Special Report: RIP Stuart "Feedback" Andrews

Hey, folks, welcome to a very special episode of the Projection Booth. No easy way of saying this, but I recently learned of the passing recently of Stuart Feedback Andrews. He was our co host on the Adventures of Ford fairlay in episode, but more than that, he was a friend of mine. I don't remember how or where I met Stuart. Despite what some listeners may think, my memory, especially about myself, is rubbish. I'm sure I share a mutual friend who must have introduced us, as I have

So easy to talk with him.

Now that episode of Rumork Radio never came out. Yeah, I was really trying to promote the book. Thought an episode on Rumork Radio would really be a good shot in the arm. But yeah, it never happened, and me like a dope, I went back again to the studio on another trip to Toronto. For some reason, I keep thinking it's my trip in twenty seventeen when I went up there to see Morris Brestinsky and a couple other podcast friends. But I don't think it was. I think

In the show notes.

So while I was listening to the two parter that Stuart put out of Senophobia Radio called jungle Gate, and I also thought there was going to be more to it. I also was waiting for a third part. Anyway, while I was listening to it, I just got this bug to make it a little bit better than what Stuart had put out. Those breaks that I was talking about before, he would put in long, long breaks in there, just

You know.

The worst part is Stuart always had to be right about everything that he thought, and that everyone was entire to his opinion. I don't know where he fell off or even if he would identify as an anti vaxer. His Twitter feed, though, is filled with things like calling Anthony Fauci a modern Mangola, throwing around terms like Maderna Gate. He did like the Gate stuff when it came to Scandal's.

Right wing media and influencers had been blaming the scale of wildfire destruction in Los Angeles on diversity, equity and inclusion efforts.

Suffice to say, I just kind of had to cut him out of my life, but I doubt he really even noticed or cared. Frankly, the last time I heard from Stuart was December twenty twenty two, when he told me this quote. I live in Niagara, I work in medical cannabis and manage the building where I live twelve units. I also produced the movie Psycho Gorman, which requires constant attention. And I know I've threatened this before, but I am resurrecting my old podcast, going through some of this stuff

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This is Stuart Feedback Andrews and you're listening to Sinophobia Radio. I'm joined via Skype by ex horror journalist Dave Pace from the now retired genre media focus blog La Politique Psychotronique, and we're here with a special report on a developing situation in the horror world that will forever be known as Jungle Gates. So a couple of disclaimers before we begin. First of all, neither of us have seen the film The Green Inferno, so we're not talking about the film specifically.

Yeah.

Absolutely, I mean, you know, obviously we're not for banning this film. You know, obviously we're not getting behind that.

That's ridiculous, right, And any petition that's out there trying to ban the film, we don't support that either, not at all. So don't worry, folks. We're not social justice warriors, right, whatever that is.

I'm a local justice barbarian.

So first, before we go, I want to get your assessment of Eli Roth as a filmmaker. How do you rate him as a director.

I think he's a guy with a really great horror film in him. I just don't think he's made it yet, and he may not, right, but I think I think it's possible he's enough of an efficionado of the genre to be able to make something great. I think I think he understands and respects it enough to know how to make something great. It's just a question of I don't think he's actually done that yet. He hasn't made anything that has changed everything that came after.

And what do you think of the masterpiece? If only in his own mind that hostile was.

Ah, you know, hostile. It's funny because I like the premise of Hostile a lot in a way, like I like the idea that you have these you know, these guys, these like douchebag guys who are going to go and sort of exploit this, you know, Eastern European country for their own pleasures and you know, to kind of go there for some some illicit fun and then sort of get roped into even more illicit fun than they can they could even imagine being exploited themselves. I think there's

Right.

I was turning down another movie and I said, Quentin, you know, I don't know if it wasn't a mistake to turn down the studio film because I have this other idea that I really kind of want to do, and I told the idea for Hostile, and he's like, Eli, that is the best idea I've heard for horror movie.

You've got to do that.

The weird thing for me with him is that each one of the films that he's made so far I felt was better than the previous one. First of all, I hated Cavin Fever. I walked out of Hostile, largely because I'm a fairly temperamental film viewer and a couple of things will annoy me and that will be enough to just sort of ruin the whole film for me. It's a critical failing, but I recognize it. So I went back eventually and did give it its stay in court.

I had no idea the appetite was this big for a film like this. I had no idea that this many people would respond to my ideas and to my political commentary, to my disgust with you know, the Bush administration and shocking images coming back from Iraq and all these fears that I have that you know, everybody else was feeling.

It.

It was like it was in the climate and it became part.

Of the culture, and I thought, you know what, I really want to explore this further, and if I'm going to do it, I have to do it right now. I can't take any time off, and I thought, Okay, instead of writing Hostile Too, I want it to be part two.

There's Kill Bill Volume one and Kill Bill Volume two.

And I looked at Saw Too and Devil's Rejects, which I thought were really superb horror sequels that really took it to the next level, and I kept thinking about the next level and the next level of the Factory and the next level of depravity and human beings.

Following Hostle two, he did the Thanksgiving trailer for grind House, which is.

Fantastic, amazing, amazing, so good.

And then my favorite thing that he did was that Little Black and White Nation's Pride segment the film within a film in Inglorious Bastards, which Eli shot and directed.

Yeah, he really nailed the reconstall. I kind of look with that.

Yeah, interesting, nicely pieced together action sequence, and I thought that was one of his most technically accomplished bits, even though it's embedded within another film. And I thought Eli was actually quite good in the film.

Antonio, Margaret.

Cord It, Margaret Progressed, Margarii, Margheriti. Yeah, yeah, well, and I mean again, how complimentary too. I mean to have you know, Tarantino saying, hey, to direct the film. Within the film, I want you to do that. I mean, obviously he sees a lot of promise in the guy. You know, he sees somebody who has a lot of potential.

Or maybe he had a midlife crisis, man crush on him.

Who knows, who knows, Maybe he's got really nice feed Hi. Hi'm Eli Roth, and I'm Gwinn Garentina. Welcome to our MySpace artists on artist artist on. Wait a minute, yeah, the artist talking with artist artist.

There you go. So let's talk about our assessment of Eli the person. Now, neither of us know him personally, so we can only surmise what his behavior is like from the scant encounters we've had with him. I've actually, I don't know if I told you this, I've interviewed him a couple of times. That's not a personal encounter, as a phony, but you form impressions from that. And also I did see him introduce the screening of Inglorious Bastards, so that's my only direct experience with him, and they

They definitely do, and I'm sure lots of boys and men like him as well.

The bad is incredibly conceited, brutally self congratulatory, seemingly narcissistic. His ambition obviously outweighs his talents, and like many narcissists, he doesn't seem to take criticism well. His politics are hilariously all over the map, as we're going to talk about. And finally, he's a good looking man and girls seems to like him.

Yeah, fucking.

At all.

Fucking guy.

So about the arrogance of Eli, there's a few things that I think people started to notice when Hostile became a big smash hit. First of all, the endless, relentless Quentin Tarantin name dropping. Even in the interview I did with him, he was telling me how much Quentin thinks he's fantastic, loves his ideas, and just his propensity towards talking about himself. To that degree. Just really, especially if you're from Liverpool, you're not supposed to do that. That's

To have it all hit me at like thirty.

Then you come back to la and suddenly like everyone in town wants to meet you, and you're like the hot thing, You're the big.

Sale, and the festival. It's just like it was crazy. It was a fun fucking time.

You know.

There's a real fine line, I think, and I guess maybe it's not so fine, but there's definitely a line between that sort of obnoxious, you know, self congratulatory thing and just enjoying your own success and being enthusiastic about what you're doing and who you are, and that's you know, I'm I gotta be straight up. That's not an easy one to walk, you know, at any juncture, that's not an easy line to walk. So I don't know, I kind of give him a little bit of a pass there,

But okay, I'll go along with that. I think it is an acceptable sort of area, vague area, because the flip side of that is being too meek and full of self doubt and too humble. You're simply going to get eaten alive. But you do have to have a certain amount of arrogance and a certain amount of cocksuredness swell,

Essentially, Yeah, he's everywhere.

He's kind of like a poor man's Mark Him mode. He's got like the rockabilly look going, and he's sort of Canada's answer to Mark M Mode. Anyway, he was there introducing Eli. He gets up and he gives them

I mean, it's it's humiliating, Like you say already. You know, it's difficult to get up there and in front of an audience and sort of you know, houstless Q and have to walk that balancing act between making this person look good and also putting on you know, making sure that the audience is getting a good experience. Right, you kind of feel responsible for that, and for somebody to come and to kind of steamroll you in that fashion is I mean, that'd be awful. It'd be really humiliating,

You know, you people are the worst audience I've ever seen.

You're the worst comedian we've ever seen.

Oh great, well, just sit here silently for the next ninety minutes, fine with us.

So let's talk about Eli's inability to take criticism. I think over the years we've hid many examples of him responding to criticism in a very defensive, sometimes extremely angry way. There's one particular incident somebody sent me the text of this. I knew about it, but I'd never read his response in Fangoria. And I think what happened is people sent in letters about hostile and Eli responded, and they did

It's sad, isn't it. You know, like they just can't enjoy you know, they've got to focus in on that totally negative trait, you know, that one voice in the wilderness. You know, it's just like, man, just enjoy it.

He says. Letters like this one reflect a very disturbing trend happening in cinema today, political correctness. This person is clearly out of touch with how young people in America speak. If you go to any high school or college campus, kids use the word gay to describe something they think is stupid or idiotic. I am trying to write characters who are real and speak the way young American people actually talk to each other. Now, this next phrase, I

Let's get a two for insult there, right, So let's make sure they understand when somebody's acting like a pussy, like you know what acting like a pussy is like, right, I mean that's like, that's like acting like a woman.

Right.

But we're just calling them fags, so you know, I don't see what the big deal is. I mean, everybody knows that fag means pussy now, right, So I mean we're just we're just in something women, We're not something gay people who cares get over it.

Fuck you.

I don't know why you guys are waiting.

It's a fucking bagdassinder follow off, fucking fucked You need one of.

These two games, brups. Sorry, so I'll just read the last party. He says, if you want safe movies, that are politically correct. Why are you reading this magazine? Why not spend your time fighting politicians who try to outlaw homosexuality instead of filmmakers who are reflecting the world they see around them. However, Hostile clearly stayed something in this reader and sparked a discussion, which, for a filmmaker is all you can ask for. So again we have I

He doesn't want to have the discussion, right. It's like, I'm so glad that people are having discussion about this. I sure don't want to participate in any discussions about this though, and I'm really upset that people want to have this discussion. But it's good that they're having a discussion. I don't think it's very confusing. It's very like and I understand what he's saying about, like I'm reflecting the times and people say gay and bag and they don't

Louis c. K has a fantastic deconstruction of the word fag and where it comes from.

Yeah, does it bother you when he says the word faggot?

No, it bothers me when you say it because you mean it.

Yeah, it really is like as a comedian and a gay guy, you're the only gay comic I know. Do you think I shouldn't be using that word on stage?

I think you should use whatever words you want and when you use it on stage, I can see it's funny and I don't care.

But are you interested to know what it might mean to gay men?

Yeah?

I am interested.

Well, the word fagot really means a bundle of sticks used for kindling and a fire. Now, in the Middle Ages, when they used to burn people they thought were witches, they used to burn homosexuals too, and they used to burn the witches at a steak. But they thought the homosexuals were too low and disgusting to be given a stake to be burned on, so they used to just throw them in with the kindling, but the other fagots.

So that's how you get flaming faggot.

So what you're saying is gay people are a good alternative fuel source.

Should they get the term diesel dyke?

I'm sorry, go ahead.

You might want to know that every gay man in America has probably had that word shouted at them when they're being beaten up, sometimes many times, sometimes by a lot of people all at once. So when you say it, it kind of brings that all back up. But you know, by all means, use it get your laughs, but you know, I you know what it means. Okay, thanks fagging. We'll keep that in mind.

But I feel like if somebody's acting like a fag, I call them a retoug.

Yeah, what is it?

Right?

Oh you're pussy? Oh? That because that's better, right, you know, not because I want to deny anybody the right. If you want to say fag or gay or pussy or like whatever horrible word you want to use, that's on you. But that also means that people get to like make judgments about you because you use those terms. That also means that people get to like criticize you for using those terms, and people are going to get their feelings hurt.

In another interview, he says it's funny that people always assume that if there's a frat guy, it's based on me. But generally the one closest to me in hostile is the shy wan who's never done anything wrong, but it's forced into a horrible situation. So in his mind, he's not the bombastic frat boy that calls people fags because they're acting like pussies, even though that's what he said he does. He's the guy who's the shy, little quiet one.

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, if there's any like, he's clearly the shy, nice guy in that. I mean you see that really come out in him. He's clearly channeling something there, you know.

And he's been careful to cultivate that image, like his cameo in death Proof too, Yeah, where he.

Plays again another very shy, very reserved, nerdy person respector of women, you know, a respector of you know, all things academic and all things about being just a shy, nerdy art school guy. That's definitely when I think of that, I think Eui row.

I would imagine a lot of actresses would like to get to know you.

This would be a very good score for them to have an Eli Roth who's got his name above the title.

Right, That's that's correct.

So what do you do?

How are you playing this? So you have do you have one girlfriend?

Do you have many girlfriends?

Well?

You kind of you know, I go away to Prague and make the movies and Prague, you know, there's like usually I made a nice check girl, and I was actually pretty well behaved.

On Hostile one.

It was kind of a frat party.

We just went berserk.

It was like extras.

Oh no, it was like extras, like crazy just girls that we met at me.

Every night we were going out in Prague and getting phone numbers and going going insane and literally we'd be shooting on set with the extras getting phone numbers and it was nuts.

Nude casting.

No, it's literally like that was by the way. That became the very problem was I kept getting like I was up all night. I kept getting strep throat, and like we'd have a two day break and I'd go out with three girls in a weekend and I and then the movie like I literally I remember I was on set and I started falling asleep and they're like, Eli, what's the next setup? And I woke up and I was like, oh my god, this is actually affecting the film.

So I find him to be a slippery fish, you know, And I think what was seeing lately from him is his politics just tend to twist in the wind or blow in whatever direction the wind's going in the wake of hostile And I talked to Hannah Eurotica, the editor of Axe Wound, and I guess Eli was a big supporter of that fanzine, this feminist horror fanzine, and she talked about, you know, good for him and good for him. Well, she says things like Eli is really progressive feminist views,

Not entirely sure that sounds right.

He says, I didn't hate wrong tain. I hated the fact that they fucking called it seventies. I hated the fact that they said, look, how seventies we are, and then they got a girl with fake tits. Now that's not seventies, And they didn't even have her take her fucking clothes off. People fucking with their clothes on in an rated movie is nineteen ninety seven, not the seventies. When you got three fucking hillbillies. Ti likes the word fucking.

I don't know, this is weird, Like to me, this is one of those things that exposes some like weird, deep seated stuff with this guy. You know, like he's really mad about this and really like.

Like noted feminist, not in feminist Steli Rod, the guy with really progressive values, is really really mad that more women aren't getting naked, and that that's really you know, that's what's the point.

Why do you have Eliza Dushku unless you get her naked? What's the point of her as an actress except to be naked to show her tits off?

Right?

I mean, fuck, what a waste?

Why did you waste anybody's time coming out to see this movie when when that's what they want, that's what they're there for. You know, this is this is a very progressive feminist perspective from mister E. Lrott here.

I'm very impressed now.

I understand his frustration with these films that pretend to pay homage to earlier genres and they don't have the naive or the guts to go as far as these other genres did.

He's not wrong. He's just really hung up on on the like sexualized aspects of it all. He's really hung up unlike the I want my tits and I want this like he's I don't know, he's not. He's not wrong in the sense that there's definitely a lot of pretenders who are trying to capture that vibe and failing. But I don't think it's I don't think it's the lack of tits that's hurting him.

He redeems his feminist perspective with the concluding remark. He says, another thing that pisses me off is that when I go see a Stan Winston movie, I don't want to c CGI. I want fucking makeup. Don't tell me at seventies when you have fucking CGI, it's fucking insulting to me. And don't set up a movie with no fucking twists. I mean, come on, at least give me some twists or some tits or something. You guys gotta do better than that. I hate the fact that it was done

So again you're seeing what's important to noted feminist eliron right, like this is what's really important. But capturing that sementies feel it's tits?

What about the CGI and Green and Finno. I haven't seen the movie, but this is one of the big complaints people had with it. It's full of CG apparently.

Well, I mean, like, this is it right, here's this guy going back and forth. You know, Oh, he's really progressive. They pussied out. I want tits, you know, and all these these these sober sensitive SJWs. I can't believe there's CGI in these movies. What a bunch of fucking bullshit, you know, Like it's it's these bizarre positions he's holding right.

Like are they tits in the Green and Fair O? Because if there aren't, I'm not going so I.

Will walk out.

I will be so fucking fucking fucking fucking pissed if there's no fucking tits in the fucking movie.

I want green tits.

I want CGI tits for fuck's sakes.

Yeah, I want real prosthetic tits. I want like the total recall triple tits.

I got to read the concluding remark because it's just too good, he says. And that's the difference between Dushkup and Katie Holmes. Katie Holmes gave us the boobs. You know what, if this isn't real like, if this isn't a real quote, somebody sent me this and it was a link, and I'm accepting at a face value that it really is an Eli quote. Maybe it's a parody

These are the.

Fucking TV actresses that won't do nudity and sex scenes. I'll watch them on TV for free. So there, I'm not paying for it.

If you're an actress in Hollywood, Eli Roth wants you to know that it's your tits that he will pay for. And if you're not willing to go there, you can fuck off back to TV.

I'm surprised he doesn't have like a rant on Facebook on hit like if you want to put an end to these actresses who won't show their tits, but that would be slack divism, so we wouldn't do that because he's against slacked.

But he's not one of these frat boys.

No, No, he's a sensitive He's a shy sensitive type. It comes across this has to be a joke. This has to be a joke.

Yeah, can we sorry, can we get the correction?

Can we get somebody there?

Like?

It has to be a joke, you know. And I'm sorry that I took at a face value because it's obviously a joke. But let's move on talking about his flip flopping. Do you remember And this was one of the occasions that he was on Rumor Radio and it was quite opportunistic because they were interviewing him for the magazine.

And this is the way the wind was blowing.

Yeah, it was the way the wind was blowing. For sure.

You're like, good to have you, great to be here, Neil, What do you think's going on? You would think that in the environment we have the fear of terror and everything else. The last thing we'd wanted to be in theaters is terrorized.

Yep, we are.

Well.

The truth of the matter is in times of terror, people want to People want to be terrified, but in a safe environment. Because with all the things that are going on in the world, certainly with the war in the Rack and the horrible, horrible aftermath of Hurricane Katrino, where our government did nothing to help anybody, you want to scream, and there really is no place in society where you can go and just scream at the top of your lungs and get it out of your system.

But with some of the horror movies though, is it just the fact that editing's changed, or the fact we've always liked horror movies. They've always done very well.

Right, Yeah, horror movies, I mean it goes in cycles. You know, in the seventies with Vietnam, all of a sudden you had movies like Last House on the Left and The Texas Chainsaw Masker and Don and the Dead. And then if you notice, you know, kind of in the Clinton administration, when things were calm, there weren't that many horror movies. But now, you know, thanks to George Bush and Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, there's a whole new wave of horror movies that are back.

So I see him almost as a horrizeic.

All right.

Put him in a room full of feminists. He starts talking about the male gaze. Stick him in a room full of frat boys. He's demanding Elijah Douschcou's tits. Stick him in a room full of dentists. He's talking about killing lions.

He's a social chameleon. He blends in wherever he goes.

Stick him in a room full of indigenous activists. I imagine he'll start railing against the oil companies.

Oh, this damn oil company.

He wouldn't go that far.

No, he doesn't take that kind of SJW. Crap, does he.

So this brings us now to the Green Inferno, which premiered at the Toronto Film Festival in twenty thirteen. Now, after Hostele Too, Eli's directing career sort of took a backseat to his acting career and his producing career, and he's been very prolific and very busy and involved in all sorts of stuff. The Last Exorcism, after Shock, Hemlock Grove, and of course what was the kung fu one from the Wu Tang Klang guy, the Man with the Iron Fists.

Man with the Golden Golden fists.

Something like that. He went off to China and he did a massive production over in China. So he's been very busy. Even though he hasn't been directed in movies lately, he's been very busy in the film business. Absolutely, nobody will ever accuse him of not being a hard working filmmaker, not at all. Of course. The Green infer and O is a reference to the film within a film in

Today, we are already on the threshold of conquering our galaxy, and in a not too distant tomorrow, we'll be considering the conquest of the universe. And yet Man seems to ignore the fact that on this very planet there are still people living in the Stone Age and practicing cannibalism, primitive tribes, isolated, ruthless and hostile environment where the prevailing

And of course Eli is an outspoken advocate of this dubious subgenre. I'm not particularly a fan of it, although I do find Cannibal Holocaust an incredibly fascinating film that I've watched many times and I think it does something incredibly unique. But he loves the genre, so he's decided

Phony drug wars, all that kind of stuff, right like, it all ties in there.

One of the biggest challenges of resurrecting the cannibal subgenre are the cannibals because basically that plays into this time on a tradition of demonizing a local population to drum up support for imperial colonial conquest, right, which is obviously affecting that region. So there's ways to do it. And I'm not opposed to the idea of having a cannibal movie, but there's ways to address it. And I'm not sure

And those people are very real, and they're very legitimitimasure legitimate problems that the activist community could have with them.

Yeah, and they're right for satire, there's no question about it, no doubt. But let's face it, a group of kids who get on a plane and go to the Amazon to fight an oil company. That's not slacktivism. That's called activism. So I think I think Paul Eli in his political confusion, he's got activism, slacktivism confusion, or what I like to call on cracktivism. That's his particular perspective on the issue. Yeah, there's a.

Big difference between hashtaging something and actually getting on a plane, traveling to a foreign country and actually trying to do something, however misguided that thing may be. You at least can't call those people lazy, and you at least can't say that those people are just a bunch of hipster slackers who you know, can't be bothered to do anything in the real world. The fact that they're actually traveling out to the jungle kind of undermines that premise just a little bit.

Mind.

If a dummy asques what it is you hope to find in this blessed village, I told you. My thesis claims that cannibalism as an organized practice of human societ does not exist, and historically has never existed.

So much the better, dear, According to Gloria Man eat Man is bullshit.

Let's say it was an invention of racist colonialism, which had a vested interest in creating the myth of the ferocious, subhuman savage fit only for extermination. The mythical lie of cannibal ferox was only an alibi to justify the greed and cruelty of the conquistadores.

So at some point last year, Eli did an interview with a magazine and he was asked the question. One reviewer called the portrayal of the indigenous peoples in the Green and Ferno reactionary and dehumanizing. How do you respond

Yeah, And I mean that's the interesting thing here is that he seems sort of very confused about who exactly it is he's going after and who exactly is the problem, you know, is the problem in the Amazon slacktivists, Is the problem in the Amazon actual activists traveling there to to you know, take part in actual real world activism, or is the real problems in the Amazon probably things like oil companies, you know, corrupt governments, corrupt militaries, corrupt

I have a theory about this, and I feel like very much how Griffith.

D W.

Griffith made intolerance as a spiteful reaction against what he perceived to be the intolerance of the racism of bath of a nation. I realized it's preposterous to talk about Eli Roth in comparison to T. W. Griff who was a visionary filmmaker, but politically in terms of their political cluelessness. They're more closely aligned so very much. How Intolerance, which is a stupid but magnificent film, tackles Griffith's frustration with

People who have a problem with him making a cannibal movie. And that's a very important distinction to make. The battle that a lot of these people are having against selectivists and that sort of thing are a battle with imaginary people in their heads. They're fighting with shapes they see in the clouds because they're not real things, you know.

So he and all this stuff, I just immediately tuned out of The Green infa and O. And to be honest, just Eli Roth, I'm like, Okay, enough is enough. You know, I hate to be dismissive of someone. Like I said, I do recognize that he's a hard guy. And even making The Green Infano, I mean, the guy goes into the Amazon, they almost died. Apparently at one point, they're

Exactly, It's awesome, Like on that level, it's so awesome and so interesting, and I imagine there's a million amazing stories about the production of this film and just the kind of hardships that the crew and the actors went through, and like I have no doubt that a herculean effort was expended to make this movie, and I definitely have a lot of respect for that.

But in terms of my own sort of interest in I guess what I'm attracted to in horror films and why I'm fundamentally interested in the genre still as an adult is because I really, especially in the nineties, I really started to connect to the subverse of progressive elements of the films, you know, like a movie like Dawn of the Dead, Romero's Dawn of the Dead. It is so important to me. But what I'm seeing in this

Hell.

I don't know what happened, but I think what happened was the company that was going to distribute it went under, and it took a while for him to kind of attach it to another place, and he'd already been doing press. It was supposed to come out in September twenty fourteen, a full year after it was at the film Festival.

Yeah, so this was fascinating actually, And as soon as I saw this poster, I was actually pretty pretty blown away by how sort of blatantly he's chasing this certain audience. So what you see on the posters big letters justice will be served, you know, big red letters. And then you see this, you know, severed hand, you know, clutching an iPhone. And I'm sure they were very intentional about

Well, there's a couple of things that strike me as odd. First of all, so while we can I guess all empathize to some degree with the frustration of I hate the term social justice worry, but the type of person that's just going to get like, really intensely offended by stuff, you know, and call for boycotts of things. And they exist, obviously, while we can get irritated by that. The problem I think with Eli's marketing, and at this point when I first saw the poster, I actually assumed it was just

Yeah.

Absolutely, like the Black Lives Matter movement, which seems to be lampooned in that poster. This is a situation that happened in the wake of the Trayvon Martin killing, where George Zimmermann got away scoff free from just hunting down a black head and shooting them to death. The movement exploded in the wake of the Walter Scott shooting, where a policeman shot a black man eight times in the back. The video everyone's seen the video eight times in the

Yeah?

And is he willing to do that to the extent that he is willing to engage and inflame a group that has actually contributed quite a bit to attempting to shut all that sort of debate and decission down right

So in the wake of that Bath movie's death article, I went back to take another look, a closer look at a petition i'd caught wind of a couple of weeks earlier, but I never really paid any real attention to it because, like I said, I wasn't really interested in the movie. But a petition showed up on change dot Org entitled petitioning Eli Roth to cancel the launch of the dehumanizing film Green Inferno. The petition was started by somebody called boycott Green in fa and O from

There's time, but they're all over the petition, like the comments you can't you can't throw a rock and not hit some guy who's you know, making hateful comments or you know, trashing Native people or trashing sjw's. It's completely overrun with reactionaries at this point.

But taking a close look, I realized immediately that there's quite a few very suspicious things about this particular petition. First of all, it's signed off by Amazon Watch, which nobody seemed to be talking about. That this is a legitimate environmental movement. So all that I hate these social justice warriors, well, Amazon Watch aren't slacktivists. They're not just hashtag reactive wingin babies. They're actually people on the ground trying to make a difference, supposedly in the Amazon I

You know, he certainly would consider their seal of approval a very important thing to the legitimacy of the Green Inferno.

So, all of a sudden, we got a petition against the movie. Now, as anyone who has even a rudimentary understanding of the history of exploitation films, nothing helps promote a horror movie better than when a group comes out in opposition to it or calls for a boycott. It's a great publicity tool. So immediately I started to suspect, maybe this is a fabrication of the marketing department of

Yeah, it was definitely my assessment also, right like just sort of my shoot from the hip look at it was, Yeah, this is probably some kind of marketing you know, smoking mirrors from the you know, Eli Ross team. Certainly not unexpected and very much par for the exploitation course.

And of course this is bothering me because again he's equating who he thinks he's going after, slacktivists with actual activism. So if they're throw an Amazon Watch under the bus to draw up some phony marketing campaign and they're bringing out of the woodwork all these reactionary, spiteful, hateful comments

Yeah, and their page is full of campaigns that they are currently running, awareness campaigns, all that sort of thing. There's no mention of Green Inferno, no mention of Eliingroth, no mention of anything of that nature.

But maybe it was somebody associated with them who didn't have the full blessing of the organization signing off on their statements a theory. The third theory was that it was a hoax by the very sort of gamer gate community that you were talking about, because apparently these guys liked to wage Internet hoaxes, right.

Yeah, absolutely, that was a strong suspicion of mine as well, was the idea that they would cook up this. Hey, look at what the sjw's are doing to sort of drum up support and you know sort of you know, bang the gongs and get everybody up and out in arms about it, right, And this is this is a community of people. It's sort of known for pranks, known for uh, these sort of and I hate this term because that's such a weird conspiracy theorist thing, but these

It's funny you mentioned the Patriot Act issue because I guess in theory, these libertarian types would be opposed to the Patriot Act.

Yeah, yeah, it's very funny. The interesting thing about these guys is that they're in many ways indistinguishable from like the really hard right wing, you know, white supremacists, like that kind of attitude, except in some really key areas. And those key areas are things like personal privacy, things

It's funny because you're saying that the gamergases are inflexible and despise views contrary to their own.

But this is absolutely but this.

Is their essential complaint with the so called sjw's it is.

It absolutely is. And that's the bizarre perverse thing about it is that you know, they're very, very very angry about criticism of their games and criticism of gamer culture, but to the point where you're excluded, you know, like we don't even want to hear it, and they see it as just utter blasphemy, like no way, we will

And this brings another important point and a reflection I had looking at that poster and thinking about it. There's

Right, people who still think there's an argument about whether racism is okay or not, or people who still think there's an argument about whether our current climate of capitalism is a good idea or not, you.

Know, children exactly, essentially children. And I think it's really telling that Eli's focus in terms of the global issues of play here skews towards the children. His global view is based on how children are arguing about these ideas on the fucking Internet.

Yeah, it's pretty telling that the perspectives that Eli Roth is choosing to use his marketing campaign to elevate are not perhaps the more mature perspectives of you know, actual you know, non government organizations, you know, activists and indigenous people who are actually working on the ground in these situations, and instead is looking towards this sort of insulated, immature world of people who are really wrapped up in their

You know?

What do you mean? I can't call women pussies? What do you mean? You know, it's this outrage. It's like I used to be able to say whatever I want. I used to be able to do whatever I want, you know, I used to be able to get to make rape jokes and nobody cringed, you know, and people didn't judge me for it. And now all of a sudden, you know, I'm having to hear all these perspectives from minorities that I didn't really have to hear anymore, you know,

Why the answers are all right here in this sculpture. Take for instance, what this represents us. Here is the struggle of the races, men's inhumanity to man. It's true, all the shining hope of a new brotherhood.

See the girl has gone basship.

I'm all alone.

Well, I'm all alone in this house.

Isn't anybody else interested in our poland standards?

Our wild is come and crumbling down. The coons are coming. Cauchy twelve percent of.

The population is black, there should be a lot of black families living out here.

Yeah, this is only a beginning, but I think it's wonderful. Wonderful.

Huh, Well, let's see how wonderful it is when a watermelon Ryan's come flying on the way. So this is at the very core of what I think these groups are failing to recognize, is that there is a big difference between the kind of trials and tribute relations that these repressed groups face and why they feel they need to have a voice, and why now with the Internet they have one. Like when you made a cannibal movie in the eighties, who was going to complain about it? They didn't have a voice.

Now they do exactly.

And it's this failure to and again with the youth culture when we're talking about anyone under the age of twenty five, because apparently the human brain takes twenty five years to properly develop, you don't have all the mechanisms in place. You can't really think compassionately very easily, especially when you're a young male and you just filled with testosterone.

Yeah, I think your example is really really act with said vicious and the swastika, and they're just big like fuck you, you know everybody, right, I mean, that's what that was about. It wasn't an expression of national socialism. It was an expression of fuck anybody who tells me I can't do this right, And I mean that speaks to me as well, you know, like the sex pistols totally spoke to me, you know, and still do to

So you couldn't you couldn't come out and say you're a faggot.

And then when somebody was like, hey man, you know that hurt my feelings, well, first of all, even to me, that hurt your feelings, forget it. You're going to get ripped apart. But then if you if someone would apologize and say, oh, you know what, I'm really not a bigot. You know, I'm using that word because I'm just trying to be transgressive, and you know, this is this is all just a big show. You couldn't do that. That was strictly forbidden you know, that was not part of

Well, the funny thing about Eli and these gamergates is some of the links that you sent me to I went on there and they were saying things like, you know what, even though he's a Jew, I guess he's okay because he hates the SJWs. So I guess he's okay. I'll give him him a pass on that. So, and the other thing is another guy was saying, it's kind of creepy that a grown up is using the term sjw's,

Social justice warriors of the world, here's a little bit of advice from Alpha Maga said. If you're so offended by everything, how about this, go to a fucking island with all the other fucking social justice warriors on a little collectivists, all your motherfuckers that are just so easily offended and bothered by everything, and sit on that island and do nothing but torture one another because nobody wants to hear you, nobody wants to see nobody wants to deal with you, nobody.

Even wants to have you the fuck around, because you pollute the goddamn environment with your idiocy that is running rampant and never fucking ending.

So, getting back to the petition, given the fact that there was so many obviously weird, suspicious things potentially about it. I was really surprised, disheartened. Actually, in a way, I wasn't surprised, because I've grown to have absolutely no faith

Yeah, they don't seem to understand that like Amazon Watch is a legitimate non government organization, that it's not you know, a bunch of you know, it's not a bunch of you know, hipsters and skinny jeans, you know, tweeting about stuff on their iPhones. These are people doing legitimate work in a very legitimate field.

And the other thing that bothers me is first of all, not questioning its legitimacy. And it's obviously you know, even the fans in the comments are going, dude, it's obviously marketing hype. But they're not reaching out to Amazon for a statement to verify the legitimacy of the petition. Why not just make a phone call? Why not write an email? These guys are on the internet.

Yeah, and these are people who ostensibly want to call themselves journalists, and at every turn, well we'll try and you know, convince people that they should be taken seriously as writers and journalists. And yet they seem to just want to uncritically reprint whatever sort of put in front of them. And they're not showing any interest whatsoever into getting into this story behind the story. And actually, I don't know being a reporter.

Another thing that I saw in one instance after another after another. Now Bloody discussed and actually did go to the trouble of reprinting the content of the petition, but there's no commentary of substance about anything in the petition, the statement attributed to Amazon Watch. It was just all railing against the fact that somebody was calling for a boycott. So, because nobody has addressed the substance of that statement, I'm going to read it now so that we can think

Those noted SJW slacktivists. Amazon watch. And this really is where the incoherence starts to culminate, Right, It all starts to come to a head. The entire nonsensical Native sure of this marketing campaign, right is are they really going after a group like this who is making a very real difference or are they going after hipsters?

Right?

I mean, this is this is what it comes down to. They're trying to make these people the equivalent of those fucking asshole hipsters that nobody can stand.

If Eli's behind this petition as a marketing store, we don't know. I mean, alls we know at this point is that nothing about this petition shows up anywhere on Amazon Watch, and none of the horror sites reporting on it have bothered to look into the source of it. Not just the horror sites, but bigger news organizations. Too.

Is I don't know, when you know Eli Roth became the entire entertainment industry? You know like that, I mean it's hyperboly right off the bat, but yeah, it's great.

Well, they mentioned all the comedians and stuff in context of that article, so they're just making a case that, you know, Hollywood's coming out to speak out against the SGWS, but interestingly Eli Roth is becoming their poster boy. So talk about that article, like, describe the article and who wrote the article and what your impressions of it were.

So right away, it's funny because as soon as this article sort of popped up on my radar, you know, I saw it was Breitbart, and I you know, so obviously it's like, oh boy, Breitbart, Okay, huge, you know, right wing site. You kind of know what you're about to get into. And then you click on it and you see the byline. And the byline is extremely important because one of the authors is Milo Janopolis. And I hope that I'm not you know, butchering his name too badly.

He goes on to say, seemingly determined to prove rothriights. A change dot org petition has called on the director to cancel the launch of the Green Infano on the grounds that it dehumanizes Indigenous people. But the petition looks like damage control to prevent dehumanizing undignified sjw's again another

Yeah, and Milo's involvement here. I mean, this was definitely another signal that hold on a minute, things are not all what they seem here. You know, like there's something hinky about this petition. There's something kinky about this whole story, because if Milo's involved, you just kind of know that

He does go on to make some interesting points that are worth discussing. He mentions a situation that happened on Twitter when a woman named Suie Park went on a rampage against Colbert because she believed Colbert was making racist jokes on Twitter, and what happened was as a satirical response to something the Washington Redskins said Colbert made a joke.

They hate that.

They don't want to have people just flying off the handle calling for censorship, calling for things to be shut down, and I don't support that either. I don't support the petition against the movie. I don't support canceling Colbert for making a very pointed satirical view, of course, But because I guess I'm over the age of twenty five of

Yeah, the progress has been like very recent, I think, and it's still it's still nowhere where it needs to be, right, I mean this, the popular perception is still you know, oh, you do karate and you know that kind of stuff, right, it's ridiculous, Right, Imagine living with that. Imagine growing up your whole life and it's it's chopsak, kung fu, chopsticks, meat, Chinese, you know, sideways vagina like like just imagine, you know, like that's your whole bloody life coming up.

Yeah, and you grow up with one depiction after another. Way, especially women, there's two stereotypes. There's the subcessive sex slave. There's also then the dragon lady, the exotic temptress, and also the fact that she may have even been called

Here's what happened to me last Wednesday. I saluted Washington Redskins owner Daniel Snyder for his new charity, the Washington Redskins Original Americans Foundation, which some have called an obvious attempt to win over Native Americans because it only uses the term Redskins once in its name. Anyway, I was so inspired by Nan Snyder's charitable outreach that I formed my own charity, the Ching Chong Ding Dong Foundation for Sensitivity to Orientals or whatever.

That was Wednesday.

Then around seven o'clock on Thursday, my network's promotional Twitter account at Colbert Rapport twitted the name of my foundation without providing a video link to the original segment or mentioning that I was inspired by the Redskins charity. I mean, who would have thought a means of communication limited to one hundred and forty characters would ever create misunderstanding?

Then after that, after that.

When the twit hit the fan, the brain trust over at my network took the tweet down, because that's how the Internet works. You can just take stuff down and no one will ever know what happened. Just ask Mari Wiener. Now, I'm not trying to throw anyone under the bus here, mostly because I don't go that close to public transportation.

Now.

Now, all of this was started by a hashtag activist or hashtivist who has been viciously attacked on Twitter. And if anyone is doing that for me, I want you to stop right now. She's just speaking her mind, and that's what Twitter's for, as well as ruining the ending of every show I haven't seen Yet now, to recap, a web editor i've never met posts a tweet in my name on an account I don't control, outrage is a hashtag activist and the news media gets seventy two hours of content.

The system worked.

And again though, this goes back to that point of the fact that this is a child responding to an issue without really thinking through and the people hating on her children. And you know, adults can have these discussions and examine these things, and Eli isn't in that vein of where the adults are talking about it. He's in the children's vein. So what does he do with this

But that's the most disturbing part of this, you know, is that by amplifying Milo's work in that way and validating Milo's work in that way, they're validating his readership. They're validating the people who are reading his stuff and getting worked into a frenzy and who are tweeting this all over the place, and who are going, yeah, fucking Sjw's,

So given the fact that the horror press failed yet again to respond effectively to any kind of cultural relevance of the horror genre, or do any real workers journalists, I did something what none of them seemingly did. I reached out to Amazon Watch to ask them about the petition. And I have to say it wasn't It wasn't exactly. I did a bit of work, you know, which is ironic being an ex horror journalist.

Yeah, I thought, I thought, you hung up the guns.

And I'll tell you it wasn't exactly easy. I had to sort of write numerous emails, make numerous phone calls, make numerous tweets before I got any kind of response at all. The first thing I got was a statement on Twitter, and they said Amazon Watch is not affiliated with this petition. We have not formally released any statement about the film. Now, of course that's on Twitter. Something

Whatever.

Somewhere somebody affiliated with Amazon Watch either made the petition and the group didn't want to have anything to do with it, or Eli has taken a statement they made to him and fed it to the marketing people and they've ran with the petition. Yeah.

Yeah, we were thinking at one point that it was like like Amazon Watched like contacted my Roth or the production office privately and said, you know, hey, here's our here's how we feel about your movie. Or they sent him a letter, you know, outlining their concerns about the film, and that that's where they got this this verbiage from them, you know, and and so it kind of thickened the plot, right, it's like, oh my goodness, this is you know, sort of taking another turn.

Also, there was an update on the petition that was sort of modified a couple of times. Initially, it said, to clear up any confusion, this quotation and petition is not an official statement by Amazon Watch. This petition is created by individual activists to bring the social awareness of this film. Now, after I reached out to Amazon Watching, they made that statement. That update was modified slightly to include the phrase. Although this quote does come from their

Yeah, it's overly concerned actual Indigenous people who are actually concerned about how they're going to be portrayed in the actual media. It's quite fascinating really.

That article was written by a journalist named Johnny J. So I reached out again doing something more none of the work, none of the Horror press even thought to do, and said, hey, can you give me some insight onto that petition? Do you know about it? Are you involved in it? What's the story? And I got an email back she said, and it's a woman. She said. It could very well be a marketing ploy, as no one from the petition emailed or reached out to me, which

It's unbelievable.

So we both thought that that was just a riff on Black Lives Matter, but their real hashtags being used by Indigenous people to discuss real life shit. Murde it, genocide, force relocation, little more severe than people fucking with your video games. You know what I mean.

You don't like these TV shows, you don't like these movies, you don't like these video games, you don't like these comics.

You don't like this music, you'll like any of the stuff. Don't just leave, just go away. Were listening to it, quit reading it, quit playing it. Just put the shit down and shut the fuck up.

Right right here and here he is putting their hashtags up and basically encouraging the kind of people who are the type to go on those hashtags and post a bunch of absolute shit because that's their mo That what these people do. It's absolutely stunning that here we are having a marketing campaign that is openly, openly putting out there these hashtags for people to subvert and abuse. It's amazing.

And at this point I'm thinking, Okay, Eli doesn't know these are real indigenous hashtags, because now he's not just lampooning slacktivists. It's gone waste than confusing slacktivists with activists. Now he's going right to the very people themselves who are affected by these issues.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's it cuts down another level deeper where now it's not just activists. Now it's just indigenous people with twitters, you know, who want to talk about their issues that he's going to go after. Now, you know, those are the people. We really need to, you know, hold their feet to the fire and make sure they're hell to account for all their crimes against society, let me tell you.

And the astonishing thing is in all of this, Eli isn't trying to get us to empathize with the genocide, the mid of the missing children, the rape, the false relocation, the exploitation of indigenous lens. He wants us to feel sorry for the fucking video game is you didn't get to see Elijah Douscu's tits in Wrong Tin. That's his big social cause that he wants people to hit like on his Facebook page over the slacktivists.

Free speech for tits, pre speech for tits, pre speech for tit.

So we're here with Eli Roth, director of Green Inferno, which I'm director of producer of Green Inferno, christ and co writer and co writer.

I'm very excited to see this.

I'm curious with all the experience you have in this genre, why did this particular strange you know, Forest World Remote, Why did that.

Speak to you to write a movie that it was about modern activism where I see a lot of people want to care and they want to help, But in general, I feel like people don't really want to inconvenience their own lives. And I saw a lot of people just reacting to things on social media.

You see this.

Social justice warriors like this is wrong, this is wrong, this is wrong, and they're just tweeting and retweeting.

They're not actually doing anything.

Or you see people that get involved in a cause that they don't really know a lot about and they go crazy about it. So I wanted to make a movie about kids like that. I think there's a lot of great things obviously about activism. People commit their lives to it. But I wanted to make a story about kids that don't really know what they're getting into, get

So green Inferno is your reaction to the sjaw's of Twitter.

Yeah, my green Inferno. I actually wrote it, and when I finished the draft, Cony twenty twelve happened.

I was like, this is it?

Like everyone is going what's wrong with you?

They're drinking with their mugs going like you don't you care about child out soldiers and kids being raped?

Like how can you not tweet this video?

This?

Everyone got so self righteous and try like publicly shaming, and it was something that they hadn't heard of twenty four hours ago.

So I think it's a double edged sword, you know.

I think there are ways to get involved and ways to be helpful, but the SJW culture has gotten so out of control that you feel like everyone are they doing it because they believe in it or they just want to look like good people?

You know?

Are people retweeting things because they think it's important or because they want everybody to think that they're a caring person. So and I'm not, you know, making a judgment about these people either way. I'm just making a comment on it.

So I want to they do get eaten by cannibal They get eaten by cannibals?

Yeah, exactly.

But finally on Wednesday, after waiting a couple of days after they promised to get back to me, they did promise to get back to me on the Wednesday, but that was on Monday, so I had to wait for two days while they put together a statement. Again, making me realize there was a lot more behind the scenes than I realized. I finally get an email of Amazon Watch, and this is where the incredible confluence of chonosity that is jungle Gate becomes really apparent.

I mean, before we go too much further, would you have expected this, like at the outset, was this even a possibility that you considered?

Well, it was it was that this email. I'll read the email because it was really what we discovered after reading the email. That's what kind of blew our minds, right, But we're definitely getting closer to the heart of jungle Gate, the horror, The horror, Hi Stewart correct. Amazon Watch has not formally released a statement about this film. We are in the process of consulting with all our indigenous partners. Once we have completed meeting with them and collecting their statements,

Exactly, man, exactly.

But hang on a second. If the sjw's are the indigenous people, then who are the cannibals? Are the cannibals the sjw's.

Are they eating themselves?

Eli's point is much more clever than we have a thought.

So metaphysical. It's so metaphysical, very impressed.

It's a theme within a theme within a theme.

It's like inception.

It's conceptual. It's like Shia Lahbouf. It's brilliant. It's like, get the social get the anti social justice warriors to turn them into slacktivists on your Facebook page. It's fucking genius. It's conceptual arts.

And then we'll have the cannibals eat themselves. And because they're really the sjw's, because they don't want to be perceived badly. It's amazing. It's like it's like a snake eating its own tail. Just over and over and over again. It's beautiful.

So we go over to Instagram. We dig up at Amma Indian fourteen ninety one, who seems to be a hugely popular native person there with a massive following on Instagram, and he wrote this statement. He said, asshole of the Week is writer and director of this racist stereotype of the uncivilized savage Indian movie by Eli Roth. Summary bunch of why people are heading to the Amazon in their private jet to play white Savior when all of a sudden, the plane goes crashing down in the middle of the

We have to civilize them, We have to make them civilized people.

Thousands of people go to the Amazon every year to meet these beautiful people, are people that still live with nature as one. They go there to get away from the so called civilized will, to get peace and clarity. Yet they are always discriminated against, dehumanized, and this movie won't help any of that. Thanks for being a douce, Eli Roth and any like hashtags like a million Native groups who are reading this stuff and responding to this stuff.

Yeah, yeah, and again keep in mind real you know Native movements, right like real indigenous people, real involved Native activists, you know, not your your you know, tight gene wearing hipster slacktivist.

And incredibly who shows up to put his foot in his mouth in classic Eli Roth fashion. No, no, then Eli himself.

Can't take criticism, not even on Instagram, not even from you know. And let's face it, I mean, we said this guy's a lot of followers, and he does, but really, let's face it, it's a relatively obscure indigenous group. You know, it's a relatively obscure indigenous activist, and here's Eli Roth, unable to take any sort of criticism whatsoever. He's got to jump in there just so you're away.

We've shown the movie to Amazon Watch and they loved that. It's completely on the side of the villagers and points out everything you're saying. We're going to work with them through the entire promotion of the film to help moviegoers direct their energy and resources to the groups who are waking to protect uncontacted tribes from oil companies. My film

Yeah, which is like, that's a decent statement.

Sadly none of it's true. A. As we know, Amazon Watch didn't see the movie, they don't support it. They fucking hate the movie. And two go on, what Eli's he's not driving attention to these issues. He's retweeting angry twenty year old video gamers who want to see tits.

You don't like these TV shows, you don't like these movies, you don't like these video games. You don't like these comics, you don't like this music, you don't like any of the stuff, then just leave, just go away. Quire listening to it, quit reading it, quit playing it. Just put the shit down and shut the fuck up.

But here's the important thing to keep in mind. Do this confrontation on Instagram happened about a month ago. It happened before the current SJW movie poster and this current

Of well, I'll jump ahead, because there is a great back and forth between the two of them, but I don't want to read the whole thing, but they go back and forth. They're talking about you know, he's putting his view basically, amplifying and elaborating on the whole problem and Eli Roth's jumping in and I think what really one over Ammerindian is when Eli Roth name dropped Amazon Watch and said, listen, you haven't seen the film. They've seen the film, they loved the film.

Yeah, they support it.

And he's like, okay, well wait a minute. Maybe And this is before the marketing too, like the post and everything. So at this point Amerindian's given him the benefit of the dout gone Okay, maybe there's something going on. There's a more to your film that meets the eye. But he does take issue with this whole the depiction of Indigenous people as ruthless savages.

The hell is that? No, I swear that was like a richeralistic punishment for a tough That's what it is.

Just sit back and enjoy the show because afterwards he's going to take us to the village. That punishment is considered a divine commandment. If she had not killed her, the tribe would have killed him.

So who shows up to the party? Amazon watched themselves via their Instagram account.

I love this.

This is just so amazing.

This is the beauty of the internet now right, like, this is the beauty of the Internet.

As a privileged white male gringo, you are doing exactly what you claim to be warning of by depicting Indigenous people so offensively and inaccurately in this film. If you portrayed black people this way, would you consider that less offensive? Or how about Jewish people? The indigenous communities are NGO partners with in the Amazon would be offended and embarrassed if they saw how grossly inaccurate you've depicted their heritage.

Listen to those sjw's and.

Then they go on to say that very quote that was then taken out of the context of this Instagram conversation and used as the main mission statement for that change dot org petition.

We finally see where this Amazon watch statement originated from, and we see why they were reluctant to say it was a formal statement, right. That's why they were cagey about their language about it, because they knew they'd said it. It just they didn't say it in any sort of official capacity. It was an Instagram comment.

And they had nothing to do with the petition. So what happened was either what looks to have happened is like a supporter of Amerindian Yes Society menace just following the conversation, because all sorts of people are chiming any this isn't just between Eli Amazon and Amerindians. Yeah, people commented, basically, poor Eli's being eaten alive by the savage cannibals that are the Indigenous people who take issue with this film.

Yeah, it's pretty amazing, Like it's that whole thread is basically just an Indigenous people taken around out of Eli Roth and calling him a puto, and like it's pretty amazing, amazing to watch.

And the irony is he thinks he's making a film that's a satire about people jumping into political issues they don't understand. And yet clearly Eli Roth has jumped into a political issue he has no understanding of. So I only have one thing to say to Eli. Physician, heal thyself.

Let's play doctor.

It's easy. I'll be the doctor and you be the patient, and you pretend like you're sick and I'll examine you.

Okay.

Yeah, it's pretty amazing. And what I love too is that how he comes back out and says, oh, we're well, don't worry, we're announcing a partnership with an Amazon rights group, not Amazon watched some other Amazon.

Rights Well, I'll read the statement immediately after then Amazon Watch said our organization does not support this film, but there's a gross offense to our Indigenous partners. And Eli Roth comes back and says, we are soon announcing a partnership with an Amazon rights group, but it is not Amazon Watch. I apologize I was misinformed. I'm still waiting for that partnership. Have you had anything about this partnership?

Not a people.

We can all argue over social media, but the reality is, again it's just a way of dismissing them. We can all argue over social media. Well where else are you gonna have this fucking argument with indigenous people? Motherfucker. They weren't at the film festival. They don't work for the horror press, who are reprinting your bullshit without critically evaluating it. Where the fuck do you think you're gonna have this argument.

It's not like these people have talk shows, you know something.

Yeah, they don't have it. Well they do, but nobody watches those networks. There is an Aboriginal news network or well it's very.

True, but I mean he's not going out and trying to trying to court conversation in those arenas, you know, he's provoking them. Even when he says he's trying, he's not going to provoke them, he proceeds to then provoke them in the most asinine way possible.

It's amazing, absolutely so now we know that that poster there wasn't just cluelessness. It was a direct fuck you, not just to like the sgws who are gonna complain, but the very people themselves, the very indigenous people using these groups to discuss rape, murder, the absolute dehumanization of their culture, the things that when they see reflected in his film, these gross like media representations that further perpetuate this sort of lack of prominence in a culture and

Yeah.

Absolutely, I mean, if you want to imagine it. I mean, here is Roth up on his sort of podium, you know, ranting about you know, political correctness and all this other stuff. And the the four chan, eight chan, gamer Gate anti SJW crew are like the the guys in the jack boots, you know, kind of all lined up around the base of the podium waiting for the troublemakers to start up and they'll descend upon them.

You know.

That's how these guys operate in thunder.

Park.

Nor to Dan, so let me finish his statement. He goes on to say, so we can argue over social media, but the reality is the film will be in release and I Am going to use the release platform to raise awareness for all these issues. So hear this, Bright, but hear this gam Agate, hear this, Cybertroopers. He's not your poster boy. He's not making a film to go after the bloody social justice warriors. He's secretly doing it to go after the oil companies and all the He's

It is right.

He'll just sell his crap to anybody.

It's absolutely amazing that here he is saying, hey, listen, you know this movie supports this, and I want to use the message of this film to help elevate your voices, and then a scant month later start marketing to the very people who want to ensure these voices never get heard.

I mean, it's so, it's so so my bendingley fucked. I can't sorry, I got to finish his statement. It's hard to get through without just going like holy fuck. But let's try to get through his words. So he says, I don't expect everyone to support it, but right now everyone is judging from a trailer and a poster, which I understand. I'm not going to antagonize anyone. I'll just put hashtags on my poster as a big fuck you.

I mean it's really depressing. But the message of the movie seems to be whatever he needs the message of the movie to be in order to you know, sort of criticism, right. So you know, if it's natives coming at him, it's no, no, I support you guys. And if it's the free speech crowd coming at him saying, Hey, how come you're giving into those natives.

It's like, a, I don't want that.

I don't like those natives. I hate those slacktivists. You know, it's whatever he needs to be at.

The time he'll be president of the United States. You realize that, like, this is a guy who was like banging around film festivals a few years ago with Cavin Fever. I know people who hung out with him, and I heard a lot of stories about him through those networks. But he went very quickly from Cavin Fever to just a hop, Skip and a Jump, a big, massive blockbuster horror movie with Hostel and then a Hop, Skip and a Jumpanese on screen and a Quentin Tarantino film with

President, president of horror Nation.

Maybe, well, he was already president of Horrornation, self appointed right after Hostel went big, or he became the spokesperson for the genre.

Well, I'm a huge fan to be that.

I think to me that he's the director that horror films.

Have been waiting to come out, because it's like, you know, it's not about getting getting on the cover of or It's gonna be weekly.

It's about getting on the cover effect Gloria all right.

It's not about like, Okay, I'm gonna do a whore for a while, then I'm gonna ditch it and do other stuff.

It's not always about horror films. Sorry, let me do finish the statement. It's almost impossible to get through. It's so infuriating, you know, to even read it. It was driving me notes when I first read it. Let alone, try to read it for people just.

Keep sighing over and over again. You read a sentence and you just have to sigh and like then rant and get all the hate out of you and then like read the next one. It's awful.

So whatever you may think about me personally, it's fine. Just know that I am a could. I am as upset and horrified by what's going on and simply how he's upset horrified. Guys, he's a fucking esg W. Exactly do you realize that game again? What a bleaan heart liberal you've made into your post, boy, and he's Jewish. Just know that I am as.

Upset horrified by what's going on, and simply have a different way of getting the message out to a younger generation who may not be aware of the indigenous rights problems in the Amazon.

It's fucking unbelievable, man. This is jungle Gate. When he decided to do a hashtag jungle gate, what was he expecting people going to do with that? That's nothing jungle Gate does not. This is the jungle Gate, the phony petition, the bullshit, the conversation on Instagram with Native people, despite that informed your marketing after this happened, The big giant fuck you to the Native people that tore you the shreds in this fucking exchange. Horror films historically have always

He says he wants to have this productive discussion, and then less than a month later he's directly antagonizing those people.

Mocking them, ridiculing them. And like I said, I thought it was clueless. But it's so vindictive, Yeah, and amplifying real bigots, you know, it's so Yeah, it's crazy. So right off the bat, it's going to bring back the Cannibal movie. He knows people are going to kind of have a problem with the political incorrectness of it, so we'll demonize those people in the film. Then it gets kind of out of hand. Now native groups themselves are ripping him to pieces. So what is he going to do?

And again, where is the environmental education? Where where is this Like, Hey, I acknowledge you're facing these issues. Why is he not amplifying the voices of these natives. I mean, could he not, like, is it not possible for him to release this like very exploitive cannibal film that obviously, I mean, you can't make a cannibal film and not depict indigenous people in a poor light, right, But.

There's no reason, Well hang on a sec that, you know. I don't know a lot about cannibalism in North America and South American indigenous tribes. I do believe it existed, and there were two forms that I have read about. One is endo cannibalism, which is an interesting practice of eating the dead as a way of honoring the dead.

Right.

I imagine if we practice that in this culture, your grandmother that was like, oh my god, we got to eat and today, oh my god, you know, and then there'd be like people in your family, don't worry, I know, just the right like spices put on that made. But apparently in endo cannibalism, and this isn't just South American tribes. This has happened in different cultures over the globe. It's just a different conception of how to honor the dead.

Well, you know, I think in twenty fifteen, if you're setting out to make like an exploitation cannibal film, you're trying to do something that's homage to, you know, Cannibal Holocaust and these very extreme pieces of cinema. You know, you you probably have to balance that out a bit.

Well you're saying that, you're saying that, but actually, if you think back now, Cannibal Holocaust is looking infinitely more progressive than how Green and Right, The Monsters, the True Monsters, and Cannibal Holocaust Twitter is in a little you know, people like winging on Twitter like they are supposedly in Elis film. The true monsters is Western culture is absolutely Western imperialist domination of the region, you know what I mean. That's the hideous force that is dealt with. And there

This so called documentary footage is offensive, it is dishonest, and above all, it is inhuman.

Yes, yes, of course we all know what Alan was like.

You overdid it as usual, but what you saw.

Is a rough cut.

Perhaps I haven't made myself clear, but I I refuse to have anything to do with this material.

Look, professor, we are talking about the most sensational documentary to come along in years. But you want us just to shelve it, to forget about it as if it had never been found.

Is that what you want?

Yes, Yes, that is precisely what I want.

I've seen the rest of them, Maial.

You haven't. You haven't seen this stuff that even your editors.

Didn't have the stomach to put together, and if you had, you wouldn't hesitate.

But to agree with me.

So finally, if anybody has any thoughts on what we're talking about and would like to write in, please send an email to info at Cinophobia radio dot com. If we get enough interesting comments, perhaps we'll do a follow

The fact that basically a couple of like nobody ex hard journalists are the people who are picking up this thread as opposed to you know, the big, much larger media apparatus that people like Eli Roth are capable of commanding is pretty disappointing. And that's why it's also important to ask people to share this around and to create this dialogue, because we are trying to amplify these voices and we are trying to, you know, help this part of the message get out as well, because this isn't

I have to say that doing a little thing like reaching out to an organization, getting some information that nobody's bothered to look into, and then going down a couple of little weird rabbit holes and unearthing what we on earth, it's incredible conversation on Instagram that nobody knows about, nobody's discussing.

It's not difficult stuff. This is really really basic. Group makes claim, journalist fact checks claim.

Yeah, you know, journalism one on one. That's all we have to say about it, folks.

It's that simple.

And instead of just oh my god, Eli Roth says this, what we actually see is this wild, weird story, you know, that takes us all these weird, interesting places on the Internet and ends us up right here.

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On Jungle Gates Volume three. Obviously, anyone that's seen the Green Inferno, if you're divorce it from the marketing and divorce it from some of the ideas that we were alluding to in jungle Gate one and two, the film itself is barely worth a two hundred and fifty word review, let alone a series of podcasts dedicated to the subject.

Absolutely, it's really like having seen it and you know, being able to an now reflect on like what have we done?

What we do?

But but I mean, I think the listener will will find that there's obvious benefits to what we're talking about.

That you said the listener, meaning there's only one listener. By jungle Gate volume three, there really probably is one, you know, the listener.

You know the listeners as a body, you know, like, yes, in general, I mean.

I understand the point I'm just being playful with the summit, but I mean, you.

Know, that's that's what That's what we would hope anyway.

But here's the real point of continuing to examine the story. First of all, the marketing of the film actually did take some interesting twists and turns after Jungle Gate two, so it's relevant for those to come back and kind of finish the story. If had it just come out with no more real incidents, does not need to go back and examine the marketing because we really put it under the microscope sufficiently in one and two, but then it did these crazy other moves that we've never got

Yeah, I mean, we're going to deliver on the promise Eli made to everyone.

That's the other thing that I want to do with these episodes is kind of underscore how the horror press just kind of swallows this stuff up, doesn't analyze it,

Yeah, there's a real sort of orthodoxy to all this where you're not really encouraged. I mean, there's no real benefit to doing this right because the consequences of it might be, well, hey, I don't get you know, I

And I don't want to really get into the Spider Baby issue because not that it's been done to death, because again, none of these mainstream outlets ever really adequately analyze that situation. I mean, there were a few people that kind of stood on a high horse and said, hey, we were unscathed by that whole incident, so therefore we can speak critically of it, even though they've got their

They well, I mean, that was the natural next question.

For me.

It was It went immediately from did this happen? Which then, you know, I read the story and I saw the links myself, and I went, yes, it happened. And the immediate next question on my mind is what happened? How is it possible to have an editor who's supposed to be the gatekeeper of this stuff and for this to get through it? So, I mean, to me, this was just where the story was going next, and that's where my mind immediately went next. And I'm not sure that's

The gatekeepers were never taken to task. In fact, they were the first to sort of throw Spider Baby under the bus as if to kind of diffuse any attention to themselves.

I think they were quite keenly able to ask saying that that was where the attention was coming next. It was the next logical question, So what else could they do?

You know?

They had to make a bit of a preemptive strike the ones who bothered the comment at all anyway.

But this failure to sort of even catch the ascendancy of a person like Spider Baby, and the failure to really ask the tough questions in the wake of the revelations of all the plagiarism and etc. Is indicative, if exactly, the reason I feel it's important for us to do this show right now, because I see a correlation. I'm not comparing Eli directly with Spider Baby, because Eli hasn't transgress the same boundaries. He's not a plagiarist, He's not

And what's worth is that we seemingly like it because we visit the websites, we buy, the magazines, we partake in all of it. So seemingly this is status quo. This, this is a situation normal, you know, like this is what people expect. You know, here's here's your PR. And the idea that a horror or magazine or a horror website or whatever the case may be, would just be sort of an extension in the PR department of these film studios isn't even that controversial an idea to some people.

They've implicitly internalized it absolutely as an ideal business model. I've had editors say, oh, we should do something to support this publicist, or we should really get behind these guys because they advertise with us, and so on and so forth. Like this concept of advertorial, especially in print.

Yeah, and that's kind of the disturbing thing, right, is that this is the same conundrum faced by all media. Right, so all media, all spectrums are facing similar threats and compromises to their integrity, So why wouldn't we expect to see it at this level? And that's actually what kind of makes it fascinating, is that to see it at this level and to realize that even at this level, this is how things are.

There's also one last thing that I want to say about Eli before we continue, because we're going to continue to sort of analyze things that he said, to kind of expose some of these kind of like wrong headed assumptions that he spews so kind of willfully, you know, as there's no gatekeepers or freethink has taken him to task and so on. But I don't want to necessarily continue to demonize Eli the person, as difficult as that's going to be, because I really do object to saytain

I mean, I would not a receiving end of there.

I would not want to be on the receiving end of it at all. Actually, you know what put me on the receiving end of it? Take me to task for what I say. I'm happy to debate and engage. That's the difference. Well, I'm happy to debate and engage what I say. If I put forward an argument and somebody can offer a delicious counter argument that actually provokes me to re examine what I have to say, I actually find that of great value. I have a few

Because every night before he bangs a bunch of Catalonian whores.

Hi, I'm Eli Roth Forpeta Well. Violence in the movies is make believes. Sadly, violence against animals is all too real. Countless animals are tortured and abused every day, and most of the time these crimes go unreported. If you know of someone who is abusing an animal, please tell the police or tell an adult.

People who get away with.

Hurting animals often turn their violence against people, and that's the cycle we need to break. So let's leave the violence where it belongs on the screen, right, Darling, I thought we said no tongue.

So yeah, I feel that's just important to make because I don't want this to come off as like a vendetta against a human being. Maybe the guy's fantastic. I actually hated this wasn't said to me specifically, but it was a film programer set it to a mutual friend of mine. They said, you know, Eli's not a bad guy, And maybe that's true. Maybe he's not a bad guy. Maybe he just plays one on TV.

You know, this is the thing too, This is an age where we're encouraged to adopt persona and create a

That's actually just a better way of saying what I was trying to say, basically, because that's the point I want to make, is that we're addressing the public comments of Eli roth right the statements he makes, not to Payson making the statements.

Cannibal Holocaust falls into that category of a movie that's so low budget you kind of believe it's real, and then you look at the people the use, and they use real cannibals and like jungle savages when they film this, you think, what monster made this movie.

I'll have to go back and listen to one and two to see how hideously I transgressed that sort of principle. But that's but that's what I hope to do with these two, because we've got more stuff to get into, stuff that actually really does legitimately make me angry again

Right, and we're going to really try and stick to that.

How do you direct a bunch of cannibals in Colombia in the joy world.

How do you do that?

Just that alone seemed to me like it was just it just felt like some of it had to be real. There's no laws and no one's watching them. He just it just gives you this really creepy feeling.

So that whole thing we had about his small penis size, We're not going to get into that on this episode.

I'm not going to get into that. I'm not going to talk about all the shown this dick to young girls and what did you see those cocker comments where they there was like Eli Ross showed me his dick, And we're not going to get into how Eli Ross send girls, allegedly sends girls dick picks online and you know all that stuff.

Sends girls dick pics online.

In the story. No, I'm not joking. I mean that's the allegation there. There are some women online, uh and you know who who mentioned that they had received some intimate photography, uh from from his wroth.

And you know this this big not last long, but I mean my whole desire to not kind of go after the piers, so this is lasting very long. It's all waking up very well. Now I'm talking about him sending women dick pics. He's the Anthony Wiener of horror.

The Anthony Wiener of horror, allegedly. So I mean, you know, I have to say that I have not either an over verifiable Eli Roth dick pigs available. I looked in the interest of journalistic integrity entirely, and you know, because I just wanted to see. And so it's not verifiable. We we don't know that that actually happened, which is probably another good reason not to talk about it.

It doesn't need to send women dick picks though, That's the crazy thing. I mean, Eli Roth. You know it was a famous guy's a good looking guy. Girls like him anyway, Just him texting a woman is probably going to facilitate an exchange of bodily fluids. He doesn't to send his dick picks.

But people have weird pathologies, don't they, you know, And so I like, who knows if that is true? You know, like we have no way of verifying whether Eli Roth.

Since all right, this is a rabbit hole I don't want to continue diving into. We have enough nasty stuff to get into without talking about his penis. When eli Roth was spouting off against the social justice Warriors. I saw somebody make the comment, you know one thing I hate more than a social justice warrior or anti social justice warriors, and I started to see the phrase antsjw's, antsjw's, and I thought, you know what, they need their own name.

About them, which is pretty nipple dippery.

It's classic nipple dipperology right there.

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I like, is available done?

So what is an anti SJW. Actually, you came up with a good phrase before when you said they were status quo warriors. Yeah, that and that could be a good term for them too, the status quo warriors.

And that's really I mean, if you want a real shorthand understanding, that's what it is. It's status quot warriors. It's like, we want things the same, we want things the way they've always been. You know, I want my peanut butter and jelly with cross cut off, and I want it cut diagonally and I want it diirved with some apple slices and a glass of milk. And if you deviate at all, we're going to have a problem.

That's why a guy like Eli Roth says things like what's ruining horror movies right now is political correctness. What he means by that is I don't want to have to think or hear from perspectives from marginalized groups. And this is the defining traits of the nipple dipp They don't want to hear from gays and lesbians and women and Indians and black people and any kind of traditionally repressed group that previously didn't have a voice in mainstream culture. Today,

You don't like these TV shows, you don't like these movies, you don't like these video games, you don't like these comics, you don't like this music.

You'll like any of the stuff. Don't just leave, just go away. We're listening to it. Quick reading it, quit playing it. Just put the shit down and shut the fuck up.

Yeah, it is a sight to behold. I mean, I think I think Eli retweeted that guy's video right, just maniac screaming, you know, shot the fucker. I mean, it's incredible. And now we've got this the banded Star Wars campaign. You know, like that that is you know, largely being brought out, largely entirely being brought on by nipple dippers. You know, they want to band the band the new Star Wars movie because they feel that the black lead character is just a just a bridge too far. It's

Throughout elementary school, junior high, high school, and college, I was told that my race, the white race, was the cause of all the world's problems. Now many of you had jobs where minorities say things that would get you, as a white person, instantly fired.

This conditioning is done to white people, and only white people. White children, and only white children are being affected by this, and only white countries are doing.

The Aztecs conquered many surrounding Native American tribes, practiced human sacrifice and health slaves.

Yet anti racist don't say that Mexicans must apologize forever and have their lands forcibly flooded with non Mexicans and be forced to assimilate.

Anti racist is a code word for anti white.

Now what you're describing, though, is an obviously extreme white supremist point of view. Yeah, that they don't want to hear from black people because who the hell a black peple? They shouldn't be on a level playing field with white people. That's their kind of agenda to begin with. That's their sort of philosophical disposition. But a lot of nipple dippers

Absolutely, I mean, and that's all they're asking for. They're just asking to say, hey, please recognize us as people and not as cartoons as props. Yeah, you know, as these rote caricatures were more than that. And then that's really that's really all they're asking anybody to do is consider them in that fashion.

And of course this now becomes kind of central to the discussion of The Green and Fano because the only real controversy surrounding the film, there was never a real controversy in mainstream culture. Nobody even really paid attention to the film in mainstream culture. The horror press just kind of gobbled up anything Eli had to say, and fans just kind of weighed in and typical, you know, either supporting the film or dismissing the film, largely based on

Yeah, and I mean and to that end, like you better have a good reason, like you're if you're going to cross that line and wound this group of people, which is what you're doing, right, I mean, you're their public image. You're contributing to a really really negative stereotypes amount their people that you wouldn't tolerate. You know that you certainly wouldn't appreciate being heaped upon yours if you're

I think if Eli walked into a producer's office and said, here's my next project. It's a horror film. It's a bunch of tourists. They go to Harlem, they get captured by a black family. They get taken back to a crack house and cooked in a big potts. They engage in this like African tribal ceremony. Then they all eat the white people, you know, unless like maybe Lloyd Coffin

And it's because of how we value Aboriginal lives. Right We certainly value them a whole hell of a lot less than we value white lives. We certainly value their voices a hell of a lot less than we value white voices. We value their voices a hell of a lot less than I think we value black voices. Or like, they're so so far down on the ladder in terms of our cultural recognition of them. And maybe maybe this is guilt. Maybe this is like we can't look at them,

A couple of years ago, Prime Minister Harper released a statement that people have been waiting to listen to for a generation or more, and a lot of people were critical that the statement in no way goes far enough to address the situation, but he apologized for the whole treatment of Natives in the residential school system, which is basically Canada's genocide and for people who are unaware of what happened is Native kids were pulled away from their

A white savior.

And I think this leaves most of the population just unaway of how to deal with it. So rather than face this ugly part of our collective past, people choose to bury their heads in the sand. I had a really interesting comment, and I'm not going to mention their name because I don't think they were really listening closely to anything that I've been talking about with regards to this subject. I think it was just a kneejach response. But I was challenging that shock till you drop condemnation

Fucking care.

So this person comes along, and keep in mind this is a well respected DVD distributed and producer of cinnementaries and a filmmaker in his own rights, and he accused me of being a sensorial voice in horror and compared me to Mary Whitehouse, which, of course, to any horror fan, that is a horrible comparison to make. I mean, it's a defensive one to make to any horror fan to compare them to Mary white House, one of the great demons against the horror genre.

The early nineteen eighties marked a revolution in video technology. For the first time, courtesy of the VCR, people had the means to watch films in the comfort of their own homes if they had five hundred quid and a Pickford van to get it home. But surprise, surprise, it wasn't Panorama they were watching. Almost immediately, unregulated and uncensored films became available to hire, uncut from your local video shop. Gory, graphic,

Barely reach for the eject button.

Fake blood, vacant stairs, and let's be honest, some pretty shoddy acting became the hallmarks of what the tabloids quickly dubbed the video nasty.

You know, people who say that why shouldn't adults be able to see this kind of thing in their own home? I'm half tempted to say that people who make that kind of demand, knowing that children are likely to see it, aren't really themselves very mature.

And I don't What I find more offensive about it is that you're being accused of this for just critiquing something and having a closure look, having the discussion that they're saying they want to product.

Well, here's the thing. I wasn't even condemned the Green Inferno for peddling in racial stereotypes. I was just pointing out, matter of factly that that's what it does by virtue of the fact that it's a cannibal movie. I mean, I think this is a no brainer. This isn't even something that's up for debate. I mean, I'd love for somebody to come along and say, well, actually, you've got it all wrong. The Green Inferno is really a really

Yeah, I don't even get. I don't get how you sell this movie. I don't, especially when you see the final product, right, I mean, how do you sell that? It's like I said before, it's missing that element that redeems or even attempts to redeem the regressive portrayal. Right, you need that in order to make this something that you can sell to people, and it lacks it. There's nothing that redeems any of it.

The film came about from what I saw in this trend of this lazy form of activism, this slacktivis, and everyone's like, if you don't tweet free pussy riot, what's wrong with you? Don't you care about these girls? Oh you must be against freedom to speek. People are getting so self righteous and so angry over this thing that they knew nothing about twenty four hours earlier.

I wanted to make a.

Movie about these types of kids, these kids that aren't really interested in the cause they want the shortcut.

I am so sick of all of them.

So I'm taking these people and i am baking them, and I'm chopping them up, and I'm eating them and I'm laughing at them.

So to pick up where we left off with Jungle Gate Volume two, following those episodes, I went back and I actually spend some time reading through a lot of the Instagram comments on Amerindian fourteen ninety one's account, and it was really interesting to see the perspective from indigenous people, from natives, how they feel about these representations in the culture. Now, of course, we're both grown ups. We've been horror fans for a long time. We've seen cannibal movies going back decades.

It's great title, it's spectacular.

But I'm a white guy who gives a fuck what I think about the racial representation. It's not my culture being reflected in there.

Yeah, and it's it's certainly not my culture, I mean, or barely my culture. So we're not tuned in in that way, we're not on that wavelength. The perspectives of natives have not sort of breached the cultural surface so that people like us can be properly sensitized to them.

So here's a choice one has with a situation like this one. You can be like a nipple dippy and just completely dismiss the indigenous perspective. Don't engage in it, don't listen to it, don't think about it, don't seek it out, completely block it out of your consciousness. And if it still pops up and gets in your face somehow, you scream at it to shut the fuck up.

Yeah, you just gotta pound that shit down there, that that nail is going in there, that you know that it that floorboard will never fucking creak again. You got to make sure.

Shut the fuck up.

Or how about just being curious about it and just wondering, you know what, what does a young person of indigenous descent think when they go on YouTube and they see a trailer for a movie like The Green and Finnal

I mean, you know, we don't mean to pile on, but you know, I guess we need to make our point.

The comment that I think made the most impact on me, and I couldn't actually trace it back to its souce, so I forget who said this, But somebody said, I'm sick of being trapped in the white man's imagination.

Yeah, that's that's powerful. I mean, just just an imagery alone, that's a that's a powerful statement. But when you think about its implications and realizing that people aren't seeing you as anything more than a loose collection of stereotypes.

You know, if people are having a hard time kind of getting their head around trying to look at this from an indigenous point of view, let me point out that. And I'm sure everybody has felt this way with respects to something specific to them, when they see things reflected in the culture that doesn't accurately represent something that they

Yeah, if you're like a like a computer hacker or something, I'm reasonably certain that any sort of computer hacking scene in any movie ever hasn't just been the most frustrating exercise possible where you're just screaming at the screen of side out. It fucking works. What are you're fucking getting me?

Fuck, anybody who owns a computer reacts.

That way exactly.

So I mean it's like, I gotta even get my computer to boot up properly, and these guys are like lugging in in two seconds flat. They've cracked the nuclear codes.

Exactly exactly, Like Hollywood has just not found a non absurd way to portray that particular thing, and it drives people crazy and it sticks out and it rings untrue. And I think that's what gets us is that it offends a certain sense of moral justice. We expect there to be right, Like, no, this rings false to me, and I want to correct falsehood.

So it's not a stretch to understand that this is how indigenous people feel when their culture is maligned in these ways. And it's much more serious than pissing somebody off because they're a fan of music or their occupation

Yeah, I mean, there's absolutely no question that this is several orders of magnitude more important. However, I will bet you dollars to donuts that were you to google the two issues, you will find far more forums filled with people complaining about how inaccurate the movie Hackers was versus you know, people complaining about how accurate the portrayal of Native Peruvians is in The Green Inferno.

Here's another comment that really made an impact on me. It's from a woman named o Prido. That's her Instagram account. She seems to be a young teenage Indigenous girl. Here response to the trailer was as follows. She said, this really got to me. I'm heartbroken. They white supremacy is always attacking our people, people of color. I'm in tears right now. Our people from the South need us more

The term that really sticks out to me, and that is interesting because it is hyperbolic and yet not at all hyperbolic, is extinction when she talks about the extinction of her people, because that's a very real fear and concern. You know, when Star Wars fans talk about white genocide, it's hard to take that seriously when you're compared with this girl's really anguished expression about the possible collapse an

I named Lindsay. That's actually his Instagram account. Guy named Lindsay said, if anyone wants to collaborate on a truthful film about what really goes on when Europeans set foot on Indigenous land, hit me up. I've got the equipment and the time. Of course, that's the great irony about the Green Inferno is to castigate the Indigenous people as the ruthless savages when history tells a completely different tale.

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Eli seemed to think the white people were the bad guys in the Green Inferno. But that's only because Eli is a deeply confused human being, which I think we all understand. By this point, you must.

Admit it's exceptional footage.

I didn't expect such impact, such authenticity.

I don't know. I don't think exception was the right word.

You don't, no, I mean, what's exceptional about a primitive tribe your crumo be terrorized and forced into doing something that they don't normally.

Just come on, now, professor, let's be realistic. Who knows anything about the echo civilization today? People want sensationalists. The more you rape their senses, the happier they are.

What I like about this guy's remark is that it's it's so enthusiastic, it's got this like it's hopeful. It's like, let's go and let's go and do our own thing. Let's let's build our own you know, media, let's let's tell our own stories.

Well, it's like what roots did for slavery. This story will eventually come out. There'll be a mini series that explores the true colonial repression of Indigenous people. It'll be called like Fuck Columbus Day, the Mini Series or something.

They'll finally make a proper film version of you know, Bill Burrow's Thanksgiving Prayer or something like that, and just horrify a whole nation as it should, you know, and this will finally just you know, we'll confront it. We'll confront it somehow, we'll grapple with it somehow.

And to expand upon the same point, somebody joined in and said, I hate it when they make white people innocent and Indigenous people bloodthirsty, Like seriously, it was white people that came here and raped the women, whilst the others burned their homes and stole their culture just so their descendants could appropriate it. And of course all of this really begs the question is to what degree do you think Eli Roth, setting out to make this movie

I don't see how it's possible that he couldn't, being that The one thing that we, I think everybody knows and admires about Eli Roth, and the thing that I think makes us hopeful that he has a masterful piece of cinema in him is that he is an adherent to genre of culture. He knows the films, you know, I mean he titled this film the Green Inferto. You know, he knows the origins of this story, he knows the places that he's pulling this film from, and so surely

Somebody named Tucker's five five six showed up to say, and this is a common nipple dipper expression. You hear it applied all the time ad nauseum. They said, dude, it's just a movie.

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Much as you can only And the astonishing thing about that point of view is that, yeah, it's a movie, i e. The most powerful and influential form of mass communication ever devised by human beings in the history of planet Earth. Yes, that's a movie, just a movie. So then Amerindian fourteen ninety one counters this with what I think is a really sensible statement that actually illustrates the point perfectly. He said, with the movie The Green and Ferno coming out, I wanted to make a point of

Antonio Margaradi, and I think that's just a really perfect way of explaining how films actually impact our view of the world more so than any other media.

Motion pictures and their more insidious offspring television are the most powerful mass communication.

Tools we have.

They will do more to influence our view of the world than literature, the music certainly more or an interpretive dance exactly.

And this is why you know this is an extremely important comment because in it, Ammerindian shows a greater respect for the medium than this person who feels like they're a defender of the medium. You know that they're going to there to protect this medium.

Amerindian points out the whole Pino noir thing from Sideways, which I actually didn't know until I read that comment. But it doesn't surprise me at all. I mean, that was such a famous part of that movie, and it was the first time that I ever thought what people look down on Mellow, actually they don't. That's sort of a fallacy in the film that that character just has a peculiar hang up on Melo. But I think people whine is like one of those things that nobody understands.

I mean, I mean, this is the thing. It's so clear. I mean, I don't understand how people who perhaps they haven't heard of like Lenny Reefinstahl, you know, like like maybe they've just never seen any of those, you know, the Nazi propaganda films. And I hate to go there because you know people are gonna say, oh, you had to invoke the Nazis, and you know, you can't make your point without bringing the bloody Nazis into it. But I mean, really think about it. It was radio and

You know, to me, it's crazy that was sitting here even debating. We're not debating, but even discussing the concept that movies and shape public opinion. It's nuts to me to think that people actually don't think this is the case.

But this is where we touch on something very fascinating, because what this reveals is that the contortions that these people are willing to twist themselves into to avoid uncomfortable confrontation with their psyche and to avoid uncomfortable ideas about the media they're consuming that may change it for them from just you know, kicks and fun to maybe something a little more profound and something that may lead them in different ways in life. I mean, this is the

The cognitive dissonance that I've experiencing right now doing this is I feel like everything was saying it's so painfully obvious, and yet why does it elude the mass media? That's the crazy thing. It's like coming to terms with the fact that America is not a democracy. When you can only choose between two corporate funded candidates, that is obviously not a democracy, But we live in this system where like millions and millions and millions of people believe it

Well, that's exactly it, because a lot of the fundamental stuff that should be there the firmament that we should be able to build all this on so that we all share this understanding. It just isn't there because there's there's been this mass erosion in media literacy, right and mass quite frankly in media competency. But those are two sides of the same coins. So the audience has been diminished, the content creators have been diminished, so the entire gambit

We hope people will be patient with that, what do you think you are a free thinking We're.

Freethinkers, man, We're wild freethinkers, you know who We're going to actually have to think this ship out and like wrestle with ideas and like do some research and you know, try and relate to foreigners and all this sort of nonsense. Right, So, I mean this, this stuff takes time, and to do

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