276. Introversion vs. extroversion

I'm in Wyoming at the moment, in the US, visiting some friends, and as an Ossie gal, the cold weather does not agree with me one bit, and I seriously feel like I landed spent like two hours in Wyoming and my body was like, we don't like this. Let's bring up any dormous, dormant viruses that you may have

and bring them all to the surface. So if you can please bear with me while I manage this cold virus, whatever it is, I would really really appreciate it, because I'm just really glad to share this episode with you. It's one that I have wanted to do for a long time. I feel like I say that a lot, but it's because I always have these ideas on the back burner today, I'm really happy to have you here for a very in depth Dare I say, fun and

fascinating episode on the difference between introverts and extroverts? Or should I maybe say what you think the differences are but which we may have been misled to believe by the oversimplification of human personality. Extraversion and introversion seem to be this weird thing that divides society. Who are the social butterflies, who are the hermits? But it is so much more complex and nuanced than that. You know, I consider myself an extrovert, but I don't really party. I

cancel plans probably way more than I should. I feel tired a lot, So maybe I'm an introvert. You know. There's all these like different ways of seeing it, and I really want to explore what it actually means. And you know, I also have friends who are most certainly introverts, who really need a lot of alone time, but you know, for the two hours that they're at the party like

they are the life of the party. Basically, what I'm trying to say is that it's complicated, and what I really want to do is break down the origin of this concept, like historically in the psychology community, what the research really tells us about each personality type and why that simple version that we probably all know is is incorrect. We're going to start at the very beginning and then explore how levels of extraversion and introversion have maybe even

changed in recent years. More specifically, how it differs within individuals based on factors like gender and culture. I also want to discuss the myth to do with so called ambiverts. Why do you feel that you might not be either an introvert or extrovert? And is the term ambivert appropriate? But ultimately what is it that makes us more like

one than the other scientifically? And I also want to finish out the conversation by talking about how we can accept the introverted or extroverted part of ourselves, especially in a world, you know, in a career, in a friendship, maybe even an environment where certain parts of being an introvert or being an extrovert don't feel accepted. So there

is a lot to cover. If you are like me and really fascinated by, you know, just personality in general, this is definitely the episode to open your eyes and give you some cool facts that you may not have known. I hope you're ready. I am definitely ready. Without further I'm going to give you a short break from my sick voice and get into the episode, get into the psychological differences and perhaps similarities between introverts and extroverts. Let's

get into it. I want to get straight into it and talk about the major differences between introverts and extroverts, some of which we're probably already familiar with, some others of which you may not have heard of. But before that, we do need to know where this idea came from. I feel like these terms introvert extrovert have become parts of our shared language now, like they're parts of the psychobabble.

We throw them into conversations left, right and center. But I do think it's really important to also know how they came to be. It's an important piece, you know, even if trivia, if nothing else. So, the person you really want to know about in order to explain these concepts is kyl Jung. He is a legendary Swiss psychoanalyst and psychiatrist. He is He's famous. He can be credited with more concepts than I think I could even count

and extraversion, and introvert is just one of them. He basically saw these as central traits to each of our personalities. And you know, something that we could use to categorize people in society and categorize their personalities. You were either high in introversion or high in extroversion. Something that a lot of us actually get wrong, though, is that you have to be one or the other explicitly at all times. Not true. According to Yung, we actually all have an

extroverted and introverted side. One is just more dominant more of the time. And to be honest, you know, I have never actually met somebody who is entirely one hundred percent introverted or entirely extroverted. You know, maybe the only example, Like I was thinking about this and I was like, no, there must be someone. The only example I can think of is like that philosopher who lived on an island by himself for twenty years. I've completely forgotten his name.

If you know who it is, leave a comment, because it's it's going to annoy me. But you know, perhaps the only people who we could accredit as being one hundred percent one over the other people who are so called hermits people who are socially reclusive. But again that is very very rare. And you know, it's not the case that you can only receive energy from ourselves or

you can only receive energy from others. Humans require different different things, different sources of fuel, different sources of motivation and energy. This here is actually the most important distinction between an extrovert and an introvert. It rests on how we each prefer to gain energy or recharge. Do we seek inspiration and stimulation from within ourselves or out in

the world. It's a spectrum that we all sit on, and where we sit can actually change day to day, but we do tend to lean more one way than the other. Now, people who sit right in the middle, they're known as ambiverts. They have a perfect balance, some would say, of extroverted and introverted traits or desires. It's actually important to note that this idea of an ambivert is actually a modern addition to the original theory. So

jung He himself did not introduce that term. He didn't believe that ambiverts existed, so of course he wouldn't have given it a name. He really did say, you are you have both, but one is dominant. Therefore, no one is an ambivert, because that would suggest a complete balance, a perfect unison or blend of them both. Anyways, basically, what makes you an introvert versus an extrovert depends on where you primarily seek gratification or stimulation. So a primarily

extroverted person seeks it from human interaction. Hence this idea that they're quite talkative, they're social butterflies, they have many friends, they make plans, they're enthusiastic. They really thrive from the energy of others or in a group. In contrast, people we would consider introverts derive gratification and peace from solo activities, from that alone time that they crave so much. They're

a bit more reserved, quiet, passive. Maybe if you're an introvert, you may also find that if you have been around people for too long, for too many days in a row, you do get a bit irritated. You can't focus, You want to just kind of fade into the background, and you can't wait to get back to your room, get back to your space, get back to a place where you can just be in your own company. In comparison, like an extrovert may never want the party to stop.

Like they're the ones who are like, okay, like we finished the main event, come hang out at my place, like let's go watch a movie, Let's go out for another drink. They're people who really need multiple social touch

points throughout the day. So they need to see someone in the morning, they need to have a call of someone in the evening, and you know, they like to have a full social calendar, and they will find that they feel less satisfied, less purposeful, less creative, less fulfilled when they go to many days without seeing people or

really like having nourishing conversations or interactions. Some introverts, though, do have like I don't know what the term is, but like introverted pals, let's call them that, people who they can be around constantly and not feel the need to have a break from in order to restore their energy. Normally it's another introvert, right, It's someone who you can do what we call parallel time with, where you're like both sitting in the same room, but you're doing different things,

but you enjoy like the physical presence. That's a little caveat, a little small addition to the introverted nature. Some psychologists have suggested that introverts are people whose energy it tends to expand through reflection and dwindled during interaction. But active interaction so they can be around other people if it is not something that is going to cost them all their mental recas sources. They can be silent, they can

be thinking, they can be introspecting. Now, introversion is not the same thing as being anti social or shy, or even having social anxiety. It's a common misconception, but extroverts can be just as shy and just as socially anxious as your everyday introvert. I am somebody again who is incredibly extroverted. In fact, you know, I was reminded of that fact very recently. Like I spent a few days in a row without seeing anyone, and I did feel low.

I felt a significant dip in my mood. But I also have my fair share of moments of feeling awkward, of feeling like I shouldn't go to this thing, I don't know anyone. I am not confident all the time. Because extraversion and social ability or perceived social acceptance are not the same thing. This is a whole other facet of personality. If we look at it another way, an introvert can be the most confident, self assured person, you know, counter to what people may think. They just need more

space in their day for themselves. But you could put them in front of a big crowd, in a big group and they would still feel at ease. It's just that it's not their preferred way to seek validation, gratification and energy. Again, it's two different dimensions. So continuing on with this history lesson. After cal Jung first introduced this idea and a piece of writing almost one hundred years ago, it was then adopted by many others in the field.

Many other psychologists and psychiatrists were like, huh, he might be right, and they wrote papers finding things that were very very similar to what he was noting that we could identify people in this way, and so extraversion slash introvert became what we now know as one of the defining personality traits that we use today famously. It is now part of what we call the Big Five. Now we've spoken about the Big five many times before, and if you're a psychology student, I'm sure you have heard

of this before many many times. So apologies for being boring, but let's just consider this a refresher if you're new to the idea. The Big five is basically the attempt of psychologists to categorize us as humans by categorizing our personalities. It's basically the closest thing that we have to a formula for describing someone based on five core traits and

where they sit on this spectrum of these traits. So consider like five scales, and you can sit, you know, in different positions on each of those scales, and where you sit on those different positions will end up giving you your personality type. If you've ever done, you know, the Mayas Briggs test, like you will be very very familiar with this. Let's talk about the traits though. The

first one is openness to experiences. So you can either be someone who is very curious, very creative, is really accepting if new things, is really hungering for new sensations, maybe takes risks, is happy with the discomfort of experiencing something new. Or you can be someone who is quite happy in the normalcy and happy in the comfort of their routine. Next, we have conscientiousness. This is organization, how

efficient you are your general sense of responsibility. You can be someone who we would call quite type A who was very efficient, very organized, very productive. Or you can be someone who kind of you know, operates more by like the seat of their pants is a little bit more on the go. Then we have extraversion, which we've already talked about. One side of the scale was extraversion, the other one is introversion. Are you social, are are you assertive? Or are you more reserved? You gain energy

from reflection. Then we have agreeableness. This is compassion, respectfulness, trust in others, basically your ability to get along. We all know there are people who like they just start fires, they just create conflict. And then there's another set of people who are very I don't know what the word is, but they're just very easy to be around. They don't really want to disagree. It's not that they don't have opinions, but they'd know the time and place, like they're just

an everybody person. Then finally we have neuroticism. So this is probably the biggest area where we would talk about mental health. It's a very slim part of it, but do you lean towards being quite anxious and depressed or yeah, quite neurotic is the term they used to use for it, or use someone who is not really afflicted by those things. So individual personalities are thought to feature each of these, like all of us sit somewhere on this scale. You can't be like zero in any of these, Like you

sit somewhere. So you can rate high in extraversion but low in openness to new experiences, so you like the people you like, but you find it hard to open up to new friends. You may also be low in extraversion, so you're an introvert, but high in agreeableness and lower neuroticism, so you come off as really friendly and open, but that doesn't necessarily mean that you want to be around

people all the time. Basically, what I want you to conclude from the Big five is that personality is bigger than introversion versus extraversion, and it's also most certainly bigger than the Big Five. The Big five is a great structure to explain how someone might react in a certain situation, why they are the way they are, But it doesn't include fo things like interests, specific hobbies, passions, our self concept,

our self concept, how we think about ourselves. That's actually a big flaw that people find with the Big Five. It's that it doesn't really explain this. It doesn't explain, you know, our perspective on ourselves. It just explains how we may appear to others. But personality, you know, it is also a requirement to describe personality that we reflect on our own emotional patterns, our certain abilities, our behaviors,

our likes, our dislikes, like, the list goes on. And that's why I really warn people against thinking about themselves as either entirely introverted or entirely extroverted, and more than that, wrongly assuming that it defines who you are in its entirety, because I promise it doesn't. It's just one component. So moving on from that, I want to answer a specific question now that we have largely ignored for the first

part of this episode, what actually makes someone introverted versus extroverted? Like? Is it something that we just pop out of the womb being like? Is it like a weird Harry Potter sorting hat? What makes us who we are? So there are a few explanations, of course, it's never straightforward in psychology. The first is that it's largely but not entirely inherited, So there's a huge genetic component and we can see

that in twin studies. In one series of twin studies conducted in twenty twenty, researchers looked at more than six hundred different genes and found that blueprint genetic blueprint contributed somewhere between thirty to sixty percent to whether you were extroverted or introverted. So basically, if you had an extroverted parent or you had an extroverted twin, there was around a thirty to sixty percent chance that you would also

be extroverted, not introverted. So that is like heritability. What's the likelihood that if we took a million people, how many of them in the same circumstances would end up as extroverts, how many of them would go the other way and as introverts. Honestly, you know, if it's at the low end of like thirty percent, that's actually pretty minimal in my eyes, But you know, it's bigger than nothing, and it still does point to the fact that who your parents are really does influence who you will be.

So the reason that genetics has an influence is because of how genetics can influence how certain systems in our brain work. So we all know that when we get a genetic blueprint. That genetic blueprint influences a lot of things. One of the things that influences is cerebral or brain development, and that's what makes the next two theories important. A big thing. The theory is that whether you are an

extrovert or an introvert comes down to arousal. And we're not talking about sexual arousal, but the extent to which our bodies and our minds are alert and ready to stimulation. So this explanation was first proposed way back in the nineteen sixties, and basically it suggested that the brains of extroverts are chronically under aroused, leading them to seek out stimulation from the environment. Extroverts need to basically work harder to get themselves up to the level that others find

normal and pleasant. Hence why they really like novel social experiences, They like being around people. They may even be more boisterous and risk taking. In contrast, introverts already have a naturally lower threshold. It takes less for them to feel kind of over stimulated. You know, a really good book, a movie night that provides just as much stimulation and

fun to them as a club. Because they don't need as much to bring about enjoyment, and too much stimulation actually makes them quite overwhelmed, whereas for extroverts sometimes the limit doesn't exist. So really, what this all comes down to this is a suggestion is our brains and their inner workings, specifically the activity of neurotransmitters like dopamine, serotonin, adrenaline,

or noropdephrin. Now, this theory of arousal was presented almost sixty years ago, and since then we have obviously become a lot more advanced in our scientific technologies, so we've been able to test what was once a bit of a wild guess. Turns out it was a pretty good guess. In two thousand and five, researchers from the University of Amsterdam set out to test this theory specifically by looking at whether extraversion versus introversion is really determined by how

active our dopamine systems are. Now a lot of us think if dopamine as the happy chemical. That's true, but it's also responsible for motivation, learning, concentration, social ability, so it's going to play a role in this personality trait. They got a huge sample of people and they grouped them based on a simple personality test, and then they got them to participate in a game of sorts where they had to place bets and they had to be it was in like a social environment, and they were

either rewarded for their gamble or not. Here's what they saw. The reward centers of the brain displayed a lot more activity when the individual was an extrovert. They also paid attention to the game for longer, They seemed more key to keep engaging in the game, maybe because of that social element, but all of this this equal experience. They were receiving a more positive, more rewarding reaction from it.

The introverts, on the other hand, or who who the scientists imagined were introverts based on this personality test, they displayed a whole lot less activity in those same areas, suggesting that extroverts are the way they are because they just have a heightened sensitivity to reward highly reactive dopamine systems, and they already receive a baseline of reward just from

being around people that introverts don't get. So it makes sense that these people would be happier in big social situations or taking social risks or even personal risks because of what happens deep in their brains. That's one side of the coin, but it also comes down to environments, specifically culture, socialization, how we were raised, and that's one further piece of the puzzle that we were going to

explore after this short break. Looking at the origin behind introversion and extraversion specifically, Like the biological underpinnings is one thing, but humans I don't think can be reduced to chemical messages in their brain. I think doing so this is a really important part of the picture, and that part we miss comes down to social influence and environment. It seems that where you were born and where you grow up will also determine whether you are more extroverted versus introverted.

If you grew up within a culture that values outward social engagement and being outgoing and loud and very forward, extraversion rates will seemingly be higher because more more people learn that this is what's kind of expected of them. They're also kind of raised to adapt to these environments.

They mimic the behaviors of those around them, so they may appear to be more extroverted when we compare that to quite reflective, peaceful societies where children are taught and raised to be quiet, to be reserved, to be introspective, We're definitely going to see a difference in overall rates. Consider the difference, for example, between individuals from a country like Japan versus the United States. Obviously, not everyone within those countries are going to be the same. You know,

no one group is completely homogeneous. But if we took the median of each I would expect the US to be higher in extraversion and the Japanese people hire in introversion. So the research shows that levels of exsion seem to be divided by whether a country or a culture is actually individualistic or collectivist. So individualistic cultures like the United States, they prioritize individual expression and outward displays of confidence that's

linked to extraversion. Collectivist cultures, on the other hand, they value harmony, They value group cohesion that might lead to more introverted behaviors. You know, I would love to see, like, at what point being removed from that culture in place in the other one would maybe change who you are. Like if you grew up in the United States until you were six, and then you moved to a place like Japan, would that change who you are or like, would it have to be when you were three? Could

it be you know, as late as fifteen. It would just be very very cool, Like whether it would be a really great way to see whether it's something you're born with or something that you learn, Like if there's a certain direction you're going that's then like completely turned around by primarily exposure to a different culture. Long ramble, apologies, I'm just very interested in that, Like, it would be

cool research project. Gender also influences us a whole lot because it impacts how people choose to see us and how we are raised. I feel like I don't have to do a whole revision or history lesson, but you know, there's this real sense that loudness in young girls is definitely policed. It isn't seen as attractive, whereas for young boys, like it's totally acceptable. They are raised to be boisterous, loud, a lot more social, So there are actually higher rates

of introversion amongst women compared to men. It also kind of brings me to a crucial question of this episode, maybe one that you are asking yourself at this point. You know, if you were raised in a specific culture, if you raised as a woman to be quite timid, to be quite shy, to be quite silent. Can we change that the older we get. Is there an opportunity at some point to become more extroverted or is it

forever more a permanent part of our identity. I think from my research and also experiences, it is really possible for us to obviously momentarily slip into an introverted or extroverted state if our environment requires it, sometimes even for more than a moment. Obviously, we were discussing before Jung's theory that actually it's just that one is more dominant, but you do still have introverted and extroverted parts, and when it's appropriate that part of you might switch on.

I've heard stories from friends, but also in case studies of people who after trauma, especially a social kind of trauma, they were extroverts and they become introverted. They no longer get the same energy. Also see people who are quite introverted who enter a new environment, perhaps a new workplace

or a new relationship, and become quite extroverted. But if you do believe the psychology and the personality theories, what they say is that you should always return back to the state that is natural for you, even when the trauma has hopefully been addressed, even when you're in that workplace that demands this from you. At some point, your true nature is going to come out and you're going to return to what we call like emotional or I

guess even social homeostasis. I think beyond that, though, people do change as they get older and as their situation changes as well. So yes, it might be a momentary lapse into introversion or extraversion, but over time, if a situation demands it, or if you just change as you grow, you will see that you're stewing perhaps more towards the other direct You know, consider someone who was really isolated in a retirement home. Maybe they become more introverted out

of necessity. You know, it's quite a sad example. But in the state, like, it's harder for them to change their nature entirely, so maybe this part of them just becomes more present. It means that they are forced to be okay with being alone because of their situation, and so maybe some small part of them adapts to that.

What we're really wanting to discuss here is can we change our personality like That's the real key question of the hour, and I actually have an interview coming out with someone in two weeks and it's this amazing author from the Atlantic, and she tried to change her personality over the span of a year and she was really, really diligent. She enacted all of these lifestyle changes and

habits and she did find like some great success. So I'm not going to spoil that episode, but yeah, I do think that persistent intervention or major lifestyle events can permanently shift you, even though like there is a theory that you'll always come back. I think depending on the magnitude of the event or how intense and diligent you are with your exercises to become more introverted or more extroverted,

I do think it can work. But what I would ask is why would you want to You know, if I'm talking about this and you're really paying attention, why is it that you feel like it's so necessary for you to change who you may fundamentally be. If this is who you are and where your energy levels, your socialization levels, your stimulation levels naturally sit, what would push you to try and strongly change that part of you?

I think I have an answer, right, I think it really does come down to the fact that it often feels like society is made for a very specific type or level of extrovert, not someone who was introverted, and

definitely not someone who is too extroverted. And I actually received a message from a listener about this which really inspired me to do this topic, where she was talking about how difficult it is to feel like you'll be successful when you are naturally quieter, or naturally less assertive, or naturally less interested in networking in a world where all our depictions of CEOs are quite brash, bold, loud leaders with big personalities, or you know, every job in

the spotlight seems to involve a great level of socializing. You know that doesn't look appealing if you are an introvert. I will say introverts aren't often in the spotlight because you know, typically they're going to keep away from it

because it's very exhausting. That doesn't mean that don't exist and that there isn't representation, recognition, great appreciation for the introverts in our society, even if they're not the front runners, even if they're not the people that are put on the main stage, they are still there are still Sorry, so many examples of people who are incredibly successful. Barack Obama famously has talked about how he is an introvert.

Albert Einstein was an introvert. Bill Gates introvert. Steven Spielberg also an introvert. Eleanor Roosevelt was apparently quite introverted as well. Warren Buffett. Marissa Mayer, she was the founder of Yahoo. Like, there are so many examples, don't let you know, modern media and our very individualistic depictions of success make it seem like you are either too quiet or too too

loud to find what you really want. I want to talk about how we can actually manage our natural state, or our natural level of energy and desire for socialization in a world that really favors extraversion, and even better, how to balance friendships and relationships when personalities differ, how to network, how to be socially active and do what's socially necessary without being, you know, drowned out by that constant like noise in your brain and that constant like

perhaps tiredness. I think if you're an introvert and you're struggling with this, the first thing I want you to do is really devote your energy to those and what matters most. Try and figure out how many hours is your maximum amount for socializing before you become perhaps you know, not someone who's that fun to be around, you know, someone who you don't really like. When you start to hit a wall, take notice how many hours have you been in this situation? How many days in a row

have you felt like you've made to do things? Really trust your intuition and trust your body when it is asking for refueling time and almost figure out, Okay, is it five hours a day that I can socialize? Is it two? I'm going to use those hours as best

as possible and not try and go over them. I think this obviously takes some trial and error, but I've had people tell me how keeping a journal for three weeks where they track hours around others, hours socializing versus their mood was very very helpful for them to identify their specific cutoff. Basically, you want to follow the very simple principle of make time for what matters and don't

feel like you're selfish. Don't feel guilty for saying you know, I don't have space for this on my plate right now, especially when it's things that you know perhaps are a little bit unnecessary or perhaps is leaning or into a people pleasing territory. But you're only doing it to make somebody else happy, if you're only at the social event, if you're only in the meeting that was voluntary because

you think it's going to make someone else happy. Making yourself miserable is not going to make that person happy. Like making yourself miserable as well is going to bite you in the tush. So have strong boundaries around that. Know your limits. I also think in terms of keeping up conversations or giving the appearance of meeting energy levels, especially when you know you pit your wall but like

there's no way out. Here. Are some tips I use as like primarily as an extrovert, that I think you're a small lift in those situations, so that you can still be present, you don't feel like you're being rude, but also maintain some sense of peace, like when you don't want to be in that situation, or when you do but you are like getting quite tired. Firstly, I would say, ask people about themselves. People love that. A recent study I was reading said that most people spend

the majority of their days thinking about themselves. So if they can bring that to a conversation and talk about themselves even better. Like literally, my secret is just to be like why to everything they say, but with a few more words. Like if you ask someone what their job is at a party and they say, oh, I'm an accountant. Sometimes that can really stump people because you're like, you know, what do I talk about with that? But you can ask the why question, Okay, why they account

Why are they an accountant? And then be like, oh, what made you want to do that? And then say they say what it is and you know it's because my parents did that and blah blah blah blah blah. Oh and why did your parents inspire you so much? Why did maths seem like so much fun? Literally, embody a four year old who just has endless curiosity and ask why, but just with a few more words and ask open questions, Smile, nod, make eye contact. You don't have to do even half of the talking if you

engage in active listening. So it might save you a lot of energy resources. And I promise you, like someone will leave that interaction with you and be like, Wow, they were so interesting because they just found themselves interesting. That's the whole secret. I will also say, kind of on a different note, but quality over quantity is something that I think we extroverts could learn to do better when it comes to saying yes yes to friendships, to

plans and whatever it is. And my introverted friends are definitely experts at this. So if you've found your balance, keep doing it. Don't think that just because someone else's life looks different to yours, that it's any better than yours. That is a fallacy that we very much love to lean into as humans. We think everyone is happier than us just because they do it differently, or just because they present as being happier, not realizing that I think

happiness deeply individualistic and personal. If you know that you're an introvert, don't try and fit into an extrovert skin. If you know you're an extrovert, don't try and shut yourself down to be more like an introvert because you think it's going to be more appealing to people. Both

individuals are going to end up unhappy. The thing is, when we talk about extroverts and introverts, at whatever point on the spectrum you sit in the moment or across your life, each of us contributes a perfect amount to humanity, and each of us, in whatever form we come, I think is balanced by someone else out there who was hopefully being their most authentic self. And who is you

don't filling the bit that we don't feel. So if you're an extrovert, you have your introverted balancing act, Like there's someone else in the world who provides what the world needs in an opposition to you. Basically, like we need everyone. You play a role, even if you think that you're too much or you're too little, I truly believe in like the harmony and the balance of this world and maybe even the universe at large. And this is one aspect of it, a tiny, tiny micro aspect

of it, but it's an important one. You know. I hate ending on something as cliche as like be yourself, but this is so so true. Like I hope you take away from this episode how much value we each bring, How we need extroverts, we need introverts, whatever you are. We need everyone to make the world go around. So if you are questioning can I change myself? Can I

be happier? Can I be more like that person? Please really contemplate whether being more like that person a person who you were not born to be is going to make you any happier, or whether really leaning in to the strengths of your introversion or the strengths of your extroversion, what it makes you amazing at, what it makes you so talented, at what it brings to society, whether that is actually going to make you happier, Like a real sense of a stubbornness to yourself, a sense of surrender,

a sense of complete acceptance. I think that's all we have for this episode. Thank you so much for bearing with my sick, gross voice for this many minutes. I appreciate it. If you've made it this far, in the comments below, I want you to leave your mayers, Briggs, or your big five personality kind of traits, whether you are an extrovert or an introvert. I really want to hear whether people in my audience lean more one towards

the other. Maybe I'll even pop a pole down there, because I would be very, very fascinated by that information. I hope you learn more about yourself from this episode. If you feel like there's someone else in your life who could get something out of this, feel free to share it with them. Start a conversation, share it to your Instagram story and see what people think. It's also really a great way for me to reach new people and to hopefully build this community which we always love.

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