QLS Classic: Joi

Of course, Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic episode was produced by the team at Pandora.

What Up, QLs fam, It's like yam and This QLs classic takes us back to a time when the whole crew went to Los Angeles did a few interviews.

Oh, but this one right here is special. I'm talking about Joy.

Yes, I'm taking you back to February fourteenth, twenty eighteen, where we sat down with Joy, singer, songwriter, producer. She talks about her debut album, how a Change, the direction of Madonna's Bedtime Stories, working with Fishbone and her spart in the Dungeon Family Treat, and so much more.

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Yeah, exactly. Yeah, Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode of Quest Love Supreme. Uh, Quest Love and the House We got Teams Supreme. Hello, people going, man, I was about say have a New York I was like, no, that's totally wrong. I don't know, you know it's gonna air, but no, I'm good Man happy in La.

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And yeah, we we have to mention that we are broadcasting line from the illustrious uh Westlake Audio Recording Studios. Uh house. That the house that Michael Jaxon thriller money built this house. Yeah, we're actually if you if you've seen the Michael Jackson UH Bad twenty five documentary, we are literally in the spot where like him and.

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The piano, the girl's mind pianos behind us. I believe that Bruce would Dean built this. This uh kind of looks like a pyramid esque looking.

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You call what we're just you're engineers. It's a stage. Yeah, okay, well, I mean you gotta come up more colorful. It's a nice stage. That's it's sort of like a booth, but sort of. It's very unusual. Anyway, watch the Bad twenty five Incredible stage one of the best stages of h but it's kind of cool to be here because even well bad was recorded here. Young other things in the uh the Atlantis, Moore said, helm jagged little pill. Wow, what's done here? I'm I'm sure millions of a million

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Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to the show. Jorge Gilly.

Good to be here with you.

I'm really glad you're here. You know, we we've been for a long time, crossing paths and touring with each other. But this, this is the conversation I've been dying to have with you forever, because you know, I have so many questions about your the path and the trail that you blazed and and the after effects of it.

Yeah, let's talk about it.

Let's talk about I feel there's a.

Police right, that's one of my favorite So where where?

For our listeners that don't know where? Where are you? Where were you born? Where are you from?

I was born in Nashville, Tennessee.

Hey, Nashville, that is where it? Because I thought you were born. And I'm the king of assuming that our guests are born in certain places. But you're not born in Atlanta.

Where did you think I was born?

I thought you were born in Atlanta?

Did you That's not a hard That's not bad though, a lot of people think because I spent so much time there.

I guess Tennessee kitty, every Tennessee.

You know. I was always Tennessee slim, all right? So you you wrapped yourself, wrapped myself, but I wrapped you know a time down also were born and raised that tense.

You're born there? Okay? So what was what was your childhood music environment?

Like well, I uh, I had a pretty intensive love affair with music early on. My mama had album she had a friend and worked at a as a DJ or something. My mom had a bunch of hustles when I was growing up to uh that made me feel like we were rich, even though we weren't. Hindsight looking back, we were absolutely not rich. But my mom worked hard, and I UH felt I had you know, things at

Actually, when you were young, did you know that your dad was, did you know who he was?

Like?

Did you know y'all kind of had it good.

Well, we had it good as you know, that's relative relative. I recognize. I knew that he was talented. I knew that people uh respected him a lot. I knew that he had done some great things.

So he grew up in a football environment.

I grew up in a football a heavy football environment, so.

Like weekends were like holidays.

And but my family is very woman heavy also. But the men in my family, a lot of them played football, worked in football, so it was just, you know, the women embraced it as well. But I didn't have to be all up in it if I didn't want to be. But it was deeply entrenched in the culture of me growing up, particularly HBCU football, because my grandfather was coach at Tennessee State, Okay, and my dad was you know,

That meant something.

Yeah, it meant something. Did after them, I went there for a hot second, for a high second, I went to Tennessee State a whole semester.

Wow, you have a playing.

And all of that is such a blur like I barely even remember, but I don't want to neglect quest asking me about the music, though, I don't want to neglect that part. It was a lot of P funk and a lot of LaBelle, and it was a M radio, which back then kind of mixed blue eyes so and uh and you know, uh root soul as well, and so that was constantly you know, playing it was it was. It was a constant diet of that. And my parents were young, and so my mom would take me to

When just because of your your musical openness and all the risks that you've taken and stuff, I was like, well, certainly in your your formative years you had to have adapted to this early. I mean there's some people that like either you know, for beat makers, you know, they'll start collecting records and then discover like their uncle's records or something like that. But you know, I always felt as though you might have gotten miss education super early.

I'm the oldest?

Okay, then that's something weird because normally the youngest of the brood gets the trickle down, and I'm.

The oldest on some like, I was mostly an only child.

It's weird no cousins to lots of big cousins.

But I just I was always a little bit you're just adventures, yeah, and a little bit different from my other the things that interest me, which is different than everybody else. Was kind of thinking about I don't know, future and getting married and things like that, and I was just thinking, how to, you know, just go deeper into the funk and expand my mind.

Querious, I knew it. Okay, that's what she's five days from us. Yeah, but she was born like nineteen ninety. She was one where I came out.

Yeah, okay, but.

Yeah, we'll just know, we'll go with it.

But yeah, I just was a little bit different from my cousins. But still not a not a not a not a secluded or introverted or weird old kid per se. But absolutely Yeah, but that developed a little more I think later. I was a little more risk taking. Like I remember smoking some cigarettes and ship at the house

How did you express it? Like work? Did you have bands in high school or that sort of thing.

I didn't do that, but I did sing in high school. So I was, you know, doing some challenge shows and won some challenge shows and was a dancer for like thirteen years to when your family know you could sing. When I was little little, probably like maybe four or five, my grandmother used to belong to a lady social group called the Beautiful Lily.

That is so black and something.

I just lovely ladies. They bring you know, it's popla. They bring a dish. They played Pikino and Vinga and uh and I remember singing you Light of My Life for them.

Something. That song was number one for like one hundred weeks. Wait speaking which you Okay, if you ever get the chance, Jimmy cast A Bunch has Yeah, if you want to see if you can see Fante's eyebrows like just the gun, Jimmy cases that Jimmy cast Bunch has a one of the most jaw dropping versions of you light Up My Life. That's hilarious, like in a bad way, like it's it's, it's it's in a very good and terrible Brandy Watson

Dimension I sang you light Up My Life in third grade to to win this girl's heart, like I stood up and find everybody and sang that and and stole her away from the souther.

It works, It really worked. Yet sound wait second or third grade something? Oh my god, forgive me okay, see you. That's the piano from I don't believe it. Just make no, that's true. That's the.

Line.

I don't believe it is from now And that's the never mind. That's the piano there is that damn quick quest love Supreme. Yeah you're a nerd? Yeah hell now get ready. Maybe I didn't warn you.

About this before, no warning, but I figured it would have to be if it was y'all two together, because I'm familiar with your nerd and I'm familiar with quest nerds, and I figured this, Yeah, I think it was gonna be.

We used the exelon you know, I sang in my life in third grade nerd know there's nerd geek and I love it. So you So you didn't have any bands.

Or anything, so not bands.

No.

I worked with after winning the Talent show and because I was in tenth grade and I sung everything must change, oh of course, and then I also now here's a.

Fun Apollo classic everything.

With my The pianists that accompanied me was Gary Jenkins, who was a little g from Silk Yeah.

Wow, and.

He went to Tennessee set. He's an amazing piano player, like ridiculous, and he used to do all the funerals and wits and saying people's churches and you know, all of that stuff around Nashville because he's from Nashville too, and uh, and so he was my accompanyment and he and I do edit. Uh. We started off with Nobody Loves Me Like you Do, and then we segued into everything wow and I want to tell the show. But after that I started working with some producers in Nashville

You know, I know that Nashville is in music city but also primarily known as a kind of a country country music. Yeah, but I know that songwriters down there is Is there any sort of at least when I say urban, I mean like to the to the sort of cosmic funk level that you're on and that you brought to the Atlantic community. Was there any of that sort of culture in Tennessee at all?

Not really, But I also feel like Nashville was a place that was sort of ripe for getting whatever you wanted to get. There were things lots and lots of lots and lots of cultural diversity that came artistic cultural diversity that came through Nashville back then. So my mom, because I was, you know, a dancer and I enjoyed theater and I sang and stuff, my mom always had me very plugged into all the stuff that was happening

What was it that got you into dance? How did you I just was.

Always dancing and shit when I was little, and my mom put me in in la that's what mama's doing.

Yeah, okay.

And she also felt like I was a little clumsy when I was little, and when I was very small, she thought I was clumsy, and so she wanted me to be graceful, and so she put me in That's what she said.

She didn't do the combo, the ballet, jazz tap, I did that.

That came later, but the root of it, it started with ballet. The jazz and all that came once she really saw that I had taken to the dance, okay. And so probably in about maybe third grade, I started taking like modern and jazz and tap and all that. But from like little girl, like three years old to like sixteen, I was like ballet with some jazz and tap and stuff, you know, mixed in.

So when did you leave Tennessee?

I left Nashville, I guess technically I left when I went to Memphis State in eighty nine, but still kind of coming back and forth because I also went to Tennessee State, like I said, for a semester. I guess I was officially left Nashville probably in let's say ninety three. Officially ninety two, ninety three.

Oh man, but wait that was the year year, now, Pendlum, I was ninety ninety four.

Pen Bob came out. I think it dropped in ninety four, but in ninety three. I think that's how that worked. I was working on it in ninety three, Okay, So I moved to Atlanta like top of ninety three, and like by that summer I was working on Penmambot.

Wow, So why, well, I want to go. Why what drew you to Atlanta? Why would you?

Now?

In ninety two, Dallas Austin came to Nashville, Okay, and he was working on at that time, Holland Placed Monsters. Yeah. Yeah, And so TLC was just like bubbling, like just going kaboom. ABC was doing their thing and stuff. And so I ended up meeting him at a studio there and we hit it off instantly. I told him I was a songwriter.

Your first place in Atlanta, I'm just curious.

I lived in a place called Peachtree Hills. Well, that was the first place by myself. That was after I got a record deal. But me and the girlfriend that I moved down there with, and Martin Luther. I don't know if I lived there, of course. And that's the brother Trey rab And, who's my boyfriend at the time, and then two other sisters, seven of us, and we lived in this apartment on Beuvah Highway. Yeah, Highway club.

You know what, wait, Highway strip club.

They call it.

It's a street that's called the truck stop, the street from.

The stop though in l right the hell yeah.

Yeah.

Flame is definitely still open go club, of course, not it's a regular club, just regular at this point.

It's Atlanta, honey, just step off the plane.

But we all lived together, yeah, in Temple Hallmark.

So wow, that's great.

Seven.

Yeah. That was at the top of ninety three. And so then I remember breaking up with the guy that I was loving so at that time and feeling so heartbroken, and I was just like, this is the worst thing could ever happen. I must be about to get a record deal, because if this is the worst, the best thing that could happen would be there. I would get

So was there was there any direct planning, because I mean there's really I mean, it's kind of up in the air on who who planted the flag first. But I mean, you definitely weren't under the current status quo of what music from Atlanta was supposed to be. I mean, you weren't in a tlc umbrella, nor were you under Brownstone or so. Yeah, And I felt like and I could tell when someone's like trying hard to be contrary, like you know, just you know, where everything is well

Like there wasn't any planning none. We just did it and we did it in about two months.

Yeah. Yeah, so at the time Dallas called you the work, you hadn't signed the deal to.

I signed the deal with through him, Okay, that came with him, Yeah, because I was signed to him as an artist under under actually under Limp, which was.

Rowdy was through I mean he had Rowdy.

Was on Arista though, and then Limp was on am I. It was me and Shades of Lingo, maybe one other somebody, maybe one other person, but one of the act. But yeah, we were the only ones that were at am I. But there was no plan like, there was no The only prerequisite that I had was I wanted live instruments. That was the only thing I came And I was like every you know, you're well known for you know, your beat, these R and B beats and stuff, But

He was like, Hell, yeah, well, I was gonna ask just the question I always had, how do y'all sell that record?

Like?

What was it like taking it to am I? Because even now, I mean twenty plus years.

After this release, it sounds like nothing else, like it still is in the league of his own, So like, how do you sell that in ninety four?

In ninety four impossibly? You know, you could go at the meetings that I had at the labels, everybody was like, Wow, shit is fucking great. How do we sell it?

Gary Gary, Gary Harris.

Gary Harris was I don't even remember. Damn, I don't even remember what department Gary worked then back then. Gary, But Gary wasn't Dave. Gossip was my an.

I got got gossip demos? Yeah, because they've s mister mister Dave right, that's no, no, no, no, no, no, No, that's something that somebody different.

Dave Gossip was my Dave. And at that time Dave had maybe maybe he done and from maybe like Zanella Ice or somebody at the time, and like a few other people, and he had and on some big projects Black Sheep, Black Sheep, he did.

He signed Gossip signed the Roots to Mercury.

I never knew.

Oh wow, when I didn't know that, Yeah, and the contract had they misspelled all our names on the contract so made it nol and void in that seventy two hour period. That's I guess that they were making a new contract for us. Geffen came in the last minute, like and so we went to Geffen instead, And Dave Gossip never talked to me.

Well, Dave was good to me while I was there, but Dave was so I just remember. What I remember about Dave most is that the fact that Pendulum Vibe did not get his proper shot and its fair shape for how much he put into it, it really broke his motherfucking heart. It broke his heart to the point where he did step away music.

Yeah wow, i'n't heard from after that.

He was just like, I can't even like fuck all this shit you know, now, Gods has just been chilling living, you know, a cool civilian life as I call it, civilian life. You stepp away from this shit. And I love him to this day because he wrote really hard for him. We were just kind of all we didn't realize that there would be a machine to contend with. I know, I didn't. I just thought that I'm doing some shit. I recognized that ain't nobody doing what I'm doing?

They wouldn't do that, Ah, they wouldn't give you to a support.

They wouldn't get me to support. They were like, no, we're going to really try to push it right, And here we are in nineteen ninety four, they're trying to push Sunshine in the fucking run up against Brownstone and come on, And I remember very clearly them saying to me too, if this was just a little bit more like what's the four one one?

That's not about to ask you who were the contemporaries at the time marriage, So what's the fore woman was like super huge and everybody fucking love included let.

That out, me, let me ask who. Because they always do this. It's usually like we're coming on a Monday and they'll be like, all right, sit on the couch, guys, I'm gonna play some remixes, just some ideas and see if you guys like it, and then it'll be like twelve. There's so many distortion and static remixes, like twelve of them that never made it to the light of day. So like, who were they trying to match you with? Like, oh, let Eric Satin remix your thing.

Or well, because Dallas was there, they weren't really doing a lot of that. They were just kind of because he had the magic touch at that time, so they weren't really doing that. They were he was really trying to push it. From a standpoint of y'all gotta trust me on this like we got it, like I'm telling you this is you know, and they just weren't. They

Was that's crazy, like the job machine, but I got it.

That's what Yeah, this is what I want to do, you know. And that's kind of been also that's been a lovely bright spot over the course of my career is that people do like to come and work with me when they want to make a departure from kind of what they're used to doing. Or they'll bring me in and be like I want you on what I do and I'm like, fine, you know I can do that too. But a lot of people will come and be like, I want to do some different shit, don't want to work with you.

And I like that.

I like to be I like to be that haven for people. I'm cool with that. But anyways, Doubts and them were in the band. It was about probably about eight of us at the time, and that just won't on work at three backgrounds things, they won't gonna pay all that shit. Yeah, at the time of us, because it just it had to be the fullness of the sound at that time, I hadn't tapped into my I hadn't tapped into being able to feel comfortable enough with something more stripped down. I figured that out by the

What was ahead? Oh h, what was the transition? So after penzum Vi Drop and then you started working on Me but Clean, there's a stop in between again we got to ask about freedom. We didn't got to talk about the impact that pendulum vipad on a certain to get going to get the match, but I'm wanted to get freedom first and then get the match. Okay, So could you talk about the the Freedom project.

Sure, Freedom came about from apparently uh uh the people from from Panther the film at the time. Uh, I guess maybe Polydor it was.

It was probably back with.

Polly Ground heard Freedom on the Whole Music when they were calling up to the studio to talk to Dallas. And when they heard it on the on the Whole music, this is what I was told she could be at. Sounds really great. It's a story. They heard it on the Whole Music and decided that they want that's what they wanted to use for the soundtrack. And then they had this idea that they would, you know, bring in every black female artist that was working in R and

But it's never been another moment like that since with a group of black female singers, I don't female.

Do they have a title for it? Like like Black Men United? Was that?

You won't know, right?

What was the female version of it?

You know what?

It was?

Various various artists.

You'd be looking for Africa?

Should that say various?

And then so I remember you tell me so the sweet Honey in the Rock thing you got? Oh I didn't, I didn't even know. I thought it was your song.

I didn't know.

It was oh another heartbreak. So yeah, that was that. Blessed my little heart sister, just baby, just out there trying to sing something she ain't knowing nothing about, no logistics going on, and she just get right. So my album So Pendulum Vibe opened up with I'm Gonna Stand. I saw Sweet Honey. My mom took me to see Sweet Honey in the Rock at Fish Chapel when I

Though?

I was just because I was a writer, I'm named in the suit.

So basically they took the interloew that was before freedom Right and.

So so for the for the optic, for the video and for the other Because who ended up being on the beginning of that Vanessa Williams in Vogue maybe you know, it was like all these profiles you know at the time like super duper, but I ended up guesso, And man it hurt my fucking feelings and it was just so unfair. It's just like, how does that happen? How do I have to take the fucking hit for this ship?

Like I had to do with that?

I didn't, I didn't, you know, did you get a chance to talk to.

Her, Miss Bernie. I did not, And she's a fantastic, awesome daughter to uh Toshi who's badass musician and uh huh Reagan that's doctor that's doctor Reagan's and I don't know, and I have a lot of mutual mutual sister friends, but even she I've never met in person. But I remember kind of trying to do a read to doctor Rigan back in the day and she was like, Oh.

That's a family. Maybe he could bring y'all together.

For twenty eighteen. Can you not throw me under the bus or my own show, please? She is the one that's the cousin. There's a cousin of mine in the group. I don't even know. I haven't met her either. Don't put that gun away, please, But.

I just always figured that it would. You know, she got to know by now that the child didn't hand nothing to do with that ship. I know she knows, and I just, you know, I kind of charged it to the game. I was like, I know, I'll be able to meet doctor Riggan one day and it'll be all good.

Wow, I'm sorry that happened. Yea up, since this is gonna be a lot of those stories. So let's just go for it. Get the clean next, all right?

Oh yeah, I was just gonna how did Madonna find out about the Pendulum Vibe?

Probably because.

She was working with my guess this guy.

I'm sorry, oh Siri that it could be.

That guy is always her hearge of the street.

It could be. And I'll say this too, I think any people of that particular ILK at that time knew who I was because the first person that reached out to me, that was fucking with me was Lenny Grab It makes sense, which is how Han Dallas ended up. Ah okay, But but Lenny reached out like, you know, who is this? What is the sunshine in the rain?

Kind of label meets you're up?

Virgin virgin big old umbrella back then is kind of Yeah, it wasn't too hard, not too much of a stretch, but you know, it's just a little old meat and

Oh damn, I want to know.

Damn No, I'm just saying now it makes sense because even with I'm Not Sorry Human Nature, I was like, yo, that's I feel.

Like she definitely, you know, heard the album and definitely loved it, and they definitely had to go back into a little restructuring.

But she ended up helping you out. Though it wasn't like beef an.

Now that motherfucker that made a phone called Steven Mozil and I've got the Calvin Klein campaign. I'm not she was cold. I never had any issues. She was actually fair, very cool, Like you know the times that she.

Actually mentioned one day, like doing a show together, because the thing is interesting because it's like, yes, that's great, you're modeling, not singing.

We're also a Maverick associate. I just remember that myself, So.

Okay, cool, We're not.

Trying to throw salt on the game.

I just know that was real. That was Madonna. I see your game. I picked it just.

They often retweet our shows out appreciate it.

Singing out there, so if you love them. But no, she didn't reach out on any tip like that. I don't know that anybody ever reached out, you.

Know what, not that we could afford to do anything with you at the time, but definitely Gary was saying that, uh, you were someone that we should work with. I mean just at the time, I'll say, before we realized what had to happen. And also you two found your own family tree with the Dungeon family, like when you're alone, I realized that you need a group of people. You basically need five to seven people that do what you

I did more so with them, I think than than Yeah, like did I definitely did that with them. And I would collaborate with DF you know, and I would go on the road with them, not as joy though not as an untry. I would go you know, as music director or go as singing backs or go as you know,

So I gotta ask in the most diplomatic way possible. Yes, because we have a lot of mutual people in common. Yes we do, but you but you and I also have a lot of experiences in common. And I'll say that even with whatever my weird journey is in music, I always still felt like the bride's maid and never

And then.

Yeah, you You're like all right, cool, cool, next year, just keep working, but how I would like to know. And again I'm not I've never on this used the show as a gotcha journalism or that sort of thing. But you are literally one of the people of my contemporaries that I could possibly think has had the same

So here's the thing. One thing I've been pretty blessed with is the ability, like I like when we in the beginning of this interview, when I told you from very little i've known, my shit ain't like everybody else's shit. So the journey is not like everybody else's so if and I mean, and I really really realized that early on. So I and another thing that I don't do, and which is probably why I've been able to keep a lout of my zen and my sanity and check is that I don't do a lot of I'm not a

Because when we started this conversation, you said something to me that was very ill for somebody that was your age. You said that when old boy broke up with you, it was one of the saddest parts of your life. But you knew that you were about to get a record deal.

It was already clear on what balance what checks a lot of people.

It takes some books, some spiritual learning, some things, you know, to really realize that moment.

No no, no book has taught me my Nothing has taught me better than my experience and my living and my making it through. For what keeps you saying and balanced, Because what keeps me saying in balance is that I'm still hearing. I know I got shit to do. That's what keeps me saying ballence, that's I believe you know what it is, quess here it is in a nutshell genuinely. I believe my best work is in front of me, genuinely.

It's not because they're projecting the projecting and it's not what it is.

I'm with it. If I did not believe that my best work and my my finest, finest self was not in front of me. If I didn't believe that, then I wouldn't be fucking doing it. And it's literally that simple. It don't mean the shit don't hurt or don't you know, it doesn't mean that I'm not affected by those things. It just means that I'm rooted in something that anchors me outside of all the external noise.

How fast did it take you to realize that?

For me?

Like, I'll be honest with you last year, I'm really truly not lying to you. I'm not lying to you, and I'm not I'm not even saying to the point where it's like, oh, I had to watch all my contemporaries fall or break breakup or that sort of thing. But you know, even though like I still don't know where this place is where, it's like, Okay, I get to write books and teach class and do a radio show.

But you know, I know four years is a rap career, Like I mean, that's it's is like high school, like literally you got four years to get your money and then after that it's kind of like.

You know, I think I came to the conclusion that if Tarika and I really got what we wish for, you know along the way, you know whatever, like the Bentley or whatever, right, we would have been assholes and dead.

I would have been dead.

Yeah, we would have been assholes.

Like inside with way way too free, way too well. I would do because I'm a creature of desire, I do what the funk I want to do, so and because I'm that way, I would have just ain't what the rigie he says that I couldn't have Yeah, I couldn't have had it like that it had.

Like one hundred million units. But you know he was saying like he was saying like the question is like, you know, can you survive your success? That's the thing, Like you can whatever because whatever it is you're into, if it's girls, if it's dope, if it's whatever, you're gonna get all of that that's dope, all the dope, all the holes, all the cars, whatever it is into.

So with success, the question becomes can you survive it? And if you get it too early? You know, that's why allow of people.

Don't nothin I I agree, I would have. I definitely did. The road had to be temper I just I really look at it because now where I am in my life now, you know, shit, some people be looking at me like a damn shaman at this point, you know

It's a different audio.

I need something.

I need something for the everyday man, because that which you that's some Yeah, it's major.

It's like metal, human and ship. You're talking. Yeah, it's just and that's and those are things that I'm you know, those are journeys I have to to to get suited up for with being able to put things into books and do things like that. Because my mom, I'm so like, just come see me. Yeah, come see me and sit on my like you know what I'm saying, like a book, a seminar.

Okay, I was thinking about everybody else, but I'll come over your house everybody else.

I'm just like we're sending to your house.

About the Tears was about a month.

Yeah, because we're about to finish album for this week. You got the off you're about to.

Go, will take it camp quite you know, I'm you know, cos bring my medicine with me to bring will have my own medicine. You may bring your medicine, share medicine.

I supposed to share prescriptions that I just want to do some drugs. I want to be joy. Yes, Okay, So the tenure for the Turies sweet badass song the fish moone period? Did I pronounced that right?

The tenure is that what you're saying, said Jim Cheery, Sorry to Tree like, no, not not Mary Poppins. That you think the mythic man, the flow man was quote Mary Poppins, Jim Jim three, Mary Poppins.

You never seen Mary?

You were never but I knew that.

But you're really gonna love.

It, planning on watching in the next Nigga, who watched all the Friends?

You better watched Mary Popps.

I had nothing to do. I was in Malloy alone.

You could have watched Mary Poppins to watch Friends, and the randomness it would have been over sooner, the randomness of it. You're gonna check it out one time late night. You totally are, like, I watched.

I will watch Mary Poppins. Thank you anyway, pronounce this fishbone al.

As.

Y'all just looked at me like you don't know what this is?

No, No, I was just I thought you were saying Jimmy cheery, because Jimmy Cheery sauce is like the sau steak.

About. I was like, so we we actually not many people well not many people know. I think one third of our third album, Philadelph Half Life, we recorded at dark Yeah, and I was gonna say, how did how did you guys? Pull?

Uh? Uh?

I'm about to say Norwood Angelo Angelo away from that goddamn Thurman miss Sherman. Well, he practiced that ship like seven hours a day, he did, and that.

It was newly discovered for him at the time. And it's still a part like once it came and never left. Now that's still a part of the Fishbone show. But he's, you know, masterful with that now.

Back in ninety seven, he wouldn't answer questions.

Like he.

Loved it.

He loved it so deep and hard.

So just being in that chaotic environment, what was that like?

Wonderful?

Oh okay, you embraced that.

I embraced it.

I'm not good at.

Chaos my kind of freedom. And see I am. I don't do well with order.

Broke up after three weeks. I'm disciplined follow the rules. You with me.

So much that I'm not following the rules. I just recognized that the rules. You know what I'm I'm not going to yield so easily to someone else's control. And I'm not going to be rambunctious or fucked up about it, but I will if I want to get found, I'm gonna have to make some ulse. I can't be here. It's like that.

Come a second, talk to me.

But I'm also super respectful and super nurturing of other people's ways and how other people are. So I have a lot My mama is. You know, she got a little animal thing, a little bit with her. You know, my auntie, you got a little aiming where they real neat, real orderly. And I appreciate that deeply. It's just not me. So I can do it for a time, I just

From from their southern California.

Then yes, and and I remember seeing them on soul training. I remember them performing Freddy's Dead and every day Sunshine training. It was fucking killer. And so I met Angelo there and he was super funny and insane and awesome and wonderful, and he was like, man, we just lost our deal with who they was at Sony or c Sony at the time, because the last time and they didn't think maybe give a monkey a brain, which is a great thing. And he was like, so Fisherman doesn't have a deal.

And I said, you were the bridge to Dallas.

Yes. Wow, So I said, y'all gonna have a fucking record deal. Y'all gonna do that ship here in Atlanta. He was like, I was like, we're going to we want to study it. So I took Angeloa to meet Dallas, and of course Dallas was like, fucking fishbone dude, like you're going you being cool because he's a quiet, kind of reserved cat back then, still kind of his but he was real kind of quiet a shot back then, but he was freaking out on the inside and uh.

This, you know, back down, describe what working with Dallas is like, because i mean, again, you know, what was his first joint, mister dj would.

Yeah, so I mean he was a child, you know, he was in high school age.

Yeah. But to have that range of being a new Jack proprietory TLC and just going to the new soul like sort of swimming to that and then to go all over the place, how was he able to because he's churning out the hits for everybody at this point, how is he able to devote time to you to them to TLC to Madonna to like just keep all of this.

It was a lot.

I can't remember it being a lot for him.

Was it a lot for you?

Though?

I mean in terms of like, hello, are you picking up?

No, it wasn't that way for me only because like that's not like the same age, same exact age, and how things were structured with us back then. It was a little more family dynamicish, so it was a little more like that's my part, and if his mama's cooking on Sunday, I'm going over to the house, like which he would have everybody come over with his mama's house on Sunday. But like they would do these regular occurrences.

What happened?

So em I fault bout two weeks before Amimba was supposed to come out.

Em I folded, and the label prior to that, they were with it. They were like, we're gonna put it out. We're gonna put it out, okay.

Cool, And then the label folded.

So then it was like, did they have the video out for Ghetto Superstar and.

The video for Ghetto Superstar had just dropped. Oh no, it hadn't come out yet. Because here's what ended up happening. Once em I folded, Dallas hurried up and got another situation together with this other cat. I can't even remember. Maybe V not V two. I don't want to get that wrong.

Was it?

No, I know you're talking about because he put out was that the young Sad and Blue Wow put that.

Free World? Yeah?

Free World?

Was I had that single in college?

Oh wow, when I'm so tired on there? Does it happen?

I don't think that's on there, but it's the one with the pink cover. Yeah, yeah, maybe it.

Doesn't because I'm so tired. Was a lot of people that have that because that wasn't on like the big, the more widely distributed sam when people have the one when I'm so tired.

It was like the college sampler.

Free World. So he ended up cooking up a little deal real quick, put that together, got some money behind ship, and then we shot the video for Ghetto Superstar, and then Ghetto Superstar was really take off. It was doing well. It had been like kind of pulled into that whole MTV regular play list when they would do little R and B Ship back then and whatever. And then Free World folded. Yeah, Jesus, and then I was just like, there's a roote on my life. There's a fucking curse

Okay, one thing, Yeah, where did you have your daughter?

And that's what I was leading up to. I had just had keep Sire that keeps I was born in ninety six. Okay, so the first iteration of amba cleansing syndrome began before Keeping was born. And second iteration because I went back and added you.

Turn me on. Wait a minute, you just said that she's always going to be you to me.

Twenty one, Yeah, grown marbling, she's going to be two forever. I know.

I remember working at Clark Atlanta Radio and you're walking in with a baby.

That is I feel. I mean, I was going in the nineties, so it was weird.

You're only.

A couple of years old.

Edit. Oh but yeah, keeps twenty one should be twenty two in June.

But so yeah.

Then I went back in and I added you turned me on La Bell cover time the Smile, went back in and did something with Colin Wolf, and then I added Ghettle Superstar. Gettle Superstar came letter of something I added to me but cleansing for them to be just on. We don't have that one radio one, so wh're making it added that one and there's one I'm missing. I'm sorry I forget, but yeah, so it was too It was before keep Beat, before and after keeping Uh thank

That, another Ghetto Super started coming out.

I was I'm trying to get it out of my head because every time I hear the title, the other one comes in my head, and I'm trying to get it out.

What I tell you, I don't like this motherfucking ask to this day.

I'm sorry, oh problem. I'm hugging you right now. Okay, I'm hugging I remember thinking like, is this how y'all gonna do it?

It's just gonna be the black Like it's just gonna it's gonna be like this.

Hide it.

Were just gone. And I remember, and it was always these situations, whether it was just enough, what you're doing is legal for it to be okay, and you can't soon nobody here. It's only the moral like you just doubt what you're gonna do. You only have that, but you don't have like a legal leg to stand on and ship, so you just gotta be like shrug. Wait, but we talked about keeping.

We didn't talk about her debut you before she was even born, and how that I felt like that was the whole history making moment on screen Indiangelo's video.

Yes, well that was that was she was in She was in there, okay, because I was about to say I thought that was face in China, but China was a little thing. But I was pregnant.

Yeah.

With the bikini sheer moment, it was a moment.

Were you did you have questions like was the bikini? Did you say I'm going to do it, but I must be in my bikini?

No, I came. I just came dressed to the video. That was just her regular It was a summer day. No, it was you're gonna be they want you video.

And I was, and I'm gonna shut ship down.

And I'm on bikini with this ship dressing him and this and.

What video was and I bet you nobody can plain.

And that was and that was the day I met Erica.

Really wow because she was in the video in the.

Video the first drop, that was her first little Wow. That's crazy, first seeing you know, first seeing her on the screen. And that was my first time meeting her, and my first time meeting Faith that day too. And Faith was pregnant with little little c J at the time.

That's crazy because then the dim in between what was the video? It was it Erica's video where you were in the car.

I just have a visual of I haven't been in any easy no, you know what, who are you thinking?

No, you're thinking of Lucy Lucy bro I wasn't think couldn't be because you're in don mess with my man, right, I.

Am not in the mess with because I'm in without you and you those because you know my I came in at the telling very just to finish up awar season and the tour.

That was it. What was transition. I feel like you're just then fix it.

I'm fix it. Yeah, it's like a fix It's like some fixer ship. It really is fix it with no drama like deliver and low key you don't end up in flow. Seriously, Yeah, we.

Have heard about that wisdom. Where's her jingle? I'm sorry? Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. That was your first brilliant moment of comedy on the show.

Only took almost two years. That was pretty phone call at the eleventh hour, you know that was I would have you had to say no, I've had to say to a to a lot of things.

Who did you say no, I can't do the project right now? Or I'm good?

You know what?

Like your weirdest offer, my weirdest offer, girls, that would have been hilarious.

That's my weirdest offer. Child, I don't even know. I can't even.

So much.

Damn shit my brain, I don't know. I don't know. You could ask me this probably in two hours, and I'd be like child, it was that one. But right, I can't think of what my weirdest one would be.

But I have to say.

The stuff that the universe will shoot at me, the universe that it'll be tough, fucked up, kind of hard kind of lessons and stuff. But it's not it ain't nothing that I can't you know, stand by, And it ain't nothing that I can't be like well, you know, I'm always proud of the work. So anything that I've done, I'm still proud of the work, you know, my involvement in.

And were you shot that like oh okay or is it like whatever? Like I mean, are you I don't mean in a jaded centema, I mean, but is it just like yeah.

Okay, it's a job. It was a job like I looked at it like a job that I can do for now, Like that's what it looked like, like this is a good temporary gig and I'm gonna do it.

We'd playing them back because I also forgot that we toured uh uh during the goodie my period. Yeah. And also so it's like.

I was pregnant then too, where you have to sort of not or you kind of have to.

Is it weird laying in the cut and being a team member.

I've been doing it for so long now, like you have to remember after me, but cleansing syndrome that really started me to being to scale back. I wasn't so in pursuit of the spotlight and I just wanted to work, you know what I'm saying. So once I just got to that point, I was just like, I just want

Me they like that. Yeah. I think people of like what fame being a successful musician.

Musician is like you.

Can be a success and nobody know.

Yeah, Like, and that's why I'm you know, I don't give a fuck about that. Other part of fame is not even controllable enough for me to want it, you know, like it doesn't offer freedom. I'm too. I I I live and die by my freedom, and fame doesn't offer a tremendous amount of freedom. It has perks, but it doesn't it's enslaving.

Yeah, it's the exact opposite. Yeah, freedom, it is.

And so I don't. I ain't never been tillated by that particular part. I've only felt the I know that when you do good art, the fame tends to come with it. So if I had to endure the fame to produce the good art, then I would do it. But that part of it so so me kind of stepping back and being like, well, I just do work with other people. That was a that wasn't a hard decision to make. That was like, A I want to work.

And yeah, if you were famous, I think me and you couldn't have been sitting outside the Dennis or whatever chilling.

That moment.

It would have been something totally different exactly. And see, I I I have to be able to sit outside of Dennis with my folks sometimes, you know what I'm saying, like I have to be able to do that in this life? You miss who you miss Denny's. No, No, not at all. It just happened.

No, I was just saying in those moments because he's so it's opposite in that way, like what you're talking about, like.

That outside of my illustrious apartment about twelve Ace is up.

You got that fancy Denny's, the only, the only Denny's in Manhattan. So I'm very familiar.

It was a metaphor for life.

I know. But then I love radio on Perade sometimes anyway, So yeah, maybe like twice a week I'm at that Denny's connected. Yeah.

And the other thing too, I have to say, is that famous my kind of fame or how I'm famous? You know my way I'm famous. It's it's different because people I don't. I don't deal with a lot of foolishness and ridiculousness to other people, Like people fuck with me because.

They fucked with me, not because other people fuck with you.

People to fuck with me, robbing you exactly, you know, And so I don't have like a fickle anybody that was my you know that came along as a supporter of what I do from Pendulum. By they still here. You know, I ain't lost. No, ain't nobody like I don't fuck with Joyan no moo she wet or she don't do whatever. I didn't like that other album and shit, But no, everybody still supports me, stays down, goes though with me, and believes in my ability to continue to produce good work.

Yeah. I remember.

I mean when we did the record together for those albums in twenty fifteen, I was just still getting in my head.

I was telling my well, now wife, you know what I'm saying. I was like, Joy is on the way to the house, Like you understand, Joy about to be in my house. She's like, what what you mean?

I'm like, Yo, you understand I met her when I was fucking fourteen and now in my house, Like so just to see that come full circle, like to meet you when we were at Yeah, you were doing an in store. I think I like skipped school to come see you promote Pendulum Vibe.

It was her and Jay Row Damn it was coming to Weird come. It was both.

It was both and uh and gangster. Yeah yeah, and yeah they came to the store and I was there and we saw we were there. We were there to see Jay Row and we didn't even know that she was coming.

It was just you know, Jay was like I would go see j Row. So then she showed up tall with like the orange hair.

It was like, who is that?

And so they gave us the Sunshine and the Rain tape. It was just the single that was the It was like the yellow like orange.

It was yellow.

Yeah, it was the yellow tape. Were just like, all right, what is this? Like all right, well I check it.

Out and we took it home and it had the same It had the song on one side of it and the instrument on the other and we used to freestyle issue.

Yeah, Yo, that was it. I was like, we used to yeah that instrumental man.

That's what the guys from you said when I met them. We were sitting in the dungeon freestyling this y. When I came into the studio, they were like.

That's the Shining Girl went ship wow.

Yeah yeah.

So yeah, that was to go from there to actually be able to sit and co write and produce a record with Joy and that was a great experience.

I thank you. She enjoy sat on like in my crib, Like we was just in my crib and bang. That so dope.

Since we're talking about experiences and recording, I just because in my mind you were part of the Equimini like recording era, right, were you a part.

Of the No you came in Aliens.

No, you came in at Aliens. I was like, yeah, because I feel like at some point we would hear you in the background.

Yeah, I am on the album before, I guess I'm saying before that. I guess that is what I was saying. You asked me specifically about a cuemina.

Is that what you have?

I'm asking about that just that time period in Atlanta and that feeling. Yeah, I was there, Yeah, and its like from an outsider, it just looked like another world of heaven, I guess based on the players in that whole situation. And I was just curious from your perspective, again, that's that's perception.

But what was it really like? Like during that time in Atlanta? Amongst from there was a renaissance happening. That's what I'm saying. You know, at that time we.

Lived for the romantic perception of it. It was delicious, like was it like magical time and I went on deep.

I mean, at times it could be there was some magical moment.

Okay, you have to tell the story.

The reason why you said you have to tell the story and do the impression of Rico singing you may die please.

You don't remember telling you this, but dude, oh god, she was.

She was very, very elevated. But it was the story of how Rico had an idea for you may die.

Organized Away can have amazing ideas about melodies, but ric Away cannot see at all, like not at all, and so he was trying to.

Yeah, it was so perfect.

He was trying to, you know, convey how he wanted the melody to go. And I feel like he was this guy because you know, you can't be sure that's how you say. And that was actually Peaches that particular part. But as we're you know, Peace's not kind of coming up with how we you know go and floated it and went.

And so y'all should do a life you can be sure a lot to get Hi, you may learn to.

You God, you may die or some ship like that, and he did, but just completely out of tune. But you know what, he kind of means because you can and you know what the music is doing, and so you like actual week won't he kind of wants it like that. So then we end up, you know, pulling, get a couple of more lyrics out, and then Peaches puts a thing on it and I put the you know the backs and can you tell the babies the significance.

I mean, I was in college when I used to see you girls performing and I'm just amazing. But tell people the significance of Peaches to the movement the music.

Well. Wild Peach is a funk rock band from Dallas, Texas, comprised of Myrna Screechy, Peach Brown, and David wild Brown. Peaches passed in two thousand and seven. Yeah, it's been overtemed almost eleven uh Peaches in Atlanta And it was interesting because I met Peaches around the same time that I met Fishbone.

Through the.

Rock lockdown scene, because it was a people don't know that Atlanta had a cool ass black rock scene happening in the early nineties. There were lots of different bands, Naked Truth and Wild Peach and w Liinsteine and follow for Now and uh Moby's Trip and Love Joy and it was a lot of bands. And because what I did live, even though I was classified as R and B, what I did live translated as something more like funk rock.

She is.

She was just this incredible performer, incredible writer, incredible vocalist. And it happened to be that we bought out really good shitting each other and and we worked really well together. So we started just lacing you know, people's backs land in particular with the guys and the DF because I ended up introducing them to introducing Dave and and and Peaches to Toda.

Really yeah, wow, I don't know, yeah, m hm.

I am the bridge, but yeah, you know, And so that's how they ended up linking up. And from the initial you know, like it started off with Peacha singing backgrounds was with me and with a couple other sisters that were kind of interchange out.

Uh.

Later on Kesa Jackson will come in and she would end up being a staple there as well. Later, but it was Peach not in the beginning, and that blend and that was vocal just all that ship was killed but Peaches was you know, on the ground level from the building of things, and I bought her with me, and once she was you know, got in there, and then they were able to check out, you know, the band for the themselves and stuff. Then everybody just you know,

What to do. Damn show didn't anything locally.

They didn't, but they would do shows and they have these incredible ass songs that people still and I think Wild is gonna do a full release of a I think he's working on something pretty special, I think for her and for them, because the the what they brought to the table freed all of us up. Because they were also a little bit older than us, so they had just mold you know, the most seasoning on the

You mentioned something earlier, and I know that a really big influence on your life. Uh as far as your your your music was Betty Davis, could you talk about her influence on you? And have you ever gotten to meet her and have it one on one? And you never got to meet her? No, she's still Yeah, they're there. I mean there's still talks of her life, her bio in the movie whatever. But but she's very yeah, extremely reclusive.

I don't give a shit about that about the meeting of heroes and things like that.

So you would never like to have to sit down with her, and just I would.

And that's what I'm saying. I don't care. I don't have any like, oh my god, that's my hero and then you meet them in the point now, because I know people with life is fucking crazy. It takes people down through that any goddamn thing could happen. Like for what I've created about you in my mind, that doesn't necessarily mean that that's how you're gonna be in. That's fine. I ain't gonna hold it against you. I ain't got shit to do with how bad ass that shit was

Quick quick backdrop for our listeners that don't know Betty Davis uh ex wife of Miles Davis. Pretty much. I guess you could say it was basically yeah, and and sort of what you've been describing as you building the Atlanta scene.

I mean, she she was a connector.

She was a connector. Yeah, she was extremely important. And the funk direction that slide took with theirs a ride going on. Actually there's a tattoo on her ass that literally says that this ass invented fusion. So yeah, she was. She was very key to Miles's bitches brew development and on the corner and also with Herbie doing his funk stuff with the head Hunters and Chameleons.

So how many wives did Miles have? I'm just I'm trying to place her for She's not one that you probably would have seen because people really only talk. It's mostly Cicily Tyson that people talk about that he was married to, and then maybe the one other who was Yeah, yeah, but people don't really talk about because.

It was so quick, but she had she had a singing career. Kind of weird speaking of the sly thing Slide would be so notoriously late to these studio sessions that yeah, that basically the Family Stone be chilling like this during like the ride going on seventy one period that she just come around the studio and sli be going for days and missing. And that's basically how the Family Stone became her because Greg Erica produced the first album, right, yeah,

Yeah, yeah, but but you but I didn't know that particular piece. So it's because Slo would be so late and shit out to and the baby coming out, and she just ended up getting tight with everybody and they just stopped playing for her too.

He'd be going for three four weeks, Mayde be sitting, so they was like, all right, let's work on her own shit. So that's how that initial album came to be. But yeah, like, why did you gravitate towards Did you feel the need to like maybe take the time that she had?

And I didn't feel that until I found out about her, and I found out about her later in my life. I was already grown once I found out about her. I found out about her when I was working on Amba cleansing syndrome.

Oh man, that makes sense.

And Fishbone introduced me to her up but specifically Norwood Fish and jb Okay, and they were just like, cause, you know, we had been jamming together and doing shit together, on the road together and doing all that stuff, and it was just like, have you are you familiar with Betty Davis? Have you heard that? I was like the actress, you know, right, like Kim Curs. They're like no, Miles Davis's sex wife, and I was just like no, and

Was just like.

Mother a Like seriously, it was like a right, like some missing link type shit because the only person I had really felt connected to like that from when I was really little was like Mannie Riperton's voice used to do me like that, it resonated, it had a thing with me. And then I had a very in depth relationship with Sad as a teenager musically, and so there were just these things that you know, like there were

Like?

Can you start with the first one. I'll just start the title Dave crank it up.

I start from just three, yeah, four, So.

I see Nasty Gown. I just want to go to it because it's just that's okay. But as start with the first, start with the first one, start with that one, and then go to the last.

Albe was she started dating Addicted to Love Robert Palmer? Robert Farmer?

Really that makes sense?

Yeah, like yeah, oh, she was dating Robert Palmer?

Like what a minute, But you said addicted to love?

Well, that's why I was thinking of Robert Palmer. But yes, she started dating him, uh seventy eight, seventy nine, and he got her a deal on island and they made a record and then never released it. A sucker like me like went to Bleaker Bob's put a few Benjamins on it on the acid Tate. Oh wow, re released like two years later.

I like, originally yeah, but that expanded me and opened me up in another kind of way, and I just felt instantly like and I saw so much of my self in her and in her journey, and I just you know, it changed me. It's one of those, you know, one of those moments in your life.

Do you have any aspirations or hopes to at least be a part of her biopic or the telling of her story or Oh I would love to.

I would absolutely love to. I would absolutely I would like somebody to do the ship before I get to go down.

I have one more question, because I know we got a wraps in, but what it seems so obvious to me, Why have you not made a complete full album with organized noise or would that have been too obvious? Well not obvious, like you know, I mean, were you comfort with Dallas? You know, like you work well with Dallas? And has there ever been a thing like why don't you produce your work well.

With whoever I'm working with, whoever want to work Has the conversation ever come up I'm working about them doing a whole album.

They did.

They did quite a few, you know, they did, but not an entire album. But not an entire album. No, I've not done an entire album with anybody since Pendlam Black.

But I do feel that.

I've worked with different producers on different ships.

I would have loved to heard their production, and I just feel as though, because they did it so well with Cast and they did it so well with Goodie Mob and stuff.

It was talk of doing it several times. It just didn't happen. It just didn't happen. But that was always talk.

It was.

It was talk of a full Joy album. It was talk of pil Trick Gangster Click album. It was talk of, you know, a full Heroin album, which was me, Peaches and Stephanie at the time. It was talks of a well, uh, you know, it's been lots of talks. It's just it just wasn't something that came to where do.

Things stand now, just as far as where things are with the family, like it's just completely separate. This person's here, this person there, this person's up there, this person's down there.

I mean, then you know, I'm in any situation, I'm in it. I'm always the lone wolf. Even if I'm family affiliated, I'm still the lone wolf. You know wherever I am so, Uh, everybody's good. I don't see everybody. I'm out here, you know, everybody else is in Atlanta. But everything is fine with the you know, like, people are still cool, people still work together, people still talk people each other.

You played me some Sleepy stuff.

Yeah.

I don't know when sleep is gonna put his uh stuff out, but I think he is gonna do it fucking soon. Yeah.

Oh man, you have to tell us about being a bang bang girl.

Oh what a bang bang girl? Uh? So the cool thing that has happened, as like I said, the behind the scenes shit is cool. I'm fine with it. Since I've been living in LA, one of my cool hustles has been, you know, doing vocals for some for a lot of pop music, and in particular working with Max Martin.

Thought you were talking.

Wait though, that's like a whole supergroup, joy hold one.

Well it is, But you know, girl, we're just gonna work checks, dude, I mean check us out individually.

That's the check you're talking about, joy A. Sorry, final questions.

The Ray Ray intro, Yeah, that's that's what you have been a part of, like two of the greatest intro albums intro to albums ever and Ray Ray Thank.

You, Ray left Me Alone. He was working on that project. He just left me in the studio.

Whatever, dude, can.

You write me something?

I was like, and what I said was, I love that.

I was like, I'm gonna write you. I'm gonna write your intro song. I'm gonna write your intro some theme music. That's what I said. Like I got me. I was like, I'm gonna give you something. It'll be your version. It's like, okay. So he left me in then and I wrote to making Mighty in l A.

Yeah, but that's right right.

We almost had a Joynte duet. Everybody else.

You can kiss my entire black he is.

But yeah, that was one I love. That's one of my favorite things I've done. It was very funny making it.

It was and he loved it.

So I was glad that, you know, glad I was able to Was that given?

Was that after before y'all did I'm So Famous? After that was after okay all right? Yeah, that was after I thank you that. But I want to infess it to the world. Thank you, thank you, I love I'm so famous.

Thank you, Slam the Bombers.

Yeah, dance Yesterday's dance Yesterday. That's my favorite one.

Thank you, Thank you.

Is there a new albumm Yes when when when we sing?

It was January twenty first, Jerry twenty field. I'm sorry my birthday birthday.

So it's already out now, all right, Yes.

That's what I'm here.

It's already yeahend to you. What the album is called, sir, Rebecca Holy Love?

Yeah? Why you changed your Twitter name? I was like, must be a new album?

Is that?

Is that like a fierce type thing or is there a story behind that?

Well, you know, I'm Tennessee slim. It's just another alias Rebecca Savage, Immortal and Righteous Rebecca Holy Love. Us about Rebecca Rebecca is the you know, a woman fully realized stepping into her Christ's heads face and fully realizing the wrong you know, the the not too much difference, uh what really almost well, the duality of things. That's what she She's a woman who realizes the duality of things.

Ship Okay, I was hoping to get in there. I was like, damn independent, absolutely fantastic.

M hm mm hmm. We and the fan and got a cool little team. We're just gonna keep We're gonna take it one step at the time and just keep pushing that joker. You're going tour with Forward. I am going to to it. I need a booking agent. That's what I'm looking for now. I need somebody to book these shows.

All right, from your now to the ears of the hardest work. Listening to a podcast that should be Questo Supreme, God's favorite podcast. Yes, that's it.

But I'm excited, and uh, I'm excited about the work I produced. H hands on, I produced, I say four and I work with brook the Low. Yeah, I mean god, damn, y'all didn't respond like that.

We didn't expect to hear Brooks and Christmas.

Yeah.

We were literally just talking about this before you got here, about how like you know, artists, I mean not to say they got drafted, well yeah, gotted, and also just how like artists that are you know, of the older generation, how they need to work with like the new Jacks that grew up listening to them, you know, what I'm saying, like they need that and you don't.

You don't really see too much of that now, you know what I mean.

I mean just like half and half. He's one of them, and then he's not. You were not that young. He's not forty either, But they're the they're the ogs of the younger badasses that now exactly they were around to see it. They weren't the younger and they're trailblazers and kick ass fucking originals, you know. But I'm excited. Brooke did an amazing James fantastic.

Observation on note, this is the first time in all these episodes that I've seen Bill get genuinely excited about music coming out, Like you awakened something in him that has been dead for so long.

Excited.

Wow, because he hates everything.

I mean, I'm and I'm I'm pleased with the album is you know, it's fucking bumped. I can't wait for the show. It's bumping. It's bass heavy, it's mostly up Temple, Ship Jam, mid Temple and up Temple, and it's a couple of you know, slow ones. On book is a drum smith and a and a and a hardcore techner yes he is.

And for those of those listening that don't know who Brook is, he produced Miguel's a Door, right, Yes he did, and.

I think well he was. It was part of the Grammy performance at least.

But he did.

Yeah, he produced a gouble of the US.

Yeah, but but yeah, he's just a ridiculous tunes smith. And and it really helped me get my drums together. I'm fine with my beats be five, but I needed help getting them like chunky, like the sonics of them, getting them wide and full.

He really helped me, saying you take long tedious trump sells on stage, just joking anyway, just playing anyway, Joey, we thank you. This is this is like our first world cover. I feel like I know you now it is our first.

Well, no, this is, I said. Remember we had a really great conversation at Dark when I let you listen to Star.

Yes, yes, you can talk about that record at all. We didn't need to start kitting that was that was record you and rafter he know he did. Tennessee, he was exactly producer. That's one of my favorite one.

He said. Well, Tennessee, sim is the bond, he says, and this is out of his mouth. He says, I didn't produce that record. I just played bass on a couple of songs, That's.

What he said.

That's nice.

And he says, you produced that record, and I did. And I am like that with all of my projects. But I choose wisely on who I choose to work with because they bring out the best in me and I them. So I appreciate Ray for that. But yeah, Tennse simm was one of my favorite. Now that was half. Some of it was Dallas, some of it was Organized Noise, some of it was Raphael and this other cat. I can't even remember that brother's name right now, Andre something fuck,

Time, and.

I'm glad to be here. I'm glad I was here. It was fun.

Thank you. Well, you're awesome too.

Thank you, and I appreciate it. We think the look amazing. I can't see you here, so I just want everybody.

To know we'll get all the looks.

Andre Betts, Andre Betts, thank you, and brother and b T T T and human Nature. I'm like, wait and Bets he did get.

On okay on the album Yeah we got him Andre Betts all right well, or be half of the team Supreme fan take a little uh boss Billy and our guests Joy, Thank you very much. Thank you for the confooks at west Lake Audio. This is an awesome experience. Shout out the bubbles. Shout out the bubbles. Yeah, bubbles, room up there, bubble looking down over us.

Thank you Coco, because we are bringing out the year with a female engineer.

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All right, y'all, or when we have a Team Supreme. This is Quest Love Man. We'll see you on the next go round. Thank you very much. Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic episode was produced by the team at Pandora. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.