was like when he said, who is not to say that? And I was like, somebody that's been here for a very long time. And when he says that, I was not gun got niggas in the Feds. And I was like, and at that point, if you watch the video, you will hear me mumbling on the mic in a low mono tone voice, it's dead. You just killed hip hop right now. It's dead, right now, it's dead, right, it's dead right now? With everything you're saying right now is dead. You just killed it.

Don't forget back then. He if you remember when, like I think a month before he was I mean, was clearly a fifty cent troll move. But he was talking about like, you know, I'm gonna meet with John McCain and see what he's about. This was like I remember that, all right. He was he was a musical guest on SNL I think in September October two thousand and eight. It was kind of just putting out there, like, you know, just because Obama's played on me, I'm gon vote for him,

About and selling snowman shirts to little black kids, and I don't do that.

I remember, Yeah, that's when I had a problem. I mean, he's cool now, you know, but.

Yeah, you know, in essence, Laiah filmed the whole thing. Did not know she was filming it, Okay, Laiah ran out of the room as soon as that goddamn interview was over, and she loaded that ship to every possible blog in the world at that time, and that shit went viral like a move so quickly, and was wait, here's the here's the crazy, craziest part. Nobody knows. I don't even know if you knew this, Layah. Nobody knows that I had been undergoing a renegotiation with the radio

Yeah, that's that's radio.

That's radio.

Shit, that's radio. It wasn't used to celebrities. So they just regularly.

Basically anything to do with my voice, anything to do with myself. If I wanted to write a book, if I wanted to be in a movie, anything, I would have to go to the radio station for permission. And that was the only problem with the contract that I had. The money was great, we were at a good place

Have you seen him since?

I have not seen him since. But what's really interesting is he worked on a song and he worked with a producer called Ko. Ko is my child's, my son's godfather, and my daughter was in Atlanta at the time. Yeah, uh huh, and my daughter sang on a song the Greatest, which was on one of Jez's mixtapes. Wow my child, Yes, yeah.

Yeah, that's so crazy.

But what's fun? But what's crazy? She said. She met him at what is Diddies at the Revolt convention in two thousand and sixteen, I think it is, and she said that she said to him, you know, I sang on that song blah blah blah blah blah, and it was she sang on it. And he asked, the story is he acts Kao? You know? Kao told him who it wasnt sang on it whatever, And he asked Ko to put somebody else on it, like a known person or whatever, take my daughter off of it, and Kao said, no,

All right.

I'm not going to tell you what the conversation was between me and Jeezi, but yeah, he did to reach out to me, And in my head, I'm saying to myself, you're damn right he reached out to you because that sounded ill. All of that do He got people in the fad dude that like, dude, it sounded it sounded ill, So you're damn right. He made sure that the man made sure that he called the other man to have a conversation, right, and then throw the woman under the bus. Oh,

Not ye, which was the opposite.

That's funny, you know, I don't you know, I don't know. I don't know what type of females at that time he was used to having conversations with, and and I don't know if perhaps I don't know if perhaps my conversation may have been a little too quote unquote uppity in his eyes at that time, you know. But but the bottom line is the gz that I see today is exactly who I thought I was talking to. It was exactly who I was trying to reach. I knew

Oh shit, don't do that. Don't do that.

That was like, all right, when was it?

Yeah?

That was yeah? Eight?

If I was there, it was okay, all right, thirteen No, no, it wasn't no, no, no no. I left that station in February of two thousand and seven. That was two thousand and seven. Wow, ok, yeah, that was two thousand and seven.

My final question is, now that you're at the state in in your life and all that you've achieved in anything, is there anything that you've yet to do? Do you get these? Do you do you get? Is there an itch that you I want to scratch as far as like.

Aside from the one sorry second to last question.

Ultra, Wow you went there, yeah, Ultra real quick. So Ultna, what was it like.

Working She's this tiny little powerhouse person. Oh my gosh, Ultnata opens her mouth and it's like she has a superpower. It's like she opens her mouth and everything turns into a tornado as soon as she opens her mouth. And she's so tiny, she's a small little package of just terror as soon as she opens her mouth.

Oh, I do have a question.

She's singing on I was just saying to declared, but She's the one to singing on Ring my Bell.

Absolutely and that is ulternate and it was fun working well.

She's a big house singer, like she's legendary singer.

Huge, huge, legendary. I was so grateful to be able to work with her. And again this comes from the mindset of not getting in my own way as far as creative, you know what I mean.

Yeah, let me just ask because I know you guts your last question. I just thought of something too.

Can you mo as a as a legend in this game and as a as a commentator as well? Can you talk about like who some of the young folks, because I know you tuned into the young folks as well, but like who you're listening to and the younger sisters as well when it comes to MC's because I don't want to just ask you about female mcs, but I was just curious.

Honestly, try I'm trying to listen to a lot more. I tune a lot of it out. My kids are annoying, but for the sake of trying not to alienate them, I do make a conscious effort to give them car time when we're in the car and car DJ time so they could play stuff. But the only thing that I can't get past, and it's like I try not to be this hypocrite, is there was a period of time where we were cursing in our music and there were curses and they'd be curses, but for some.

Reason, not like this, what is this?

What is it? I don't It's like every other freaking word and I didn't. I do experments. I do experiments in the.

Car all the twee.

Where I'm like, Okay, go ahead, play your stuff. Lacy's twelve, that's my youngest, and shit, I'll I'll be like, all right, play your stuff. And it's like, oh, put to give me a head and the bitch and I'm like god, God, and I'm like, I'm not a prude. We've said curses. You know what I'm saying, day get a half all day. That's that's our era, you know what I'm saying. Like we have stuff, but it just it's just like it's like I don't get a break.

You're an adult.

It's like I don't get a break.

Well, wait, since you're talking about your kids, which one of your kids has sort of inherited your your taste because a lot of I'm always curious on how hip hop parents raise their kids, Like do their kids know who they are are the exact opposite, you know, like which one has your taste? Like you can stop down and be like, okay, this one, you know news the old.

The oldest one, and it's by d four because she was everything I really didn't. She just was around. It was it was just a natural thing with her, the oldest one, and she's thirty now. The rest of them, they're just there. They're into what they're into. And I try to listen. I do, and I do it often because I don't went there to be too much separation between us. I understand and appreciate that the times have changed and that what they listen to is vastly different

Yeah, we like old school, we like Beyonce right right, Grandmas.

No more than anything, they bond with me on some rock. Like my kids know food Fighters, they know Nirvana songs, they know Stone Temple pilots, they know yeah they're because I'm I'm a rockhead too, so they know that stuff more than they know a lot of the hip hop that I grew up listening to. They're more absolutely absolutely, oh totally, but more totally, but more more. My twelve year old knows Incubus like the back of her hands. And that's because I am. Yeah, I am a huge

Damn this was up? This wait? I can't I have one last question, but I have two because I got to ask about how how did how did the alumni form?

I can't let you.

Your supergroup Uh special ed Chup rock Uh.

I have to say Dave Locus Dave Locus because he just texted me and said, make sure he gets his shout out.

No he didn't.

Wow, damn day, please answer.

Well, Dave was already managing Kwame. I don't know how they all got this idea together, but they did. I was the last person to be called. Kwame text me and said he needed to talk to me about something. Called me, spoke to me about the concept. Would I be interested? I'm right, yeah, I'd be interested, and it was. It was very quickly put together after that, and we started doing shows almost immediately. But here's the thing, right, No,

Well, y'all sound like Bingo Long and the Traveling All stuff.

Listen. I will watch that show though, when I listen, when I tell you that this is the most glorified group of misfits ever, but it works.

And how how does it feel to be able to do that though?

Because it was a time when like artists like y'all, like, I feel like it was a resurgence of doing shows and stuff. I mean, even though it's COVID now, but it just feels good to be able to watch, y'all. So how much good does it feel to be able.

To do It feels great? Because here's the thing of Maror. We don't get on and I do a set of songs, and then I get off, and then Chubb comes on and does a set of songs, and then he gets up. It is absolutely I'm doing We're all on listen, We're all on stage doing ad libs in each other's songs, be in each other's hype. Man, check this out, I sing, excuse me not saying I scatted the horn solo and treat them right. Every show.

I scat, I scat the entire horn solo of treat them right.

Everything between the five of you, like with all your respective hits and the well loved classic album cuts. That's that's a very tight, damn near could could be near two hour extravaganza.

It is. We condense it because a lot of shows, whether we get on the bill, we only get like you know, it might be twenty minutes, thirty minutes or something like that. You have to we have to condense the show, so we tail and make it according to whatever billing we're on. And then please let us not forget. We have a DJ set in the middle of our show because DJ tap Money I said, yes, it's our DJ.

Does he still have his half Roy.

Yeah, no, he doesn't have it. He doesn't have his hat, well he does, but it's on his belly now.

Oh damn.

Anyways, the way I know that is because he does a belly He lifts his shirt up as part of his DJ set and he's moved the fade with his belly.

Wow.

So yeah, yeow okay, this is perfectly yo.

I should remind everybody you guys, mony's closing our women's history mouff, and I just wanted to say, it's so perfect because I don't think people give you flowers enough and I'm so glad that you had this line to stay with us like flowers. Cists like flowers flowers so much.

No, man, I did not know that you know your your I guess kind of the tentacles of your career win as far as they did. And this is the first time I'm hearing any of these stories, you know what I mean. This is amazing, Like you really, you really weren't inspiration and you know again, just in a word or two for me, I was like, man, man, that was the one I love that song and that's the only time Prince got hip hop right for me.

And the fact that he did it with you, I think that says a lot about you.

Definitely intertwined a lot. I'm really glad that you guys have me had me on a mayor. One of my fondest memories of the roots is I pledged myself to be their sister, okay. And I was so serious about being sister to the roots that when they won Grammys that year, I drove by myself from New York to Philly at night time by myself to go to their Grammy party. At hah, that'd be a night.

No, it wasn't like.

Action and Adventure.

No, only only because that was the night where they where they played the clip of us winning and then uh. I asked my girlfriend and I'm like, wait, what does in theory mean? And she's like, that means he didn't deserve to win it. And I was like, wait, did Mope just say in theory the roots. She's like, yes, he did. And I was like, I've never I've never Yeah,

And no one feels like to get the fight with movie.

Wow.

Yeah, that kind of started that. That planted the seed of me like not wanting praise and I don't deserve this ship. That like that really did a number on me. Like he he gave me a heartfelt email apology once. I told a friend of his, like, you know what, how bad that not hurt me, but just affected me to the point where I was indifferent to that ship and he felt really bad about it, so he apologized. But yeah, that night I had a whole, you know, a whole nother view of that Grammy party. Like I

What's funny.

He didn't even never ship.

He didn't even talk about the real fight that went down at the party. But we'll talk about that later. That ship was illed.

It was yes, mother to shoot the couple fight, A couple against couple, Ruth's number, ruth member and girlfriend.

And yeah, yo, name, can I tell it?

Yeah?

Sure, real quick?

Okay?

Was it? Was it someone that was married in the band?

Yeah?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was married. They were fighting the first uh keyboard player, that's what they remember. It was the first keyboard.

Player and girl friend and yeah.

Versus the new one and his gangster wife. All right, I've done and money. Sorry he was to love, he was getting love. I'm so sorry. Oh my god, oh my god.

Whoa Yeah, I did not know this. Okay. Revelations story Storge Episode one.

Yeah, can is this permission? Because this is just because you said it on tape?

Yeah? I don't see why not?

Oh yod, thanks thanks mo.

Thank you mom. I appreciate it. Thank you ladies and gentlemen. Money love h question of.

Supreme you guys still hear me?

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