QLS Classic: Jazzy Jeff (Part 2)

Of Course, Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic episode was produced by the team at Pandora. Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to Part two of Dj Jazzy Jeff on QLs Classic.

Now this is a little bit different.

Part one was courtesy of August twenty eighteen. We didn't even get to part two until almost a full year later. So here we are May fifteenth, twenty nineteen, almost a year later, with the great DJ Jazzy Jeff Part two QLs Classic.

Let's go.

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And yeah we know why, right, I should have Yeah, I should have listened.

It was almost died call like we have this. Shout out to the studio.

We're still at uh in our Philly pilgrimage where at the Milk Boy Studio aka the studio, and they're fancy cheese here and.

Fancy cheese.

There's something about there's something about when that organ shrill starts, there's a level of panic in the air, and like the intro, that's.

That's some early QLs reference for our listeners.

Yeah, and I heard it.

Oh yeah, my my love for Latin quarter stories. Yes, when those drums happened, that means someone's getting their ass beat at the Latin quarter.

When that when those rules come in.

Yeah, but when I heard the organ thing, I was like, oh, I'm eating cheese. Oh I don't know, I'll swallow it real quick.

And then that was it. I was choking. So this is a historical first, ladies and gentlemen, we have our first repeat guests knew this movement was happening, kind of wow, well, okay, half the people weren't here at the time when Jeff came before. So this is this is the full the full throttle Jazzy Jeff episode with all the members present.

But would you like to tell them why we had to have a part two?

Why we didn't even get the Will Smith. Yeah, Will Smith was not even interpart. Woo, So we can start like the Biggie record previously over. He did die? So, Jeff, you were five years old when you got your first All right, Jeff, so in nineteen seventy eight. All right?

We ended talking about the DMC battle and how Jeff wanted to It's one.

Of my favorite episodes.

I actually wow, not only mind narcissistic, I'm also a sponge full of information.

I remembered that.

He used the wrong turn tables and still won the battle against was it DJ Cheese?

Yes, okay Cheese, that's ironic. You used like a belt drawer direct? What was wrong? It was two setups and one of them wasn't acting right, and everybody that used that setup lost, and he dissed me, and I got mad and I wanted to beat him on the bad setup. So I did beat him. So I did it?

He whoofed his ass? Yes? So then once you're crown king, uh, what happens?

Like? I mean, they gave me a big cup and you like all of the all of the DMCs after that or the New Music seminars, they gave a belt and they gave me a cup. I mean I appreciate the cup.

You know, first you take the cup. Yeah, but you know I can't. I came home.

I can't. The funny thing is I came home and went straight to W Das because you know, did you cut?

Did you cut? Is that the night that you cut? Baby, let's go go. You went to Das.

This is in the eighties, and you stayed on the only thing that a musquite and you cut big chump beat, a big drum beater four minutes straight. And it's what they that wasn't me, No, no, no, no, you were cutting it for a street.

Yes, you were cutting big jump.

Yes.

I don't know if it's after this night particular. No, I probably wasn't.

Well, you know we we lived in d A, Yes, you know we we we had kind of had car blocks that you just kind of show up stop. Yeah. Yeahs was like that. I like that. Yeah, shout out to uh everyone a d s uh j Ones and and well j Ones.

Is now uh uh uh he's like the record, he's a record.

J Ones is now the right hand man of DJA. Yeah.

But you know that was doing the workdays.

That's great.

I mean that had their Yeah Mixed show at Friday nights between like nine thirty and Cut Master Butter and uh cut What was his name, Lawrence Levon?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Uh, that's also the night that Larry he's a guy from Philly.

Yeah.

There's always these glorious names that if your name, if you're a French name in black, dude, you're that's quite glorious.

So I guess we can start with how did you meet Will Smith?

Oh? Okay, Well, you know, back back then, it wasn't uh like a bunch of really big groups, you know, it was it was everybody had a DJ on their block and then they we would all kind of get together, you know, at the wind the Hotel, Philadelphia, Wagoner's ball Room, just all of the spots in the city. So I knew of Will. I knew, you know, he was on the flyer with me for a couple of shows. So I knew the group that he was with, this group,

I got a party to do tomorrow and you know, so essentially you two are having an affair with each other.

Yeah, oh absolutely. How do you tell your respective cruise?

Well, how do you know?

I don't know how he handled it.

I know you know what it was.

It was.

It was a couple of shows that Will and Ice did together and you could definitely tell the difference. Is there an age difference between the two.

Ice might be a little bit maybe two years older than Will. Hmmm, so is that dog years and years?

Like no, no, no, no, no, no, Well you gotta understand this was so early. You know, it might have been twenty rap records out period, so we're not even talking about the Rutgers. We're just talking about everybody. It was, you know, it was a main cruise in Philly, right, and it was just kind of like what year is by the way, eighty five?

Okay, eighty five? And it was it was notice was it eighty five?

Yeah? It was eighty five. You're still cutting a shout. We're doing all of that, you know, we were doing something with drum with a drum machine. I had a routine that I did with a nine on nine that was that I used to do this thing with a nine on nine and this boss foot pedal that on the back of the nine on nine there's a there's a trigger out and and the trigger out is the rim shot. So if you plug the boss foot pedal up to the trigger out, anytime you hit the trigger out,

Yeah, we was always ahead of Wow.

Well you were always ahead of it, like you and technology. Nah. Listen.

I did a session with Jim in two thousand and six seven and he was recording vocals and ableton like back then.

I want to say, I found out about Final Scratch from you. Yeah, yeah, somebody quoted you or something.

Yeah, And I smoked my vote, my first baby pen with you.

I'm all the way across the board technology game.

Listen.

You know so about and how are you finding about? You're not up on this next, like I don't think I don't think you are?

You know you you you know.

I grew up going downtown every day, going into funkal Mark every day and staring at the equipment that you can't afford, right, you know, and and then getting cool with them, like you know, listen, I bought a I bought an echo machine on layaway. People don't even understand the layerway. I was going down there putting three dollars.

But it was just so I could get on the mic and go.

Do it, do it, do it? Wait?

Were you were you ever that type of DJ where you did your.

Own listen, shut up, you gotta understand listen. I was DJing before they were rappers. Wow, So like, what else are you gonna do? You get on the mic, y old shout out to such and such from fifty second and Addison go curl girl, girl, your mama's coming. Yeah, right, waiting for your mama's here. Yeah, I know them.

So in doing these routines, then how do you guys, what's the next step?

Is it? Word up records? And yeah?

Well you know what. Everything happened really fast because Will was on his way to college. He was going to M I T. Whoa, oh yeah he was. Will was going to M I T.

Like he was. He was serious, and it was kind of like we hooked up, like I want to say that this party had to be sometime in maybe January. And and I know you'll remember this like Phillip, Philly has a schedule. Philly has a calendar that you know from you got January February as soon as March come. Bartram would always have the first prom of any of the high schools, so that kicked off prim season. So every Friday it's Bartum, then it's mass Bomb and such

Wait time out, so spawn or engineer in the other room is put his hands up for cornicopia side note.

I went to the wrong corner coopia.

Oh no, there's there's a corner coopia bar on fifty second and Gerard, yeah, and I walked in that motherfucker like no, fifty second right right, And it was not the after So okay. So this is also because you gotta also explain that with hip hop culture in the eighties, Uh, we weren't going to the mainstream clubs or none of those things.

Like all this was it was rented ballrooms. Like the Wind was a ballroom.

The Wind wasn't a club you rented to win, you rented the hotel Philadelphia. We didn't have like I almost want to say that the first club that we actually had was after midnight.

Wow, like after midnight was a specific was a club.

Yeah, and you know that's what was the Spaghetti Factory. No, no, no, I'm talking about the first after midnight was the what was the eighth and Cherry. Yeah, the first after midnight was eighth and Cherry. Eighth and Cherries was l l understand the spaghetti warehouse after midnight. Oh, that ship lasted about three months. That that had the potential to be Philly's best club ever. And the people in the neighborhood was like, nah, y'all not doing that here. Oh they

Apologize, you know, follow trying to figure out you got that? Yes, you never heard it? Of course I heard it.

I'm just shocked that you got Well, no, I'm not shocked. Do you know who he? I forgot who? No, I absolutely know who he is.

So what historical shows that you've seen?

Listen?

I mean, you know everything that was that after midnight?

Because like I said, you know, once after midnight came, we wasn't really going to the wind because we had a club. You know, that was kind of like, yo, this ship is popping every week. So you would go down there and you know, and and l would come through, and Big Daddy Kane would come through, and Stetsy Sonic would come through, and you know, it was it was it was the home. I finally got Big Daddy came to talk about the Jazz Fresh Battle. I got that.

Okay, yeah, I say, by the way, by the way, after midnight is definitely the Philly Latin Quarter, especially when I mean a big part of Philly's presence in late eighties hip hop also has to do with the fact that because with the exception of the muscle of Carol Lewis getting a fresh vest into maybe the Nassau Coliseum, Massive Square Garden really wasn't having that. So you really couldn't get good hip hop in proper venues. Thus you either going Latin Quarter or you're going down ninety.

Five yeah to Philly to do uh dispatch the midnight Yeah yeah, oh right, the spectrum of course for that stuff.

So how do you guys, how do you put.

Routines together when it's time to do How long are these DJ gigs for starters?

Oh?

Man, you was playing for an hour? Wait? I mean, well, you got to keep them oud. It was ninety seven DJs on like it was always a million d Come on, man, you listen. Don't make me pull out them flyers and see how many people were on those shows.

You weren't doing three to four hours a year.

No, first of all, let me just explain because I think you invented that exactly. You ind man, you know how many people booked me. It was a quest love played for. I was like, yeah, they don't do that.

I don't do that.

I can't do that.

Look what you did just an hour?

Well listen back then, but well not just that. What you have to understand the the Live and Union Square show was twenty minutes. Wow, you didn't do shows for an hour.

Ship we had two.

Records, like they didn't know that. Yeah, but they didn't know that we were gonna fill in the gaps like that. Like that was you gotta understand. When we started doing shows, we just were taking what we were doing at the wind. We were taking what we were doing before we had records, and you would add that to your records. So it's kind of like, yo, I'm gonna start off and I'm gonna cut these three records. Ready Rocks, he gonna come out, he's gonna do the beatbox, and then we're gonna do

Man.

Everybody was that's it, that's it, and you just you know, it was kind of like, yo, we need to you know, we need to show up. Well, first of all, you gotta understand, we didn't know what they were doing. We thought what we were doing in Philly, we thought is what everybody else was doing, right, So we got to New York and started doing it, and it was just kind of like everybody's going crazy, and I'm just kind of like, what are you going crazy for? Y'all do the same shit.

I found out when Reek first got to stretching, Barbidos thought everybody was freestyling.

Oh no, no.

So that's why Reek became such a stickler for freestyling, because again it's like whoa wu ting must be doing this and nas Mus be doing this and try to.

Hear them same albums. Yeah, absolutely, so wow, okay, so okay, well making your twenty minute seven? Uh are you thinking of like, okay, song of the moment or nah? No, I mean everything was DJ are in it. You know, it's it's kind of like you knew the records that were DJ records. You know, it's typical you know, dances, drummers, beat this, this, this, this, you know, what is something that people know that you can manipulate that they can see what you're doing and you know and that they

But when did you realize that certain records are hotter in other cities that you might not have been.

Oh man, let's the drummers preat let's stand to the drummers beaten Houston. No no, no, I mean and trust me, it wasn't until we started going out that you started realizing. There was two things we I remember us doing. I remember us doing the Richmond Coliseum and I did a DJ routine and halfway through it, I looked up and everybody was just staring at me, and I was like,

I do it.

Like we realized how you have to do it is you have to tell people Jeff scratch like a bird. And then when you do it, everybody's like, oh my god, like they didn't get it, Like hip hop hadn't come that far in all of those places, you know that to the point that people understood what a hip hop DJ was doing.

So it was the same thing.

That's kind of like, Okay, I'm I'm cutting dances, drummers, beat and then you get someplace and you do it and you got that look like, Okay, they have no idea what this record is. That's where Rock the Bells came from. That's where Peter Piper came from, because you cut records that everybody know. Like that was my biggest criticism when I used to watch DJs and DJ battles, that they would do these amazing routines off of records that nobody know. It's kind of like, how do they

I'm trying to figure out that for stro right now, because still I feel like the only people that are truly mind blowing at what Stroe Elliott does and Jeremy as well, is the roots on stage, because the whole audience is just like a silent stunt like you know, occasional Instagram will be like oh stroeh.

Like all all that is is just picking popular records, but he and he doesn't how they're supposed to be done, and then he flips it once we flips it the hip.

Hop on one right, same basically the same concept.

We got to figure out a way, Like when he was saying, like instructions like a bird and break it down right here, that sort of thing.

And when do you decide, Like that's what I was asking, when do you decide when I go to DC. Okay, I'm gonna play my ship, but also I know I can play this because this this record was hot.

Here and you almost have to go to find out, you know, because God blessed that time. Music was different in every place that you went to, you know, and you appreciated that. You know, I enjoyed doing those shows that Columbus, Ohio was different. You know, you go to you know, d C or Virginia. You know you got a little bit of that go go stuff that you can kind of add it. Like you you you heard what each territory musical taste was. You know, I'm scared

The other day regional Like there's no regional sounds in none, only the foundation.

Like I know, I feel like Jamaica Punk is like a regional record, Like it's like a DC to those kind of classes.

How did you inject you and Will when y'all first? So your first deal wasn't directly with John?

No?

No, no, no, no, how was well? We did? You know what was funny? You know?

Word up was an extension of pop art, which was you know, was l Lawrene Goodman?

Yeah, oh yeah, well understand Dana Goodman owned World Up, so you know it's the Goodman So it was funny because Dana lived around the corner from Will. So me and Will did the demo of Girls Ain't Nothing but Trouble, and Will gave it to Dana because we were you know.

We weren't even what did y'all even cut it on? Oh listen, I had a I had a drum machine and a four track and it was just kind of.

The original was done on the fore track. Well understand, the original original was done over Moments in Love. Yes, I.

Do on the shoe Yeah, do you still have that?

No? I don't and I need that. I need that to Will Will go crazy for that, dude. I we lived on in London. We have that someone in my storage unit. I got that she had do do on the shoe, don't We got to go to the store unit tomorrow. There you go, yeah we do, but yeah, you know we we we did it. He gave and he gave the demo to Dana. So it was funny because Will called was like, Yo, Dana wants to come over and talk to us about putting out a record.

Yo, man, what's going on?

How you doing? And he was like what are you doing here? And Dana was like, I'm coming to check out the young boy and his you know, in his demo, and Keith's face got really serious and he looked at Dana and he was like, pie, that's Jimmy Town's son. I mean, Jimmy Town's brother. Don't fuck with him. Oh, and I was looking like, what's going He said, that's that's family. That's I'll never forget that. It's like, that's family.

So what did you just save you from that? You don't know what just happened?

Well, well, I know Dana pulled a gun out on Will Wait what oh yeah, yeah, yeah, so it's a whole bunch of that. But yeah, none of that ever happened to me. Wow, okay, yeah, so let's talk about the let's not let's not gloss over it. Yeah, the crafting of Girls ain't nothing but trouble. What's some major ship Because it was like by that point you could choose. You could choose two squads. You could either go the

In other words, you know you're set up lining right here and then your second set of line round here, and then your first set of line round and then the punchline and if.

You no no no no no no, and then then I'll take a sister too. And with schooly D, it's the same thing with It's like the two set up lines.

I went to no no no no no no no, and then I got no no no no no no no no no, and win no no no no no no no no no, and then the punchline something, and then I pulled my gun. Then y'all could easily went there because everybody in their mom was going to the schooly D narrative route you guys chose. I felt you guys were more trying to go the slick Rick route,

Now it's you guys.

Yeah, So like, how did you guys craft? It was just like, okay, let's.

Will was a great storyteller. So he he he had Girls at Nothing but Trouble written, and I just programmed the beat and grabbed the TV tunes record and play I Dream a Genie.

Yeah, and and he wrote it.

But you know, like I said, I remember doing shows playing that, you know, cutting the instrumental of moments in love, and Will would do moments you know, Will would do Girls in Nothing but Trouble. And I was blown away at how everybody was looking at his mouth like waiting for the next line. And I was like, yo, like this is crazy. Like this he's got some power, if you know what I mean. You're telling something that that that's that visual that you can kind of see it in your head.

So he was always a start.

He was all yeah, he always had that that level of writing. Uh, that was very visual. Now doing business with Goodman, yeah.

I mean, listen, you know what this is. This is this is back in the day.

There was I had no aspirations to make a record like that wasn't it you know, my in my brain, I had my life's set. I was about to go work at pg W because they had great benefits. I was going to take a two week vacation in wild would, and I was going to get a house on Coys Creek Parkway so I could look across the street at some grass, Like.

I really thought that that was it path mark.

So when it was kind of like, hey, let's put this, let's let's do this record, we go in the studio and basically, you know, take my drum machine and record it and fly Girls in that my trouble in and Will Will does it and he puts it out and it starts getting played on d A S and then it starts getting played on BLS in New York, and then we have to go to New York and then we do Latin Quarters and we do this and next thing, you know, when North Carolina like this, this was all

He was balling because it was a hit.

Oh man, it was. It was playing it everywhere like and and and it was also in my brain, I'm like, okay, he about to go to college, like and we start we end up we go to LA and start doing stuff, and the next you know, we got a call like they you know, this is blowing up huge in London.

They want you to come over and do Top of the Pops. And we didn't know what Top of the Pops was.

A the top no listen, So we get over there and we didn't have work papers, so they wouldn't let us perform. So we literally flew over there for them to say, hey, this is DJ Judge Jeff for the first Prince and we said hi everybody, and they played girls ain't.

Nothing but trouble, but you couldn't perform. No, we couldn't perform.

I hate like but it was, you know, and it got to the point that it started gaining so much traction that Will kind of went to his mom and dad was like, you know, I gotta I gotta see where this's go, you know.

And you know, it's crazy because it was played on the radio and us doing all of that traveling. You gotta understand, we didn't have a family member that had ever been to London, so it was kind of like, listen, I can't say nothing. I got okay, you know, and that was it, like it it started and never stopped.

You know.

We did Girls in that Much Trouble?

Of course, you know Dana wanted to do Guys Ain't nothing but trouble because everybody wanted to do an answer. So he was right, let's let's answer our own record.

So who's like is ice cream No?

No?

Like you know ice cream tea? I think Lady b knew ice cream tea. So we did Guys in that Much Trouble. Then we did just one of those days, which is the record that I hate with. Let me tell you, let me tell you why, let me tell you why. Listen.

So Dana, Dana is in the studio.

So first of all, the first lesson that it's girls in him, but Trouble comes out and that ship says produced and written by de Goodman, And I was just kind of like, okay, if he did that, I'm just

So Dana, wait time out. I believe that the studios on Jeff chest Okay, I thought it was. He also did the Goodman stuff, all.

Right, Yeah, no, that was Joe the Butcher. So Dana felt that the hook of Girls Ain't Nothing but Trouble follow Me was too slow. The hook was too slow. So he kept saying, I want to speed it up, and I'm saying, you can't speed up the hook and not speed up the record. So they splice the tape and sped it up. So if you listen to just one of those days, oh yeah, get to the place. Oh wait, I know what.

You're talking about. It gets really fast and it slows down. Always wondered about that.

Yeah, that's it. With you again. I thought that was you You have to understand that the hair on the back of my neck is rising, that you're playing you wait over your life and you just can't sing right. And when you just hadn't say you said, man, it's just one of those.

Hold on Washington chains, hold on.

Just that part.

Yeah, and he did it and he released it.

Yeah.

I always thought that was kind of weird, but I thought that was just no, no, no, no, that was that was so good.

I mean when they were the street guys, like where the street the street guy, I mean, and and and.

You know, not not taking anything away life. Yeah, I'm sure are they not incarcerating listen? I don't know. I mean, but you know. The funny thing is like Dana and Lawrence Goodman, especially Lawrence Goodman. When you think about it, Lawrence Goodman was the first death jam. Lawrence Goodman had salt and pepper, you know. Lawrence Goodman had like everybody, you know, everybody, he had everyone what happened you know?

Man?

You know sometimes you can't separate church and state.

Damn.

Because his sons, his sons were the.

Young It's all coming together in my head now. I thought he worked for like PGW.

Or something me, so, you know, it was and it was.

It was crazy because then we put the album out. We went in the studio and recorded the album. Thank god he didn't spend anything up other than that or that, and the album comes out and the album starts to blow up. So the only money that we were ever making was from shows, like you know, and and you know, I knew, I knew where this was going. And then what happened was JOV reached out and was like, yo,

No?

No, no, no, no no he was. He was just a label. He was just a label. So when we signed or when he signed to Jive, you know, that's when we could officially get rid of the run DMC album cover.

I love that though.

Whose idea was that that was Dana's man? That ship was whack, that was whack. He took run DMC's album cover and we did it, and man, like, listen, fuck them. I felt some kind of way people was just like, how you gonna just had a run DMC cover?

No, listen, that was not cool.

That was so not cool. That was absolutely not cool. I mean I still have a copy of that, and I'm not getting rid of me. I was going to say, one, it's very expensive to fine. But I saw it as homage. I never saw that as we biting. Well, he was biting. It's called the house. He was rocked the house. He was biting. But you know, if it's under five years, then it's biting, but if it's over ten years, it's amage. Maybe that's the rule now homage. I mean, listen, Run

So the wholes of the word up rock the House? Was it the exact same record?

Y'all did another version of Girls that wasn't on that wasn't on the album. That was yeah, yeah, but that was also after that was that was after parents, That was job with the Job chasing some ship.

While we were talking about jiving you guys signed over, there was there any trepidation because they already had a jazzy Jeff.

Well, you know what, let me tell you something.

What saved me because he sued me really oh yeah, he tried to sue me for twenty million dollars, which I thought was that absolute joke because I was just like, where the fuck are you gonna get that at it? But when we sat down in that meeting talking about you know, like when we were doing the distribution deal, I said it, I said, wait a minute, are we going to have an issue because you have a jazzy Jeff signed to your label? And they said, no, we'll

It was that was Jazzy Jeff fro the Funky four plus one more. Ah yeah, okay. He did a solo deal on Job.

And then you know when when everything started, I don't know what happened with him, but you know, after some years he was just kind of like, yo, like you you took my name, and I'm like nigga. My name is Jeff.

Jeff, you know, but did you have any other Yeah, did you have other options?

Or?

Man, I was mixed I was Mixed Master Jeff before I was Jazzy Jeff. But that ship was way too expensive. You tried going getting the shirt with Mixed Master Jeff paking twenty five cents a leven. I was like, you lucky, My ship wasn't j Jeff.

Since we're on, since we're on the topic of the name, I want to fact check discogs really quick. Are you on this because all boys records? Yes, okay, corner Boys, yes, okay, that's all I need to know. Oh yeah, yes, And what were those records?

They were?

They were Philly groups, Philly groups that you I did scratches on like.

This was eighty five yeah, oh wow, wow. Listen, you was just.

Trying to be on the record, like I said, Man, I was.

I was trying to get crad down at PGW, which is Philadelphia Gas Works, right, I was.

Trying to be down there, like yeah, you know how just scratches on that.

No, you didn't even look my name, you know, I didn't ship. That happened you mentioned earlier. You was talking about Goodman. They was like, you know, that's Jimmy Town's brother, So what was your brother? That was the seventies. You know, they was in all kinds of ship. So, you know, it was just like people people knew, Like I didn't.

I didn't know the level of respect that my brother and my brother's friends had until after I got older that you realized, you know, like, okay, they was you know this is back gang Wars.

Yeah, you know, yeah, you know, this is all of that. So you know, I think they knew, you know, they knew of each other.

And evidently for him saying that had more to do with you know, I know how you get down and I'm just letting you know that's family. Wow, that's dope. Man, that's crazy. When when y'all did.

The first album rocked the house when it went to Jive, was there any other who else was on?

Yeah?

So like who the other? I mean, what made y'all say I think this is a good fit for us?

Well, well, first, let me just say any label was a good fit back then. So it wasn't like we was picking and choosing. It's like whoever came with, you know, because you really looked at it like the my closest path to success is getting this so that everybody can hear it, and everybody wasn't going to hear it on World Up records. And how did that? How did rock House did it go? Go? Yeah?

Yeah?

And you know that words before he's the DJ, I'm the rapper like no before okay, just America.

It's just you know, and that was we got a chance to tour and we you know, that's we went on tour with Houdini and we went on to a run DMC and you know that's that's where everything starts, you know. And and in nineteen eighty six, it was it was us, it was Kid and Play, it was Salt and Pepper, it was Man Tronics, it was Kumo D Like all of us did a million shows together because we all came around and came out around the same time under the rush banner or not.

Well no, it was just like you know, like I said, it wasn't that many hip hop groups.

So the hip hop groups that came out and popped and were Jazzy, Jeffery Fresh, Prince, Salt and Pepper.

You know, Man Tronics, cadn't play. Who am I missing?

Who you know, well Houdini were already out there. Well, Eric bing Rockham like we all came out at the same time. Chuck d with w guys the Extra Strength Posse. Yeah, yeah, whenever I was like, damn what I always wanted to know, like if the roots were out back then, like what category.

Instrumentalists number twelve? I was like, what I got to do to be the Extra Strength Posse?

Do you acknowledge that you're the first person to use funky drummer?

You know what's funny? Bam Bodis said that to me.

Oh, Bam Bodis said that to me at the New Music seminar when I won Bambida because Bambada had heard The Magnificent and he was like He came.

Up to me and he was just like you you're a bold motherfucker.

And I remember looking at him and he was just like, because you you let the record go because people were scratched.

No one ever let it go. And I was just like, Okay, I'm you.

Know, I can't tell you the amount of times that I have tried how many times I've made pause tape just as this.

When I heard this, I was like, what the hell is this. I would I would take.

This to funkl Mark, you know, Bob down the market, Come on, Bob, rest in peace, Bob. I no one could tell you who it was, and for like at least a year and a half until I discovered in the Jungle group, like a year and a half later that I know where it came from.

How come nobody use that break?

I don't know. Listen, they weren't using breaks then?

Were? You just said I was the first person to do it?

People are the.

First person I ever heard using pizza president. And I'm not just talking about just the door. You actually use the rest.

Of this as we go we.

Project Dana Brod project Oh okay, yeah, oh wait, yeah eighty seven idiot.

Yeah, but you used it in a musical yeah.

Way for more flushed out musical way, where Marley Mom just used project O as you know, a stab or that sort of thing.

So okay, So in doing this record, can you give.

Us any what was doing those uh post post Freshfest? I guess they were Deaf Jam tours by then or whoever's had at the time ll tours or what was that?

Like?

Oh man, that was that was amazing?

You're it's twenty thousand people, twenty thousand people, and you're you know, and you're going, you know, you're, you're it's twenty thousand people in Albuquerque, New Mexico. So you also, like I said, you understand, I'm still thinking, I'm supposed to be at the gas company. What am I doing in Albuquerque, New Mexico? We were going to cities. By this point, you're still thinking, like when this in a real job?

Oh man, I didn't think this ship was going to work out until a couple of years ago. I still think a couple of years ago.

List So after rocking the house because that went gold, I mean, did that change financially? Like I mean you no, no, come on, come on. We talked about the music business. We ain't never been good. But what I will say is, you know you're making money doing these shows. You're doing tours, you know. And it was funny because I went through this thing of I remember, you know, Will and I. I don't even remember exactly how much we were getting paid. All I know is I was pretty much coming home

So I'm like, wait a minute.

My signature matches every week when I make a deposit, but it doesn't match when I make a withdraw. And I got mad and asked to see the bank manager and pulled all no, it was what was citizens? It was? It was no, it was melon meon. I still got my red debit card when the debit cards first came out.

But yeah, you know, you don't. I didn't think this was gonna be real, you know. And we we we got through the first album, and when we went in the studio to do He's the DJ on the Rapper. We actually did the DJ album because it was a double album. We did the DJ album first in Philly and then we went to London to do He's the DJ on the Rapper. And while we were in London, we got a call from Barry at Job saying Dana wants to sell the rights to Jazzy Jeff and the

How that happened?

I mean, come on, dude, we were signing the word up. Word Up signed the job, so they never signed direct the job, would he because.

Listen, I don't know, you know, people getting you know, he needed something and you know, and it was it was this weird balance because he wanted to He wanted to sell it Monday. Then we get to call Tuesday, he said no. Then he went back Wednesday, Yeah, I want to sell it, and then he said no, and then it was kind of like we want X amount of dollars and then he came back and he wants more, and you know, it just kept fluctuating, and I remember the day that they called and said the deal is done.

That that sparked parents just don't understand, and Nightmare on My Street.

Yeah, you gotta tell tell the story real quick. The second album was always intended to be a double no no, no, no, no, we we.

The whole idea was, Okay, everybody likes Jeffers a DJ, let's do a DJ.

Album, so it would have been like a side for him and the side for you. No, it was really supposed to be like a DJ album.

You know, these are beats and Jeff scratching and all the rest of this, and it was just kind of like, I don't know if the world is ready for this, and we did it and it just kind of sat there. So when we went to go into the studio to do the the Jeff and Will album, the idea came out, why don't we mix all of this up and make it a double album. Oh okay, and so all the all the the MC stuff y'all did in London at the at the Job studio in London.

So the album initially the album that is side three and side floor side for was the DJ and that was completed as is.

Yeah, we did.

We did some extra stuff in London, like we did.

We did. He's the D John the rapper in London, like a lot of the DJ stuff of me cutting and will rapping with just routines that we would do. Yeah like that, but that was all, you know, we would we would be at the y m c A and doing Job rhythm tracks and we'll just say, hey, Jeff, you know what do you think about such and section?

You would answer is it too late?

Is it too late?

I gotta say, that's one of the strangest songs like I've ever heard on the radio. I grew up in Indiana and that song was always on the radio. Yeah, Raven tracks, house party style. Really yeah, they were just paying they would play it on the radio.

You know what.

I gotta admit that I was six seconds old. I'm now realizing that, Oh yeah, he's the DJ on the rapper is a MC side and the DJ side.

Like even the sticker on the on the front of the album said it was comes with bonus DJ album or something like that.

Yeah, damn I or scratch record I think they called it. Yeah.

They was trying to work out I'm twenty.

One seconds you're you're I'm twenty one seconds old. Like I'm just realizing that right now.

Y'all had to live in London, y'all when you recorded.

Now, we did it in a month.

So was Battery Studios not fully developed in New York in the Jive building yet?

No, it was so all fly to London in London. Estate was done in London. I see, I see, Okay, So making the video obviously wait time out Nightmare on My Street, please tell the story of the Fat Boys and well listen, we you know it was we did the record Nightmare on Myne Street. I used the piano line from Nightmare on My Street and this and this, the screech and all the rest of that, and it came out and the you know, parents of song stand came out and just went crazy and we knew we

Yes, I mean, but you have to have done a lot with new line since anyway, like, no, we did you ever do the too?

No listen, like it was I don't even remember as the second movie was, and we just we were just.

Like no, Will has never done a New Line movie.

No, because I understand this was before, like we didn't look at it like they're offering us a movie role. This was kind of like, in fact, yeah, this is kind of like, yeah, you know, this is payment payment back, so we were just like it would have been for free. No, No, they probably would have paid. I'm very sure they would have paid a minute. But house Party was get cleaned. Yeah, but okay, you're talking about house Party as we know

Wait just one second, now, B Street was eighties. This is what they chose. I've heard this songbody once in my life. Sounds like Michael Jackson, right that silp slap face man. Yeah, that just yeah, that wasn't it.

That wasn't it. New Line y'all fucked up?

And then who who Deny came with the next one for the next movie.

Anyway, I Gotta Swing it that was, and then the video was like taking place outside the the Nightmare ol Street House or something I missed because I was I was on be et every day after school, field knowledge every day after school.

You serious it's called anyway I Gotta swing I'm pretty sure.

Yeah, man, like the knife.

That's a Nightmare on Elm Street song Welcome.

Back Steve Man. How did for the like the samples?

Because it wasn't until I got older a lot of the I was saying the samples that I was using, Like I mean, like Westchester Lady like she like that.

How you were the first to use jazz samples? Pretty much?

I'm a I'm I became a great digger because of a Touch of Jazz, Like I need to know what that Harlem River Drive sample was and and all that ship Like those were the first records I bought?

Were the records that you used on Touch of Jazz?

Was it?

Was there a reason that you didn't go to everyone's using games? Well everyone, yeah, using the uh ultimate beats and breaks. You could have easily went there and just made a mix of that, but instead using records that weren't on Ultimate Beats and Breaks.

Well, you gotta think this is what you also got to think about what volume of Ultimate Beats and Breaks was Dancing Drummers Beat three? Yes, So I had three volumes to choose from, Like this is what I'm saying, like this was so early. There were only three volumes out oh, Like it was.

Like it was we didn't have this.

Plethora of sampling information that we had. Then this tim my brother, you know my brother and the record you know, like I grew up with chick career, Herbie Hancock, Myhavish New Orchestra, you know, Stanley Clark, George Dude. Then my dad was Wes Montgomery, Jimmy Smith, all of us. I'm the sponge. So all I decided to do was kind of like, yo, let me go and grab some of the records that he would play. You know, I know those albums front to back, not just for the samples.

So I you know, I.

Wasn't the Marvin Gaye, Stevie Wonder. I was the chick corea in return it forever. WoT Yeah, listen, I gotta give my brother credit. Like he My brother came in and he showed me how to take the record out the jacket, put the record on the turntable, don't put your fingerprints on it.

And he was like, listen, I can if.

He was like, you can use my.

Stereo when I'm at work. My brother worked all day. So I was ten years old, and I would put a cassette in and I would make tapes. Wow, you know, and you know, like I said, I'm making chick corea tapes. You know, explain, Explain how you've told me this story like years ago.

And I was just like, what the fuck? Explain how you were up for Grammy and yet y'all are broke. How does that happen?

I mean, I think everybody in the room know how that happens.

But you know it was.

Is this the year you guys the Grammys?

No?

No, no, no, no, this was this was another year.

This was after that.

So on the rooftop okay, and that was for y'all, y'all were nominated for He's the DJ. Right, y'all got nominated?

Yeah, okay. They didn't want to televise it right. You know, they were kind of like, nah, we think we should give another category to Garth Brooks were like, yo, he got nine, like you can give hip hop one, especially if hip hop is easily the one, two or three top selling genre of music like you. You know, you

Made money, but you're never paying attention.

Like the one thing that I've realized, especially back then, if you know, you're twenty two years old and you put out a record, and the record sells, and somebody gives you a two hundred thousand dollars check, I don't know a person alive that checked it to see if it was supposed to be two hundred or it was supposed to be nine hundred, Like you don't check it, and I you know, looking back at hindsight, they knew that, you know, they knew that, just like record companies knew that.

I have to be on the safe side.

But they know that. So it was the same thing that you know, you get to the point that you know, you learn these terminologies like cross collaterzation. You know that you're just kind of like, you don't pay me my money before you have to give me the budget for the next album, and you say that the budget for the next album came from the money you're supposed to pay me, And I'm kind of like that shit makes no sense.

Like it was gangster. It was gangster, but it was just.

Kind of like, you're paying me with my own money, you know, like and and you you know, back then you couldn't really fight it, you know, you would you would say something, and then then you're deemed the troublemaker, you know if if you're asking questions that somebody don't really want you to ask.

So, y'all, so this was for the third album, for the end in this corner.

That well, no, like all of this stuff started to happen, you know, it started on the first album and it really came you know, it really came on He's the DJA and the Rapper and and and then the third album.

How how different was the post YOMTV rap effect of your life? Once the second album comes out and blows up because you're saying that, Okay, the second ILM went triple platinum.

But that was very unusual. Come from nineteen eighty eight. Completely, that was unheard of. Well, you know what, back then, you know, hip hop was solely urban. It was solely urban, like most black music that would come out. The whole idea is you have the black stations that are playing it, and then if it catches on, they would say that it's going pop, and that just meant it went over to the white station, you know, and that's when the record.

So, man, how did you keep it secret. I don't know. Is it still secret? I don't listen. Listen, I would not be sitting here if.

Did you deal with it?

No?

I mean listen, I don't. But the song is so like, how did they not? I don't know. I have no idea, Man, I have no idea, and I don't believe that.

I don't. I don't believe that the power is to be didn't hear it? I think it was kind of like, hey man, that ship is cool and just left?

What was the time difference between parents? Just don't understand? And then because I felt like the TV show came in my I was just I dodn't want to know. I want to know that. That's what I want to know. Two years between okay and Yeah, it.

Was that I bought it in This Corner album and like it just what was going on with y'all? Couarter? I was list wait time out the wait you about the slender in this corner?

I was about we about to fight?

Yeah?

Because I love that? What what was y'all James?

Everything?

Yeah? Was my.

Number one to use the bathroom? I was drafted. I was drafted. Girly had a mustache. If donut come on, brod, I was, I was, I don't know, I was all that glitter can Yeah, I could dig it.

I feel it though.

That's my favorite record of yours. Really, it's wow.

I had a conversation with somebody and they were asking me about all of the albums, and what I told him is every last one of our albums signifies a time period for me. So you know, you got you.

You know, Girls Ain't nothing but Trouble. It's new.

You don't know.

You know.

I always tell everybody you have your whole life to make your first album. You only have from the town from your first album and your second album to make your second album. And but you know, we we did Girls Ain't Nothing but Trouble for the most part in my MoU's basement. We did. He's the DJ, I'm the rapper in London. So both of those rucords were done in solitude. So I came up with the idea of I want to do the third album at Compass Point in the Bahamas. Oh wow, Okay, So we went to

But I was being comfortable.

I was really trying to keep the cycle going of solitude because we were so big when we went into the studio to do that album that we needed to go somewhere off the mat.

What the problem is.

We were big and had a lot of money, and let's talk about the fact that the Bahamas held all of our equipment and customs for about ten days.

And we're down there on the beach with a casino.

So it was, you know, we had a house on the beach and we were flying people down and you know, and it just we were not in the right headspace. Like that's what I'm saying, Like I can listen to that album and I understand everything that you're saying because we were in you know, like it was we you know, Will would write for twenty minutes and be like, Yo, I'm not feeling I'm about to go to the casino.

Wow, you know.

And we we left after a month with about two and a half records done, so of course it was kind of like, oh, we're in trouble. So we ended up in k Jam in Philly and we finished it. But when you think about it, girl, you know, girls ain't nothing but trouble is kind of relatable. Parents just don't understand is relatable. I think I could beat Mike Tyson. Only a motherfucker that know, Mike Tyson who's making some money would say that we didn't even pay attention to it.

But but the thing is is that.

It's kind of ship talking, which is relatable because everyone says that motherfuck up.

But you know, in the video and all the rest of that now we was on because for me, I guess, like because I was a big Tyson fan and nobody thought that, like nobody really thought they could beat like you see.

Like you watched the video and I don't think you believed it either.

No, we didn't.

I mean I think that was why the song. I think that's why I think the rollout, the.

Rollout of that song kind of derailed and in this corner, which I still feel is a solid right, Yeah.

I think it's a wow. And I have a story about the song. I think I can beat Mike Tyson. I believe it's fifth grade music class. Fifth grade music class. The assignment is everybody has to lip sync a song for the class. So I choose me and my friends we chose. I think I can beat Mike Tyson and the teachers. You know these films everybody's lip sync routines, and we're watching them while we're doing ours, and he's

So we got in.

Trouble for that. Make out so much for.

PG.

Yes, yeah, I think, yeah, I have yeah, my I think one of my ends. So this was third grade for me.

We had or fourth grade we had to recite like a poem or something or some ship, and I think I rapped Will's verse from time to chip.

Like that was.

That was my recital. I got a A on it on the assignment.

But I gotta tell you I normally frowned at any use of the jam as a break.

No more, Ono was the ship?

That was the ship? Why did you have something against the jam and the break? Because them it's like it's like the end thing, like anytime I heard it, I just think of VH one. So then you don't like Ashley's roach clip either. I really don't like that.

I respect it, but I never liked it and liked it ship boys.

I never like Ashley's click. It just reminds me of like.

And even if we're really gonna talk about it, that album was slapping.

That was.

While we're on the subjects for a second. I listened to that million album a couple of weeks ago, and people were only pissed off because the dudes on the cover didn't sing. The weren't the ones that were singing the record. It was a good record, so the quality of the songs didn't matter to nobody. No, And I think to the tragedy with them was that they were too ahead of their time. It wouldn't it wouldn't.

Matter at all. That's that's going back to while everybody was pissed off about the Brandy mc cover m it wasn't up the e listen put out now and we'd be good, y'all were.

I get it, settle, please settle along, you know, debate whatever, who summertime.

Will it will listen. Let me tell you it's funny. Hold on, let me tell you what's funny for me to be there and to hear all of the like, understand that. The first time that I had experienced this was when we were on Fresh Prints and I started getting the Will stop the show so he can go car shopping. And I remember coming in mad, like, Yo, that shit never happened?

How did it just go? Sit?

And Will just started laughing like, yo, that's what they do, like they just blatantly lied. I was you know, I'm kind of like, you can't blatantly lie. So understand, Will wrote Summertime. Summertime was made for Will. You know what? It wasn't any.

Who told us that the music was made for Rocky Him. I've heard it. I've heard that came from somebody that didn't want to pulling fingers someone.

Was it search that?

All I'm saying is like, I was there.

You know what I mean.

I'm like, so, no, it wasn't. It wasn't for rock Him. It wasn't written for rock Him.

That song was birthed from Will being in in l A for the first year of the Fresh Prince, and of course the season's changed and it's not the same out there as it is in Philly. In Philly, first day today outside, everybody's outside cars blasting cars clean, the driving down the street.

South Street is popping right now. That's that's what we all had.

Anybody who has a four season climate know when spring comes, everybody comes out. The girl gained a couple of pounds and she looks great. She was skinny last year. And Will called and was just like, yo, what's up. I was like, yo, seventy five degrees out, just got mccar claim went to the plaque suns.

We just having just Philly dialogue. And that was reminiscent to that.

You know, that was something to him that that's what he wrote about, Like the whole versus Summertime is basically talking about the season changing from winner to to you know, wait, we're forgetting something, we're forgetting in a very important fact, if it were not for I think I could beat Mike Tyson, Will and Jeff wouldn't have performed that on the Arsenial Hall Show then, and Quincy Jones would have never seen that performance.

So technically so that the show that song saved the first.

Changed it was. It wasn't totally that they paid attention to parents because they've been watching. Oh yeah, they paid attention to parents, like from from parents on down. They were like, he can he can act. They kept except for the opening credits, you know, so you know, Quincy was just kind of like, that's something for you. I remember my mom being upset that they didn't use the mom from the video who was on what the pin and this was extras? I don't know, you know, yeah,

Were you always a part of that equation? They figured out the show stuff, just asked like he not the When did they realized? They was like, this, motherfucker right here we missing out.

No listen.

They Will did the pilot and then when they first started doing the episodes, they were just like, you know, because you and him had chemistry in the video, you should come and do the show. And I was like, nah, what I meant? First of all, I didn't. That wasn't what I wanted to do. It was also weird because when when Will went out and did the audition and came back and he was like, yo, I got a TV show. Understand. I'm thinking this is a dude holding

I was like, you saw that, you saw that. I was I had to being.

Nothing.

It was I love like I watched that so many times. Man, you talked before me and you've had conversation. You was talking about how the difference between music money and TV money and how TV takes so much better.

Care of you. Listen. We you know, it was funny because you know, back in the day, you had a Nike connect and the Nike was saying, Nike was sending you some sneakers. They send you, you know, some Airmax or something. And then we get on TV and they are bringing boxes and boxes of stuff in, you know, so we was getting music stuff and TV stuff. The TV stuff was just ridiculous. They would have you go to the warehouse and you would just bring it. They would just you know, your car was full of stuff,

So outside of the money though, Jeff, when was the moment that you knew I kind of liked this shit TV? Yeah, the TV show whatever. At some point.

I didn't you know what was cool? Well, first of all, you're doing a TV show and you're used to being on stage with twenty five thousand people. It's one hundred people there. So it was no, there was not an ounce of nerves, nerves at all because it's one hundred people, you know, and you don't but because your brain is not thinking of how many people are actually going to see that. And it was really different because it really

Really all right, so you know the you've seen the jay Z video for That's right, all right, So basically I.

Don't want to.

For it.

So basically I heard about it, all right.

I thought the one that he did for yeah, I saw that, so basically, uh, I don't.

It was Brendon Tartakoff, still president of NBC at the time when you guys were doing Fresh Princes. Yeah, okay, so uh he had a chance to also get Living Single, and he he said one of his regrets was letting his his staff or his uh yeah, his staff or his uh uh coworkers talk him out of getting Living Single.

Wow.

Yeah, but based on the fact that they already had the Black the Black Comedy Show on NBC, so we don't need a second one.

So that's crazy. We have to wait ten years for a black person on there. Gabrielle Union and I was Tyler that you watched Friends.

I might have.

I didn't watch. I didn't watch it. I did not have the wait. But y'all watched Sex in the City. Though I didn't watch, I watched it watch. I just know that jesus Se City had sucking in it, soformatives.

You know, didn't want people. It was one episode.

Show.

So with the with the meteoric rise of the Fresh Prince of bel Air and instead of this being a side gig to Jazzy Jeff for the Fresh Prince, how how are you now figuring out what your life is about to be? As far as oh, I was terrified, really well, I mean so that David Spade joke upset you, but joke never mind.

I want to know.

You remember the Hollywood minute where on Saturday Live they let him they'd let him just go wrote like Eddie Murphy. Uh, actually Eddie Charles would go back on life because of something that. But Charles Murphy came to.

The Rock with David s Bates ass and David like his like actually stayed away from like.

Like that's why he won't come back to any of the reunion specials to eight.

He came back finally for the the fortieth celebration. Yeah, but he wouldn't do Bill Cosby jokes. But he came back at least. But you know, it's like Spade just going rogue for three minutes, and I guess the punchline was uh no no, no, no no, and Jazz you Jeff wants to know, are you going.

To eat that? Oh wow, you got that joke instantly? Why would you get that joke? I think it's funny? So okay, at that.

Time, you didn't, I mean, did you think that this is the end of the career and that we're just what I mean, you know what we You know, you got to understand that. Well, when you think about it, The Fresh Prince came out when we had summertime out, so we were actually on the biggest high we've ever been on.

Show, the same album as Bee.

Yeah, oh yeah, it was that was home but it's but you got to understand that it was you're also you know, paying attention to the trajectory of other rap people, and it's kind of like, okay, we had not gotten to the that we had any legacy artists, so it was kind of like, okay, I don't know if this shit is like three albums, four albums and then we're

So but they're giving you more storyline. Now you're getting.

Man kill off.

Ain't from the Cosby showy.

Or from the from be.

Limp Malcolm Jamal Warner for over a decade.

I like her?

Wait really that was he was engaged to.

What's your name?

Justine?

Yeah, that was the way after they Michelle Thomas.

That's Michelle Thomas said Williams. Sorry.

So like, how when y'all got to the to the last album on job, the co Red album, how did that? I mean because you would think that, Okay, we're on the TV show shows still popping like man, listen, So.

We got to when we when when we did the promo tour for the the album after Home matter of fact, when we did the promo tour for Home Base, you know, we you know how you go into different regions, you know, the promotion got there and we got cool with a couple of them, and it was wild because I remember him saying to Will and I he said, ever since and in this corner, Jive has been betting against you.

Guys.

He's like, they don't they don't believe in you. He was like, you did you have the biggest record of your career and they think it's a flute.

Wow.

So they're they're really not, you know, believing in you, you know, and so you started to kind of feel that that it's kind of like, yeah, it was just you know because because you know, around that time was when they started messing with new kids on the block.

But they you know, they were kind of like, nah.

So when we you know, we got to the last album, in my brain, I was kind of like, Okay, what other hip hop act do you know that has reached the last album? So I'm you know, so now now my business brain is going in. It's like, okay, you don't cross coladalize every album that we had. When you get to the point that you have nothing to cross it to, you gotta pay me all that back money.

You can't really say that for a bunch.

We had a lot of success, but Will wants to go and really get deep into his movies. Jeff really wants to go and get deep in his production. Quietly, Will and I were looking to sign a really really big record deal with somebody else, and you know, they were like, hey, no one has ever come to us and said this. You know, we're gonna down and we're gonna think about it. And we were like okay, And two weeks later we got hit with a lawsuit.

I lost from job.

Oh yeah, oh listen. Jobs sued us because they said our extra curricular activities are interfering with us making.

Music, and I'm like, wait a minute, didn't understand.

I don't think it was Barry, like this goes beyond the president and the vice president and you know, but it's you know, it's just it really got to a point that I was kind of like, that was the wow. So this is my this is my retirement party. And I don't get a go watch. I don't get a party, I don't get a cake. I get a lawsuit.

You know what I mean?

Ten years, you know, me and Will probably collectively with albums and singles, sold ten million records for Jobs and we got a lawsuit. Like that's that's how we went out, Like and I said this, people don't understand. Will and I have zero ownership of any of the records. We did nothing. So everybody, oh my god, you know you guys, Summertimes is the anthem every time they play that shit. We get zero because we had to do that in the settlement with Job. Now, what I will say my

And listen.

It was no, we didn't do it. No, it wasn't like that in sudden sense, you know, and everybody calmed down and elevated doors opened and listen. I jumped on Will's back because that if there was ever a redemption to think that you did. You know, you you thought like, okay, it's over, it's over and done with, you know, and it was kind of like, okay.

Cool, wow, wow, Wow, we got.

A little home movie called Men in Black. You took residency of the studio four.

Well, you always had residency there because when I was interning that Rose Records, you always had your studio there. So talk about developing the second phase of the Sound of Philadelphia, uh with Dre and Videll with CARV.

I mean it's you know, it was always my passion for production, and I basically took all my money and bought equipment, you know. So I always had a room, you know, I always had a studio and it and it was just really the desire to have to have or find like minded people that wanted to make records. Understand. I remember when when I when I got the studio

I did wonder about that. I just figured there was, you know, George. They would not have accepted that I mixed that album.

We weren't there yet. We weren't there yet. First of all, you got a hip hop guy that is responsible for this kind of music. Like I was smart enough to know, don't put your name on like like, I know people who and this is this is sidetrack. I know DJs that have mixers out that their name is on the mixer, and I'm like this, you know how hip hop is I'm sorry, it could be the this mix in the world.

So all that, so all that ship, so all those guys, because I mean at the time when we first when I first really met you, was around that time. It was like oh two three when the listening it kind of just came out and everybody was telling us like, yo, man, Jazzy Jeff, I got to copy your album from Jeff.

And I was like, he knows who we are, Like I didn't think you had no clue who tou we. I never stopped scouring for music, and I know Scott listening for people. You know, that was the whole thing, like it's it was a love before it was a job. So you just you know, it's kind of like you know you you it's when you hear something and it resonates, you want to pass it on. And that was that was another thing like with with with Jill when we

I gave it to everybody.

But it was crazy because it actually ended up in the Sony office that the Sony executives thought it was something that they signed.

Because everybody was playing it in the office. But that's how it got.

It got to Jimmy Jame and Terry Lewis and they flew us out there because they wanted to sign it. And it's made it made its way to choose, well, you know, I didn't choose Michael Jordan. I choose Steve mckeev. At the time, it was like, Michael Jordan, let me, okay, so I'm gonna tell you half of this because I know I know you would understand the other half. I chose Hidden Beach because I knew they were going to let us do the album with no interference. Because I

And it was it was you know, so, wait, where was you got me in this equation? I'm just in the.

Slightly around the corner. Wait, do you remember driving the yellow Pathfinder? I remember driving so all right, Remember I told you all the heavy D is going to kill me.

Let me tell I told you all the heavy D is going to kill me?

Story?

Well, the original one the boys right was a mirror's first drive by. I was walking down like late at night on Chestnut Street in Philadelphia and this yellow Pathfinder drives by me and then stops and then like gray poopon style, comes backwards and rolls down the window and I was seeking sitting on myself. I was like, uh, this is where I die, Someone's gonna kill me in a yellow pathfinder.

And somebody killing you in a yellow pathline and a.

Banana yellow path find And it was Jazzy Jeff like what he's saying, Yo, you're in the roots right from Jazzy Jeff. Oh Jeff, I love you man, And then he sped off, and that was how I met him. But then I started working at Studio four and.

You know, so then into jail and you got me. How did that timeline work?

I first saw Jill there was a poetry slam fifty second in Baltimore, fifty fourth in Baltimore, like Deep West Philly.

She was doing the sexy poems.

Yo. That was recently. Yeah, no, I'm telling y'all, Jill was always poet poets and even the dudes. She It's something about Jill's voice similar to that of when Deanna Williams talking. It's like you will do anything, and it was just unexpected because everyone else was coming from you know, backstage. Okay, and up next we have a.

Young brother from No no, no, no, no, no, give it up for Richmond, and ladies and gentlemen come on, do his poetry and leave Jill Scott decided to sit in the audience and so we had no clue. He said, up next, we got a sister from North Philadelphia, give.

It up for Jill Scott.

Lady Joe and no One came on stage and then this woman starts singing joonases freaking you.

A cappella from the audience.

She just marches right to the stage, and I was like, who is this woman? I put two and two together. I met Jill during the do You Want More? Era?

Apparently her ex boyfriend not the old word, her ex boyfriend, not ex husband, not ex husband, was cheating on her with a girl that lived next door to me on South Street. Well, I don't know whatever, but the first word she said was I'm gonna cut that motherfucker's dick off.

So that's how Jill Scott into my mind.

So then I put two and two together that, oh, that's I'm gonna cut that motherfucker's dick.

Also the Glamorous Life girl. Can y'all just is that a rumor?

I am Cool's Glamorous Life video.

I don't know.

I never heard that heard it wasn't I heard it wasn't.

Wasn't that you told me one time, Jeff that Jill initially when she came out, she didn't really want to sing.

She really wanted to just do poetry. She was heavy on.

Yeah, Like Jill did not want background vocals on her songs. Wow, you know, so we had to kind of convince her a lot of that. Like the funny thing is, I remember when we did is Getting in a way. She did not want to put background vocals on that, and Drey's mom was in the studio and Drey's mom actually sang backgrounds with her on that because Drey's mom was like, girl, if you don't get your button that booth. So that's Jill Andre's mom.

Man, that was an official first single, right, No, you know what's funny.

The first single was long Walk, Long Walk, you know what I said.

I remember being at the radio station and being like that, you don't need to hear get.

Through everybody off because their first single was a poem.

Yeah, but that was the Streets. Wasn't ready for that?

I remember being long Walk.

It was no, it was the black stations. We need to do once was she gonna put the basoline on her face? And I remember selling that at the radio station. Like but then she gonna put it. Come on, everybody want to Philly Sorry? Fighting over soul records, the journeys were still fight.

How did? How did?

What was the difference between like say, the jail record and then the fluordry situation.

Like success Like when I tell you that, like I said, it mirrors. You know, we we did Jill in music pretty much simultaneous. So for both of them to come out, we were on cloud nine. You know, they were just sending people down. It was it was weird because you know, they would send people down with instructions like they we want a jail record, and it's kind of like, well, we can't give you a jail record because we gave it to her. We can give you whoever you're sending record.

Please let Music inside of this photo you guys are doing because he's part at the time.

Did I know music?

No, I didn't know music. I had no clue. And child, yeah music soul, child, it just sounds Did I know music?

I didn't know music.

I believe that.

Just to to force the will on us, no pun uh.

They had Music and his people waiting downstairs in a car service to see if there was like a change of heart, and it was always like like, it's very unfortunate that That's how I was reminded, and I totally forget about the times where he came to the jam sessions and all that stuff, you like deliver pizzas or something, Yeah, exactly.

And so because there was Balao too, so well yeah.

It was like it was like literally like who who And the Vibe people were like, yeah, can we le or Cohen wants to add him in the photo as well?

Can you shoot me?

Just like yo, we know each other, like I don't know who music soul child. I had no clue who he was at the times.

So it it just it started what could have been potentially an even worse taste once I did two and two and like oh the guy from filling oh he used to come. And then it was like cool whatever. But at the time I remember that music almost was in that photo. Almost in that photo.

That was the house that Carvon and I even built.

Yeah.

Yeah, so so break down like the cruise when we talk about such a jazz it was Carving, was Dollinger and then so it was Pat.

Shout, you know it was it was it was multiple you know, you had keV Brown Odyssey, you had peace, you know, peace move of Pat. Pat McClain James introduced me to Pat McLain.

Okay, and he because I remember I think you told me, or maybe it was keV told me the on the on your album Africa Porter Prince.

Yeah, that was a two track. That was everything Pam did. Everything he did was a two track. I love that shot.

Pat was let me choose my words, eccentric. He was very eccentric, Like Pat would make the most beautiful song you ever heard, and he would say, you know what, the universe doesn't want this to come out, and they would cut his keyboard off and we would be in the room like like but see, you know he was also the guy that he would he would he would do a record and make some money and you would give him like three thousand dollars and Pat would leave

And what's that music? Soul child?

Because he was homeless to listen.

So, but what with all thems that were there, like where there like Paulie, Baby Black?

Where where?

What's going on with those guys? Now?

No?

Wow? I mean, you know, Paul Paul. When I started going back out on the road, I took Paul. I took Paul when The Magnificent came out, because you know, I wanted that to be kind of a launching pad for Paul. And then you know, Baby Black chef chef, you know, just you know what's crazy is when I started going out on the road. I started going out

So it really took that first tour.

And I came home and you know, and everybody's asking when is the check coming, because everybody's waiting for a check at the record company, and you know, you got to wait until everybody delivered the signs and all the rest of this, and you know, the.

Agent call was like, Yo, they loved it. They want you to come back.

I went back, and the second time I lied to everybody and was like, I'm coming home a week later. So now I'm coming home with about forty thousand dollars to do all of my shopping and get all of the shit that I want. And no one knows I'm home, so the phone's not ringing, nobody's complaining. And then the third time when they called, I was like, you know what,

It wasn't even the fact that I was.

It was really kind of like, you know, I felt like there was a certain point in time that Jill was looking like, how come you don't take me on trips? And I'm sitting like, because I'm waiting for the motherfucking money that the dude that took you on this trip to send me, you know, not understanding the record company regime.

That is kind of like you're the good guy and I'm the bad guy.

So you know, it was you became Dana in a way, not Dana the person, but I just mean, it's interesting, how yeah.

And I was like, nah, no, I'm not doing that, so I tapped out. I was like, I don't I don't want to do that. I realized that, and and and also my second tour was a tour in Asia, and I went to Bangkok and why are you laughing? It's not what you think, So listen. I went to Bangkok and there's a mall in Bangkok that my man took me to, and everything in the mall was illegal everything.

I saw it come in and you know, and how did.

Your soldiers feel about that though? Cause did you give him? How does that work?

Well, I ain't get nobody don't know this. Listen.

Listen.

First, let me tell you something.

If you tell everybody in the hood you moving, oh, you ain't gonna have no furniture, They're gonna steal all your shit. So trust me, I had a whole covert thing I had a guy that took all of my equipment and put it in storage. He came down and scouted out the studio, and you know, it was like, listen out, this is what I'm gonna take. I don't care about this. And you know, I knew the studio hours. I knew everybody staying until about four thirty five o'clock

Yeah, oh my god. Yeah, oh yeah.

Interesting. So you know what's crazy, Everybody listen, this is the funny thing. The only person that I kept was I Rise, So I Rise knew all this COVID shit. She knew what I was.

Listen, you know, she knew.

And it was and it was crazy because everybody thought, like this is this is this is this will tell you something about the ego I needed. Everybody to think I was doing bad. And this was at a time that I just once I discovered that whole DJ thing, So I understand. I was in the DJ atmosphere before the DJ bubble hit. So I'm sitting here like, yo, I ain't never made this much money ever, and no one would expect that. And it was kind of like yo. So me closing the studio and moving, it was like, yo,

And you had to eat that. Like I was cool with eating that. I was cool with listen. I remember. I remember the first time.

It might have been about seven eight months after I moved. I remember it was a fight coming on and I invited James down to my crib for the fights. James poison James and I stood in the door because when James pulled up to my house, James sat there and I know he was kind of like, I know this nigga only here, like get out of here. And I opened the door and my dog ran out, so he's kind of like this nigga got a dog, Like what is this?

I had the paved ways and the lighting.

And I was like hey, and James was like what and then I ended up breaking it down, you know, because you ended up you sold so your old crib crib you sold it to his mom.

Yes, I did list so wait, I'm literally wait. I put it up for sale and the person backed out.

The person backed out the Wednesday before Thanksgiving, and I think I text our mayor because our mayor said something to me. He was just kind of like, yo, damn, why didn't you tell me you were selling the crib? And I was like, oh, man, I didn't know. You know, I didn't know that. You know. I wasn't just gonna randomly pick up quest Love and be like, hey, I'm

It is like we want it.

Listen. That was it.

That was a that was a done disp We just furnished.

We just read did the entire crib like you still got the deep front. We had to take all that.

It's a brand new it's a two was at the nineteen house now, Miss Jackie.

Dad that's the first time I met you. You don't even know that. I was driving in that apartment with Deanna and she saw you as you was coming out. We was coming in, and she said, it's Jersey Jeff.

I said, Jeff, please tell us how you organized all right? First of all, yeah, it you moved to Delaware and we were all like why. But then you also like lured a lot of people to Delaware.

I didn't know.

For a minute, right he was there.

I forgot even down there.

But I meant, like James and Tuba, and like, I now see the allure of living in Delaware. However, can you explain what the playlist retreat is? It's it's almost like a secret that no one knows about or really understand what the magnitude this is.

It's salty and jealous, even though they still know they shouldn't be there.

You are literally like your playlist retreat is.

It is the Illuminadi. It's the illuminadi of.

Producers and musicians. And having gone there and seen.

It myself, you had the first one. I was at the first one.

One. I came late to the last one and had about four tacos, did and didn't realize that all the tacos were laced with.

Scooching.

I thought I was going to die. Y'all got math photos of me sleep on your couch.

I was just like, yeah, I think my first time it was before it was before you ifically doing the playlist. But the first time I came to your crib, me and pool we did a little brother song and that, honestly, man like I never told you dude, that really changed my life. It totally made me rethink what it what success quote unquote look like. Because we got there and the first thing he did, Jeff cooked some chicken.

I always do that.

He made some chicken, and then we was like, all right, we're gonna you know.

Kind of salty. We're doing this now here because I thought like we just go bro.

Was can we do the next one? I'm sure it's gonna be a party.

Three listen, y'all can the tree?

Hey, you know you only got five women there at one time, serious women.

We excluse diversity.

I'm I'm making I'm auditing because I was like, is this some female music? Make us up? And now the localists be there?

Yeah, but no, it was like you cooked chicken and then we went downstairs and you told me how like you got the Mexicans from home depot the studio. And then he was like, yo, I'm like all right, so we're going to see He was like, oh, I got these rooms and I just remember like sleeping at night. And I was like, yo, Jeff got a hip hop bed and breakfast, like you really like this is a

So now when they come to your studio, fante like they come spend the night, like when you said.

Yeah, like well, when Madison came down, her and her, her and Ned, they stayed in the hotel right right around the corner. But you know, while we were in there, Ned was like, I'm gonna go lay down.

He can go right in the next room.

And it just it really just was a big inspiration for me to like so to the point where I quote unquote was in a booth not too long ago, in a session, and that shit felt totally like what is like that felts antiquated, like because we just did all that stuff right in the room together, you know what I mean?

Yeah, Like you know, it's it's funny.

I do a lot of work with Red Bull three Style, which is a global DJ competition, and maybe like the third or fourth year that we did it, they you know, each night they would have as special guest DJ, so you would se z trip, you see a track, you see crazy, you see all these guys. The third year, they decided to bring all of the DJs in and keep them there for the entire week. So this is what I realized. This is the first time that I have ever spent a week with one of my peers.

You so.

But it was funny because the the level of preparation that was put into that birthday part. Like understand they I did a show for the NBA for their London game that I was accidentally put on the late flight.

Like everything about this ship.

I was mad, Like I'm getting mad right now because you know, I considered myself kind of a savvy person and I had no clue. Like my wife. To this day, I still think I knew. I had no clue that they sent me on a show out of the country and put me on the second flight because all of my friends from overseas were on the first flight. Wow, Oh they mapped it, so I, you know, we came back, I landed, wife picked me up in the airport. You know,

So we drive.

The whole crew leaves. We drive to a hotel and take a shower, change my clothes, she got my suit, she got everything. I'm kind of like, okay, this is cool. And we get in the car and she starts driving and we get on ninety five. So I was like, okay, I guess we're not going to dinner in Philly. So we driving and getting in a good conversation. We get off at my exit, so I'm like, okay, maybe we're going somewhere in Delaware, and she wants to kind of

Was like, oh fuck, you got me and I closed my eyes. We drove down the driveway so I can feel.

Instead of going to the back, she goes around the circle and she said, okay, you can open your eyes. And when I opened my eyes, it was two black dudes with parking attendant jackets and heat lamps.

And I was like what the old man, man man?

And it was so thought out and elaborate the way that my brain works that instead of saying, oh my god, this is great, I was like, we can pull this shit together. So the next day and the president's Serato was there. So the next day I was like, listen, I want to do a DJ retreat and such and such, and the president of the Serata was like, hey, you know, we'll be one of the sponsors. And we pulled out a yellow pad and we start writing the idea down. During that time, I was, you know, same thing me

What the fuck is you know?

And you kind of get known for playing stuff that's really dope that no one knows. So and picking the DJs for the retreat, I was kind of like, well, why don't I invite them? What the fuck gods too? You know, like, because now what we can do Questlove DJs, Stro makes music. Wouldn't it be great if Stro made the music, give it straight to Questlove and chrest Love is the music messenger. And and that's how it started.

You know.

I started feeling some kind of way is as much as I love my role as a producer, I started getting mad because it became extremely selfish. Nobody like, everybody got laptop, everybody's making their own beats. You know, the reason why I touched the Jazz was special, and the reason why the Roots Studio was special is because it was a hub where everybody kind of came and did music out. Everybody's hub is their computer and you can

No, you know, I am a purist and I play for purists.

What what happens is you get on this stage and it's me and one other guy using turntables.

So now they don't care.

They don't even put the cinder blocks under the table now they you know, And they got subs on the stage, and I'm listening to the dude before me sound amazing, and I'm telling the guy take all the base out. So now now I don't sound as good as he does, you know. So it starts to get to a point that you know, Okay, So I'm I'm the I'm the last Mohican. And it's not even that I switched. I still chose something that enables me to do everything that I do.

So right now you're using needle arm I'm sorry, armless turntables right now do you feel?

Now?

See? Oh you're on some next oh yeah, wait, so are you in the visa right now?

DJing? And you give me this interview? But what I will say, like, I leave Wednesday for a month long tour. My first show is Friday. Just check Instagram Saturday.

Okay, are you?

I can't imagine what's more mind blowing than DJing without a needle?

Check Instagram Friday. He's gonna be DJing with his mind now.

But I'm wrong? What I'm wrong when I say you did introduce to ratto to the at least to this market, because I feel like I remember when DJ's was like piss.

Have a career if it wasn't, I was one of the early Serado guys. Yeah, I remember the first CDJ Jeff got me on.

Jeff was how I found out about Final Scratch, which was predated to Soerado. Yeah, so well, actually, no, Ritchie Harden was how I found out about Final Scratching. Then I found out you used it and that kind of made it official. So are they with scratching now?

Have they?

Do?

They have it?

So you can pretty much scratch streams now? Yeah you can do that. Yeah, you just made uh what do you call title?

Yeah? Titles?

Have you tried that yet.

Yeah. The only issue with that, which is smart because of course, you know, my brain is always trying to go into finding the workaround. You have to have internet.

Yeah, that's why I don't like it.

You have to have good internet. You have to have internet because because because I downloaded something, I downloaded something and it worked perfect, and then I cut my internet off and when I went to go load the track, and it was like, you need to sign on the internet for this, because think about it. You can record in Serrado, so you could basically stream that song and record it and not just that even if you have internet.

So they found workarounds. So I was like, I'm cool, I'll just get the record. Do you think that, I would say, yeah, So do you think that'll replace the MP three?

Do you think that?

No? No?

No, I mean listen, let me. You got to keep in mind that vinyl sales are at an all time high. But you know, is that because they're just charging like forty bucks for a single. Yes, well, now you know, it's just it's a new generation that, you know, when you really sit and think about it, there's a new generation that missed what vinyl gave you. Vinyl gave you a cover, Vinyl gave you credits, Vinyl gave you something to look at that not only could you listen, and

I've kind of stopped buying records and I've started buying CDs again, really really, and I'll tell you why, because I mean, I have I have accounts with multiple streaming services, and it only takes you know when to be like, yeah, it's it's like, take get rid of my favorite song off the stream service, and it's no longer there, so fuck it. I might as well just have the CD and my arsenal so I can rip that motherfucker into my iPhone whenever the fuck.

I want to and taget how I want it.

Yeah, now I'm with you. I still got all my CDs.

I still haven't got rid of them, because you just never know, never like they just like I went on Spotify Monday and ThunderCats whole ship was going.

It was like, what the fuck?

Yeah, I mean it's back now, but it was just gone.

I was like, I mean, I mean it's it's it's I supplement with my own personal streaming server. Now, all right, so you won't reveal let us know, but you know what it is. I think I want you to see it. Okay, don't don't want you don't because because I because I

So another freaking tell us about the upcoming uh plate.

Well, the play this project, the first one God, and that was in a week a week in a week, which I know I've done that before and I'll never do that again.

Well, you know what it is, the trying to record it and release it in a week is hard. Recording it in a week piece of kate pec k and especially when you kind of get a routine and a method down like we we got.

We got the method we you know we got.

Don't ever stop.

Part of releasing it now, because I mean all you got to do is just upload it. Well, no, you know what it was is we had to mix it.

We had to mix it, and so it's kind of like we recorded and it was basically we with the first when we finished, Glenn cut his last Folk for about six pm Friday, and we needed to be done by midnight on Sunday. So vd Al and I basically stayed up for seventy two straight hours and not only mixed it, but there was a guy sitting in the mastering lab that as we mixed it, we had to send it to him and then he had to send it back and we had to prove it. So it was kind of like when we got there, I was

I'm happy with that. Listen. I get to see the sun set and rise.

That's how you stay looking twelve listen, Hello, listen.

I can't do that, so I can do with Mamuna.

Is that already on the services?

No?

No, well no, will it be in June. It'll be. It'll be released in June. Okay, so it'll be released in June. But let me just say this for anybody that has been looking yep for anything. And I don't even like making comparisons ago. Yeah.

Oh, listen, when I tell you.

You have never in your human life heard someone sing and rap like her, It's always been there, it's all but yo, when I tell you when you hear them, yeah, like she went there.

Oh man, she went.

There, she went there. Yes, she went there. It's time. Yeah, time, brother, Jeff, thank you, Mom. We finally closed a chapter. Or no, we got to close it. We have to close it. At the retreat this year.

I was about to say, you got we got that on tape.

Listen, Well, this is this is the fifth year this is the fifth year.

I never in a million years that we would get to year five because you have no idea what it takes to throw something like this, Like it is emotionally, physically and mentally draining, but it is worth all of it, you know, Like.

Stro wouldn't be on in the roots if it wasn't for the retreat, you know.

Indeed, you know we we we never posted it, but we put up almost like a chart of people and the connections that they made and records that they made, and it's absolutely ridiculous.

One of my records, the particular old of me and Errol waiting for your record stroll and Paris and Rich.

Yeah, that one that was a retreat record.

And this is June, right because I'm about to start looking at August. It's in August. August, let the record show.

August. I mean, I'm like, should I say this out when?

When it is? Because it's early August, because you just got to understand, it's just you know, August Man. Shout out to Monta montez Is at the retreat every year. So first World Fight Club anyway, Jeff, we thank you very much. Shout out to Corey Towns like I get that shot, my dude, I text so disrespectful.

I text her so that we me and Corey like slander, all kind of ship.

It's so great.

Too, because she brought us jail.

I'm gonna go there.

You go all right on behalf of the Bills and Corey and Sugar Steve and Fan Ticolo and Lady like Jazzy Jeff.

Thank you very much, Yes, sir.

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