¶ Intro
Hello , hello my unicorns , welcome back . Oh my god , it's been six , seven months , I guess , since I last released any podcast episodes for you all .
I'm really excited to start the very first episode today , with Jeremy , of the new Naked series , where we are getting naked literally and figuratively , getting vulnerable , talking about insecurity , and I'm really honored that you were my , or are my first guest for this show .
Thank you , I am very honored that you asked me . I really appreciate it .
Of course Okay . So I think we should do . We want to tell everyone how we met , cause that is kind of fine , it's just . It's not a big story , it's just funny Okay . So my very first pride here .
I was walking around and I knew that I wanted to start go-go dancing and bumped into Jeremy who was looking sexy , dancing on the box out in the middle of the street Shaking his thang , and I was like hi , I'm Alex , can we follow each other on Instagram ? Because I'm new here and I want to start go-go dancing and I want tips .
That's how I remember it . Yeah it , yeah , I mean it's pretty accurate . It's not much more to like hey bitch , I want some money . How do I do this ?
got any tips on stripping down to my underwear and just dancing for everyone ?
yeah , you just take clothes off , get on a box and move .
It's super easy it's , but you also have you taken dance lessons before , or something ?
I was a professional dancer for like 14 years . Okay , well , that explains it .
Yeah yeah , because , like you , I think you really set the bar pretty high here . I think that's full . You're full of shit for that one . No , when you dance , you dance with like it looks like real moves .
I feel like when I dance I'm just like this feels nice you're like I like the way this , let's go with that one right , it might look bad but it feels nice to me , so I've seen you dance .
It doesn't look bad okay thank you , I didn't . Yeah , I'm not . I mean like general , I have no idea if it's like great or not , I just know that it feels good .
Yeah , I mean it should feel good to you at least . Yeah , I think if you feel good and you feel comfortable , other people are going to feel comfortable . Okay , so number one of the day there you go .
If you feel if you feel , if you feel good and you feel comfortable , other people , I feel like in our heads we want , we think people want us to fail or like fall on our face . But really it's kind of like um , it's like a public speaking class . You want the person to be good , so then you don't have to sit there and cringe .
It's like the the same thing , you know , like , oh , if they're good , I can just relax and we're good , and so I think that kind of translates into dance as well .
One of the things I think that you have done really well , that I've seen you do , is connect with the audience really well . Yeah , Because I know when we've danced at Moe's before you've had people that like come there because they want to see you .
Yeah , I mean , there's kind of , when you do it for a while , you end up getting your regulars , and I think that that's an important aspect that people don't tend to think about when they go into it .
It's like they they fall in love with you , for you , and it's also like taking the time to like show appreciation for the tip you know , like hey , thank you , I really appreciate it , like what's your name ? And kind of being a little bit more , it's not just dance , you know yeah .
I think it's like that , growing that interpersonal relationship in that short period of time .
Yeah , it works .
I think yeah , it works . I think , yeah , definitely .
What lessons do you have you learned through go-go dancing ? About being confident , being in front of people . That could apply to anyone .
Um , I think the the thing that I've learned the most is kind of like get out of your own head . You know , like you kind of stand in your own way and you put limitations on yourself and there are times where like , oh , I had a really big meal or something and I don't feel confident up here , but that's all , like it's all inside .
You know the calls coming from inside the house and you kind of just have to be like no , I'm not doing that and push forward . Searching for that validation .
Yes , that can be really easy on , like Grindr or any of the apps to get a quick validation through sending a nude or receiving a nude or just being quick and flirtatious . But and that's great , you don't need to stop that .
But also there's a different kind of satisfaction that comes with being yourself and having people notice and appreciate that , and you can't get that if you are not willing to do the most uncomfortable thing of being vulnerable and authentic , 1000% .
I fully , wholeheartedly agree with you . I danced with the ? Um RuPaul's drag race work , the world Queens Cool Um on tour and we went to Europe for like three months and , um , we had an opportunity to dance at the uh Wembley arena .
So there's like over 8 000 people there screaming fans , like it was like , uh , such an amazing experience and part of that was because in my dance career in la , you know the agents , the people booking , the choreographers , the assistants everyone is kind of telling the gay men butchch it up , you know , make it more masculine .
Um , cause , a lot of what you do at auditions is you learn you know eight , eight counts or something , um , and then they want you to freestyle . So it's like , can you do what we want you to do and then show us who you are ?
But if yourself is feminine or an aspect of it , um , you know , a lot of times you end up getting cut , even if you did the choreography perfectly .
And when I was on tour with with work the world , I was in fucking like pink patent leather heels , yeah , like these massive shoulders , like wearing things that I personally in my own daily life would never wear .
But it was a celebration of like different and a homosexual like homosexuality , uh , just like unapologetically gay and out there and like kind of in your face .
Yeah .
And there was an aspect of the show , um , you know , at the end each dancer kind of comes out and you know , at the end each dancer kind of comes out and you know everyone's here to see these queens that are like famous . But I came out and like I do , like I can flip , so I would tumble or whatever , cool , okay .
And then you know people would like go , yeah , yeah , yeah . And then , like I would just like look and like go , like you know , and 8,000 plus people I get chills thinking about it . Oh , my god , you've got goosebumps . But I went behind .
That was kind of towards the end of the show and after the curtain went down I just went backstage and like wept , and it was just one of those things of like . I will never have this opportunity to do this ever again , to perform in a show . That is one of those things of like . I will never have this opportunity to do this ever again .
To perform in a show that is celebrating who I am authentically and for me to present in a way that is so authentic and be celebrated for it and make money while doing it like good money , um , and I think that that's like one of those moments that I will take with me . I never thought that I would see this day .
This is the day when I was a kid in my mirror . You know , looking and being like this is what I want to do with my life like it finally happened , yeah , so that was like yeah , thank you for sharing that it was pretty cool . That's really special . It was really special from my perspective as an audience member .
I love to see it like show me the duality . Like , yes , I can see physically you are a tall , masculine looking person , sure , but if you can express something different , that juxtaposition is really nice sometimes and I think having that duality is really cool , okay , so now um , let's get .
¶ NAKED Game
Let's get to the naked part of the episode okay , all right . So the way this game is going to work is we are going to first survey , sharing something , um that we feel insecure about , then the other person is going to take a moment to validate us , and then we'll take off an article of clothing . So we're kind of flipping the whole like strip poker .
Stripping is not the punishment here , it's the , it's the gift , it's the benefit . Surprise , we get to be more naked and vulnerable with each other and with you all . Yes , so , um , would you , do you want to go first or second ? I'll be bold , I'll go first . Okay , great . What's one thing that you have been insecure about or are insecure about ?
Let's see , I think , my size , of my stature , I'm a very average height , I'm five foot nine and um , you know , I've heard girls , I've heard guys talk about , oh , I need a guy that's like six foot , six foot two , you know , and kind of not feeling enough in that sense and coming into the realization that like I don't need to be , I don't need to be a
certain thing to get the attention of people that I also have an attraction to Um and it doesn't make that those things are not going to make me feel more powerful . And I think that's such a good point , Like and I think you know we always think grass is always greener .
But the good thing is , like tall people like you can go to the gym just as much as me , but your muscles are longer , so you're always going to look leaner . Yeah , and I am five foot nine . We can gain the same amount of weight , but mine are shorter and they're going to stick out more . And , like being a skinny kid , I was like 140 .
Oh yeah , I was super skinny too . Yeah yeah , skinny kids unite . We're so oppressed . I honestly did feel very insecure about being skinny too , because I was like , what are people going to ?
I thought that my lack of confidence was because I wasn't physically strong and I felt like , oh well , if I look physically weak and I am maybe physically weak , then I'm .
That's why I'm insecure it wasn't .
I got really strong .
It didn't change anything yeah , yeah , I mean , I'm just saying like I still visualize myself in my head as that skinny kid which is . I think it's good honestly like remember where you came from , kind of a thing .
I think that was very valid and also here's the part where I get to validate you .
Now , okay , I want to say that , though maybe you're physically shorter than I am , you you have a presence about you and when you're in a room I I have never , ever thought you know , he's kind of small like you have a very um that you just you take up space in a way that's really confident and authentic and um empowering .
So maybe physically , but not not spiritually , mentally , emotionally , you're a big boy .
I will take that .
I will absolutely take that okay , all right , so you all can actually just pausing us real quick you all can practice this at home with a friend , with a partner , with a partner with a lover , whoever . It's so healthy to be honest and forthcoming about our insecurities , and if that person cannot validate you , they're probably not a safe person for you .
If they can validate you , then that's evidence that you can trust them to go deeper , that you can be more vulnerable with them . but we first start by little vulnerability validation , and then we can get more vulnerable , and that's why I invented this game this way 10 minutes ago just on the spot , you just want me to take my clothes off .
I just want you to take your clothes off , so what do you want to take off first ? Okay well , let's do this , let's do the shirts . Here we go . I've seen that before . Look at my Instagram . Um , okay , well let's do this .
Let's do the shirts . Here we go . Okay , I've seen that before . Who hasn't Look at my Instagram ?
Right , okay , cool . So now I have to answer the same question . What am I insecure about ?
Hmm , hmm .
Okay If we're going to go physical . I think the honest truth is I still have insecurity about my like dick size Cause when around other guys that are so much bigger , I definitely get in my head about like , oh , I should be bigger . People are going to want that and I know that not everyone's just into like gigantic dicks .
Um and it's so easy for me to like encourage other people and be like who cares .
Just be yourself , um .
but the honest truth is , the narrative that happens in my head is um .
I'm way harsher on myself , for sure , oh yeah , yeah , I think we're all our own worst critic . Yeah , I think we're all our own worst critic , yeah . So I think we all kind of fall victim to that , because I do try to lift up people as well , but you kind of have to be your own champion .
And in order for me to validate you , I need to say like it's not all about size . I personally am not very invested in how big a man's penis is . I honestly find if a guy is big and he has like a like what you , what people , would term as like a smaller than average , I find it hot .
So it's like that opposite where cause it's like like again the juxtaposition yeah , um , and I think it's . I think it's like interesting and endearing and sexy . It's not , um , it's not about . For me , it's not about the size and yeah , it just never has been , because I can relate , I think all men can relate to is like am I big enough ?
yeah , I've talked to porn stars that are like it's not big enough , and I'm like girl , how big do you want that to be ? You're gonna need another pant leg . So are you sure it's not ?
yeah , sure it's not big enough . Yeah , yeah , so yeah , I don't think you need to be worried about it . Thank you , okay , I will take off my shirt .
I feel very validated and can I give you a hug because that was very like very validating . Thank you , of course . All right . Next question I want to know this is not a I don't know if it's that vulnerable , but let's do a lighthearted one . What's your favorite part about your body ?
Hmm , that's okay . Favorite because of what like ? Is there a specific reason ?
No , just something that you're like . I like this about my body .
Um , I think body , um I think okay , it's gonna sound stupid , that's okay , um my nose yeah yeah , you do have a very like perfectly symmetrical nose .
It's a very nice nose , my nose reminds me of my mom .
Oh , like we pretty much have like the same nose and it's kind of like round and um , yeah , I like it just . It kind of makes me feel connected to my family yeah , I think it's cute I love a cute nose yay , I love it .
Okay , for that you just get to take off a sock , because that wasn't like horribly painful . No , no , right , okay , same question . I should be careful what I say . It doesn't have to be horribly painful to say in order for it to be like a worthy , vulnerable chair . Um so okay , let's see something I like about my body my thighs .
I got genetically blessed somehow with like thighs are very like , easy to to build . Even though I'm tall and I don't know , I love my meaty thighs .
No , they're fantastic yeah .
Thank you . That's also why I got these tattoos here , cause I thought it was a really fun place to like show them off .
Yeah , um , yeah , there's also like more significance , but you know story for another day .
Okay , let's take off the socks , can we ? Can we ? That wasn't that sexy , all right , cool , do you want to make up a question , or should I look at my list ?
No , let's go , let's see what you have . Okay , let's see .
Okay , go , let's see what you have . Okay , let's see . Okay , what have you learned recently about your own ?
sexual pleasure , or your sexual , your sexuality , okay . So , um , I have learned that more recently , like I do still harbor internalized homophobia and that has to go into the aspect of topping and bottoming .
Okay , yeah , um , because I think that would like my generation of , like I'm , I'm 38 , um , where it's like when people say , oh , I'm gay , but I'm not that gay , or I'm like , I'm not that kind of gay , um , and I think that a lot of that internalized homophobia has , um , withheld me from exploring all aspects of the gay experience , especially when it comes
like into the bedroom . So bottoming for me is still something that I'm like working to get into because I want , I want it all . Like , why can't I have it all ? If I look at porn , I am not thinking less of the bottom , I am not , you know , thinking anything negative .
In fact , I kind of had to come to that realization of like , wait , I actually I'm jealous of that person you know , like I've never had the eyes rolling in the back of my head kind of like oh , like that feeling , I mean yes , but not in that way um , and like as a gay man , I identify as gay .
Um , I think it's important to kind of like when they , when people talk about bottom shaming , like it's hard , it's work , it takes a lot of preparation which you can say over and over , and then when you have to do it , then you kind of realize like wait , no , no , no , like this is a skill , it's a learned skill , it has to be practiced skill and you
kind of have to yeah , it's , it's harder than it looks well , I just want to validate , like , thank you for sharing that .
I think that that's something that's really common in the community and I just really admire you for being vulnerable here and speaking up and saying that , hey , this is something that you're working towards and , um , yeah , just appreciate that . Well , done , done . Thank you , you're welcome . Do you want to take off your other socks ?
Do you want to take off your pants ? What are you going to go for ? Let's ? I mean , you tell me what you want . Let's do socks first . Why would we be just in underwear and one sock ?
I mean , it could be a . Thing .
We could make it a . Thing .
We could totally make it a . Thing .
Okay , my thing that I have been working on and I think that I've gotten a lot better at , is boundaries . Sexually , I for a really long time had a really hard time saying no to things . So if somebody else wanted to try something that I knew I didn't want to do , I would just do it to please them .
And then I would regret it afterwards and I would feel a lot of shame and I would feel I would have like a really nasty dialogue to myself about like why did you , why did you not stand up for yourself , alex ? Like why did you let them do that ? Or why did you agree to do that when you knew you didn't want to ?
So , yeah , yeah , boundaries , telling people now and , um , yeah , it also makes exploring new things feel a whole lot safer . Yes , when I know that I don't have to do it and I can say you know what ? I'm no longer feeling this at any moment , absolutely .
Yeah , I mean you can say yes one moment and if you decide to say you know , this isn't feeling the way I want it to , this is , I don't feel comfortable , you have the right to change your mind and vocalize that and say , hey , I don't feel comfortable with this , I'm not ready for this .
I thought I like I wanted to try something new . It's just not the time . Yeah , yes , well , thank you , I appreciate that . And with that , off comes sock number two . Oh , are my feet clean ? Um , okay , let's see . What else do we have on the list here ? Oh , okay , I really like this one . So I want to do that . Okay , tell me your favorite position .
Without telling me your favorite position like describe it , or like you can't say okay . So if your favorite position is um reverse cowgirl , you can't say reverse cowgirl , but you can tell , you can describe it , you can describe what turns you on about it , what you like about it , how you feel in it .
Yeah , okay , so I'm coming from the perspective of the top , because that's where , yeah , the majority of my experience being able to see a guy's chest move up and down with each thrust I love being able to kind of direct where the legs are or where the feet are , if they're away from my face or in my face or and being able to like lean down and kiss and
hold and hug and you know , kind of like like grab the neck and hold on a bit and like get that , you know what I mean . Oh , I think I know what you mean , yeah .
I've never had sex before .
No , oh , you should try it .
All right , show me after . Okay , oh , my God , I'm picturing it . Can you name the position ? I mean ? I think you're talking about missionary .
Yeah .
I love missionary too . I think it's overlooked it is . Yeah , I mean it's overlooked it is . We're just spreading the seed of the Lord . If you believe in that sort of thing , yes , okay , love it Hot .
I think it is overlooked because it's so normal or basic or whatever . If it functions like , if it functions well , that's what I want to do . I don't think something needs to be overly complicated for it to be sexy . No , you know .
So it's like I like being face to face , I like seeing the like , the bottoms reaction and like I'm going to base my actions off of the reaction I'm getting . If I'm not getting something , I'm not not doing what they want , and it's kind of like okay , take the cue because it's not all about me , yeah , yeah .
Well , I love that . I think what I really like about that , too , is the connection and the intimacy that happens , yes , when you're not looking at each other in the eye um .
Not that anything's wrong about us there are other positions that are super hot but to me , there's this intimacy that happens , this unspoken connection and communication that can happen just through eyesight alone . Yes and um . That's what I really like about um missionary as well .
So thank you for your share and thank you , thank you for um heating all of our minds up .
All right answer ? Oh , or are ?
you going to take off your pants ?
we're going to do it together no , well , you , I take off mine , okay , you go for it , okay . So let's see like this however , you want to .
It's hard , it's hard . I need your help .
It's hard , not yet .
Well , you were describing your favorite position , so it's okay .
I mean it might help me .
What do you need help ? Okay , there you go , sir . Yeah , all right , let's see . Can we cuddle up like this , absolutely Okay . My favorite position , which I can't say the word okay it also includes um , face to face . There's eye contact I enjoy . What I enjoy about this position is um , even though I'm in a position of vulnerability , I am still .
I have some power in this position , I have some control still and I can work all the angles that I need to to really enjoy and pleasure myself there and pleasure myself there . And I really enjoy being able to see the other guys' reactions as I change angles or change speeds or whatever .
You're writing .
Yes .
You got it yes . I like that one too , and I think it's a really good position for the bottom to start . Absolutely . You have so much control and so much power of like are you going to be bent over more ? Are you going to be upright ?
Are you going to lean back , you know because and like , really get it in there , yeah , and you can control speed and all that stuff .
I feel like these tops that are like okay , let's go right into doggy style have never bottomed before . No , no , no , Like I need a moment to warm up . So , like the muscle , like physically , needs a moment , Even if it's not mentally , yes , but also physically , we need to stretch it out Like it's the warm-up yeah you're gonna work .
If you're working out , you don't just immediately lift 500 pounds absolutely not .
No , you have to . And uh , I , I , yeah , I get that , and trying to be more versed has kind of helped me with that I love it .
Well , well , have you , have you written ? I have Okay , great , it's a great position and I and I like it . I've actually like .
I've gotten off to on like in that position , um as the bottom , like a few times with my partner Um , and I agree with you , like being able to see the reaction so hot .
yeah yeah , okay , I love it . Are you gonna help me take off mine now ? Absolutely , we'll give them a little show from the back I mean who doesn't like it ? I don't know what do y'all think ? Huh , not today , I haven't . Alright , there we go . Thank you , you're very welcome , let's see . Well , you know I very much enjoyed our conversation . How about you ?
I agree , yeah . Yeah , we want to know from you all what your favorite part was and , um , what are you taking away from this ? So let us know in the comments , for sure , what about you , what's your favorite part of this experience .
Um , um . I think it's a unique thing I've never done before , and being able to both like emotionally kind of , and physically be stripped down and be vulnerable is empowering , and to hear a different perspective is also really nice .
I agree , I agree .
Thank you . Thank you for being here . You're welcome . Thank you , yeah
¶ Heating Up
psych y'all .
We , we wanted to go all the way with you . So we have one more question to go over . Let's do it . Let's do it , okay . So final question , before you take off your underwear and get fully naked and vulnerable , what is your essential turn on or foreplay ?
I think for me , like the essential and initial turn on is when someone knows themselves so well and they can present that , because I feel like a lot of people feel they need to pretend or try to be what they think the other person wants them to be .
And for me , like I don't know , I'm a big energy person and if you are coming at me authentically , it feels different than a put on kind of a show , yeah , and I don't want to show yeah .
And I think for me , foreplay is like the you know , the , the light brush , the , the soft touch , the , the handholding , the kissing , you know , and like you can kind of know how well the chemistry is going to be based off of a kiss , absolutely .
So for me it's like if this goes well , we can you know , and if not , I'm really tired , I've got to go , I got to get up early tomorrow .
I forgot .
Oh my .
God yeah , I forgot , oh my god .
Yeah , I have a funeral to go to In the middle of the night .
Yeah , that's what she wanted .
Respect the wishes .
Yeah , I hope they respect mine . Yeah , love that . Alright , mister . Alright , you ready ? It's time for that final layer .
Yes , so this way , or have Mr All right you ready for that final area .
Let's get some booty for you to look at . Y'all , look at that . All right , now you can lay down and we'll take them off . Okay , here you go . I also . By the way , pa is such a big turn on to me , oh is it I do ? I love Pierce , so thank you for that . Oh , let me not cover you alright .
My biggest foreplay turn on is making out , which is very similar reasons that you said when a kiss to me is that first moment of intimacy where you got to , um , really kind of . I can judge people's energy so much better with that .
Also , if they suck at making out , like it's really difficult for me to like keep going If they're getting like teethy , or this one time I had a guy that like woodpeckered me .
Just no , you're lying Like as like intentionally , like for real .
And I was like what are you Stop ? And I was trying to like slip , slip , let's get a little tongue , let's go . No , that man just , all lip , just , and it ruined the experience for me he thought that was good , that was like his legit , oh yeah he was really , really trying hard . So if you're out there , whatever your name was , it was bad .
Don't do that anymore this was years ago I did not have the courage to tell whatever his name was . To slow the fuck down .
So I just like without speaking .
It tried to get him to . He didn't get the message . It didn't work , oh wow .
That's unfortunate . Yeah , because sometimes you do want to give them the clues and the hints , and when they're not being picked up .
it's hard , it is hard . I have found now speaking up and saying it directly can work , and I appreciate that from other people , so why would they not appreciate it from me ? Yes , but that is scary and uncomfortable , and it's only something in recent years that I've really gotten significantly better at not perfect by any means , but better .
Good , I'm glad to hear that . Yeah , all right , my turn , your turn . Yeah , okay , let's see they can have a little show . Oh , all of this , yes , all of this , all of it . Alright , I know you can help me . This is a very familiar position for me . Oh , I know , right , you're like oh , you can control their feet . Oh , okay , that's stuck .
Yes , oh , there's nothing wrong here . Okay , that'll suck .
Yes , oh , there's nothing wrong here , thank you thank you giving me my turn on and all the things oh , here we are , just two naked homosexuals with our dicks out , just talking about authenticity yeah yeah , it's normal , this is , this is the new normal .
Don't you find that , like when you talk to like a partner or someone , the most authentic conversation happens naked ?
Yes , so we want you to try it out for yourselves and again , seriously , let us know in the comments what worked for you and what you enjoyed about this video .
Yeah .
Yeah , any final thoughts ?
I just want to say thank you , you're welcome .
Thank you for popping my cherry , Thank you for popping mine too . We're both virgins . I don't think we've ever done this before , so I think we did something cool and unique here , I think so , yeah , yeah , all right , y'all , we'll see you later . Bye , bye , thank you , thank you , bye , bye , everyone .