QLS Classic: Lenny Kravitz (Part 2)

So I'm saying, is that the type of album where you're like, you're done with it? And that's well, I'm done with every album when it's done. I'm done with everything. Once it's finished, I'm onto the next. But um, I love that record, and uh I don't regret a thing, you know, But the pressure of you still singing like in it over till it's over, Like in your mind, is she's still the target of that song? Like can you? I mean, it's her song, you know. And it's actually

really interesting because I mean, we're we're best friends. We're back to brother and sister, we're best friends. I'm with her kids, her husband were all together. Everybody's it's one big family, which is the way it should be. But she came to She hadn't been to a show in a million years since we were together. She had not been to a show, and she came to a show on the Struck tour, and she was with Zoe. And it's the first time Zoe's seen her mom at my show.

So here's all of us and I'm singing these songs. I my mama said that her. Your mama wasn't at the show too in New York. Yes, were you there at the Webster? Yes, and we're doing those clubs. Wait, that's the first time she saw you? Yes, in the second Yes, I want but she it was I looked up. I wasn't. I didn't know if I looked up, and I saw I was watching her hands and both of

them with this look on their face. And it was beautiful because it was it was the first for all of us, right, And then I guess towards the end of the show, they actually ran out, went to the to the DELI went to the shop and got flowers and were throwing flowers at the stage. It was a thing. It was beautiful. I had hoped for a little bit because I was, you know, watching her like I was turning on to freaker out, but I kept watching her like watching I was like, Yo, she's really engaged in this.

And you know you remember that moment where like interrupted the right you want a different world. Why do you see what we're dealing with here? I mean I was on that. I was on that it. No, it was. It was really cool to see how amicable. So no, the record is is a beautiful memory and I have no problem with those songs. Are singing him or what was? Can I ask what was her reaction to first hearing it? Then? Yeah, I don't know. At that point it was it wasn't

It wasn't like that. So it wasn't like you finished it, I'm not you know. Yeah. It was more more than anything in the world. Was that one was a state of depression. There was a two week period where I didn't sleep where I was. I had had a guy living with me, like just watching me like I was ready to jump out the window. It was bad. I wasn't sleeping, I wasn't eating. You can hear that shit in your voice. That song was cut on a on

a what was it called Porter Studio. It was caught on the Porter Studio on a cassette the track, uh, and then I and then I and then I went to Waterfront and then I over did the overdubs. But we started on a cassette in this room and this laft that man, I was gone, that that song was the was was the deepest period of that record for me emotionally, which was more than anything in this world. I'm one of I'm glad you said that because I've been trying to figure out it was the drum sound

for that. Let's just buy a four track already or dig one out of your eighteen stories. I think I think it's the Alessies, the little Gray Alessies, a little flat one, the curve, that drum machine with the tape slap. And also, yeah, the reason why I knew that it was real because you you sang so dry on it. It was just like some fifty seven line around the apart. Yeah you're saying no, but even your vocal like you

didn't put you didn't do any inflections on it. And I was just like yo, and I was cheering for you. Listen to this ship. It was because when I heard it, you know one of those songs, you know, one of those songs you can just got rewind over and over. And I had the cassette, so you know, I get the anything. Yeah. Yeah, And then like I wore that tape out and I was just like, all right, Lenny, I believe in this performance. You gotta. I felt if you did a video, no, actually you probably went to

jail and you gotta restrain in order. I was like, you gotta say anything this song. You gotta set up on her lorn recording the video that's called harassment because you know why is that street harassment? That's a real thing. But let me ask this because you you were straight honest, and it's it's great as a fan, like people appreciate that you had the first album that was about falling in love and then you had the other album that was,

you know, about the opposite. And I guess as an artist, when you're sitting there writing this album, you're going through all your emotions. You're like, I gotta get to shut out and get it out. But then you put the album out and you have to do promo and press around it, right, So yeah, like, how do you do that, and at what point? And even now, like, I'm so grateful that you are open and you're still not tired of talking about this chapter because it's important to your

love it. On the tour now, I'm singing songs that I'm doing saying by my Woman and different songs from that album. I mean, but how do you do that? Like, how do you do the promo off of these albums? Too different? Well, then I'm sure it was a different thing, but now they're just these like beautiful memories you know in parts of my life that you know, Um, they're

still there. How did how did you? Were you disappointing that black radio didn't really pick up one in over till its obver because I felt, I don't know what. The TV started playing the ship out on the charts that went number so the pop would have been that straight pop that was number two with a bullet because uh, what's his name? Had that Robin Hood song? That would

not they had that. They had that movie money and I sat id number two with a bullet three weeks and they put that last bit of money on that thing as four number three. Um, so I went number two. I don't know what it did on the R and B charts. I don't even did they even did they even promoted to not to say that Black radio couldn't just picked it up, but did they even sell it promoted? Black radio always used to kind of be like, yeah,

that's nice, you know, like I go do promotion. Did they send you to Jack the Rapper or the rapper? Prince Prince did Jack the Rapper? R and B people? Did Jack company Kevin Hart so much? My kids? No, no b R E, no Gavin, no Jack the Rapper. I'm guessing b r A sounds familiar. That was black radio X wasn't. But it was like I would go. But I did do Soul Train, yeah, the right, because we loved it. But it was always like all right, great, could do an interview joke and then it's like, yeah,

we'll play it twice. That's how that's yours. That's what I'm saying. That it went number ten on R. Okay, that's not bad because we knew, we knew he existed, we knew we loved the music. We just didn't know we couldn't. It was just not what they wanted. I've never I guess besides that, I don't know, I don't, I don't remember. But black radio. You know you're big on Russian jew radio. What's thet st with with with Gonna go My way? Um and things? Totally breaking this?

First of all, how did it happen? Now? How did you finally break the ceiling into one track? First of all, who knew that that track had nothing to do with Hit Records Radio? No dude, it did. But post Team Spirit, adrenaline rock was still a thing. It just felt. It felt like a locomotive train. I didn't see it, Okay, I didn't see it coming. We cut the track. We cut that track in five minutes because of the state, because another session was coming in. I was still on

that tip even on my third album. The next session was coming in. I couldn't even block that out. There's some there's some great feeling Games taught us called the alpha state, where when you don't overthink ship and and don't and you just do it and don't you know, we're like this and the next clients in the lounge and it's like it's getting that thing where we're kind of five minutes over there thing and they get and

we're in there. Da da damn that puts your subconscious in the state of perfection that you're not even aware of. And then I had the track. I went home, wrote the lyric and the melody because it was just a jam. I had no idea of melody. Wrote these words, wrote that sang it. It was like, Okay, record comes out. They just said it's gonna be a single. They're working it and working it and working it, trying to make

it happen. Weeks going by, nothing's happening. I think big part of the success of that song was the visual I met um Well, not well that, yeah, Cindy begin came out of it, but but um marc Romanic, the director. I met him, threw Jeff Earroff, who signed me, and we took a walk on the East River and talked about let's make a video and the space and then and the light and then then that came. Then MTV

didn't want to play it. They're pushing and pushing. Not at first, you gotta like work and get it on the thing, and then the slow thing and then and then you were already already pretty established. But you know it was it didn't happen right away. They worked that record for But when it was about to go away, it was about to be done, and something happened and then just went blam and that was hit. You know, that was it? Yeah, but it was a moment. It

was a moment. It almost didn't happen. Damn, Wait a minute. You want to go to that show you I forgot You produced one of my favorite records, Vanessa Paradis debut. Okay, you're so smart. You always you always get it backchally okaysa.

I was producing Vanessa's album at the same time, and it was Vanessa waiting to come to her session, so it was her session, but I had to still work right but she was ready to then come in it was her time, and it was like she can't hear this well, it was kind of like we were cutting tracks. I was cutting tracks for her that obviously would have been too too hard for her. But when I when we first were cutting it, I didn't know who it

was for. I was doing my stuff and I was doing Vanessa's at the same time, so it was just like, let's just hurry up and just take this one home. Yeah. Yeah, So that record was made at the same time. Hoboken. Also, all of that was in Hoboken. Yeah, the Vanessa Parity Record and are you gonna come out? I did everything up to Circus in there. Circus was part of New York,

part Bahamas. Yeah, and wait we're in Hoboken. And it was a building called the Della Quilla Building was it's fifteenth in Washington and it was this big ugly brown and yellow yellow windows, spray painted sweat shop. Factory people people, and they're making purses and sweaters and ship still now it's a fabulous condominium everything. Yeah, damn. But it was waterfront Yeah. Wait, so the T Building that is it now? The T Building, I don't know what it's at the

end that he didn't wash. It's at the end, that big building. And they used to be like a smoke stack. I don't know if that's gone. Are still there? But yeah, wow, okay you skipped over. You have a change. Okay. So my number one question about it, yes, why did they not clear security of the first world? Because I just chucked like do you feel a certain way? He was like no, you know what, I don't care. We had a thing for a minute. They were like they were like, well,

we're gonna come after you. And I was like, well, you sampled it from this and added and then I don't know it, but is the version of drummer? Right? I forgot the original sample. It's no, no, it's Iom trying to do funky drummer on the drum machine. It was. But once I got the yeah, I recognized what Joanna came from because there's a cowboy in there. It's just yeah,

you're right. So at the time, like, uh, well, I was in the studio doing this thing, and I had this guy with me, um who I was going to play the drums or do something, but they don't have the mics together. So I was like, I just need a beat. That's kind of like this I needed. And this guy gave me the beat. I didn't know what I didn't even know what it was. He's just like, here, use this, and I was like, oh, ship, that's bad.

I mean, that's that's great, right, And then I put the strings and the stuff, and and then I don't know, if you know, when Madonna's talking, I'm in the back singing this melody falsetto that was meant to be the That was the scratch track of the melody of the song. But then afterwards you know Ingrid wrote the words to to to the song, and she started writing this poetry thing to it. So I was like, okay, well that's dope. So we just left my melody in the back as

this sort of distant voice. Do you do you know the story of the master reel or the master reel of Justify My Love? I think this happened after the fact. Okay, so we're working on our album. Whoever the assistant engineer was for for Justified My Love. I guess there's once the final mix was done or whatever, and they're like, because we cut Madonna. It wasn't the Waterfront. She wasn't gonna come out to Jersey, so it was placed in

the city. I don't New York. The studio that I don't even he was the remember which one it was, right, So he was he's there during the time when you're cutting vocals with Madonna, and so all right, something happens and he says he got fired from He said it wasn't you or or you know, but the studio fired him because, uh he accidentally erased or chipped a bad edit or like accidentally a race part of her vocal voke right at the at the end of the process

by accident and he got fired, and but you weren't aware of that. So the story is going completely nowhere. But I have a follow up question. Have you ever heard I'll Be Sure's version of Justify Your Love? Why do you know it was? It was a B side to remember on the second time he did the duet with Diana Ross, no matter, it's the B side of that, and it has Joe Casey Haley singing on it too. It was basically, Wow, I did not know it's called owl Justify your Love waits on YouTube? It on YouTube?

Ship will know that a l oh, that's dope, l apotrophe l as an owl will owl justified? How do you know thet you got? You got no because I'm I'm a big I'll be Short fan. You're really Wait when we're at it, Wait what dudes like when I missed that one? I didn't know. I'm afraid to listen to this. It was a bestie. I didn't expect many people to say. It does play right here on Quest Little Supreme with Lady Kravitz. And then after that, can we play the young Black Teenagers version to oh Am

at the Beach? I'm not saying anything sing oh whoa writers, I'll be short. English is Lenny Kravitz and chub Rock. Little chump Rock is on this. I forgot. Oh my god, Varty swing Joe to see Oh he's us he's an example too, this weekend. That's a that's beautiful. That's Joe, Joe singing just well my love. That sounds like it should be in the in the sex scene. And boomerang whistle, oh there is that was on every record during that time, and flute like, yeah, it's not it sounds like boomerang.

This sounds like strong saying. But but the commercial world, he let old boy do his own feeling. Jerdy let him to do vagina. Yeah, the thing that happens never changed, Boss Bill, my brothers I you weren't seeing no checks from this. It was a B side, so yeah, it was only se for like what two weeks. My god, I'm sorry, we don't like me And that was a

questions bring Jesus Christ? Alright, alright, that was I justified because the thing was I would expect to do that like ten years down the line, second second album, second album, bro Private Times and the whole now Jesus Christ on the B side of that, Diana Danna Rosta. Is there any other Lenny Kravitz treats that we don't know about? Yeah, I got one, the I'm over here, Uh, the the Mick Jaggers song, the Bill Wither's song you did with Mick Jack you produced. I I'm very happy that I

did that, But I had nothing. Rick Rubin produced it. Okay, but and I love Rick and Rick's one of my dearest friends. Did you not produce a Mick Jagger? I produced a song called God Gave Me Everything on nix next solo record, Okay, on Goddess in the Doorway. Okay, yeah you're talking about but use me? Yeah it was all right. Wait make Jacker did use me with Lenny. Yeah it was me being a Bill Withers man. And I you know, I'm happy I did it and it's cool.

But sorry, yeah it sounds really good. But okay, I have I have a general I have a general rule about like working with your idols or whatever, like people that you learn because it could go one way or the other where if they're too famous, you can't tell them nothing. But I had them to do with it, like it wasn't my production, It wasn't my thing. It wasn't it just you know, did you wish you had control that song? I mean, did they check you out of your old Okay, that's what I'm trying to go

with it. Was it too clean? Yeah it was, but it was we're talking about Bill Withers. But then again it was a matter what. It was different, and that's cool. You know it was different. But just in looking back, I know you're not trying to drive anybody under the drive anybody, roll anybody over the bus. I get on a Mick Jagger album, Oh shit, I am Oh, you just snitched on me. I forgot only a couple of years ago. I forgot. I'm looking up he got like

I want to know, But it wasn't. It was like he did a project with which Marley at the moment, it's like the probably probably it's like d Marley Johnstone. They had a band Dave Stewart. Yeah, it was on the thing was Alfie soundtrack, right, they did a whole album and like the thing was he called me directly and I thought it was Jimmy trying to funk with me.

It was no, you know, Mick Jack and I was like, all right, just like everyone that has that type of story where it takes you fifteen minutes to believe it. I hung up. I called Jimmy. I'm like a waiting. Jimmy's like, no, it wasn't me. And finally I realized that it was Mick Jagger calling me, and but I love Nick. I mean, jack Man, you must say no what to a lot though, right because you don't. It's not like you're the you always say yes to a

lot of things like this was Lenny produced. Disney wrote this me did it like I say yes to you to give me to shut up because it's gonna work. I don't I know. That's just trying to push your button over there. Gold film your reactions late on. Hold on, I say yes to you. See what you don't know that have a glandular problem. Start you don't start sweating. I can have a GLANDI I have a glandier. It just went from a pickle. We're trying to push this

timeline here to get him out something else. Because I would talk to her today and yeah, she told me to tell you she loves you. She's probably after they've been on the show. I talked to Creed that that was a moment. That's that's when I was making a live I know, the same time, both those at the same time in the Bahamas. Yeah, she's and she got robbed. She got robbed. They didn't know what to do. She was just earlier. I think she was early. She super early.

She was super early. The label like folded, it was like a whole it was. She still Freddy too, so that was like I was in college. But it's those that know no that record Lane Sleep. They're stole it from me. So you know, you know what I did, steal it from you? You gave me. Yeah, my bad. That's sorry, that's cool, but I got your jobs. So you know we even though we are. But will y'all ever meet again? Absolutely, We've been talking about it, that thing.

I've just been so busy finishing this record. But yes, that would be just a pleasure with five that rate. We skipped an albums. Oh yes, back to the Boss. Yes we did Circus. Why why did everybody like that record? I don't get it. I remember the lead wasn't they had to leave ruined? Was it vibe or I don't know it was. I remember that I wanted to read in an early review on it, and it was either vibe but they gave you the lead review and they

were kind of dismissive about it. They wouldn't have got that. But the thing is, and my fan like the like the fan fans, that's their record. Yeah, yeah, it's But the thing is is that have we known any musician two make a song about a genre that they don't like it anymore and it's ever worked, Like there's a there's a hip hop is dead, there's a rock and roll is dead there And then Prince answered me with

rock and rolls rocket apples and he called me. He's like he said that it was I that was for you. Oh yeah, that was the answer to rock and roll is dead or always wait it's circus, Lenny, like electric circus is too common? Isn't that a circus thing? Black people need to stop making albums named r a circus. I'm just I'm just because I'm still I don't circus

was all the craziness now of all that was going on. Yeah, but fame was crazy, but you were still you were still My mom was dying, like it was just like my world of the circus. It was a complete upside down thing that was happening. Um, I never felt as though you were off of your your off your deam as far as I know, right straight Philly felt used off your deam with as far as your silence are concerned. So I didn't consider the Departure record saying like like

I mean, it was different. It was a left turn after I get on my way, and of course the label was like, we want one more of those. And you know, then I went and made circus and took all these weird photographs and made weird videos and you know, um, it was that moment. So were you nervous about uh, losing the momentum? Not at all? Making Okay, not at all. I didn't care. Why didn't you care? Because I was.

I never thought about any of this. I just did what came out of me, and that that for me is this success, you know, freedom, just this is how I feel. This is the music, This is what we get right now, whether we like it or not, This

is what we get. This is real, you know. And then you've got songs in there like that, you know, I can't get you off my mind and and yeah tunnel Vision and yeah, I remember just reading the review and then at the time I went to the thing was the warehouse music that was in the mall was at the time, and they had it on the listening station, and so I just listened to and I was like, damn, like it don't I didn't get where the flat was coming from. It was just it was just out there.

It was just it was just kind of an out there record, man. But I think in general, and you know, it's kind of been unspoken here, but I also feel that critically you've gotten a lot of double standard flak um oh that. Yeah. And it's like the things they were later calling people genius for they were talgging me for. Yeah, and I'm saying, you've been in the room with me, like when okay, hope they don't kick me off the committee.

But when we go to Rolling Stone to to vote for the rock and room like that room controls like all the critical reviews of you know, of it's their opinions, and I, yeah, I definitely see people being protective of there, you know, their teenage history and feeling some sort of way that you know, I mean, so that's never bothered you, like a reviewers never. I don't I mean, yeah, you you read some bullshit about yourself. It's just like you can tell the reviewers got a thing. I mean, I've

seen those duties. I was like, damn, dude, I like slap his mama, like I've seen that, you know. But whatever whatever he said that like did I sleep at your girl or something like the album should not cause this. I'm enjoying. I'm enjoying the journey and I'm still here. So like I'm I'm just grateful, blessed, like I'm I'm all good with it, and you're like a living legends or I think to the day, even if you left this world today, doesn't you would still be there and

nothing matter. I was just saying, welcome, plening in perspective that at this point it don't matter. You're free, you can do what you want, and you are a legends. So that's the right of a legend there. You know, you're a young living legend, but you are. Thank you, man, dear, thank you mama. So with five, thank you professing low Sorry, I know you're doing this sound for me. It's all good man, I'm happy to be. We're going to get um. Yeah,

but I definitely have questions about the new records. So yeah, yeah, but we're good, okay. Questions five. That was a record I bought that I was working at a record slore that summer and I'm bought it, purchased. I purchased, Yeah, yeah, yeah. I have a history of stealing music before you could go on, before you going now, I stole in the

Real World and Sidewalk Harressment. No, that Sidewalk Correst. But no, I bought that record because that was the first single the um that if you can't say no everywhere, like that ship that was America. Yeah, how did you get Mila Djovic to do that? Joint? Is that her name right? Yeah? Jojevich okay, j So no you didn't. Joch Is like we've been calling her um smart caller okay yeah, smart caller um. But that record was I I took a

different turn sonically. Yeah. I started playing drama, started playing with some metric stuff, started looping some stuff. Um. Actually it was Billy Corgan that turned me onto some gear um from on the same label and we were friendly and he's like, man, you gotta start using this and check this out because that was because that was and that was when the Smashing poem was that was the Door album. Yeah, so that was so he turned me

on to some gear and some stuff. I just started to play around with us and I went to the I started the record of New York. I had a studio on thirty fifth Street between Lex and Third Um. I had like a little carriage house and I built a studio in there, and which ended up being like a big hangout for a while, turned into a nightclub and yeah, you you'd come in there at night and you'd see you two and Bobby Brown and Naomi Campbell and this went and I mean it was it was.

It was the spot for a while, you know. Was that the lyrics on that song? That is that based on a real situation that you were going through? Uh if you can't say no? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, But I've never heard of you like that because that was one of those songs that, like, I mean, it came out. It's nice. So I was like nineteen, so you know, I was listening to it. I'm like, Okay, this is dope. But then just later that song is kind of a

bug out. Yeah, I'm like, God, when you think about what you're really saying, like damn if you can't, if you cheat, just think of me. Oh god, the savagery. But but that was a dope record. And then of course when that came out as the first single, people were like, after all the rocks that like yeah, Then then they were like what's that? But then fly Away which but by the way, was not on the album.

The album was done, mastered, turned in and I'm still in the Bahamas working with Cree And one day the engineer, um, who's this guy Tearing Manning? Great engineer who Terry who ran Compass Point but he cut all he cut all that Al Green and Staples Station Brothers, right, huh didn't he didn't? Terry also dude Isley Brothers as well. No, that was my engineer, Tom Edmonds, who who had a live guy who he did the album but don't Say good Night and all that stuff, say you will, don't

say goodnight? Can we go again? How did you work with that guy? He was my live guy for years and then he cut the funk album that's coming later. He cut a lot of that record. We went to New Orleans. He's still so there was a point where we started messing around and doing some stuff and his engineer brings in this bucket for the collapsa. How I learned that from the brothers. Yeah, they wet their hands and and that's what. Yeah, that's Tom Edmonds. Shout out

to Tom Edmonds. Well also, I mean five, I know that, Um, well, when you were promoting five on television, like, I know that your mom's death was a big part of the development of this record. What thinking of you? Yes, yes, yes, yes, but what prevented you from I mean, were you at the time. I know that you distraught with with her passing like this could have easily went another way where it's like an album to her. It's funny to be joyous like she died during circus, right, um, And I

kind of went through the whole morning thing. I went right back on tour like a week after the funeral, and I was back on the road, and um, by the time I got finished with all that, and he gone through it and then the tour and took some time and went to go make five. I was having such a good time with Cree. Cree brought so much laughter into my life and we we laugh every day, crack up. She's so funny. And I was kind of

I kind of started her record. Then I got into mine, and I go back to hers, but we were all there together. It'd be like, all right, today you're off. I'm gonna do my thing. Tomorrow we're gonna do you. And I was in the Bahamas. Um z Alwey's mom allowed Zoe to come down. I put her in school. She was there for almost a year. I put her in school in Nasaw, and so I was in a good place. I had family down there, and all of these beautiful songs came out. You know, the record was

very uplifting. You had a fresh new sound. Oh but back to fly Away. So Flyaway wasn't on the record. Um Terry had a a park amplifier like a it's like a marshal in the in the room, and I was like, oh, I want to try that. So I plugged in a guitar. And when you play a guitar through a certain amp, certain guitar through a certain amp, it makes you go to certain chords because you know this that oh wow, these cords are really fat right here.

That's where the riff came from, just listening to this amplifier. And then I was like, maybe just I don't know. I just messed around with it, cut a B side or something, and cut the song. Had the track going then I didn't have the words or the melody yet. I was driving Zoe to school every day in this jeep that I had along the ocean, just driving, driving fast, driving to school, playing this track for like three or four days with Zoe and the car, and then the

lyrics and the whole they came to me. I cut it. A friend of mine heard it. It was like, that song is incredible. I said, yeah, but it's not on the album. It's I don't know. This guy begged me, good friend. He's like, I beg you please put this song on the record. I will not be your friend anymore you don't put this song on the record. And he was like, and I'm like, the record is done, called Virgin. We worked. There's another song. I'm sorry we

have to read anyway. The rest is yeah. I always wanted to know why did you feel the need to cut your signature locks. I didn't what happened with fly away video that's whatever. First, No, no, no, no, what happened? This is this is And I was like, no, no, this is the truth. I went up to So's mom's house, spent to Panga to visit her, and we're hanging out. We're smoking a joint and we're chilling, and she's like, you know what, you need to cut your hair. You

need to change your energy. It's time. And I was like, huh. Home girl left the room and came back with a razor blade and she's like, you got She's like, you gotta do it, like she didn't cut them short and and she cut him with a razorbla Like you know how much time that takes? Like you know what love you have to have for a woman for her to convince you to cut your hair. Dude, where however, Lisa fitting the shave living like Lisa's hair still locked. Oh

she's she's she's flourishing, She's flourishing. Was this an easy sell? Dude? I was sitting there and I was hot. I'm like, I'm like starting to buy it because I'm like, she's like, I'm a d Sampson. This mom like the swod because because I remember, but it came from a place of it came from a place to love it did it wasn't shady, but actually got it more women. And then I was like, and then I was like, you on what if? Because this this thing came with me right

the concerts and the hair flying. I was like, if I could get over without it, that means that I you know what I mean. So I was like, so you don't want hair to define you and all that bush. No, he's not his hair, you know, nigga my hair. That because I remember that that that was It was a good call because when the album came out in the cover, that's because like, yo, he got Because the first video I had to my dreads were like they were cut, Yeah, you have to cut. I was like, oh, literally got

you got the number five. But it wasn't cut like that. It was just like kind of bumping and like little afro. But it was like yeah, man, so that's what happened. It was a stony guy I got scared with with with Baby Mama. I saw what happened. I saw what happened was his name is sold submistive people on their head. It's a rap where people their hair is a rep. But the funny part it took so long for her to do it. At some point the high war off and you had to be like one node I was staying.

I was staying at the Beverly Hills Hotel. I got back to the hotel and I looked at me and I was like, oh, the part of you feel, part of you feel like y'all getting back together. No, no, no, no, there was none of that. Your hair, someone has I have it. I have it so today though, that belongs to Zoe. Put your back mocked again. I'm coming coming forward again. It was coming forward? Yeah, did you? I'm good friends with Gershy Gina Gersho. Are you you went

to high school? We went high school together, okay, bound, Sorry, that's your reference Jennifer Tilly and she was, yeah, I forgot about part part one. My reference is there? Yeah, there was? How do you know this? That's not true? Red Buck Cinemas scares the sh out mean like they know ship broke Cocktail? I like, mad h Yeah. How about show Girls? The altimate, the alternate B movie? They say,

such a good movie, Come on, movies, genius. Show Girls is my reference for like when something so bad it's good, Like, yeah, that's that's what I'm saying. I say show Girls, But Gina Crushan and show Girls was such a fucking pimp. And like gangster. I'm sorry, I've seen it a lot. Just yell at movies. Yeah, don't you get that Gena I get because she she wants to start a because she plays she sorry, and he played with Bob Dylan. That's something you could do professionally played juice harp, best

name of the instrument ever. Wait a minute, me, me and she she came out and played juice hard with us at uh at our first uh not loud blues at a in Tennessee. Bam Bluze. That's a Spikey movie. Yeah, what is in Tennessee? Pump unt something? Yeah? Black festival people? Okay, because I got so bad question? Um, all right, let's go random. What's nice? Leny five five? Lenny Leny Yeah, let's go damn the rapid Fire Okay on the new record? Okay, oh wow the song? Low? Am I detecting a Michael

Jackson influencing your vocal performance? Um? Because it ends with the whole whole That was very Michael. Wait what do you say that is Michael? He's singing background on the record. Say you worked with him when we worked together, and I whoa I produced? Well? Yeah, well on his version it was called Another Day. It's the same song. Storm was initially Jackson song. I did it from Michael when he was doing Invincible, right, but they didn't put it

on the record. John was putting the record together with Michael. They said it was too hard, and michaels like, I'm gonna save it for my next record because he loved the track. So it didn't come out, and I thought, I was like, it's never gonna come out. So then I went and cut it as Storm, but made it kind of smooth, right. But it was written the way I did it for Michael. So we had worked on stuff at Marvin's room in l A at John Studio

John McClay studio. That's where we cut that stuff. So we had worked on different tracks and we had different stuff, and so I had ad libs that, um were to this groove in anyway. Um, I put it on. Yeah, that is Michael. You're like fighting hard. I was like, I've never heard Linny channel Michael. No, no, no, that that is Michael. So wait when you got a call to work with Michael Jackson, um, you felt like, Okay, he's worth investigating. He said, write me a song and

produce a song for me John. He went through John John called me. We met in the studio and I wrote I wrote the song like a couple of days before he came in. I was like, I'm might saying me. I'm like, what am I gonna do? So I wrote this song from where I thought his point of view might have been at that time. Um, and I wrote that song and then he came in. He was like, you tracked up Marvin's room too, so you can go to any studio. It's harder. Just pray to God. It's

hard nail myself. It's harder because yes, I figured you want to track when people are going with the Lenny Kravitz, that you want to do it at your spots, that there's some times when you just can't, you know. So did it there? And uh it was it was an amazing a few days really he was. It wasn't overwhelming. I mean he started out, He's like, Okay, I taught

him the song, so I'm teaching in the song. I'm writing the lyrics out for him, putting it on the on the music stands, and he's like, Lenny, I want to do it exactly the way you hear it, So you stop me when I mess up? Okay, So no, he was humble, sweet giving. So we start and within the first couple of notes, he's not phrasing the melody correctly, and I'm like, how do I correct my car? You

know what I mean? Really, I'm gonna stop this brother, like and he's out there and he's you know, you know, and I was like, um, you gotta lay back here, and I said, it goes like this man, we did that all day and he's like, no, I want you

to stop me. And so it was like, even even when being polite, I always I think it's a test of wills because you're not the first person that gave me a story where it's like a mammoth Michael Jackson recording session that even though it's you know, he's blacke and that he's gonna work you to the bone until he feels it's correct, which I never feel that he feels that any He worked about him his card man

and and uh, and he worked hard. And then then when it got time for the ad libs at the end, it was like he's screaming's at the top of his voice and all that you know, he's like he's he's warming up with Seth Riggs, and then he's like, letting, I got thirty minutes, I'm gonna i'mnna have no voice the three minutes, so you get all these ad libs now, and he just gives it to you. I mean, blood comes out of him. I mean, and then he's like and then that's it. You know, I was gonna ask

he gives it to you. I was gonna ask, though, if ladder I'm trying to say ladder day Michael Jackson, but like post a post dangerous Michael Jackson, I always felt, which is wearing me out because he has the best vocal coach on earth with Seth Riggs, but because he's saying with such a fire and anger in his stomach Post when it got really right, yeah, which is like, dude,

you're you're going to destroy your voice. But he was so known as having a beautiful velvet tenor, and he stopped using any but then he would give you butterflies.

But even again, I heard that initially the track Attrack is smooth on the harmonies, but I heard initially that they had to convince him just come naked with your voice, that your old school, you know, and not comes right, And so I was asking, like, did you ever once think like let me write him a song that forces them to use his singing, his singing velvet voice, which he rarely used post I went straight for the like, Okay, let's give him like a dirty Diana, give him the

rock thing, you know. So that's why I went there. Yeah, yeah, I love the Just Players remix of Storm your version Storm Just Remix. Love this? How did that come to be? You guys? Uh? The Black Department, that's it? Blacking this up? I really want to know how did Heavy D producing? Guns? And Rosy Heavy used to come hang out at my house in Miami because he was friends with my assistant.

We were friends from back in the day. And he's like, I got this track, and I mean it was just a phone call, right, It wasn't bad, No, no, no, it's because at the top of it it was like heavy Weight. Yeah, any Kravitz had de production, you bastard one thing. Yeah. I never even though I knew he was doing tracks and stuff, because like I didn't know

he was producing, he was producing hard. And even when I heard the results and like, oh you're really producing, I still didn't want to register that bum was producing. So how did you guys sell it to Jay? No? I had nothing to do it. I got the call it. This is what's going down? Oh, like, come do it like Jay did it. So the first day was already on it. Okay, okay, they just wanted me to sing the hook and play guitar. Yeah. So, yeah, there was another record and I cannot remember the name of it.

A couple of years back. You did uh a remix competition. It was absolutely right, the jazz and OV remix of that ship man Like, I don't even know if you even know. He probably doesn't know that. I'd have to hear. There were just so many yeah, like ship like I might need to put that back in my set, that whole back again. Wait, what albums it it was? It wasn't on an album. It wasn't it, Just like I wasn't Where was that in ants? Someone I don't know,

some studio cutting that thing. Yeah, it's what I don't remember the name of these. It was gonna breathe Okay, absolute cravits, Absolute cravit. Yeah, that's why I remember it, as I knew that would the name of the song. Um, but yeah, it was a competition or not a competition, but yeah, it was like because like a bunch of guys had a bunch of guys. Yeah yeah, my buddy

Eric Rose and he did a remix. Uh sooner your acting career we didn't get Yeah, wait, I gotta damn can I hijack this place because I know we thank you? Um okay, so one of the one of the things that I love best about your career. Wait a minute, one last music questions. You've been promising this funk album forever and it's coming. I am I I am crying wolf right. Is it still called negrophilia? Because I love that time love that. But what I'm doing reason raised

by ration came out. Now that record is pretty much it's like nine point nine said done. Um, I'm gonna be making a film to it. That's all I say. I wanted to say too much, And that's what's gonna be coming next. So I'll just give you that's waiting for. But yes, it's gonna be I've been waiting for this record with film or or like film like okay, movie, and that's gonna be the soundtrack. Oh yeah, just please don't let it be the super Fly remake. No, I

promise super remix promise. I'm getting scared. You mean the one that's coming out, Yeah, the one that's coming out, don't Jackson speaking of super Fly Remix super Fly Return, that was weird. That's on with Iced Tea, right, Yeah, yeah. Man. I got a phone call from the label I kept, and they were like, we need you to fix this track.

So they sent me the tracks and they made me take all the instruments off, and I had to play all the instruments over again to make it sound like Curtis Mayfield ish, you know that's And I was like, well, I'll do anything for Curtis. You know, he gave me his bass player. But we're on my first tour. Lebron Scott, Lucky, Scott's brother. Lucky's the one who's on the actual super Fly record. His little brother Lebron, who unfortunately just passed

a few months ago. Um was my bass player. And I used to go to Curtis shows and I love the bass player, and then basically I became friends. I was like, man, we'd love you to join the band and Curtis. Curtis gave the blessing. He's like, you, what's his name was your sex one playing for a second Day for three albums. Yeah, we went past her. But can I just ask the first time you ever heard Cindy Blackman because we said, but Cindy black Men. I was friends with a guy named Anton Roney, who's Wallace

Roni's brother. Wallace Rooney's trumpet the Mile they call him, like the Miles, kind of protege, like his brother's sax player. I knew did some sessions for me, and he knew Cindy for Cindy was at the time dating Wallace and and I was at the time living at Rick Ruben's house in l a And um with those dogs, yeah, Shampa, and one's name is Shampa after the other one's name. They were this black dreadlock dogs. Zoe used to man, Zoe was so scared of those dogs because he could

face and scared. She used to run screaming from the ones. But mama dog runs and then the little babies run behind like I love those dogs. But anyway, Um, I was having a drum audition. All these drummers were coming from all over the place, including Andy Kravitz, Yes he did. And River Phoenix brought me a drummer. River had a friend that was like his best friend, that was his drummer. Was the last time I saw River. He brought this drummer from Florida. And then there was also another drummer

that auditioned and he died for his name. I ended up giving him to Robert Plant and Jimmy Page, not giving but recommending. I want to know why you didn't choose Andy Kravitz. I almost did, because he was coming with some bottom madness. But Cindy Blackman boy, she came with the fire. She was playing all that Elvin Jones, I mean, just killing and she was fine. Side yes, side note. I used to enter at rough House Studio

for in Philly where that's that's right. Andy was so the day he got that call, it was like he knew it was like mama, and he had my name, yes, and he you know, his attitude was sort of like, you know, like and then like the sitcom flasterback the next Monday, okay, and that was the last time a black woman to the job for my wife. I was rehearsing at the Lyric Theater on forty second Street, which is the theater and taxi driver where he takes Civil Shepherd to go see the part that was that theater.

Why would you use that spot? It was for sale at the time for like two dollars. That should have bought it. This is before the clean up, before the second Street. We were rehearsing there because it didn't call ship. Well, that's where Anny Kravit showed up and he man he was playing where. Uh. I haven't talked to him since I had a record too. No, no, I interned at Roughhouse and then uh, my last day I've been turning. I asked Chris Swartz and Joe Niccolo Joe Butcher brow

dollars to pay for my pass the popcorn video. They paid for it. I entered and they paid for the player from Philly named Mike Tyler. Yes, I do, pops cool of Pike. Mike Tyler was one of the guys in that Black Duran Durant. Of course, of course Tony, couple other guys. It's like the Great is the super Friends. I still seem he ended up in Amsterdam. Yeah he had it. Yeah, he's got a Dutch lady and kids and yeah, you know Mike Tyler, he's playing with l Mama,

said Knock you out the blonde hug. Yeah, it's so weird, like clear jabe no, no real talk. Okay, So when I have done this, that's for real. That's why did you date? Because the best. Here's the thing though, when I inducted LLL at the Kennedy Center Honors, right and total audience, straight up. The reason why I use secret, it's because ll you said that in one of all those people it was my Chappelle leafed his asso. But it's true because secret keeps you dry. And it's like, up, hey,

secret made for that question, that little sexy octopus. I can't anyway you're really taking it? Tell me so, okay, looking for a week years ago Hungry Games, how did that come about? I loved you in that role. I got a phone call. That's it. It's that simple. I didn't audition. I got a phone call. Well, Gary, you got a great phone. Just wait, how do people get your number? The director saw pressure. I just like I had like a day to like I was on tour at least, like just coming for a day. Just this

little part. You could do it in a day. And I came in and did that. And then the director of Hunger Games saw that and just like I'm doing this movie it's called Hunger Games, just these books and

didn't I didn't know anything about it. And then I had to go get the book and read it and then and I was like, okay, I'll I'll do it, like having no idea it was going to be like a phenomenon, but after doing pressures and all that emotion and stuff that it took that role like Hunger Games must have been like okay, no, but it was cool. It was actually that we rehearsed a little bit the scenes.

It was it was I mean, you know, I'm I'm sitting there doing scenes with Jennifer Lawrence and all these folks. I mean, it was. It was cool. It was different with your new the movie that you're almost doing Negrophilia. Are you acting in that? I shall be yes, okay, directing as well or just quite possibly. Okay, did you read it? No? I mean I came up with like the story, but I'm having a writer, a proper writer. Really we're trying to get much out of Yeah, that's it. No,

I just really did you as an actor? Man? I like, thank you more of it? Thank you? And you said how easy it was for Hunger Games to get you. But how did Lee Daniels get you for that role for that movie at the time? Phone, he said, But that role wasn't simple enough. Just to telephone came for me, A little messaging in the bottle, Yes, Atlantic Star, I was. I was thinking, Mr Telephone Man by New Edition. That's Mary Parker Jr. You're you're, You're, you're error lank Stars,

secret lovers. But this this is the and M for Barbara Weathers before their black period. This is like your heart, Yeah, if your heart isn't in it the back part man. Okay, So anyway, well you asked him, Oh, Lee Daniels. So I was having dinner one night at Mr. Chio and here's some old school I'm sitting I'm sitting at Baskias table up on the top there where they already thinking. And Lee Daniels is sitting across the room with Julian Schnabel,

the artist and director. Painter and director. Julian brings him over because I've known Julian Well, I met Julian million years ago. I actually was supposed to play basket Yard in that movie, but I turned it down, right. Jeffrey Wright was genius, but here's here's what happened. I had just gotten off the Let Love Rule. Now we're going another story. I had just gotten out of the off of the Let Love Rule tour, and Julian was like, I'm making this movie about John Michelle. I want you

to play John Michelle. I'm gonna come over and I'm gonna start teaching you how to paint. And da da da da da dath. I was living in the building with this guy Shangy, who is a character in the movie who um was one of John Michelle's friends, and he was just like, you know, you can't do this the scripted. But I loved Julian and it was just like because I knew him, and I just and and I had just come off from my tour and I

was trying to become Lenny Kravis. I was trying to become myself, and I felt like I didn't want to play somebody else. Not only that John Michelle's girlfriend who was best friends with my old friend and the one who found him dead, right, she had some things. It just was the whole thing I was too close to. All that was a side note and shameless plug I talked about well, I didn't know that. Hell yeah, because I didn't know that you were the person they talked about.

Her name was Kelly, a girl who is Johnny Chelsea. But okay, So, but I talked about Julian because David and Julian sort of had words about each other. David I talked about Uh Bowie because he played he played right, he played Andrew Worl. But yeah, I chameless plug. I talked about Julian uh and uh Creative Quest my fourth book, Creative Quests. So the Lee came over, Lee Daniels. Julian Charon brings Lee over. Lee wants to meet you. Lee. It's like I've been trying to get you. I've been

trying to find you. I wanted you to be in Monster's Ball, and I didn't getting a phone call. I can't. Nobody called me back. Your people. I don't know what you're talking about. So he he wanted to I really he was, but I knew nothing about him reaching out to me. I had seen those films, yes, but um, and then there was a movie that he wanted me to star in that was this really hardcore movie that he never ended up making because it was soup for me to say, Lee thought it was extra hardcore, tells

you how hardcore was Hane crazy? Hardcore crazy and life and anyway, So he's like, until we make this movie, why don't you just come and play this part? And then again in The Butler. We never ended up making this film that I was supposed to start. But he got me to do what he wanted me to do, what he wanted me to do. But um, but it was great. Man. I got to work in these films and you know, Lenny, Yeah, I'm a guy. The greatest

night of my life. Okay, do you remember the dinner remember after you saw The Butler for the first time, and the dinner that we went to at the Japanese restaurant at end? Yes, who was that lawyer who was telling? Was that your friend? Or was that Cuba Gooding? Who was that Cuba's friend? That is the most mac Like, I can't this is what I learned this night, so the entire Yes, he's the great. I need that guy almost.

I gotta find Cuba. You wouldn't even know he was this big like defense lawyer, Like you think I love I don't know his name? Do you think I love telling stories? This guy was born to tell his story like he he deserves to be at any dinner party whatsoever.

The entire Butler cast just watches. That was your first time I'm seeing complete Okay, so they all saw the complete Butler whatever, and Zoey and I were at and and she tells them like, you know, Dad's gonna join us, And they were all sitting that a little booth in the back we got was three but then it was like three thousand people, so everyone came. So what I learned this night was one the way that Forest Whittaker. It takes Forest Whittaker two months to prepare for role

to get into character. So if there's an accent or you know whatever, it is physically exactly, I think the time before he was just I mean Scotland, right. So the thing was he couldn't join us at the dinner because he literally his process of getting rid of a character is crying. So he had a hood he had he had a hoodie on and some dark glasses and he's not the Butler anymore. He was done. So once he saw the movie and the only way for him to become Fest Whittaker again, he walked from where's the

restaurant like in in downtown Rebecca. So he walked from he walked from Tribeca all the way to Harlem, and he said every films, it's not even like cheesecas. He's like, no, but this is amazing to me because he's such as he's such a method actor that the only way for him to come back down to being Forest Whittaker again is he has to physically boo in in sob the character out. So he walks. So that's why he couldn't join it for dinner. But Cuba came came and he

was down. He was always down, Dude, I need Cuba and his lawyer on the show to talk shit. Yeah, whatever her thoughts of the story. I mean at the time he was dealing with Lindsay Lohan and appearances and the thing like, I only heard his side of the conversation, and I realized that, uh, because she was in court every week, that's the only way for her to really generate any sort of like hide money monetary action was

the weird designers to court. So it would be waaying, what no, well, Gucci, no, no, no, no no, We'll call me back when you can work and then you tell this like we were there for four hours. I thought it was your boy, Cuba's boy. Yeah. Yeah, this guy doesn't look like a lawyer, looks like one of the beastie boys when he's not in got a calf and you know, New York kid. But yeah, Lenny, I

gotta ask you something before we stop. Uh you. Yeah, I'm realizing now that your entire story has definitely affected my career just based on whatever you're associated with back then, rippling and like whatever, but the one move you did that definitely affected my career and I'm so happy about I got one thing up on yeah, mm, which is your design business? And first of all, where did this

come from? Like you wanting to like you're the most buzzed about, spoken about and talked about furniture designer, art deco person. I've ever like the way they talk about you at at at Sandow and Culture and Commerce mm hmm is crazy to me. But what I want to know is you and I were in the audience of the same time when this happened. So we're in an audience during a legendary Kanye Brant Oh that which one right, right? Right? Okay? So basically no, he didn't know I was there. I

know this. I had just landed in New York, decided to go, went through the back door Master Square guard. He had no idea I was there. I know this. And the thing was when I walked by you like once once, it was like twenty five minutes, I was like, I gotta go. So I walked and Chris Rock was there too. What do you do? He wasn't. Who's that with about to say? Stringer Bill, y'all just so cool? Drop another name? I don't know, it don't matter it

just anybody. I mean, Kanye isn't down, so everybody. But I didn't see you. I didn't see you right now. You were sitting he was right, And so I walked past you and then and looked at you. You gotta made me a drop of name song and we and we strugged at each other's wife. Yeah, and we strugged at each other. And but what you don't know is that is what I said it in the motion. All right, here's the deal. Like Culture and Climate, I became the

original Nick in Paris that night. Yes, what I want to know is number one, how long have you been working with culture and commerce and sand for years? But this, this whole thing started back in those lofts in New York City, my first album. I didn't have money to buy furniture. I didn't have money to decorate, but I loved vibe and ambiance and you know, creating that whole thing. So in Soho at that time, you know, when I was living in Soho, and in I mean Soho was

Broom Street was kind of nasty. We had rats, we got a bunch of my friends got got held up a knife point in my building. I mean, it was it was that kind of it was all artists spotting around and um, so I would anyway. I would find furniture on the street and remake it and and make stuff and it do I want? Do you? Shelec sounds like a personal question. So, um, what what I'm saying is the last time you asked that? Do you not select?

I mean, but just as far as because when some people listen to me, when people design, they're not hands on designers. They don't select, they don't whittle, they don't they outsourced. He's like, like, I know what it is. I'm just saying you don't get a comment. Yeah, I'm just saying that you actually do the designing you you know, he yeah, you can. You hands not a license thing. You just take my name and then just throw it

on exactly moment. That's what I'm trying to get with, right, And so at his well, I know that Latifa was your first major Well that was the first, well I've never done a set before. That was the first, the original QLs. But I mean we've been doing hotels and condos and products, and you know for the long you know, from a you know, a role es date toned to a like a camera to this that working with late Star did they come did they come to you? They

came to you first? Correct? So that's the thing. So basically this twenty five minute rent was and which ran is this which was basically about how he wanted to manage design. He was basically just saying, like, you know the whole like, let me design hotels. I wanted to that one. The thing was he had been trying to break into a particular firm, this firm mhm uh to

use him. And by the way, is he not killing it Like with with the shoes, he wants more, he wants more, He wants more from Jolly Murphy white Wall I forgot about that wall, a white wall. Yeah, and and they they didn't take his phone calls, mainly because it's a week come to you, you don't come to us. But how did I get I don't remember how it started? Remember what the thing is? You remember how it started?

You don't because you don't know your buzz yo. Like for for all of us crabs in the pot, we know that you broke to the other side for you to design for culture and commerce. That's some secret illuminati. Damn you. I didn't so okay, I rarely, I mean I might spoil a roots project or whatever. But half a time when like some it like oh I didn't know you wrote a book. I just really like to make sure some ship is done before I say ahead of time. Oh you know next year, IM gonna have

a book coming out DA. But I mean I will say that once you once you were with that firm, I I took a meeting with him, and yeah, I got I got it started. It started telling about it started with Philip start because he came and saw my work in Paris and he's like, you need to be doing this for real. And I was like, what do you mean? He's like, you're really good. I like what you're doing. I see it. I feel like this. I'm gonna hook you up with my people. That's what happened.

And then Philip start ushered me in. So, I mean, did he come to the apartment be like you designed playing in my house and he looked at everything. You look at the furniture I made, look at the design, look at all the stuff, the wallpaper we've made. He looked at everything, and he was just like, really like, you need to be doing this. And I was like, yeah, you know, I do it, but he was he looked at me like, no, you need to do this. You should be doing this for real. So I'm going to

hook up with my people. That was it sex thing I got, you know, I mean Releach start you know, I kind of minded the way that you didn't super pimpot like the secret It's known in the design world what a monster you are, Like, I mean, have you been up for awards or any of that sort of thing. But we've got great projects. Do you have an official titles? For the longest, it was like, no one knew what you're going to call yours? Gravis Design for name of

the company yeah. Yeah, we have an office on Crosby Street. And you said there is an everyday person like lying situation that if they wanted to have a do you have some thank you one day? And we did? We we did, we did. I did a line for CB two that's not part of their permanent yeah thing, which is that's accessible. You're gonna get where is pa? Thank you? Okay, I'm just getting to a someone busted. Are just that ikea? But I'm ready to what's up? Anything? You want to

make it for you? Sorry? Let me please. She put the jacket on like it don't matter no more. He said, the jacket glance. You don't between that last minute. But if I take it off, it's like those glans are not a pro. I do want to because I want to say I just spoke and I thought it was Paul Shaffer. I thought I thought he pushed just like him. Bro, that's a compliment. I think I can't. I thought he pushed the button. Let me. I just want to say, I'll take you up on your offer because I just

moved into a new place, so don't make jokes. I moved to Hollywood, Hollywood, Hollywood. Are you living in l a. Yeah, it's a long story, because that's a problem at all. Take ship. I mean, no, no, no, I just thought we were all. I thought this was a New York crew here sound especially I'm from day and then kind of raising Phillyward High School across the street at Bannocker Clark, Atlanta. Yeah, so this is about to be the most fun show

there is. I was about to say, because you actually let us do a double episode, that's all I want to shout out to Carl and Donovan is like, what the I appreciate this man. I was waiting for the food to come out, and you know we would. We tried that the first episode with my routol and we all fell sleep. You know, culinary, you know I used to feed, but then like we should have a seed here. It was behold like stole thing back there, Like you know, I just have a private chef. Guys in from over

the world. I love food, you know, that's the whole thing too. So yeah, you know, boss, I need us eat it on the air because people will be tuning in the microphone. We can do it maybe during it. Back in the day, I used to eat his chicken. Yeah that's right. The picture of you with them. Oh yeah, that's how we did take a picture. Yeah, that was early Instagram days. You're there the ground floor. Are you like vegan now or I go through well? Last year I was raw, raw vegan. Yeah, I was gonna say,

how can you still looking with a teenager? Yeah, I'm gonna need to know. I'm going nutritionus number, trainer's number. Do you know what gaming weight is? Or having a stomach or because I gotta launch you back, launch you back off season, I can you know, have a little fun. But you know, like do you work out like you just seem like I do. I work stuck in a teenage work out and I eat clean. You know if you could, would you just retire and get fat? There's

a side of me. See, there's a big inside of me. You don't know. You don't understand. You don't know. I understand. Her name is Mabel. I can get like I would shock you if I was just saying like like forget about it, like like let's just go. Yeah, I mean I can do it, So I keep I keep her at bay. Speaking of running, Speaking of running and jogging and working out, what happened that day in Miami with the cops. Oh bank robber man. That's the song I

ended up on that record. Yeah. I was jogging in Miami and outside of my neighborhood just a little bit, and a bank had been robbed at that time. And I was wearing like army fatigues and a T shirt. And apparently the guy who robbed a bank was wearing army fatigues and a T shirt. And I got guns to my fara, four or five six cars, guns pointed, pulled out me and my boy jogging. It was like, froz that that wasn't the first I've had guns in

my head before. Did you say, dude, I'm Lenny Kravitz. No, I didn't say No, he's and and my the guy who's running with me is like he works with me and the security too, and he's like kind of child like. He's like, um, look at him, did you see who? Not that it matters. I could robbed a bank, right, but they were and they were doing the thing where so they had like five six cars guns drawn. We're sitting there against the car they're waiting to drive the

woman who's like eighty from the bank. If it's me and all I'm seeing is like the Hurricane movie and yeah, this one. And I was just like, oh God, and she drove by. I saw her drive by slow, She's looking out the window. And they left me and then they find out who I was, and then it was a whole I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry that. Yeah, but this is definitely gonna be your fifty million dollar wall seat. I just didn't want to get shot. You're not thinking about none of that stuff?

Flow rider. Wow, I'm sorry. Yeah, you did the thing for the Chris Rock Show, right, that's right? Can I get a copy of what's alright? So? What questions are we going to to text each other that we forgot to ask? We did for ness of parodies, we did designs, we did the acting. Oh I got one, I got one. Um in the eighties, what were the alternative black people

listening too? I've always wanted that, like, aside from like Fishbone and Bad Brains, like what other black musicians that was kind of that was just kind of a Fishbone, Bad Babs of course, Bob Marley, but everybody was listening by mine? What were you listening to? The Trouble Funky travel Funk. I used to go to them shows? Man? What used to go to the Palladium? Race Jones? Did you name my five albums yet? No? He didn't. He's

got one. I had that written down first. Well, you asked me during the time I was making that level lu, But what are your five albums of life? That's hard man? Okay, alright, you're gonna have the name everyone gets because we're going to close on those. Did you ask, Oh, yeah, I think I got Almos anything anything, anything? Okay, let love Rule Time. What were your five albums? Inter Visions? Okay, Talking Book, Access, Bold is Love Yah. Um, that's three? Um? Wow?

What else was I listening to at that time? Oh? Bob Marley, um uh, Catch a Fire, Um, Pink Floyd, Dark Side at the Moon. Okay, Now it's a sub question. Who what did you get him to after you were Lenny Kravitz as in like late in the game, mm hmmm. Like I didn't grow up on the Beatles. My dad had it, but I was like whatever. But then after a billion Paul's boutique samples that I was like, hey, wait a minute, and then I got into the Beetles. But who's the one artist that we'd be shocked that

you got into after the age of That's a good question. Um, well, the one thing that I mentioned did John Lennon solo material knew nothing about it? Knew nothing about it? Yeah, all right, last ding. Your entire uh Bahamas Barhamas are permuter Bahamas. Okay, entire state in the Bahamas is on fire. Okay, what five things are you saving? Mm hmmm not all human beings are already out? My gold top les Paul, that's been on every record since probably gonna go my way.

It's my number one studio guitar uh to this day. Yep, I'm still there. Um what else is going? Let's see, I don't have a lot there. Um, it's mostly gear, so everything in my house. I'm well, I got a Paul Evans console that's in my house. Can you carry that? Wait? Another bucket list question that's got I want that the Beatles time out. The Beatles board on the beach. Was that some real ship or just some meet up ship? No, it was there for years. I heard a story that

you found an old Beatles board. No, No, I I owned the Beatles. I owned the Abbey Road equipment that the four track, the two track, and the tape machine. Your mom is like, we gotta get down. Question I swear the last question. Yeah, I I own the beat Since since are you gonna go? My way? Still use that board? I just sold it. Why it's a Beatles board, you know why? It was just I wasn't using it

so much anymore. I have other Beetle inputs, and I was like, you know what, it's sitting here, and somebody offered me a lot of bread for it. There you go, that makes sense. You know. Sometimes you got just move things around, all right? So your goal is Paul, Yeah, Paul Evan's console out of my house. Um. I have a collection of gold records in my studio that are from famous artists. These are pop culture artifacts. So I've got Hendricks. I've got Hendricks only made four albums. I

have two of his Goal records. I have from Access, Boldness, Love and are You Experience. I have Slides records. I have Beatle records. I have Icontina records. I have Chain of Fools. Uh, you know a wreath. I've got the Who.

I have a whole collection like these are the ones that are awarded to those to those people, but they don't have many more and they got So that's four things and then uh, the fifth thing would be uh, I have the working lyrics to Sergeant Pepper's when Paul wrote it, Wow, Mike, motherfucking drop right and behalf boss Bill Sugar Steve Fantigolo and it's like, let thank you everything life, yes right here, yes, ah, this is gonna

They're gonna hear all this part. I mean, you know, Jimmy jam gave us an extra four hours seventh and he still asked me for like, you know, I'll tell you what. We'll come back in a few months when I get back in New York and we'll do three and four. I gotta hear a tour stories. Thank you finished the rest of the album, and we'll hear what's going on. Yeah, we're still waiting for the blackout love that title. It's Philia time right now. Anyway. This is

Quest Love new album, Question Love Supreme. Wait wait when is the apration? When is it out? Yes? September, September, September, be honest, September. Man, all right, thank you very much, appreciate it. Good night, ladies and gentlemen. This Question Love, Quest Love Supreme was the production of I heart Radio. This classic episode was produced by the team at Pandora