74 - "Avatar: Way of Water" Review & SPOILERCAST

we love these stories. And I think this is the perfect Ender for pretty pretty cool year in movies. Pretty interesting year in movies, if I may say so. I would agree with both of those things that you just said. Culminating in this it was 13 years in the making was much delayed, much dismayed. People were questioning whether we needed it whether it was actually ever happening. Was it a big pyramid scheme? Were we ever getting these sequels? Who

knows. And then this one can renew James Cameron knew what turns out, James Cameron knew all along that we were gonna get this movie. And it was worth the weight, in our opinion, as we talked about in our non spoiler review was the spectacle as expected, but it was a movie that had a lot of heart that I don't think a lot of people were expecting. And we're gonna dive into that and so much more. When we talk about avatar way the water. But first, we have a bit of news to get through.

As as per per usual, per bi weekly, a flurry of DC news that

we were able to talk about a couple of weeks ago, at the end of the show, but now just a ton of other stuff has come out. Definitely mostly surrounding Henry Cavill. And what is now not happening as Superman. So I guess we should start there. You're going to start from the inception like the what's the inciting incident? The inciting incident? Funny enough was the Patty Jenkins thing I think was the first thing that happened.

Yeah. So I guess I guess the whole thing was James Gunn and Peter Safran kind of got together they, Kevin Feige entered into the MindScape like, they they formulated this plan, you know, they got their 10 commandments from from the, from the, from the skies. He came down, Moses came down from the from the mountaintop, and he was like, this is this is what we're doing with DC films in the future. And none of you are in it,

basically. So I yeah, I guess we could start there with Wonder Woman three that has been scrapped indefinitely, forever. It's done. It's dead. A lot of things surrounding what may or may not have happened, we don't really know. We know that just they're just not into it. They're not interested in whatever was written. And that was it. Right. Right. And then rumors, I guess, is a big theme that plays through all this DC newbies news because this has to do with YouTubers like this gets

into a whole bunch of stuff. But I guess the the big overarching thing that happened was basically James Gunn is active on Twitter. So James Gunn tends to answer people on Twitter. He's not one of these, you know, executives that doesn't say anything. Whether you like that or not, is for another discussion. But we talked about what is in James Gunn got into a conversation with a pretty prominent comic book YouTuber.

And the comic book YouTuber said there is there's a report that James Gunn doesn't like Henry Cavill and then James Gunn said the heck are you talking about? I don't like Henry Cavill. And then a roast battle ensued when James got the game just gotten one apparently. Yeah, and which is funny, but beside the point, but what this culminated to was a couple days later, Henry Cavill really something that said, Goodbye, he I'm done

playing Superman. Well, the report said they're doing a Superman movie that doesn't include Henry Cavill. And then a couple hours later, Henry calles that I met with James Gunn and Peter Safran, and they said that they don't need me anymore, and that they're going with a younger take on Superman, and that there's a new DC universe to be had DC studios, and I'm not a part of it, unfortunately. Yeah, sad one of the most short lived return 10 years in human history. He didn't even he got a

cameo. Yeah, in a movie, that is also a part of this equation. Yeah, so that is the end of basically, this is the end of the, quote, unquote, Schneider verts as we know it, it's dead. We talked about Jason Momoa. How apparently Aquaman two is going to be his final outing as a woman and then he is going to apparently transition to the role of Lobo for the future of DC films. Gaga Dodd is done playing Wonder Woman. Yeah, and I think that Galaga dot was like

a question mark. And then they they kind of asked Henry and then we're like, no, if we're gonna do this, then nobody's coming along. For this ride. We're gonna do a full trying to true reboot. And I think I said

this about James Gunn. He came from a movie studio that's like has comic book characters that just knew it and like, what I think happened was like, he came from like, a movie studio that didn't have the two biggest parts of it in the universe, but they still were, you know, the only studio that was making like, you know, 700 to a bill LeighAnn range, every single movie they were putting out was just doing insane numbers. So he probably was confused as if he can do that with a truck, A

talking tree and a raccoon. Why they couldn't do that with Superman, Wonder Woman and Batman. So he said, I'm gonna have to start from scratch. There's no continuity errors. There's no time jumps, like I need to start from the jump with my own idea. So then we found out that he is writing the Superman movie, which to people's dismay, but I said, Isn't this more of a layup than? Isn't it harder for him to do what he had to do with the Suicide Squad and the Guardians

than it is with Superman? Yeah, you would think Yeah, I think that's a great kind of first step. For this new DC Universe, I guess you can call it that James Gunn is going to be writing the Superman movie. Also, Henry Cavill and galgut dad had cameos in the flash that are apparently being taken out now. And funny enough, this all culminates in the flash kind of being the final movie. Yeah. Of the old guard. Well, I guess Aquaman would be right, because Aquaman is coming out after the

flash. I can't remember man. Remember, so yeah. Then you know, that's gonna be it. So they also talked about the Michael Keaton movie that was apparently going to be a Batman Beyond movie, which makes sense. I feel like that was kind of the direction that that was probably gonna go in anyway. Terry McGinnis. Maybe in that case would have been a great example to get like an actor that he'd worked with get Dylan O'Brien to be Terry McGinnis, because they did American assassin. But

that's no longer happening. And yeah, like you said, it's basically James Gunn, shredding the DC Universe down to its last atom and rebuilding a new one. Yeah. Born out of fired, fired personnel, they'll never know. Oh, he did? No, he also met with the backhoe directors for some, they're gonna get something they'll probably I think he feels bad. And it's gonna give them something. So maybe, maybe they just might release Batwoman or Batgirl. And be like, cool. It's release. But this so do

DCU. I'm glad we made that episode. So it's DC studios. Now. It's James Gunn and Peter Safran. We're starting with Superman. He did tweet that Batman is integral to this too. So they've got characters that are super important. So I think we're starting from scratch. And like all the things people talks about, like, they don't need to worry about one of the harder

uphill battles. And that's like fitting in the stuff around like getting it to kind of fit now they don't need to worry about anything fitting because they can start with the jump. And one of the things that I've said from beginning of the MCU. And then once the DCU started to kind of kick off in 2013 to 2016 Rangers, like they don't need to worry about having the right sell their characters, they have

all the rights. And they have three of the most recognizable characters of all time, that being outside of spider man, like they have the Trinity, you have the superhero archetype, you have the human superhero, and you have the the woman superhero, like you have the three that you want, and they couldn't figure it out, but I think they're gonna figure it out. Yeah, I think this might be why where we diverge in our hopes, I'm not doing this again, I'm having I told you, I'm not

doing this again. This, it's like dealing with a bunch of snake oil salesmen. They're like, Alright, maybe this didn't work. But we're going to start over and do it again. And then that doesn't work. And they're like, What, but we're gonna start over and do it again. Just wait for this really cool thing to happen. And I'm, like, been waiting. And it hasn't come yet. I mean, this one feels real.

Essentially, maybe this one feels actually real because I think the realness comes from there's just starting there. Like we need to up end every word starting from the beginning. Now questions arise out of this and I mean, I guess Question number one is Robert Pattinson. Right. That's probably the first one man laughs The ending Yeah. Totally been left standing. Oh, I hope I also if he's going to do it, he needs to make sure that Harley

Quinn is not Margot Robbie. I feel like that would be a disservice to everybody that you just fired but she's the only one that gets to stay. What's one character that you want to stay? There's only one character you can keep in the entire DC Yeah, who's who's it gonna be from like the old like them now old from university from what? From Man of Steel to the flash? What's the one character that you're gonna keep? I mean, I probably would have probably would have kept Superman to be

honest with you. That's the one character keeping. It's probably who I would have kept somebody today and I thought about it's abandoned while I'm keeping Viola Davis was the only character that's the same everybody else can get recast. Cuz I mean, I guess technically the Suicide Squad is going to be part of this new thing. I don't think so. I think he's just he's doing another season Peacemaker. Well, I think that another season a peacemaker is it like that's just that's probably it.

That's what I would do. And then I mean, even on top of that, the beauty of this whole thing is the ultimate earthing for DC so they can truthfully just keep the DCU is technically I guess, it's never dead. None of these things are we saw that with Crisis on Infinite Earths, like other IPS coming into one of the DC banner like nothing's

truthfully dead. I I genuinely do think that we're going to get paid on one more Henry Cavill Superman movie, but it's not going to happen for like 10 or 15 years but when that movie comes out, it'll be one of the most gratifying movies because I think like I said, they're going to do an

amalgamation. I think what would be cool is you do an amalgamation of all star, Superman and kingdom come and you mix them together and you kind of have like the elements of like the new guard of superhero versus like what the superhero supposed to be like, and like he can see his journey from killing Zod all the way up to like seeing these heroes do the same thing that he did in VMware. He can't do that at all.

And then just what the trials in all star Superman, like all the things that Superman does on a daily basis, I think, a mixture of those two stories and like an old man, Henry Cavill, Superman, I think would be the perfect send off. I guess I'm James bangled, direct it because that's his bag. Now. He takes old sage characters and makes them great. Yeah, yeah, that'd be cool. But um, I guess we'll

see. But you're right about Henry Cavill because it didn't take him long to pick up a new project because he is he has jumped into the into the seat of his passion project, which is a warhammer 40k cinematic universe school as he put it, that helped me you know, big part of obviously Anyone who has seen him online knows how big of a warhammer 40k Fan he is. So that's good for him. I'm glad that he's that he's not wasting time. And he's getting busy doing something that he wants to

do. He's not going to be returning to the Witcher much to a bunch of people's dismay. That's still going forward with Liam Hemsworth in season four. So, yeah, we'll see what the future holds, I guess for for DC. Yeah. Henry Cavill. I hope he finds I hope Warhammer is the thing that he wants to do. I know he's a big fan. So I think that'll be cool. Especially under Amazon Studios or prime studios. I think that's pretty cool. And just make him James Bond. I guess that's the biggest

we're sorry. You could give them let's look I already gave my dream for what James Bond will look like you get you get Henry Cavill you get an evil new I just don't know if didn't evil news as locked into doing as James Cameron is the avatar to the point where it's like, I'm not making anything else besides this thing. But I do think that maybe I think didn't evil new as an art tour. So I think you'll do other things. So I think that give give me Henry Cavill and

give me the Knievel new. I don't know give me today I want to score the movie. Oh, I'm giving Nicholas fertile. I think he can make something really cool out of that. Or give me Ludwig Dorsen. That would be kind of cool. And yeah, and give me Greg Fraser to shoot the movie. I think he did put all those together. I think you can get us insane Bond franchise out of that. That'd be very cool. Yeah. Unless you just make leshawna Lynch bond. They could do that too, which is great. She was

trying to die. And then I guess the only other piece of this DC thing is the black Adam piece which has gotten very weird. Yeah. Yeah. So I guess there's there's a feud now between Dwayne Johnson and Warner Brothers. Yeah. So I guess the report goes that one a is that he was asked to be in Shazam, to which I I thought before I heard that, that he was going to be in the post credit scene of Shazam, too. I thought that was going to

be the whole thing. Because otherwise they're just gonna be like, you know, who had that power before you billion kids? It was this it was it was Dwayne The Rock Johnson from WWE fame. And I guess not. Because I guess what happened is he said, No, he said, I'm not going to do a post credit scene in this movie or a cameo in this movie. And then and then and then he unfollowed DC and he unfollowed Warner Brothers on Instagram, I think because because, like Adam

bombed. It was a real bomb. It was this movie did not do well. Like I think avatar is gonna be on track to make 520 or 500 to 525 something in that range. And I think I can safely say it does feel like that for the opening weekend just based off what we want to but yeah, this movie did not make as nearly as much money as they thought it would or needed to, or as much money as

they they thought it did. I guess things have come out from his team that kind of conflated the number is a little bit right man Yeah, just a really weird weird ending to the to the to the hierarchy of power in the DC universe changing and it did just not in the way that the rock thought I guess Yeah.

And that's the and this is the death and rebirth of the DCU but like I like like it goes in, in DC comics that DC is built upon the crisis slash rebirth so I wouldn't I wouldn't count the DC you out 100% Maybe 95% But I

wouldn't count it out. 100% I do I do think we're gonna get the second and last season a peacemaker will get the flash we'll get Blue Beetle like well get all these things and then it will be done and then we're gonna we're gonna fly him to the Sun with a new Superman and anybody who wants to be Superman and anything What do you want in this new DC you're just giving besides consistency, consistency would be nice. But you know, I think in universe things that

you want. I honestly I kind of want them to avoid doing any type of crossover Justice League

for like, a while. I want you know, I think we've talked about this before how their strongest movies have been their kind of self contained stuff that are kind of like I said, but like I told you this you know, away from the podcast like let Marvel be the comic book brought to life kind of thing where like anyone can show up at any given time you know, and let your universe be the character driven kind of character study I mean a very sort of modern day in the in the

crisis what was DC is built upon the fact like BB DC solo store is really great like the Dark Knight Returns you talk about, I mean, the Flash Rebirth obviously I just characters that pop up but that's still a flash story at the end of the day. You have all star Superman again, you know, story where characters show up but like it's all their solo titles that usually pop off really well versus at Marvel you look at their big things, what

are their big things? It's the X Men, it's the fantastic Ford like big stories that happen. I mean, in the in the modern day for Marvel, like you had Civil War Civil War was a huge one Secret Invasion. Those are all

big crossover events. But for DC I think like the core values for Batman like I think all star Superman for Superman, like, you think of all these stories like Green Lantern corpse and like the green lights are Geoff Johns run like their single character, like even as Broto, they will get characters might pop up here and there. It's the fact that they're the single character stories where you could focus on

them. So yeah, even the more successful in the movies, I mean, even maybe not dollar wise, but critical was made of steel, Joker, the Batman, you know, all these Aquaman Daleks, the Wonder Woman, the first one.

Shazam was kind of like a surprise kind of hitting rhythm like, whereas like the ones that have been panned kind of critically, Batman vs. Superman, the Justice League, you know, I mean, this, I don't count the Suicide Squad on that, because it's still kind of a character driven story, even though it's about a team. The first one, the second one, the second one. But that, you know, that movie we talked about when we talked about that movie, it's kind of built through Bloodsport, and

ratcatcher. You know, it's still kind of character driven, even though it's about a team, you know, same thing of that. Yeah. So I think that's where their strength is, I think those are the stories that should be trying to tell get people on board with these characters first, and then, you know, the Justice League kind of team up stuff is kind of like your ace

in the hole, honestly. Yeah. Like if you can get people on board with the characters like a justice like movie is essentially printing money at that point. Yeah, I think it's, it's a growth piece. Like I do think we're gonna, we're gonna feel the growth of these characters and it's going to feel genuine like, I think we're gonna get that Superman like that man and tomorrow, a Superman that, you know, feels like he's going through the trials and tribulations of Clark

Kent. Like, I didn't think we spent nearly enough time with Clark Kent. And I'm talking like reporter Clark Clark Kent day to day Clark Kent with Henry Cavill I think we need more of that and then just going over for Batman too. I do think we're gonna get a new bad just based off what he said like I do think we're gonna get to Batman at the same time. You're gonna get your arthouse Robert Pattinson Batman movies with Matt Reeves and then you're gonna get your in universe

Batman that crosses over. And cool. Give me Give me a maybe a younger Batman. That would be cool too. But like, it's just I think the culmination piece is going to be cool, because then when you get there, it's going to feel so much better when you get there. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's exactly right. I think that's, you know, where James Gunn comes from working so closely with Marvel. I think that's he realizes that,

honestly. And I did that was the big thing is he's just He probably went over and he's just like, why is this so complicated? Like, if it hasn't worked, and it hasn't worked? Why don't we just gonna start, like, let's just try over again, and just start from scratch and try to do it right this time.

But there's, it was the fact that he immediately said, I'm writing the Superman movie, which makes me feel like he understands what Superman should feel like to the modern age and kind of what he can do with that I'm excited to see and Ben Affleck, I think they called him called him and said, If you want to direct something, give him the Batman movie, I guess I think would be really cool. Apparently people don't know that he's an Oscar winning director. And he's a co Oscar

winning writer. Like did people just forget that he co wrote Goodwill Hunting when he was what in his late 20s. And then he made Argo like this guy is got super talent that not only in front of the screen, but behind the screen too. Oh, yeah, I'm in with the pen. So I think he I think that would be a great talent. That's what you got to do. Go get some talent out because I think DC law allows you to play a lot more than Marvel does. That's one of the big critiques of Marvel is their

directors don't get to shine. I mean, Ryan Coogler is probably the big biggest example of somebody shining but like the big one for me that got it got like, tapped a little bit was eat as much as I do. Like the movie was Chloe Zhao with Eternals like I was peeking through sometimes, but I don't think it wasn't full of clothes. Yeah, like how she wanted it to be like DC is the it's kind of the antithesis to that. Like they'll let their directors kind

of do what they want. And I think if you are For better or worse, you're right. And I think James Gunn is going to make sure it's for the better. So give me like I said, Give me Joseph Kaczynski to direct that Superman movie, I think that would be awesome. I think he deserves like a, like a big superhero movie where he can kind of play a little bit, get a lot of practicals in there would be good, but understand what Clark Kent has to I think that's

super important. Give me that Batman movie, give me give me give me a Batman movie. Let them go to our conservative. That'd be cool. That would be cool. And then like I said, focus on focus on the idea of like, there's something that you could focus on the slight idea of like something like that dark side aspect if you want to like even if you don't want to do dark side, just, if you will keep wanting to do the solo stories, like have them be grand if you're going to do the solo

stories. That's cool, too. So like I said, I think Green Lantern is a big piece of this. I think green it's time for Greenland to come back because I think that store, that's a character with a lot of rich lore. Yeah, specifically that Geoff Johns run is just massive and grand. So you can pull a lot

of stuff from that. And then I think something like this universe can culminate to a crisis where you do pull it back in the DCU you pull in the arrow verse like you could pull all these things into like a Final Crisis event would be pretty cool. So yeah, I think your character or give us a Teen Titans, robins like give us give us all that crap in there. Do what the comics make it great. But do it on a solo scale maybe to start that you can culminate Exactly. I think that's

perfectly said. That being said watch black Adam on HBO. Max. There's not a shameless plug. The rock just text you. He did actually crazy. I mean to say something crazy. I I'm probably going to rewatch black Adam, but I'm not as excited to see as black Adam as I am the Justice Society. Yeah, that's fair. I I care more about the Justice Society than I do black Adam. Problem. Probably. What happens when you try to get your your be lowest villain to be the biggest villain in the

world? Yeah, but not a villain. Isn't that he? Yeah, yeah, he's not a hero. Man. Remember that? What a time when that movie came out. Seriously, it was a world event. That movie. And then it fell. Because there was not a lot of rewatch ability in that movie. I guess. No. There's like scene rewatch ability on YouTube, but there's not full movie rewatch ability. No, definitely not. We got some spider man news. So Spider Man

adjacent news site. Yeah, Spider Man adjacent news. So first and foremost, man, I don't even know this is very bizarre. So Donald Glover finally is entering the

spider verse. Officially. And but not he's not what you think. Yeah, he's gonna I'm gonna go the way you think not last Jedi came out five years ago. He's a couple days ago. He's going to star and produce a Spider Man villain spin off film Hypno hustler. We need to start we need to get the video set up just to get to my reaction. What is happening? Why did they do this? I don't know. Why are they doing this? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. What a hilarious

Senator six. This is going to be what I would do for El Muerto, hit no hustler. Morbius vulture venom to keep up like I wouldn't do anything for that. Like what? Why? Why are they doing this? No, no. I don't know. I just think do I think it's gonna be cool? Maybe it's not the my one saving grace for this is that it's Donald Glover. Like that's the one thing that I can like, but like, why I just said I was asking for this. I don't know who asked for the Hypno hustler

movie. Just I don't know. Just be proudly in the MCU I think they'll probably just just be the proud I think that was what you're kind of working up towards is just being his uncle and then you're just the Prowler Yeah. And then you're just the villain of whatever the MPH Spider Man movie is of like five or 10 years Yeah, but when said we're continuing this weird Sony villain a various you think that Elmore two movies actually going to come out?

Yeah, bad bunnies in it. Crap. That movie is probably going to make a billion dollars. Come on. Chill, chill, chill out. Don't underestimate the power of bad bunny will underestimate the power of bad bunny in a movie. Don't do it. I'm telling you right now and I'll do it. And if he does the soundtrack, poof. He's also going to do this soundtrack. $2 billion, actually for El Muerto. But on a better note, we did get an official release window for the Insomniac Spider Man sequel

for next fall. Great. Yeah, good. Perfect timing. Great. Probably going to get the trailer hopefully soon. Sooner rather than later. Maybe fall October, they'll probably give us something again, maybe because remember, remember when we got like the it was that teaser and then it was the actual gameplay. It was the fifth mission. Basically, they showed off like months and months before the game that came out. I think we'll probably get

it. I would say we would probably get a trailer like early next year like February

ish. And then either you either E three or summer game first we'll get like a gameplay trailer because that'll be like early June ish early mid June and then the game will be out you know, October or November so yeah that's pretty much what I would expect at this point for that kind of window if that's what they're if they're sticking to that window they seem pretty set on it so I think they're just in perfection time perfecting everything making

sure everything looks great. I again this is my single most anticipated game of next year I think this game is going to be incredible stories on both games were great and I think they're going to go even bigger and better you get vetem You get Craven you get Green Goblin in this game so and then you mix that with the gameplay of to Spider Man at the same time which is going to be something so for Venom or or Venom that's the that's the theory. That's my prediction.

See Tony Todd's Venom yeah perfect awesome casting and yeah, I think that's that's pretty much it when Tony Todd voice zoom yeah drag Barry throughout the season streets of Central City. Yeah, we got to and we got to flash season nine

trailer what a what a segue by me the final season trailer This is it. It was fine. It's cool. It didn't show off a ton. Yeah, but again, ma'am. If there isn't an inkling if there isn't like one spark of me that still has an affinity for the flash I just

be lying to you. This is a very this is your last season this is it man hats off to grant Gustin for sticking this through to because maybe some actors would have stepped away they might have they kind of want the Wally West's around at some point but he stuck it through the whole way through the ups and downs of

that show. And I mean as much as I joke about the downs there is a lot of ups and that show us I mean early especially early on in that show, man season one and two were that was like whatever the The CW you know, The CW aura that people don't like like at the end of the day like if you can you know stomach that it still was a lot of good and somewhat must watch television.

Like there was a little point in the flash where like I remember like a lot of people were watching that show and a lot of people were going to it week in week out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I mean, if anything tells you about how they can enter shows arrows the perfect example of

how to end the show. Stargell just ended something that we'll probably talk about, maybe maybe we're booked we're booked up so maybe early next year, we'll we'll recap Season Three a Star Girl Yeah, but um, but yeah, I can't wait to see what they what they send Grant Gustin off to and I hope he has a little different you know, with the flashing arrow and I think that might have been the only ones honestly that they knew going in that this was going to be their final seasons you know, I think

I'm pretty sure legends tomorrow ended kind of abruptly Stargirl ended kind of abruptly that woman ended kind of abruptly so the flashing arrow they knew going in that these were going to be their final season. So they kind of are able I'm assuming with the flash with arrow it already kind of paid spades but like they they can curate the final season as more of like a tribute, you know, for the character and the actors so I'm expecting this will probably

be pretty high quality. Yeah, and then that being said, let's talk about something that was also a very high quality being

avatar to The Last Airbender. No, well, I won't get into it because there's water there's air is Earth Yep, I'm not flicking LC suspicious. I think what you guys should do is go listen to the spoiler free and so that way you're ready and I think I'm think we should just jump right into spoilers so hold on hold on. Hold them get the numbers I have partial numbers because the weekends on over yet but uh, but the weekend is over at the end of Avatar too.

So yeah, this is on pace to be pretty monstrous but not it is not going to hit I don't it doesn't look like it's going to hit the opening weekend for Dr. Chang to I've just I remember Dr. Strange you remember you remember how the theater fell for dr. strange to it felt like it was like we were back like the bar will go was back so it's gonna land probably just short

of that. Probably anywhere between 450 to 500 million which is no small Yeah, that's still a lot of money PN absolutely dwarfs obviously the release of the first one which you know, we talked about at the time was you know, real warning red flag honestly, for the first movie when they were like Oh, and then it just the first movie had this just incredible staying power behind it. So we'll see. We'll see what happens with the second one but critically, this movie has been pretty well received.

The aggregation has has put a at a 79% on Rotten Tomatoes among critics, which is pretty good. I think the first one is that 81 among critics, but 94% Audience score which is 13 points higher than the audience score of the

first one. Yeah, um, And we talked about in the non spoiler section, that was the vibe I got just being in the theater that people that watch this really, really liked it a bunch, so that that checks out, in my opinion, that just just feeling the vibe of the theater that we were in, you know, yeah, people were engaged engagement is huge. It's, this is a medium that is supposed to

be consumed. So people were invested in again, the big thing that we took from the non spoilers that people were only in, obviously, you're invested in the visual, it's a, it's a big, it's a big world that you're coming back to that you're a little bit familiar with. But now you're going into new territory. And there's something that's amazing about that. But the thing that really invests you is the character work, and how much you feel for

these for these beings. And it's just, it's incredible what they were able to do and what James Cameron was able to kind of craft through his characters. And that's really where you get people. That's where you get people to stay. Yeah. And, yeah, so let's talk about this movie.

Speaking of those characters that you've mentioned, so this is a very character driven movie, you know, at the heart and soul of this movie are not Jaken material, necessarily, but the children Yep, the four children that are kind of at the core of this film. Well, for children plus one, plus a plus a plus a human kid. Right. And they are the heart and soul of this movie, for, for lack of a better word, and specifically low act, and we'll

get into him right now. Because to me is I mean, it is Jake, but I think he, for much of the film as the main character and the point of view character for this movie. He's spent a lot of time with it. Yeah, he's he's outcasted. He doesn't feel he doesn't feel connected to anybody. He can't get anything right. Essentially, Jake brushes him off a lot. Because, like I said earlier, I love the way Jake treats his kids, especially as sons, he treats them as

soldiers essentially. And they needed to be tight, tough, and, you know, do the right thing in the heat of battle at all moments. And his younger son just can't figure it out. He's like the, he's not a bumbling idiot. But he just He's always making like the he's making rash and like fast decisions. And that lends to great character work. Because once he does the right thing, and once he makes the decision to still do that thing, but do it for the right reason. It makes him feel much

better. Yeah, I totally agree. I think I think of all the characters in this, he goes on the most interesting journey. Yeah. Maybe not worldwide. So he goes on the most interesting journey that's reserved for for another character. But just as far as like a character arc in itself, it's definitely the most interesting, definitely the most compelling I think

you're spot on. I think, you know, even though Jake's the one we're most familiar with the we we get the we get the infamous Jake Celie narration over the top of things again, and so this, he's still very much ingrained in the story. But yeah, I think I think Loacker is definitely the most interesting character in this in this movie. Yeah. So in terms of character, and like character arcs, I think he's the most interesting in terms of world building and

lore. Sigourney Weaver, as Jacob Terry's daughter, born from born from Grace's avatar, yes, in unknown ways, and unknown ways, is by far in terms of law the most, by far just leaps and bounds, the most interesting character in this movie. What did you think of that? Like her being voiced by Sigourney Weaver? Do you think that could have been another actress? Maybe? Maybe? I just I think it's I think it's deeper than

that. I don't think I think the only reason you get away with it is because if you look at it face front, and you just look at the cast list, and you're just like this, these are their kids. And it's like a whole bunch of like, actual, like, teenagers and like, really young adults. And then it's Sigourney Weaver. Here. It's a little bit jarring. But I think as soon as like you understand, because they they deal with it quick like that. She's different from all the

rest of the kids. Like she's not the same as the other three kids. Like she's different from the other three of them. That's why I'm okay with it. Because there's something she's got. She's got something to her. She's Jesus. Yeah. So you're thinking when I'm thinking, right, yeah, she's a wha. Yeah, she's like the living embodiment of Aois. So yeah, she essentially is Pandora cheeses. And she's like, she's, like, all powerful. Like, she has mastery over the the creatures and

wildlife. Yep, yep. And it's funny because there's like this really interesting like dream sequence scene where she connects to the world to the underwater world tree that we find later on. There's more than one on Pandora. And that one, they all know that one tribe has won the Water Tribe has won. One of the tribes you see in the future will presumably have one right. So yeah, so she connects

to it. And she seeds a vision of Sigourney Weaver and she's like, I miss you a really beautiful scene I might add that she's having with herself. See that's the thing like and she says like

he'll jarring, right? It is very jarring but like the big pull from it is like she I asked like something's bothering her and I guess one of the things is like, who's my father like, and then I pulled the Skywalker like he has no father born out of the forest like she has no father she was born out of Awa that's that's what I think they're going for like I think it's like I mean she's like it doesn't seem to point to that yeah that she's like a being She's like an entity essentially. She has she

has powers Yeah. And it's like interesting like her father is like this heard her mother is like the the daughter of like, tribes been passed down all the way down to her a great warrior herself. And her father is like a fabled sky man that came down and essentially took over the

body of one of them. And it's like this like fabled hero so like makes and she came from like, another sky person that's connected to like, it makes sense that they would kind of prop her up is like, you know, because the fifth movie is called the quest for a while, which essentially might be a surrogate for the cost for Sigourney Weaver, maybe, maybe, but also James Cameron has said that whatever he's done for the third film could serve as as an endpoint within the entire

frame. Just in case he does. So I feel like we may get that journey explored. At the end of the next one there if it if it comes to pass Sure, which I do think he's gonna get that third one. Yeah, I think that's it. Yeah. So again, Sigourney Weaver, as Carrie is such she's like, she's the MacGuffin, she's a big MacGuffin in this. She's, like, bending the, the elements around her, like, in the sense that like, it's kind of under

the radar. Like, it does feel it did feel a little jarring to me that at times it did feel like her kind of role in all this was very understated. And very, like, start stoppie. Like, this feels like it's getting important. And then like she kind of vanishes. Yeah, I think I think it's because how powerful she is and how quickly

she learns. And I think the thing that like doesn't portray it that it might have been something like, you know, your Captain Marvel or something like that, where the where the character just has everything right to start is that she died a century like Grace died before and like this is like, it's beyond like, you know, your character that's like, you know, they're and like a human and then gets like, propped up to get power. Like, she doesn't

even feel like one of them. Like she genuinely does feel like she's like an entity. She doesn't feel like the rest of them. But she picks up the the water thing right away. And that's like, that should have been like the first trigger like she's there's something to her that the rest of them don't have. So she's like, they're all struggling like the the solid kids are all struggling to breathe like they have to. And she's just living in the wall. And like they actually like were

scary. And she's like, she's still at the bottom of the ocean just kind of connecting to the life down there. Yeah, pretty cool. Yeah, yeah. Is this a swing? It's a swing by James Cameron. Yes. It's a swing. I appreciate. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. And then to Who else we got? So we'll talk about Jacob in theory, because they, they it? I think it's not really a background, but it's a backstop, if that makes sense for them. And they're Yeah, they're a

North Star for their kids. And I think it's all the things that Jake learned he kind of passed on to his kids. I think that's important that Jake's arc. And I think Sam Worthington, I, like I said, I think he's great here. I think it's I really enjoy him. I love the of the jarhead dad mentality that he has that again, I think a lot of like, men with kids are gonna relate to Jake because he's like, he's tough on his kids about with reason, like these kids are living on this planet that's

hostile. Like there's like, as much as they ever feel like this is home. Like there's invaders that can come and like, he turns his sons into sort of generals, essentially, specifically his older son, and I think, what do you that kind of displays is like, how much he's changed, but how much he hasn't changed? Like, you can't teach an old dog new tricks, but you can kind of maybe lead it somewhere.

And I think that's Jake. Yeah. As, as much as the kids are kind of like the heart and soul of this movie, Jake and interior like the fists. Yeah. And the

action of this movie. Because I mean, the third act, which we'll talk about is essentially like a showcase for, for Jake, in the theory, basically, and how formidable they are as protectors, which I think you know, is cool, because it's something that we didn't really get to see until the very end of the first one that we saw it pretty much bookend this movie,

right? Like in the beginning, where Jake is assert, essentially an insurgent basically leading like and he's just a real pain in the ass right to the to the the RDA, there was still present on on Pandora, right? Like he's the worst, right? And that's why and the relationships are really dynamic too because it's different from kid to kid but it's also the same like I mean, obviously LoJack has like the most like, what are you doing you dumb son? Like you're not

making any decisions? Right. But like the best point that was made about that whole thing between us I think is the fact that he that's him like that's truthfully Jake when he was younger, and he I don't think he wants to see like his son end up but that's what made Jake great and I think that's what's gonna make Locke Great. Yeah, and then then you have his older son,

essentially. And we'll talk about him a little bit further, but he's again and it said to him, like, you're the, you're the perfect Son, like you're the, you're the older brother, that's perfect. And that doesn't do anything wrong. And you're and I kind of like what they do with it too, because like, he leads, he follows a lot. Like he doesn't know how to really take charge on certain things. And that Coincidently, you're also the one who doesn't get an arc,

right. And he's like, the tragic hero in that sense is like, his following mentality led him to that and that he couldn't but again, that's like, that's like the that's the border for the family that they needed. Like as a family to come together truthfully. Yeah. And then we got a little a little a little cute little kid. tuk. Yeah, everybody's favorite. Yeah, she's fun. Yeah, she's fun. She also doesn't have much of a no no, she's the kid. She's Yeah, she's she's the kid with the

funny one liners. Yeah, yeah, basically. Yeah. And then we have the other the other kid. The other kid but the same spider. I remember thinks it does this call for a dontoh I think this does call for a dunk dunk dunk human kid. First of all, yes, human kid. He's cool. They do deep dive into the Lord norms back doors back norm. Max Patel's back. So they're back the scientists from the first one that didn't leave brief. Very real brief. Yeah. And I liked that too, that they didn't

keep them in the movie. It was kind of bought like, it's the same thing that transformers just do it like, who cares about the humans just give us the Translate. Same thing. Just give us the Navi. So they're back and they got a kid with them that's running around that really just wants to be like a NaVi kid. It's Tarzan. It's Tarzan. It's just like, so he right down to the, to the to the hair. Right. So curious looking at Grace's avatar. And she's like,

I love my mom. Like, I'm looking like she's just looking at her mom in the tank, obviously. And spiders there and he's looking and he gets real sad because he's he's thinking about parents and kids. And then Carrie looks over and she's like, You're nothing like him. And I said, Wait a minute. Are they going to do the thing? And then lo and behold, guess who they got to? You can do it. Don't they cut to forage because Steven legs course is this spiders. Dead are

crazy. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. By the way, porch is the villain of this. Yeah, again. Yep. Yes. Wonderful. Tell Stephen Lang. No, we're gonna get a new villain. Absolutely not. No, just just go back to that. Well beat that drum as many times as you need because he's, again, wonderful. He choose the scenery, but there's a subtlety in the way he chooses to see like, you can feel like the first one was definitely like a 2009 movie like a 2009 action

movie versus like a 2022. Like, you know, drama essentially verse he's still very cheesy. Yeah, but he's got a little gets what he gets to do he gets to be a dad for a little bit. Yeah. Dad for a little bit. To do he gets to do the Jake cellular. He's like one step behind Jake solely. So like, the next movie, he's gonna have to go into the water to learn. And he's gonna have more kids. He gets to do Yeah, he got to do avatar one. Yeah. So then he's gonna do

avatar to the next one. He's just gonna be one movie behind which I love this man. If it works, I don't care how convoluted it is. That he somehow got backed up into an avatar somehow courts returned somehow somehow courts returned but I'm okay with it. Right? Because he's great. Yeah. Steven leg and everything. He's tremendous. Again, an old villain and a James Cameron movie that's a potent mix is read goosebumps does the thing again he did he did the monologue again that he

did in the first one. And it's great. That scene is really cool, where they come back and almost feels like a video game. cutscene like when they're dropping back into Pandora and they like incinerate the forest people will complain about it. I had to quote the great great words of Sheryl from Remember The Titans are not Cheryl Charles friends from her own signs. I do not care it was great. I want him in all of these for as long as this thing

goes. I want him to be the villain every time I want him to be in it but what's the thing that I think we might agree on that he's they're gonna team up in the next one they got it they have to I would do anything for them to team up that wouldn't be wild. I would do anything for porch and Jake to have to come to come to a truce for a little bit even after he killed his his oldest son. Like oh man I would do anything for that.

I got distracted talking about Steven like basically the the plot of this movie goes Stephen Lang returns and there which is one thing that I don't know how I feel about it yet that their whole mission is just revenge because the big mission is revenge wishes revenge like the big mission like and another world building pieces that you finally found out that Earth is dying like Earth is Earth is near death, and they need a new world and like To the human race said we're

going we're going to tariff. We're not really tariff terraforming, but we're gonna use Pandora. Pandora is gonna be our new our new earth. And we're gonna we're going to transport everybody, but we need you to clear out the Navi and then we're going to transport everybody. He's like, Yeah, can I kill Jake Solly? He asked. General said, I don't know who

Jake Solly is what? Sure. And then he said, Claire, and then he doesn't and then yeah, because again, this was again minor minor issue like, he shows up court shows up in his new avatar body and he's like, I'm here to kill Jake Selia and kill Jake solely only. And there's this general lady who's like I'm in charge here. And you were gonna listen to Livesay corrige and then she's just vanishes and then he's in charge of

everything right? You think one thing I maybe would have liked is like if they added a layer of like discontent with the the new avatars because like they just spent all their lives trying to kill them and then all of them died and are reborn the avatar body like I would have liked if the humans on Pandora that came back with them or like a little bit more distant and didn't love like demo as much I wouldn't

like that. I also would have liked a little bit of conflict between her and him where like, he is essentially hijacking her mission or personal vendetta right and she's just like I don't care about Jake solely like I just need the player to be cleared and like he's like Alright, our interest still aligned because like he's an insurgent leader like if I kill him like a big issue of yours is

gonna be taken care of. And if he is who he says he is like, he's this he's this fabled hero now like if I take him out it's gonna kill their spirit a little bit too but he starts to take it a little too far. Yeah, when he lists the the hunters and he's like he's just waging war and necessarily like to get to Jake. And it feels like someone should have stepped in and been like, Hey, man, dial it back a bit.

Chief. So we get a really, really great again, it's a parallel to one between Stephen Langton kind of goes with Sam Worthington did in the last movie, so they drop in, but guess who they see? While they're there? They see the kids the kids are out because low act just can't just sit still and do

nothing. He's always just on the prowl for trouble and they're at the the old they're at the they're at the death of a boss fight of three of the third act of Avatar one right where we get just the greatest moment and maybe instead of a history of course, finding his car gets his skeleton. Yep. And he picks up his own his own human skull. Yeah, because he has the other guy from the from one asks him like do you want to you want to save the remains and he just crushes the school? He's just

why? Because he Okay, so he gets the memories of corage but he's not corage But he is course he gets it's not because it's not like other movies and TV shows where you just get the memories but you're a different person like its core like he gets everything from him like his memories his like his wants his desires it's not his death but that is that he doesn't Yeah, he didn't know up until he looked at the footage from and then he saw He saw the end of Avatar one fresh person right person view?

Yeah, for the for the kids that didn't see Avatar in 2009. He just did what you guys did a couple months ago. Yep. He got PTSD because the teary rattled him with arrows she's an issue. She's built differently. And then yeah, he crushes his skull and he like that's a really great sequence in the first act like I think that's the end of the first act like it's really that's just a really one build on sequence just the this idea of the eclipse I think is pretty

cool. Like the sun setting on that on the on the world I think is a really good really, really cool visual detail but it's a really cool visual storytelling detail. I think that's it's really interesting able to briefly detain the kids, right but the first time you learn quickly not to mess with Jacob theory. What you don't let Jake in the Tyrian space to turn into Derrick Henry when they're in space. He's got an axe. He takes the x now. Yeah, he's got a he's got a gun. He's got he's got an

axe. Yep, he's got a son that listens on his son that doesn't listen. Let's hear he has a bow and arrow that she is absolutely lethal with lethal. Oh my gosh, she just takes out anybody that she avatar human doesn't matter if you're the way of that era. You're dead. It's over. Yeah, yeah. So they kind of clear out the forest but they lose the kids. They probably get the kids back. Great. Good job. Yeah. And we'll court gets extracted essentially, but they take Spyder dang it. They got the

human one. Yeah. He bonds Yeah, he bonds with course. Yeah. gunging like, you know, I think he bonded so quickly is because he wants to be an avatar that he wants to be an AVI so bad. That's why I think like if it was normal Stephen Lang course you probably wouldn't have been he probably would have been I don't care about you. But I think it's the fact that he was looking at NaVi corage. And like, this proclamation that um, your dad and this promise of what could be and he liked

knowing things. Yeah, like he had like the fact that course didn't know how to operate as a NaVi Yeah, I think it puts it's what he had to go through. I think he likes teaching it to the to other people if even if they're not great, no. Right. Um, we are he loves the game. Very briefly. We do. So we a lot of this. Because this is what stood out to me a lot of this movie is at an elevated frame rate.

Um, these action sequences are insane with this elevated framerate because it, you know, it speeds up the frame rate, and then we dial back down to slow motion, I thought it looked really good, it was cool, once you adjust to it, because the first half, it might be a little, it might be a little a little bit of a task, especially in the 3d to kind of get used to it. But after you settle into again, I just think it's the whole invoking of like, a National Geographic, it just

makes it feel more real. Once you do that, I think that's probably what they were testing with it a little bit. And I think in the second half, I think, in the middle of the movie, that's where it worked the most. Because again, that slog quote, unquote, that you could cut from the middle. Like, that's work, that's human building. Like that's the stuff that like, you're gonna complain later that the humans didn't

matter. And then you give us that and then you're gonna complain that the movies too long. Yeah. And that's essentially where we go, because after they get the kids back, Jake is like, we're out. Yeah, we're moving. Yeah. Because that's the best way to protect the future ice cubes. Are we there yet? We're gonna leave the people to protect the people. We're leaving the setting of Avatar one behind. And we're moving on to the second year because James Cameron just had to name this the way of the

water. Yeah, so we're doing the water, the water ones this time. And that's where they ended up. They go to the Water Tribe, essentially. And he's just like, hello, you remember me, Jake Solly. From avatar one. I would like to live with your community. And he runs into his little his old war buddy from from from, from the first one. He's like, Yeah, we're friends. And then he likes the who's the war, buddy? It's Cliff Curtis. Cliff Curtis? He's who's Cliff

Curtis? His wife. Yeah. If you think I'm tough, you should see my wife that his wife was Kate Winslet. Yeah. Tough is Yeah, tough is the best way to describe she's bad for like, he's like an hour, like two hours of film. I'm fine if you crash at my place, but I gotta run it by my wife. Right? Exactly. And she's just like, Absolutely not looking at them. Like they're like they're stupid tails. And then the theory is like, you must not know your husband this theory, Karen

doubt. She said, You remember when my when my son when my husband looked down? Because he said the baddest thing in the sky didn't think to look up. Yeah, that was my house. Everybody jumped on the back of that red bird. Yeah, it was awesome. Brad came on became a legend. No. And then Kate Winslet said, I didn't see Avatar one because I was at the water. I wasn't there. I wasn't there, actually. But eventually they do acquiesce. And they're like, alright, well, you got to keep

up. Yeah, but it's your kids. Marty. You got to worry about your kids. So the kids aren't getting along force their their beef in big time. The oldest the two sons versus the two sons basically. But while all this crap is going on, just curious. Just immediately, like, oh, man, this is why touques Good. That's why you need your little kid character because like, it's just the little one liner. She's just like, I want to go home like I want to go home to now.

I'm sad. But it's curious. Just getting it like she's in the water. Like she's just connecting to it easily. And then like, stop being a freak. And then bollocks. Like, you see my pinky finger. But the funny thing is face to face, right slap, man he should have slapped and that would have been even I would love to do this often. So

he punches them. Oh, yeah. So they box for a little bit and then jarhead and then there's a great moment with jarhead Jake because it's not only is it just father Jake Solly it's still jarhead Jake Solly. So Jake looks at his older son. He's just like, man, how's the how do the other kids look? And they're like, he's like worse What's worse than he looks at me he's like, he gives like the dad like when you get into a fight and like your mom's pistol your dad's like good. Like that's

exactly what it was. And then the the water kids take take low walk out on a little a little trip. Right. We'll show him what for this will be funny. Funny Prank. Kill him. Right. Yeah. Frenchie pranks. You're good. You're dead. He runs into a shark type creature. Pandora shark Pandora shark. And then he's rescued by a Pandora whale. Yeah. And he had Pandora. Well, yeah, cool. These whales are super intelligent. And he just boy are they. So he prefers the whale. And when the whale are boys now

he gets back. Yeah. And they're like, why did you befriend that whale? That's the worst. Well, yeah, that's the robe whale that likes to kill. And he's just like, I don't think this is true. This doesn't seem right. This is not my well. Yeah, that might not my well that I just met. Meanwhile, back at the ranch horses trying to get into his he comes to a realization he needs to he's just do it again. He's just reliving agriaffaires doing avatar ones like I need to

be enveloped in this world. So he goes to the cliff goes to the holly Louis mountains. He's just like, I'm gonna get one of these. These sky birds. These are pretty cool. Get one for myself. And he gets one he fights it. Oh, he boxes. He's just throwing punches and punches it That's funny. It's great, man. He does even laying in this movie. I think he died. But he doesn't. He's like I did it down then. Yeah, I'm in. I'm the best. Yeah. And he's like,

who's next? Turns out none of them because none of them tame them. Other than him. Well, the scene cuts that's mourn for this one.

was three hours long yeah we go back lock brings his best pal back he's just like they're like no no October he you can't do this yeah what else happens there beef in there the kids are still bad the kids are still be fun but he gets back and he's like I'm sorry I shouldn't have done it as my fault and then the river kids like why did you stick up for me and he's like

shut up shut up man. I know what it's like to be a to be a screw up my whole life and then meanwhile curious is she has that connection with the Spirit Tree been it has some unforeseen consequences. So yeah, she goes in and she sees she sees security Weaver she does that we talked about that. And then she she ceases she goes into a seizure. And they have to bag Norm Yeah, here norm this was a stepping back. I felt 2009 Again, it's it's a very goofy way to incite the conflict.

Sure, like norm shows up to try to help her but he can't. So Kate Winslow steps in and she's like I got this with my Pandora. Not me magic medicine. And then the the military's like we got a row Helicarrier somewhere around these islands. That must be where they are. Man norm you suck. Boo Boo Boo, you know? So he tells Jake essentially, like if she ever does this again. She's gonna have another seizure and she'll died and then nothing ever comes to that no one she

does it again. But then she gets all powerful from it. The reverse of a seizure? Yeah, some would say I'm the the antithesis yeah and then of course basically it turns into ice.

boy does he just turns into border patrol or turns into like, he's he he links up with these whale hunters essentially he's well this so this is like the message of the movie like the the real world messengers that James Cameron tried to do in one with the forest and now he's trying to do with to at the oceans and he uses the music that he used when the forest was destroyed and like it's a brutal you know why it's so brutal because how long they prolong it they take you through every

single last step of why like horrify how they like kill kill these like armored whales essentially. It's horrifying. It is horrifying. Like there's so many steps into this like, like harpoons through the sonic cannons to make them death. Death and then like, they separate them like it's insane. Like how they do it. And then you find out that they do this to just get like anti aging cream from the brain of these whales and then they don't even care about the bodies. They just

dispose of them. Yeah, and that's it. And like I said, they played the same music that they did from one quarter was like, that's great. He's like I dumped that oil in the middle of the ocean. Of course I don't care about your anti aging. I'm an avatar now I don't care about your Yeah, cuz Jake, Sally has a conscience and he's gonna man they really did bring back the unobtainium but just for the

Kardashians. That's crazy. But Moloch bonds with his rogue whale, and he finds out what happened and basically what happened is this whale tried to mount up resistance to the to the humans and he inadvertently got a bunch of whales and seeing people killed in the process and that's why he's the outcast because it didn't kill anybody himself. But he got people killed and even if they're under attack, they should not attack right basically, they're a passive passive this creatures

right? And that whales like screw that noise. Yeah, I'm pulling up it's on site. And yeah, then you know, we basically launch the kids get taken again because it seems like I can't believe this because law enforcement taking every single photo walks well gets tagged with the hunting beacon and it's the third X Yeah, so all the kids rush out so to free this well from its from its tracking and they're like we got them the Army's like we got him here we

go. I felt like that felt like a video game like moments where it was like what Spider Man gets the suit is when Jake and in theory were like gearing up to go get the kids I'm like lo behold the like the the soul that decides to deserve all tied the soul that decides to take Jake Terry's kids because it's Quaritch it is that guy. So he's basically like, you know why I'm here. Jake, Sally, it's for you. You come to me, I kill you. I let your kids go. And he's like,

sounds great. Thanks. I'm on the way I'm on the way BRB then that well had other plans Yeah, the well turned into and the LeBron James is crazy that well said Fool me once but your heart put in shame on me. Fool me twice. I'm gonna do a belly flop on this carrier and split it in half almost got one of the best audience reactions I've heard in a while. And then the the hunters the Australian Hunter fires a harpoon at it. He blocks it was his head and he's like,

ah, boobie looking for this. And then he then he's just, well action sequence. Well, quite cuando if you a was awesome gets his own action sequence against a good little character arc and payback for the whale. Yeah, yep, that was cool. Very cool.

Sorry, goes he kills the he kills anti Steve Irwin reverse some would say on the reverse kills him and then it's the it's also has great karmic timing because he got his arm has been ripped off by the hunters so he somehow knew to rip the hunters oh that's what the that's what the marine biologist was talking about he said like they're extreme like they're way smarter than we are extremely intelligent is an

understatement, right? Yeah, that will got a rip cord wrapped around that guy's arm and then cut his arm off. This movie was in way more broader than I ever thought of this movie. This movie got super like the Terry was sniping people in the head. And they were showing it I was like, wow, this guy got his arm ripped off like he was. And they're blue. It's fun. Oh, sorry. My bad as long as they're blue. Getting the otter about this.

Yeah, so yeah, third act, and then it kicks in the hyperdrive, and it turns into a full third act. action movie, you know what it turns into Titanic but with an action sequence is exactly what this turns into. And you know what? I'm okay with it. What's your Titanic theory? That should have had an action sequence and it was Billy Zane and Leo DiCaprio. And that's what we got. Yeah, basically, we do this get Billy Zane is the villain of the third one. Oh, shoot.

Me awesome. Steven Langan same way Worthington teaming up against Villa Zane Davi did incredible. And then he's gonna take the kids again. And then Billy Zane is gonna say the line again. I have a child. So this happens quite a bit in this third X work quarters like I got to Jake's le surrender and Jake's always like I'm gonna and then he doesn't. So we do that a

few times. Before it all comes to a head essentially so although all the people are in place the kids launched separate rescue missions for for different people. So who goes low? The two brothers low walk and his older brother go to save time. Go to save spider. Yep, yeah, why? Cuz? Because no man gets left behind. Yeah, no child gets left behind. The great words of George Bush show love the mind. In the process, the older brother is killed man. That's like an audible sadness

slept over there. Like you talked about engagement like that was like Tet Deaf character didn't have an arc. Well, it's because of how the other characters reflected how their family came together because like, it's all the it's all the choices that James Cameron makes in that moment. Like all the character choices like Jake immediately is just like, he treats it like a soldier like he doesn't he doesn't have time to grieve like yeah, somebody's trying to kill the rest of his

family. Like he's like He looked like the teary and this is why so he's alzado is like incredible. Like another big big time shriek it's hurt it's when she's in her most savage moments is when she's like the most vulnerable I think she's incredible and like spiders

afraid of her? Yeah, we'll talk about that in a second but yeah, just that sequence is just gut wrenching when when his oldest son dies like he says the line and I'm just like he says like I want to go home and Jake says we're going home man like we're we're going home buddy and then he it's when he like takes his last breath like the whole audience is like oh my god like it's they really just killed

this kid. And that was it and then like that's what I like immediately that's like it was like the second half of Top Guns second or third act like when they get the when they got the the F 14 back that was like that same thing like this is the second half of the second was that it was he dies and then corrige comes over the column. Oh my da he's just like, I know you can hear me No, you can hear me. I know you can hear me Corporal man he's like you'd come to me right now you won't have to lose

another kid. I was like Jesus so the Tyrian courts are in theory and Jake gear up their wrecking shop just absolutely anybody on that ships dying like if you if you're a human or an avatar just just like ships also sinking by the way well, this is Titanic so the ship is sinking? Because you need to add a clock onto this third act so the chips going they're just going crazy. They're killing everybody two girls getting kidnapped together

again. It looks like I can't believe I got kidnapped again it mean either to that sucks. Gotta get out of there kid. She's always in like the path of danger. Like yeah, get her out of there. Yeah, this is just a phenomenal the sun setting like the sunset seat like on top of this too. And then it like transmissions on the night. And it's just doing just the most obscene things to these soldiers. And these soldiers are just getting obliterated. Incredible it's awesome. It's

insane. So yeah, so then it's he's got he's got the he's got his daughter, Kyra and then of course takes care and then the tears Yeah.

In a turn yeah because a spider I think this is spider starting to sense a little bit of like who he is like I'm still a human because like and he is noticeably shaken whenever he sees savage deteriorate because they mentioned in the very beginning the move that she doesn't like him like from jump so he's very visibly shaken whenever he sees her enter that like savage killer mode and she got there time so go a little bit in this so yes without hesitation grabs him yep and

he's just like a son kid for a kid essentially. And coaches like you think I care about him like we're not even blood tears like oh, yeah, watch this string constant across and he's just like, oh, no, she's like, next time it's gonna be his throat essentially. Yep. And then fortune a boo it because he says like, I don't care about this kid. I'm not core. It's like I don't care. The most uncor It's like move you surrender. He surrendered? He folds Yeah, he does. It's that's it. The day

saves Yeah. Or so you think or so you think and courts can't help himself. He hits him with the Marty McFly chicken from Griffeys there from Biff. He says Listen, like you're just gonna let me go you know I'm not gonna stop man. I'm gonna jump the gun when we're talking about our favorites but line from this movie. Sam Worthington turns around and says he he goes like Alright, you're just gonna You

gotta leave. Are we gonna he said are we gonna do we're gonna do this like we're gonna and then change just turn there's just nothing and Jake just turns around he's like, let's get it done and just I'm in it just hand to hand combat sequence between the two of them. Yep. sanity and Sue's it's crazy. Yeah, man. The way I'm telling you Sam where it's it's good to hear. Yeah, it's very good.

There's a big prolonged fight the boats sinking they all have for whatever reasons each character gets dragged back into the ship as initially. And you think it's curtains for everybody? And then Kira. props up basically with her. Her magic. Yep. For NaVi her her Pandora present her connection

to a wise straw. He sends a bunch of water she has so many Pandora midichlorians it's off the charts she sends a bunch of water fireflies through the water to guide everyone out basically and then pays off the whole thought process of the way of the water pays off between LoJack and Jake Jake's severely injured so he doesn't think he can hold his breath enough to get out from under the boat and get off to the circulates course for dead and then lock rod repeats the speech that that one of the

other tribes daughter gives to him that they have a love they have a love story out here too but he repeats the same thing to him like the way the water it's it's like it's the idea of life and death all life starts with water and it ends with water. Yeah. So he gives that speech to Jake Jake kind of gets himself together and then the whale shows up whale shows up to help them out last second get some above it's like it's like in a good video game when it's like that last second before you lose

your breath. Yeah, so they do that on their up to the surface. Meanwhile, spiders down there and spider is also trying to look for Jake but who does he find? He finds Quaritch and you think he's just gonna leave him because you're you suck dead. You stuck down the dead, you snide foot tall Dan. had a stroke have to become the most hated character of 2020 to save scorch? Because, again,

Koch did save his life. So it's either a life or life but I think it's more than it's his dead like, it's whatever way you want to slice it. That's his father. So he saves his father. He doesn't agree with anything. He doesn't go with him because courts offers him to go with him. But he says I'm not I'm not going with you like or spiders is a knockout or hisses. Adam basically dives back into the water. But yeah, he said he saves scorch for more sequels. The courts is like, come with

me, son. He's like, no, yeah. And the court says who rotten leaves. He doesn't say who robbed but it's funny. If you think about it. I'll be back. I'll be back. I'll be back in the next one. So Carrie turns into turns a day. She's Aois. Basically yeah, she's she's the living embodiment of Saturday the sun.

Yep, they be Oh, man, man, what a sequence what a sequence they bury the sun and then to to already have me OSHA erect and then do and then go into the Black Panther did one thing and then this movie did it again. Guys got to stop. And then you go into the last part of the movie. And they go into the into the C tree and they connect to it. And then it's a vision of him teaching his oldest son had a had a shoot and then it cuts between, like a young version of him and an old version of him.

And I'm like, and he's like, Dad, why are you crying? And I'm like, man, what do you do with James Everett? Just relax for a bit, man. Yeah. And then, you know, the movie ends on a really interesting note where Jake's like, I realized, I realized now what I must do, and it's tap back into the Warrior Within essentially like from the jarhead clan. Yeah, he went to like his reluctant recluse

journey in this one. And now he's come out the other side of it, realizing that he'll never be safe a lot a lot. Have you know what that gave me the same energy as gave me the same energy like in furniture theory maybe more but the same energy as when renewer lost her son in the house of the dragon that that one kills me to the end of the day. Yeah, there's nothing there's just heard turning the camera with that

turn around. That's basically what happens when Jake is is his eyes are closed, they do a close up and then his eyes kind of tick for one. I hope they end every movie like that. That's the thing. That's the standard and like his eyes open and there's like this menace about him that like he's ready. Yeah, yeah, he's ready for all that work. Do you think this franchise is gonna go to Earth? Oh, they're gonna they're gonna reverse it. I don't think so.

They're gonna because I just don't think you can make earth look as visually interesting to talk about After Earth as a movie. Just take the visuals from afterwards. Just do it. See? No, but what about that trailer for 65 that we got with that driver? I have no idea what that movie it's like Roland Emmerich did After Earth. It's a drastic Park. It's crazy. Find that trailer when you can? Because it's madness. It's the

past. What's the future? Fast? It's always it always as Finn barber No, man, but that yeah, that's avatar to weigh the water. It was great. Yeah, yeah,

I just it again. It just gives me this hope for for cinema for movies. Whether it be these blue aliens or whether it be Martin Scorsese piece. I think there's room for everything. And it just gave me that feeling man that feeling that that I love when you leave a theater that there's it was a story that you were you were lost for for two to three hours you were lost and you were somewhere else. But you could also you can also you're also ever so present. You can connect

all these things. That's the beauty of it. Let's give out some awards award time. I'm in the wrong Oh no. I added this because they Endor I saw a favorite episode and I was very confused. What is your favorite? What's your favorite? What's your favorite performance in this movie? It's Stephen Lang. never sought to be seeming Stephen Lang from the first one.

He's just, he's great. It's the only it's one of the only times where I'm totally okay with them recycling a villain and I must try a mustache twirling villain at that. It always gets old But in his case, it just doesn't get old. Because of his voice. It's yeah, it's the voice of Roboto is Texas New Orleans the way he calls them. Corporal. Yeah. The way he did the same speech from the first one. He's we are not in Kansas anymore. Like I know. I know Stephen Lang. But

he it's funny. He's because he's looking. He's looking out the window again. But he's in his avatar body. I'm like, This is awesome. So yeah, I don't care. It's yeah. Man, I think I'm not gonna again, it's one of those things. I'm not going to overthink it. I think it's I think it's Jake I think nope, no. Fu norm. I think it's I think it's Sam Worthington. i The the idea of what he he keeps saying this thing through the through his

monologue. He keeps talking about the protector like it's such this it's this multi faceted thing where it's not just like it's the it's not just the grand scope of like he's this protector like he's this like storybook protector now but like it's just the sinfulness of like anytime like to just runs up to him and she screams dad like that's it like that's the thing Yeah, but he he also acclimates to a very well I think Sam worthy, it's the subtlety that he brings this

time that again, I don't think it was anybody's fault on the first one. I just think it's a product of 2009 on the first one, which versus like I think the first one was truly just here's this visual spectacle with a little bit of stuff right

in there. Where as this one it was like hey, we're gonna give you an even more visual spectacle than the first one but we're also going to we're going to do some actual storytelling in this one actual character work and yeah, I think it's I think his performed I think Sam Worthington is great in this I might have to give you another favorite line I'll give you another one because I had to jump the gun on the last one but the the one I'm going to give you after once we get there is

much more emotional than the than the other one so man I don't want that to deliver one go ahead. Favorite shot stuff. Oh, it's easily when when lo Aachen and his buddy well are in the are in the water, like that sequence and then just the end silhouette shot I think is phenomenal. Like it encompasses like the idea of the way of the water I think, both narratively

and visually. For me, it was one of the moments like one of the shots that like literally made me react like in the moment it's when Jake is doing a little like net kind of work that fishing in the in the in the sea village and the sunset just envelops it Yeah, that's great. Man, like that's one of the shots in that movie where I've actually reacted to it. Yeah, I felt you react to it, too. I was taken aback Yeah, like that shot. I was like, Yeah, we were we were like wow, like because this is

done that was actually done. I mean, the whole movie is gorgeous. But I mean that shot to make, like almost like unconsciously like yeah, react in that way. Like, literally it really took me aback. So that's one that's the one that I mentioned earlier that was just burned in my brain, man. Sure. What's your favorite musical moment? Um, man, I don't know if my favorite musical moment, but it's the one that stands out to me. And it's the will the whale hunting the whale hunting scene.

It's so haunting. It's just, it's horrifying. And the music like you said, they reuse series's the score from the from the forest moment in the first one when the when the tree falls. And it's just the same message just delivered in an even more visceral way than the first movie because I mean, the first movie like yeah, like the destruction of the forest and their homes. It's heartbreaking, but it's not visceral. Right? Whereas this is visceral. This is a drawn out probably, almost

10 minutes. They do they do everything. It's heart wrenching, and the music is just like, you feel just heartbroken for this for this creature. And like, I know, that's the point. And you know, as we say so often about music, like how it accentuates scenes and accentuates how you're supposed to feel about them. Be it joy, be it sadness via anger. That moment is is again one of those things that like I'm not I'm not wanting to forget anytime soon, I'm going to have to go with

Jake's oldest son's death. I think they they even they I think they did do some of this the same music, but just in the same in a different in a different setting. And I think it's just the catapult into the second half of the first act. And it was just the idea of all the family being together and like what you need, what I know what I must now do, like they it's just understanding the gravitas of the situation and like being subtle and then kind of rising to the occasion as a

score is super important. So man, it was just that scene is just so it's so tough. Like what he takes his last breath like that was one of the toughest scenes I've had to watch this year. So man, man, um, what about your favorite world building or Lord moment? Oh, he's easily when Carrie goes into the vision and she sees Sigourney Weaver because I think it's an Anakin Skywalker situation where I think Curie was born out of a wah. I think

that's how it works. Like, I think that's why the World Tree rejected. I don't think the World Tree rejected grace. I think it gave grace as a child. I think that's exactly what happened. It feels like that's the direction it's heading. And it's definitely an unexpected Well, I didn't know you said this movie wasn't gonna have any twists and turns. It definitely

did. It definitely did. I'm Bible to agree with you. Just I guess in a different kind of moment, where like, the moment where she does the thing, where she like, she's just bending she traps that guy and like sea coral, or whatever that is. And she just like she physically does it like, and she knows she can do it. Like that was very cool. And very unexpected. Again, people might not feel it's particularly like, earned or like, where did this come from? In this weird universe,

but I'm all in. I'm immersed. Yeah, I'm along for the ride at this point. So that's, that's mine. What's your favorite action sequence from this movie? It's the final, the final confrontation between corrigin Jake, just like that prolonged kind of fistfight that they have that starts with that very memorable one. Get it done. It's very John Bercow said, it's, it's great. And you feel the emotion behind it. Like you feel like these are two mortal

enemies, right? At this point that like it felt like it kind of took a second in the first one to get them to that personal kind of hatred. And then this one, like it's deeply personal at this point. And this MF er just won't die. He won't go away. He's the he's literally the Terminator like he told me you can't kill him. And yeah, that was great. I'm probably gonna reverse in go the first

action sequence between them. I think it's just the setting of which was presented I think the not only the setting of like, where the story is, I think it's physically where that story took place. Like it's something poetic about them being in essentially the grave of the original corage it's pretty it's pretty interesting and just the way to Tyrion Jake are moving there. You feel how in sync they are as parents too. I love that and it's lovely. Love that

throughout the whole movie. Like whenever they got into it together like there was no there's literally no spoken communication. You know what I also love you know how Neytiri thought of him is like such this idiot like I think the theory now respects has been militaristic mind because I think now she understands like He not only understands our ways now he has this other advantage of being like a military mind on top of this. Yeah. So that that

worked really well. I think it was a good introduction to set the baseline for what this action is going to feel like in this movie too, which feels very different than the first one feels a lot like you say it feels a lot more personal than the first movie like the hand to hand especially feels way more personal. Yeah, it's like an extension of the third act fight from the first one. Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's it's really, really good. But also got your turn my turn who talks for us? I

talk first you talk. You talk first. I don't know if you did, but you can now I guess we can go to the favorite line. Okay, you guys. I want you to go. Man, i i It's weird that I'm going back to is that one court says gives me goosebumps. He doesn't say that. But he does it the first part he says it's a potent mix. He brought it back. I retro actively really like the this family is our fortress line. Because it's like it's

virtually a trailer moment. Like when you're watching in the trailer and then you're watching the movie. I'm like, I'm emotional right now. Yeah, this is our home. This is our family. This is our fortress. This is where we make our stand. Like goddamn like, I'm in like, I'm in on Jake. As a parent at that point. Like Hector. Yeah. Protector. Like, it's such it's it's a simple line, but it's powerful. Right? You know what I mean? Sure. I got a line and it's three words and it's ICU.

That's it and it's when Sheikh finally tells it to lo Aki says ICU like once you watch the movie, you'll really understand like, How will a blockbuster felt like he probably must have felt like his father didn't even love him? Like he that's probably even after the oldest son dies he says well, you've done enough you've done enough like he thinks like he blamed it essentially on him too. And it's it's heartbreaking he's a kid

still like he's a kid. Like even if the mistakes on times are his own like he's making a whole bunch of mistakes. But man when when Jake finally because luck doubles down on on, you know, his spirit will and he comes back and it works and he tells him like and he also doubles down on his irrationality. Like his decision to jump back into the fray is a rational like it is sure it's not really with thought lid, but the only thing he's thinking of that point is

like I just lost my brother. I'm not going to lose my parents or my sisters. You know, I'm going to jump back into battle right? Right and it's that subtle ice like I said, Sam Worthington is great here and I think that just kind of culminates into how great he was in this movie. Yeah, and then what else we got? Do we have do we do favorite moment yet? No, we have it Yeah, favorite moment there's so many great moments to be had. This is such a tough

one. Oh man. I guess it's the I guess it's the by favorite moment is probably that Jake in the chicken court fight you know, I'll take that back. My favorite moment in this movie is when is when Moloch is explaining the way the water to Jake I think that's my favorite moment. It's it's a payoff and payoffs, the title a payoff, it pays off, where they are the setting of the movie, the premise of the movie, it pays everything off, it pays off the relationships in this movie, it's everything.

I think I'm gonna go with the Jake connecting to the Spirit Tree and reliving all my fishing excursion with his son, his deceased son and they do that the flip flopping back and forth from when he's a young kid to the age he was when he died when the teary also walks out and home and they're kind of having like a shared experience like through the Spirit treaty like yeah, that's, it's again, like the first movie was very builds upon the visuals, but the spectacle and the character work

was kind of secondary. But this they really it feels like anyway, they paid a lot of attention to the character work in this and really wanted you to feel things for these characters in a way that you might not have in the first one and it pays off again, like I said, the audience reacted a lot to things that happened in the third act and that scene is again it's just one of those things like the battle was one but like a parent

lost a son. Yep. You know, at the end of the day like and you know, it's always people always are reluctant to want to hear like oh, they're in a better place you know, which is essentially what happens here like when they bury him like they're like he's with a one Allah Hey, what takes you back basically and disperses your energy throughout the planet? But man, you know, tend to Terry cells that she she doesn't I don't think she does especially in motion doesn't accept that at

all. She doesn't accept that for one bit. That's that's a great one. And what this always ends on is your favorite character. No, I'm not saying porch. Even though I easily could have because he deserves it. Um, Man, I think I'm gonna say Jake, which I don't think I think I said an interior the last time for Avatar one. But no man I really liked the character he evolves into this

movie. Like I said, he goes from this insurgent to this reluctant warrior where you kind of like just wants to take care of his family and then he's dragged back in for one last fight. And now by the time we get to the end, he's he's all in on the fight. Yeah, so I'm gonna go with Jake Yeah. My My favorite part about Jake is that he's a dad. It's this book. It's the it's the most simple thing about him, but it's the most character defining that he's a dad. It's like, it's like the dad Trove.

dunrite Yeah, when like, get a franchise when somebody gets a kid and like, some franchise don't don't know how to handle it, like this franchise and James Cameron, I immediately knew how to handle it and make it one of the most important things about this movie. I'm going to say, go to the person that makes you a father and that's your son. And that's Slovak. I think he like it. He's got He's got big time, main character energy in this but well deserving. He's rebellious.

But he's rebellious with good cause. He he's interesting. He's dynamic. He He's rash. But he's, he's a kid learning. He's a kid putting his foot down. And I think it's this idea that Jake, it's Jake, Sally coming back to life. Yeah, yeah, I totally Does, does great choice. Like I get oh, he's the character that we probably spend the most time with. I love that he fails. I love it. I love that he fails so much, too, because that's what it does is once he succeeds, it

makes it so much sweeter. Yep, totally agree. Final thoughts, go see this in the biggest, biggest theater that you can put the 3d glasses on maybe if you're okay with that, I will, I will tell you just from our experience, there were people in

the theater. So all those all those people chirping in your ear that nobody cares about avatar, somebody cares about avatar, and that's what's gonna lead it to 500 million in a weekend like people care about this franchise, whether you want to say it and it was just like the diversity of the Tater. That's the first thing I pointed out. There's a lot of different

looking people. It's a testament to what What the What a story like this is it's it's the simplicity of some of the some of the themes, like the ideas of fathers and sons, like every most most people, if not everybody can relate to that. It's it's the idea for courts of revenge, most of a lot of people

can relate. There's simple themes in this movie, but if Top Gun has taught me anything, and even like I said, everything everywhere, all at once, even how grand and scale and how you shoot the movie, how crazy can get it's the Simplicity's in your characters in the things that make you feel once those things are very simple, but you know, resonant. That's what makes a great movie. And I mean, obviously, to point out the obvious, all that character work and all that storytelling is

great. And obviously, that's the stuff that we love is what drives the story. But when it's paired with just unmatched visuals, unmatched, I like quite literally like, this is the bar. And, you know, just like the first one was the bar that I don't think a lot of things around that time or past clips, and I don't see how anything can can match this door anytime soon. Right? You know, it's, it's, it's totally immersive. It's a technical marvel, like, you're never once taken out of

it. Despite the fact that I feel very purposefully, there is a human character interacting with the Navi characters and in the environment at all times. And it's not distracted. No, no, not for a second or the alien. This time. They're the out of place character. Not for one single second, does it? Is there any distracting CGI or technique or anything? This whole movie is constructed visually and aesthetically flawlessly.

Like that's, you know, and, you know, the first one was a high bar to clear but like James Cameron said, you know, the reason this one took so long is because the technology that I wanted to use didn't exist yet. Kate Winslet couldn't hold her breath for a minute that that was true. That's and, man, I think it was worth the wait. I think it was worth a way to. That's ultimately what it comes down to. Like, this was one of my most anticipated movies of my

life. Like I said, coming out of the first one feeling a thing I've never felt walking out of the theater before wondering if I was going to feel that again. And then I did. I did. I did. I felt it again. I got up and just was in all I was in awe of what I just seen. That's the ultimate theater experience. Yep. In my mind is when you can walk out of a thing going I can't believe that was a real thing that I just watched.

So yeah, we'll see. We'll be monitoring closely with the next few weeks and possibly months hold for this movie. I'm definitely planning on seeing and again, me too at some point. So yeah, man, just