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Yes, everybody, welcome back to The Proper Podcast. Thank you for joining us. And yes, I am privileged to say greatness was witnessed once again on the weekend with Usyk Annihilating. Senor Daniel Dubious, the party animal, in five rounds. And yes, he's just the undisputed, double undisputed king. You can't say nothing about him now. That's it. It's all over. Don't be disrespecting him anymore. There's no disrespect to be found. The man is the fucking man.

Oh, yes, and I'm here with the chaps to dissect that card on the week. Well, to dissect mostly the main event, we'll delve into the undercard a little bit, but my good God, that was fucking boring. But, yeah, we'll talk about the undercard a little bit. But mainly we want to talk about Usyk Dubious. What's next for him?

if there is anything next for Usyk. But yes, what's next for both men? Bringing in a bit of Fury and AJ as well into the conversation because Fury wants to fight AJ. Well, does AJ go Dubois? Does he go Jake? Fucking Paul, bloody hell. Anyway, yes, we'll all have a good natter about that. How are you doing, boys? Johnny B, what are you saying? All good. Shall we just go straight into it? Let's just go straight into it. Kai, are you good as well? Just say yes or no.

All good, mate. I'm just waiting to hear John's take on Lawrence Acoli. I can't wait for it. I tell you what, I will say this. So I was at, you know, I was in this bar and so I downloaded Big Up The Zone. downloaded the app, and I had a Coli Lorena on my phone, rested on a pint glass, and we was all sitting there watching that, and then we was going to go back to someone's house and watch the main fire.

But I'm watching it, and I'm just, obviously, I'm drunk, a bit mash-up. I'm watching it. I'm like, I choked the boys on the pod. I can't do it. I can't do it no more. I said, this is why we're not back at the house watching it. It's a little, because we was going to go. And then I said to them, like, do you know what? This is going to be boring as fuck. We just chill out here, finish these couple of pints off, stick it on the phone, then we'll go back to the house. Then we watch the big fight.

Yeah, I mean, to be fair, I was going to come on here and just go, see, I told you, I can't do it. Do not speak to me about Ecoli anymore. But he's pulled out the image, isn't he, of the arm with the torn bicep. Oh, is there an image?

It does look a bit naughty. It does look naughty. So yeah, his biceps messed up. Apparently he tore it in the first round. I don't know if someone wants to jump in the comments and tell me was that the first round or the eighth or the ninth or whatever. So he's got that. But he just...

regardless of that, this is what he does. He's got that massive long reach. He takes that little step back. He's very, very hard to hit. He's got the power. He just slows the tempo down and he just makes people fight. He's fight and just, yeah, just. matchsticks, wouldn't it? To keep your eyes open to watch that fight.

Are we going to go straight into Akoli then? Apparently so, yeah. No, we touched on it. We'll come back to Akoli. I think we should start with the big stuff. Can I just quickly say that, by the way, I actually like...

Akoli as the man, in terms of when he speaks in that, I think he plays the game. He says, I'm going to knock people out and all that. It's just, I don't like the style of fighting. Anyway, go on. Lucky he tore his bicep, wouldn't it? Otherwise, John would have tore him a fucking something else. Yeah, we can all agree with that sentiment, Johnny.

painful in the ring, but he's a good man outside the ring and he's done well coming from old Mackie D's to where he is now. So you can't say, you can't dig him out for anything other than that. Looks like he's been back in Mackie D's, mate. 267 pounds. Yeah, he's taken it too far, hasn't he? Yeah, let's come back to old Lawrence in a bit, as well as lapping Edmondson. Yeah.

Well, not that we're excited to do that. But anyway, O6 de Bois was why we were all there, was why 90,000 allegedly were at Wembley. to see Usyk Dubois. And it delivered, man. I thoroughly enjoyed it. I thoroughly, thoroughly enjoyed it. Now, just before we get to the fight, let's talk about the party. Sorry. Not party, according to Don Charles, who's been on TalkSport this morning. I don't know if you've seen it. Not party, gathering. Gathering of 70 people.

with lots of music. So, Kyle, would that be your preparation for The Biggest Fight of Your Life? Bearing in mind, though, he'd done it with AJ, apparently. Yeah, I know, but I want to see that one with AJ. If it was anything like that, then...

I don't know. I'd like to see what went on with the AJ party, but I mean, there were people drinking there, weren't there? I saw loads of guys with drinks in their hands. That can't be good for a start, having people all lagged up around you before you're about to... And apparently Simon Jordan...

said on Talk Sport that Daniel had to go for a drive. Is that true? He said this is all a bit much. He had to get in his car and go for a drive because it's all a bit too much. Too many people wrapped around him. Really? Is that true? And then apparently I read that they, um,

He didn't expect that many people. And then some of the cars that were at the house, he took those people to the venue to try and get them into the stadium, right? These people at the gathering, which didn't have tickets. Then security at the stadium said they can't come in, they ain't got tickets. Stan said, we ain't fighting it if they don't get in. Yeah, that's mad. Where there was a mix-up with the cars, Stan, the dad, he's ended up driving Daniel himself. He's meant to be a driver.

He's drove Daniel. Then they've got caught in traffic. And then when they got there, because they didn't have the official car to get through the car park, they parked outside of the car park. Then he had to walk through the car parks. You know, usually they go right in.

He's had to walk through the car parks to get into the stadium. Shambles. Absolutely shambles. Look, he's fighting the best fighter we have seen, maybe ever. I mean, we're going to have that conversation later on in the heavyweight division. That can't be good, that preparation. It can't be.

You need to be zoned in, locked in. All you're thinking about is Usyk. All you're thinking about is game plans. What do I do if Usyk does this in the first round? Just like replaying the fight out in your head with your trainer, just you and your trainer. What are all those people doing?

there. Why would anyone think that this was a good idea? Maybe it worked with AJ. I mean, even with the AJ, if they did do that with AJ, then that's still fundamentally wrong. Obviously, AJ worked great that night. But let's not say... because it worked with AJ, you know, let's just do it again for Usyk, who, by the way, is streets ahead of any other heavyweight we've seen in the last 20 years. It's just stupidity. And I actually feel sorry for Daniel Dubois because I feel like he's been...

You could tell in the party that the video footage was just going around. He's smiling and joking, but I could see in his face, he was just doing it to not be rude to people around him or just going along with the flow or, I don't know, arriving at a fight. And also, that looked like chaos. I've had loads of people around my house for drinks, and that looked like chaos there. Don't you think? Everyone's screaming and shouting, trying to do selfies. It looked like they gatecrashed the house.

That's what that looked like to me. They weren't even mates. They looked like a bit gate crashed. And Daniel Dubois is the least sort of person that you'd expect to go to a big old party in sort of social gathering. You know what I mean? It's just not his personality at all, is it? I reckon he probably knew five people there.

I don't know. Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm just guessing there. But loads of hanger-ons, loads of people fucking clinging on for a free ticket. Oh, we'll take the champ. The champ's going to do the business. No, mate. That's not how you prepare for elite-level sport.

Absolute shambles. And the dad, also the dad as well, we're going to talk about the fire, shouting instructions from the corner. What are you doing, mate? You're not a boxing coach. Dads that do that need to just sit down and be quiet. It's got nothing to do with you anymore. Just let the fucking professionals get on with it. Don Charles is a very, very good coach. Just let him do his job. I've got a funny feeling. I think maybe this is why you said it yourself, Sonny.

In the lead up to the fight, what's the problem with Daniel and Don? Why has he never given Don his flowers or never mentions Don in press conference, always talking about his dad? I feel like his dad's got this... overbearing influence on him. And you know what? Fair enough. It's dad and son relationship. Who am I to say? I've got a son. I know if my son was in that position, I know me, and I know I would never...

do anything like that. It'd have to be the son's best interests at heart. And I can't believe that he would sit there and think that that'd be good for his own son to go into a fight of that magnitude. to create that level of chaos when he's not concentrating. He has to go for a fucking drive to get away from it. If that's true, if that's true, that's madness. At that point, when my son's left in the car, I would have gone, right, all you lot, fuck off that.

Everyone out of this house now. He's gone for a drive. He's not feeling it. All of you leave. Not wait till he gets back and then we'll all go together like the champ and all that. Fucking ridiculous. I've never seen scenes like it. Also, though, when I'm at a big old social gathering or a party or something and I come home...

All right, sometimes I'm a bit tanked up when I come home, but like I say, I'm not that tanked up. Even so, I'm fucking knackered. The energy around me all night and people and talking and just the music. Fucking noise. The movement, everything. It's just like. It really drains your parties and social gatherings. And also, we'll get to the fight in a minute as we say, but I was looking at him in the fourth round. He was sweating buckets. Absolute sweating buckets.

Who's to say that didn't play a part? You know what I mean? But yeah, just him of all people. I can see it with like Floyd Mayweather, even though I don't think Floyd Mayweather would do it before the fucking fight. I've never seen that. I've never ever seen that before. I don't know if anyone else has ever seen that. That's Floyd's personality to have parties and to like to be the centre of attention. Daniel don't come across that way at all. So I don't understand it one bit.

And I couldn't believe when I saw the footage. Just quickly on the old man, right? So I agree, right? On the one hand, shouting that stuff over, Dubois looking out the ring, maybe should be listening to Don Charles. However, when you look at the Baby Miller fight... He's screaming stuff over and that was like a bit of a Teddy Atlas, the Rocky moment. And all of a sudden, Daniel Dubois comes out and then he stops Miller.

So there is some precedent for the old man, as in this worked once, it might work again. And I will say this. I watched an interview once with the old man. Let me just get this. I'm going to pick you up on that. So I did watch an interview ages ago. It was on seconds out. And I don't think he's done.

loads of interviews to dad and it was really good 20 minute interview and to me he comes across as a really really nice guy used to work Dan Camden market trader and all that but he's a bit out there like a lot of these fathers are and that's usually how they get there sons or whatever daughters to the top level because they don't think like normal people but he's been training his son

from the age of like three, four years of age. So he's been a project to the old man. So the reason why Daniel Dubois is who he is or where he is and the money is because of the old man. And in the Joe Joyce fight, that fight, he left the arena.

He left the arena because he didn't want to be there. He thought he would get out of the way. And he says that in that seconds out interview. If you don't leave the arena, he leaves the front section. He goes right up the back so Daniel Dubois can't see him. Then he lost. He took the knee and he sort of quit and didn't want to continue. And in the interview...

He says, I thought I ain't never going to do that again. So there's a little bit of precedent for the old man, as in he did try to do that once. I'm just trying to, you know, give a... Let me pick you up on that. So there's a difference between your dad, who's been, as you say...

Obviously, they love each other. They've got a close relationship. No disrespect to really their relationship as father and son. He just played it wrong in this fight. There's a difference between screaming instructions or geeing your son up in the last round of a fight where he's fucking, he's knackered. than shouting out instructions, technical, tactical instructions from the first two or three rounds. A massive difference between that and that.

You know what I mean? No, it's true. Make the tactics and the technical aspect, leave it to the professionals. Personally, I ain't got too much of a problem with the dad being there, but Adam Cattrall and Dave Allen. They both said that there was like literally 15 people in that corner screaming. So I'm okay with Don Charles being there, the cut man and the dad.

but who's all the other fucking 12 people like? I don't even want the dad there, mate, to tell you the truth. I just want Don Charles and his team to do what he's got to do. That's what coaches do. 80% of this fucking game is mental. You know, you learn all this stuff in the gym, you do your training camp, but you've got to get your fighter mentally prepared. And that comes from the coach. And that's what separates the good coaches from the average coaches, right?

It's if you can get in someone's head and just get that little bit more out of them, out of your fighter. So, no, fuck all that. I don't want a dad there or no one there unless the dad's a coach.

the whole game plan was like pushing back, double up the jab, treble up the jab. And like in that first round, this goes into the fight. In the first round, I ain't seen... Usyk come out like that before. Like, we've seen him come out and take the centre of the ring, but I ain't seen him come out and throw his backhand like that. First two rounds, he wins clearly. He's thrown that backhand with spite.

trying to knock him the fuck out. That's what he's doing in those first two rounds. And so I don't know if he's jumping up, saying stuff, maybe like because he's under the caution the first two rounds. Really, Dubois should be putting the pressure on a bit more. That's why they might have been screaming, like, attack a bit more. But...

Yeah, I don't know. I will say this. I literally just watched the fight before I've come on here. And he wins the first two rounds, Usyk. Third round, Daniel Dubois wins it. Fourth round, you could see how someone would give that to Daniel Dubois. Nothing really much in it. So he does sort of come back into the fight after losing the first two rounds heavily, in my opinion. But...

You can see, you just said about he was sweating in the fourth round. I made a note of that in my head. I thought, as he walked back... Before the fifth round, he was exhausted. Even though he had a half-decent round in that fourth round, just like what Tony Bellew says, he's just making you work all the time. But he weren't throwing that much in those two rounds, Uzi. Then come the fifth round...

I'm just putting my stake in the ground now about Daniel Dubois. As in, people calling him a coward and all that, he quit. Let me tell you this. In that fifth round, he went for it. I've seen plenty of fighters in there with Usyk, and they're just trying to box him, and they're moving around that. He fucking went for it in the fifth round. I've just seen it. How he got caught when he went down the first time was where he backed Usyk up into the corner, and he's thrown...

his hands he's vulnerable he's in there he's over committed he got clipped he went down and then the next time when he does get knocked out he's throwing his hands every time he threw his right hand he was getting clipped so it was making him hesitant to do it but in the end He went for it and he got knocked Spark out and that's it. And then did he quit? I'll throw it over to you two. We'll get there. I'll get to that point. I'll just say.

Big up Daniel Dubois, in my opinion. You don't walk out in front of 90,000 people and have a fight with someone if you're a coward. He ain't a coward. To me, he's a warrior. He's gone out there and he's gone out and he's gone for broke and he's got knocked the fuck out. But he ain't...

tried to outbox him and he's gone for it. He's made himself vulnerable. That's how he's got knocked out. So I'll big him up for that. But did he quit or not? We'll get to that in a bit. I think, yeah, the problem that he had, and I think we all called this before.

that Usyk is so good that if I watched the AJ fight, I think it was... yesterday as well like most of it i watched um just in the background and um every time daniel dubois throws a punch at aj or throws a big over around right or something It's like AJ is just in a world of like fucking worry. It's like, fucking hell, what do I do here? Oh my God, what's coming at me? And it's just, he was so uneasy about what was coming to him.

Whereas Usyk was so calm and collected and everything that come to him, he moved out of range and then counted him. It was absolutely stunning the way he does it. And I've done a video on it and I've slowed it all down. And as I was slowing it down, I was just like... I can't believe you have the reaction time to do that.

or just the capacity to do that, the distance control, everything. It's just, it's unbelievable. Absolutely unbelievable. So nothing but full credit to Usyk, really. Daniel Dubard didn't do anything. Wrong. He'd just come up against someone who's just too good. And he'd done exactly what we all thought he would. Daniel Dubois come in there, bull in a china shop like the AJ fight. But everything he was trying to land, everything that he did land on AJ, Usyk slipped.

and countered. So what do you do? I mean, you can't dig out Daniel Dubois because it's like, what do you fucking do if you're doing all the same things that you did that won you the fight previous and that's won you many fights in your career?

You're just up against a man who just knows the game inside out better than you. So, yeah, I'll get to the quick thing in a minute. But, yeah, no, you're absolutely right, John. You get a full credit to him for taking the fight for, you know. I thought he looked frightening. I really did. In the first few rounds, I thought he looked absolutely frightening, Dubois. And I think anyone else has a real hard time with him.

Real hard time. But Usyk is calm and collected and he doesn't panic and he knows how to deal with that. But yeah, just amazing. Kaya? Yeah, I mean, I wasn't as impressed. with Daniel's performance. I know credit's got to be given to Uzi. I'm not impressed with it. I'm just saying he's... No, I'm not saying you're saying that. I'm saying...

Everyone's like, Usyk was amazing, but Daniel made him look amazing as well. Didn't double up on the jab, barely ever. Didn't really triple up, try and push him back to the ropes. He was trying to box him jab for jab. like Tyson Fury done. That's what people do. They go in the ring, try and outbox Usyk. And Usyk started fast, but he started fast against Joshua in the first fight as well. So there was always that.

capability of him doing that. So you've got to be prepared for that and have a game plan in place for that. But there was no doubling up of the jab. It was just... He didn't really use his muscle. I thought his feet were really slow. It's like...

You know, you get the Daniel Dubois that was charging around like a pit bull just before the Joshua fight started pacing up and down. He looked like he was ready to tear someone's head off. The body language is all wrong from the beginning. I thought he didn't look right.

The way he started the fight, I thought it was a bit ponderous. And just all of his attributes, I thought, yeah, I thought he was ponderous. When did he throw a double jab? That was the key. How did you throw a double jab at someone? You just throw it. Who's not there. Yeah, but he's not in front of your car. So if he slips the first jab, you can maybe, I don't know, hit the chest, hit the guard. Just everything, he was trying to be too accurate.

Daniel Dubois, and you can't do that against Usyk. He's just way too good for that. I don't agree. Do you know what I think? I've literally just seen it. If you look at those first two rounds, I've seen, I've watched all of Usyk's fights. He starts like a man-possessed, mate. never seen him phrase backhand like that and there's a couple of times where he just slips that jab

And he just counters him straight away and he rocks Dubois' head back. And then he catches him with a peach over her backhand a couple of times within the first two rounds. And I think it unsettled Dubois. And I think he did roughly have that game plan, but I think... A little bit what you're saying, Kai, he could have maybe started a little bit faster, but I think Usyk was a bit better than he was before. And we'll get into that because there's a whole, you know...

Why was Usyk like that in the first two rounds? Why did he predict that he was going to knock Dubois out? And he's never, ever predicted he's going to knock anyone out before. So I just want to get this out here now. I just think to myself, George Fox, Don Charles...

You played it wrong. We spoke about it in the other podcast. Like, all like you're a cheat and all that. And when you start questioning a man's faith, and he's a very religious man, I just think you fucked that all up in a press conference. And he went to make Usyk walk off the stage. usually call Karma Collective, and then in that car park, all that shit that George Fox is saying to him, like...

This is Usyk. Did you hear the amount of people cheering his name in Wembley? He's been adopted by the UK fans. The UK fans recognise greatness. He's a religious man. He's a good man. You know, he lives and breathes a sport. He's honest about it. He's fun. He's a big character. Everyone loves him.

then you come with that energy to try and discredit him. It's a little bit like why I get wound up about Katie Taylor. I didn't really like that. And I think they pissed him off. And I even think this, I was listening to Steve Bunce and Steve Bunce said, what really pissed Usyk off was when he'd won the fight.

against the last fight against Fury, when they was interviewing him, they spoke, they was asking him about his old man. Well, his old man's passed away, really dear to him, and he was welling up when he was talking about it. Who pops in the ring?

Daniel Dubois at that precise time. And apparently that really pissed him off. This goes into the whole thing with Daniel Dubois as well. It's like, it's like going, I don't, we're getting to it a bit like going forward. Like, who's he doing this for? Like, who's advising it? It's like.

Going into the, I don't know. I think that whole was a shit show there. And I think that's why Usyk started as fast as he did. And that's why it settled him. Regardless of all that, pissing him off, it doesn't change the game plan and the fight. It does.

You can be as pissed off as you want. Well, it doesn't matter. If you implement a good game plan, you can beat a pissed off fighter. I just thought the game plan was terrible. I thought Dubois was better the first time he fought him than this. He was much quicker and sharper with a jab. I thought his feet were quicker. He was just terrible. But Usyk was worse the first time. Maybe.

I just look, don't get me wrong. I'm not discrediting Usyk. Usyk will never be beaten. Whilst there's a hole in any of our arses, he will never be beaten. I was mesmerised by Usyk, but I was so disappointed with Daniel Dubois. I just thought we were going to get a much more of an explosive...

where he just went hell for leather first three or four rounds. And I just felt like he was sitting at that mid-range. He couldn't get the range right. When I say throw the double jab, maybe start a bit further out, throw the jab the first one so it lands a bit short.

So, you know, you're in the face of him and then throw the second one. Just get the feet right first. You're trying to throw the first jab where it was easy to slip and then Usyk can counter it. But just mix up the game plan. It was just ponderous, one-paced.

game plan from Daniel Dubois. I didn't like it. I thought we had more aggression than that. I just thought, I don't know, maybe I've got to see the fight again. I haven't watched it twice. I haven't watched it twice. Maybe, I just remember watching it on the night thinking, fucking hell, like...

This is the Daniel Dubois from five years ago. Where's the new Daniel fucking Dubois 2.0? What's happened to him? I did say, I mean, we all said it, but I did say this a lot when this fight was first announced. I know he's on a bit of a run. I suppose he's picked up the IBF belt, but the first fight, he lost every fucking round. Did he throw any body shots in this fight? I didn't see many. Which I wanted to get onto. There you go!

He threw one body shot. Yeah, that's not good. One body shot in the whole fucking fight. Where's the strike? Look, the head moves. You're saying Usyk slips. That's what we... what used to get taught in a gym, John. Your head moves, but your body don't. So if you've got a fighter with lateral movement that moves his head a lot, go throw the straight right downstairs from out of range. Straight right, pile driver into the solar plexus. He didn't throw any...

Body shots, if I can remember. That one body shot he throws is very similar to the one that dropped Usyk before. Oh, he's low blow, didn't he? He looks at him and he gives him the nod, he's in low blow. And I thought to myself... You weathered that fine, bruv. It shows me you would have weathered the other one fine because he completely connects. He's exactly the same place. Just not enough of it. The game, all it was, he needed a bit of guidance there.

Don Charles, I don't think could... He weren't listening to Don Charles. He weren't really listening to his fucking dad. Yeah, you've got 100 voices in the corner, so how are you supposed to mix it up? I'm sure they discussed other game plans in training camp, but how are you supposed to do that? Your head's gone, you're getting peppered by this genius. It was just an absolute shitshow shambles.

And my heart goes out to Daniel Dubois. He needs to just bin everyone off. I'm not saying bin your dad off because he's your dad, but just start again. Go back to fucking... He was with Shane McGuigan for a while, no? I'll come back to you, Kyle.

I'll just say, but every single Usyk fight, we do this. We say... The other guy was terrible and the other guy was making all these mistakes. Is it not Usyk making all these people make their mistakes? Yeah, it probably is. But he does that though later on in the fight, Sonny. I just thought from round one.

I would accept what you're saying if it was round seven or eight and Usyk starts taking over motoring and he stops him. But from round one, it just seemed like he was a rabbit in the headlight. The headlights, Daniel Dubas, like he didn't really know what to do with it. Just quickly, Sonny, let me say, honestly, go and watch the first two rounds. I've seen him start all of his fights. He starts there like a different animal in those first two rounds, he really does.

It's unbelievable, isn't it? And we were all giving it the old, oh, has he got old? Has he got, you know, a bit war-torn from the Fury fights, blah, blah, blah. And it's like... he's got better and he's got more spiteful and he's hitting harder. He's unbelievable, man. Yeah, but even like Fury landed that big uppercut, right? There wasn't one shot we could talk about in this whole fucking fight. You still think Fury loses to Dubois?

On that performance, no. Of course not. Of course not. If that's the boy that turns up. I've been thinking about that all weekend. I fucking thought about it always. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I did originally say Fury would win that fight. I did. I turned... I changed my mind because you was annoying me. No, I did say Fury. I think Fury would win that fight. But yeah, the problem I've got with Fury is he won't fight him. He just won't fight him.

He might do now, though. He might do now if there's enough money on the table. But is there money now on the table for Daniel Dubois? He's got to rebuild. There's too many fighters ahead of him now in the queue, isn't it? Caballel, Parker, Joshua's going to be hanging around. Fury's coming back. I think he goes back into the mix of...

Fury, AJ Caboel, no? Nah, nah, he don't. Who? He's got no belt. What? Really? I don't think he does. No, he's got a win over Joshua, I suppose, so he could run that back. But why would Joshua take that fight now? What's in it for Joshua? Yeah, sorry, I totally disagree. I think Joshua has got to take that fight now. Like, what are you doing?

Don't give me Jake Paul. Don't give me any of that bollocks there. Take the Dubois fight. You can beat him. I can't believe, looking at Dubois, that he lost to him. It's a different Dubois, though. There's a Dubois coming out of fucking the Egg Club from last night. The thing is, fucking bowling around with his white gloves and he's fucking whistling his mouth. It's like Canada.

That's what I thought. I thought it was going to start doing the candy dance in the middle of the house. Jesus Christ. Three hours before a fight. I think you did say it on your last pod, Sonny. Did that AJ victory flatter Daniel Dubois? And the thing... the thing is with Daniel Dwyer if you notice he's been stopped twice by Usyk AJ wasn't Tyson Fury wasn't and it's like he does get hit he got hit a lot against Hergovic and

He did have a bit of a life or death with JL Miller, whether you believe that or not, Kaya. And you say, when he throws his right hand, he's fucking wide open and he throws it and he falls in. And I think that shot, that backhand, that sort of arched Ivan or whatever he calls it, Usyk.

was the money shot. That's what he'd been working on. He must have hit him with that shot about 10 times. And let me tell you this. I sent it into the group, the slow motion of that shot that Usyk hits Dubois with. I'm telling you now, if you go on to chat GPT and you type in what is the best overhand fucking Ivan shot that you can throw with your backhand.

That is what they'll come up with. It is literally perfect textbook. How he throws it. Reminds me of the Pacquiao shot against Hatton. Everything. It comes from his ankle, his hip, over the top. Just as it gets the full extension, it hits him on the button. Couldn't have hit him cleaner on the jaw. So I think this, I think that shot...

would have knocked most fighters out and they don't even get their head off the canvas. That's in my opinion. I think that's what happens. I think because he's so durable and we've seen him eat a lot of shots, Daniel Dubois, I think he's took that... pretty well even though it's knocked him down but it shuttered him his whole body shook he's gone down when he's down he's done but i think because his power powers of recovery after three four

He's up. And I think he does get to his senses about five. And I think there is a little moment where Daniel Dubois thinks... This geezer beat me in the last fight and he dropped me with a jab and I probably didn't win a round and he had my number. I'm missing a lot of right hands here and I keep getting tagged. He's knocked me out. I'm done.

And he just said, I didn't want no more. Just before you say that, two things though. Just before we go into it. So if you, like, honestly, people, if you want to see Masterclass, slow down that knockout because... Dubois throws a wild right hand, okay? But it's Usyk's reaction to missing the right hand that Dubois throws. And then he sees the gap.

And he sees Dubois coming back up and he throws the left hand. It's just fucking amazing. I will say one thing, though. Dubois' right hand caught a little bit of it. It weren't pure. Not really gum shield out. Yeah, yeah. Dubois' right hand caught. He clipped it on the way. I didn't notice that. Caught some of the glove. It caught some of the glove. But, right, let's get into it. Right. So, look.

I will never use the word QUIT again. Right, I just won't. The only time I'll use it is if I see something like, you remember O'Hara Davis against Josh Taylor when he went, I'm done. That's quick. Get in the bin. You shouldn't be in the boxing room when you're doing that. Anyway, for this scenario, I'm going to have my say on it. Look, it was a heavy punch. But Parker, Wilder, Fury, AJ, Caballel, Big Baby Miller, Derek Chisora, Fabio Wardley, they'd have all beat that count.

That's all I'm going to say. I can get him in a bit more. Fuck off. You was with me until you mentioned that fucking Jesus name. The statement I've said there, all you heard was Big Baby Miller. All right, forget, put Baby Miller aside. But everyone I said, Parker Fury, AJ Wilder, Caballel, Wardley.

they'd have all beat that camp. Can I just call bollocks on that? Because I'm telling you now, I don't think AJ wakes up from that. Why just AJ? Why have you just put fished AJ's name out of all of that? I just don't. I know he kept getting up against Ruiz, but I just, I don't. Kept getting up against Dubois.

Huh? You telling me? You telling me? That shot was heavy, man. You telling me that Dubois' punch in the first round of their fight was not as hard as Usyk's fight? Not really. 100%. AJ was leaning back. And he hit him on the floor and all. He was leaning into it. He was laying back. There's no way that Usyk, a lifelong cruiserweight until the last few years.

Don't care. Originally a middleweight has thrown a heavier punch than Daniel Dubois. I think the only one getting up from that punch is Tyson Fury. No one else is. Of course it is. And Katie Taylor. Katie Taylor gets up from that. what have you got to say about the fact that in the last four seconds he was all there and then he got up and walked back to the corner

No, I agree. I will use the word quit, but I don't think... I don't care. I'd probably sit next to Don Charles on the bus and he wouldn't even know I am. So I'm just saying what I... But if you quit... I think he does. Maybe he didn't quit then, no. But I don't think it's a bad thing. He didn't want to fight no more, but it is what it is. But there are different levels of quit. Being on your knee and then you're looking at the ref, should I, shouldn't I?

And then you say you don't want to do it no more. That's worse than what. That geezer was in Narnia. It was in cuckoo land. Fucking stars are spinning around his head on the count of five. He just cleared his head. But for me, that was a hell of a shot. That was a peach peach. Shook his whole body.

I don't care if there's stars going around your head. I've seen stars going around many people's head, but they get up. They get up and then the referee has the choice to let them carry on or not. Belanga last week. Perfect example, isn't it? Belanga kept getting up, even though he's wobbling all over the gaff. Hanga didn't hit him like... It's all relative though, isn't it? You're fucking winding me up, bruv. I'll tell you what. We're going to have a fucking fool out here.

Let me just chime in real quick. I'll let you two crack on. Look, there's nothing to say that his senses weren't scrambled when he hits the deck. And it's only at the count of seven or eight, he starts gaining his head back. Then he stands up and it's so... Only Boost Mobile. Boost Mobile. We'll give you a free year of service. Free year? When you buy a new 5G phone. New 5G phone? Enough. But I'm your hype man.

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And on seven or eight, he manages to get up. Ten, he gets up. But because he's quit before, there's a fucking, he's got mud sticks, doesn't it? Yeah. So basically. Everyone's quick to just stick the boot in and call him a quitter. I'm not going to call him a quitter. He wouldn't have lasted another round anyway. So, yeah, I don't think he quit. I just think he got the fight beaten out of him by him. The best fighter that we're ever going to see. Ever.

And it's all through all the weight divisions. Last little argument, John. Last little argument. I'm about to take it back about AJ. Do you know what? I'm sitting here going, as you're saying, I've got the reasoning. Even if you put AJ to one side, Fury's been hit by Wilder. He got up. Chisora's been hit by fucking everyone and he's got up or other than Dillian White. Well, fucking David Hay took Chisora out, didn't he? David Hay hits like a fucking mule though, doesn't he?

Well, he's a cruiserweight that's gone up. I'm telling you, man, that Usyk shot was a fucking peach, man. A lot of fighters wouldn't have got up from that. Answers in the comments, ladies and gentlemen. Who's won this round? Is it Sonny or John 10-9? Would Fury have got up from that? Would Fury have got up from that? Oh, you cannot question whether Fury's getting up from a shot. Fuck me. Took that shot off a while.

and he got up from that. That would have killed most people, that shot. Does that not... I don't want to say the word quit, but does that not make Dubois close to that word? If Fury would have got up from it, you know what I mean? Yeah, you can never say anything about it. Everyone's got a different punch resistance in it. No one can say anything for sure. But then we see the Wild get hit by AJ with one of AJ's best punches. So I don't know if that was...

I think we're agreeing here. I'm just like... We certainly aren't. What are we disagreeing about? Well, two things. That was one of the most heaviest punches in the heavyweight division. I disagree. Because it's Usyk and he's been a lifelong cruiserweight and also Dubois. Hold on, hold on. Are you telling me Dubois took a bigger shot than that? I'm telling you, I think AJ, when AJ clocked him, I think that was a bigger shot.

Oh, get out of here. Stop this now. Do you know what it is? Who's the bigger puncher then? Who's the bigger puncher? AJ or Rusek? You winding me up? No, it's that delivery. I'm not having it, man. That delivery of that shot, I don't think I've seen a better fucking shot than that shot. I thought it was perfect.

I thought it was absolutely perfect. You know what? It reminded me of that shot, right? It reminded me of, and I kind of agree with both of you a little bit here, but just let me chime in. That shot was, you know, just epitomized timing beats power, didn't it? It's a bit like the Povetkin. uppercut, perfecting uppercut on Dillian White. You ain't going to get a better timed uppercut. You know, the one in COVID when he slipped uppercut. Bang. There wasn't loads on it.

but it iced him. You've never seen Dillian White iced like that before. That's what I think about the Usyk shot. Because the Usyk shot's similar, but is there more devastating, powerful punches, devastating, more powerful knockouts than that? Sonny's right, there is. There'd been people fucking knocked out cold on the floor and need gas masks and all that. There wasn't that. I know, but look, he was the heaviest he's ever come into the ring. He was what, 200 and... He was a pound heavier.

No, he weren't. It was more than a pound. He was a pound heavier. Sorry, he was two pounds heavier. No, he was five pounds heavier. No, 225. He come in 227. That's two pounds, isn't it? That's what I just said. It was two pounds. Okay, well, all right, let me say this then. He came into that ring and he said, Usyk's words, not yours, uncle, Usyk's words, he came to the ring and said, I'm going to knock Dubois out. Have you ever heard him say that about anyone?

No. So he's come in there training specifically that shot because he threw it all night to land on the button and knock him out. Mission accomplished. He threw loads of shots. That was a money shot. It was a culmination. I think he'd been moistening him up throughout the whole fight, mate. Loads of clean shots being landed on his canister. And downstairs as well.

And you know what you said earlier as well about Daniel Dubois just going for it in the fifth round? He'd never done any work before then to warrant going for it. So going for it like you said he did in the fifth is a bit of desperation for me. He's thinking, I can't fucking hit this geezer. I can't hit him. So I've just got to go for it because I can feel my gas tank evaporating. So I've just got to go for it. And I think that's basically what he did.

Daniel Dubois in that fifth round. But you've got to fucking moisten someone up and get him ready to go first. He landed nothing to fucking warrant doing that in the fifth round. Daniel Dubois. So he was a master of his own downfall for me in the whole fight. It wasn't a great performance. I'm sorry. I mean, Usyk was... Look, let me just stop talking about that. Let me just give Usyk his flowers. Defeat on the man.

I mean, it's like he's wearing slippers in there or rollerblades. It just, I don't know how he glides around. Honestly, don't know how he glides around the way he does, switching his feet, his movement. He's never, ever going back or forward in straight lines. When he throws a shot, his head is always off the line, even when he counters.

Even when he gets something off clean, never gets greedy and falls in and tries to do something extra where he can get caught. Every last little millisecond is perfection. with this man. And there is not a soul on earth that can beat him. And if anything, now I'm getting to a point where we love you, Usyk. We know you're the best. Probably one of the best that's ever done it.

but I just want you to retire now because I'm, you know, I'm going into the next fight knowing, I'm going into the next fight knowing the result already. I don't care who it's against. Just have your Parker fight and your Caballel if that's what you're going to do. Ashley. There is one man that can beat him up a tire. No, there was one man that can beat him. And it seems silly me saying it, but I know what I'm looking at is Moses. Cause Moses has got the punch variation, the speed.

and the power. And he wouldn't do what Daniel Dubois did, start jab for jabbing him and trying to outbox him. He wouldn't do that at this point. Don't get me wrong. I don't think he beats him now. He's too, you know, he's too, too much of a novice in the game. But... That type of style is the only way to beat Usyk, someone who's got all those attributes but can knock you out with one shot as well. On the basis that he's beat Wacken Bollockton.

you think he'd be you can't say it of course you can't say it but Turkey I know what I can see when Moses Turkey I was straight put the treat out didn't put the treat out say anyone to see the Parker fight he said anyone to see the who's next in line Moses Atoma But it's... And it could be. And it's Parker next, isn't it? Because it's just WBO. I'm pretty sure it's the WBO. Or they drop it.

If I'm running things, I think, see with Parker, he's next, but nobody really wants to see the fight. Even though he's sort of earned it and he should be next, it should be either him or maybe Caballel.

I think if I'm running things, I'm saying, you know what, Parker, even though I know you're next, he's just going to drop the belt and you ain't going to get the opportunity. I think it makes sense. Kabayel and Parker, you two fight for the right to see who's going to fight Usyk next and build that fight out.

put as much promotion as possible behind it. Because either one of those two are the ones that deserve the shot. It ain't fucking Tyson Fury. It ain't AJ. It's Caballel or Parker. But I don't... Parker just taking the next shot. I just don't think no one wants to see it. But if he beats Caballel... all of a sudden we're all going, whoo, he's got a chance, you know. Look at his resume. Look what he's been doing since he's been with Andy Lee. Do you know what I mean?

I think that's the problem with Parker, though, man. I would have liked to have seen him fought Dubois. He's not been in a real test for how long? When did he last fight? That's the biggest stitch-up. That's the biggest stitch-up. We should have seen that fight, Parker and Dubois, that we should have seen that. Yeah. Yeah, in a way, there's a bit of karma there because Dubois just pulled out of that fight and put Parker to one side and it's like...

that was so unfair at the time. So that fight would have told us everything we need to know. But yeah, personally, I'd love to see Parker and Caballo. I could see that's a very easy fight to make and whatnot. But I would say that Parker's... I don't think that Parker needs or deserves to have to fight Cabael in order to fight Usyk. I think he should just go straight in against Usyk. I can't lie. I'll give him no chance whatsoever.

And I really feel horrible saying that. If you're Usyk and you're at the top of the mountain, and for me, do you know how I look at Usyk? So my top three heavyweights of all time are Lee, Lennox Lewis and Usyk. And I don't know who would beat who.

That's my top three of all time. But he's at the top of the mountain. So he's got to go and do another three-month training camp, not see his wife and kids and all that, to go and fire Joseph Parker. Once you get to that point, it's about money, but it's about legacy fighting. up for it. And I don't know. He's going to go into a fight. Everyone's going to have him as the favourite. Surely, if they build up a Park of Iqabayel fight...

and it's a big fight, and it's a good fight, and there's a winner out of it, wouldn't it build a bigger narrative for him to fight the winner? But Parker's worked all this way. He's had to beat all these good opponents like Bacoli, Wilder, Zhang, and he's got right to... to the point now where he's about to get this Usyk fight for multi multi millions and you're saying go fight Cabo El for a lot lot less in a really tough fight

He's fourth in the ring and Parker's third. But who's Caballel beat? He just beat Zane. Caballel ain't really got the fan base, though. I mean, how do you sell that for him? That's what I'm saying. I think it's not right. Parker would have to fight Cabail because Cabail has beaten Zhang, but then prior to that, who'd he beat? Mahmoudov, wasn't it?

Matt Rudolph. Frank Sanchez. Frank Sanchez. Which are really good wins. And he's in the mix. But for me, he's below Parker because Parker's wins trump that. Parker used to be a world champion as well, so let's not forget that. And he's been involved in a unification fight with Joshua. So his resume and career is obviously a lot. It's a lot better to look at than Caballel's. He's slim pickings, isn't he? The problem with Moses Atoma, though, is that everyone's waxing lyrical about how good he is.

All of the boxers are saying it, right? They're the ones who are going to fucking know. They're all saying about how good he is, right? We know what we see looking at him. but he's still young. I think, is he 21? It's like, if you put him in there with Usyk, and then Usyk, you know, brutally knocks him out, right, which could happen, if he fucking starts the first two rounds, like he did that. That won't happen. If it, you can't say it won't. I can't say it. I'm saying it now.

I can write you a message if you like. Parker is getting up from that punch. I'm telling you now. Who? Parker's getting up from that punch. within three seconds. He's not letting it go. He's not letting it go. If you disagree with me, I'm walking off now. No, Parker's got a chin. Parker's got a chin. I'll take back the AJ. I don't know. Joe Joyce will tell you he ain't got a chin no one, Parker.

True. Exhaustion though, isn't it? Well, what do you think Usyk's going to do to him if that's exhaustion? Yeah, no, no. I see Usyk knocking him out late. I do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 100%. But not within the first five rounds. No way.

Usyk hasn't knocked anyone in the first five rounds. Did you do a video on that shot? Did you do a video on that shot? You know what? That's what tells me, boys. That's what tells me how wrong the mindset was for Daniel Dubois. If that knockout happens later, you can kind of half understand it. But for the fight to go the way it did...

As one-sided as it was, it just... Honestly, I feel bad for Dubois. Because I don't think he has the personality and the character to just grab the ball by the horns. I think he... He requires his team. He needs his team. Like David A, he could probably get in the ring on his own. Chris Sheubank Jr. Do you know what I mean? But he's not that character.

So he relies on instruction, relies on guidance. And I feel like they all fucked him. The whole corner, all that fucking entourage fucked him. And as a result of that, he got knocked out early. Usyk never does that to anybody. Anybody. And you're talking about a top-level heavyweight here, and he just made him look like a complete amateur. But not that early, John. No one saw that. Bookie's cleaned up. Bookie's cleaned up.

But every time Usyk gets in there, when he gets in there second time, he knows he's already downloaded the data. He knows what's coming. He's going to be a better fighter. He didn't land one significant shot in the whole fucking fight.

Not that I might remember it. Yeah, but that's testament to Usyk, Guy. No, these are elite level heavyweights. You can land a shot, for fuck's sake. Everyone does. Not when your head's all over the fucking shop like this. How can you land on that? Nobody else could. Go to the body. You know that shot he throws in the fifth round?

Show me a fight where he throws a shot like that. Oh, we've done this now. It was 70% to put him into it. He's fucking throwing that shot to knock him out. There's no other explanation for it. a shot like that. It's just a perfectly timed hook. It's an unbelievable shot. It's an unbelievable shot. Someone get him some Kleenex. Go on to Daniel Dubois. What does he do next? Let me just say this.

I agree. I feel sorry for Daniel Dubois as well. What does he do now? Apparently he earned £50 million from that fight. I heard £10 million. I heard £100 million. I heard £71. Fucking hell. He earned a lot of money from that fight. And I'm thinking to myself, he sort of... His dad is his mentor. He loves his dad. You can see the relationship they've got. It's a very close relationship. He's been a bit of a project to be this fighter, to be this world champion.

I feel like he's just doing what his dad wants him to do, which I've already said. Arguably, he's put you in the right position. You've earned a lot of money. You're a wealthy man. You've become a world champion. I feel like he's doing a lot of what his dad wants him to do. And then it's like Don Charles is there in the corner. Now, my opinion is even when his dad is not speaking, when Don Charles is speaking, he's not even looking at him.

It's like it's a weird relationship. They don't get on. He shoved him in the face off before. He never, ever gives him any praise. It's almost like, do you even want him there? Now, I listened to Spencer Fearon, and he said... The dad wanted to get Rob McCracken. And then Spencer Theron said, oh, why don't you go with Don Charles? Like, he knows the culture, blah, blah, blah. Maybe it's like a confidence thing and all of that, which I thought, okay, all right.

You know, the dad's saying him. Spencer Theron said that. So they've brought in Don Charles. So that's a conversation between Spencer Theron and the dad. That's right. Daniel Dubois not even having any input in it. So he might not even fucking like Don Charles. I like the way he goes about his business. So he's being trained with someone maybe you don't want to be trained with. He's got a house party with people that he might not want. And it's like, is he...

Who's he doing this for? He's made his money. He's been a world champion. I think a lot of people do love him. He's a lovable character. So it's like going forward, if he's going to stay in the game, I feel like he needs to do it for him. Like, do your own thing here. Stop worrying about other people. Maybe you go out and find a new trainer. Do you know what I mean? It's his dad. He loves his dad. But if you're going to stick with Don, just start doing things.

For yourself, I feel like you're doing stuff or acting and a part of something that don't fit who you are. Do you know what I mean? Been watching a bit of Dave Allen of you, Johnny B. He said words to that effect, yeah. Oh, he's plagiarising Dave Allen. Oh, obviously. What did he say? He said the same stuff. No, he said pretty much the same thing, yeah. But if you ain't seen it, then yeah, you two are just bang on the same thing. No, I saw you said a lot of that.

offensive fear on he said that. This is the question. Johnny Bate, does he survive? Don? No. Kaya? Depends on the contract they've got signed. I reckon Don probably, I don't think he wanted Don there for this fight, but obviously got some sort of an agreement. No, he can't survive. None of them can survive. Not even his dad. But I don't know if Daniel's got... No, his dad can be there, but just be quiet and sit in the fucking corner like all the other dads. It's not going to happen.

Well, then he's not going to progress. You need to listen to your coach. You need to be a fighter and coach in that corner and nobody else, unless the father is the coach. Do you know what I mean? Which happens, obviously. But other than that, everyone should be binned off after that. That was shocking.

And, you know, sorry, let me just add to this. Everything I just said, you know what I'm saying? Like, be your own match. Like, when you got in the ring against Usyk, when they're talking to him about his dad and his fucking, like...

Who's told you to get in the ring? Do you see what I'm saying about? Do your own thing. See Parker. Parker's at that fight and then he didn't want to get in. Someone was interviewing him and he says, look, I don't want to get in this easy moment, blah, blah. He's asked to go in the ring and then he's gone in there. He's very, very respectful. spoke to him, okay. I feel like Daniel Dubois is doing stuff because other people are telling him to do it. I feel like you've earned your money now.

You've been a world champion. Stop. Just fucking be yourself. Stop doing all this stuff where I'm looking and thinking, that ain't you. You're being told to do that. Just play your own game now. And I think he's got fights left. He's 27. You wouldn't want to see Daniel Dubois v. Moses Atoma, Daniel Dubois v. Caballel. Oh, mate, yeah. No, listen, he's not done, mate. Absolutely not done. He's got all the tools.

the power, the knockout power, that, you know, he's got that frighteningly fast, sharp jab that everyone feels, you know, says it feels like a backhand. Who said that? Was it Rob McCracken? Who took him on? It was Richie Woodall that said it. I think. Took him on the pads. That jab was like a backhand. We didn't see it, though. We didn't see it. I don't think that jab was in full force at all on Saturday night. But no, he's not finished, mate. He's fucking...

27 years of age and you're finished. That's ridiculous. Ridiculous talk. Loads of big fights out there for him. You know, he's still in the top 10 and he just needs one or two more big wins and he's back in the mix. And he's lost to Usyk. He's lost to Usyk and he's lost to Joe Joyce. Joe Joyce was early on. Usyk, as you say, I'll put him in my top three ever for what I see with my eye test, my whatever limited knowledge. That's how I look at that guy.

A lot of people put him up there. So you've lost to the best. So Usyk's going to retire within a couple of years. AJ's gone. Fury's gone. So when you look at the heavyweight landscape, you're telling me you don't beat... Wardley, Bacoli, F.A. Jaguar, Caballel, Parker. Justice Hooney in there now. Put Justice in there. He did loads of great fights. He could beat any one of those guys on his day. No, I agree.

But I want to just quickly shine a light as well, not quickly, on Oleksandr Usyk. The talk about where does he fit in the all-time greats. For me, I've done a lot of... I nearly did a video when we was doing... Just after Love Boxing TV, before we linked up with Sonny, I was doing a video for a channel as well about the golden era. And I studied a little bit of that era. A lot of difference between now and then is that the game's evolved a lot. Back then, it was more barbaric.

less emphasis on defense. It was just wars, war after war. That's why a lot of them ended up. punch drunk and having issues after their career had finished. People like Jerry Quarry and obviously Muhammad Ali and people just end up punch drunk from all that head trauma. But Usyk for me...

is the perfect example of a fighter that has mastered offense and defense in the fight. It's a bit like a heavyweight version of Roy Jones in a lot of ways, obviously not as quick and not with that frightening knockout power, but he would have, in my mind... He would have beaten Joe Frazier. He would have beaten...

Ken Norton. Ken Norton beat Mahmoud Ali twice, even though he didn't get the decision the third time. He definitely beat him and got robbed. Would he have beaten George Foreman? Prime George Foreman? Maybe. I don't know. George Foreman did that thing when he fought. Used his hands a lot to parry hands. and get his own work off his hands. His guard was quite far in front of him. George Foreman used to maraud forward. What he did to Joe Frazier in Jamaica.

I mean, he could have done something similar to Usyk, just parrying hands and just countering off those parries. So maybe a prime George Foreman I'd give a chance against Usyk. But then you start going through, I mean, prime Mike Tyson. I think for me, I'm not going to do a top three. I'll do a top five. Probably Mark Tyson when he was 20-21 was a fucking animal. That lateral movement and those hooks and the power, you'd have to put him in there. Usyk Stephanie in there. Lennox Lewis.

Yeah, he's knockout power. Defensively, he was great. He was really good in the clinch as well, Lennox. He could make it really ugly in the clinch. You'd have to put Lennox in there. Mohamed Ali, obviously. But then Mohamed Ali got hit a lot. Would Usyk have beat Ali? Maybe not prime. Maybe not prime. That would have been a fucking incredible fight.

Same height, same weight, same birthday. Honestly, it would have been like watching a lightweight fight or a middleweight fight or something like that, but a heavyweight. So that I would love to have seen. He would have beaten the crap out of Muhammad Ali in the latter stage of his career, though.

even though Muhammad Ali adopted this style when he was sitting off the ropes and stuff and he was just muddling his way through fights. I think that caused a lot of the Parkinson's later on down the line. But yeah, you'd have to put him in there. He's definitely top five, top three.

I don't know, maybe, but 100% he's top five of all time. Pound for pound as well, I think. Maybe just heavyweights are stocked with a pound for pound, but certainly top five heavyweights, maybe even top three. How can you not be? Yep. Yeah, mate. Right. Just on what's next. We've done Usyk. Okay. And just by the by the by, I saw... Ade talking about it the other day. He was talking about Opataya. He said, like, the only one that I could see really making the fight competitive is Opataya.

And I totally agree, right? I don't think Opatai wins the fight. I really don't. But I'm just looking at it thinking, well, if you put a plodding heavyweight in there, like a Martin Bacoli or an AJ or a Fury, someone who's just big and don't do a lot of... movement, he's going to beat them. And Parker, I'll put in that category as well. But Opataya, he could come out a little bit, you know...

a little bit more elusive than all of them. He could have a lot more in his gas tank than all of them, being a cruiser weight. If he could just put on that sort of bivol movement and that sort of bivol display, then he could... potentially cause Usyk some troubles, but I would have Usyk to win. Yeah, but that's the only one I can think of, really. But then moving on to... Yeah, go on, sorry.

No, just like Opatai and Moses Atoma. You look at them and you think the size, the weight, the movement, like that speed. But then, yeah, you've got a guy fighting a cruiserweight that hasn't really had the fights, hasn't got the resume, and then you've got a new kid on the blocks. It's clutching, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah. I can't make a case for Moses. I think he gets wiped out. Give him a six-month rest.

Give Usyk a six-month rest and then figure this shit out and get some fights going between these guys and then one will rise up and you've just got to look at him and go, wow, Moses Atoma just knocked out.

I don't know, fucking up a tyre. If they could make that fight, if he goes up the heavyweight or Moses Tomer knocks out Josie Parker, then all of a sudden it's like the crowd will call for it. But I think they need to make some fights, man. Let me ask you this quickly. What fight do you want for Dubois next? I was going to ask you this real quick. I'll answer that.

What does bigger numbers or does more subscriptions? I know pay-per-view is fucking dead as well, by the way. Go on, Turkey, son. Binning off pay-per-view. Fucking love that, man. What does bigger numbers? Usyk Atalma. Usyk Parker. Oh, Parker. I disagree. I totally disagree. Nobody knows. I think you can, you can sell that fucking, yeah, but you can sell that fight as a town will be in the next coming. No, no, no. The new kid on the block, the changing of the guard. Maybe I'm wrong.

Maybe I'm wrong. No way. Yeah, you're probably right. It probably is Parker, but I reckon I can just see the promos for that. I think Atoma could just... Yeah, just walk down the street. No one's going to know who he is. Yeah, you're probably right. We're in the fish bar with him, so we don't... I don't think we... What would you want to see more?

What would excite you more? Atoma. Get you off your fucking... Atoma, 100%. Absolutely. And I think a lot of boxing fans would... If you ask a lot of boxing fans what they would rather see... who they'd rather see Usyk fight next. I guarantee a lot of them pick Otoma. Parker's going to lose his fucking shit if Atuma gets that fight next. How fucking fuming is Parker and Andy Lee going to be? Jesus. Maybe there's a reason for that. Maybe just don't do the numbers. That's not fair.

It's not fucking fair. Right, anyway, moving on from that because that's getting boring. Right, Dubois. Who next? Kaya. Marius Wack. For Dubois. It's a funny joke, obviously. Okay. A good fight for Dubois is someone like a fit Bacoli. Yeah. How about that? Love it. Like that? Love that fight. John? Yeah, it's not a bad fight. I just think at this time...

It's like, I don't know. As I just said earlier, yeah, he can come back and fight, but surely the whole point is to be a world champion. He ain't going to get no shot at no belt for a long time. So he's going to come back and it's just going to be about earning the money because obviously he's been making a lot. of money it's all about big money fights but it's really I mean Wardley would he fight would he fight Wardley would Wardley entertain Dubois that's a good fight yeah I like that

I disagree. I think Frank's going right. Frank is in the office now going, right, we need to get Dubois back into world title contention as soon as possible because when Usyk retires, Daniel Dubois... is going to be the king. Because AJ's going to go, Fury's going to go, and he's only 27 years old or whatever.

Frank's game plan is to get Dubois back there as soon as possible because he could potentially reign for a long time because he's going to be one of the top contenders. All the rest of them are going to fall away. I don't know whether... I'll have to look at the...

you know, what governing body is he a part of at the minute? Like, what's the one that he's sort of firmly in? I don't know. He ain't in any of them. I'm looking, mate. He's not in one of them. Is he really? No. But yeah, I love Bacoli. I love the Bacoli fight. I think number one for me is AJ. I think you just run that back. Why not? It's fucking a no-brainer. No-brainer. Run that back. But then I'd say I love Bacoli. I love Bacoli or Zhang.

He's got to get the street cred back, hasn't he? The thing is, with the AJ fight, they're both coming off the big losses. I don't know. Is he going to sell Wembley? How much money are they going to get? Yeah. Long road back. Well, it's not a long road back. Couple of big wins. Who do you want as your number one, two, three, John? What? As the heavyweights? For Dubois. What? Of who to fight? Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, I'd like to see the AJ fight again to see what was that, you know, that shot. Wardley, I'd like to see Wardley V Dubois. Yeah, do you know what? I just feel like... It's such a massive loss for Dubois. Do you know what I mean? Because Usyk's up there now. I suppose the belts could fragment. He could win another title. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, I don't know. Caballel Parker.

Wardley. The problem with Dubois there is in the who needs him club. Yeah. No one's really going to want to fight him because of the danger that he brings. And all those sitting at the top of their sanctioning bodies. They're going to want to sit on their position for the big payday. So that's the problem. So he's going to have to look a bit further down on the list. He is a big payday though.

Yeah, but he's not going to be bigger than fighting for the titles, is it? If you're at the top of the rankings. Yeah, but the titles ain't going to be anywhere near anyone anytime soon, are they? Because Usy's got six months off, he's going to keep them titles. No, one of them will be binned.

one of them's going to get called. WBO will probably get beat. He's been undisputed twice. He ain't going to pay the sanctioning fees again. He's not going to do it. He will drop one of them, maybe two of them. When you look at the WBA, Pulev... is the regular. Hunter is number one. Atoma, number two. Miller, number three. Yeah, if he enters that, has he got more of a shot at Atoma if he wins that belt?

Fuck knows. I just think he's in a complete and utter rebuilding mode with his life, really, of what's going on with the dad, fucking house parties, people telling him what to do all the time. I think he needs to take time out. Do what Fury's done. Do what AJ's done. Sit out. Just let the rest of the video... and start fighting each other maybe and then see what's out there for him. I think he's in a weird position at the minute. I think that's a big loss. If anything, just lastly on this...

All those revelations with the party and all that have come out. It's almost done in... a little bit of a favor in terms of, obviously not with the fight, but now there's a reason why he performed the way he did. And that in itself keeps his stock high.

Because if there would have been no problems and he got ice like that, battered and knocked out in the fifth round, I think his stock falls a little bit. But now people are going, oh, well, was it the corner? Was it the party? Was it this? You know, I think his name still holds a little bit more value.

Based on all of that. Mate, he'd have got fucking walloped, whatever he did. He could have fucking sat there meditating, visualising all day. He'd have got walloped. You don't know. He could have got there the night before, mate. Nobody knows. Mate, he'd have got walloped. He'd have got absolutely walloped. Nobody knows. Nobody beats that version of Usyk. You two are talking shit. You weren't that shot like John says, but I'm joking. There you go. Yeah, Wilder's not taking that fight.

It's quite exciting, though, because there's a lot of good fights to be made right now. If we assume that Usyk's up there and Usyk's going to be either Parker or Ituma, or maybe fucking Fury, but everyone else... Get a fucking move on. Make some big fights. There's so many good fights for Cody versus Zhang. Zhang versus AJ. Fucking Zhang versus Dubois. Dubois versus Caballel. Make the fights. Come on, people. Start moving now. Why is Caballel...

When did Parker fight over a year ago? Caballel. When did Caballel fight last? Fucking ages ago. Tyson Fury, he's back, but he's not back. Caballel fought in February. Who did he fight in February? Was that Zhang? Zhang. Yeah, all right, I'll let you off, Cabrio. But Fury, AJ, what the fuck are you doing? Do you know what they're doing? They're all waiting around, giving it the big, and I'll only come back if it's a big fight and all that. But really what they're doing is waiting by the phone.

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Go to shopify.com slash retail. Make a fight because time is running out and time ain't on a lot of their sides. But yeah, someone needs to make a move and put an offer in there. Actually, the whole roster of fucking everyone at the minute is really frustrating. Matchroom, Queensbury, nothing going on, man. And yeah, all these heavyweights are sitting around. Go on.

Yeah, I was going to say, like, there's nothing on this week, is there? Who we got on this week? Balotty and Garner. Garner the Piranha. Right. Sorry to interrupt. Go on, mate. What was you saying? No, yeah, it's Pony because we got Dillian White and Moses Atoma in August and fuck all else. Right. Do you want to say anything else about Lawrence Coley? Nah.

I mean, he's in the mix as well. He's in the mix, isn't he? Do you know what? The commentary as well, by the way, and I know Adam Smith's got a big up to the fighters, but he was almost passing it off as a really impressive... Look, he's injured. He's injured. So we've got to not say as much as we probably would have said had he not been injured. It was... Look, regardless of any of that, Laurence Acoli, I'm pretty convinced, has got OCD. It's got OCD. It's a holding condition.

where he feels if he's anywhere... You're your favourite fighter. I've been saying this for ages. Wait, wait. When he gets anywhere near a fighter, he's just got this obsessive compulsiveness to put his arms out and grab. He does it. He looks for the grab, though. You don't see many other fighters doing it. When he's breaking the distance, he's mid-range. He knows he's not that great on the inside. You can see his arms come out. It's like, come and give me a little grab, please.

And that's it. That's just how he fights. He just absolutely loves to hug. And it's different when... You see clinches. You see messy fights. They fall in and they're trying to fight and they get tangled up and the referee goes break and they start again. But he actively looks for it. I'm seriously considering the possibility that he has OCD. a compulsive disorder to grab. Worst style. It's not OCD then, is it? Obsessive compulsive disorder of grabbing. Oh, I see what you're saying, yeah.

Is it not just the fact that he's not mastered the art of not holding? You know what I mean? It's the brain signal. I don't think he can help it. Oh, right. I honestly don't think. I think it's like a tick. I think it's just he's done it all his whole life. He just goes, oh. Out of the arms go, oh, I'm holding now. It's either that or you can't keep doing it because you're getting pulled up about it every fucking fight. Can't keep doing it.

Honestly, I was bored to tears during the fight. It is amazing that we're still here after all these years of complaining about him doing that. We're still here after all these years, injury or not, and he's still doing it. It's annoying, man. Chief support! Chief support. He's number one in the WBC.

Number one. Cab-I-L's number one, isn't it? Fucking hell. We should fucking high up in the WBC. That's the next fight, isn't it, for Cab-I-L, by the way. You lot are talking about Cab-I-L, Parker. Cab-I-L, Coley's next. Oh. You know what I mean? It's got to be, isn't it? Fuck me. I just don't want to watch it. I don't want it like, what it is. It'll be on a fucking massive Riyadh card. It's a fucking headline. He's got a long jam. 80 quid.

He takes a step back. He's fucking a mile out of the way and he's got a hard right hand. And it's like, he's just mastered the art of, I'm going to do that. You have to take the risk to close the distance. So it's all on you. I'm going to just play this chess match for 12 rounds. I don't care if everyone boos. This is boring as fuck. This is what I'm going to do. And when they do commit, if they miss, he might clock them.

or he falls in, he hugs him to death. Don't fall in and hug, though. He looks for the hug. There's no lateral movement, fucking side to side. He is actively looking to hug. Actively. When he's jockeying for position, if he can't see a shot that he likes to land, gets a bit close, he goes, all right, I'm going to hug now. So I'm just going to hug him. Madness. You don't see any fighters really doing that. No heavyweights. No any fighters doing that.

I don't see him anyway. It's overkill, isn't it? It's overkill. Who wins out of him and Caballel? Caballel. You shouldn't even have to think about it. Caballel. No, I know, but if he comes, but he's got such long levers, if he finally does put them to use, he's a fucking nightmare for Cavalier. Not Chris Billam-Smith, he's there to be hit, mate.

No, I know because that's what I'm saying. He's not using his attributes correctly. Nobody's taught him how to use his attributes correctly. Who's his trainer? I don't know why. Gallagher. That's Gallagher, isn't it? That's it. Gallagher, he changed, didn't he? Yeah. The only one he looked good with was Shane McGuigan for a period. And then since then, it's gone to shit. Like, Sugarhill Steward. Good training though, that's Sugarhill. Don't get me started.

Yeah, and Gallagher now, like, it looked amazing against Muhammad, older Kohli, but, you know what I mean? Like, in this fight, I know he had the bicep injury, but... Lorraine is a good fighter, though. It's tricky. You see when he punched himself in the face? Mate, that was a great shot. That was a great shot of the night. He fucking stunned himself. You go back and watch it. I watched it a couple of times. Fucking, he really caught himself clean there.

But Lorraine didn't come to knock out a Cody, did he? No, he was fucking tuppence and all, wasn't he? Absolute tuppence, the geezer. He just had a full 360 there. He's gone on. He's a good fighter, Lorena. No, he was tricky. He just didn't. Yeah, he was performing. I just feel it's such a hard style to look good against. I really do.

Yeah. Right. Anyway, I thought Daniel Lappin won. Myself. Did you? Yeah. Just nicked it. Terrible. He's a hype job, though. I'll give you that much. He looks the part. It looks like he could be in a movie. Doesn't it look like fucking a light heavyweight Ivan Drago or something? Looks the part, fucking looks menacing, but he is wide open. A big punch in light heavyweight is going to clean his clock for him.

That's how it's going to end up for him if you don't fucking tighten up. Louis Edmonton was landing him at will first half of the fight. Clean shots. Obviously, don't hit hard. he was able to weather the storm, but you stick him in there with someone like Anthony Yard, he gets sent over the top rope. Yeah. John. I didn't watch it. You've fallen asleep. Oh, really? No, no, I didn't watch it. You've done yourself a favour.

You've done yourself a fiver, bro. It was a good fight. I thought it was a good fight. Tearing myself out of the pub to go and watch Lapid. Yeah, but that's a six-point prodigy, isn't it? I thought it was fucking boring. I thought you were delivering in phases, that fight.

I mean, I'm comparing it to fucking Lawrence Acoli, and the main event was all right. It was too one-sided for me. The problem with that undercard is that on paper, it never looked like it was going to be exciting, and then it weren't. Yeah, it was disappointing, wasn't it?

Where's the big fucking stacked cards? Hey, John, where the fuck are the stacked cards, mate? I'm going to watch something every week. Well, where the fuck are these fights every week? They're not fucking here, are they? Give me them stacked cards back. Please. Right. Talk about stack cards. Let's do... You said you had some good old news round up. I've got a little couple of bits and bobs to float your way. I want to see what you...

Can you move away from the mic a little bit, bro? Because you're getting a bit close. You know what I'm saying? You're getting all up in the grill over here. Airy muff. Where is it? What did you lot think, I don't know if you've seen it, of Manny Pacquiao's performance? I see the highlights. You've seen it? I see the highlights. I see the highlights, yeah. No, I don't know. Does that say more about Manny Pacquiao or more about how shit Barrios is?

Do you know what? I saw something on Instagram and I had to totally agree. Someone put up a post and they said, Floyd Mayweather at 48 could come back now and beat Barrios. I agree. I agree. Barrios is the worst world champion out there. Literally. I think he's obviously in debt, isn't he? He's obviously got money problems, Pacquiao. He must be. He's calling out.

Mayweather to have that fight. He did look good, though. You can see, like, the Pacquiao movement and that, getting his shots together. Obviously, he's a lot slower. He looks a bit thicker set or whatever, but he's, yeah, it's just, I wish they'd just stay retired, these fighters, man. More importantly, did you see what Turkey said about Tim Zhu? I know. What did he say? I told you he wasn't a Riyadh fighter. Yeah, he said, I told you he wasn't a Riyadh fighter.

And the best he could be is a sparring partner for the people on the Riyadh season cards. I thought it was going to sting hearing that, innit? But that's going to sting, though, innit? I don't particularly like that, but it is what it is. I think there's something going on there. I think Tim Zhu's told him to fuck off in so many words. Something's happened. He's tried to make a fight.

Turkey's tried to make a fight with him and somehow he's just absolutely ruined the negotiations or something like that. I can only imagine that's why there's a bit of beef. What do you boys reckon does... want to first congratulate Josh Taylor for a great career. Is he a future boxing hall of famer? What do you reckon? Yes or no? Oh yeah. Yeah.

Undisputed. Can't take that away from him, can you? You'd have to say, wouldn't you? Yeah. He was a very good fighter. Where he come from as well, from his whatever taekwondo background or whatever martial art he did, got into boxing late. I think he won the Commonwealth Games. runny went on I don't I don't remember I can't remember the figures it was something like his opponents had yeah fuck knows 150 wins no losses he was fighting undefeated after

fighter after undefeated fighter. One after the other, Victor Postol, Baranchik, Regis Progray, Jose Ramirez. Then obviously the casual fights happened. There was another one. I missed one in there as well. Beat up old OD, didn't he? That was a good build-up. Yeah, he just went on a good little run, didn't he? Oh, ping-pong. Remember he knocked that geezer ping-pong out? Yeah, that was it. Ping-pong. You've got me saying it and all. I was about to say ping-pong.

Ping pong ping. Yeah, wicked fighter. Wicked personality. Wicked entertaining. Definitely stick him in there. Yeah, he's got a guy in there, hasn't he? Whatever he does, hopefully he gets a little part on the... On the punditry now. Yeah, I'd love to. He speaks really, really well. I'd love to have him on there because I figured hold no...

But hold no whatever. You know what I'm trying to say. Pull no punches. Pull no punches. Yeah. Pull no punches. Hold no butter. Hold no butter. Hold no carrots. Do you know what with him? He goes down to, you know, not having... Paul, no broccoli. I don't know. You know, having good people around you, just quickly, you know, when he won against Catterall the first fight, but he lost. If you just look back at that moment, if he would have just played that right at the time.

You know, I just feel like he'd be looked upon more favourably by the public. And I feel that just killed his whole profile. Just by just carrying on with the whole, I won the fight, blah, blah. Then he obviously, he was getting stick from Catterall. So obviously he fought back and then it just...

Didn't sit right with everyone, did he? Like, I don't know. He should have just said, I don't know. He's never going to say, I suppose, I lost the fight. But yeah, I think that's what fucked him up. We look at some fights, don't we? And we go, right, we know who won that fight. But the loser... will just not let it slide they're just convinced and they so you can't really

You know what I mean? I don't, like, it's like, it's almost like Tyson Fury, isn't it? He's never going to let up that he lost them two fights. He's so fucking deluded, isn't he? Did you see the last video he did? Like, when he's running and that. But are you saying that to Josh Taylor? though? Yeah, I suppose so. But yeah, I agree.

Yeah, them videos are frustrating. I can't get my head around. If you come across anyone that thinks Twice and Fury beat Usyk, oh, did Nick Peake say it once? Is he still saying that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, but I'll look at the comments tonight. It's kind of my job, and a lot of people do say I think Fury won that fight. Right, okay. Fair enough. Maybe they're Fury fans.

A couple of pundits and promoters have had their saying who beats Usyk, who's got a chance of beating Usyk. Barry McGuigan. He would never beat him, mate. How old is he now? Yeah, I reckon he could get in there now and do a job on him. No, he's come out and said...

Usyk needs to avoid Atalma, because I think Atalma's the dangerous one out of all of them. And Eddie Earn's gone the other way. He's gone with Opataya. But you can see what they're saying, though. That's kind of speed. Speed of hand, speed of foot. punch power. It's the only way to really put a dent in Usyk. Just on the Atoma thing, how is he going to beat Usyk when... He's never even headlined a show.

So first of all, that fight's at Wembley or it's somewhere massive. So the nerves and all that coming into the ring, he's never experienced any of that before. Then you put him in the ring with an absolute genius. right, considering he's never fought anyone inside the top 30, leave off. He'll get battered. Yeah, but Sonny, Sonny, these stories happen in sport.

It's happened for generations. You know, you get an up and coming superstar. When? Everyone can see how good they are. When's it happening in boxing? Well, it's like... Mike Tyson batted... No, not Mike Tyson. Muhammad Ali beat the shit out of Sonny Liston. No one expected him. He was 8-1 underdog. I bet he had a fuckload of fights before that, though, Kyle. It was Muhammad Ali.

Yeah. Well, no, but no one of any note. He's gone in there. Sonny Liston was supposed to have fucking murdered him in there and he played with him and stopped him. He didn't come out for the seventh round. So when you get a special talent, sometimes you don't need to see. him in loads of fights to know how good he is. You can just see it by looking at it and, you know, framing the lines, then fuck it. Fuck it. We can all see what we're looking at with Moses, right? I don't need to see him beat.

Zang. No, we need one more. Kyle, we need one more. No, no, we need a couple more, but I don't... No, no. I promise. I guarantee you now, I personally think sometimes you get these prodigies in sports. You just get them. And he's come out of the blue. The boxing gods have sent him to us. And I know what I can see with him. And I think he will give Usyk a hell of a fight even now. And I'd say that with confidence. I don't say he beats him. Do you think Moses is a toe mark?

Gets up from that shot that Usyk hit Dubois with. This fucking conversation won't leave us. We've been talking for an hour and a half. Do you? I don't think Moses gets hit by that shot. We just want to answer it. Sam, we don't know that, do we? We don't know. Anything else? Yeah. There was another one. Fans are worried about training footage of Terence Crawford. Why is that then? All right, go and Google that. I don't know why. That was just a story that popped up.

Go Google that one. You can imagine fucking Trevor McDonald saying that, can't you? Go Google that one, please. Looks like, look, I've got a question. Looks like Chris Hugh, mate, is not going to be ready for September the 20th. A couple of questions. One. should he be ready? He's had enough time or, you know, did I have to play to his tune? They kind of do a little bit. That's my answer to it. And does Conor Ben wait till say December to do that fight? Does he wait another three months?

They're talking about November, aren't they? Yeah. So late November, early December, something like that. You've got to wait it out. You're already at 160 pounds. You're not going to start fighting Barrios for his belt. You've got to wait it out.

It's only another three months of your life. Is Chris unprofessional by not being ready for it? He said he knew the date. I don't know. I don't know what to make of it. I'm a little bit on the fence with whether I blame Chris for the September 20th date or not. There is no way. I absolutely put my stake in the ground now. There is no way Chris don't take this fight and Chris don't have this fight. There is no way.

because it's a winnable fight. It's the most money. It's at Wembley. There is no way he's going in any other direction other than this fight. I don't know why. I assume that the only reason that he wants it in November is because that'll give him more time and he... wants that more time to just make sure that he wins the fight. But there is no way he is not in this fight in November.

Guaranteed. Connor Ben as well. I don't agree with him. He's scared. I know he's trying to flush him out. How can he be scared? It's easy for Connor to say. He ain't got to make weight. He can eat whatever he likes and he'll probably still be two or three pounds under the 160 pound limit. Chris has got to kill himself no matter what stage he's at.

I think he has, mate. He's fucking about 38 years old. I don't know how old he is. 37, 30. He does to make 160. Bollocks, yeah. Simple as that. Just bollocks. Big hairy swinging ones. So did you ever see Chris? Bank crying and killing himself and fucking sauna himself up in any other 160 fights? I'm sure he has. He just hasn't posted it on socials. There's no need to do it against Zerometa.

Adamis and fucking Yanabek, Liam Smith, fucking McKenna, all those weights around. Everyone's killing themselves at that weight. Do you know what I think? The big man's spoken. Turkey Arrow shakes like... It's done then. If you're not fighting on that date, and he's the one who's going to pump loads of money into the fight to give them their wages, to give them their purses. So if he don't want to know that, you know, he's...

Has Chris Eubank risked that opportunity now? Or is there enough money in this fight between Eddie Hearn and, I don't know, his boxers still involved to just put it on at Wembley? Because this fight with Dubois and Usyk has nothing to do with Turkey and El Sheikh, was it?

Was it? I don't think it was, was it? What do you mean? This fight with Dubois and Ushik. Well, it had Riyad season on it, but yeah, it wasn't a turk down and shake card. It was a Queensby promotion show, wasn't it? It weren't ring on Riyad. So that's why the undercard was fucking pony then. There you go, yeah. That just explains it, doesn't it? And that's also why Dubois did not earn 70 million quid. No fucking way. Because there weren't that much money.

There weren't that sort of money in there to give him and Lusik 140 millions worth. No way. Well, that's why Eubank Jr. is playing hardball then, because then he knows at Wembley we don't really need him. We can still get decent money at Wembley without Turkey LL shake. So is Ben now going to be dictated to by Eubank? Is he going to wait a run? Like, if he's up at that weight, if he goes down to 147 for a shot at Barrios... Ah, stunning. It's over.

You ain't going to go down and come back up. You ain't going to do that. No one in any fucking half a brain cell would do that. You just wait another two months. They're talking about November. It's another eight weeks. Just wait it out. The fight will happen. There's too much money involved. Plus, they're bidding off pay-per-views, so they're going to try and grow the subscription base as much as they can. So, yeah. I've got to be honest. I'm more interested in Canelo Crawford.

Yeah, you back then. Just don't really excite me. Like those fucking bollocks again. Watch after the Canelo Crawford fight. I can't wait to do the pod after that fight. And that's providing you both make it. Do you know what? Sorry, just quickly. If I was Ben, I would just... figure out, can I get down to 147 healthily? Can I do it? Can I make the weight? Because at 145, 154, he gets cleaned out by about three or four fighters, in my opinion. He ain't winning a world title at 145.

What? What's that face for? You think he beats 1-5-4? Maybe. Nah. Just saying it. Cleaned out by everyone's a bit. He's gone from four or five to everyone. You just said he got cleaned out by everyone. Okay, I'll tell you what now. Let me tell you what. So he did get cleaned out by 165. No, I didn't say everyone. How can you say that? I didn't say everyone.

Did I say four or five? You said three. You said he gets cleaned out by about three fighters. I said four or five. But anyway, so Crawford, Ben, who wins? Yeah, Crawford. Crawford, Ben. Crawford's a 168 fire. Ortiz Jr. Ben, who wins? There's Ortiz Jr. now a 154 fire. Madrimov. Legit. Madrimov. Boruchuk. Fundora. Come on, man. Drop me out. And then who's going up there as well is, what's his name? Boots154. Yeah, but Chris Hubank couldn't clean him out. Who? Chris Hubank couldn't clean him out.

You fit any of those fighters I've just said? I'm just coming back at you with a counter-argument. He's didn't get knocked out by a middleweight. I don't rate Chris Eubank. I never have done. Fair enough. Yeah, you're probably right. But Conor Benn, come on, Conor Benn's got all the fucking balls in the world. He'll go in there and give it a go. Does he get stopped by all of them?

I don't think he does. He might lose all of them, but I don't think he gets stopped by all of them. If he can make 1-4-7, he might be able to do something down there. He will, but he's got to do this fight first. Get his 10 mil. And then you'll see him trying to look for belts, I think. And then we'll see how fucking good he is. In one of your phrases, Johnny B, we'll see the rubber will meet the road. Oh, dear. Anything else, Carl? Nah, I'm done, mate.

Fuck all else. I did some fights on this weekend. I was going to quickly touch on it. Xander Zayas, 22 years of age, attempts to be the 154 WBO champion. There you go. Does Xander Zayas beat Conor Benn? Probably beats the shit out of him. You want to have a say on Garnabalotti, John?

Yeah, well, what do you think? I think it's a good fight. I think it's going to be a good scrap. I think they're, but it says for the British title, the Commonwealth title, some of those, do you know what? Big up Kingsbury Promotions as well. They've just done that one. I think this is their show.

Yeah, putting it on. So yeah, I think it's going to be a good fight. I think Garner the Piranha, that's got to be one of the best aliases in boxing. I love that. Garner the Piranha. But yeah, I think it's going to be a good fight. I think they both can... I think they both can fight. I think they both can come forward. I think he's got good hands, that Garner. Both on, you know, decent run. What's your prediction, boys? I can't go against Rhys. Can't go against Rhys, man.

And this is to win the belt outright, I think. I'm just looking at it now. This is his third defence of the British title. So he gets to put that on his mantelpiece. Gets to keep it. I can't go against Reece. I'm going to go with Rhys by a stoppage. John? I'm going for Garner. I'm going for Garner. I think he's mustard. I think he's a good fighter. I think he throws his hands well.

He's got a snap, a bit of spite in his shots. He's got the gas tank. He's done the 12 rounds. I thought he was good against that Jimenez guy. I think he's a good fighter. I think Bellotti's good. He's a bit older. A bit younger Garner. I think this could be his little moment. I think he might beat Belotti. You know that.

Yes, fair do's. And very soon, people, you'll be able to have a little flutter on this with the sportsbook on Fairplay, which is coming soon. So get yourselves over to the Fairplay app, get it downloaded. As we say every week, it is a blinding app for you and your mates to use when you're having a little game of golf or something like that. Put the money in and then it will disperse it correctly. You don't have to worry about cash and all that. None of that cash bollocks. This is the best way.

to get a little bit of social betting with your mates and do it all fairly. Big up, fair play. Bosh. Right. Anything else, chaps? Anything else in your mind? No, I think we've fucking done that to death, didn't we, Usyk Dubois? I don't think we could have spoken about anything else other than their shoe size or their fucking... what they're going to have for dinner on Sunday.

the only thing we had left to talk about all I'll say is you won't see a better shot than that shot for most of you I'm joking that was fun for once I ain't involved in the fucking argument that was funny for me Yeah, man. I should have stirred the pot a little bit. Anyway. Right. There we go. Yes. Thank you everyone for listening. Big yourselves up.

By the way, we've got a couple of pub questions, but we're going to do them next week because we've all got to shoot off straight away right now. Kyle, did you have something to say just before we go? Just quickly, I keep forgetting last couple of weeks. Big up to Johnny. He came over to me at a pub.

I was drinking that with a friend of mine in Kings Cross. He come over and introduced himself, shook my hand. He's a big fan of the pod. I said I'd shout him out and I forgot the last couple of weeks. So sorry, Johnny. He was there with his mates. We had a nice conversation about AJ Wilder, Connor Ben Eubank. He knew his stuff as well, so big up, Johnny.

There we are. Big up Johnny. Yeah, I got a fucking big head that night. He's going around, do you know who I fucking am? Oh, fuck off. I didn't fucking say that. I hope you said there's only one fucking Johnny and that's fucking Johnny B. Not Johnny. Pablo you just met or Johnny Fisher. He fucking knew a lot more about boxing than you, mate. That's for sure. We'll talk about that next week. Talk about that next week. Our Johnny Fisher's left Mark Tibbage.

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