How To Make Magic With Your Partner w/ The Cosmic Romantics

Yes, we can do it.

Okay, let's go.

Let's go. Holded.

He I'm blindfolded once, I'm blindfolded twice, and I'm blindfolded a third time.

There's no mirror behind us, there's no microphones in our ears, because we did.

Not prepare this, kind.

Of like you might have seen us doing our show, Scott. Do you have any random item nearby?

Yes?

He hold it up so that so that I can see everyone at home, all right, and look imagine that?

Okay, perfect, Okay.

Okay, why am I seeing? Is this like a something you can write with?

Maybe? Okay? And it smells kind of good? Is this a sharpie if you're weird like I am? Yes, America.

Today, we have a really special treat for you all. The cosmic Romantics. The Cosmic Romantics have been named quote the Lucy and Ricky of magic, and they first came on my radar watching an episode of Penn and Tower's

Are you okay?

I am all healed now, all here now, But we've been through some hurdles. But I just want to say I'm so excited to finally get you on the show. I adure both of you so much.

We adore you now.

Yeah, Eric Thurston, you are so interesting. You came from Chicago with an improv sketch comedy background. Is that right?

Yeah? Exactly. I was.

Well.

I grew up in the Chicago area and in college all I cared about.

And did was improvment scotch.

I mostly did not pay attention to classes, and then after college moved Chicago with some of my friends and spent three years there. I don't know exactly what I was trying to do I guess get on us an l or something, but that or I don't even know if that was on my radar, but it's all I was really caring about at the time.

You loved it. You were intrinsically motivated. You know. It's funny because I think a lot of people feel like I need to like justify why they do what they do, and like, I've just taken up magic as a hobby and I have no justification for it whatsoever other than it brings me and others July. So you know, I love that. I love that you that's was kind of like your motivation for getting to that.

Yeah.

Yeah, I guess you're right. There does need to be a financial kind of reason behind it. I think I got into improv in the first place. Well, I saw a show at Second City in Chicago when I was a kid, and I thought that was amazing, and I was like, oh, I want to do that. But also I think it was a way to get over a little bit of like stage fright and shyness by doing improv, which should be like the scariest thing in the world. But I did it so much that it no longer

You know, did you have social anxiety ever in your life or stage fright?

So yeah, I'd say I've always had some social anxiety and then stage fright.

I don't know anymore if I did.

I mean I still get a little scared performing, but probably much less than most other people.

I'm going to pivot a second to both of you. Were you both oddballs in elementary school?

Oh? Yeah, yeah, sure it was sure.

It was Yeah.

All of my friends from you know school, They're like, yeah, that makes sense. You're a magician.

I love that. Okay, So when did you get interested in magic?

Then?

For me, well, my dad was kind of magic obsessed, so he forced it on me and my brother and my mom.

We did a little family thing.

But I actually got away from it because it was I found it to be like annoying. I got back into it maybe seven years ago, hare in La, partially because of the Magic Castle, partially because a friend of mine from Chicago was like, Hey, we should do a show together. And at first I was like no, And then I thought about it, and I thought of a way to make it funny, to make us into characters. And then I was like, Okay, yeah, maybe I do want to get back into magic.

Now.

Screenwriting's not really working out so well, so might as well try this again.

Oh well boy, and then we'll get to this fateful meeting with Elizabeth. But Elizabeth, first, tell me a little bit about how long have you been interested in magic?

Ever since I was nine years old. My brothers were born when I was about eight and a half, and I just felt very lonely, especially because we would move a lot when I was a kid, so I didn't have many friends other than cousins, and so I felt really I was also socially awkward because we were never really in one place for a long time, so I would get anxiety going to school. I would cry, you know, before going to school because I felt like I didn't have any friends. But I always felt more myself on

I didn't have still not really.

Yeah, I didn't have anyone to look up to. I didn't know there was a community, so I just stuck with music and dance. And then it wasn't until I was twenty four when I came to the Magic Castle for the first time and I saw a couple of pictures of women magicians. I immediately got the bug again, or I guess the bug never left. It was just kind of dormant. It's called catching the magic bug or getting bitten by the bug. And I just started moving forward ever since then. And before that, I was doing

Point, well, we all hope, so thank you. We're eagerly waiting for it. So you're you're you're obviously you have this performer bone in your body Eric. Eric does too, He's just a little more understated with the performer Bone. He's like, yeah, yeah, and both of your energies together is really beautiful to behold. It's it's it's fun and beautiful to behold, as my dad and I did in Santa Monica at one of your performances. Yeah. So, okay, where did you guys meet?

We were well, we were both you know, magicians in LA, just kind of starting, and we were both in professional careers.

We were both in duos, and we were both Magic Castle members. So the community, the magic community in LA is pretty small. So his duo hosted a show at a place called the Three Clubs, right, yeah, in Hollywood, and they had found out about my duo and I'll let you take it from here.

Yeah, they performed at our show.

It was really fun, and then soon after that they invited us to perform at their show. We were both hosting monthly magic variety shows in LA.

Yeah, so random, and this was back in March of twenty eighteen.

But I feel like both of our shows were pretty popular.

So they were Yeah, they were both really good. I think.

Yeah, we were able to pay the magician as well. Mine was at the Edison in downtown.

We didn't pay our medicians, but we did, but we did give good footage in a great house.

Yeah. Yeah, they were both successful, wonderful.

Well, it's not like you guys got paid billions of dollars right to do that.

Now, well, my goal was to break even on our show. I think you guys made some money.

We made some money. At the time, I had multiple jobs, and I wanted to make sure that the magicians were also paid well.

So I now know.

That I should have been paid more as a producer and all of this stuff, but I didn't know.

At the time. So I think at that time I.

Had like five jobs, but it was just a once a month thing. I wanted to make sure that we had something fun.

So that so we kind of became acquainted with each other's work that way, but we were still just friends.

And then it was after.

COVID and at the end of twenty twenty one.

He's making a story so boring, So.

I just want to make sure all the facts are right.

So my actually correct.

Yes, Look I woke up five minutes ago, okay, so I'm just still kind of warming up for the day and I.

Just came from psychiatry and I have therapy later.

This is a very psychologist talk.

We'll talk about that. We'll talk about that. We'll talk about that.

So my dud was a tiki duo. His was like a comedy duo. And it was twenty twenty when Eric started doing his thirst in videos. They were like thirst trap juggling videos.

I forgot this was part of the story.

Yes, and this.

Is very important, And I ended up developing a crush on him because he was this like hot juggler guy that I you know, he thought it was funny all these girls started coming out of the woodwork and just like messaging him on Instagram and now you can from November twenty twenty one.

Oh yeah.

I reached out to her about just doing a show together at the Castle, and then I think she thought it was an overture towards her. But I reached out because she was in this relationship that I thought was like steady, so I didn't think it would be weird for me asking to a show with her. But a few weeks later she's like, I'm single, and I'm like, okay.

He didn't realize that I tried to break up with him in October and then yeah, so I already had a crush on him, and I'm like, the universe is like calling me and it's telling me to go with Eric.

Yeah.

So she expressed her feelings towards me, but I was not ready to hear that. So but a month or two later then I came back and I was like, oh, yeah, this this seems like a good fit.

Yeah, you're You're so great. You're the type of woman that is just so great for a lot of guys who maybe definitely Eric, but also other like more introverted guys who don't love making the first move always because they don't like to, they don't want to like creep out a woman, you know. So and you you're just very like you strike me as very extroverted and like assertive, assertive. So yeah, that's wonderful. Okay, so now you both are

Oh boy, I'm going to maybe be I'm going to maybe say five or six.

But I'm not inten.

Percentage full percentage.

Oh gosh, tiny percent maybe three percent or something like that. I don't know.

I should look into those numbers.

But I do know that I am the youngest and I'm the youngest to ever be on the board of trustees historically.

Wow, it's pretty cool.

I don't know.

Cool Monil.

Yeah, wait, how old are you?

I have no conception.

Oh I'm thirty three?

Okay, okay, because you're you kind of you have this like kind of like vintage right thing. It's like it could be a very wide range of people.

Have no idea, how well, no idea.

No idea.

No.

If you if you ask me guess I would my range would be twenty to sixty five.

Oh totally No.

I identify as a seventy five year old man and a nine year old girl.

I love that.

I love that. I love that for you, for you, love that for you. Okay, so that that's huge. I do want to talk about psychology for a moment. Where do you bring in you? Will you do? Obviously watching your show bring in psychology a lot now, personally, I'm obsessed with mentalism, the sub branch of psychology, of the sub branch of magic that combined psychology with magic. But you do it all right, You're like a variety act. What percentage of your work do you think you bring in psychology?

I mean, I think one hundred percent at least for me, because I am addicted to psychology. You know, I'm addicted to mental health. And for me, it's it's kind of a healing journey for me to perform magic. So it's not even necessarily for the audience, but it's more for my inner child, healing my inner child.

And I think, wait, wait, like YOUSU said something that was unbelievably funny and you didn't even realize it. You said, quote, I'm addicted to mental health. I feel like that that one sentence sums up your paradoxical personality, which I've observed.

That's hilarious.

You know, I feel like Elizabeth doesn't go into anything half asked.

Is that a percent true, Scott? Yeah?

But then I feel like everything I do is half asked because I want to do everything, So I don't know.

Yeah, but you're right, it's all paradoxical.

But so it's all about healing my inner child and hoping that the audience can kind of connect with that. If you're more vulnerable on stage, the audience tends to connect with you more. I don't know about Eric, though. How do you feel do you put any sort of psychology into Yeah?

Well, number one, I mean, look, there's misdirection. I feel like the scripting of everything, there's a psychology too. I think magicians are even more tuned in than other entertainers in like how is the audience perceiving everything? And so the order of information I give them, the way I give it to them. It all has to be like so thoroughly thought out and constructed. But again, I don't think of it as psychologists think of it as magic, but I think it's it's in there.

But you're interested. You are you are interested in mentalism and some things taken straight from the you know, mental the history of mentalism, some of the traditional stuff. You guys have this amazing telepathy thing that.

You do, there's the psychology of that.

Yeah, trying to pick the perfect person, unless did you already talk about this when I was gone for two minutes?

Trying to pick the perfect, answered a lot of other life's greatest questions, but great.

We actually saw the meaning of existence while.

You were no time to rehash it, though, I'm afraid.

Oh damn well, too short, so away.

I Sometimes it depends on the mood I'm into. But sometimes I'm like, I want to only pick nice people, and I'll literally go to the audience and say, are you nice or mean?

Depending on my mood. But mainly, I think.

It's pretty easy to tell when there's a good audience member just based on their cadence, based on their smile, stuff like that. So I think it's important to be able to tell which people would want to come up on stage. And I recently took a clowning workshop to understand how to empathize with the audience more and how to get volunteers, and how to have the audience immediately like you within the first second, because that's very important.

And then going back to this telep with the idea you know we're doing, I think you're from this act we call it second Sight, where Elizabeth is blindfolded and I go out into the audience holding up objects. Thank you. You know, everything in our show is kind of like fun funny. We don't take it too seriously the way that some monthalists do, but still I think there's a little bit of maybe the way Elizabeth might milk a moment in her interaction as she like has this telepathic thought.

Where you know, we're magicians, and so there's some trickery involved in this, but it's still a little bit of play acting as if it's real, as if she's reading the sound of their voice or.

When in reality, I'm actually trying to sometimes just figure out what it is, and so I need some time to think about it.

So I'll act as if like.

I'm seeing a vision, but I'm like, okay, I need is this correct or is this correct? And so I'll ask certain questions to kind of guide the audience member to what it is. So, for example, I know it's something.

It's all very cryptic because yeah, we can't exactly say what it is that we're doing.

But an example is this, I know that it's something to do with the mouth. I know it's like a mint or a toothbrush or something like that. So I'm like, okay, you have good oral hygiene, yes, And they're like yes. If they're either like excited about it. Okay, that means I'm in the right on the right track. But if they're like yeah, like okay, I don't think it is

I know. And sometimes you you know you're fishing in, but sometimes you hit jackpot and then and then you know, you just take a risk. Don't you have to be bold in what you do?

Oh?

Yeah, I was at I was at one of these event events where you're like keys and you're like, I bet it's an Audie, you know, and she's like yes, And I was like, oh, I wonder what the probabilities are that there's a probably there's probably at least a one percent chance she was going to be wrong there, and she just went for it. I don't know, and you don't have the verifire just confirm that. But I feel like you have to be bold with what you do.

You do have to be very bold, and you have to know how to just roll with the punches if you get something wrong, just move on. And I think that's the that's the most important thing about magic, I think is knowing how to just move on.

It's okay, everything not just magic. It seems like being able to handle rejection is just so huge with whatever your feeling. But you guys get a chance to really overcome that in a way that a lot of humans don't get a chance to overcome that.

I think absolutely, And when something goes wrong in magic, it is, I would argue, worse than almost any other art form, you know, like a musician messing up a note or a comedian having a joke bomb. When a trick fails, it's like you've failed on every level. You've revealed a trick to the audience, maybe you've failed the art of magic. It's tough, but still it is like anything else. You still have to just be like, all right, well that sucks, but here's another one.

So true.

Yeah, it's important to have the things you're really really, really confident in the first trick and the last trick because everything in the middle that can be more experimental and if you, you know, mess up, they'll forget.

Definitely. Elizabeth, you said that you're going to your therapist or today or you already came from with one of the two I.

Came from my psychiatrists and I'm going to my therapist.

Gotcha. So you're loading you're loading up, you're loading up on help from healing, mental healing, we'll call it. So, how has to the extent to what you're comfortable talking about your own mental health struggles? Of course with everything it's today, you know the extent to what you're comfortable answering my questions? But how how has that journey coalesced with your magic journey if at all? Yeah? Is there any connect interesting connection?

There?

Oh? Absolutely?

So. I'm diagnosed with ADHD, c PTSD depression generalized anxiety disorder, and I also believe I have dyslexia.

But that's a.

Whole other journey that I'm going on, and I think it's really important because with my ADHD, it's it's really really hard to focus on one thing, which is why our show and especially my performance is very manic, because it really depends on my mood. Like I said, how I pick an audience member and my manager always likes watching us because my mood changes every time and he's like, Okay, you're more in like a badass mood or like you seem pissed off or you're really happy, and so just

Absolutely, we encourage it.

So yeah, I'm such an open book. But yeah, I had really bad suicidal idea like it.

It was just pretty bad.

Oh it's twelve or two, that's my lucky that's my lucky time, because okay, anyway, that means it's going to be a good day.

So actually, yes, it's true.

Yeah. So when I started going to therapy, I this was about four years ago when I when I really started on this specific journey. I had a therapist to get over an abusive X years ago, but I stopped

Me because I really.

Oh, absolutely yeah, some people trying to sabotage either our relationship or my career. And this has happened for years, and I'm such a people pleaser that I would rather but this is in the past. I would rather not

I mean, that's wonderful and that you've been able to kind of harness it and channel it. I write a lot about the link between mental illness and creativity. In fact, that's one of the most recent posts on my sub stack, is the interesting linkages between the two. Do you feel like it fuels your creativity at all?

Oh?

Absolutely, I'm working on a solo show where I actually talk about the struggle of my mental health journey.

It's beautiful.

Not I'm not saying like, oh, I'm not tooting my own horn, but for me, it's beautiful because when I started, I was also on an edible, so maybe that's why I was crying. But when I was just writing it, I started crying and it was this therapeutic thing. I'm like, I really need to do this solo show. I'm afraid to do it, but I think it's going to be helpful for it so people can see the struggle that I've gone through. But with magic, you know, magic can be considered an art form.

Eric, do you have any issues he wish to share.

No, I'm good.

I think he also has ADHD, but you know that's his own mental health journey.

I had a weird enough childhood to where I'm doing magic right now, so that yeah, yeah, No, there was a I we had a parot hair in La where I was saying a therapist and I found it to be really helpful and I stopped. But I feel like in the time she gave me a good way of orienting how I was looking at what was going on in my life with friendships and stuff.

It was very helpful. So I'm pro therapy.

Good. Good, No, I'm really glad to hear that. How was your mental health you guys were on pen and Tears Full of Us. How was your mental health tracking that whole journey like before and after?

H Well, it's super stressful, anxiety inducing. You know.

We just went on it a second time and we can't no, no, no, no, we just recorded a year. But it was interesting the second time through the first time it was such a high stress preparation process that I think we were kind of like on each other more. We were arguing more that last one, just like over details, and this time I think we just each let each other do our thing more.

As we prepared.

We're learning each other's strengths and weaknesses and being able to let go of certain things, you know, like delegating tests to the other person. I'm better with like social media and marketing and stuff like that. And he's just like a classic style worker. He can just like sit down from for two hours and just work on one thing.

I'm very into the scripting of things and the creative side of constructing the routines, especially when they're from scratch, like what we've been doing on full.

And I'll just have ideas. You know, this and this and this and this.

It is. Yeah, it's good to know when you can let go and not feel bad about it because you know, just letting the other person take the reins on something.

And I think that made it a lot easier this time.

I remember after the first one, I had post adrenaline syndrome. Have you ever had that before?

Oh, definitely, also post dopamine influx syndrome.

Yeah, yes, yeah, I probably also had that too, but I was depressed for days after fool us. I don't know, because I was just so, you know, getting ready for it for months. And then it was done and it was the most amazing day of my entire life. And then there was after that it was crazy and then very common.

Even that was probably less this time to anything.

The post adrenaline syndrome was less, and I guess getting ready for it was less.

But the night before we had to go.

To Vegas, we found out that our rehearsal was like the day the next day, so we ended up leaving at three am to get to Vegas. And the reason I'm even saying this story is because my friend was like, do you want some adderall? And I don't take adderall, but I'm like, I need adderall because I need to pack everything up.

But we have so much to do.

I should not have taken adderall my entire I had a panic attack. I haven't had a panic attack in a long time. I had a panic attack. I was sweating, my face was numb, my fingertips were numb, and I could I could barely talk.

But I know the tools that I.

Need when I'm going through a panic attack, and so I'm like, I have my like meditation room, and I'm like, Eric, i need popsicles because it's important for me to have popsicles because of the sensation of the cold and also the taste having having essential oils, you know, the different sensations having an ice pack on my head. I have an ergonomic chair, I have a little waterfall and fairy lights and meditation music and.

All of those together calmed me down.

So yeah, I feel like I'm growing because I now know how to communicate what I need in the midst of a really bad panic attack. And he's so good at like getting all.

The things from me.

Yeah.

I mean, honestly, you guys are such complimentary energies, right, Like it's like he you know, he's uh he I'm talking about him, like he's not right in front of me. Well he is not technical right in front of me. But uh, you're you're so Eric, you are you're striking very realistic, practical, you know, and uh and get things done. And my gosh, you know it's with a D. D

Oh, yes, thank you, good question. I'm I'm really excited about it. And uh, basically, the book's inspired by Joseph Campbell's.

The Hello.

And our friend John Booker has been gracious enough to kind.

Of like, guys know John Booker? Yes, do you know? He knows every Do you know John Booker? Homeboy, he's amazing.

Out with him a couple of weeks ago. Well, you'll have to we'll have to tell him. We know each other. We all know each other.

Yeah, we're over you with seeing them.

I have a quick anecdote about John. We ran into him at cheesecake factory for our anniversary or something like that, and then he ended up paying for us, but he didn't tell us the waiter. They left and the waiter and he's so nice.

That was very That's called generous magic. Yeah, but I'm sorry, didn't mean it. I didn't mean to interrupt you. But you know he's awesome. Yeah. Yeah, because he runs the Joseph Campbell Foundation, so exactly this is relevant.

He has a doctor in mythology and expert on all things. But he's been helping me too. But the idea for the book is, I'm going to break down the thirteen as I have kind of defined the higher highest order

So what archetype would I be? I'm the amazing doctor Scott is my magician name, and I try to unlock the potential of others through my psychology and my inspiration and motivation. What archetype would that be?

I wonder, maybe could be a kid wonder that's one of the archives. But I think you'd be third Eye, which I guess would encompass what most people think of as mentalists. But basically, you know, so I'm trying to do like a string theory thing like Joseph Campbell did. But basically, the third eye archetype could be sort of like a tarot reader, like maybe you do have powers, or it could be like a Sherlock Holmes type figure

I love that. I love that, And so we won't spoil the other sixteen. Well, we'll have people read twelve twelve. I'm sorry, I don't know why I made that up. I made up a number, but the other eleven.

So did I? And I made a thirteen?

But why did I even say seven? Why'd I think seventeen total? Anyway, I really am excited for that book. Actually, really, hey, look, do you guys, I know you're not prepared for this, but do you want to do a magic trick for me? And I can do one for you? Guys? Do you want to exchange magic tricks or you don't have to?

Yeah?

Yeah, I mean, should we just do some mentalism so we have the audience see what we're talking about.

Yeah, should we try put you on the spot and you know.

Okay.

We performed for Share a couple of weeks ago and I was literally on the spot we found out she was there, and I was like, I want to meet her. And then this guy is like, all right, the cosmic.

Romantics at performing.

I'm like, well, that's the way to meet schaer.

Oh.

We had that full of threat and we did like ten minutes.

Wait, did a spool, I did my School of Thread trick, and then we did mentalism and she loved us and she made me kiss on the cheeks.

So yes, we can do it.

Okay, let's go.

Let's go.

Hope the sells tickets for y'all. Hope the sells tickets for you all.

I'm blindfolded once, I'm blindfolded twice, and I'm blindfolded a third time.

There's no mirror behind us, there's no microphones in our airs because we did.

Not prepare this, but.

Kind of like you might have seen us doing our show. Scott, do you have any random item nearby? Yes, and hold it up so that so that I and see.

I have wanted home all right, and look imagine that.

Okay, perfect, Okay.

Okay, why am I seeing? Is this like a something you can write with maybe okay, and it smells kind of good.

Is this a sharpie if you're weird like I am, Yes, American, Okay.

You know what's interesting is the way you went.

Yes, I'm like, okay, it's going to be a sharpie because I'm sure.

Yeah, like, I mean, I mean, bless you. You're like real, you're not revealing your secrets, but you are giving some hints. So blessed, I mean blessed.

Yeah.

See, you're you're what what How sure were you that it was a sharp I was not sure.

I mean you still you went and you went for it, went for it. Pick one of these cards because people have signed all the whole bunch. So I don't have the full deck here. That's why it's not the full deck legitimately, that's.

Not what you the card. Yes, tell me, tell me.

Let's six of club six of clubs.

I was looking at the six of clubs as well.

Okay, six of.

Okay, six of clubs, right, yes, okay, So let me just put the rest back in the box.

Okay. Let me the reason why the sharpie is I want to sign your initials E and B any E Okay, okay, any any i really didn't write it too well, but there you go. Okay, better than my writing? Is this better than you really?

Oh?

Yeah?

Okay, so let us let us put this in the deck. I'm going to look away. I'm going to look away and put it somewhere in here. Let me tell me if I'm all right, tell me if i'm if it's going Is it going in?

Yes?

What's going in?

Is it in?

Yes?

Yes?

Yep, let's close the box.

All right, my friends, all right, okay, now let's see what would you be impressed? What would you be impressed with? What would you impressed?

If you can find our card? I would be impressed. It's in the deck somewhere.

Okay, how about if I well, no, I can't guessing the cards not impressive because I already know what the what that is? Well okay, earlier I was saying in the show, how I have a magic addiction, right, yes, and so with this magic addiction, I have to take these fucking pills every day of my life. Okay, these pills are are so addictive. The pills are addictive too, But once I finished the pills, I usually can just calm down and take a deep sigh and then I can continue my magic.

No way, I'm gonna no way, it's signed. I'm cool.

Now.

Awesome.

That's really smart, like getting, you know, getting rid of the pills.

What a perfect, What a perfect? There was even more.

That was like, there's no way to get there's no way to get this out. I can't. I can't.

If I'm like, wow, it's very here now.

That would be actually amazing.

I love that's so you too, with the so and stuff.

We got, we got gotta we gotta get together sometimes just do magic for each other.

Yeah are you Are you on the East Coast or where are you based?

I'm in Santa Monica right now?

Okay? Cool?

Yeah, yes, and I go back and forth between here in New York. It's so funny. I got I got accidentally got the pills in my in my drink when I was getting them out.

So it looks like you're gonna have a good day. Okay, I didn't mean.

I didn't mean to do that. I think those pills are wasted now right because unless I yeah, down them, but I can't put them back in the bottle. But anyway, not.

Like a placebo pill. They kind of look like.

They are pabo pills. Yes, they're definitely, they're definitely. There's nothing in them. There's nothing in them. Really, Well, guys, you guys are awesome. You've been described as the Lucian Ricky of magic, and do you like that description?

I love I love that. I can't go. Tway is a genius for for coining that.

Yeah, yeah, and I agree with that description. Anything else do you want to talk about? Coming up? Ada twist? Do you want to talk about that?

Oh?

Yeah, I was on a twist.

I pulled back in my bottle.

Talk to me.

She's one episode four and let's see. I was also in Marvelous in the black Hole. And I'm about to be on a really popular kids YouTube channel really but I'm not allowed to say what yet, and hearing consulted for it, and yeah, because I want to do more magic for kids, not like a birthday party magician, but more like for on screen.

It's super fun.

And I've consulted for the Disney channel. Now I'll get to brag that I've consulted for the really big YouTube channel that we cannot name.

Yeah, there were more we're doing it for. It's a company that has like a bunch of different ips and we're doing five different ips, and their individual eyeps have millions and millions of followers.

So hopefully, but maybe there are some things we can say. We have some fun public shows coming up, performing a Black Rabbit Rose soon and we're to be back at Illusion Magic Long soon doing our doing our full evening show so like to forty minute, like yeah, bringing out everything we got.

And we're wanting to perform on cruise ships, so we want to film these performances, and so we're trying to get a bunch of people to come out so we have a good audience.

I hope that works for you. Have you never done a cruise ship before?

No, I want to because I can't afford to travel, so you know, might as well work.

Yeah, I get paid to travel, get paid to.

Do Man, that should be so much fun. And then yeah you can just you'll pick the most exotic locations to go to. Yeah, so everyone watched the Cosmic Romantics. They are great. They have inspired me, they haven't they They're one of my I'm going to forever consider you guys one of my personal inspirations. Yeah yeah, yeah, you with the continue putting the bills back, your card's gone by the way, it's it's but uh yeah, just everyone

Yeah, yeah, that's one in the same.

Yeah, take a day off.

Well with magic, do you do? You have to?

Right?

Yeah?

No, we're doing okay, but we want more. We want to make more money and work less in the future. We wouldn't mind having a little more free time and relaxation.

Yeah, but all things that are. We're very lucky to be doing this.

We got to get you a I know you're doing all sorts of specials, but we need to get you a big like TV series.

You know what I'm saying, Yes I do. Let's make it happen watching contact us.

Let's manifest that. Let's manifest that. Absolutely get you guys a TV series. Thank you so much guys for being on the Psychology podcast Our Pleasure.

Thank you for having fun. It's been an honor.