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People say good money to see this movie.
When they go out to a theater, they want cold sodas, pop popcorn, and no monsters in the protection booth.
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Superman, the most powerful being on planet Earth.
We finally meet.
Now as plans, I'll destroy you, and of course that reporter you always do interviews with.
Who raised you as a child. I'll kill them too.
No matter what you do to me, Luthor, your plans will work. Wrap it up.
Good luck with that.
Make a move, Big Blue.
They chose him that doesn't die. Hi, quit messing around.
I'm not messing around.
I'm doing important stuff. Hey buddy, it's up here.
Welcome to a special crossover episode of Midnight Viewing, the Culture Cast and the Projection Booth. I'm yourls. Mike White joined me once again.
Is Father Malone look up in the sky.
Also joining us is mister Christasue.
If I call you bitch, does that make me supergirl?
We are gathered to discuss the twenty twenty five film from writer, director, head honcho of DC, James Gunn. It's the story. Well, I'm just going to actually reuse the intro I use back in twenty twenty one for Superman the movie. The film stars David korn Sweat as a titular Man of Steel. It's neither bird nor plane, but a story of a man whose father gave has only
begotten son for the people of Earth. He's out to fight for truth, justice in the American way by foiling an elaborate Well, it's not really a real estate scam, but I guess maybe it is. Whatever it is, it's set up by Lex Luthor, played by Nicholas Holt. I'm not sure if it's possible to spoil this film, but we are going to try so. If you haven't seen Superman, please turn off the podcast and come back after you have.
We will still be here. So Chris, as the youngest one here, what is your history with Superman and his various forms? Sir?
I had seen Superman Returns in the when it came out, which, as I'm sure we all remember, was such a filmic experience that they followed it up with nothing for a
very long time. I then proceeded to avoid like the plague, which the people apparently people don't mind not having anymore, the Man of Steel, which was primarily motivated by the fact that it was directed by Zack Snyder, who, Yeah, I liked Yojimbo or is it Seventh Samurai when it wasn't five hours long with Rebel Moon or all of the other extended horseshit that Zack Snyder throws up on the screen, like that Justice League that we talked about
so many moons ago. So my experience with Superman was about that. I went into the new movie having watched the old movies to prepare for the new movie, not having been a child of those movies, not having been a child of the Chris Reeves Superman. Again, that is where we are are. Probably at least one or two of us are different in that regard because when I
was growing up, I did not watch Superman. I watched those Batman movies, and by those, I mean the one because, as father Malone knows, I just recently watched Batman Returns for the first time last year, so I was more exposed to other DC properties early on, not so much Superman, and then post Superman Returns, I've seen Superman in things, but more or less against my will is kind of
what it feels like with Batman. Versus Superman, Justice League movies, I unequivocally had no interest in covering, but covered because somebody's gonna want to hear us say something about it at some point, so might as well be as soon as it comes out. But that's my history with Superman. So I am coming into this with no expectations. Really, the only expectation I had going into this movie was
it actually kind of looked good. The guy who plays Superman, David Corning, sweat actually feel like a hopeful version of Superman, not like this dour, sad, muscle bound guy who seems like he couldn't be less interested in playing Superman. If you tried, kind of like Daniel Craig with James Bond, it's like, we get it, you don't like it. Everybody else would love to play this role, but you fucking
hate it. Fun So I didn't get that in the trailers, and I didn't watch the trailers for this movie, which I'm trying to follow your lead and not regard, Mike, because you tend to not watch trailers for stuff. And I will say the trailers for this movie didn't spoil anything either, So there was also no but that's my experience with Superman. So I'm probably the least exposed of the three of us in terms of Superman and Superman knowledge.
What about you, father Malone. When I was a kid, there were no DC properties, There were no comic book properties at all. The first comic book character I saw on the big screen was Christopher Reeves Superman in nineteen seventy eight. I was five years old. I'm sure Mike you had a similar story. So it was that, and then Superman two, and then three and then four. I've seen every cinematic Superman on screen since he's been making flicks to greater and lesser interest and success. I'd say
those movies pretty much for me. The last good Superman movie was Superman two. It might be the only actual good Superman movie because everything else has been diminishing Returns as far as I could tell, Like what's his name, Brian fucking Singer with his horrible like attempt to sequelize what was already sequalized, Like you calm down, young man.
That's right, because Superman Returns was technically a sequel to what.
Superman for Superman two?
Okay, I was trying to remember if it was the we cut a movie out scenario or not. That was a very early example of that too, by the way.
Well, and that's on the heels of us not getting the Tim Burton Superman movie that we'd all been sort of the salivating over during the nineties, and then, God damn, I kind of disagree with you. I think Henry cavill, I don't think he was disinterested in playing that character. I think he wanted to play that character. I just think he was given the fucking most dour universe ever to be Superman in. And who would want to play that version of Superman? Anyone to want to play this one?
But I hated those movies. You know, I've said it before. Zack Snyder has read two comic books, Dark Knight Returns and Watchman, and that's it. And he didn't understand Watchman.
He understood that Watchman was visually compelling, that what's about it?
He gets surface things. That's why he used every music cue from the book in there. That's why he put fucking sounds of Silence in there, because he heard it in another movie. It's like, we are not here to discuss Zack Snyder, im mercifully his reign is over and all of his fanboys can shut the fuck up now.
One.
I've really enjoyed this new Superman. I thoroughly. I had a good time. Honestly, I have a lot of fucking problems. Nevertheless, this was such a promising step in the right direction. How about you mcguin, Oh.
Very similar story. I think I have seen every Superman since seventy eight. I mean I didn't watch you know, Superman Versus the Molemen or any of those.
But I saw those in a theater when I was a kid. There was a theater that was a revival house that used to show cereals. So I saw the Batman, Sirius and the Supermans. Two.
Well, I can't say I had a lot of hopes pinned to the two thousand and six Superman returns. I liked hearing the music cues, and my friend Mike Thompson was recalling, you know, oh yeah, when we saw that trailer, we were just so happy about it. And they said, but what if they didn't use the music, what if they didn't use John Williams's score, would we have still felt the same? Probably not. And they were going all out using footage of Marlon Brando and they were also
using the same lines from the earlier films. I'm just like, why would he still be saying these things We've already heard him say to miss Lane that traveling is statistically still the safest way to fly. It just felt I like Brandon Routh, and I felt like, kind of like Henry Cavill, he just got shoved into a shit movie. I'm not a big fan of Scott Pilgrims Versus the World or Saves the World or whatever it is, but Routh really kind of redeemed himself in that movie for me.
But man, oh man, that was just such a letdown. And then every Zack Snyder influenced thing. I mean, the only time I think I saw Henry Cavill's smile was maybe in his little cameo in the Sham movie. But holy shit, Yeah, this one, it's definitely a James gun film. It felt so James Gunn. It was more James Gunn than James gun could James Gunn at this point.
You really think, so, I disagree, like.
James Gunn was holding himself back. I didn't even I didn't realize we were giving our thoughts on the movie either, because I didn't give mine. I thought this movie was a step in the right direction, but just as your foot was landing, you tripped a little bit, just ever so slight. It wasn't a full landing because it was.
I will say that I enjoyed this movie absolutely. I had a lot of fun with it. Just sometimes the James goudness of it got him the way a little bit. When it came to like Crypto, I was like, okay, yeah, I remember the dog from Guardians of the Galaxy three and the way that he would back and forth with Sean Gunn and all that. Crypto felt so Rocket Raccoon meets whatever. I can't remember the name of the dog from the third Guardians film, who was also I believe in the special, the Christmas special.
We're talking about Cosmo, And yeah, James had a fixation with dogs in all of his movies, but.
Now it's his dog. It's his dog now.
As an old Superman fan, like, look, I didn't think we were ever getting Crypto, and honestly I didn't want Crypto, so no one's was as shocked as me. The Crypto was as well presented as he is, like he was very, very fun for about twenty minutes and then I was like, Okay, yep, Crypto again, let's put him here again at the end, and that come, dude, we get it. You love fucking dogs. We all love dogs. I love Superman. That's the fucking movie I came for.
I thought he was cute and everything, but he was just I kind of wish there was a real dog mixed in with the CGI version of the dog. I don't know if there really was a dog that was used in this film at all. It just felt like pure CGI the whole way through.
And the dog is based off of James Gunn's real dog. That's He's like, I kept seeing my own dog and all the promotional stuff, It's like, all right, James Gunn, all right.
But yeah, I was surprised that Sean Gunn wasn't in it.
More.
I did like the little voice cameos from some of the folks that were in Guardians, you know, Palm and Michael Rooker I'm sure had a voice cameo as some of these superbots that he had. And I like those Superman bots that he had because they really reminded me talking of that whole Tim Burton ordeal, the saga to get that film to the screen, which never ultimately happened.
There were what six scripts, I think at least, including one by JJ Abrams, and all of these scripts had different stuff, but they're all based on the Death of Superman, which included the use of a Kryptonian robot that basically merged with Superman to almost be like an exoskeleton for him. And it was very similar to this whole robot thing that he had going like, oh, it's technology from his other world eradicator, Yes, thank you, which loves to play squash on Tuesdays against his coworkers.
I am the Eradicator, I have to say.
As soon as they showed that video with Bradley Cooper, I was like, Okay, well, I know where this is going, Like he was sent here to conquer Earth, not to protect Earth. Eventually that's going to come out. And I just felt that sometimes it was a little too twenty twenty five with all of the stuff about online chatter and super shit, and then seeing all the monkeys with the brain implants and stuff, and I was just like,
all right, this is a little much. I kind of wish they had backed off of that a little bit and maybe given lex luthor a little bit more space and a little bit more nuance, because he just seemed pissed off the entire time. And I love Nicholas Holt, but it just felt like he was playing it at eleven the whole way through.
I kind of liked that he was playing at at eleven because he was like a rage baiting troll of like the kind that you run into gaming online, like an actual, like fucking internet troll. Given the ability to actually use his brain as opposed to just typing the end word over and over again, this guy is much more of a nuanced asshole.
So he's actually lethal in person and thus not like an internetroal at all.
Yeah. Well, I mean he does kill somebody in the movie.
He's exactly like a fly. He doesn't have multifaceted eyes nor wings, but he's definitely like a fly.
At the end of the day, if you have a movie that's as narratively disjointed as this one, and you expect the audience to understand that coming into it, it's not going to be an origin story, which I don't think the issue of it not being an origin story is an issue at all.
I thought that was great. I love that intro.
Fucking a get right to it, everybody.
I think it worked really well, but I don't think the rest of the plot, like you kind of alluded to, Mike, does anything other than Meyer itself in a specific time and place. And we've talked about this before with something like the Twilight's Own reboot and then the end of this movie, and Nicholas holds in a lot of ways the framing device. And again, I know James Gunn is one writing the script, just like I know who wrote the script for Ghostbusters twenty sixteen. The villain in Ghostbusters
twenty sixteen was an Internet in cell. That's what he was. That's who took that movie to task was Internet in cells because they thought the movie wasn't gonna be good because women were cast as Ghostbusters. It wasn't go because it wasn't funny. Like Father belowde alluded to with the Zack Snyder fanboys that are just dragging this movie because
it exists. I feel like part of the James gunness of the movie that I have a problem with because I think he restrained himself at times with other things that he wants to always do. I think he set the movie into specific a time and place to your point, the twenty twenty five of it all, and it's not the And again I don't want to say the wokeness
of it all because that's a stupid term. But like, there are things that I don't think necessarily do your movie any service, including them because they date your movie. And I'm not saying every movie needs to be timeless, but the dating of this movie does not help the
movie's cause. And I think it's the muddied plot of the movie kind of goes nowhere, doesn't justify Superman getting involved, And by the end of it, I'm like, I'm just excited for whatever happens next because that means I get to see this character who I actually like, is soon this version of Superman going and doing something else. Hopefully it's not this.
Don't make it this what plot?
I would say, that's yeah, it's very very little.
During the entire film, I kept wondering what the plot was, and now twenty four hours later, I'm still wondering what the plot was.
Remember how we were like, the trailer doesn't spoil the movie. There was no plot to spoil.
The plot is basically Lex Luthors versus Superman no matter what.
The scenario is not always Superman.
That's fine, and I'm willing to go with that, but I do need to spend a little bit more time with Lex if you're going to tell me that the same amount of screen time afforded to the miss Test Mocker Jimmy Olsen romance is equal, because what in the fuck is going on? First of all, just personally, I do not like that actor playing Jimmy Olsen. There's something about that.
Guy, oh Skyler Gazando.
That makes me think he grew up eating fried Maloney sandwiches. There's just something about his face that makes me want to push it in. I don't like him. Nevertheless, I also was like, why am I? Why are we watching this? Like? I know Lex, because I've read the fucking comics my entire life, and I've fucking watched all of the movies and the TV shows and everything, right, And that's fine, so I don't necessarily need to get inside his brain. But as you've said, he is at eleven the entire time.
This is the angriest Lex we've ever seen. And I'm good with angry Lex. That's fine. We haven't really seen him yet, but what is actually motivating him? I want one scene where we find that out. Just slow him down for two fucking seconds. If that were to include maybe a conversation with Superman that wasn't them just trying
to beat the shit out of each other. That could have been welcome, and that only kept getting reinforced every time we cut to this stupid fucking test Macher Jimmy Olsen romance that I mean, I know it makes sense the plot, like whatever plot there is like that pays off, but who cares anyway?
Sorry, there were other ways to get around it.
I had to vent my spleen about the fucking Jimmy Owlson bullshit man.
Skyler Gazando, what did he do to hurt you? Father Malone?
He's unappealing, that's fair, No, I just that's vallid. He seems a very talented human being. Maybe he's a really nice guy. I don't like the look of him. It's like Billy Zane. I know everyone loves Billy Zane. I get the same sort of ick factor from him.
Robin Wright Penn with me. I get it.
So yeah, all right, yeah, I'm.
Just like, yeah, I get it, get it, I will say, Skyler Goazando is very funny in the Vacation reboot where he's just having to shit beat out of him the entire movie, So you might like it there.
That was where I learned to hate him there, because I was like, this is our rusty.
This Oh I'd loved him in that. Yeah, but it's funny. I mean, we just talked about Vacation for the Chase and Chevy Chase podcast and I'm sitting there through three quarters of the movie just going is that that kid looks so familiar?
Why do I know?
And I did like this weird thing where because he's not traditionally handsome whatsoever. And when they had the very attractive girls waving at him, I was like, are they waving at somebody behind him? And then later on when they see what Eve Testmoker looks like, and it took me forever to realize that she was missed Testmcker. They just come calling her Eve through the whole thing. But when they find out what she looks like and they're like, what is it with you, Jimmy? Like why are all
these girls throwing themselves at you? These very hot women, Like what is going on here? I kind of like that I really wanted more Harry White. I really would have liked to have seen more of him.
You know.
I really like the actor that played him, Wendell Pearce, But it just felt like there wasn't a lot of them. And I guess I am not very smart when it comes to the Superman more. I kind of go back more to the old radio show and stuff when it comes to the Daily Planet, because I had no idea who the Cat Grant character is.
Oh, she's relatively new, she showed up in the eighties.
Okay, because I'm just like, who is this little blonde lady who looks kind of like Kristin Chenowith. But isn't it's an apt comparison.
Do you think maybe it was overstuffed with characters?
I don't think all the time.
When you have this like bubble that they're in when it comes to the Internet, when it comes to the media sphere, and it's almost like I'm done with it, you know, like, Okay, this bad thing happens. Then suddenly we cut to Michael Ian Black as Cleaveless Thornweight doing his whole talk show and all this stuff. And then later on when they find out that Lex Luthor is a trader cut to again, like all the headlines are immediately that, and I'm like, oh, it's the twenty four
hour news cycle. It's like, how many times you know it's not a Barry Sonenfeld movie, you know, come on, like, it's just leave it alone, would you?
Like?
What's something else?
I go to the movies to escape, and I know that this sounds fucking stupid, but I don't fucking need to be reminded about how shitty the world is outside in the fucking movies, because holy shit, the world outside is rough as it is. But then it's like it's Superman's dealing with the same stuff.
I am like, fucking cool. I guess at the end of the day, Yes, I'm glad we never had Iron Man was a drunk in MCU, But I think the MCU made the right call by not including that, because nobody wants to see Robert Downey Junior pretending to be an old version of himself that he didn't fucking like, and they avoided it.
No, they just puss it out in the second one where they had that one scene with him a crunk, He's gone crazy, He's pissing in his thing. So don't think that they fucking avoided that. They just didn't dedicate an entire movie to that story arc. They played that arc out friend.
But they didn't give it a whole movie.
No, because nobody wanted to sit there for an entire movie. But I understand what you're saying about the times reflecting the movie and we want to get away from it and everything. However, all my going into this movie was I don't know that, given our fucking current political climate, when the world is on fire, that I can get behind some bullshit fucking like plot line of Superman and Lois Lane and Lex Luthor for the fucking millions time.
So I actually embraced that they were sort of in an oblique way, dealing with our current climate and dealing with the current like attitudes and the current sort of political machinations that are going on, because ultimately, it is a James Gun movie, and it is a softball of a film, and it is there to fucking hug you and make you feel good. So if they're gonna do it anywhere in entertainment, I want it here because everything else is going to feel like a fucking ballpeen hammer of the skull.
That's fair, but also, do we really want James Gun to be the arbiter of our.
Top in this case? Apparently yes, I go.
I guess when you piss an entire group of people on the internet off by saying, and I quote Superman is an immigrant unquote an entire sub section of.
He's not being a rebel though, it's like the most basic fucking fact about the man, he's not from here.
That was included in the Dean Kine show, for fuck's sake, literally, then the article about it, they quote an episode of that show. Like it's interminable at this point, how much people can't get out of their own way to just watch a fucking movie. It's kind of a sad thing.
It's interminable that we have to even have the conversation, like, who gives a shit? What are you all talking about? It's fucking Superman. He is the moral center of this country and pop culturally speaking, Like, ever since the fucking thirties, he has been our beacon of hope, and we embraced the fact that he fucking came from somewhere else and could do whatever he wanted and chose to enact our ideal.
He disguises himself as someone from Kansas. For God's sakes, he is from someone from Kansas. Exactly. None of us are adopted. None of us can understand like direct adoption by two parents that are not ours. And that's the other thing that Superman brings is he's adopted by a family without children to be their son. And then he takes it upon himself to embrace that as a character, and that's part of his character and in the movie, I think that's probably the best part of the entire
movie for me, is those scenes with his family. That's it. There's a lot going on in the movie, but the center of heart of the movie are those moments pack in Kansas. But it's like, of course, of course they were going to be great. We have four actors who are good actors, with well written dialogue interacting with each other, with all the noise cut out and nothing else. It's like an oasis in a sea of close up shots of David Corning, sweat flying through the air.
As Clark Kent was raised in Smallville, Louisiana. Judging from his parents at the accents.
Oh hold out, there aren't come in here, mush. They've never been to Kansas, but they know where it is. Un amappened. That was wild. The accents were people in this part of the Midwest don't have any accents. That's actually the point. That's why so many call centers are in the Midwest because people don't have accents in the Midwest. But yes, sound like they're in Georgia. Yeah.
I mean the whole idea of him being an immigrant is what a lot of the lex Luthor problem is is when he is just like, how dare this alien come to our planet and think that he can do all of this exist He's a total racist?
That's enough.
All that should be enough. Yeah, and then this whole thing of the two countries that he has fighting and all that. I was like, Okay, that's kind of your plot. So what I'm saying is if I was in the control room that I would probably turn down the whole thing about the media circus that is going on in our country that we have to deal with every single day, and maybe focus a little bit more on this, Yeah, maybe Ukrainian situation that we have when it comes to
all of this stuff. I mean, that is where the plot is heaviest for me, and I'm like, yeah, please, let's stick around with that. And yeah, I do agree that we tend to have a lot of characters in this movie. We are jumping all over the place, a lot of people at the Daily Planet, a lot of people hanging out with Lex Luthor, this whole Justice Gang thing. It's like, okay, that's a little much as well. I mean that would tell me anything about Hawkgirl at all, like any one thing.
She's okay with killing people. That's about it.
I don't know which hawk girl this is. There's a Thanagarian hawk girl, there's a hawk girl on Earth? Which one was she who knows don't even know her fucking surname.
And then to have the multiple villains and everything, I was like, okay, like maybe one rather than having Ultraman, which made me laugh every single time they said Ultraman. And then the Engineer, I'm like, oh, okay, But again they're medic humans, and if Lex hates medic humans.
But he employs them too, I mean I kind of like that, but Lex has always done that, you know.
But the whole Pocket Universe thing I thought was great.
No, well, you know, he hates them, but he employs them, you know. Again, a little on the nose movie like.
That's Smallville for ten seasons. He was using them to.
You know, I like the Pocket Universe stuff. I really like the Mister Terrific stuff. I thought that was great. I kind of wanted a little bit more of Guy Gordon. I know he's insufferable in the comics. And my same friend Mike told me his origin story and he I love this backstory, and I really hope they go more into it when it comes to the Lantern series that they're going to be doing. And I have to say I was a little delighted when I got to see
John Cena in here as well. That one little brief moment of the Patriot I thought was great.
You know, they're going to have to explain that at some point, but I'm glad that we now see that as part of the thing, and.
They're just going to explain it off as some Pocket universe of its own. Here's the thing about Pocket universes, and this is always my problem with most super villains, is that they always introduce some technology to defeat the hero in and of itself, the patent would make them billionaires beyond their wildest dreams. Lex has effectively a teleporter.
Why is there any battlefield at those two countries. He should just march them through his little pocket universe and into the fucking neighboring country and Bob's your uncle, we now rule them. I know he covered his bases here, James Gunn did in making that. Lex not only wants Superman out of the way, he wants him humiliated. So that's why it takes most of the movie. Lex's plot concerns doing just that, like disgracing Superman. But really it's a means to an end to get him arrested, to
get him into one of these Pocket universes. When he has a we're spoiling everything, right, He has a clone of Superman that he is under his direct control, who at any time could have just grabbed onto Superman and thrown him into one of these machines and sent him into the Pocket Universe and then just fucking shut down the Pocket Universe. I love a Pocket universe, They'll get me wrong. I like the visualization of it here and
some of the things they do with it. But as soon as that was introduced, I'm like, Okay, well, this is a whole new cosmic sort of situation. Now This has repercussions beyond just Lex hates Superman and wants some off planet like it made it a little too advanced along the timeline of these movies, you know what I mean. I don't know.
It's also slightly disconcerting for me, as someone who has not been a fan of any of the MCU multiverse stuff, for them to be introducing this kind of stuff this early on, knowing how poorly the MCU has handled it, and this is just getting started. Like you said, Vada Blunt, don't go there now, Like you could do a kryptonite box with Superman in it, like they effectively did that. Anyways, that was still part of the equation. It wasn't just
the Pocket universe. It's also you had to be trapped in a box with a guy who can make kryptonite out of his body, Like okay, why not just.
Do that, invite Superman to tea and bring Metamorpho with you.
I'm worried because I know the Peacemakers show what John Cena is going to have to explain how the original Peacemaker from the DCEU is now in the DCEU, which are two different things, And they're going to have to explain it somehow, and they've already alluded to the factor.
Are you really that concerned?
I want this to stay uncarnished by shit like that, because it's been shown how easily you can just start getting into the weeds of stupidity with multiverse stuff. Because the NCU has like hardcore.
Yeah, I don't know if they'll ever do that. I just feel like the Suicide Squad was basically the start of the dc U whatever this new thing is called. And I read in Wikipedia that they're calling it like Phase one Gods and Monsters or something.
Amo he has been calling it since day one when he got the gig. He was like, Phase one will be gods and monsters, starting with creature commandos. And I'm like, you know what, I definitely want to think about Universal Pictures when I'm watching a wonder film and good work, James.
What do you guys think of Rachel Brosnahan as Lois Lane?
Loved her, He's great.
I love that she's got a little Margot Kitter in her smile. I thought that was really nice, and I did really like her, and I really liked the scene of them doing the interview. I thought that was great acting on both of their parts, and I thought that both of these actors are terrific.
I knew we were in good hands when she made a choice as Lewis Lane to eat an individually wrapped butterscotch candy by putting the entire wrapper in her mouth and then pulling it out and then using her teeth to keep the butterscotch in her mouth. I'm that's great.
I think she's the best contemporary like you guys, said Lois Lane, since Margot Kidder. I don't think they gave Amy Adams enough to do with Man of Steel and then Kate Bosworth. I mean that movie just well again, there's no excuses for that movie. That movie is a mess, and Brandon Routh and Kate Bosworth have nothing to do with that movie being a mess. That movie was a mess long before anybody else was brought on board.
She's great.
I think she's great. I think she can stand up to David korn sweat Superman, and her being able to stand up to Superman, that's an important part of kind of the dynamic between the two of them, especially with
what James Gunn is going for. I like she has that she has a level of autonomy of her own as a character is important because that's kind of always been the point of the character, and that hasn't been as much a part of the movies as it should have been, if it ever has been with anything Zack Snyder did at all.
You know, I can take color blind casting like DRIs elbaz as Heim Dull, but I don't know where anyone got this idea that it's cool to make Lois Lane a blonde. Lois Lane is a brunette from now on. Let's keep it that way. That is all.
I thought you were going to go after Perry White. I was like, Oh my god, what kind of podcast am I on right now?
Oh no, get out of here.
Are you kidding me? Laurence Fishburne was the last Perry White. I mean you know, oh you know what they bitched about that too.
Oh fuck Jesus Christ.
The people who ended up bitching that we weren't embracing Zack Snyder enough. Initially we're bitching that Perry White was black. Let's not forget that about those Zack Snyder fans.
And you could hold a gun against my head and ask me who played Perry White or Jimmy Olsen in The Superman Returns. Maybe I would say Paul Dano.
Was he white? Was Franklin Jella?
Oh Jesus wow, thank you, because I just could not.
Think Jimmy Olsen.
Was Sam Huntington, Okay, Dylan No, he wasn't. Was he in Dylan Dog with Brand Dead of Night? But wasn't Sam Worthington one of those generic white guys from the mid two thousands with.
All Sam Samington, Yeah, Jy Courtney Worthington, Sam Huntington was.
He was the Jungle to Jungle. He wasn't Dylan Dog Dead.
Oh Jesus, Okay, there you go.
That's the real Brandon rough kid that everybody wanted to work on. Was Dylan Dog Dead of Knight? I was disappointed, Mike, you didn't say that was your Brandon rap movie and choice.
I saw that in the theater.
Jesus Christ, what theater do the one screening of the one theater in the United States that showed the fucking movie.
I don't know, it just showed up. And then I saw it in the paper, went well, that's wild.
He was so good and not another teen movie too. That old scene with Gleason, the principal.
From The Breakfast Lub. Yeah, outside of Margo Kidder as Lois Lane, I think this might be the best version of the Daily Planet we've gotten in a while. If ever, I mean, Laurence Fisherman was good, but again not given enough to do.
I think it's fine. It's as good as any Daily Plan on. Ultimately, how much time do we really want to spend in the Daily Planet in any Superman unless it's Lois and Clark and were supposed to be spending time at the Daily Planet as long as everyone's kind of cool and doing their job and everything like great, but like, let's get out of the Daily Planet. We'll see what they're reporting on.
Give James Gunn the opportunity to make Daily Planet TV show. You know, he's champing at the bit. He just wants it. Give me more, give me more.
I mean, yeah, you're probably right, they probably will get that.
Actually, here's the question though, like is any of that a bad thing?
No?
Yeah, I don't know. You don't want to have another MCU scenario where it's like you gotta watch all the stuff to understand the movies. And I don't think James Gunn would do that. But that is another concern, is that huge casting of the net and expecting everybody to get on board. But then it's like, yo, I don't want to have to watch four shows to appreciate.
Your next movie.
That's not okay. For like a tad again, we might be able to do that, but for casual fans, that's not. That's not a thing that I think should be the norm.
Well, I think even Marvel has learned that lesson. I imagine they're gonna start backing way the fuck off now with the you mean.
Moonnight's not gonna be an Avenger's doomsday.
Speaking of lessons from Marvel, I was really glad that the post credit sequences had nothing to set up the next movies, unless, like the unevenness of the building has something to do with it. No, I don't think so. They're just having a conversation. So I was really glad that it wasn't Oh, and here's how we're gonna reboot Batman, or here's an email with logos for Aquaman.
Oh that's a low blow, Mike, Come on? Could you? How could you? It's so fun to laugh again, isn't it now that we can make fun of their pain because it came full circle. They got what they wanted, it stuck, and now they're back in their idiot holes where they belong.
Yeah, I'm hoping. I've been hoping for the success of this movie just to shut them the fuck up. Like I didn't agree. I didn't really care what we got as long as it was as far from the dour, fucking bleak, just muddy looking, like uninteresting, Like these are gods and we're witnessing these gods battling each other.
That's when they don't have any good dialogue, No kaal el or whatever the fuck galgad does it.
At this point, the character is gonna shoot lightning. What do you think on the soundtrack? Do you think we can get that?
What a boner that guy had for needle drops? Just like I have the budget of a god, so I could just be a fucking child with my needle drops. That's the thing in this movie. For all of James Gunn's needle droppiness in the past, I feel like he contains himself here.
I was absolutely shocked. Now he does love to have those montages of the hero kicking ass.
Yeah, one shot is the fake it.
And you know, it's very yon due with the Arrow and Guardians. What was that Guardians too? Right when it's zipping all around and killing Taser Face and all those guys. That reminded me of that quite a bit. But yeah, not the needle drops that we had, though. I had to say that Lois and Clark's theme every time that they would get together and have like their little romantic moment. I was just like, this music sounds a lot like Three Doors Down Kryptonite. Just in need guitar coming in,
I was just like, Okay. For a minute, I was like, is this five for fighting super and it's not easy? Or is this three Doors Down Kryptonite? And finally I was like, no, no, this is Kryptonite. But I was like, that can't be a coincident.
Oh no, I'm sure.
I loved it though, as a child of the nineties who grew up listening to that music, yeah, part of me was secretly hoping that the movie would end original Spider Man style with like with a Superman or kryptinie one of the two. Like I was just like, they're gonna do it right, Like what James Gun's not going to miss his opportunity and he didn't do it. I was kind of surprise, Oh, I.
Know, or that ram cover of Superman. You know I am I Am Superman.
I'm like, yes, No, he totally restrained himself. He ended with fucking Teddy Bears punk Rocker, which is as obscure a fucking track as you can possibly get. I mean, I know it's iggy Pop on the fucking vocal, but like, good for him, and that was beautiful, by the way. I think James Gunn is a good writer as far as themes go. I think he's top of the pops there when it comes to the themes in his movies and setting them up and paying them off. I don't
know that he knows plot necessarily. I think his jokes are generally corny and stale. But I loved the circularity of a broken and beaten Superman being soothed by video of his parents and it's jo l and his mom, and then at the end they're soothing him with pictures of mon pop Kent. I loved that. That made me fucking cry when that started happening, And that was the only earned moment of me crying in this movie. Because
he tried a few times and he did not. There are a couple of unearned sort of crowd pleasing moments. I thought, like at the start of the war, when the little kids are hefting the fucking Superman flag, It's like we just dropped into this scene. We're just meeting these people. You cannot expect me to stand up in a plot right now. I can't cheer you right now, James, this is coming out of nowhere. There's so many plots and so many different fucking threads going on that how
am I supposed to be invested at all here? But he definitely wanted us to correct when it.
Comes to war. I mean, is that how we fight wars? As a bunch of people on one side of a hill and a bunch of people on another side of the hill? Modern warfare?
He also said, spill all the blood, Like we do know that people will just indeterminately kill civilions. So why is that not the Oh, because Superman can't stop all of that at once. Because that's the problem with this as the threat of the movie is it somehow has made a threat bigger than Superman. So Superman can never get directly involved in that war, which is also kind of a cop out on James Gun's part because he's
involved in the backhand, behind the scenes goings on. But because there's no way Superman could stick his finger in every barrel of every gun fast and upper catch every bullet. It doesn't matter. And that's why it's fought that way, because it makes no sense. It literally makes no sense. It's a complete contrivance. And it like furthers that this movie just in my mind, like the plot of this movie is just a mess. Is these like huge logical
holes that aren't even plot holes. It's just like a logical hole that makes no sense.
And I really liked it well, And that's been the complaint about Superman for the longest time. It's like, would he stop every war? Would he stop every murder? Like could he ever sleep? You know, if he's so concerned about human life and scorel life apparently, like would he go out of his way to do this all the time? And so with this idea of him stopping a war, and I like that appened off screen again kind of going back to the beginning with that three millennia, three
hundred years, et cetera, et cetera. Three minutes ago he was defeated by the Hammer of Borov or whatever this place is. That's interesting to see Superman defeated. That's really interesting, you know. And I'm glad it wasn't fucking Doomsday either, thank you.
But it was just Superman.
It was just Superman, who I think will become like a Bizarro or something. And I know that this character Ultraman exists in the comics, but I had no idea until again, my friend explained to me what was going on.
I don't know.
I didn't do any homework for this one, guys. I'm sorry. I just watched the movies. I didn't read all the comics, watch all the movie, you know, the animated films, all that kind of stuff. So I'm like, I don't know who this guy is. I don't know, you know, what the ins and outs and what have you of all of these references that are going on. I feel like
I'm kind of done with that too. And it's more like, Okay, I get the Marvel stuff just because it's what I grew up, and I did not grow up a DC, so I don't understand a lot of this stuff.
I was a DC kid until I was full on horror, so I have some grounding in this. But as far as any of the recent stuff like All Star Superman or you know, like some of the stuff that James
Gun has been drawing on, no idea. But at the same time, plenty of my friends who are still sort of in the trenches reading Superman and reading DC have assured me that like, oh yeah, he took this from here and this from that, and this from this and this from that, which is great because what that means to me is we've got somebody in charge who's an
actual fucking comic book fan. At the end of the day, whether or not the quality of it is good, you at least know somebody's got the someone's minding the store as far as the continuity with everything, even if they're not pushing it on us, which he didn't seem to do too heavy here.
Our friend Richard HadAM, who was the EP of Titans, which was DCEU, I think he had mentioned that, you know, some of the people in the writer's room for that show weren't fans of comic books, and I think to your point, Father Malone, like there needs to be a balance.
There needs to be people that do love the comic books and are like you know, like completely just involved in the lore and they can tell the a front to back, but then you do need other people to temper that with some kind of other expectations of things for the commonplace person to watch a show and engage with it, because you can't make a movie or a TV show like this and alienate large swaths of the audience. Frankly, they're making this movie the way that they made it
to try and not alienate the audience. That was the intent of this is to bring in as many people as possible and to treat the audience like they're not fucking idiots for ones. I mean again, we don't need an origin story for effectively. And this is the crazy part. The second most popular superhero because the first most popular superhero is spider Man. It ain't Superman. Spider Man is
the most popular superhero period. Superman's probably second, maybe third, I don't know, but Spider Man's the number one, which is why they didn't do Spider Man's origin story either. But that then leaves a problem of if you're not gonna do the origin story, what do you do? And to your point, Father Malone about All Star Superman, the tone of this movie is all star Superman like, maybe not identical, but I'm sure your friends who read it
a lot. The tone of this movie is very much in that ballpark, and it's very elevated, not futuristic, but kind of like in this weird like elevated futurism. But then the tone of Superman and Superman's a little weaker. He's more of a human, less of an alien, which again this movie is kind of part of it is showing that this is a not weaker Superman, but a less strong Superman, which is more interesting because again, like we've already all alluded to, what do you do with
the character that can do everything? Theoretically?
Yeah, that becomes a problem. That becomes your first season of Heroes where you've got the Skyler and the Peter Petrelli and they basically are invincible, and you have no way of ending that, just like what the hell we're going to do? And then we just have to kind of look the other way for the rest of the series. And it's like, Okay, that is a problem, having an ultra powered person who only has one weakness and you
have to find that excuse to get that weakness. Now, I did like how they had the kryptonite in this. I'm not sure if I really cared for the whole Martian baby, who I kept thinking was like a young brainiac from the look of him. And then what did they just hire a guy to sit in that cage with the baby and like wave his arm whenever he needed to.
Yeah, I kept thinking like, I can't wait. I would like to jump ahead in time and see that kid at like ten and the guy's still there, but like they're friends now, and across the cube they're waving to dad and Superman still like withered it on the ground, gasping, but like giving a thumbs up for Oh, the kids really really made an achievement there.
I'm homeschooling him now.
Thank you for that bottom moon. I thought the same thing. I was like, how fucking can ted It's saying like this is the most contrived way of keeping Superman hostage, so unbelievably contrived.
I like the whole idea of this prison, this private prison that he has in his pocket universe with all of the people that wronged him in some way, but I kind of wish that there had been more of it and more of who are these people? In these other boxes, just even just like quick one liner kind of things of like who these folks are? The whole thing of them grabbing that poor guy that gave Superman a fullaful and shooting him. I was like, what are
we doing here? Like when they face recognize this guy, I was like, is he like a fucking terrorist or something like? Why is he so important to this story? Only for him to come back and get shot in the head for a guess giving Superman solace And I'm like, you're gonna start there, why don't you start with a much bigger target.
I think he was hoping that Superman wouldn't give it up and that he would get to kill him and then everyone in the in the surrounding cubes would be reminded exactly how stirs Lex Luthor was. I think that man whoever was coming with him was going to die and he didn't want information then anyway, that was fucked up. This is the only time I've ever found Lex Luthor to be formidable and frightening. I've liked the other performances.
Wait, you mean him eating Jolly ranchers and flipping people in the head and going the bell cannot be unwrung ding ding ding ding ding. That wasn't doing it.
For you, That sadly did not, nor did fellow creep azoid Kevin Spacey sleezing it up through that fucking horrendous movie.
The good reaction it really is. Superman will never.
That stupid little Adam Rich looking kid, oh.
Him and his bald cap.
At least Nicholas Holt shaved his head like Rosenbaum before him. There are really only two excellent portrayals of Lex Luthor. That's Michael Rosenbaum and now Nicholas Holt. In opinion, everybody loves fucking Ian Hackman and that he was great for that time, but you know he's okay.
What about John Cryer as Lex Luthor?
He was okay?
What about John Cryer as Lex Luthor's nephew?
What about it the dude of Steele?
Yeah?
I think that was awesome.
The real question is why wasn't there a some sort of cameo or nod back to Richard What is it Richard Pryor in the fourth one? Oh?
Good?
Third one?
Yeah, third one? Gus Jesus Richard Pryor. Everybody can't find a good movie role to save his life.
We've gone down some bad paths with Superman just in those first four.
That's the thing, Like people my age really only know like about Snyder's stuff like those. I only watched the first two Superman movies. I didn't watch three and four, like I know they have a reputation, like I wasn't interested in.
Part three has one good scene, which is Christopher Eve separates himself between Clark Kent and a really grizzled and angry Superman and they duke it out in a fucking junkyard and it's awesome beginning to end. I'd watch it for that, but nothing YouTube I will.
But my point being like people my age, I mean, I know people that like Man of Steel an ironically whit Jules. I know it's whatever, it's your choice. You want to like dower and boring and bland and meaningless. Fine, but I'm so glad that somebody has said, like Superman can be a hopeful character again and not be just kind of depressing and sad, because look, I mean, Captain America is Superman, Superman's Captain America. That's like the kind
of analog to Marvel is. They're like they're all that is good and everything, like Chris Evans as Captain America. Like if you saw Chris Evans, if you were broken down on the side of the road, and Chris Evans drove by at his motorcycle and didn't stop and help you, you'd be surprised because he's fucking Captain America and that's like what he stands for and as that role that
he's taken on, Like that's kind of the expectation. Now, I'm like, I'm glad that James Gunn brought that back to the character of Superman.
I would expect Steve Rogers to stop for me. I'm not expecting Chris Evans to stop for anybody.
Yeah, I mean, you know what I mean. Like, I'm not talking about the actual Chris Evans, but the concept of the character he's betraying. Fair.
I will say this, I'm skeptical of every new actor that they cast as Superman, and it takes a lot to convince me if they're any good at all. And very early into this movie, I bought this guy hook line in the Sinker. In fact, this is what actually made me hopeful for it is that growing up, when I was five years old, we were given the gift of the perfect Superman in Christopher Reeve. It's just like he was grown in a lab, like they said, make
a Superman and here he was. So Seeing this guy and how charming and thoughtful he is in this part made me really happy for kids coming into this character through this bit of entertainment.
And his interviews that he did for the movie where he talks about actually being excited to portray Superman and he's not bummed that might be the only he ever has and that might be the role he's known for. Like again, I go back to Daniel Craig with the whole James Bond thing, Like Daniel Craig literally said I would slit my own wrists if they asked me to play James Bond again. And he said that before the last.
Who gives a shit what the actor has to say? I'm talking about kids fucking interacting with the character of Superman here.
But that's my point. He is already a good arbiter for that because the way he approaches the role is I am excited to portray a role that will cause me to be hounded by kids.
Do you think Daniel Craig's performance was lacking in the James Bond movies. For having said that, do you think he put in less of a performance?
And the last movie, I would say there are moments where he seems disengaged and disinterested. But the last movie, the one that came after the statement no Time to Die, that would be the only time I would say I have other issues with those other James Bond movies. That last movie. Yes, there are moments in that movie where he seems disengaged and disinterested. And maybe that's not his fault,
maybe that's the movie's fault. But I'm only viewing it through the lens of a person who recently just rewatched that movie even and I felt that through multiple scenes in that movie that he's not engaged. But again, that's five movies in, and he made his intentions clear to the people he was making the movie with, I don't want to do this again, and they were like, well, we want you to do it again, so here you go. So yes, but not as much as you might have thought given what my answer was.
I agree with tired. I don't think he was disengaged. I think that's actually to you.
I agree with you about Christopher Reeven. I've just amazed that we almost got Rich Hall instead.
If he had just fucking practiced before that.
Oh no, no, he got the bullet. He had a dial soap call back here.
Oh that's right, it was Kroger who took the bullet in the face. That's good.
That's so good, me too.
It's one of the best of that era.
I don't think Henry Cavill was a bad Superman. I just don't think those were good movies. I mean, again, my feelings on him being dour and all that aside, Like Denry Cavill was a great Superman. But again, those
movies didn't help this movie. I think helps give the character of Superman more for a certain like you said, blah blah blah, a certain age of audience to engage with the character in a positive way that will make kids re engage with Superman the way that they really haven't been again, like Marvel's stuff has really been how kids have engaged with superheroes for the longest time.
If they were able to cast twenty five year old Henry Cavell in this role in this movie, he too would have given me the same fucking feeling. It's just that he drew the fucking short straw Man. He ended up in the wrong universe.
Same thing with Brandon routh Man. I will defend Brandon routh to the day I die. I think he could have been a great Superman, but he was in a shit movie today.
I think, really the only shitty Superman. This is nothing political. It's been Dean Kane, like he just seemed like a blunkhead. Are there others that weren't great?
I mean yeah, I started watching that Superman TV show that they had a few months ago and and just really didn't get into it. Also, for whatever reason, my wife isn't into the character of Superman, and I think it really comes from this whole thing of he's too
perfect and he only has the one weakness. He's people describe him as an overgrown boy scout and I can kind of see that, and she likes more of a flawed hero, I think, And for me, I'm like, Okay, I like this guy, and I like his struggles that he has even though he is so perfect.
And Tom Welling is good in Smallville, but that's Clark Kent. I mean again, you want to talk about it being Superman, fine, I mean it is Superman, but it's.
We never saw Tom Welling Superman, honestly.
No.
Well, I mean you see the thing with John Cryer way later, but again then he's like, I've given my powers up and it's like, well, okay, fuck us.
Then, so that shit didn't count. Rosenbaum wasn't there, so that fucking whole special did not count.
That's true. And to your point, if Michael Rosenbaum gets mentioned in the conversation for Lex Luthor, which obviously he does because he's amazing, then I think Tom Welling gets mentioned for playing Klark Clark Ken, but I think for Superman, yeah, I think probably the least. I don't know that. Yeah, Dean Kain's not great.
I remember watching some of that show just because Terry Hatcher was in it, and wasn't Mark Hamblin there as well?
He was. You know, I actually had a friend who was cast on that show, Lucy Lane, so I got to go to some of the sort of early meetings for Lois and Clark, and even then you could tell Dean Kane was a fucking maron.
But he was a great host of Ripley's believe it or not. And man, that's all you have just read off the teleprompter.
Dean just look at him and go, no, I don't believe it.
No, believe there. He's like the anti Jonathan Frakes. I am so hopeful for whatever comes next. And I don't think that any one of us would characterize our feelings as hopeful after Batman versus Superman Steel for that matter.
After Man of Steel. No, not for a long long time. Nomadically have I been hopeful for the DC.
Yeah, it's the DC broadly, even not just Superman.
No man, that's what this is actually exciting now. And you know, look, I think there were problems with this script. Nevertheless, it was a completed script. And I know James Gunn has been banging the fucking drum that we're not making a movie until the movie's ready to go. We're not gonna start a fucking movie and go, we'll fucking write it on the way. Thank you for doing that, sir.
No matter where we go from now, and the slate of ones that they've been green lighting have been unusual, to say the leadst So we're getting a clay Face movie long before we're getting a Batman movie. That's interesting.
He's going to face rated our body horror movie. Mind you clarify that, because that's the fucking crazy part.
Hey, man, right on, and you know what we're getting Karazorel. She's getting her own fucking movie. Obviously, it's her dog. So if you love that dog, go watch that one. You're gonna get a whole lot of that dog. And partnered up with Lobo. I love that. Someone, some filmmaker here at the DCU figured out that it is Superman is automatically a cosmic book. It's automatically a cosmic title. You can throw any alien at him. He is an alien himself. So yeah, let's get Lobo in here already.
Let's you know, let's do it up.
I don't know if Jason Momoa is poorly cast.
He is not poorly cast.
No, no, not for Lobo. I'm talking about for Aquaman previously, because this is a Chris Evans situation. Once again, having seen it again, you might laugh. Jason Momoa in the Minecraft movie was He was really good in the Minecraft movie, and the same way Dwayne Johnson was really good in Jumanji, where he was having to play like a very specific kind of character to react to a bunch of other characters. He was very funny in a way I hadn't seen before with Jason Momoa, because for the most part, I
find Jason momoas what he brings to Aquaman. It's just fine. He's a surfer bro, we get it. I'm excited to see where they take that character with Ay engage Jason Momoa in that direction, leaning into who I think Jason Momoa probably is in real life, because apparently Jason Momoa just texted James Gunn like immediately once it was announced that James Gunn was taking over the DCU, and he was like, I'm playing Lobo like essentially more or less
was the interaction. So I can't wait for that personally at this point.
I'm here for it. I'm here for what gun brings to this party. I'm excited to see what else he's going to be doing, and I'm glad that we're getting some of these unusual things. I mean, the whole thing going all the way back to Guardians of the Galaxy. So many of these characters, i mean, just look at the Galaxy themselves weren't known to a lot of people, and he just kind of had free reign when it came to this new toy box that he had. It
was fantastic. Now, the second and third movies maybe not my favorite, but that first one I thought was great. And I hope this is not a case of diminishing returns as we go forward with the rest of these DCU movies. But I'm still excited right now. I want to see what else this guy does for us.
And I've seen people talking about the Supergirl cameo at the end of the movie and how it's kind of strange and tonally and consistent with the rest of the movie. Okay, then that movie doesn't have to be this movie, and she's clearly going to be a very different kind of character, which is fine. I really like Millie Alikock too from Game of Thrones, How's of the Dragon. She was fantastic, So if she's the one playing Supergirl, I'm all for it.
But I've seen people complaining it's like, you know, the thing that I'm most excited for is it seems that James Gunn is actually going to do what Marvel didn't do and let the movies be their own fucking things, which is fine because they don't all have to be Joss Whedon beat joke in front of a serious moment, because that's what all the Marvel movies have become now were like tonally, they're all Joss Whedon movies, and that should never have been the case because Marvel, like DC,
has a wide and diverse array of characters like Father Malone already alluded to Clayface and a woman who's a hawk and an alien who can read people's minds and all sorts of wild shit. They don't all need to
be tonally the same. And I'm glad that James Gunn is seemingly allowing the filmmakers who are getting involved in the project that he is working on to have their own voice, which Marvel took like twenty plus movies to do, because yes, they cast Kenneth Bronna as the director of the original Thor, but I say cast is the director because Kenneth Broanna's talents were not being put to good use in early Marvel stuff because they were not letting
anybody do anything. And I understand why, But I'm glad that DC and James Gunn are being given a little bit more free reign to do their own thing, because I think that should yield a much more interesting set of films moving forward.
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