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Yes, people, how are we doing? Welcome back to the proper podcast. Hope you're all well. Hope you're feeling good because we've got a decent couple of weeks in the boxing world. Finally, I'm sure your nipples are fully erect after the barnstormer on the weekend, Catrell and Eubank. I'm sure that's got you completely pumped up for the rest of the next couple of weeks with Edgar Balanga versus Hamza Shiraz.

Yes, Shakur Stevenson on that card as well. But the week after, Usyk, dubious. Number two, the undisputed.

Cannot frigging wait. But yes, as I say, Edgar Balanga, Hamza Shiraz this week, a tasty little fight. We're going to dissect that bad boy. And I'm very happy to say that this week we have the full crowd in. We've got Kaya. Back in action. Back from Benidorm. How are you, Kaya? Well, it wasn't exactly Benidorm. That was the last couple of days. I did spend some time doing some normal stuff that didn't involve carnage.

and Benidorm was right at the end. So I should have done Benidorm at the beginning, a couple of nights, and then, you know, brought it down a level towards the end. But yeah, fuck it. Great holiday, boys. Really love Spain. Anyone who don't go there should go there more often. We weren't quite Brits abroad, so I mixed it up with a little bit of Old Town, a little bit of tapas, a nice wine and all that. What's happened to you, mate? Yeah, but then I did the Brits abroad thing.

Down the line, because you've got to do that as well, wouldn't you, while you're there? Of course. Was you running out for the towels and all that? Was I running out for the towels? No, no. Was you running out and sticking your towel down in front of the old Germans and that? No, no, no. It weren't that bad, mate.

It wasn't that bad. Yeah, no, I listened to the podcast that you both did. Good job, boys. I really enjoyed it. I thought there was some really good content in there. But there was a few things you said on there. I didn't agree.

And at one point, I nearly lobbed my phone out the window. Oh, listen to him. He don't turn up for the fucking pod and he's digging it out. Soldier soul, boys. Soldier soul. Let your soul down. Been back for all of 10 seconds and he's bringing the smoke. You let the side down. You let the side down. I'm going to pick you up on it. Go on, Nick. Go on, Nick. Do you want me to go straight into it? Yeah, I'm going to lose now. Get a hang of us waiting. I'm ready for a coating. Come on.

There was a point, I don't know who asked the question, when someone said, what are you looking forward to more, Canelo Crawford or Eubank Ben? And you both sold your souls to the boxing snobbery world. And I was really, really disappointed that you both said Canelo Crawford because there is no way.

In the world, I am looking forward to Canelo Crawford more than Eubank Ben. If you two lost your mind, you melt. But we've already seen Eubank Ben. Do you know what it is? You sold your souls because you knew that if you said Eubank Ben, people were going to come. Canelo Crawford. Canelo Crawford, it's two of the greatest fighters of our generation. We'd love to see them in the ring together. It's going to be great. Bollocks! Eubank Ben, 100%. I'm looking forward to that more than this.

Don't get me wrong, I'm intrigued by the fight, Canelo Crawford, but... I hate to break it to you up. It's going to be a snooze fest, ladies and gentlemen. That is going to be a snooze fest. That's going to be Tom and Jerry. Because it's going to be Tom and Jerry, isn't it? No, I think you'll find that Prince Turkey has said no, Tom and Jerry. It don't matter.

Crawford's taking his dough, whichever way you want to look at it. And do you think Crawford's going to sit in a pocket and trade with Canelo? No, he's going to be running around the ring, pot-shotting. Maybe not to the level of Devin Haney, but...

Canelo's just going to be walking him around the ring, trying to land his shots. Crawford's going to try and land a little bit more, nick rounds. That's how the fight's going to go. Eubank Ben is going to be another bloodbath. Who wins the fight? Canelo Crawford. I've got Crawford just nicking it in a bit of a snooze fest.

In a bit of a snooze fest. John. I think Canelo's slowed down a little bit. But Eubank Ben, how can you both sit there? Boxing snobbery. You've fallen for it. A pair of you are. Disappointed. I thought we were real on here. Raw.

And you let me down, boys. If this was the first Eubank Ben, I would never have said Canelo Crawford. But because I've seen one and I've got a fair idea of what's going to happen in the second one. I'm more excited for Canelo Crawford because I have no idea what's going to happen. Bollocks. Bollocks.

What a load of bollocks. You dare not say Eubank Ben, because you know people are going to come at you in the comments going, oh, well, you know, it's the two greatest fighters of our generation. Mate, I'm buzzing for Eubank Ben, and you fully know that. I disagree with people who say...

we don't need to see it again. I want to see it again. I can't believe it. People that say that. What are they on? It was the greatest fight we've seen in the last 10 years. Johnny P, you didn't want to see it again, did you? Yes, you can pipe up now, John, sitting there all quiet. Do you know what? This keeps cutting out. It keeps cutting out.

I'll cut you out in a minute. You're going to cut me out. I've never said anything. You've come on here giving it the big I am. I can't believe it. I was horrified. I stand by it 100%. I'm the one who says to you all the time, you're the one who are like slick counter punches off the back foot. That's you, the sweet science. I'm the one who likes people just come at it and have a fight. Hence why.

Canelo's probably one of my favourite fighters because he's got the technical ability to go with it, which Conor Benn and Chris Huban Jr. don't have. They are not of that world. They are not of that level. That wasn't the question, though. I'm answering you why I prefer to see that fight. I'm not answering you why. That's what you asked me. And this is my answer. Bollocks. Bollocks, because I'm halfway just shutting you up. Bollocks. Don't want to hear the question. Answer.

With Chris Eubank Jr. and Ben, happy to see the fight again. It's an entertaining fight. Warriors, they're both going to go at it. But I know what's going to happen at the end of that fight, in my opinion. Do you? Yeah. You going to Ben now? At the moment, if you're putting a gun to my head, I'm probably going to go a little bit with Conor Ben to win the fight.

at the moment. Really? That might change. A subject to change because he's full at the weight now. It's his second time he's done 160 or close to 160. Chris Sheubank's a little bit older. Same stipulations with his re-hydration clause. I mean, the rounds were close. Eubank won the fight for sure. The rounds were close. It weren't like he was, you know, hammering him in some of these rounds. It were close rounds. A lot of swing rounds in there. Conor Benn.

like Terence Crawford told him not to do, don't pull out in straight lines. You know, uses a bit more sort of angles when he's coming in and out. Conor Bent's got enough to beat Chris Hewbank. He wobbled him once or twice. If he lands another one on the square of his chin, he knocks him out. Liam Smith knocked him out. So people ruling out Connor Benz, it's a bit silly for me. It's a bit silly. And in terms of a spectacle, the press conference, the build-up, I know Chris...

come out of the car and add Christina, I mean, come out of the car and it added to the fight. But from the build-up to the fight itself, all the stuff post-fight, that is what I'm sold on with boxing. I want an event that lasts two months. canelo crawford the press conference was

I mean, it was all right. It was a couple of little soundbites you can take here and there. Canelo mainly, not Crawford. The fight itself, talking about Ben going up two weight classes, Crawford's going up three weight classes. It's even more of a...

you know, ridiculous situation than Ben Eubank. And as I said to you before, it's going to be Tom and Jerry. People don't want Tom and Jerry boxing. It will be. Crawford's not stupid enough to stand there and bang with Canelo because you'll get iced. So he's just going to try and nick rounds in this fight. Whereas Ben and Eubank is going to, for me, it served up the best fight I've seen in the last 10 years. And I watched it last week again, and it was better the second time.

You start noticing little things that they're trying to do in there. Obviously, it weren't coming off. In terms of technical ability, of course, it's not in the same stratosphere as Canelo Crawford. But I want to be entertained. And so do you two as well. And you both sat there and you couldn't.

You couldn't bear to say Eubank Ben. And I sat there and I was listening to it. I don't remember this massive conversation. You pair of divs. To be fair. Do you know what even sold it for me? What sold it for me? You spoke about Canelo Crawford. for about three minutes. And then when you went on to Eubank Ben, the segment lasted about 10 minutes. And I'm thinking, of course, don't they want to see Eubank Ben? They've got more to talk about. I was going to say, but listen, the...

The question was, which fight are you looking more forward to? And which one is it now? No, no, no. Canelo Crawford. I can't wait to see it because I don't know what's going to happen. But no, as a build-up... Hold on. As a build up, as a spectacle, as a build up, as a spectacle, as an event, as...

As a build-up, obviously, I'm looking forward to Eubank Ben. I can't wait to see what happens press conference-wise in that. But put all that to one side. The two fights on the night, right? Put the two fights on the night. If Canelo Crawford is in one stadium...

and Eubank Ben's in another stadium, I'm watching Canelo Crawford, and then I'm watching Eubank Ben later. I am! I don't know what's going to happen to Eubank Ben, Coyle. I've never known the lack of this type of shit. Do you know what? You've sold your soul, boys, to boxing snobbery. It's boxing snobbery. It's boxing snobbery.

There's boxing snobbery. Both fights. There's asterisks against both fights, right, for certain reasons, where there's argument to say, who needs to see any of the fights? Like, you know, going up weight divisions and all that. But if you just look at both of the fights, and I've... already seen Eubank v. Ben, is it that fucking outrageous that I would happily see Canelo and Crawford first? That's not the question though, is it? The question is, what are you looking forward to watching the most?

What would you think will entertain and answer it, mate? I don't know what you're going on about, to be honest with you. I literally just answered it. Well, listen, you like what you like, innit? If you want to go and watch Tom and Jerry, crack on. I'll go and watch a bloodbath. No, this is the thing, right? Crawford's saying it's not going to be Tom and Jerry turkeys saying that. It's going to be a small... all the rings. So it's going to be a real fight. It's going to be mustard, mate.

Listen, if they do what Turkey's saying he's going to do, shrink the ring in the middle of the fight, which I think is a fucking unbelievable idea, by the way. If he does that, start shrinking the ring. That's fucking brilliant. I don't know, but I fucking hope it ain't. Then maybe Crawford might be forced to fight, but come on. This is, you know. Big geezers can't knock out Canelo. Big light heavyweights can't even put a dent in him. Crawford knows already he won't even slightly buzz him.

throughout the fight. The only way he wins is on points. The only way. And even then, it's going to be hard because Canelo's just going to be stalking him down. I could say that about Conor Benn against Eubank. The only way that Conor Ben... No, you can't. Conor Ben probably ain't going to knock him out, is he? Dubank's got an unbelievable chin. He couldn't do it last time. What do you mean? He wobbled him. He wobbled him for like a second.

A second. And then he was absolutely fine. Then he won that round. And then he won that round. You want him to wobble in for five seconds. Horse shit. All horse shit. If he lands one more on the point of his chin during that attack.

He knocks him out cold. And I believe Conor Ben had a better chance in this fight than I did in the first fight. I thought Chris Hewbank might even stop him. But this time, I've seen what I've seen. Chris Hewbank's older, a bit older. Conor Ben's stayed at the weight. So, you know.

He's going to feel fuller and stronger at the weight. And I think it's going to be a closer fight than the first one. And at the moment, gun to my head, I think it goes to a third fight because I think Conor Ben might nick this one at the moment. People might laugh at that.

Based on what? Based on what I saw in the first fight? What, the first fight that he lost conclusively? Yeah, he lost. He lost conclusively. I'll tell you what, that makes me think he's definitely going to win the next fight then. I gave you the reasons though. I gave you the reasons. Chris Shewbank's a little bit older. He has to do the weight again. More rehydration. Taxing on a man's body. He's an old man. Well, not an old man, but in terms of boxing, he's older now.

And he's there for the money. So it's Conor Benn, undoubtedly. But Conor Benn's a younger man. And I thought he landed some heavy, heavy shots on Chris Shubank, which he took one shot. One, maybe two. It's all it takes, baby. You know that. Well, it didn't take that last time, did it? He hit it with a fucking peach of a left hook. What did it do? He wobbled him. One more shot, though. He followed the back end of the round.

If he follows up with a big white cross. Hey, John, I reckon when he was in Benidorm, Sticky Vicky's thrown a ping pong from a minge and hit his head, innit? Like, he's gone fucking... He's probably wonkyed on this pod, hasn't he? I slipped a ping pong and threw a left hook back. But I was disappointed, boys. I thought we were... I thought we were real and raw on here, but you've sold us. I'll leave off. Sold us. Sold us. Sold us. You want to watch an L.O.V. Crawford over Ben V. Eubank. Two.

Anyway. We'll see on the night. We'll see which delivers a better fight. Let's see. And also, you know what? Chris Senior is going to be on the fucking table this time. How good is that going to be? Well, he weren't on the last fucking table. He didn't even turn up on Saturday night. Perfect segue into Harlem. Yeah. I don't get them. I just do not get that family. I'm sorry. I don't understand them, man. I'll get it. He's been fully on board with Harlem all the way.

Harlem's biggest fight. Harlem essentially needs him there as good support and whatnot. You've got Conor Benn fucking overseeing the hand wraps and that. Chris could have been overseeing the hand wraps for catch-all and just thrown in a little tiny bit of intimidation there. But no, don't even turn up. I don't get it, man. I don't get it. Unless if Harlem, I hold my hands up, if Harlem said, look, I've seen you, I don't want you there, then okay.

But I don't see why he would, you know, have him on board all this time and then all of a sudden say, don't come tonight. Anyway. No, no. Go on. No, you carry on, Johnny. So he didn't go. He didn't attend because he was in Jamaica. So he's only had three fucking months to know that this fight is happening. So you choose to be in Jamaica on the night. You ever heard of a plane? You jump on, but he's got enough money. Jump on a plane, come back. This is your surrogate son.

as you went and told everyone. Do you know what I mean? My surrogate son, trying to get the Ben fight. So he could usurp his real son, Chris Shubank Jr., fighting Ben, because there was a problem there. There was a fallout. Then you're trying to get the Adam Azim fight, standing there in the corner. Remember at the 11th hour?

when he was standing in the middle of the ring trying to get that fight. And when he finally gets the biggest fight of his life, which it was, that's the massive, massive fight for Harlem Eubank. You're not fucking there. What's all that about? I know what that's about, but... And then obviously, where's the cousin? He's their ringside for you.

Yeah, man. Stunk. Absolutely stunk. So did the fight. Let me just get this out. As for Harlem Eubank, I said it, didn't I? I think we were just before that cut. I don't know if I said it in the meshes. I just wanted to go to bed. I was completely and utterly done with watching this. Just fucking counter-punching, fucking herky-jerky, Harlem Eubank, Hank out of, what's his name, man?

Me, myself and Irene. You know, he's coming up the driveway doing all those herky-jerky movements. All of that with nothing fucking on the end of it. Yeah, boring fight. And then when it ends, all the sour grapes from Harley Eubank, oh, the commentary this and that and moaning and whinging. Fuck, what is it with these Eubanks, man?

All they do is fucking whinge and cry about stuff, man. What was he doing? What was he talking about the commentary for? Like, as if that's having an effect when you're in the ring and not throwing any punches. Come on, Harlem, man. Like, man up. You know what I mean? It just had no...

part in it whatsoever. If he'd have won the fight and the commentary had been biased, people would have been caning the commentary and giving his flowers. But they couldn't give him any flowers because he was terrible.

On the night, he was terrible. He won a round. I think he won a round. One round, in my opinion. And the headbutt was his fault and all. The headbutt was his fault. If you look at it, was it... Do you remember the headbutt? Whose fault was it? It was his fault. Yeah, he went in harder than Katchel, at least, yeah. Amateur hour. Amateur hour is what it looked like. And it looked like...

the fucking canvas was on fire. I know there's a herky, herky, herky jerk. I've heard of herky jerkiness, but he looked like he was doing a river dance at one point, just jumping around everywhere, moving, just calm down. He did. He did. He looked like he had fucking... You know when you step on Lego? I've got kids. You know, you step on Lego and you jump up in the air and he was just fucking all over the fucking place. Just relax. It's like you and Benidorm last week, I reckon.

Yeah, on ping pong balls. Oh, mate. Yeah. Sticky Vicky ain't there anymore, by the way. It's her niece, I think. Yeah, it's her daughter. Who's that? I don't know. Sticky Vicky's a... fucking Benidorm, innit? I don't really go around there anymore. It's all a little bit of tongue-in-cheek, but... Anyway, yeah. Anyway. It was... Don't bother watching it, anyone. Don't watch it. It was a horrendous fight, and I think Harlem-Eubank...

kind of contributed to that more than Jack Cattrall. Jack's coming in for a lot of stick here. He really is. And it's not easy to pin down someone who's so erratic in there. And it was almost like, it was like rabbit in the headlights for Harlem Eubank.

It really was because I know Jack's not the most exciting fighter in the world. I think off camera, he gets a bit of a bad rap as well. I think he's better off camera than people give him credit for. He tries to sell the fight to the best of his ability. I know he's not. You're not fucking, you know, big baby Miller, but, um, he's, uh, he's a good fighter. But what, what Turkey said afterwards about it being Jerry and Jerry for, and then Jack's, uh, quote tweeted that and wrote something.

I can't remember what he wrote, but that kind of rules Jack out for now any future fights in Saudi. So he's going to miss out on paydays because Turkey don't want to see that shit. And I kind of blame Harlem with it.

for it as well. And just want to touch on Harlem Eubanks post-fight press conference. What a load of delusion. I've never heard the like of it. I mean, what's a good analogy? I was trying to think of one. Do you know when...

It's like a football analogy. When someone goes down the wing, crosses the ball, it's a free kick. Everyone jumps up, flicks off a defender's head and goes in for an own goal and the striker wheels away celebrating. That's what he did at the end. You can't know you've won that fight.

Strikers, you know, when you don't know they touch the ball, they still go off and celebrate. You think, you know you ain't touched the fucking ball. You barely touched Jack Cattell in this whole fight. He might have landed five shots. None of any note. And he goes, I was beautifully landing my shots. When? Is he not aware that there's cameras there and the whole country's watching it?

You can't lie about these things. Do you know what he reminded me of? He reminded me of one of them football freestylers when he's doing the keepy up. Sorry, but that's a private joke, people, because Johnny used that phrase the other day. He said he looks like a freestyler, like a...

keepy-uppy freestyler. I said, that's a fucking good analogy, John. I'm going to use that one. Stolen it. It looked like a keepy-uppy freestyler that can do all the tricks with a ball, but then when you actually stick them on the football pitch, they can't play football. Great analogy. Yeah. Yeah, I agree as well. It's just like all of that hot coals on the floor jumping up and down and that. It's almost like, you know, like sometimes you get a journeyman that gets in the ring.

They can be in there with an actual really fucking top-level fighter, but they can get to points. If they just move enough, avoid shots this way, left, right, blah, blah, blah, don't really want to engage, you can get to points with a lot of top fighters. It's almost like... I didn't see him really in the pocket committing to anything, taking any risk. It was just like, what was he trying to do? I know...

Catterall slows the rhythm down. He slows the tempo down. So maybe he's like, I'm not going to allow that to happen. I'm going to do this tempo. So you ain't going to be able to do that to me. But if anything, he was slowing down. That's what I thought just before that headbutt. I thought, oh, he's not moving as...

No, Harlem. Because Harlem's the one saying, I was going to take him to the end of the fight and then I was going to get rid of him. That was his game plan. But I thought, no, you were slowing down, bro. I thought he was going to get stronger. I thought it was the other way around.

As he stopped. Yeah. John's frozen. I know what he's... Sorry, no, he's back now. Yeah, I know what you mean, mate. It's... I don't know the best way to describe Harlem Eubank. All fur coat and no knickers. Let's just keep it at that. Yeah. Style over substance. Yeah. It's a shame. And just on senior thing as well, everyone's up in arms while he's not there. He's back with his son, so I partially understand it. And don't forget as well, like...

Chris Senior don't need anyone to be a big name in boxing. He could take charge of any fighter and, you know, grow their career just off the back of his name. So Harlem got more out of that deal between them two than Chris did. I know Chris was at Loggerheads with his son. Nah, what are you going on about? Yeah, he did. Yeah, he did. Do you think Harlem would have landed that shot without a builder? You think that's acceptable? I didn't say it was acceptable. I didn't say it was acceptable.

I just said I partially understand it because he's back with his son. Maybe Chris Senior might have had a problem with it. What are you doing in his corner? Now you're back with me. You don't know what the conversations are like behind the scenes. You don't know. You're in Harlem's corner. right? Trying to get him a fight, you know, helping the promotion and then you drop him out and his biggest fight of his night. Like, what? Are you not a family or not? What? I don't know.

No, I get that. I get what you're saying. I get what you're saying. I think he's bollocks. Maybe Chris Jr. had a problem with it. Who knows? I don't know how close the cousins are. Who knows? They don't look close to me. When I was in the ring announcing the Adamazine fight, it looked pretty close that night. It might be a high and buy relationship. You don't know, innit? High and buy.

But that's not good, is it? That's not a good look for fucking, you know, the perfect fucking Englishman that wanders around like his shit don't smell. I think he's bang out of order. Yeah. Anyway, I mean... It sounds harsh to say, but I'm sure a lot of people feel like this. I really just don't care what both of them do next, really. I really was hoping for more from Catcherall, because I said this in the build-up, that I hope that...

I said that when he gets some aggression in there and when he comes forward, he looks good. But he still didn't really do enough of that. Do you know what I mean? I know he's irky-jerky at Harlem, so maybe it's a bit more difficult. But I didn't see enough in catcher to say, whoa, he's back. You know what I mean?

I think he's going to struggle to get a big fight next. I really do. I don't know what it's going to be. Harlem's going to really struggle. Who wants to fight Harlem? Jesus Christ. That does nothing for anyone's career, fighting Harlem.

Anyway, should we move on to the undercard? Just quickly, that's why he's run with this whole narrative. It's a little bit smoke and mirrors. in my opinion. So then it just creates, you know, maybe you can get another fight. A little bit like Tyson Fury and Usyk. You just, you chat this shit long enough and loud enough, people believe it. Do you know what I mean? It's like the whole Tyson Fury and Usyk, like he was robbed in those two fights. No, he wasn't.

Everyone that watches boxing would say the same thing. Usyk won both those fights, but yeah, anyway. Anyway, let's move on to the undercard. Some notable performances. Pat Brown, big up Pat Brown. Looked very good against, you know, not the best opponent in the world, but yes, looking exceptional. Making some waves. We had Leo Atang. What did you think of Leo Atang's debut?

Brilliant. I mean, he looks the part. He's fighting a bit of a spud, won't he? Let's be honest, a bit of a potato. That's what you expected. That's what you expect on their first fight. uh, on someone's debut, you know, now I'm going to give him anyone any decent sort of decent name or whatever, but I think he looks good. He's got every shot in a book. Definitely goes to the body a lot more than heavyweights do. I've noticed he loves a body shot, which is great.

Yeah, you know, good looking kid. Keeps his feet on the ground. And yeah, he's going to make a lot of money out of this sport. I like the way he was going to the body. I thought... You know, like when these fighters are on the way up and they're fighting fellas that are not on their level, it's nice to see that because you know you can hurt the guy. You know your level's above him. You're just, you know...

getting the experience. So it's nice to see that. Hopefully that was the reason he did it. You know, just working on that part of his game, his body shots and that, rather than going in there, headhunting and knocking the fuck out of these guys that are much lower level than you. But I think he was good in the make the days count.

Catterall and Eubank, I thought he was quite good. Some of the banter that he had with his team and all that. So if they get more of that out into the public domain, I think, yeah, sky's the limit for him. I like the exchange with Joshua. Do you see that on socials? No. Joshua went, you're sizing me up and all that. They were standing next to each other. Yeah. And then Joshua, the way he's explaining his career back to him as advice, I thought Joshua sounded hungry.

It sounded different to something different in his voice, wasn't it, when he was explaining that, you know, work hard and all that. It all goes by quickly. But the way he was talking, it's like he was ready. He's ready to go back in there now and give it one.

One final hurrah, which was nice to hear from Anthony Joshua, because we need Joshua back in the ring, don't we? Big time. It's been so long. We need that big Anthony Joshua night, big Tyson Fury night as well, dare I say it. I know everyone's like, oh, he's coming back out of retirement again. But deep down, I think we're all...

We all want him back, don't we? Let's be honest. Fucking right we do. Fucking need him for my views. Stay retired. So, yeah. Yeah, I like that little exchange with him and Leo Tang, like the passing of the guard. Yep. We'll move on to more pressing matters. But a return for Joe Cordino. That was a good fight against Gonzalez.

He's quite tasty, that Gonzalez. I really enjoyed watching him fight. So bring him back, please, Edward. But yeah, a good little return for... joe cordina i know you boys had a knockout for gonzalez there for two grand wasn't it a two grand accumulator didn't you Yeah, just went for the odds. 20 to 1. Dangerous Mexican. He took that shot well, though. Joe did. He did, yeah. Took it right on the chin as well. I thought he looked good for ring rust for a year out or whatever. Is it a year?

It's quite a while, wasn't it? And a bit of ring rust in that. I thought we looked good. So, yeah, a bit more fresh at that weight as well. So, wicked stuff. Aqib Fiaz. Aqib Fiaz, Alex Murphy. Well done, Aki Piaz. That was a good fight. William Crawler. I mean, the writing was on the wall from around round one or even from the first round. Second round started. I'm thinking he needs to stop going forward and back in straight lines. He's just walking on to big shots.

And I think he was just getting frustrated. The more he got frustrated, his defence just evaporated in front of him. And he was just trying to land his shots too much without setting them up. Just not thinking about what he was doing in there. Just frustration, inexperience.

And, yeah, it was a really, really good, entertaining fight. Can he come again? Of course he can. He's young. You know, he's not going to fight like that again next time. But, yeah, it wasn't great by William Crawler. That guy, Wilkinson, he had a great jab. He had a really great jab and he just had the bit between his teeth as well. I think it was like in the second round.

There was a little look. You know, sometimes you see that look. He gave Kroller that little look and he sort of laughed as in, yeah, I've got your fucking number tonight. I thought, yeah, this is it, mate. The writing's on the wall. It was from the first round. I could see it. I could see it, but... Yeah, I don't know, man. It's just hopefully...

I think this guy was saying he don't, Fraser Wilkinson, he doesn't sell that many tickets, hasn't really been given a chance. And sometimes you get that with a lot of these fighters because they're not big ticket sellers. They don't get the chance, but he's got the chance now. So let's see. Let's get the guy back.

Get him a bigger fight or another fight. Maybe they might be able to... There's no way they could... There's no way I don't know if they could get a rematch, is there, Kroler? Not a chance. Nah. Conclusions of the name, isn't it? You think, ah, they might get. But yeah, give him a bigger fight now. Help him earn more money, that Wilkinson. Yes, right. Okay, let's leave that card and let's move on to the future. And talking of the future...

Johnny B, I know you are thoroughly, thoroughly excited about the Matchroom rebrand. I am, actually. I really liked it, yeah. Are you taking a piss? I don't know what I've said in our group. I actually really like it. I really, really like what he's done. Hold on a minute.

I'm not joking. I do. I like it. 200 grand is a bit of a stretch for a logo. But the more I look at it and the more I see what they're doing, I'm actually a big fan of it. I think it's all good what they're doing. I can't believe this. I need to play that WhatsApp message you sent the other day. Did I say it was shit? What did I say? You were caning it. What did I say? Caning it.

Tell me what I said. You said this is all smoke and mirrors for looking better and whatnot. Wait, wait, wait. You're not getting to the substance of it. You're not putting on good fights. Let me tell you what. This is just a load of fucking smoke and mirrors. Get it off your chest. No, when he first said, when he stuck at the...

the image, uh, saying the rebrands coming or coming up or whatever, like, wait, like he does these big announcements, fucking five days to go, Pat Brown. But when, when he said that, I thought, I smoke and mirrors in it. It's going to be a massive, big event. all the boxers down there, going to do a rebrand. Got not much else, especially in the UK.

To brag about, really, like Joshua ain't fighting. I know you've got the Ben Eubank fight coming up, but where's all these other big domestic fights? He's not doing them no more, is he? So that was what I said. But once I actually watched the press conference and the weigh-in and the fight night... I like what they're doing. I think it's good. The little talk with Sonny Edwards and Parsons in the bar with Jamie interviewing fighters, like the new fighters and their dads and stuff like that.

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Barker doing the sit-down, like, different sections to it. I thought he was really good. So, yeah. He's flip-flopped. He's flip-flopped on the matchroom rebound. Yeah, yeah. Fair enough. Kai, are you all on board with it? What are you saying? Do you care?

I think it's, you know, what a battery, isn't it? It's just whatever. It's a rebrand. I don't have to have to go do loads of videos and social media content. You just rebrand it. I don't think you announce it to the world like that. Do that funny skit that they did. uh eddie and frank i thought it was quite funny but um i don't know if it was all necessary because we were all seeing the new logo but it's a new logo and then it's matchroom boxing in a different font at the bottom so

I'm just a little bit confused. Are they just going to go with the logo? Are they going to go with the text? I don't know. Whatever. It is what it is, isn't it? Fucking hell. Move on, innit? Everyone's excited. Okay, cool. Yeah, ultimately, going forward for the rebound, we need some decent 50-50 fights on throughout the card and just, you know, yeah, get some...

fucking big names pumping through and stuff like that. Hopefully there's Leo Tang and that he comes through and starts a little bit of an Anthony Joshua phase throughout boxing again because big names are lacking. You know what I mean? We can't have catch all Eubank every weekend. Otherwise, it's going to turn off people for good.

Yeah. I mean, but on paper, that was good. The card delivered and the Galalia fire card. So the last two matrim cards have absolutely delivered domestic cards for me. And they've all been decent fights right through the card. And also we forgot to mention Sky Nicholson. Big up Sky Nicholson for a victory.

actually stepped into a shot with her backhand and stopped the girl as well. So hopefully that's a run of knockouts coming for her. I don't know. We'll see. But I thought, yeah, I think both cards delivered. I've enjoyed them both. I haven't really got any complaints. Sorry, B, anything else? Yeah, Pat Brown, he was good as well. Yeah, it's just hardcore, isn't they? They're hardcore cards, really. So the sooner he brings through...

these big names and they've got big profiles, they bring the casuals in, the better. Do you know what I mean? And I think that's the problem with most of the matchroom cards, other than a couple of big hitters that he has in the UK, which is AJ and Connor Benn. And AJ... he's not always fighting in the uk you know goes over to riad or whatever where are the other fighters where are the other big hitters that put bums on seats and uh

He's building though, John. He's building. He's got Pat Brown. He's signed Leo Tang. He's got that tier 18. Well, exactly. Rebranding, they all grow together. But tier eight and looks a million dollars as well. Knockout power. They stuck her on the comms, I think, a little bit too soon. I felt sorry for her at one point. I was like, she is a rabbit in her head. What do they call that section? The score cards. Score zone. Score zone, yeah.

Yeah, I felt sorry for her. She looks a million dollars, though. I've got to repeat my joke. People watching Catterall v U-Bubble, imagine if they went to the score zone and all that fucking matchsticks in there, right? Matchsticks. But one of them was a kip on the fucking back or something like that. That would have been funny, wouldn't it?

Oh, dear. Yeah, but, yeah. I think Matrim are rebuilding again, and I think in another couple of years, they've got the White Rhino as well. God knows what's going to happen to him next. See him training with Johnny Fisher today. I thought that was quite... We've all got the impression over the last couple of years that Eddie has taken his eye off the ball and he's not as fussed about the UK nowadays and all that. At one point, it felt like he was checking out.

With this rebound, that tells us he's still fully invested and he's starting to make another push for, you know, taking over boxing as such. So, yeah, it looks good. All right. So we'll leave that there. Right. Tyson Fury popped up last week. He'd done a couple of interviews. He stirred some pots once again, as he does. Quotes of the week. I won't lie. I pissed myself when he said that. Jake, Paul and AJ as a 50-50 fighter. I fucking wet myself off. I thought that was so funny.

I know he's on a wind-up. People were taking it seriously. They're making videos on it going, I can't believe he said this. I'm like, oh, come on. That's a fucking funny one for Fury. But, yeah, he wants the Usyk trilogy. He don't want anything else. After that... Day that he was doing the interviews at the Jazza Dickens fight, he puts out a post, April next year, the trilogy's on. Message Spencer Brown for tickets. It's happening.

Yes, he hasn't beat Dubois, but it's happening. Right, so thoughts on it. Johnny B? Tyson Fury, just the master, isn't it? I suppose you need him in the sport for all of this stuff, but... It's just another one. He just, do you know what? You know, there's some, do you ever, you hear the saying, you know, when they go, oh, you know, that guy just brings the worst out in me. And that is Tyson Fury for me. Like sometimes it will say so. And I'm like.

It's fucking just bullshit. It's just a fucking con artist. You keep sounding like that long enough, people just fucking believe it because he's got a hold of the mic. And you know, you can't definitely... Why do I fucking care? Like, why is this actually bothering my internal nervous system? But, like, I can't get my head right. The Trisunvuri v Usyk, fuck me. Like, it...

Usyk won both fights. So how the fuck do you go away and get to come back and fight Usyk? Get in line. You don't have a belt. And we can go through the career. We can look at wild art in the cold light of day now and we can all go, well, look.

Well, it was a bit of shit, really, when you think about it. He wasn't that guy. He had a padded record, went in there and had this massive trilogy with him that no one really wanted. He was happy for the first fight, second fight. No one wanted the third fight, but...

argument to be had. It was a way of getting out of maybe having the Anthony Joshua fight. But you're going to come back now and you're going to do the third Usyk fight. I don't want to see it. I really don't want to see it. I know the end to that story as well. Give me the Anthony Joshua fight. And then the winner out of that fight, there's a possibility I'd happily see the winner of that fight go and fight Usyk. But then what about Joseph Parker, your mate?

Isn't Joseph Parker deserving of a shot at Usyk? He's really the only one there with a resume that's pretty stacked. of late, good wins, he should be getting the Usyk shot. And he's in line, isn't he, with the WBO. Then you've got Ajit Kabayel floating around there. He's one big win away from getting a shot at Usyk. So why does Fury get to come back? Just because he says he was robbed.

Bullshit. You weren't robbed. You lost fair and square. And do you know what's annoying? We obviously love Turkey because he's been amazing for boxing, but... I'm like, Turkey, don't get on board with this. No, he's putting out posts like, yes, the trilogy's next year. I'm like, Turkey, don't do that. No, it's not fair. On Parker Caballel, Fury don't deserve it. We all want AJ, him talking about Usi.

is a deflection from fighting AJ. Can we all agree now? I told you, he does not want to fight AJ. He will never fight AJ. You will never see that fight, ever. Or is there a possibility that he's doing this? Really, this is all negotiations.

All this Usyk bullshit. So he's over there focusing on Usyk. So then Anthony Joshua and Eddie Earn are just going to bend over and give him what he wants in the deal that they're negotiating. Because they think, look, all he wants to do is fight Usyk. So just concede, just concede.

could mean a lot of millions. And we know Tristan Fury is all about the money, even though he gives all his money to the homeless and he says he'll fight for free. He's all about the money. So maybe it's just a negotiation tactic and really he's somehow... negotiating this with Anthony Joshua. I mean, I was trying to think of scenarios where someone's lost the first two fights and still gets a trilogy. There isn't many, is there? Amanda Serrano is the first one that comes to mind.

Chisora. Amanda Serrano lost to Katie Taylor twice. I suppose Wilder lost the first two fights. I know the first one was a draw, got the third. There isn't too many instances where you would even want to see that fight.

Do you know what I mean? I don't, nobody wants to see that fight. It's never going to happen. Usyk's going to beat Dubois and he's going to retire. That's what's going to happen. Yeah, it would be nice because, look, I love Usyk. I love Usyk, but he has got nothing else to prove. He's beaten the top three other than Parker. He's beaten all the best heavyweights, not once, beaten them twice convincingly and just retire.

You know, go and live in a fucking land of luxury for the rest of your life. And then let Usyk, no, let Fury and Joshua, because apparently Fury, if he comes back, he goes straight to number one spot. The WBC, I read that today. Of course he does. Straight in at number one. I can believe it. Mad, isn't it? Mad. Retire and then go straight. I can't stand these governing bodies, sanctioning bodies. They're the worst.

They're the ones that ruin the sport, really. Let's not even talk about Jake Paul being 14th in the fucking Cruiserweight rankings at WBA. That's another thing you didn't mention. Apparently, there's been campaigns, you know, they're going to remove him. Timmy fans up in arms about it. How can that ever be? He couldn't beat Tommy Fury. Exactly. He fucking can't beat Tommy Fury. And he's one of the best cruiserweights.

And, you know, dare I say it, Julio Cesar Chavez, now we're talking about it, getting through a punch for a few rounds. Well, well, Kyle, I've got to stop you there. Because, you know, there's some law. There's some law cases thrown about at a minute. So you don't want any defamation of character. You know what I mean? All I'm saying is Julio Cesar Chavez looked. extraordinarily tired for the first few rounds and maybe he was saving his gas tank.

For the last two rounds, let's just leave it at that. Well, I'd like to say that as proper podcast members, Kai's views don't reflect the whole podcast. This is a very important podcast to people, Kyle. We don't want to be sued and lose it. You know what I mean? I'm not accusing anyone of anything. That's your first strike, mate. You've got two strikes left, all right? I didn't say anything. All I'm saying is Julio...

Cesar Chavez refused to throw a punch for six rounds. And when he did, he was landed on him. He was landed on him. Anyway, regardless of all that Tyson Fury being reinstated at number one.

They'll somehow manufacture it, these sanctioning bodies, to get their 3%, 5%, whatever they're going to get. So Joshua and Fury fight. And I think that's the only way that happens. So the whole world should pray for an Usyk victory. I know we're all British. Hold on. Are you saying Fury and... AJ AJ AJ is going to happen if Usyk wins I think it happens that's what I was going to ask you do you believe that fight happens you said it was never going to happen

I think the stars have aligned, so it does, because I think Usyk will retire if he beats Dubois. I honestly believe that. Where else are you going to fight Parker? Is there any money in that for him? Not really. He's already won undisputed twice. What else is there to do in the game? Nothing. If you're Usyk as well, and you say, look, I'm going to retire, and then you...

push, you know, you make AJ and Fury have to fight each other because no one else to fight. Isn't that a better move? Because then you get to fight the winner. And if AJ does win, he's going to prefer to fight AJ than Fury. Don't you think? So rather than just go into a Fury fight that no one really wants, don't you think if you're Usyk, if I was Usyk, or if you was Usyk, you two, who would you rather fight, AJ or Fury?

Don't matter, mate. I batted a pair of them twice. You have to choose. You're going to choose a fight. Who do you want to choose? All right. I choose the one with the most money. And that's up for debate as well, isn't it? Who brings the most money? Both of them bring a lot of money to the table. I don't know. I think they both bring a lot of money to the table. How about if it's the same amount of money?

You're going to say whoever wears fucking red shorts in it, he's going to say. Fucking hell. You're going to jump out his fucking window in a minute and he's just not to answer the fucking question. I didn't answer the question. The one who has the fucking red shorts. Fuck off, Kai. I've got news for you, Kai. Never happens, bruv. Ever. You'll never see that fight. Sorry. If Usyk wins, we see it.

Why? If Usyk wins... Because the belts will all be gone. There'll be no reason for Fury to come out and fight. Usyk, because he's retired. There'll be loads of money on the table. Turkey will sit him down and go, look, there's your 100 million. There's your 100 million. Riyadh season. Wembley, let's do it. It'll be enormous. Why wouldn't he do it? He likes a pan note, doesn't he?

Sure, AJ likes a pound note. I'll give you a reason why he won't do it. Right, you say the pound note thing there. Sorry, John, just quickly. You say about the pound note thing there. In January this year, they could have made the fight. for hundreds and hundreds of millions of pounds. So how much does he like a pound though? Because... No, I agree. No, no, no. I agree that he likes a pan note, right? But he had the prospect of an AJ fight for all this money there, but he bottled it.

So does that not tell you that he's scared of fighting AJ because you're saying he loves money. Right, there's loads of money there for you, but you don't want to fight him. He was retired. No, no, no. He was retired, Sonny. He fucking was. Do you think, and Sonny did say this before, he retired. Just saying that the man was there for that same amount of money to have the quadruple fight, a quadruple against fucking Chisora.

He wouldn't have been retired, would he? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, look, fuck knows. I think he don't want to fight AJ because if he loses to AJ... His resume is not looking good, bruv, if he loses to AJ. At the moment... And he'll never be forgotten that. Nah. Yeah. But do you think he could live with not fighting him? Yes.

Yes. 100%. Do you reckon he could retire and live with just not fighting him? He's a bodybuilder that's going to have a 50-50 with Jake Paul. That's how he lives with it. He just coats him off, basically, from now until he's an old man. At the end of the day, mate... It's exactly the same as John Jones not fighting Tom Aspinall. It's exactly the same. Exactly. John Jones has got a legacy there that is fully intact. But if he fights Tom Aspinall and loses...

All he's ever remembered for is losing to Tom Aspinall. Slight difference though. Very slight difference. That is a changing of the guard because the age thing between Aspinall and John Jones, whereas Tyson Fury and AJ, they're roughly the same age. This is them two, whether they fought in their peak or...

this is a gauge of who that guy is. Whoever wins that fight, you can't say, oh yeah, but in my peak I would have beat you because you've both aged together. So for me, it's similar, but it's not the same because it's not the changing of the guard. He's done you there. He's done you there, boy. He has, but it's the same premise. Either way, John Jones ain't fighting fucking Tom Aspinall and neither is Fury fighting Joshua. Oh, dear. Oh, dear.

Never happened. It breaks my heart. It breaks my heart. Other than all this Canelo Crawford, Eubank fucking Ben shit, I have missed you, Perrier. By the way, you said there was other things on that pod that you... picked up on or was it just that? I can't remember them now. I can't remember them now. I did write them down somewhere. Yeah, there is a couple of others. Fuck off. Sitting there taking notes about the podcast. Taking notes, mate. All right. Okay. Do you want to do Kaya's...

news time before we get into this weekend. Oh, no, we better get into this weekend, aren't we? Because there's quite a lot of talk about it. Get into the weekend because I've only got a couple of things. Belanga and Shiraz this weekend in New York, baby. Right.

So, yes, let's talk about that one first. I'm going first, fuckers. I think... About time and all. I think that it would be a very close fight. I think... Standard-wise, I think they're very on par with each other. However, I just think Balanga going off to that Canelo fight, he's so content with going the 12 rounds.

with Canelo there. He's almost come out of it just full of confidence. Even though he lost conclusively, he's come out of it full of confidence. He's bowled into this fight full of confidence, giving it the old gun fucking signs to Hamza Shiraz's head in the presser and everything. And he's got a decent resume of a lot of knockouts on there. He shows a lot of aggression in his fights. I know he got to a certain level throughout his career. He got to a level and then he started to go...

unanimous decisions and whatnot. But still, he shows a lot of aggression. I think he's a tough fighter. He's gone to the pinnacle there with Canelo, and I think that's very good. for him. And he's obviously come out of it with a load of confidence. And going into this fight against Hamza Shiraz, who's coming off that very lacklustre Adames, essentially, loss, by the way. And everyone says it was a loss. He even...

alludes to people knowing that he lost that fight. I don't think that's a great omen going into this. I think there's a lot of pressure on him. And I just think that when he's on the back foot, Shiraz, he struggles. It happened against Adames. And when someone's got a bit of, you know, some serious ability, someone he can't bully, I feel like...

He can struggle a little bit. He can struggle a little bit. Is he going to go Belanga? So I'm going Belanga. You're going to go Belanga, isn't he? I'm going Belanga, yeah, yeah. 100%. I'm going Belanga on a... on a decision win because I think the aggression, I think he's going to put him on the back foot and I don't think Ams is going to be able to get out of it.

And also, the main premise here is that Balanga is the natural 1-6-8. Hamza's coming up and I don't know if his power is going to carry up there as destructive as it has been. But Belanga's got some solid power. This is what I love. We're back, boys. We're back. Real talk. Raw talk. Don't give a fuck whether you pick the other fighter. Love it. Boxing snobbery was binned off. Love Hamza Shirez. Hope he wins, but I'm favouring Belanga. It's in America as well. And it's in America. Right.

I think Hamza has to be very, very careful early on. I know Belanga got those knockouts against tomato cans for his first whatever, however many fights, the first round knockouts in it. Then he started fighting decent fighters and he got wobbled a couple of times. Who was it?

Caceres. Was it Caceres? Dropped him. Wobbled him. Yeah, dropped him. That's right. Yeah. And he started like, you start seeing the holes in his game. Paddy McCrory, was it? He fought him. That was a decent performance, but he's wide open, Belanga.

Wide open for those straight shots down the middle. And I think that's why they've taken this fight. I think they looked at it. He's a big name, big enough name, because he's fought Canelo. But he does have a lot of gaps in there. And I think Hamza's got a really tight...

brilliant guard when he's up mid range and he doesn't give too much away. Adamus is more of a slick stub. Belanga is a bit more of a brute come forward pressure fighter. And I think it's going to play into Hamza's hands. As long as Hamza's clever. First four or five rounds. Don't give too much away. Prepare to give up the rounds. I think he can start landing straight down the pipe. But I take your point, Sonny. You don't know how.

His power, is he going to translate up in this weight? We don't know. It's his first time. So I think it's a risky, risky fight to take. but a commendable one because he's going to have to get his balls on the table and Belanga's not going to go anywhere without a fight. I mean, this guy's got a lot of dog in him and it's a real intriguing fight. I'm edging towards Hamza on points.

Because I think technically he's better than Belanga. But it really is a 50-50 for me, this fight. And if he beats Belanga, he's there. He's fucking there. He's well in the mix. Top 10, top 8 maybe. Maybe even higher than that. So I'm well intrigued about this fight. Well intrigued. Yeah, so in terms of Belanga, so I mean, who's his best win? I know like...

Yeah, because everyone's going on about the Canelo fight, but he more or less loses every round in a Canelo fight. He wins a couple of rounds. But yeah, I don't know. He had that big knockout ratio, didn't he, at the start, knocking everyone out. Then you look at it, he's had those sort of mid-level fights at Quigley, McCrory. But he ain't really got that fight that you can hang your hat on and go, right, fucking hell, he beat this guy.

look at Hamza Shiraz and it's a little bit similar like he beat Liam Williams but like sort of coming to the end of his career Liam Williams Tyler Denny. Ammo was lying. Yeah, I was going to get to that. And then Ammo Williams. I think that's the one really you sort of say, right, that was the decent victory. But in that fight...

He gets lit up a bit in that fight. So that was a fight. I remember he was all saying after, whoo, he ticked that box. He's got a chin. He can hold a shot. So I remember Ammo hit him a few times. So he is going to get caught. And I think if you're Belanga. and you step to Hamza, and you try and get into the pocket where Hamza's got those big long arms.

and you get off your shots, you're going to connect. I think he's got that great guard at distance, keeping it long. But if Belanga can break that distance, and he can push him back, and I think that's the tactics he should use, and he gets on top of him. It could be a fucking long night for Hamza. But I don't know what I'm hanging my hat on with Belanga. I really don't. And that ammo... That was a big victory for me, albeit it was a weight below. I think if Hamza can keep it long...

And I think you'll have learned a lot from that damage fight because he lost the fight, but it weren't like robbery, robbery, was it? Like it was, I think it was closer than people think that fight. Hand was broken as well. Yeah, yeah. His hand after looked like a fucking balloon. Yeah. He's fighting with one hand against a fighter of that quality with one hand and he still went the distance. Commendable. Yeah, and he was tricky in there, that Adam. He's like, he was good defensively.

on attack and he was quite, he had sort of the dark arts and that. I felt, I don't know whether that was, I don't know, people, I didn't really know much about that damage. I've seen him a couple of times, but I think he's a lot better than what people thought. But I think this would be a different fight. I think Belanga is going to come at him. So, yeah, whether he can just keep him off with that jab and keep the fight long, I think he could win the fight on points.

But I think this is, you know, also, you know, heavy, the head that wears the crown, this whole ambassador for... Riyad and Turkey, how they'll shake, like Uncle Turkey and all that. Maybe it's been a lot on his shoulders to deal with it. He's come from Bradley Skeet, all of a sudden, boom, boom, boom, these fights. And now he's like, everyone's tipping him to be a world champion.

because that weight division is not that good. But yeah, I think it's a brilliant fight, perfect for the pair of them. And I think Hamza, yeah, maybe, yeah, on points, I think. Really? Yeah, there we go.

Yeah, I know a lot of people pick Belanga. I'm in a bit of a minority there. But anyway, yeah, interesting. I can see your argument. I can see why you would pick Belanga. I mean, the 1-6-8 could have a lot to do with this, you know. He was a natural 1-5-4 at one point, Hamza. Andy Lee team up as well. Andy Lee is a great addition. Yeah.

Okay. All right. Puelo and Matias. That's a decent fight, isn't it? Yeah, I think Puelo boxes the ear holes off of him. Yeah, I do as well. I've seen enough now from Matias to know what level he's at when he comes against. real high-level boxers and that's what Puelo is. So I think Puelo wins that on points. But if he sparks him, he's back in the game, isn't he? Big up, Macias, man. Talk about Tom and Jerry. That man is total Tom.

Tom, mate. Tom with a big cock. Don't, mate. Yeah, he certainly is. Yeah, I think you're right, though. Seeing that Paro performance, anyone who's got a bit about them can outskill him. And then a really interesting one, well... Maybe not, to be honest. Shakur Stevenson versus Zepeda. I mean, is anyone going to Zepeda? Zepeda don't win a round. Zepeda don't win a round. It's 12-0 already. I can just tell you the outcome. Do you know what? I'll just say...

That Cepeda is the same height as Shakur Stevenson. They've got a similar reach and he's good at the weight. And I think he throws his hands. He's going to take the centre of the ring. And I think it's going to be interesting. As long as I ain't seeing Shaco Stevenson fight someone that's smaller than them with a shorter reach, that's maybe smaller also in size. I think that's a pain. He's a good fighter. He's definitely like top.

five in the division. He's got good hands. He throws a lot of power punches. Let's see, because... When you're starting off with something new, it seems like your to-do list keeps growing. Finding the right tool helps, and that tool is Shopify. Shopify is the commerce platform behind millions of businesses around the world and 10% of US e-commerce. And best yet,

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do the counter punching, do the, you know, slip shots, come back with something, but he's got to do it from the centre. Because if there's too much running backwards... That ain't going to look good because he's going to get a load of stick and then he might get the tweet from Turkey Alashay. So he's going to have to do that from the centre of the ring. And I think Zepeda...

will make that slightly difficult for him at the centre of the ring because he's going to come forward and he's slick himself. He's going to throw a lot of shots with power. What about, though, John, does this change your... pick at all because the ring is going to start at 20 foot and it's going to go down to three foot. Three foot by three foot. Yeah. Imagine if that happens though. Wouldn't it be mental? Absolutely mental. Hold on, people. We're going to...

I mean, they'd have to have, like, I know they'd have to have... How the fuck would they do it? I'm trying to work out the logistics. Well, you just have some metal, you know... contraption underneath the canvas and the canvas just keeps getting, well, just overlaps. The metal thing shrinks and the canvas around it on the edges just goes down a bit further. So you could do it. But you need...

But then what about the ropes? That's what I mean, the ropes. The whole thing is mental. It's not going to work. It's madness. That's not going to happen. It's a load of horseshit. You need things to pin in the actual corner. uh padding wouldn't you i don't know anyway yeah imagine if they did that though around 12 it was like four foot by four foot oh mate you've seen those uh

Polish guys that fight in the phone boxes. Have you seen that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I tell you what, any promoters out there or any budding promoters out there, you've just been given a fucking incredible idea for another sport, haven't you? You know what I mean? You've got foam box boxing. You've got chess boxing these days. You know that? They play chess. They play chess. I swear to God, right? They play chess. And after they do a move, they get up and do a round of boxing.

I swear. I swear, right? And you know who does it? You know the geezer who allegedly shot Frank Warren? He's like world champion. Is it? Yeah. Fucking hell. But yeah, there's any promoters out there, start a sport where you start the ring at one size and it goes down to three foot by three foot and it just fucking caning each other. You're seeing football boxing.

Yeah, I've seen that, yeah. I've seen that the other day. So they're playing football, they've all got headguards and gloves on, and they're not even touching the ball, they're just kicking fuck out of each other. Yeah, yeah. I'll be on the wing, mate. Just whip it over to me. one touch. Well, you go hanging. That's a fucking shock, isn't it? Yeah. What I've seen actually is the golf, you know, the speed golf. You've seen that. It's like, that's a proper competition where you sort of tee off.

As soon as you tee off, you just run after it and then wherever the ball is, hit it again. Basically, you've got to finish the 18 holes and you've got to time on it and obviously you've got to score. If you don't finish it in six holes, someone batters you at the end. No, there's no fighting in that one. It's just you've got to finish it. By the way, David Morel's on that card as well. I didn't even realise that. Yeah, he's fighting someone fucking decent as well.

Yeah, that's supposed to be a war, that. Just keep an eye on it. It's a good card. It's another really, really good card. Room for a treat the next couple of weeks. Yeah, big time. Real treat. And then it goes on into August. You know, we've got the Moses of Tauma, Dillian White card.

What's great as well, it's the zone, isn't it? So if you don't want to stay up for it, you just wake up in the morning, boom, on your app. Do you know what I mean? All the top-ranking PBC, you can't find it the next morning, so blinding.

What's happened to John today? Has someone taken you and just replaced you? Why, what have I said? Because the other week you're slagging... Right, hold on. I need to get to the bottom of this. The other week you're slagging off the zone.

and now you're bigging it up. What did I say? The other week you were slagging off matchroom rebrand, and now you're bigging it up. I'm just because we've already established that. The other day you were slagging off the matchroom card that we've just had on the weekend, and then you're bigging it up today. I'm lost, bruv.

I'm going to find all these WhatsApps, man. I'm going to kill you up like a kipper. Because I'm saying it's a good idea that in the fucking morning I can watch the boxing is on the zone. What I pay for, that's outrageous comment to say. What are you going on about? He switched from this card being too stacked to now they're not stacked enough.

They're not 50-50 fights. Actually, they are 50-50 fights. You two are chatting shit. You're more confused than Scooby-Doo, son. You two are chatting shit. Anyway, yes, I totally agree, Johnny Boy. And do you know what else is good other than DAZN? Fair play.

Fair play is the fucking bollocks. And we ain't just saying that because we're sponsored by them. They are blinding. For anyone who wants to have a little cheeky bet with your mates, get it sorted through fair play. Put the money in. Bosh whoever's winning.

gets it dispersed to their bank account straight away. You don't need cash. You don't need to fuck about or fluff about with all that cash bollocks. No, fair play's got you sorted. And we've got some blinding sweepstakes coming up, especially next week for Usyk Dubious 2, Johnny B. Do you know what's great about fair play as well, right? Is because sometimes...

even if you don't get to make the bet, you get to call people out for their bullshit. So before the Eubank, the Harlem Eubank v. Catterall, I'll fucking cry. I was like, oh, I fancy Harlem Eubank, you know, I fancy. I'm like, wait, I said, let's fuck. I can do it on fair play then, bruv. Did he want to do it? No. So that's another great thing about fair play. You can sort out. I was knee deep in Pat Paella and Sangria, mate. I thought he was going to say Pooh Nani then.

You wish. Right, anyway. Yeah, we'll have some sweet steaks next week for Usyk Dubois. Right. Every time I bring up these two names, you two have an argument.

This is the final time. I know he's coming. I'm not going to debate. We are ever in our lives going to dissect a Taylor Serrano fight. Exactly. So don't hold back, boys. Predictions. Johnny B. Katie Taylor wins the fight. But what I will say is that they'll probably want to do another fight and another fight until she's fucking 62 so they can finally beat her. Look, it's a brilliant fight.

The best two female boxers to do it, in my opinion. I include Clarissa Shields in that as well. And yeah, both fights have been amazing. I think Katie Taylor won both fights. I know... Some people think that it went the other way, but that's how the judges see it, especially like the last fight. Bloody hell, it was a Jake Paul card and the judges still give it to Katie Taylor. Everyone there was against her, but it was a bit unfortunate from the headbutts.

You know, we see it last night, didn't we, with Harlem and Catterall last weekend with the headbutts. It happens in boxing. But you're contradicting yourself because you said Harlem was amateur by saying that. Yeah, you said Harlem was... That was Harlem. Yeah, yeah. And who's the one coming in?

Serrano. Serrano, just doing one dimensional that whole time, coming in. For fuck's sake, John. Same shots. You got Katie Taylor. You are related to Katie Taylor. You must be related. So in that fight, let me just say this in a photo.

So in that fight, Katie Taylor, she's level changing. She finds shots to the body. She's upstairs. She's downstairs. She's doing different angles. She's going left. She's going right, back foot. Amanda Swann had done the same thing the whole fight, just come forward, mostly throwing straight punches, then with a hook.

All same level, same fight coming in. She's come rushing in. What's her disrespect? That's what happened. Utterly disrespecting one of the greatest women fighters of all time there. But it's all right. I won't do the same for Katie Taylor because I respect Katie Taylor. I think she's incredible. But she lost the second fight. Absolutely. She might have even lost the first fight, even though I scored it a draw.

But she definitely lost the second fight. It's not even up for debate. And I can't wait to see it again. It's one of those trilogies where you're right. Maybe I think if Katie wins again, you might even do a fourth one. She's 39. Katie Taylor's 39. It's like they'll just keep doing it. How old is Serrano, by the way? Let me just check Serrano's age. Amanda Serrano age. A bit younger, isn't she? 36. Not much in it, is there?

couple of summers, couple of winters, big three years from 36 to 39. That's, you know, it's a big difference. Yeah, man. It's like a 36 year old can sort of hang on to the, you know, the 33s and 32s. You're 39. You've gone past it, yeah.

Well, don't say that about Katie. If she heard you say that now, she might not like you anymore. It's true, mate. You think you're going to be the same fighter as a 39-year-old to a 30-year-old? Some people evolved like a fine wine, didn't they? You just don't know, son.

But no, I'm excited about the fight. The undercard shit, I was getting confused with Jake Paul. Chavez Jr. undercard, which was decent. This undercard is just not great. Ellie Scottney's on it. Shanika Johnson's on it. And that's it. There's not much going on. I suppose all the money's gone to the main event. Who's going to win? I think Serrano wins this fight and makes it 2-1. It's almost like...

She has to win. I think like with the judges and that, when it comes to it, if there's any fucking fight, any round, there's sort of even, it's going to give it to Serrano because of the shit. 100%. 100% that's how they're going to do it. You can't say that already. It's Jake Paul. Is her name even first on the fucking poster? It's the whole Jake Paul event, the whole headbutting, the pressure on the media, pressure on the judges. Oh, Katie Taylor was gifted.

the second fight. So I swear to God, it will get into the judges. And if there's an half-even man, I'll fucking give it to Serrano. I can fucking see it now. I'll go Serrano. But I've picked Serrano every time. But yeah, anyway. I'm not fussed about this fight. I just don't care. I've got to be honest. I've seen it twice. You mad? No, I don't care. I just don't care. Fucking mad. Two of the best fights you'll ever see. Yeah, but... I can't fucking wait. It's a Friday night on All Chaps.

I just don't know what it's for. What's it for? It's for, do you know what the problem with Serrano? I think she's going up to 140 pounds. I think it's 140. She's a featherweight. So yeah, that might not be good for Serrano. To be fair, who else is Katie Taylor going to fight if she doesn't fight Serrano? Michaela Meyer. It's a good fight. She's really good. Michaela is really, really good. Being some good fighters. To be fair, she's worthy of a big fight. Yeah, she is. But...

obviously the money that's involved in this fight. And to be fair, the fights were razor close fights against Serrano. So, you know, does she deserve the third fight? Maybe, maybe. Lauren Price needs to get in that mix as well. I mean, our boxers stitching everything up in it because there's nothing, there's no, there's complete silence from literally all of boxers fighters at the minute, which is not good, is it?

Yeah, you're right. Those are good names. You'll end up on the zone, boys. It's going to be the zone. Well, they need to do it pronto because you can't be too inactive, can you? You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah, the zone's the natural place for them to go, but I mean... I feel sorry for him. What's Ben Shalom saying? Has he piped up and said anything? No. He's just gone radio science as well? Yeah, not good, is it? So it clearly, obviously then...

The Sky deal is absolutely gone. So that's a given. So, yeah, you've got to make your decision soon, haven't you? Otherwise, your fighters are going to jump ship. Especially Ben Whittaker. He's definitely threatening.

Yeah. Yeah, he's going to be a matrim fighter before you know it. I'm telling you that now. He'll be a matrim fighter. Anyway, let's finish off with some Kaya special breaking news. Yeah, we're going to call this section the what the fuck is going on in boxing around the world section. So Mick, what are you saying, mate? I'm not being funny. What the fuck is going on?

Thank you, Mick. Right. So we're going to start off with Jake Paul, next opponent, his next opponent. Sorry if it's Jake Paul, starting off with Jake Paul. Butterbean! He's in a wheelchair, isn't he? Nah, mate. He's lost a shit ton of weight. He ain't Butterbean anymore. He's fucking... But a grain of rice. I don't know what it is. He just looks tiny. He looks tiny. Yeah, but he's still got his Bristol's. Still got his Bristol's. 58 years old. A year younger than...

Mike Tyson. So I can see that happening. He's lost 36 stone apparently. No, he just weighs over. 36 stone. But I've been making a standing comeback from Civit. Oh, he was 36 stone, but he disciplined. His discipline transformation through yoga and diet has enabled him to shed over 200 pounds, undergo a necessary hip surgery.

Perfect. Perfect opponent for Jake Paul, no? Yeah, no, yeah. I'm really excited for that. Fucking old men that are fucking on Death Store. Yeah, look forward to that. But there is talk about Anthony Joshua, Jake Paul. Do you know what? If there's enough money on the table, I can see that happening, boys. I really can. I hope so. Can you? Yeah, I hope so. But if it happens, do you think AJ would...

Actually, I can't watch what I say here. Yeah. I knew exactly what he was going to say. I was going to go, whoa. Do you think AJ will come into it all guns blazing? That's how I word that. He's fucking better. Otherwise, he ain't getting let off the hook. Mad, isn't it? Yeah. Doesn't happen. Mad. Not in a million years. Talking about Jake Paul, you know he's pursuing Piers Morgan legal action.

He's fucking suing Piers Morgan. He's such a fanny, isn't he? Move on from Jake Paul. What does he want people to think? Why is he suing him? What does he want people? Because he's said that the fight was rigged. Oh, did you say that? I didn't say that. Piers Morgan said it, yeah. If that's Piers Morgan, it's all right for us. Fucking don't us. Piers Morgan surely can't be saying that. I don't want to say it. I ain't got two pence to rub together. I ain't getting fucking sued by nobody.

Mate, if we get sued, that bill's going straight in your lap. I'll pay him a tenner a month until I'm dead. Right. Boys, what are your thoughts on this? Ricky Hatton returning to the ring, 46 years of age. 46 years of age. He's going to fight for the WBC Arabian belt. So it's a proper fight.

Under proper rules. Oh, it's a proper fight. Is it actually a proper fight? Yeah, it's not no exhibition. This is for an actual belt. Who's he fighting? He's fighting a local lad. I don't know his name. I'll get it for you now. He's fighting...

Yeah, just keep talking while I get the name. What do you reckon of the fight? It's the fight in Dubai. Yeah, it's over in the Middle East, yeah. Any thoughts on it? I don't know. Is it a real fight? Is it not a real fight? He had an exhibition. It's a real fight. No, it's a real fight. You don't know what's going on. He had all the demons, didn't he? And he sort of went off the rails a little bit, Ricky. And I mean, I don't want to see any of these legends, you know, fighters that I love.

coming back, getting in the ring. But what do I fucking know? He's a fighter. If it keeps him in the gym, training, away from other activities, then it might be something he needs, you know, at his life at the moment. But it's the guy that he's fighting the same age. I'm just trying to get the information now. I don't know. News break, isn't it? I don't know. I didn't know I was going to break the fucking fight, man, and tell you his box wreck. Oh, here we go. Here we go. His name's Al Dar.

46 as well, so they're both the same age. He's won eight of his last 11 bouts, last fought in 2021, suffering defeat by Mexico's Pedro Alejandro Delgado. So this guy hasn't fought for five years. And actually, Hatton fought before him when he fought, what's his name? Barrera. He fought him in 2022. So Hatton's actually fought before him. And it's for the WBC Arabian belt. It's a cash grab, isn't it, from everyone?

Good luck to him. They've obviously offered him a couple of million or whatever, haven't they?

get on to some decent boxing stuff. Like, yeah, this is bony. I think if they're the same age, I'm happy with it if they're the same age. First thoughts on the November the 22nd card. Oh, yes. Benevides Yard. Haney versus Brian Norman. Then we got Abdullah Mason versus Sam Noakes. Fucking love that fight.

It's a shame for Sam Noakes, though. He's gone from fighting nobody. Now he's fighting Abdullah Mason. Don't know how I feel about that. I think that's for the WBO belt. Correct me if I'm wrong. And then you've got Bam as well on the card. He's fighting... Fernando Martinez, who has got two victories over Kizuto Ayoka in his last two fights. And this has no mug for Bam Rodriguez. What a card. What are we saying about Anthony Yard? Should we spare a fault for Kahneman?

Smith? No. No, he turned it down. He turned the fight down. Oh, did he? Oh, okay. Yeah, I don't think the terms are right for him. I don't know what that means. I mean, at his age, turning down world title shots. I don't know what he was offered. He gets the winner, doesn't he? He gets the winner. Has he got more chance against Benavidez or against the winner of either of those?

title. It's a belt, isn't it? That's what they'll say because he's going to say he's all interested in a world title at this age. Maybe it's for the same money or more money. I absolutely hate it. That's the excuse. I hate it for Yard. It's not good, but he will be able to land. He will be able to land on him. Benavidez has not looked the same monster at 175 since he went up. He hasn't got the same punch power. He certainly doesn't hit as hard as Beterbiev.

He's only had one fight, hasn't he? Vostik. No, he's had two. He's had two fights at 175. Who was the other one? He fought Vostik. I'd said that. That was it. And then he fought Morel. Morel recently. Oh, right. Okay, sorry. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, Morel's a good scalp, isn't it? Bloody hell. You know what I mean? Yeah, but he's also come up from 168. So I don't know, you know, make it out what you will. But I think Yard...

You always give him a chance against anybody because he has got knockout power. But yeah, gun to my head, I think it ends badly for Anthony Yard in this fight. The Lyndon Arthur fight was just not enough to tell me he's got a chance of beating. someone like David Benavidez. No way. I agree. I wonder how much money he's getting paid. It's just, it's a mad career to go from fighting Dorman to then Kovalev.

Back to Dorman, better be have. Back to Dorman, fucking Benavidez. It's mental, isn't it? It's absolutely mental. The managing of his career has been awful. All that, but he's made a ton of money. So who are we to say? Yeah. Yeah. Still stringing the sentence together. But yeah, I think he gets knocked the fuck out, mate, by Benavides. I'd love nothing more than Anthony Yard to win. Like, I like Anthony Yard. I really do. But I just think...

I don't know. He's got no amateur... Hell of a fight. He's going to be an entertaining fight and he's going to stand and he's going to throw his hands. He's going to meet him head on, isn't he? He's going to meet him head on. It's going to be a brilliant fight, however long it lasts. And Benavidez...

We'll have to answer some questions of his own in there. Make no mistake, this ain't going to be no one-way traffic. Benavides walks him down, pummels him and stops him mid-rounds. It ain't going to go like that. Benavides will get backed up and get caught as well. He'll get caught because he can be hit. You know, he's a pressure fighter really, isn't he? So is that for any interim belt or anything like that? It's for the world title, isn't it? Pretty sure. World title?

No. No, it's not for the world title. They've got all the belts. No, I think it's for the interim belt. I'm just going to double check. I come to these things from work, boys. It's a great fight though, isn't it? Well, you don't fucking know, do you? You two. What? What?

You don't know what it's for. We weren't digging you out. We don't. There you were. You went great something you was about to say. I said it's a great threat. No, you weren't. Yes, he did, you fucking knobhead. Oh, there we go. David Benavidez to defend the WBC title versus Anthony Yard. So it is for the world title. How can it be for the world title? Did they drop a title? I knew I wasn't fucking going mad. It's got a WBC belt. What, have they dropped a belt then? Yeah.

When did that happen? Bivolts dropped a belt. I didn't even know that. He didn't even fucking know that. He's only just read that and figured it out. Stick on that. Don't even know what he's fucking going on about. Kiss on that. When did that happen then? That's flummoxed me, that. Because we all assumed there was going to be a full fight, a third fight for the Undisputed. So that's just a load of madness. So hold on a minute. Wait, wait, wait. Hold on a minute. So...

I'm going to double check there. Wait, David Benavidez is flying Anthony Yard for the WBC Light Heavyweight World Championship belt. So Callum Smith... David Benavidez was recently upgraded to the full WBC champion after Demetri Bivol vacated the green and gold belt. Vacated it. So it's for the world title. So why the fuck is Callum Smith not taking this fight then?

That's what I'm saying. He turned it down. He turned the world title shot down. I said it a minute ago and you lot just didn't say anything. Yeah, well, I didn't realise it was for the full world title because I had no idea that people would let it go. But that is a bit... Although the only thing I can think of is, you know, Callum Smith has been a world champion before. But then again, he was talking about this. Not 175, he ain't.

Yeah, well, yeah. But he's been talking about this resurgence of his career is for another world title. So why did he turn that down? You're right, John. No, I can't figure that one out. Strange.

Strange. Money, isn't it? Would you reckon, just quickly, Haney versus Norman. I'm praying for Brian Norman to win that fight. Nothing against Devin Aini. I respect Devin Aini. Takes on all comers. It's just so boring to watch. I can't have the geezer. He's going to run around the ring here because Brian Norman's got two spectacular knockouts in his last two fights. Really good knockouts. Haney ain't engaging here because he'll get knocked out as well. But Turkey must have said to him...

Haney, you ain't doing that again, what you did last time. Otherwise, I ain't paying you. You're a thin ice. So it must turn into a fight, surely. It must do. Too much risk. They're going to start swinging with him. I don't think you can unwind what you, you, what you are. This is who he is. I don't think you can all of a sudden just start being someone else. This is how he's trained his whole fucking life. This is him. This is his style. This is his DNA. I don't think all of us, I think.

as soon as the going gets tough in that ring, he will revert to type and it'll be boring as fuck. Yeah. Norman for me. Nah. Have you got Haney, boys? Haney. Yeah, Haney on points. Norman for me. Fuck it. That's a heart pick. Have you got Abdullah Mason or Sam Noakes? Mason. Quickly. Mason. Noakes. And lastly, Bam Rodriguez versus Daniel Martinez. Bam by annihilation. I don't know. Bam on points. Yeah.

So who else have I got? Kieran Conway back to fight for the European title. He's got a European title shot coming up. Why is he not fighting? What's his name? The Essex lad for the British title. I thought that was the fight, wasn't it? Yeah. What's his name? I think he's not taking that. I know the one you mean. West Ham fan, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. George Liddard. George Liddard. That's it. Yeah.

Oh, well, there you go. That's a fair play, I suppose. And finally, if Shakur Stevenson beats William Cepeda, apparently they're in discussions to do the tank fight afterwards. No. What I have read somewhere is that it's going to be Schofield. Oh, love to see that. Didn't they have that fight arranged before? And it fell through. Yeah. It was on the Daniel Dubois one.

Oh, was that when Padley went in? Oh, yeah, yeah, that's right. So now all of a sudden there's a bit of a triangle going on here because Schofield knocked out Farmer. Zepeda went the distance with Farmer twice. So if... Shaco Stevenson goes a distance with Farmer. There's a little bit of a triangle there that they could probably promote. Interesting. I think we'll leave it there. That's it. I'm done. Yeah. Yeah, I'm done.

Lovely stuff. Well, enjoy the fights this weekend and cannot wait to talk about Usyk Dubois next week. We are going to do, get yourselves ready, get your popcorn ready. We're going to do a couple of... Well, we're going to do a pod at least, and we're going to do a call-in pod as well. So stay tuned for that. When is it? Next week? Yeah. Shredaz. Shredaz. Stay tuned for that. See you all next week. Peace out. ACAST powers the world's best podcasts. Here's a show that we recommend.

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