QLS Classic: Heather Hunter

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Ladies and Gentlemen.

Welcome to QLs Classic Episode forty two with a pioneering adult actress and Heather Hunter of July twenty seventeen.

What can I say? The name holds holly for certain generations.

Heather Hunter shares a story from life working as a co check girl in the fabled legendary Latin Quarter nightclub, to blazing trails in Hollywood and the world of porn. As the first black woman really allowed in space as others have yet to navigate or get to in their life. She also gets older and wiser and tells about her experience after porn, as a photographer, as a director, as a singer. With so many stories she asked to share.

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Uh So, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another exciting episode of pust Love Supreme. I am your host, u Amir Thompson aka Top Daddy love and with me. Today's team Supreme at the Helm. We have Fante aka Carolina Cushion.

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Next to him is our boom, our boom operator, Sugar Steve aka Mile Miracle Mandel aka Oil of Oyve.

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And we have our director h Next to him is our director Bill aka Indiana Slick Smoke, Slicks, Indiana Bones, Indiana Bones, Indiana bones.

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And next to him is our first lady like Ea aka sweet Pea pinky Toe.

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She's pretty much had the best seat in the house.

Uh literally from watching the classic age of hip hop unfold in real time. Uh, the hip hop that's effected our lives as a key staff member of the Latin Quarter Nightclub, which, as you know, if you're a listener of the show, we cannot stop nerding out about. Uh. Of course the Latin Court nightclub that made stars out of Luminary's like Public Enemy, booking down productions, Uh, Salt and Pepper, Latifa, many others. Uh, even to our place in history. Uh as an Avan Hall of Famer.

I have to say, what's the Avian? The Avian Avian? I believe it's the adult video av.

And now I know, yes, I watched those awards.

Okay, yeah, but oh those are the only awards you watched. Okay.

Well, she's one of the most celebrated actresses in the adult video genre. She's also a radio host, of recording artists and art photographer and many more that we're going to find out today.

We are going to get to know Heather Hunter.

One question, So wait, wait, wait, before we ask you anything, Stee, what the hell was up with your voice?

What do you mean y'all live together? Yeah? What's the what's the name of that place?

It's everybody?

Is that a building?

And that's an important forty third and eleventh in Hell's Kitchen over there, and.

That by Freddy. He's living in the same building.

It was a new building when we were there.

It was like ninety one ninety two or.

Something like that, and a great building.

Yeah, it's great, really nice. INDI so, and I don't expect to remember me, but I had a dalmation back then, and you might remember I was the only person there with the dalmation.

Wow, in the elevator.

And yeah, during my like Riverbank Days party, I was a party queen.

Well, you should knocked on my fucking door.

It was crazy. Oh my god, they kicked me out. They build up for too many parties. Yeah, damn. How many guys have the best store mat?

What floor were you on?

I was on the forty third floor?

Wow, I was on twenty three.

Wait is this when you were This is before electric ladies? So yeah, just five years before you were even an engineer.

It was like ninety one ninety two.

Yeah I was. I was right out of college.

What kind of money, right, Yeah, now I had two roommates in a one bedroom all right, I'm not rich anyway.

So ever, welcome to the show.

It's a pleasure to be here.

Yeah, so I know this, this is one of these shows in which.

I wanted to be absolutely not even Wilfer Lee, but absolutely ignorant because I want to find out these things in real real person, in real time, not a real person.

Uh so you're from well, I know that you're from the Bronx. You were.

I was born in the Bronx. I was raised in Harlem and Brooklyn. So so when I lived in Brooklyn, that's really mostly when Okay, downtown Brooklyn had Albi Square Mall, so yeah, so I used to hang out and Albi Square all all of us used to.

So did you know Haitian Jack.

I knew Haitian Jack. I knew everybody. I used to have lunch with me and bis Market used to share the same lunch table all the time.

Oh, I hear that at Alb Square Mall, every hip hop liminary tells me that Haitian Jack did his best work.

Yeah, the Alb Square.

For those I believe that Haitian Jack and hip hop Folkalore was one of the the Jesse James of he has.

I think he's well.

People were telling me that he had a collection of like Everyone's chain, that he ever like slick ricks chain and it.

Was cast that collect it was wold even the lee patches back then. Really yeah, back in the day. Yeah, you said limited back off the jeans. It was crazy doing crazy stuff. You know, collect those as well, but inside I'll be square. Literally, it was like a melting part of talented people that were going to birth from hip hop. It was you never you know, that was like our lunchtime. Everybody was down there. We would just

We drove born born in the Bronx. Yeah, raised in Harlem, but really grew up in Brooklyn, right, and.

Grew up in Harlem too. I was really I'm really uh wait. I went to in the city when I was younger. I went to Catholic school, so I was at Pelletier, but then I went to Fashion Industreet's High School. I got kicked out of there as well because I was doing too much graffiti. So yeah, I was just tagging up all the walls Miss forty five.

Really.

Yeah. I was in a crew called the craft Work Kings back in the day. Yeah, so I used to tag with everybody on a train. I used to go down hoait and skimmahon and jump on the tracks, go into the train yard, New York, real, New York, real, for real, for real, man, everything my name would be everywhere. Yeah, I was rolling back then during the same eraw of bo with the dot in the middle Lady Pink dyamite one. So I was in the crew of craft work Kings, like yeah, oh shit.

Did you ever have any like scary spit moments?

Was a spit yes, y but still yeah, you know, chase from the cops on the yards literally throwing everything, had to clean trains never stop.

So how how how does one man we're killing so many birds with the stone here.

Because how would one get act? Well?

I know now like security isn't wasn't as heavy backman as it was now, right, I mean now you can't even you know, you stand in front of the turnstile second and like five cops run up to you. But like, how does one even like even manage to go inside the tunnels too without.

Being back in the days in the eighty nineties, So all there was was like that little gate, but we would just jump right onto the track launch you didn't touch the third rail, you were good. And at Hoyt and Skimmahorn that's where all the trains would be, uh sitting the C the D you know A and that's those are really the numbers I was tagging.

What was it about that particular spot because I also.

Know that everybody went there when Michael Jackson shot the bad video, right, they shot at Hoyt and skimmer Horn, Like everyone's like, that's where you got to shoot that.

That's the realist, because that was really that's to me, that's where street art whenever you jumped on the train, that's for all graffiti artists. It had this something about Hoyt and Skimmerhorn. That's where you would go at least. And then there was another yard up in the Bronx, but I didn't since I was in Brooklyn. I was always tagging in Brooklyn.

So was it still regional to the point whereas like Brooklyn people that mess with you, you wouldn't go past your neighborhood or.

Oh yeah, we're free to tell me fighting tagging on each other's different crews names than you're fighting all that? It was crazy? Was I was a real tomboy. I'm still a tomboy, but there's a you know, I've grown into a lady, as you would say, you know, but it's that tomboy and it's a hard you know, it's in me. But it's amazing. If I think about the stuff I did when I was younger, I would not be jumping on no train tracks, like god, I can't believe I did that. But I was expressing every day.

So yeah, damn, So you knew.

And it's crazy because I was like so most of the kids that were in his class. You know, it was because we were.

You know, so he was a teacher.

Now he had a program for juvenile delinquent and say what he calls that could not stop you know. His program was really to help kids understand and create themselves, create art, not on de facing property, but really showing another place form where you can kind of express itself. And it worked for me, Okay, it really did.

So ed Kach developed like an anti graffiti kind of So you'll have to clean the trains.

Had clean trains.

Damn, how do you hit that off the train? What do they give you back?

Then there was two different ways you had to do. Before it was like this this chemical stuff and we had to scrub, you know, And then it got to a point where they had the sun, the sand blowers, the paintment moves blow, yeah, the blasters. It would needs to be at least about ten of us in the you know, cleaning trains. At least. I remember when I was clean trains.

So when you were younger, you wanted, you had aspirations to be an artist or a designer.

Well, I knew I could dance, I loved hip hop, I love music. I just knew I was creative. So I was trying to express myself in any form as possible. And just like anybody else who's an artist, you know, you want to get your stuff out there.

So were you there at the park jams?

Any yeah, any notable ones of of memory at least in the Bronx or in Brooklyn. I don't know like Brooklyn's true history. I know about Queens And.

Most of the jams were mostly because I lived in Four Green, ok. So I lived on the other side of Fort Green from the Four Green Projects. So a lot of jams happened with us within Four Green Projects. That was pretty much like my my life in it. But if I can't you know, my god, I got in so much trouble in that park. Let alone just blow jobs. But I got in trouble, you know what I mean. I'm sorry, you know, doing it in the park, doing Four Green Park. Oh yeah, that was right park.

Yeah.

So, but oh, Dodie Bassett was so funny, Like if I think about just where I grew up, you know, because they were in Fork Green Projects, So I lived on the other side where you consider it like Crookling, you know, like the movie Crookling. So whenever I would like date somebody in the projects, oh my god, to fight so many girls to get over to the projects. So I knew for so long of being so young, I knew oh dirty bassiad for a very long time. So when I got into porn later in life, oh

Did you take a one eighty where I assumed that you didn't look the guy like you really have not aged.

A bit since I first seen you.

So I'm just saying that the image that we have of Heather Hunter, you know, the goddess had the Hunter, was that not your image when you were in your teens or Yeah?

I had that image, But then I guess I oozed it was just oozing sexuality from me. You know, I had this energy. I guess I wore flat top, I rocked the chili e haircut. You know, I was in my own little vibe. But for some strange reason, yeah, I ooh sexuality.

Wasn't it like a moment? Was there like a moment.

Do you remember because you said you were tagging you were tomboy, So were you still you were still had that sexual inside you.

It's more when my boob started growing, guys started looking at me different and things started different. Puberty, I know it, but you know, I think my traumatic moment took me a left turn and I went into the streets. I kind of ran away, so most of the people that I was still doing music and focusing. I was really kind of trying to find my way of what I wanted to do.

What was your traumatic moment?

I got raped? That was actually the first time I lost my virginity. So that kind of from that moment. When you're in this childhood and impact like that happens to you, you kind of get lost in translation in every form which direct, you know. So I think after that situation, I decided to I think any woman that or anybody who ever gets raped, the most important thing is to take control of it and really find a way to empower yourself through it. So I went into

Was it in between the traumatic event and you going into the industry. Was there any like love situation like did you have did you fall off somebody? Did you have did you get the love making process? No?

I was searching through the love through the adult business because I started stripping at the age of sixteen. So that's what makes it deep about Latin Quarters because when I was running away, I didn't have a place to stay and there was this guy. I used to go to Latin Quarter at that time, you know, always Latin Quarters, and I realized I needed to stay somewhere. And mister Goldberg, God bless his soul, the owner of Latin Quarters. He really took me in him and Eddie Bell, he recipes.

Like yer random. Yeah, it's very weird.

It's like he had some management business with somebody else with David Copperfield. So all the calls would come in, I would take the calls. Things would happen like that. But then he realized I didn't have a place to stay.

I was wondering, like if ever one night he was just like, yeah, stop by the club.

Yeah. I wound up living in Latin Quarters for at least two months.

You lived there, I've heard that. Everyone says, yeah, hell, they used to live there. I didn't know that you literally literally.

An apartment with a kitchen.

Now see, people don't realize about Latin Quarters because you know upstairs and going up towards the attic. Latin Quarters. If I could remember, the history used to be like this beautiful like cabaret club back in the days, restaurant cabaret club. I think it was even brand Thory. I think Italian off. I don't know if I can remember the history. But when you went upstairs in the attic

Life back in the sausagezz day.

Yeah, sausage Jazz days. So well, a lot of people stayed there. The security guard used to look out for me there, Okay, I can't remember his name, Such a good man.

So when Paradise and those guys started, I guess the first party was Celebrity Tuesdays, right, So when they started those nights, I'm just I'm not weirded out because I guess the same people that tell me these stories of quote back in the day also the same people that today thirty years later have sort of.

Just made a just made eye of New York.

Now like it's gingrified and you know, forty second streets all Disney fired and tourist out and.

Not as hip as it used to be.

But you know, I have to I mean as a person, I grew up an extremely sheltered childhood. So to me, it's like none of you were worried about the danger element of that.

Night club, not even the owner.

Like the owner wasn't at all like worried about like any any danger element happening, you know.

Because it was danger every night, yeah, pretty much every other night. It could be nice if we had a good night, you know, it would be a point.

Where so good night would would be what like, no one got nobody.

Got beat up. But then you'll see gold chains flying in the air because somebody yanked the gold chain off of somebody. They would throw it to their boy on the other side, so you can see it from the DJ booth. Somebody get yanked, they throw it and throw

You know.

Let me interject, I'm gonna do a very special version of for one second. When you hear this, what is the very first thing you think of? Now, I've heard people tell me about this, but when you hear this, what's the first thing you think of?

So Daddy O told me what I didn't know. Now this is weird.

Now as a member of a hip hop man, this is my calling card. Like, oh, a classic hip hop song?

No, no, what's the word on?

When this ship was played at the Latin Quarter, you instantly.

Yeah, that was like lost your chain?

And yes, whenever anyone like for people when they hear that role, it's a traumatic thing.

It's in case there's a band from Brooklyn, I go steps, step by steps. So when that drum roll happens.

I found out that it's it's traumatic to some New Yorkers because.

That would mean that robbed. You were about to get robbed.

If your chain was stolen, you gotta be you're definitely had a buck up. There were certain songs that would go off in the night and you would just know this is this is what turns them up, you know. And and yet y'all still played them and.

And you went so at No, at no point where was your life in danger or anything?

Well, do you me personally? No, because everybody protected me. Everyone in there, Like literally between Paradise La Mumba, I had every from the X clan to Professor Professor Yea, even my boy from Public Enemy. Every everybody teddy ted, all of them. They all were like my big brothers. They no one dared not to touch me. It's it was, it was this is a one crazy experience. I was working the door. This is when L L COOLJ first came out. Yeah, I love l Let's start off with this.

So was he trying to holler?

I was trying to holler. But then after you know, it was and you gotta but you gotta think about it. He's l L. Every girl wanted l L. Back then.

He was coming strong.

But I was a different type of chick and my man worked. He said the security. And I was young girl, and I you know, like I said, all you have to do is say security in it with me. It was this, Okay, the most remarkable moment I remember of Latin Quarters int when Public Enemy performed. Really, oh my god.

I'll say, you're probably the only person that has a positive view of this, because even Chuck himself was like.

It.

It was so intense. It threw everybody off. And I think at that time, to me, their presentation, everything that woul puppic Ennemys stand for and just they staged for presence was to me gripping, you know. And I think you know, there was always confident this. You know, everybody has confidicent what they thought was hot on stage because they weren't on stage. Everybody was getting an opportunity to be on stage.

You know.

Well, let me ask this. Can you describe Melly Milons?

Can you describe Melly Milk, because again and all my and all my research of Latin Quarter folklore, Melly mils If the Latin Quarters were the Muppets, then he.

Stalin like the two guys in the balcony were like for Grumpy, Yeah, like was.

Were they like the first guys in the club and the last few guys to leave, or like, what was their presence in that club.

Well, it's so funny every between Grand Massive, Flash, Mister Broadway, all of them. To me, it was just funny because like back then that era, especially with hip hop, it seemed like they were every artist was dressing like a male stripper, you know what I mean.

It was like another member of Earth, Wind and Fire.

And it was it was like everybody came out to shine. So yeah, everybody stayed to the end. Some people would leave before the end because that's when a lot of things would pop off at the end of the night. Uh yeah, and those lights would come on and off, on and off, on and off throughout the night. Music was shut up, something happened. Lights back on, lights back off, music still going. Uh but I said, they missed the Broadway.

Pants, and you're.

Still the eighties, you know.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's to me that that time and ever there's nothing like it. I've never experienced anything like that club before.

Was there a historic hip hop occurrence or something that you remember where it was just that besides publicain me, like, was there one moment where you felt I mean, because a lot of things historically happened. Man, I think what hammered got booed there? And Valve Revenge? I just found out they cadn't play. Also, uh, their initial group.

I can't remember. Yeah, I can't remember. That's company too. I remember, I remember to check it myself. I just love the fact that you too are going down. You're not gonna find it on Google built two hype.

It's like high energy or something like that.

No, it's something.

But as that incarnation they got booed and they came back as kitt and play.

Who were the IOE You dancers?

I was in the IOU. I was the only girl in the io you really, So what.

Was it like? Y'all were just a click of dancers that.

I forced myself in that group, really, I really did. Uh. And then even with rock Steady Crew because Crazy Legs, you just teach me how to dance, so I would be on a dance world with Crazy Legs. But they were all boy group dance crews. A lot of dance crews back then, and I you of the best they would dance a lot for mostly the artists background, and then they would do like different segments in between the shows. So they were pretty much like the house dancers dance crew of Latin Quarters.

Ye're here, Like every week they would invent They literally invented everything from yeah, cabbage fast to everything the rebox to you know, didn't play the felile like oh wow. They literally invented every dance that you'd see. Man, you know, it made it national.

So do you remember the last night of the club, like what ended the Latin Quarter?

Honestly, I really it was really about Goldberg was selling it. You know, he had to sell it. He was just going on for his own. From that point, I was in the adult world at that point.

What year was that?

Oh god, around what time was that? I think I was by nineteen nineteen years old, eighteen nineteen eighteen, Yeah, eighteen, that's when I was gone because that's when I went to LA But yeah, after my eighteenth nineteenth that's when it started changing over the point you made before. The most specialties to me was the most special night about Latin Quarters was when Scottlanrox wake. That was the most peaceful, touching night that I could ever remember of Latin Quarters,

I heard that?

Uh, I guess Paradise kind of wanted to change the Paradise was the the promoter, right, the promoter Paradise of of the celebrity Tuesdays?

Was it always on a Tuesday or any other nights?

It was on Tuesdays, but then there was always private events sometime I was there mostly when I was working there, I was always there, like five days a week.

Celebrity Tuesday was on the Saturday. Actually asked him, with Celebrity Tuesdays on Tuesday?

I just meant, were hip hop Nights only on Tuesday Sunday?

If I believe I can remember, I think Sunday as well.

Look shot at you said, maybe maybe do it?

I met? Was hip hop night only on Tuesday?

I'm in charge of sarcasm anyway, I don't know what the hell?

Well, yeah, what what I'm what I meant to ask was, was I heard that Paradise implemented more the the afrocentric phase of where hip hop was going to with the Medallions, with ben Boda's presence there, with the Zulu presence that he was actually responsible for that and was kind of trying to phase out the the gold chain violent side of hip hop due to Scott's death and now trying to implement more afrocentricity, which is pretty.

Much how so was Paradise. Was he a producer face like he wasn't one of.

The Paradise was literally, my god, Paradise between Paradise with gold mister Goldberg, he handled a lot of stuff for him, the handle he banished a lot of stuff. And then he was a promoter. Uh there was a few promoters so now yeah, also but you know you had read Alert and Special K and ted Ted. They were mostly the regular DJs in there. But yeah, between Paradise was the man. He was a guy and he really that was like that's like my big brother Padise. Oh yeah, definitely.

Ah, I've seen this got you.

But it's one thing and I taped on something that's so different between now versus the Latin quarter era with the girls in the club, you know, as when I was growing up in the club. Even this genres even like so all of them can even definitely can relate to this. We were B girls, do you know what I mean? So it seems like the B girl had that era versus now, we had so much respect. They treated us like they gave us respect. The men in hip hop, it was like they put you on a

So when you graduated New York or did you what did did you feel like that you were outgrowing New York?

Like what called you to Los Angeles?

Porn?

Don't avoid it, just get it, don't avoid it, just get it.

Just don't you just wait.

Talking about talking about you.

I was like, just get out the Latin court and go into them because that's where she went. That's where she went.

And then when I got back, it was when I got back then it was a tunnel, you know.

Yeah, different, it went from that was my era.

It went from Irving Plaza to tunnel and things were changing. Now. You know that was my era too, because I did a lot. I was a promoter a lot for tunnel. What didn't you do?

So let's tackle that issue.

As like, all right, so you you go to Los Angeles, Like, how did you How do you get into the industry?

How does one get into the.

Industry, especially when the time here that you were in the industry. You know, I'm certain that porn is probably one of the most racist cultures of all time. Like the titles I would see it was like again like fried Chicken and fucking all that, all the stuff in mind No, like nah, I got my uncle, like Ray Victory and barc Fine three like it was.

Yeah, So how.

Do you navigate your way to the status that you became because as far as I'm concerned, like you were, at least from my point of view, you kind of were equal billing of the white actresses of the of the time, right, Yeah, you weren't doing like super derogatory.

It was because I had a really good manager. He had a magical idea. When we kicked me off.

The magic like, let's treat you.

Yeah, let's not tell them what your colored skin is. We're gonna put your first movie out and it's gonna be Heather. And it was like we're gonna ignore that. You're no, no, no, I'm saying, as in, when you're doing promo, before you're doing promo to put out for adult like promo goes out. So the whole team was like throwing out Heather, Heather, and then my face was so shown. And then that's when I started standing up for everything.

But what what's promo?

And the adult world back then promo adult wore was like okay, uh A v N. When you had the A B n's back then, so they would give flyers, you promote things. It was mostly like street teaming stuff, you know. And then you know, the Internet was only created for porn back then, so if you were on the Internet at that time, you knew exactly what was going on, at least with in the adult world, you know. And then I stood up for every right from there on, I refused to be treated I want to be treated

You know, how old you when you did your first movie eighteen eight I did it on my birthday.

Wow, what was October first? Okay, yeah, that's.

What was the first? What was that experience? Like, just your first time on camera?

Oh, it's crazy. It was really crazy because I realized how wild the people were in the business, you know what I mean. And I was like, wow, this is crazy. It seemed like I danced through it like I was kind of like an out of body experience, you know, do you know what to expect? Like I had no clue. And then when this girl pulled out this back then, it was really no dil though. She put out one of these big massages. She was vibe you.

Know massage, yes, yes, expenses.

Yeah.

That was actually the first time I actually was with on cameras the very first time.

So the first time was with the girl. It wasn't with the guy.

It was no, it was a guy. But it was my first time actually having a girl. Oh okay, I mean I was attracted to girls. It was my first time really going all the way in.

So I mean, how are you not self conscious about it?

Like I'm pretty sure that some part of porn is scientific, as in, okay, stop cut.

We need this angle right here. And you know.

There's no manual to guide you through that or any training. So how do you just you got to catch on quick and man.

Yeah, yeah, honestly, I say, you know, that's why the difference between now how everybody's really over top with their sexuality and not really understanding it. When in the point business, you really have to be a professional. You have to have that professional state of mind because if you don't and you just dip in, you can lose it along the way, you know what I mean. So oh yeah, I could lose it a long way. So you have

But did you know how much of a freak you were like that age?

Yeah?

Yeah, yeah, because you still have to become more of a freak, you know what I mean, Like eighteen freak Heather is different than ten years later.

I'm more freakier now, but I'm a domestic freak now. I got a man, you know, I'm home, you know, you know, but it's a different it's different dynamic now. But I think the older you get, you get more freakier, you know.

Yeah, yeah, I'm looking at you to leave this conversation.

But what is the difference between sex on camera and or rather, how do you differentiate between sex on camera and like you say, like domestic sex or sensitizing?

Yeah, like how do you how do you how do you have?

Like you is it like you have a scene with somebody and it's like, oh, great job and let's hook up later, or.

Is it just a line? It's like that was that? And now?

Well that's the thing. When I was in porn, I only dated porn stars males that I wouldn't date somebody out I call y'all civilians. I wouldn't. Yeah, I wouldn't do it because honestly, I was like, why you want to date me doing porn? You know, because I wouldn't want to date me, you know. So I had this thing, now date male porn starts, so yeah, I got to pick all my men because I work for Vivid, So it was yeah, we would go from there and then we would have awkward sex in front of the camera

So it is acting. How much of that is acting?

Oh, it's acting. It's hard.

How can you act with your your body has to respond?

No, because it's like, okay, perfect example, I was watching a porn. I just had this discussion with somebody. I was just watching porn and like I say, if I meet a guy when I was single, if I met a guy and he's like wants to pound pound, he's doing everything like a porno movie. And no, it's like that in good you know. No, No, no, it's not good because like when you're watching the porn, even when we're having sex on camera, we got to speed up

A whole new generation that watches porn and repeats it and yeah and all.

And they ain't even they ain't need to go now I see.

Yeah, I know.

You said so disappointed.

Because they're professional entertainers. That's what we're doing.

That's a problem. Men watch porn, they think sometimes No.

It's not that you know, is it.

I would imagine that for the male performer, it's almost there's a bigger pressure to instantly performed, because I mean, women can fake orgasms like no body's visually.

But now they got viagra. Like in my eraror it was hard, you know. Now the guys are just yeah, I'm.

Just saying like just like on que, like okay, let's hurry up.

Yeah, Ray victory, perfect sample. He could not come unless you had red high heels on. Shut it. Yeah, he was banging so much. He could not come. He did not care who you were. I remember I had a scene with them and I had my little you know, because I was so very girl. Next story, I had my little skippies on.

He was like they ain't gonna get it.

That ain't gonna do it. That's not gonna do it. They had to go get me. Yeah, red high heel.

I was gonna say, I'm kind of like the the the yoga era of porn and this whole like what was the yoga era?

The yoga era? I mean, I mean they have different things. They have like a lot. It's always the same back up, Like.

It's like it's either the pizza delivery scene, Oh.

Okay, set up, Yeah, I just oh, now there's yoga class or.

In my head, yes, yes.

I don't know. The sports gym look is not.

Oh, it's not hot, it's it's not personally sexy to me, Okay, but.

You know it's love who.

Yo isn't just to get get you out of your your whole you're going into it? Isn't porn one of the one of the only industries where the men is inequality between the men and the women in pay where the men get paid less or is that yeah.

The men get paid less. Certain guys, if you're a star guy, you could probably make more money than the girls. But if you're in gay porn, they make more money. They make money. Take like the women. Yeah, so it's you know, I have a lot of colleagues that are in the business that I've been out of the business for twenty eight years now. I've been retired, so it's

So mentoring a little bit, how do you mentor a little bit?

My whole life is a question every day, you know, My every day is you know, uh, it's interesting. It comes to my my uh rings on my phone every day, questions everything. So I think the business itself and I still and I think people look at me and I'm not anti porn. You know, a lot of people think, wow, she's not porn, she feels. My only view about porn is I just really wish that they would practice safe sex. How was that bothered? Well, I left because I wasn't gonna.

How thorough are they as far as making sure that I had my papers and I'm tested and there's someone always on the set that's like okay, let me and someone could lie about it.

Detroit.

Yeah, yeah it was Darren James was him.

It sounds really I think I just knew that he went to Brazil and he got infected. I know that the industry had to shut down for a month or so, Like who who are the police dogs that enforces that?

And like in the age that it.

Is now, that was so crazy.

It's almost like pull out your iPhone.

It's impossible to. I mean, you have your set companies that still the the protocol you take get tested every time you do a movie. Uh, these people still choose to. They don't want you to wear condoms, but if you want to, you have to really insist it. Sometimes you won't get hired because you just want to wear condoms. So I was a Vivid So I was contract girl, So I was able to wear condoms if I choose to.

What was that the highest owner back then? Like to be a Vivid like.

Now, oh yeah, even to this day, to be a Vivid girl, they're still yeah.

I mean Kim and ray J took them to another level, right, and then it just went back that was Vivid.

That was Vivid r R.

You said that alacrity, that was the empire built.

For like yeah, that was the Kardashian empire. Yeah, and that was probably.

Be a Vivid girl. I always will. It's something that I'm not gonna, uh forget up my life because it was they were a great company.

Were your peers as nice to you and or that thing? Or was it like was it Caddy?

As far as I know, all my the vivid girls. I was cool with one I punched in the face. Who was that? That's hilarious.

You just want to know what she is the one?

It was one I punched in the face.

Who you have punch? Who was?

I'm not going to say, why did you have the h what she do? Uh? We were all on set waiting for her, all the vivid girls, one step waiting for I was really sick, and she decides that she showed up like four hour She went to go get her hair bleached, and I was sick. And then she came in just like I could do what evan, what you're gonna do with it? Not just softer? What you going to do?

Did she still do the same?

My Keisha came out and that's socked and and then they said they sent her home and I finished the shoot.

You know, her face was fucked up. Her face was fucked.

After that, she began like she really wanted to be my best friend. From there on.

She didn't want to get posted.

It's funny, it's funny, but yeah, no, everybody's always respectful. We were like the Brady.

Bunch, say for.

The environment you grew up in as a New Yorker, and the time that you grew up in as a New Yorker, You're very nurturing and not necessarily like usually there's a hard exterior or a defensive exterior, and most New Yorkers, I know, like I haven't. I've yet to hear you say what happened or like any brook when sort of terminology that lets me know that you're like you've been.

Through ship and lived through ship. Dead ass.

But that's that's when I said, Keisha, come, that's my middle name. That's when Keisha comes out, you know what I mean?

Wait a minute, what is your real name?

My name is Heather Keisha Hunter.

Okay, what made you go into your real name?

My father he said, be proud of your name. You have a powerful name.

So when he found out you were doing Paul, what was his reaction.

He was like, he was not shocked. It was more or less. My father always I could rob a bank, and my dad was like, she's the best bank robber. You know. I could do no wrong in my father's eyes, which was beautiful because that helped me, you know, you know along the way.

You know, let your mother in the picture as well.

Yeah, my mom too. My mom still don't get it. She looked at me like, what did you do so get it? You know, she still don't get it.

Do you have a large family? You have cousins a huge family because you are the krim of.

I mean, your name is pop culture reference in many of hip hop's rhymes.

Is it weird for your cousins or whatever?

Like to like, how well my sisters I have to you know, it's interesting my younger sisters. If you saw my younger right, okay, yeah, my younger sister. You know, I knew it was going to be hard for them because they're both beautiful, they attractive. But what I loved about them they were raised so strong, good head on their shoulders that no matter what comes away, or if somebody was like, oh you have to have a sister or something, they really handle it. You know, they never

What about all those those mcs that you mentioned that you came up with Latin Quarter, Like, at what point was everybody well receiving of your career or was anybody like, all right, let me come talk to you in a corner.

You know, I have a few, like a few. Thank god. I've been the same all my life. My character, everything about me, I've never changed. So you have a few people that have thrown off. You know, definitely a few people have thrown off. But then they got used to it because I think it came with the respect that I already had within my community, my street, my friends. It was just already there. You know, I really respect people.

And something just hit me right now, like literally, when she said that, something hit me.

I'm sorry it sounded like it. Wait a minute.

I don't know if you know this about me, Heather, but I am probably the third most knowledgeable person of anything.

Soul trained, Oh my god, so trained danced.

Yeah, I believe that was I was going to say, like, even then, I didn't put two and two together that that was you.

Yeah. I wasn't porn at that time.

Wow, I was going.

To say you were on you were a soul trained dancer as Heather Hunter.

I snuck in on the line. I used my mother's name, so I got online. They let me in. As soon as I was on the floor. I guess because I danced like I'm New York. They were like, oh my god. And the Asian Grove the long hair, Yeah, she was retiring and I had long hair, so they immediately threw me up. So now I'm up on stage, I'm like, oh, this is this is great. My boy who had the cane? I forgot It took like about five shows for I was going to.

Say, you were only on for seven episodes? Yeah, what happened?

Eric Cassim, who was the manager, who was the possession that he knew after he realized, it's like, oh my god, sat the Hunter, you know, and even Louis point to the cane. Oh my god, it's Hell the Hunter. So they kind of hid me from from Don Cornelius for a while and they threw me down. Eric kept throwing me down the soul train line. Okay, let's gets you down the soul train line. Let's get you down. We're

I bet Pam Brown it was Pam brownk.

God was wow.

Don was like pulled me to the side. When I came back next time, he could not. This is how great this was because I would see Don at Stringfellows at the club in La So He's like, who is this girl? How did she get into Stringfellas? I'm there with Marvin Gaye Jr. And all of them, and how is she in here? You know? And then it clicked and he found out who I was, and then he couldn't. Uh,

It was a train.

It was me Peter North. Yeah, it was really good.

Was it a train involved?

No, It's like I.

Don't think she means like.

Ah, I don't know that. Do you have do you have an did you have a no list?

Heather?

Did you have like? Oh? Yeah, what I get break it down?

My low list was not past three people. Okay, I think.

Three guys are just three girls and guys did the.

Three guy thing and I didn't. It was just too much. I didn't do anal. I still don't do anal. You know.

That's like.

It's okay, you still under yeah, you know, just really she wants to do it.

She can yeah, after her being when you were under contract for Vivid at that time, what was the stipulations? Because I mean, could you dance on soul train or could you do if someone do a movie like a not a pornograph movie but like a regular movie.

No, I could do anything.

You could do that.

I was just an independent contract. Even though I was on a contract with them. You're understand, just six movies a year. We would bang out the six movies and just one month, so the whole year, I'm pretty much what I want to do.

And so for doing six movies in a year, that was enough for you. You could survive off of that financially.

It was adding to the part of touring.

Yeah, yeah, I was touring so okay.

And by touring, you was dancing in clubs and stuff. Oh yeah, gotcha.

Yeah, the money is sweet. That was hard to give up, you know. But now I make clean money. I call it clean money. It's not clean and it I call it non kinky money.

So when you announced your retirement, was I don't.

Know what was it taken seriously by the industry.

Is it always like you'll be back?

Because both of them cannot get out of the soundtrap of of that industry for real?

No, I did it, Jasy, I No, I can't came back. Yeah I did it, Jacy, But no one knew I came back. Yeah, I came back, and I just privately signed a contract with the Vivid and I gave them I think four more movies, okay, and then I completely stopped. So it seemed like it was part of the same eraror when I was doing films. But I just really came back into a couple of films and I was done.

What was it that made you get out? When you got out?

I was done the HIV the Yeah, I was done. Yeah. I didn't want to catch anything I couldn't get rid of like.

That, you know what I mean?

Or die, you know?

And then when you made the comeback, what was it that shifted when you came back to that brief time?

I came back for money, honestly. Yeah. I came back because I had a purpose. I wanted, you know, there's certain things. I was buying a house, and that's why I came back. Is when I came back is when Tupac passed away. Tupac told me to come back. After I did how do you Want It video, he convinced me to move back to LA and a couple of months after that he passed away. So I was in LA and I was just like, okay, let me.

Know what was now.

That's the time when I started to visit l A, and l A was a hot territory as far as the height of death Row.

Now again, I mean, if you survived the tunnel, I'm pretty.

Sure that there's no place that you're afraid.

You can handle death Row if you can survive the tunnel.

But I mean the environment was still hot out there as far as tension and where hip hop was at the time, and beef and all that stuff. How I mean, what was it like for you to see him pass away? And I knew that you two were good friends. So now that the Tupac film is out, like, what are your feelings about his legacy and what he bent as far as the industry is concerned.

Asle that's a lot of layers. I think, Oh, man, this is when I Tupac always kind of like I

Was humanized to you, yeah, human dimensional to you.

Yeah. And even the Yeah, A lot of things are touching for me, even this movie. You know, I think it's a beautiful thing that they did of Tupac film. Uh, but I don't. I think it's too close to home for me, you know what I mean that I don't, I don't, you know, it'll take me a second to

It was just where your friends were Big as well, were y'all cool?

Yeah, Me and Big later down the line we became friends, you know. Yeah, I'm very after that video, I said, after the video, like after the park video, it was.

Almost too close to BIG's death.

So but it's just sad, you know, I you know, to see hip hop now and just to see people not really acknowledging history, and at least to me.

There's generations culture.

Yeah, you know, I really wish that we could turn back time, but it's impossible, you know, So we just got to learn from here and try to educate as even if they don't want to hear it, you got to push it down and force it down their throat, you know.

So right now, are you indifferent to what hip hop culture is now? And do any of hip hop's current luminaries do they acknowledge you and your your existence?

Or is it like what's the environment like for you now?

Is it just like, you know, well, I'll always be hip hop you know inside me?

Ho today?

Yeah, what they call hip hop today? I think, you know, you have some good stuff. I think back in the day you had more. Everything about hip hop was wonderful, you know. So now it's like certain people I like certain people I don't pay attention to. I listened to a lot of old school stuff. I love Kendrick Lamar. I think he's cool. You know it is there's a there's really not anybody moving in the unless I hear a song you know that goes, hey, this is who is that?

You know?

So you're not on your app every five seconds?

Like let me get I'm a prince head, you know.

I really love that.

So the truth And I like music honestly. I like music that makes you take your clothes. Yeah.

Friends, Why the book is name Insatiable?

Yeah, it is one of the and there's a character in the book named Martha that yeah books. This is actually my first, but I actually have a whole collective series that coming out that I'm working with editor. Yeah, okay, yeah.

Because it's interesting is you're writing these books, but then I'm hearing your story when it in regards to hip hop and it sounds like there's a lane there that you can I mean as well as well as what you're you're writing. But do you ever think about that, like really going over your life story as far as the hip hop lane and things?

But that's the book you really could read that. It's like an urban Bookie Knights. It's Q, isn't it about?

All Right?

So speaking of BOOKI Knights, how I always now I have to ask a formal point star to get how authentic is that movie?

Or like how true to life is it?

That movie was touching? Yeah, you know what I like about that movie show that the dark versus always glorifying things, You know what I mean?

Uh, do you think we glorify it too much as a society?

Now? Yeah, to the point that ten year old girls are ready to be a porn stars and they don't understand that. It's like they're not even born to be that, you know what I mean. It's like we're forcing it on them. And that's where I kind of I'm really about anything that's adult. I like it in an underworld. I like where we were at. You know, so you're segregated.

You're not for these apps like the porn hubs, the back to get off.

Though you said you're trying to get off.

That the only one I'm trying to get off though, I'll go to my together.

I think you're on some of those though. You know that, right, you get your money?

Can you watch yourself?

Yeah?

But do you watch with the critique?

Like crazy? Even me? Yeah?

So what is like? So? What is to you?

What are staples of bad pornography? Like something that the average viewer would never even know?

When a girl looks in the camera. I hate that? Okay, Oh that bothers me. You know. It's like, if you're gonna look in the camera and you look at me while you do say my name, and if you can't do that, then don't do it. I don't like when you're watching a video you know, I don't. I don't like when the girls look like they bored, like they look like they're thinking about shopping while the guy is fucking them.

See now you would, you would critique it like we critique music.

So it's mhm where you know, like someone's phoning it in from home, or they could have did that verse better or that sort of thing, right, someone can you tell them what to look for to know that someone's not into it or they're not into it.

Or shows you yeah, because it shows that you know.

Some game, Like how what are some of the tales we can see? Okay, she's bullshit and then well she's real, like she's really enjoying it.

Pussy has to be wet.

Okay, you can't even real quick And.

Just nowadays, I know thise porn and we've been watching porn, right baby, watching poor lately. Yeah, we've just been watching a lot of porn.

Porn.

Even with the porn, it's like some of the they don't do that anymore. It seems like nobody's losing lub. So back in the days, we used to lose a lot of loop. But they're not doing it.

How do you know they're not doing it?

Though, because I'm watching I've been watching it lately and I go, Okay, what.

It looks like?

Yeah, because I'm like, can they just pause tape.

And then edit?

You know, there's no pause and tape?

Okay, Nay.

How do you feel about the rise of amateur porn like people just you know, making homemade porn and putting it out there.

That's the point that, honestly, I feel it's dangerous really just because you stop being regulated health wise, you know. And that's where I say it's just out of hand now because us you got Mom and Popper companies opening up and no one's really.

You know, yeah, your iPhone is a port, yeah going.

Hey, we should these people should be tested and stopp being it's enforced. It's not happening, you know. Yeah.

Housewives parties, Yeah, yeah, that's this whole category.

It's kind of crazy.

When you talked about some of like the darker size of it, like the Boogie Knights address what were some dark parts for you?

No, you know, it's it's too it's too too dark. It's not about dark, it's just too personal. But put it like this. I was on the set and something happened and I really didn't understand why no one was so sensitive about it, you know, and I got really upset and I kind of flipped out.

Something happened to you, or something happened just to someone else, or just one something happened to me, you know.

Is okay? Well out of the ass? Well?

Can I assume that this is more of a cultural understanding, because again I don't know.

Okay, let's let's be real. I'm gonna be real with you. Could I say it enough? Wait? Does to sound stinky? I was on set, you know, and I caught my menstoration on set. Oh and it was a woman director and they want to continue doing the scene. Huh. And I'm looking at her like, what is wrong with you? Like everybody looking at me like I'm crazy. I'm like, I'm bleeding. Is what's wrong with y'all? And I'm looking at all these people like, oh, it's nothing. I'm like,

Flip on her getting the shot and it.

Was really really you know, and then I was just like, oh, this is really nasty. This is that. But it was like little things that would build up to go, Okay, this is not for me anymore. I'm really kind of I'm I'm taking things too personal now when this is a professional business.

You feel me when you got when you got out, and you were saying earlier that you know, when you were in porn, you only dated porn stars. Yeah, so then when you got out, what was dating?

Like, woo, immediately I got married. Someone scooped me up and married me.

Got So, how long you guys got married?

Yeah, immediately after I got up poorn, I think. I Yeah, I dated him for six months and I was married. Yeah.

Oh and this is your I mean no, that was a long time ago.

No.

I was like, I was twenty one. I was twenty one, so I was only married for a year. Yeah, great, guys, but you were tired. Didn't know what I was doing. You know, great man, a credible person. You know, we're best friends to this day. But I was just too young, you know, I just got a porn I've never really had a real relationship before, so I was really and

So then once you guys got divorced and you went, I guess you started dating again.

I started dating. What it was like getting on a bike and learning how to ride and falling off a couple of times, you know, until you got it right. And you know, I think I think even now, I'm forty seven years old, and I got it right nine years ago, you know, with my man now, and I finally could truly say that, you know, I'm really in love and I know the difference between love and lust. You guys, I hunted him down, I found him. I found him online.

But it does work good. I'm doing that now, so that's good to know. Yeah, it's all right. You have friends in the room, because.

It is not really the thing anywhere.

Around its impressed with his talent. So that's how we met.

I pressed with his talent.

You can't just leave that out there like that.

You gotous.

Is he you work industry as well?

Sleep online?

It was amazing, it was sponte.

Yeah, so that's first one in anyway.

I couldn't like to stroke.

Uestion. I thought it might be a DJ.

You mentioned that in your You mentioned a minute ago about working with a bad experience working with a woman director. How many is it common to see women working behind the camera or not behind the camera, behind just behind the scenes in general and porn like that.

It was very rare, very rare.

Back then it was very rare. Now, yeah, there's a lot of women that are behind the camera. But back then, that's why I was thrown off.

I'm like, yo, was that a woman of color? Did you went through that way? I was curious?

No, no, Well, after your you're standing in the.

Industry, criologized afterwards.

Yeah, okay, well all's well and as well. So after your run you signed the.

Tommy Boy Records? Yeah Island Records than Tommy Boy?

Yeah okay, yeah, so what Yeah, at that point where you're trying to figure out, like, okay, what am I going to do for the rest of my life? Were pursuing pursuing pursuing passions or like what are your passions.

I'm just just.

What are you passionate about now?

Like what is your well I know that you're deep into art photography, and like what are your passions now that you're you're pursuing now your bucket lists.

My books, you know, writing my photography books. I love shooting, so I have the photography business at my studio, and my documentary is important right now, I'm about to do my documentary and then the book that you're in that I have called The Unforgettable, I'm still working on that. So I'm closing out a lot of products right now and.

The documentary of my life.

Yeah, I'm ready to talk now. I'm actually really expressed with I'm very private person.

And you're directing it yourself.

Yeah, that's kind of weird. Well, usually I'm having someone produce it, but I'm okay.

I was going to saying, like just to have another voice in.

The room, and I'm having somebody produce it. Yeah, but I'm putting it out as my own production. You know, I told myself and I said it not too long ago. If I'm going to sell my soul again, I want to sell it to myself.

You know, you felt like you said, your soul doing poor.

You sell yourself every day for any you know.

I sold my quest Yeah, and I sold my soda Pandora.

My soul is not for sale.

Transfer her now let me know in the next Luminati meeting. Send me a minute.

When when do you when do you plan on wrapping it? And what would the story arc be of your documentary?

Uh?

And how much will you reveal to us in this documentary of your life?

A lot? Okay, especially for someone who doesn't talk, so you know, you're not I have an idea's a lot of.

So you're doing me a solid right now, or she's just not saying.

No, I don't even do that many interviews you know anymore?

Well, thank you.

No. I feel whenever I feel comfortable and it's a vibe I do those type of interviews, I feel it, and I yeah, there's so much about me, you know, I hold so much inside me of so many people's lives, even my own, you know. But and it's so much

You know, did you have any children?

I have a step son right now.

Okay, yeah, anything uh like you that you I.

Don't think it would be I have other questions, but I don't think it'd be appropriate.

I just asked the question.

She's self policed in himself. That's that's I am.

Because also I'll respect the fact that you've moved on and you've been retired for twenty years.

Talk about so we can talk about like, h okay, let's fun.

Let's y'all gonna have to exchange numbers.

We keep it on.

Blow listening to this is not listening to this episode with Jackie turned it off real quick, jack or Miss Jackie keeping on with tail the mirror that you turn it off.

I wanted to well, I was going to ask you about the evolution because you talked about blow jobs.

Oh my god, I just and so I just wanted to know. I want to get advice first, and it was interesting to me in the evolution of the blow job, right, I know, Superhead and she who Superhead was a big thing.

I don't know if you remember, but the two handed thing or whatever. I just wanted to talk about that.

Talk about I always thought she should have been superhands rather Superhead.

And how did you feel about that?

Because she had she did use both hands, but she was called superhead, you know what I mean.

I don't know if you ever.

You know, I actually never watched her.

Like I think when she left it it's like she says she's.

Been watching porn the whole time.

I just, you know, to me, Superhead wasn't poorn. You know. She was just a girl who just gave head. So I didn't really look at her as a pornal stuff.

You know, do you have any new girls that you like? A new guys or girls that you like?

I like Missy Stone, Okay, I really like her because I like when a girl is just bouncing and having a good time and just like she's enjoying that dick.

You know, she's gonna ask you like favorite position situation that you like to watch?

Yeah? I like dog. Okay, even now with the you were talking about the double hands, Yeah, but even this way is even double hand. It's just that's so traditional That's why it throwed me off that that was like a big you know, what is non traditional?

Heather?

What is non traditional? If it was not non traditional, it's just a regular stroke. But to me, that's well, I guess I don't know. It's just for me. Is about suction.

Okay.

It's like if a woman could really create her mouth as a penis pump, then she's learned her technique.

I'm sorry I had to take that in.

Okay, think about it, Winds.

Think about.

Here's another question.

Is there something that you because this is man, I wish you could really just advise and write a book on the list of things. Is there something for the blow job outside of your own natural hands, mouth.

Or whatever that you would advise to help get results?

You know some people Okay, I know this might sound antiquated, you know, but I'm gonna go Altoyd, I'm gonna go Ice, I'm gonna go you know.

I don't know about.

That was Bill.

I didn say pop rocks.

This is we're on the blow jack. I need to put Is that a crazy question? How that that was crazy?

I should I said, so, so what do you use other? Yes, there are there other things that you can advise to help.

With the America requards.

No tong row.

He she has me stuck. I feel like I have one in my mouth right now.

Tongue roll, because I learned that the tongue ring, the tongue ring is not a guarantee when this is what I had one in college.

That's really more of a male, a.

Male, goddamn tongue.

You wasn't looking in my mouth. No, I had it for like two years.

But I mean, it's not for wolves, Okay, I don't even think it's about what you use. I pouring Loube in your mouth is a great thing, but I really think it's very important to think of your mouth as your vagina. Thank you. And if you can't master that, then you're giving the best head possible, you know. And I have to go back to being a good girl now because my man is in here and you know.

Trying to figure how I'm trying to figureut how to make my mouth? How do you make your mouth?

Keegel. Look, I'm taking over right now. I'm taking over my own.

I have a question. It is actually kind of warming here right now. We briefly touched on on your music career, and I think we should get back to that. Your first releases were house music.

Right, house music.

Why didn't you start out with a hip hip hop? Yeah?

At that time, I was really passionate in house because I was hanging out most of the house clubs and yeah, I was performing. And then Cookie Gonzalez came in saw my performance at Red Zone, and then I got a record deal and then we figured this. At that time, house music was big, you know, dance music, and I did really good with that track, hit the Billboard charts

Was that was that before you did the Premo Joint? Or was that was that that same album?

That was that was before and then wait joint?

Yeah? Yeah, I thought you said that, Like no, I thought you, like I did not know. Yeah, your website, so I figured that you probably would have.

Seen you shot a video for that one, right you guys we shot.

A video for the so Serious, So sincere I think, yeah, but yeah.

In this industry wrapping.

It was called freak Like.

I'm sorry, prey bo I always teach them about and.

That's back to that's my boyfriend. Back at OQ, so I had a lot of people, all my friends wore support. They really want to see me do something different with my life. So whenever I want to do something, everybody like, come on, let's do it.

That's dope.

So that's how I kind of have been very successful as well in because I've gotten a lot of support from a lot of my friends that are hip hop pioneers, artists.

Everything you know was mainstream film, something you ever wanted to do.

Or I did a couple. I just made sure I was in ones that I really wanted to be in. I did American gang stuff.

But you didn't have any You didn't have no desire to be like you know the next.

No, okay, no, what advice would you give or pointers would you give to any girl point stars now that are looking to transition and get out the game, which is something that you've seen have done really well.

But well, you have to give it up completely. You can't do both. It's impossible. Because they were telling me that, you know, I was trying, and then I got it. I realized I said, Okay, maybe I have to stop all the way completely to really be taken serious. But then at the same time, I'm still expressing myself in a you know, an erotic way and everything I do. So you just gotta be real with yourself. It's just like,

So when you stop, you stop everything walk away.

I had to stop because I knew there was nothing going to change if I didn't. And then thank God, you know, family friends, I just have a good support system. You know, I'm good to people, so it's a blessing that they're good to me. You know, it would be dope to see you get back in the talk show game. Do you ever think I'm gonna do a radio I'm gonna do a podcast shows. Yeah, I'm thinking about doing a podcast.

You know.

I'm just I get up and I just thank God, blessing, and I'm so appreciative that I can get up and just be myself and figure out what I'm gonna do the next day. You know, I'm at that point in life where nothing really I think the old I've gotten even just more success and just changed and I just don't really sweat. I just kind of enjoy life because you know, I'm learning as you lose people, it's a lot of people dying. You know, you realize you just

So just just maybe we might have our seventh member of the Team Supreme. Anyway, Hunter, I want to thank you for everything.

Fun I enjoyed you. Can I just say something? When I saw you at Brooklyn Ball, Yes, I thought it was adorable because I was at my my security guy and he was like, what are you doing? You're going straight up the DJ boof what are you doing? I'm going to say, hello, what are you doing? You're gonna You're not gonna know you what are you gonna do?

Yeah?

Yeah, pointed on him and at first he was like, what, oh, you know what I mean? And I just you know, I met you years ago. I don't know if you remember with Scott and Philly when you were in the studio. I forgot that Scott was Yeah.

I forgot Scott was in my group, damn.

So he's really good. That's why when he was like, I know I know him from you know, so it's really a pleasure. I'm glad you want to come over here because this was fun and it's always going to go talk about lack quarters. That's that was life.

Well, I think you is there anything that you've learned this episode?

Bill, I'm I learned like he's a closet freak. Yes, I don't think it's closet.

I want to I want just looking for a suitor.

Uh, all right, we're gonna find we got to have a fine like and and and unpaid.

Bill.

Oh no, he's good, he's good, he's good, he's good. Damn.

I guess I've just learned. You know, you just kind of you know, just hearing what the story. Uh, just the thing about just listening to yourself and just kind of knowing when it's time to walk away, like when something just ain't if it's not feeding you no more, and if it's not, you just feel like, nah, I'm past this. And then also I guess giving yourself permission

Want to do, you know what I mean? So now that's it really is.

And you know how crazy this world is now, So just gotta be proud of who you are. I'm proud of every aspect of my am.

She's really a big Prince fan.

It's a chapter in this book called Erratic City.

I'm a huge fan.

Yes, you are? You ever get to meet him?

Yeah, I'm saving that story. Yeah, that's going to my doc. That's going to my document. Actually, do you like.

Steve Dalmatian?

Steve, I'm sorry, yeah, no, I mean you're really lovely and cool.

Thank you.

I found it interesting that the nicest person she met in her life was named Goldberg. I learned that talking about blow jobs with Lightdy in the room was as disappointing as I.

Thought it was.

You could have added said something.

And I have one question. So if you're on forty three, I was on twenty three. If I heard you were having a party and I came up and heard the music, I knocked on the door, would you have let me?

Oh? Yeah, okay, Ship.

Everybody was coming people come from the.

Floor except for Stephen.

Okay, yeah, I have nothing raunchy.

I actually I learned a few things I was to say. Number one, I learned that it's dope that if you are a dope individual and you demand respect, you will continue to get it. Because I just think that's amazing that all those men, those mcs, no matter what you did, respected what you did and respect who you were as a person, also thought it was dope that you've done

Yes, yeah, should.

I should have known that?

Find it.

I've learned that we could never let light Year get the last guy you.

Word on my shelf.

Ladies and gentlemen on behalf of light yea who might be back next.

Time or might not?

Or the twenty third floor who was Bossville fan Ciccolo, Unveville and have the Hunter.

This is quest Love, signing off. We will hopefully see you on the next go.

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