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Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic episode was produced by the team at Pandora. Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to QLs Classic Episode ninety seven with DJ Jazzy Jeff August twenty eighteen. What can I say, Jazzy Jeff is simply the best, most creative DJ of all time. There is no DJ today worth their grain of salt that doesn't worship from the altar of Jeff Towns.
And you know you know, so, without.
Further ado, I present you the goat of all DJs, straight out of Philadelphia, DJ Jazzy Jeff.
Here we go.
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Oh man, yo, I have to say that of I mean, we're not one hundred episodes yet, but we're at least at eighty something eighty something. Yeah, that is probably the quickest sneaking of the feat. I mean, I've had well renowned mcs just like.
Dum you you might, I think your body should.
I wrote that for him.
I wrote that. That's my ghost racking right there.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another anemic episode of Quest Left Supreme, only on Pandora.
Uh, I'm still here with what's left of Team Supreme.
Damn.
You know when you gets hot outside, niggas start disappearing.
Well, su Steve's still here, even though you know your your your network star.
Now, Wes, I have every excuse to call him sick, you know, mentally ill, among other things.
Yeah, I see, well, thank you for still sticking.
I never missed a shot.
I assume that Fante is still working on his uh uh his basement counter Yeah, his countertops is week number five working on his miswork to work on your house, hey man, bathroom.
Tiles are important, you know, it's extremely important.
Mean, while both Bills have medical conditions, So.
There you go.
I thought Bill's not at Assessame Street right now.
No, Bill's getting his wisdom teeth out.
Okay, I guess I can excuse that. All right, shout out to Boss Bill, who has a headache right now. So wait, I don't know because if something happens in the future, I don't want this to sound bite to be play.
He has a severe headache right now.
Yes, shout out to Boss Bill, and is a many headaches, so I just want to make sure that I'm not the source of the headache. So all right, less stressed in your life, Bill, I promise to be better, but you got admit I am improving since the beginning of of course.
Love you have.
But then you stop sugar and you back, so you.
Know, oh okay, Yeah, Layah is claiming that I'm evil because I'm day fifty one without sugar.
So I'm still here for it.
Thank you, Steve. Is that possible if you want to live it? Is? I'm just saying that.
You know, twenty twenty three, twenty four to twenty five, your concern was like getting shot at the club.
Yeah, the new getting shot at the club is that is getting the stroke. Yeah, like I don't want.
To be I mean, you still got your boyhood figure, jeff So how you do it?
Listen?
I do one hundred and sixty dates a year and walk like nineteen miles through the airport.
Wait.
I was gonna say, wait a minute, time out. Uh, we're doing this ass backwards, ladies and gentlemen. I forgot to introduce our actual guest of the show.
Ladies and gentlemen. It could be Jeffrey Osborne if we already he was.
He was our last guests not bad yo. Did you know he played drums with Smokey Robinson. No, you know, we forgot to ask Jeffrey Osborne.
And we do this often.
We often rabbit hole ourselves and introduce like a half hour down the line. I forgot to even talk about Whitney Houston's didn't we almost have it all?
He wrote that?
Oh shit?
Oh wow, yes he wrote that for it anyway, Uh lazy Okay. Introducing Joff. Uh yeah, if if God were DJ, he'd be named Jeffrey Towns. Uh and wow, that's all I have to say. It's gonna be the shortest intro ever.
Uh.
We have God himself of turntables Philly, his own DJ Jazz Jeff the legendary DJ Jazzy Jeff on Quest left Supreme.
I would also hate that.
It would also uh uh be remiss if I didn't also mention that, uh, you're here with a very special guest. Yes, another guy in his right Grammy and Oscar Oscar Winner that was sermon now was paid Bill was here?
We have somebody that yeah his O but his get.
Well yeah, because you know, well, I think what paid Bill is a.
Right one of our co hosts. He has a Grammy, Emmy and a Tony, but he missing.
He's missing.
Oh so if he was chilling with uh paid Bill right now, we'd have a ghetto not an ron festers here, Lady John.
The world uh. And also I should mention your.
New project M three yes, uh in well right now digitally available, but when will it be in store?
Will it be the stores? It's hard, hard U No hard copies are coming. Listen, I'm doing this all independence. I have to come a little bit later. They're they're on the way.
Okay. Good, that's good dimension, that's good dimension. Yeah.
So you you were saying that you keep in shape because you just run across airports NonStop. See, but that's the thing, my Achilles hill is being on the road because you know, for every coffee shop in every airport, hotel, food.
It is it is.
So how do you resist that?
And I know you live at home in Lynette's kitchen, yes, which you know, as far as I'm concerned, you guys catch your fish and all your seafood in the backyard of where you live.
So, like, how just just remain inactive. It's not even an exercise thing, you know. It's really when you got sixty pounds on your back because you try to take every gadget in the world and you're pulling a little portable studio on a pull bag and you're in London Heathrow and your gait is thirty five minutes away.
I know that.
Yeah, you know that feeling.
So it's a lot of walking. You know, you get mad when you first go out because you wind it and you're tired and you're mad. Your knee hurts. But by the time you come home, I would say, you're Oj Simpson. But you know what I mean, You know, I know what you mean.
Yo.
Wait have you ever.
Have you ever successfully to me, like to successfully navigate through Heathrow without them thoroughly checking my back Like Heathrow is one of the yeah, most anal retentive airports in the world. Yes, Like you can have a piece of like gum in your bag and if you don't take it out to let them know that, then they're they're taking your whole entire fiber part of that bag.
Or you just wait for your bag to go on that separate lane.
It's the worst.
Then that separate lane you realize that there's nineteen people in front of it, right, you're missing your flight.
So y'all travel too much?
That whole thing was like, no, it's.
For real, Like he Throw is one of the most anal retentive, I mean most of them quality rhymed about that even even on their first record, like the first time I ever had to have.
The check he throw.
Has there been between the two of y'all? Y'all been around the world like fifty thousand times. Has there been anywhere you haven't been yet?
I just went to Kenya? That was That was your worst time in Kenya? What was that?
Like?
That was probably top three experience of my life? Why listen? First of all, I was, you know, I don't change. I don't change the way I play anywhere in this world at all. Because let me, let me give you my reasoning. You don't go to Africa and play Afro beat.
That's the ship that they hear all the time. And that's the biggest mistake that I think a lot of DJs, because think about it when you get DJs that come to Philly and be like, oh, I'm about to play Crown Rulers and you kind of like, come on, dude, I came to see you play. I didn't come to hear you play how you think I want you to play. So I never changed the way that I play because people, you're a seasoning in the restaurant, you don't change the dish you.
Called me out.
I mean, listen, you know it's never too late though.
Right, Yeah, but because you know what it is.
It's kind of like imagine going to your favorite restaurant and they changed the menu every week. You upset, you like, I came for the fish. I want to fish in the corn bread. What what's the meat loaf?
Okay, but I'm going to ask you about the Kansas incident. That's always my worst nightmare.
Well, you know what it is.
Kansas was me walking into that didn't have anything to do with me playing. That had more to do with the wrong event in the wrong place, you know, Like you can't you know, because I had situations like that when you know DJ Am passed away. I did one of his memorials in Las Vegas, and I did it in a place that they didn't want you to play hip hop And I'm kind of like, how do you have me do a tribute to a hip hop DJ and not play hip hop? Like I'm kind of like, yo, so you're trying to do this ship.
My name only wait that's still going on, Like, well not now, but it was what was the name of can you name? What was the name of the club?
What's the situations.
Well, I don't want to start with the bad DJ gig verse. I wanted to start with the early god I did.
I was on tour with Sion and Sion was doing these parties all over and we went to Kansas City and played in the Power and Light District and it was funny because I got there. Z Trip went on before me and I came out and we started playing, like five thousand people outside we started playing and people are rocking, and you know, my sets are very eclectic, like I'm gona playing some hip hop, I'm gonna go here,
I'm gonna do this. You know, at the end of the night, you're gonna get a little bit of everything. And my road manager at the time came out and put a towel on my table and walked off. So I looked, and I'm looking at the tower that I already have, and I was just like, why did you bring a towel over? So he came out and brought a bottle of water, and I had water on the table,
so I knew something wasn't right. So he ended up coming over the third time and he leaned down and he said, listen, they're about to cut you off because they're saying that you're playing too much hip hop. And before they cut you you off, I wanted to let you know so that you can make the decision. I said, oh shit, tell Skills, we're out of here. So he went and leaned and told Skills, and Skills turned and looked at me and was like word, and it was
like yeah. So right in the middle of everybody rocking, I just said, so we were rocking. Oh listen, it's non stop, non stop, like I think I was playing Rihanna at that. So I hit the stop button and Skills said, hey, I'm sorry, Kansas City, but we just got word that they don't really want us playing hip hop in here, and they were about to cut Jeff off.
So before we let.
Them do that to us, we wanted to make the announcement to you that we apologized and we hope that we can come back and play for you soon. And
took everything off and I walked our stage. Everybody thought it was a part of the show, so they still for about two minutes, and when the road managers started coming out and breaking my equipment down, people went off wow, And I went downstairs in the dressing room skills standing outside, and they kicked skills out the venue because they were mad, like they were this is the behind the scenes thing that you weren't supposed to pull a curtain back. So
the hotel was across the street. I ended up walking across the street and had no idea how big this was. And I remember this is early Twitter. I posted Wow, right party, wrong place. I was like, this is the first time that I ever someone ever threatened to kick me off in twenty five years, and went and checked into the hotel. I called, you know, my manager at the time, and he was like, change your flight. You know,
we had like a nine o'clock flight. He's like, get on the six o'clock flight, he said, because I guarantee you they're going to be pressing everybody at the airport. So I changed my flight and we got on the
plane and flew at six o'clock and I landed. By the time I landed, Associated Press had called me like it hit everywhere, and I was just like, like, it got so bad that the owner of Power and Light was the owner of the land of forty forty cloud and it got so bad that he called Jay Z for Jay Z to call Will for Will to call me because he wanted to talk to me, and he was like, listen, I need to meet with you so I can officially apologize.
Didn't you win the first Grammy for hip hop?
Hey?
Listen?
They was trying to get me to come back, Like what did they?
It was just the area of.
No, No, it had nothing to do with that. It was kind of like, you know what par and Light is like, paring Light is kind of like I don't want to say Infinity Live. It's like one of those. But it was kind of like, we're not really trying to have that hip hop element because from what I heard after I left was they were like, you know, we don't normally come down here. They don't like you in sports jerseys and baseball hats. And it was one of the yeah, yeah, basically, let's setting that tone this
code talk. But you know how it is you kind of times you skate under the radar because it's like that's Jazz from Fresh Prince of bel Air not knowing that I'm playing mob deep.
But what was z Trip playing like?
Because Trip was playing mash up, so he was sneaking. He was sneaking, but understand. No one said that, like all of these days that we did, no one said when you come here that you have to play like this, Like you know, a lot of times people tell you how you want to play. I'm like, I'm cool. Like if I can't do.
Me, then how do you How do you handle it? Because I don't. I don't.
I don't that. I don't accept that at all. Even at the most prestigious get I won't take them. If you don't want me, then don't book me.
Always, your whole career.
Always, if you don't want me, don't book me, man I because you know, you know how this is Vegas. Vegas got like that, you know, Vegas got to the point that it was kind of like where we kind of want this, Like I remember, do you Vegas?
Listen?
I don't do Vegas anymore?
They listen.
I get a million offers to do Vegas and I turn them down. But you remember, like we we you know, questioning. I had a resident residency at the same spot and I never forget the first time that I did it. When I was done, they came down or someone said, well, we'll have a report for you, and I was like
a report I ain't never had a report. What's the report, Like, we're gonna give you a report, you know, And it got to a point that you know, oh yeah, you were great and this was cool, but it was kind of like, so you got people down here like checking on me, like I've been DJing in Vegas before. Everybody who works here, yeah, you know, but it's you know, I might at the end of the day, if everybody's having a good time and they buying drinks and everybody's cool, leave me alone.
This is weird now because it's like the variety that you have that allows you to DJ in spaces that your average your your your your average guy. Okay, well I'll be honest, because I mean it's the white elephant in the room. Obviously, you and Cash are Philadelphia gods.
And.
Your level of celebrity has allowed you more oxygen and more leverage and where you are now. And it's also on how you you freak it and how you handle your business that part, you know, so I can't ignore that, but it's like, are you I'm the type of person that dreads when November comes around because in my head.
Usually when December.
Gigs come, I'm always like damn, January is coming, and it's going to be another year where someone born in two thousand and two or you know, someone born in nineteen ninety nine who will be twenty one or whatever, you know, won't know what don't stop till you get enough is more.
It's like those records that used to be instant, they changed, like you you remember how like you would play the.
Opening horn riff of like Troy Yep and it was like chaos, and then the moment you mean when it stopped.
You mean when that stopped, yo, when I had one of the worst incidents, well my first incident of that, I did it Howard's Homecoming. Oh no, And I remember when you do the whole you know, I remember when you would play all of the current stuff and then you would kind of into your ERICB for President and everybody would lose their mind. And I dropped Eric B for President and everybody just stood there and I was like, wow, like because now Eric B for President is the entrance
to where I'm going. So I'm like, oh shit, you don't know the door that I just opened up. I don't know if I can go in the house now. So I was kind of you know, and I remember that, but that was the first time that I learned the lesson that you have to pay attention because every few years the timeline slides, you know what I mean. Like it was I remember, you know, a couple of years ago going overseas playing and somebody dropped Eve who's that girl?
And the club went crazy and I was like, oh shit, this is their classic? Now that was So you just have to keep you just have to keep your music set up in a way that you just have to slide it, slide it like you got to pay attention to who's out there?
But are you ready to mint that front and by Pharrell? Is now the new message? By Graham Asters?
Yeah, like that's old school now, well you know what it is. This also comes down to who are you playing for? You know what I mean?
And so are you playing for yourself? Are you playing?
Oh no, no, no, no, no listen. I do a very very good mixture of playing. I take enough met gigs to make to make me happy. But my job is to play for the people.
So wait when you went to Kenya, because we started with Kenya, So now I want to know and reference to Kenya, like what made the what made the crowd go crazy?
And what was there?
Like they throw back down?
So we where we played it was a restaurant, so we went and ate. Like when the club opened up. When I was telling you, they was playing Mary J. Blige album cuts like it was one hundred percent pure black music and deep black music. They appreciate it to the point that I was kind of like, oh, if that's where y'all go, oh, I'm good, I'm good.
So you know it was.
It was everything from.
Some classic house stuff to mob deep to like they they I couldn't stump them.
What were you saying about it?
Like, you know, like so I danced a little bit, you know what I'm saying, But when you go to Africa, like you're just insecure, you know what I'm saying, Like, you're like, man, it ain't no dance that I can do that's gonna impress nobody out here. And yeah, but when Jeff played that music, they're all it's like you're
at You're in the home of where rhythm started. You're in the home like when you when you get I heard the black people in America was from West Africa, But when you go to Kenya, they'd be like welcome home, and you look around like really like you know, like this is amine too like and and you know, just the welcoming atmosphere. But you know they got like bodily and musical superpowers if they want, because that's where it starts.
How many how many days or weeks were you guys there?
We were there for three days? Really three days. We we played like the first day we got.
There coming straight from America or no, no, no, no. We were for a mom Okay, I was about to say, like for three days.
It's like that lag do the gig.
Have some food and well listen that. Yeah, it gets like that. We were in Dubai and we flew from Dubai to Kenya. Food was amazing, the seasoning to see. Yeah, you know, because everybody has this whole thing of when I'm going to Africa, I'm going to eat necessarily African food, like they have their food and then they have food that everybody eats.
You know, it's weird.
When I went to South Africa, there was a place that it's almost like they know what foreigners are looking.
For, like that Africa.
Africa, you know, like they're looking for that, and they actually made they have a restaurant that plays up to that whole thing.
But I could tell it's just like for tourists.
Like I asked the guy, I'm like, Africans wouldn't eat the spot, right, And he laughed like, no, this is just for tourists.
Like they went. How they took They took us to the real deal.
We ate at a restaurant that was overlooking an African preserve that if you sat at your table and squint it you could see a giraffe.
What it was deep? It was deep, Like I asked.
There was a big security guard that was with us, and I was like, let me ask you a question, like how close are we to the lions? Like and he was like not so far, Like he said yeah, yeah, like they they'll come in the hood.
Yeah.
They told stories about gorillas that crossed the road and if one of them get hurt, the cars got to stop. And if you try to ride past the gorillas to jump on the car bang your window that you have to.
Yeah, you gotta stop and let them. It was, oh, listen, we went to a we went to an African animal. Yeah, that was first of all. Let me explain it, Michael Jack. He The guy was telling us that when a lion roars in full voice, you can hear him ten miles away. Said the lion will roar into the ground and vibrate the gout. That's how he lets everybody know. Get out
my way. But that's a dear Listen, they were feeding the lion, and the female lion came over to try to grab a piece of meat from the male lion, and the roar.
That he let out.
I let a little bit go, That's all I'm gonna say. Like, I ain't never heard no ship like that piece of chicken. Listen like that roar. I was kind of like, I'm cool, I'll take my lions in the zoo.
That was a little deep.
I gotta I gotta got experience.
I gotta figure out way to get over that.
Anyway, I'm glad that I'm here because they are greatly wanting you to come down. I greatly want you to come down and play.
I'm saying that no one has ever carried on a string teased me more than the entire continent of Africa.
But you've been a couple of places in the South.
I've been to South South. It's different.
I've been to South South. He's in South Africa. You almost don't get cool points from going.
To South Africa, North America.
Where you're going, I'm going to South Africa. Yeah, okay whatever, Like I got props when it was like I'm going to Kenya right over they just called really called, was like listen, and it was crazy because once I accepted Kenya, then Tanzania, card and all these other people, and it was.
Just like it was it was a little too late for that.
Now that I know what I know, I gotta you know, you need to go like going to beIN or my what Nigeria?
What?
I will tell you you will absolutely body that. Like they asked, They were like who who who?
Who?
Do you want to come down and play we Love Premiere. It was like we would love quest Love. We don't know if we can get him. I was like, I'll talk to him because I'm like, oh, he's.
Not that I don't want to go. You will matter that time.
Well, wait a minute, I know you're meticulous about your back line, So do you just take do you now just travel with all of your equipment?
No?
I just so they have Pioneer turntables there or Pioneer just ships them.
Yeah, they have Pioneer turntables, had an s no mixer what yeah that.
Man? Okay, well yeah listen hown I.
Said when I was there, they had the Flintstone Bird.
I'm just saying, back in two thousand a date, you know, if I had just send a carrier pits and send a few break beats over to me, Yeah, now they were they were okay, they were cool.
They gave me a bunch of music too, Okay, So you know, I go down there, I was.
Getting tired of people giving you, like all their twelve inches and the forty five's and everything.
You can't say that outright because you know, just you almost need to carry a bag for the stuff that people give you on a tour exactly because you just kind of come home and it's kind of like, you know, and I will really really appreciate this T shirt, just like I appreciate the twenty two thousand T shirts. I get that you want me to take the T shirt with your album cover artwork home.
What It's almost like you can travel like a Navy seal now like you probably could just you know, live off the swag.
That's given to you on the road.
Pretty much and pretty much.
That's that.
I will kill myself.
But I don't start the way I always out like, yeah, we always started the beginning. But it's also been a long time since we had an episode of.
So Jeff. As as as as the.
Music extraordinary that you are and being one of the many one of one of the first pioneers to actually introduce jazz samples to hip hop. Uh. We do a game called but You Guessed It, in which I will play a quarter of a second of a particular song and you have to even guess.
The artist or the song he said.
A quarter of a second, yes, quarter of a.
Second, quarter of a second, yes, some are easy, some or not. There is no you. This is this is I'm just saying this. This is round one of Okay, can you name this break.
Bracket in the pocket?
You are correct?
This, I know it.
That's the who who makes it. It's the original. I don't want to be a player.
Thank you.
The first Monday.
I might need help because I may not know the names, but you don't know that I know what I'm talking about, all right?
Number three?
Yeah, brand new or a bouncy lady.
Yes, I love how you just that pleasure break.
Mm hmm.
Do that one more time?
Mm hmm.
Yeah that's do do.
Together? Do the message by yes, me and the beers. You ready? Number five? Yeah?
Oh one more time? Yeah, you might stamp me with that one. Wait a minute, one more time?
No, one last time?
Yeah, nope, mhm.
Uh that was Ohio players singing in the morning.
See yeah, yeah, he got biggies.
Uh ready to up? All right, you're allowed to strike? Number six?
Mm hmm.
Is that Parlem with Funkadelic, Yes, the number seven? Oh, that is it.
The bird is playing Johnny Guitar.
Watson Superman Lover. Yes, number eight.
Mm hm.
That is the original be a Father to your child EDLG and the Bulldogs.
You're close wrong single? Yeah? Yeah, not be a father to your child? Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
I gotta have it.
Yeah bo Hannon burn that song singing.
A song from my mother being five to your child?
Was that ship?
All right?
Two more left? Two more left? Last one? All right? Second and last one.
The original dre ship? Yeah, chick moaning I want to do something freak.
Uh. Side note, I actually thought that was my mom.
Oh no, only because Dre uses my parents sample and that ship too, So I thought that you.
Knew your mama were weird.
I'm sorry, mom, the like, sorry, my mom has a similar s side.
I'm not that oxygen oxygen technique tale on her record, Yeah, excel on her record. So yeah, I was very relieved to find out that, no, that wasn't my mom, but yeah, she does something something anyway.
Your last song all right, this this is the comic kaze one more Time, M one more Time.
That's not h one two, three, four, five, six, seven, eleven twelve.
Only did that because of your connection with Jill Scott and getting in the way and her dropping.
That anyway, Uh, even though I know it.
Uh, Sir Jeff Towns, could you please tell our audience, almost three hours into the show, where you were born in what city?
Osborn in West Philadelphia?
We're in West Philadelphia, Like, are you allowed to talk about your old neighborhood.
Now that you don't live there?
I am. I'm from fifty seventh and Rodman, which which is right next to fifty seventh and Cedar, which is between Baltimore Avenue and Market Street. Which is funny because you know the north side is basically the north side of Market Street south side is south of Market Street, but before Baltimore Avenue, so not southwest past Baltimore Avenue southwest.
So in eighty five, how close were you to that move fire? Oh man, behind those sage.
Yeah, it was. I was about five blocks away, like literally heard the gunshots. Like the night before. You know, everybody in the neighborhood was just like, yo, something's going on because you knew move were there, you know, just going on a block. I went there, be outside with the ballhome.
Jack Junes was like yeah, crawling on the floor and it.
Was crazy because that night they were like, Yo, something is gonna happen. And we went up to Kyles Creek Parkway and it was I've never seen as many cops. I've never seen a swat team, you know, in real life, and they all were out there the big flood lights, and you know, we stayed up there for about two hours. I mean you couldn't get but three blocks close to it. And then we went home and I never forget it
had to be about five o'clock in the morning. I have never in my life heard twenty minutes of sub automatic weapons being fired in your neighborhood. Like it was nine stop and you you know, you didn't know, like you're hearing this through your window, not knowing what's going on, and you turn on the news and you know, so.
You had no clue that in twenty four hours entire blocks will be burnt.
No exact.
Like we saw the helicopter fly over, and we saw when it dropped it, and we didn't know what it was. We saw when it dropped it and you heard this incredibly loud boom that shook everything in the neighborhood and we were just kind of like, what was that? And they were just like they must have dropped some kind of explosive and then fire started, and like to realize this might have been three o'clock in the afternoon, and no one came, like, there wasn't a fire truck around
for a good five to six hours. So to watch it burn a complete blockdown, and you know how the blocks are that they're connected, So it burned a blockdown, it went through the alley to another block and burned one side of another blockdown.
As a whole cider. I'm still surprised how y'all let this go down, But I'm just gonna say that I don't understand Philly, y'all you are a Philadelphia I am, but I was in DC at the time, and I just know I felt like if it would have happened in DC, a bunch of black people would have took hands, went grew and got around the neighborhood and been like, I'll be damned if you go out to bomb these black people and these babies.
No, you didn't know.
You didn't like understand this is all news media, and this is after all of this gunfire, and what happened was people didn't know, which I personally believe that I don't think anybody from move shot. I think this was the least shooting at each other because all it takes is one shot, and and it was just gunfire that no one was kind of like known to have shot somebody you didn't know, So it was just kind of like nobody moved. You didn't know what was going on.
And to be honest with you, in nineteen eighty five, black Christian Conservative outlook was was hot and black Christian Conservative. I think it's almost a step ahead of racist, redneck Southern Bible Christian Conservative. It's almost like, you know, I remember, like practically everyone in the neighborhood saw the move people as heathens. Yep, they eat raw meat, they homeschooled their kids.
But I remember the move.
My brother used to live on forty fourth from Paltain, so I remember the first move with seventy seven Yeah naked, so you you you know, you knew about the organization and what it was, and they had a standoff there. I was just a little bit too young to really understand what it was. So when they kind of moved up in the neighborhood, you kind of it was still the same chatter, and you know, you're getting the information off of television.
So yeah, I was also that was I was heartbroken that day. I just got dumped by like my first high school girl.
The only time a bomb been dropped in the country you talk about.
I'm just saying, man, none of that. She's like I had a bomb dropped on my heart. Yeah, man, Like I came home.
Seriously, like the second they dropped that bomb in like three thirty, I was right on my porch and I was just.
Like, yeah, let me go watch the last Cosby episode.
For those of us who weren't there, can somebody just give us a brief about move not only about move, but about this bomb that was dropped.
I've never heard.
Loost Bill will be played by Steve Mandel. All Right, so basically move, I wouldn't know how to how to exactly I kind of get to move.
Or he's asking about the correlation between the bomb.
And the bomb there. Okay, so according.
How Philadelphia people really explain this, this is not a mirror.
He's don't I don't want I don't want to leave that. I don't want to be the all sides guy.
But so basically, I guess there was tension between the neighbors of the fifty eight one hundred block of Osage Avenue and the Africa family, which all their last names were Africa, similar to like having an X. They all took the last name of the Africa and it was like fifteen people in the house. Everyone had a similar
look dreadlocks. They were more like a primitive I mean, the thing is that it would be totally normal now in the times that we live in, but back then you saw someone dreadlocks, you were just like snakes in your head and you must move drugs like Bob Marley and you know. And they didn't believe in They just didn't really believe in the westernized colonization of where America was their education system and all, so they want to homeschool their kids.
They armed themselves.
Well right, yeah, they armed themselves. So it was like part part uh uh, part black.
Panther ideology, educate your kids live like vegetarians. It's I think the complaint was mainly a noise complaint. And then they would they would they were us on the roof with a bullhorn and just preached their message.
And they occupied homes. They didn't boy the home.
Oh yeah, like and see, I think one of the things that was different was this was in a residential neighborhood like so they were in the middle of the block like this. It wasn't like they were in the suburbs or had a farm. They were your next door neighbor.
And not to mention, they were already targeted because in nineteen seventy seven, our mayor Frank Rizzo, who was like, I mean, if you think like Giuliani era New York mixed with Donald Trump mixed with I mean, just think of the.
Worst racist police state mayor you could have.
They had an incident on forty fourth and Palatain where it was like because of a disturbance there, and then there was a shootout and he made them all come outside. I just remember the picture of them all naked, like twenty of them, hands in their naked and.
Some of them died.
And so there was already tension between the Philadelphia police and the Africa family. So once once complaints and protest uh were happening with the residents, the cops were sort of like, you know, and get out the house and they're like, no, this is our property, YadA YadA, yadda, And there was a standoff. It was like a four or five days standoff where they just seal off the block and you saw news cameras and news people like bending on their knees like you know this Jack Jones live.
Oh no, k y w N Now we're outside of the Africa home. And and then on May thirteenth, man, Yeah, the commissioner decided to just fly in helicopter right over their rooftop. I'm trying to figure out, like what was so distinctive about their rooftop.
They had something on top, they had a bunker.
Yeah, but you've realized how precise your aim has to be to drop like, so they basically I don't know if it's a grenade or whatever, but they dropped some sort of device that just they dropped a bomb. It was a it was a legit bomb.
First and last time ever on the United States story.
So they dropped a bomb.
And you see how like row homes are in Philadelphia, so it's not like there's a separation.
And so they let this house. They tried. They were like, we're going to burn you out the house. So they burned them.
Well, they literally killed them all but two, but then the fire spread and then the next two houses, and then two hours later the entire block was dummies. But then five hours later that one big ass block hit the next block, and then that entire block hit the block across the street, and then that spread. So at some point around nine o'clock we gotta knock saying there was like the block. Captain was sort of like, okay, just be prepared to I lived on the fifty second
block and this is the eight hundred blocks. So around like nine pm, even though we thought they would contain the fire, there was like concern that the ship just might spread and spread and spread.
Yeah, it was just it was.
It's crazy that I'm asked that anywhere I go in the world, because everybody's kind of like, yo, didn't weren't you guys that the people that dropped the bomb on a residential area. Yeah, it ain't like some ship you want to be known for.
Yeah. So records, yeah, yeah, no, So how did you how did you.
How did you start your your I guess that even before DJ you have to love records. So what was the first record you ever purchased? Or were you like the youngest I was?
Yeah, you know, well, you know what it is, like my brother played bass for the Intruders, So they would actually rehearse in our basement, which was a little deep because you know, you're so young that you're not allowed in the basement. That I would sit on the top step and they would rehearse, and then I would slide down to the next step and slide down to the next step till they finally see me and let's say
get back up, you know, get back upstairs. But then my dad was an MC for count Basie, So yeah, like my dad, like I grew up with seventy eights in the house, West Montgomery. Jimmy Smith and Arthur Price sock, so you had those. So it was almost like being the youngest, I had the best of everything. I had the seventy eights. You know, my brothers were you know, my brother was the weather report, Maha Vish New orchestra person, and then of course your sisters how many years older.
I'm oh man, I was the mistake, okay, Like I was the one that was a little bit of farther gap that it was kind of like, yeah, this was a hot and every night with my mont and dad, because everybody was like, you know, one person was this you know, you know, forty nine and fifty one, fifty three, and you know, it got to the point that it was kind of like, yo, there was like an eight year gap with me, Like I wasn't supposed to be
his right, right, but you know, but I was. I was the sponge, so you know, and and what I give more credit to was my you know, at about seven years old, my brother showed me how to take records in and out of the sleeve. Don't put your
hands on the records. You hold your thumb at the end, you put your finger in the middle, bring it out, don't don't touch touch the vinyl like that, and he had you know, he had a set, he had a receiver records now now like we've used I think I think that ship out the window.
My parents were like that.
But he, you know, he was kind of like, listen, if if you, if you take care of it, I will let you use my stere system when he was at work, what like seven years old. But what I'm gonna tell you was crazy. I'm seven years old and I'm making chick corea tapes cassettes, like he gave me a blank cassette and I'm listening to music, not really
understanding what is attracting me to this music. But I'm like, oh my god, I want this chick career song and oh look, you know, return it forever and I want that. And because the his music was my music, and I would make these, make these tapes, and I got sucked in, like I didn't understand it was the chorus structure. I didn't understand what it was. It was just the it was a pure attraction of music. And then the Stevie Wondering and Marvin Gay.
So that's what makes you different. You didn't have the don't touch my stereo. Oh no, I had the exact opposite. I had the exact opposite.
See, I had.
Don't touch my stereo. But I also lived in the house with three collectors that hove the stereo. So I was forced by will too, you know, by force. I had to listen to their music and don't touch my stereo on the car and none of that stuff. So I was that music was forced upon me. And then I guess Stockholm syndrome.
I just like I used to do this weird thing that this is probably the first time that I'm ever admitting admitting this. But I would have a radio and I would go and take a bath, and I would take the radio in the bathroom and I plug it up and I would sit the radio on top of the toilet and I would grab the plunger because you got to understand a plunger microphone, it's a microphone, it's a horn, it's a bass, it's a guitar. Oh, I
would mimic every but you know what I did. It made me memorize every guitar solo, lick for lick, every horn. So listen, I was switched. I would have that ship out playing.
Look the whole entire room just turned against.
The first thing. He says, I use a plunger for a mic, like but no, no, no, listen, what was that?
Literally everything everyone in this room, the people across the street, that froker.
Listen, man, you know your imagination and music is basically while I'm sitting here, because you.
Look ill meant the same thing.
When James Brown was on Dinah Shore doing body Heat and that's the first time I saw him do the microphone tricks.
I got the toilet punch and start doing the microphone tricks. And then my mom was like, so.
See I didn't do it in front of my mouth. I had a lock on the door.
Oh you knew better? Oh yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
And I didn't put the plunger near my mouth.
You know you plunge, slash, you know what I'm saying.
You listen, But but the top like, I wasn't doing it the rubber part, which was the horn, and you know, you would grab a roll of toilet paper and that would be your muzzle on your on your trumpet. So listen, I went to what was Steve was just like, wow.
Where were you busy in the bathroom? When were you allowed to curate.
The first backyard barbecue or like what you consider your first DJ gig.
I started making mixtapes for all of the dancers, not necessarily mixtapes. If you had a cassette that had a spring loaded pause button that it did it instantly. You could like you know how sometimes you would have the pause buttons that you would hit it and then it would engage. If you had a spring loaded pause button, it would stop automatic. So I would just make the love the Life you Live break that all of the dancers would dance off of. I was the one that
had it that went for ten minutes. Yeah, so I would go to the end, and you got known for that. And then it just turned into you know what, I'm gonna steal some of my brother's records and not eat lunch the whole time. I'm in school and I'm going downtown because you remember funkal Mart had three five for you know, two dollars, and I would just I started a record collection like that's I realized that the record collection is the most important thing as a DJ.
What was the first because I did when Rappers a Light came out, I begged I think twenty people for a dime mm because there's like seventeen.
So yeah, listen, I had, like, what was the first record that you like, bar Kay's Holy Ghosts Moving by Brass Construction because I was a little pre hip hop. So that's what they play at the block parties. I just want to make your dream come try by mass production, and you know, it was it was all of that. It was the funk and soul bands.
When did you play your first block party?
Probably about eighty seventy nine eighty. I know, I was still in school.
Too, so I know Philly is known for these DJ crews like astrou Oh yeah, this was this was way before that.
This was super before that, like enough to go off the block, so let alone have a crew. But it was it was older DJ's on the block, and you know, and that's the first time that you got in front of two turntables and a mixer with headphones mix.
Oh yes, I had nothing, and they trusted you. Yeah.
I mean, listen, I was the guy that when they had to go pee, I played.
Yeah, you were like, I was gonna say, have you ever been someone's record? Dude?
Always? That's all I was to all of the older guys, and it was just you know, I don't remember what happened, but I gotten to a point that I would do stuff by myself. And you I know from growing up in West Philly that we have an iconic public enemy type flavor flave figure named Crazy D that if Crazy D was at your block party, your block party was guaranteed to be a success. So people would go and
recruit him. And they had a block party on fifty seven Cedar, which is a big block to two Way Street. And I remember looking at all of the DJs in the neighborhood. You had Disco Doc, you had Disco Rat, you had Email Disco, and all of them had no block parties. They were all there. So it was kind of like when you don't have any other competition and they're all they're watching you and you're fourteen fifteen years old in the street with four or five hundred people
and you're controlling them. That was the That was the signal. That was the signal in the neighborhood that that he got it.
Like that was it.
It was that one block party.
So how long was it before you were able to.
Because I know turned, I mean I had to get a record budget to buy my turntables and my mixer and that sort of thing.
So like I was in a lot of crews that had equipment, so one guy, you know, it was kind of like you practice, though I would mentally practice, no, Jeff, listen, I'm I'm dead that serious. I would practice in my head. That was the only way that I can get ten spent in my head project. Well that was before that. That was before that, but you know what it was. What helped was if you cut Grand Master Flash super
Wrapping at a party and you killed it. The next week, the DJ in your crew is going to cut that record. He's not gonna leave it for you. There wasn't there wasn't favoritism or any of that. So what happened then you learned how to cut at the party by Treacher's Three, and then the next week he would cut Grand Master
Flash and the Treacher's Three. So you systematically kept going through records finding root teens to do off of these records because it was it was that competitive, you know, you you know the back in the day parties, you know, Grand Master Flash super Wrapping was paid twenty times because everybody had a routine off.
Of it, right, who who was the first? Like did you pioneer the whole let's dance of the drummers beat?
Like what that was?
That was a classic?
Like I don't think anybody necessary like that's what was the record that the drummers beat?
Like that to me is is that's Philly?
Like that was one of the things that I would say, like that didn't belong to any DJ specifically, that was Philly. That was DJ Spinbad, Lightning Rich, that was every DJ and Philly cut pumped me Up, they cut dances, drummers beat, they cut, it's time, they cut, you know, clear they cut Like there was just a staple of Philly records that all of the DJs cut.
But I mean, who was the first cat that was just like, yo, just pump me up normal, I'm gonna bump the bump up, bump, bump me out like.
Ways to every You know what was funny? I think when I saved up enough money and got twelve hundred, because I understand all of this early stuff was done on belt drive turntables, which I think helped me a.
Lot because the record goes fat okay, but you know what it.
Was, it helped your hands. You know that's my hands got light because they had no choice but to be like because I was on the wackiest equipment in the world.
So so without butter rugs, how were you able to wax records under wax paper?
You would go in your moms and pull out some wax paper, put a record down, you cut it out and poked a hole in. You start scratching too much. The wax paper would get too big and start sliding off, and you gotta get some new wax paper. There wasn't We didn't have any of those tools. We didn't have
butter rugs. Felt mattch You. You know, you bought a turntable, you had the big rubber mat on it that you just tossed away, and you know, forty five made the record wobble, which you had to have really light hands because.
You would cut forty five's too.
Well, No, you would put a forty five underneath the twelve, and oh but that didn't work. So the wax paper was it. Or you would cut an album cover and try to use that. You try to get a glossy one because it was a lot more. He would spray WD forty in your mixer, which I know Steve is just like, oh, my god, you would spray it in the mixure. You knew it was going to destroy your mixer,
but it would make your crossfader cool. So you know, it was kind of like listen, I'm gonna I'm gonna kill it for about three weeks and then the here comes the static and it's time to retire, and you would just sit it on the cell shelf and let it dry out. By time to dry it out, you could do it all over again.
Can I ask you all a question, just in a DJ culture question, like what is Philly DJ culture and history mean to hip hop versus other cities? Well, of course people would say New York, But what do y'all think that it really means to the culture.
Well that leads to my next question, because I think that yes or no, did you invent the Transformer scratch?
I don't. I don't give that. If I had to give that credit to anybody, I would give that credit to DJ Spinbad, the original spin Bad who used to DJ Forbell.
Yeah, he's from Philly, Yes he was.
He was the first person to do something that sounded like that. There was no name.
He was doing it with the up and down. It was no rhythm to it.
But he was the first person that did it forward and did it backwards and then basically.
It did the light bulb go off in your headlight?
Oh completely, But you know what it was when you think about it, what Graham was the Theodore invented. You took and you said, okay, Flash added some rhythm to it, you know what I mean? Okay, who decided to use the crossfrader and cut the scratch on and off? Like it was all of these add ons that people did. So when he did it, it was kind of like, Okay, he did it.
That was dope.
But he didn't put any kind of rhythm to it like everybody. You know, everybody's rhythm is syncopated. Nobody was like everybody's that that.
Okay, So see that right there. So if I was to say what alt Philly DJ's hip hop would be, what it would be something like that, Like it would.
Be technique is something that Philly is definitely invented.
Technique Like most people credit spendbad Uh you cash money?
There's a fourth one. Uh, we don't play what is miss?
I would say that, well, okay, I'll ask you who without hurting people's feelings who's in your Mount Rushmore?
Oh you're already there.
Who Now is this Mount Rushmore in Philly or just in general Philly?
Cash?
Absolutely crazy thing. It would be cash grand Master Neell and Cosmic keV.
Well, I knew you was gonna say keV, but I was, that's wow, that's awesome.
Like and it's ken my idol. Listen, keV keV.
keV.
keV was incredible. Cosmic keV is the fastest DJ ever heard him? Like he was he was, he was incredible. Like I like, we get mad at keV because keV don't beat keV no more. And I'm like, come on, dude, I know you got that ship that don't.
Ever go nowhere.
Wait he doesn't do it anymore.
No, No, I ain't saying like that. I'm saying like, listen, like I said, I get mad that this generation of people who know Cosmic keV don't know the cosmic keV that I know. Oh you know what I mean, Like you know, keV grand Astonell, like everybody kind of had something and it was you know, and it was really dope because you know, when cash wasn't necessarily from Philly, cash from Yaton and you know, we brought Cash into Philly and introduced him to all of the promoters and all the rest of that.
Wait, you don't consider Yayden, Well, well I do, I do.
I mean, you know, it's kind of like you you kind of count Sharon Hill as Philly.
Yeah, okay, back in the day, used to think that was a suburb. Yeah, yeah, I get it. I get it.
But you know, but you know, like you know, Nell used to bring us to South Philly because you wouldn't go to South Philly without knowing somebody. You wouldn't, damn it, trying to go down there and DJ.
So you.
Listen, it wasn't like that, Like I listen, I remember keV bringing me to Mount Airy to DJ at a block party, and someone snatched this guy's glasses right next to me. He had a pair of Neil Styles on just like I did. And they snatched his glasses and didn't snatch mine because I was up there with keV.
I forgot you grew up in the era of snatching.
Listen Gazelle's Space Invader hats I remember, Yeah, I forgot about that era. It was rough, you know, and and I understand I needed glasses. So my ship wasn't for show.
You got transitions before we even had transitions.
Listen.
So somebody snatched my glasses. I don't know if I'm a beer fire. I got robbed too, and somebody took my gazelle. They took my glasses, took my sneaks.
What at?
Noah?
Listen, I was coming home, coming home, and you saw it. You saw the whole thing being set up. We were walking. Funny is I was with a friend of mine and we stopped and was talking to this girl and these two guys walked past, and they walked back past. So it's kind of like the second pass was kind of like that's when you kind of cut your eye, and the third past they came back and we kind of looked at each other like okay, you know what this is.
So as they walked left, we walked right. And what he did is he looped around and came through the alley and jumped out the alley with a gun and was just like give me your glasses. And I'll just repeat did everything that he said because it was in broad daylight. So he's like, give me your glasses. I was like, glasses, Like give me a chain, give me my chain because I'm like, I'm stalling because my man broke.
He broke.
I mean, listen, I wasn't mad shit he had a gun. I would have broke too, damn it will I'm playing, but he broke, and you know I was. I was two seconds away from like, Okay, he doesn't look too confident with his gun, so I'm about to suckle punch the ship out of him and run. And what happened. Then his man came up, So now it's two people. So it was kind of like, okay, all right, let me just give my glasses and give you my watch, and and it got caught.
Oh they did.
Long story short. He came to court with my sneakers on. You You remember how you used to lace the sneakers up, that how all one side would be red and one side would be blue.
I knew how to lace my sneakers to New York strings in the same suit.
I knew how to lace my sneaks up, that this whole side will be red, this whole side to be blue. He came in to sneakkers that he wribbed me in. I let the judge know. He said they were his sneakers. I told him take the laces out and let him lace them up, and.
Did he do it?
And he couldn't do it. Wait, the judge made the judge made him do it. He couldn't do it, and it gave me the sneakers back, and I took the sneaks and throw.
Him in the fass.
It's just like, I just don't want you.
To have Yeah, it'd be such a great episode.
Of C S I or l A Law Like you're so old, you said, l A.
I love that.
No, I get it.
That is you should sell that episode.
How did you first hear about the d mcs?
Oh man?
How many? How many belts? Is that a real thing? Or just where is that? Folk Awards?
It wasn't belt. I got a cup. I didn't get a belt.
Was it the very first one?
No, it wasn't the first one, but I got I got a cup.
What year did you win yours?
Eighty six?
Okay? And how many years were they in existence?
Oh man?
It was?
It was there for a couple of years before that. But it was funny because when I got in, fifty percent of the DJs were mixers. So they got really really mad at me because I kind of changed the whole landscape of the DMC. So before you can listen, before listen, the dude was playing and he I need Love and he's mixing the next record, and I came in like no technique lass Lassan, and it was just like, we can't keep up with that.
What's the d MCS DIC mixed Club?
Yeah, I never knew that's what.
DMCs do think about it just mix, Yes, But so you're saying that before you came in, Before you came in, it was just about who had the hottest mix in five minutes pretty much?
Who were the previous winners before? I don't know, so who was going up against you now?
I want to say, well, because it was two it was the New Music Seminar and it was the Disco Mixed Club, Disco Mixed Club. I remember Van dy C was in it, and it was a couple other dejits. I think wiz Kid was in it. I don't know the mixer. The mixer guys it was from Philly as well. He's not from Philly, he's from Jersey.
He was he was, he was.
I was in the New Music Seminar with him. He was the he was the d m C World champ at the time, and.
How did you defeat him?
What do you mean how I was better?
Okay, but you know what, like listen and and and he's he's he's cool.
You know.
I love that brother. It was just funny at that point in time. I was never really I never really considered myself a competition guy like listen, I like, I like to do it. I was just kind of like, damn, I'm really mad that everybody's trying to put this person up against you. It's just like I enjoyed doing this. I ain't playing basketball to win the dunk contest. I just like playing ball. But that was a way to
get your name out. So when I got into the new music seminar, being from Philly, what did you cut with?
I did?
That was when I did the bought a mansion for your mother thing and broke it down. But it was kind of like he right before we went on, I went to shake his hand and he didn't shake mine. I was just like, hey, man, what's up. Good luck? You know, because I was like, man, I like you got the King cut record out, and he didn't. He wouldn't shake my hand, you know. But it was just it was literally one of those things that I'm kind of like, listen, the equipment was messing up. I realized
that nobody was using their own needles. Nobody was using I won that with technology because the equipment that everybody was using, everybody lost on the side, like it was two setups to set up on the left. Everybody lost because it was jumping. And when he didn't shake my hand, I deliberately walked to the left side. You know, I was like, no, I'm going to show you that. I'm going to show you completely. And I reached.
I purposely took the bad side.
Like Will was pissed off because everybody was like, when you go out there, go to the right side.
And I walked up and.
Went to the left side, and I reached in my bag and I put my own needles on. I had some ADC needles with quarters on top. And I reached and I put my wax paper on and I put my record on. And the funny thing with Steve was gonna kill me. I reached in my bag and while everybody was looking, I took the long straw and said crossfader, and as soon as it got loose, I went my headphones and I tested the left turntable and I tested the right one, and I looked out at the crowded Will and I was like.
Yeah, that's it.
I was like, like, none of those DJs even thought knew none to wait their ship, not or balance none. Only you were doing that just me. And once I knew, I was kind of like, I'm good.
And I started breaking breaking stuff down, doing rhythm scratches with job rhythm scratch and you know, just stuff that people hadn't seen or heard before.
And that's how you won. That was it? I see, all right, Uh, I gotta get to your your production phase. I know.
Jeff was like, this is got We're gonna have to have him back for an whole mon like production phase.
I told you before he got here, I was like, I don't know how we're gonna do this.
This is a two parter that's waiting to happen. I'm not stopping the story is no, I'm just I'm I'm just saying.
I see he's let's go.
You know, we're gon we can get and then we're gonna make him come back again.
Yes, okay, So how did you partner with Will?
You know every day everybody had a rap group, everybody had an MC, everybody had a DJ.
Wait before I asked that, how did I heard a mixtape once of you battling Victor do play.
Dick.
It wasn't who put that mistake one.
It wasn't a battle. It was people just recorded. But it was kind of like people used to do calling responses with records.
But I thought he was your record dude.
No, you know, Vic, Vic was the young guy that used to come over the house and I would show him stuff.
Yeah, but then what happened with this thing like your battle with Jeff and Vic.
The dick.
Telling that title.
What happened was Vic when on at a Central High party and as a joke, he took a he took a jab at me with records because we're all cool, right, he took a jab at me with records. So it was kind of like, Okay, you're gonna take a jab at me. You don't understand that I got this laundry list of things that I can do to you. And and Ice, my MC at the time was the one that was like Victor Dick. So now to show you, because it came out on a mix tape, you don't
get a chance to see what actually happened. You only hear it, so everybody's like, oh my god, you killed Vic and it was like it wasn't like that stage.
Yeah.
Can I give a millennial footnote real quick to all the millennials Victor Dick aka Victor Cook aka Victor to do play. You may know him from a party called Kissing Grind.
Yeah, there we go, the god Kissing Grind. Yes, that's that's come up with the.
Century and one of the producers, one of my favorite, Eric Eric green Eyes. I always like to put that in there.
Victor Cook, Victor Victor, I'm a call him Cook. I'm no he.
Wait, Actually you mentioned something very crucial, uh for Philadelphia hip hop heads. The the high school jams. How were they booked? Because those were like on level of college jams.
But you know what, all of the DJs were from Central High Like Vic went to Central Where did you go to high school? I was, but you know I was, yeah, I was out of school by then. Oh, but it was just kind of like I got booked because of my affiliation with Vic and everybody else.
So you was there an agent that just had y'all going on to high school was an agent. An agent six, I thought an agent was a guy that you know did these things.
Now you just you know, you knew that you knew the guy who was throwing a party, and you wanted to kind of be his favorite because he would, you know, and then if he knew that people followed you, you know they were they were booking.
But you never desired to be on like Lady b Street beat on Power ninety nine or like like what was your goal?
I got the radio one, you know what, I didn't know. I didn't know, Like this was weird because this was at a point in time when I'm out of school and I don't tell anybody that I'm a DJ, Like what kind of DJ?
You know?
You were?
You were a radio DJ then, so you know, my mom's friends come to.
Oh, Jeff, you at of school.
What are you doing now?
You kind of like a college or you didn't okay, okay, it's.
Kind of like what are you doing now? It's like I'm a DJ and you don't tell somebody I do block parties and you know, house parties that I'm setting up on people's washing machines and all of that.
Like that that wasn't a viable. So back then, if I wanted to book Jazzy Jeff, Oh, listen, I had.
My cool in eighty three or eighty.
Listen, you find your man who worked at the printing store, and you would get the car and then somebody would design it and you would put your home number on it.
So in eighty three, how much could I book you for?
Oh?
Man, I was a cool thirty five hours?
Wait what come on?
Man?
We was just trying to five bucks.
We was trying to get money to go to McDonald's on Fortier Street.
Like a COAE episode.
University like you wasn't getting I got to pay you two hundred and fifty bucks.
Man, I wish somebody paid me two hundred fifty bucks.
But you wear and your kicks was right.
I mean listen, because I had a job. I worked at Roy Rogers.
Okay, there we go.
You worked where? Which street?
How do you think I know?
I lived at Roy Rogers? Come on, I was, I was.
I was the chicken cook. Makes a lot of sense, now, don't it you?
Yes, it totally there you goes, Oh my god, this.
Totally makes sense. This absolutely makes sense. Now wait, you worked at that that? Yes, dude, I guarantee you, I've sixty.
Five percent of all my nutrition.
Was a ship.
I worked at the Roy Rogers, and then I moved up the street and started working for Steve's ice Cream.
Ice Cream. Yeah, with the mixed man.
I was the king of the mixing.
So y'all knew each other, but y'all don't know each other obviously.
I guarantee you.
Ever asking for some free ice cream, He's like, no.
You know you all right, wait, let me let me bring the move down real quick. Uh side note Philadelphia tribute.
Uh.
Gary Heidnick used to oh damn you guys started frowning already. Gary Heidnick uh would often lord his the women inside.
Of that Roy Rogers on forties? Really to do?
What? Who is he?
What to do?
Disorder? Are Who's Milwaukee? Yeah?
I hate to do that.
Noise, yeah, silence and lamb dude.
Who's Milwaukee? Yeah? Yeah, I'm.
Not.
David Banner, David David.
He got killed in jail. David the blonde everybody. Yeah, he liked it. He liked it.
Brown his name. We had a we had we had a version of that in Philly. I didn't know he lived at eighth and Butler at that and he in the he used the bar to Jeff.
So Gary was our Jeffrey Domer side note at his trial, you know his key hip hop history, you know it was a key witness at his trial.
At Gary Hidnik's.
Trial said G from Ultra Magnetic for.
Some reird, weird reason either said, G used to talk to this girl in Philly, but he lived.
Crashed in North Philly.
Uh eighty six eighty seven, like between his ultramatenetic gears or whatever.
But he had to for some reason. He was testifying in the in that Gary hiding truck.
Yeah, that's a little weird.
Yeah, why I just bring the mood down.
No, it's fine.
Just completely destroyed my Rory Roger days. I gave oh man, Gary, Wow, I'm fixing chicken.
This is not funny. Just killing chicken.
I heard you good?
So uh yeah, from doing those those central This is weird because this actually takes us back to the beginning of this conversation with pleasing yourself musically and serving.
The crowd musically. I noticed that, uh, there's there's sort of a running theme with most of the.
Guests that are on QLs in which high pressured dj uh uh scenarios make better producers. Jimmy Jam would often talk about having to DJ for two thousand kids in Minnesota, but that made him more in tune to become Jimmy Jam And of course Doctor Dre his story.
Is that you know, if you played the wrong record, you could get shot.
Yeah, I know that part, So.
I don't know.
I feel like I'm in such a privileged era because like, my celebrity allows me to do silly shit, like I could play a Sesame Street record if I want to, and it's like, oh, of course, loves you know, I'll play the Curly Shuffle, three Stooges, shit whatever. But it's like, how are you able to experiment or is it just like yo, I got to play the hottest record right now and that's it. You got, Like I assume these gigs are like three to four hours, correct, No, you do.
Three to four hours. I do two. I'll do you can make a point in two hours, yes, Like I can make a point however long. But it's one of the most important things is for me to know how long, because for me to tell the story, I have to end. I get absolutely pissed off. I am not able to end because everything, you know, it has a beginning of middle and an end and you just you once I know how long it is, I kind of know where to go.
But how can you tell that story in two hours?
Though, because it's so it's possible to tell that story in thirty minutes, like it all depends.
You know, it might not like it.
It's not easy.
It's like it's actually harder to do it in a shorter amount of time. Yes, it's hard to tell, you know, because you you don't get a chance to build up, you don't get a chance to kind of get into it.
You only so when you do these gigs around the world, it's only for two hours. Yep, got even three?
Well, see, you know what it is. You got to keep in mind. I play really really high impact. When you play high impact, you can't high impact people for over two hours. Like, there was so many lessons that I've learned. I remember doing an MSU homecoming and it was one of those things that I just was hitting them and hitting them and hitting them, and I remember
paying attention to this guy. He was a little bit heavy and he was dancing and it was almost like you were trying to get off the floor and I keep playing something that and when I tell you, he was dripping and soaking wet. And it got to a point that I was like, you're not enjoying yourself anymore, Like you're at a fucking health reason, You're You're at a point that you're not enjoying. And it was kind of like, wow, Jeff, you know what you have to do.
You gotta take people on a roller coaster ride. You got like it's cool to send people to the bar. You know what I realized a long time, like I didn't come up playing reggae because like, and I'm gonna tell you why, there was so many me reggae records you get. You know, I'm coming from funk, soul rock, all the rest of this. I couldn't add reggae into my set because it was way too much and it was so many rhythms that changed that it was just kind of like, you know what, I'm gonna leave that
to someone else. But what I realized is if I didn't play reggae, people didn't leave who wanted to hear reggae? Once you get them in, nobody's leaving. That's the first lesson as a DJ that you have to understand, Yeah, I'm not paying twenty dollars and a DJ suck to the point that I'm gonna leave. I'm gonna be mad at you, but I'm gonna stay so because I know that you're there. My job is, you know what, if you satisfy everybody in the room for forty five minutes,
they walk out saying I had a great time. So it gives me the ability to satisfy three different groups of people for forty five minutes. Everybody walks out like, yo, he killed it, because you can't think. Case in point, how long do people dance at a wedding reception? Twenty minutes? Yeah, tops, a boy, get on the floor with the bride and
the groom. You boom boom, boom, boom boom, and it's kind of like, okay, cut the cake and we out, and I'm good, like we not at the You know, this ain't dance materia because people who went to those marathon dance things they went there to dance all night.
That's not the average club. The average club is I'm a drink, I'm gonna find a girl, and I'm ana dance. It's not it's not the whole thing.
And as I'm just gonna say, as the person dancing on the floor, we appreciate the break to go get the drink, to not mess up your hair and sweat your hair out and shit and be like, oh good, he's gonna let take it.
Oh good.
I can breathe for a second, like we just appreciate it.
You know what, It's funny you said about reggae because I feel as though reggae is the one genre that will never die and that.
Is universally loved by everyone. Yep.
My first ten records are always the reggae records because I have to test the room. That's the one like murder, she will will never die in my lifetime, So that's usually like my first record. And with the stuff that Drake is doing now, that's sort of like close that it fits in. So usually my first ten records of that, and it buys me time to see. Now it's weird because I used to be the DJ that like came out the box hit hit, hit, hit, but then I learned, like after.
Seventeen, there's fatigue yep.
And then I started feeling myself to the point where I got off with playing the worst shit.
Ever, No, only because I knew what I had around the corner.
But how great is that feeling? I tell people, it's amazing. If I got two thousand people in front of me and I know I got you, I know what the next five records are going to do to you? Like you don't know, Like I'm sitting there like, oh my god, my ass like fast when we were in when we were in Africa. And because I have this thing that I play the original of Annie Up the Soul System, so you know it's fast.
And Soul System.
So everybody's kind of have this look because it's kind of like you just changed the tempo, like it's almost like damn, did he fuck up?
And I'm playing it and you.
Gotta sell it like we're selling it. That's over there dancing Dane dancing, and when it when it morphs into it, the look on everybody's face, oh oh shit, oh and it's pandemonium. But so when I drop that, I'm excited because I'm kind of like I'm looking at the dude just kind of like, what's he doing? Man, this dude?
And I'm like, and I'm just staring straight in his face.
Just wait because you know, Annie up is kind of like with all the ladies, and right, yeah, that's that's the be say.
For dudes, I'm sitting there like, okay, go ahead, stand there with that stone face.
And then he loses his mind.
Oh absolutely, okay, so listen. Dis inclosing because I also want to get listen. You said for the record, we are doing part two.
Okay, but part two gonna be real long too. We're talking touch of jazz, We're.
Talking we gotta get to the production stuff and then but I do want to talk about the M three project.
Explained to me how it came to be.
I wanted this to be the last installment of the Magnificent Series, not the last record that I'm gonna do. The Magnificent Series was always a trilogy to me. I wanted to be the Magnificent return of Magnificent M three. I needed to let the music industry kind of get completely out of my way. There's certain ship that just didn't make sense to me that I wanted to kind of You know, the first thing that I fixed was having your own studio. Because now I can control the
creative process. I can make whatever I want. Nobody can tell me that I just didn't have it down to how to release your music and get it to everybody. So social media and just the changing world that we live in allowed all of that to happen, and that's why I was eleven year gap between the Return of
the Magnificent to this one. But I also wanted to do a record because I made the mistake by making the prototypical let me have all of these guests on my record, only to realize that there's no way humanly possible that we're ever going to do a show.
Isn't that frustrating?
Wow? So it just got to a point that it was kind of like, listen, I'm you know, as many dates as we're doing, how can I make this record to the point that we can go out and support you?
But did you do that with the other Magnificence?
Oh listen, I had method man cls move and everybody.
You know.
It was just kind of like, yeah, so this will never be live, That's what I meant, Like the tour ever.
And yeah, so you know, it was kind of like, you know, me and Dane have been on the road for six seven years. I've made fest was on the Return of the Magnificent. The funny thing was when I made the Return of the Magnificent, my son Amyra was five, so you know, it was all and then just sitting down kind of piecing it together. You know, I was kind of like, listen, you know what I want to do. First of all, I want to bring back the era
of Cold Crush. I want to bring back the era of tried, bring back the era of Day Last Soul of MC's going back and forth with each other because one of the things that I realized, especially being in DJ, is when you've been around doing a cycle. When AM and I would DJ together and we would do two by four sets, which basically both of us are playing at the same time, people would lose their mind. And I'm like, I did this twenty five years ago with cash money, Like it's not new.
Wait, you DJ with cash money before? Yeah, we would do two by four style. I never knew that. Yeah, That's why I never asked the question, Yeah, we would do that, but it's just what it did.
Is it kind of let me know, when you have when the cycle has repeated itself, everything starts over.
You know.
It's kind of like the person who's like, oh my god, transformers and you're kind of like, oh, wow, you completely missed the cartoon. Huh, like you think it started now. So it's from knowing that. From the DJ side, I'm kind of like, you know, migos don't actually tag team when they rap, like they're not doing day La Sola
cold Crush stuff, so no one understands about that. So I was like, yo, I'm just reinventing the wheel that what I think is really dope is I had three generations of MC's that I have Fest who's forty, Dame who's twenty, and am Here who's eighteen, but they all are MC's.
They all spit and you can hear their different perspectives and the songs I was listening to it, I was like, this is.
Kind of like everybody's kind of like, oh man, you know is it that this is? This is kind of like I hate categorizing music. I got two categories. There's good music and bad music. I don't care the genres all the rest of that ship, because you know, you would go into a tower records and you couldn't find a ship that you wanted because you classified it as
one thing and they classified it as something else. And I just kind of wish that the entire store was in alphabetical order, because I could probably find everything that I wanted. So it's just it wasn't genre specific, you know. I took two weeks and we came in and we made all of the music. All of the music on the album is live instrumentation, and I did it in a way because it was kind of like, Okay, you know, I don't necessarily want you to know. I want you
to feel the music. I'm not I don't want you to dissect it. And then invited Dane ron Fest and I'm Mayr to come in and Aaron Camper and we, you know, recorded all the vocals and it was like that was it.
Shout out to Aaron Camp.
Shout out to Aaron Camp. So I'm about to say and then we cheat because traveling around the world, if you watch any of the videos that we put out, we cheat and shoot videos and all of the places that we go. So the first video, Skaters Paradise, which is actually about traveling around the world and how some people would rather spend a thousand dollars on the strip of the dance instead of spending one thousand dollars on
a trip to Japan. You know, we we cheated and shot the video all over the world.
That's good business.
That's good business.
Good business. Well, Jeff, I'm holding.
You to.
Yes, we have two actually we have two extra episodes to do. We have to do Jeff, and then Ryan Fast he got to come back to his own episode talk about how he be trying to say the world and shit exactly.
Yeah, Fest, I take Fest around the world with me because he saves the world as we go.
I don't. I don't.
I've never been that person that just kind of ventures off and we would come down and I'll say, dang, where's Fest And he was like, I don't know, and Fests just be like, yo, I just got with some people and they took me out and Kenya, and I'm kind of like, yeah, I wouldn't have did that. But Fest comes back and listen. We we were in Bali and Fest came back after being gone all day that we're almost about to send a search party out, and Fest was like, yeah, I went to a brothel and
I was sitting outside talking to three prostitutes and a cop. Yes, And he had like a five hour conversation, but came back with the entire information on the country of Bali, Indonesia, Indonesia, potato potato patata. So yeah, you know, fest is our culture.
Yeah, how's Obama doing? I just figure you know him.
You know, actually we were having some issues in Chicago because you know, they got the the the Obama Library.
It's coming to the South Side.
It's a five hundred million dollar project, is gonna projected three billion.
Dollars for the for the South Side of Chicago.
But Obama, who was a community organizer, wouldn't sign a community benefits agreement and that that community benefits agreement that makes sure people don't get harlemed out and brooke them out, you know what I mean. Like when you see what's happening in New York, it's coming to your neighborhood soon.
I'm from Dcy.
It didn't already happen in Chicago because where did the council voted on it today and pushed it through and so like, you know, basically, you know, the preachers and Obama, they got to get like it's Obama, just trust them. And the community is like, hold on, wait this three billion dollars, we need this in writing, and they're like, nah, you're not getting it in writing a lot of times too.
You know what's interesting when you this is what black people got to be careful of when we make big money and do big projects.
Who's in the middle of us in the community. It's always the middle man.
He usually don't look like the man.
He don't look like the one at the bottom of the at the top.
Sometimes.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying. I mean Steve Cools, No, he is right now.
Hey, I'm going to get him an endorsement deal with w T forty.
Okay, don't but you know my mix is no more because now they got a nob to make it tight or loose.
I heard you Ryan over there. Watch out for the middle man. You know he talks to rich people. I'm not there yet, but for you and Jeff, y'all should watch out for the middle man.
If you see a rich person. You know what I'm saying.
I couldn't say wealthy, at least rich. Come on, Negroes, don't try to play a player.
Got wind this episode so I can go to my job. You can be rich with culture.
Goodbye. I can't look.
I'm just spending on my mama house.
That's okay.
On behalf of j DJ Jazzy Jeff, Ron fest Sugar, Steve Fantigolo and his countertops.
Oh man, I love we speak like he real salty day he didn't, Yeah he real salty is he?
Yeah?
His countertops exactly should have been here, but Ron that's coming back. So there you go.
There you go, all right, And also Unpaid Bill on Testamont Street and uh uh Boss Billy Steve. Yeah, everyone, this Questbow Supreme and this Quest Love only on Pandora.
We will see him the next go round.
Thank you, ladies and gentlemen.
You hate to hear it happen, but you know that's part one of the Great Jazzy Jeff. Stay tuned for Part two, where we get more stories of his life with Will Smith making records, DJing, making music, Follownists, Passion, the Greatest Ever Jazzy Jeff QLs Classic Part two coming up next time. Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic episode was produced by the team at Pandora.
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